The Most Profound Moment in Movie History?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 มิ.ย. 2023
- Special thanks to Indi, once again, for helping make this video possible.
This week I explain one of my boldest claims to date, the most profound moment in the history of cinema.
Unlike video games which have been around for less than half a century, movies and literature have challenged human thought for exponentially longer. This is why I have hesitated to make this claim in the past... until now. I have decided to analyze a movie that just may have the most profound and compelling moment in cinematic history.
Original Moment (no commentary): • "The World Is a Busine...
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Max I don’t blame you and please don’t take this comment in a bad way, but you not showing the most profound scene fully due to demonetization is extremely ironic.
Hahaha
The main stab of demonetization is the video becomes invisible, shadow-banned if you will, and that's way worse than not getting money from it.
War never changes
@@swmtothemoon6660 it can,the main idea/ideas stuff dont change.
Do people even care about stopping the idea of wars?/coflict/fighting/social war aka/passive aggresiveness?
For me, there is another ironic thing about this movie. At the mention of suicide attempt on-air, I had to check if I got reference right. From wiki:
"Network came only two years after the first on-screen suicide in television history, of television news reporter Christine Chubbuck in Sarasota, Florida. The anchorwoman was suffering from depression and loneliness, was often emotionally distant from her co-workers, and shot herself on camera as stunned viewers watched on July 15, 1974. Chayefsky used the idea of a live death as his film's terminating focal point, to say later in an interview, "Television will do anything for a rating... anything!" However, Dave Itzkoff's book (Mad as Hell: The Making of Network and the Fateful Vision of the Angriest Man in Movies) allows that whether Chayefsky was inspired by the Chubbuck case remains unclear, that Chayefsky's screenplay notes on the week of the live death have nothing about the incident in them, and grants it is an eerie parallel. It was to be months later that actual direct reference was made, Chayefsky writing for Beale to bray that he "will blow my brains out right on the air ... like that girl in Florida", which met with a delete. Sidney Lumet made the categorical statement that the character of Howard Beale was never based on any real-life person."
As a wise man said "A person is smart, people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
Was just about to quote that myself haha
Another wise man said: the IQ of a mob is the IQ of its most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters- Terry Pratchett.
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I'm 21 actually. My parents just showed me MIB after I asked.
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Yeah! Though the 3rd movie definitely felt rushed.
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It's nothing good, avoid it if you can.
What a performance. You can't take your eyes off him.
_Our job is to report the news, not fabricate it. That's the Government's job._
-Dascomb, V for Vendetta
Ah yes, the terrible adaptation that defecates on a masterfully writen visual novel.
So deep, we live in a society
now it's both.
@@themadcat5288 insert "get a load of this society" meme
@@themadcat5288This down plays actual issues with society.
There's one salient piece of information that undermines this thesis (albeit unintentionally, so don't feel bad).
Before Jensen and Beale sit down in the conference room, he mentions that he used to be a salesman and was rumored to be able to "sell anything" to anyone. That preface changes the entire character of the Profound Moment. Jensen's entire monologue has the quality of a religious sermon, which he even refers to as "an evangel" he has chosen Beale to preach.
He starts out with scathing bombast, and then a flat, weary heart-to-heart "admission", followed by a quiet, escalating optimism into a hopeful conclusion. Combined with Jensen's tiny backstory, we see what Jensen is doing: he is "selling" Beale on his "truth" by using the same methods of influence that Beale is using, albeit more intently: Jensen probably has decades of experience exploiting the religiosity of his rural customers to convince them to buy what he's selling.
The point is, just like his underlings, *Jensen doesn't actually believe in what he's preaching:* he's simply manipulating Beale to believe in it. Jensen's only real interest is in making more money and consolidating corporate control of the media, and the world beyond. His worldview's "ecumenical holding company" is a Privatized Corporatocracy, which is a long-term goal of Free-Market ideology, and the Neoliberal agenda of the Reagan Administration only 4 years later is the manifestation of it. But as we've seen with our own eyes--and probably speculated at the time--Jensen's proposal hasn't done what he proposed, only exacerbates the opposite, but the morality of that result is irrelevant because it was never the goal: only consolidation.
I've never played _Metal Gear Solid 2,_ but my guess is that the villain has some sincere conviction in his position; Jensen does not. Like everything else the executive committee does in NETWORK, it's another cynical ploy to manipulate consumers into ignorantly enriching them. It's atavism, not activism.
WHY SHOULDN'T HE FEEL BAD? HE PRESENTS HIMSELF AS BETTER THAN YOU, AND HE FAILED (AS USUAL).
@@MONEYMUFFINS999 Because I don't take pleasure in prurient gloating.
Right after I finished the Ergo Proxy and Planescape videos. Perfect timing. That freakout is amongst the greatest moments in cinema history, I knew it way before I saw the film, and it's relevant to this day.
Watched this movie a few weeks ago and loved it. First heard of it from an album intro sampling Howard's infamous speech. Song is The New Black by Perturbator, and damn those words are powerful
Perturbator rules!
Perturbator is a legend!!
Maybeshewill also incorporated the speech into one of their songs
th-cam.com/video/YvBn2Sd1ju0/w-d-xo.html
One of my favorite songs of all time.
I remember parts of that speech being sampled in Immortal Technique's song "Rich Mans World". All the lyrics are written from the perspective of corrupt people in power mocking all of those underneath their thumb, great song. Can't believe album it was featured on is over a decade old now.
Reminds me to share~ John Trudell's song: Rich Man's War ~ th-cam.com/video/y88AaSnJwqA/w-d-xo.html I was grateful to attend ~his performance w/ Quilt Man at a music Venue in "The Village" in NYC, in the early 2000's.
There is a scene where Faye Dunaway's character has to approve a new show for UBS, and they pitch her like 4 different shows with different settings and characters but when they read the description of the plot and characters they are the same every time. Seen today's shows and movies and you find the same, deep down they are the same dull stuff and executives are only worried on the coat they put on top to address a trending topic or use an IP that could bring more revenues.
To me "Pi" and "The Man From Earth" are few "intellectual" movies I really like and had an impact on me.
*Pi* ... absolute masterpiece 🤩👍
Hadn't heard of the Man from earth before this, I'll definitely check it out 👍
@@Tokinjester DONT READ ANYTHING ABOUT IT! Just watch it!
Interesting, that just yesterday I was thinking of the latter. Great movie!
@@KungLao15155 👍😂 no problem
I never read reviews until after I've watched a movie a couple of times and only then, if I think I've missed something or not quite grasped a concept
He did it again!
He said the word again!
This time it's about movie history!
I knew it was going to be Network. I saw the title and Ned Beatty’s speech about “the forces of nature!!!” Immediately popped in my head. I love this film and own a copy. Now if only I could find a copy of Being There I’ll double my profoundness.
I still have a UK region dvd of Being There 👍
I watched this film with my family a couple of times but never old enough to appreciate the gravity of that specific scene. Max the legend coming in to fill us with nostalgia and existential dread once again. 🎉
Network was one of two movies that enthralled my life into the power of a well told narrative and the power of words. Great pick!
I watched "Network" for Social Studies in high school. (Or rather, the Dutch equivalent of it.) And it sparked a discussion about how we view or SHOULD view media. Mind you, this was at the start of the internet age, which isn't as long ago as one might think. We now have so many "Howard Beale's" on the internet now; some of them self aware of their BS and some of them not...
I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore.
Watched Network a couple of weeks ago and it was crazy how in line with reality that movie actually was
Have you seen Wag the Dog?
Definitely check it out if you haven't already. It's almost too on point in some parts, especially in our current situation in the world
Great movie. They Live also check that movie.
Network wasn't prescient. It happened to be true back then too. If anything, it just shows us how little has changed.
Network and Eyes Wide Shut were the last 2 movies to get through Hollywood Censorship
and both had nearly an hour cut out of them before they were approved.. I still wonder what they felt the need to hide.
@@M2Mil7er Back then it was relatively new, and ahead of it's time for calling it out.
Today, it's a horrifying reminder that no one got mad. No one changed anything.
This a perfect describer of what happened to documentary channels like History Channel it went for trying at least to emphasize factual science and history to simply cure "Boredom" with conspiracy theory garbage like Ancient Aliens. Even things such as Tik Tok show we don't desire truth but food to mediate our boredom at the expense of knowledge.
That’s a risky paradise the CEO is selling. Let one company win until they control everything and then everyone will be in peace and taken care of. Makes me shiver.
"For the love of money is the root of all evils "
And quote from the WEF Karl swab _ You'll own nothing and be happy " welcome to the age of the end times . Metal gear and network is very interesting 🤔
Yeah.. that very phrase got me on edge.. "You'll own nothing and be happy". I just couldn't believe they would have the maul to say it out loud. The biggest problem with it, that I see is it being a neo liberal wet dream. Where everything you poses, including your time and energy is your own personal currency with which you trade to continue existing. With automation on the horizon, capable of replacing much of human labour, we are at crossroads.. Either of utopia of some kind where the human spirit, ingenuity, creativeness, curiosity will flourish, or at the hell's door where are own lives will become just currency.
Maybe I wouldn't be opposed to the idea if I thought that anyone with power, can be benevolent, but in the process of acquisition, one has to make so many moral compromises, that by the end, they cannot remain same naive person, even if they started their journey with good intentions.. You will own nothing - because we will own everything and as long as you do everything you are told, all your needs will be met, and I guess they think this means being happy.. It's a chilling thought.
jean Baudrillard was right, all things come full circle and become hyper real, what we needed were icons of change and we got the illusions of that in Obama and Trump, characters spouting change whilst keeping the same bloody wheel turning.
Visionary film.
The most profound moment in movie history is the ending of Time-Bandits when the garage-sale thing blows up the boy's parents.
So real
“Mum! Dad! It’s evil! Don’t touch it!”
Definitely a noteworthy moment, blew my mind. The parents just go poof... And everyone carries on with a smile 😂
And Sean Connery as the firefighter just shrugs and leaves like “sorry about your dead parents, kid”
For me, the most profound film in the scene was not the scene with Jensen, but the final scene between Max and Diana. His monologue to her burrowed to the bottom of the issue of media, and did it in a more personal way than the other scenes did.
That's a fair point. I kind of agree. It depends on how you look at it. Everyone wants to live comfortably and with meaning and passion. I think the problem is, what's preventing us from it? The scene Max denotes here is.
As someone who has struggled with this all my life, I think you can live purposely and for yourself, but it is one against a great tide, frought with many pains and sacrifices, but one that might be worth it. Maybe I'll be able to tell about it someday if I don't vanish into the big machine.
that scene was stone cold. Max established himself as a true human in that back and forth alone.
He's made mistakes, he's had his sins and virtues, he's irrational, he's filled with emotions. All of those making him an authentic human. And he knows that for Diana all that semantics is just a script. And Max made sure to let Diana know that she'll never be anything other than a humanoid part of the calculating hivemind, devoid of all life.
That was cruel of Max to do but for me it didnt matter, because Diana was not human.
Honestly my favorite scene second only to the Jensen meeting.
I agree. It is also a very profound scene. The whole movie makes you THINK.
Perhaps it is because I have lived in a state of poverty for nearly all of my adult life that I have zero issue with the idea of giving up life comforts and securities because I have rarely had them to begin with. Maybe that is what has provoked a strong sense of individualism in my life, when there is nothing to lose it is much easier to take what many would see as a risk when all you know it to always be is reality. No set or production value will ever mask that and your thoughts can never be narrated by anyone else when so much effort is already spent on survival alone.
Same, as a disabled person who could never be a "cog in a corporate machine" even if I wanted to be, and knowing that there are others like me, a capitalist "utopia" always rings hollow. If it can't be a utopia for everyone, how can it call itself perfect? If it requires people to be subjugated, how can it say there is no oppression? Makes no sense.
It's the same as gamers who say they want one thing and when they get it say they want the other. People at large don't know what they want. They'll do things that are directly against their own self interests until it becomes inconvenient for them. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's the best option. I think I'm starting to ramble here, but yeah. Money hasn't been around since the dawn of humanity, and it sucks that people think society can't exist without it.
You say you are okay with giving up your security because you spend all your time working to have security? That makes no sense...
Max, I'm really enjoying your analysis. I have to point out that Lumet is pronounced like Loo-Met. Not Loo-May.
For me its the end of A Scanner Darkly. Its message about the surveillance state and anonymity, corporate lies...The first time I watched it and everything clicked at the end, it made me cry.
I watched Network about 5 years into working in the news industry and it made such a profound impact on me. It's such an amazing movie that everyone should see. So glad you covered this.
excellent as always Max, glad to see you’re back in relatively full swing!
Film school screened a lot of hit and miss stuff when I was there, but Network was the absolute best thing I discovered during it. 70s cinema was something special.
Problem. Corporatization is going to collapse as all structures that grow too large do.
And the human condition is too complex to stick in to any box.
People will crack once they cant take it anynore. And things will change. For better or for worse
Thus statement amounts to nothing. Of course things will change for better or for worse. That's life. The goal is to discuss how to change for better NOT worse.
That last moment in which Spartacus has his named spelled by his fellow men is awe inspiring for me, as a teen i always thought they were being loyal by covering the truth from the executioners but now i understand "Spartacus" became a glorious name for all of those who dare to dream of freedom, Spartacus became untouchable, immortal, an idea.
This actually brings me back to the video game franchise of Armored Core, particularly the first and third game series. Arthur's dream is fully realized when not only has individuality been taken from humanity and their lives curated into a machine of money but the corporations themselves that thrive on this flow are also used in a similar fashion. Inside of the game everything from the civil unrest of jobs being lost to infighting that the corporations have for control over trade and quite literally the world that they live in is planned and calculated. Everyone in that game from the rioters to the rebels to the two largest corporations serve the singular purpose of maintaining society. The AI, solely named the Controller has already calculated these skirmishes, the people living and dying in order to keep those corporations afloat, the Ravens used to fight for those corporations vying for power and money to keep human society serving the purpose of safety and the ideal of harmony. Just like you said with the ending of your video: One Raven above all else chooses to destroy everything in order to free humanity from this lost world and give it meaning. One person was enough to make all of the calculations of the AI go awry.
Network is a classic.
I was NOT expecting Network to be your pick, and I'm so pleasantly surprised. That one scene has been a huge inspiration to me for most of my life. I'm glad my grandpa showed me that movie. Me and him used to quote it together. "YOU'VE GOT TO GET MAD!"
16:00 I don't think this man cares, at all, about the state of the world.. He just wants his money from the Saudis. That's the real message of that scene. He doesn't care, not even about who really controls this world (which is a combination of world leaders) - He just wants Saudi Money. Kinda like Drake, lol. "I want Saudi money, I want Art Money"
Still an excellent video Max.
Great video as always! Well done Max!
It's just neoliberalism/late-capitalism though. Any students of history and philosophy can explain and rebuke that idea easily. It's not that profound if all you need to do is going online and read some news.
That's why Zizek wrote about The Sublime Object of Ideology. Or I should say, outsourcing is a common practice of human society, and we love to outsourcing critical thinking too.
I still remember the moment I discovered that scene 15 years ago. I felt like hypnotised and frightened the whole time. After 1800 movies watched, this movie always been in my top 3.
Man it's like everything you put out is a banger.
Great movie, great video Max! Keep up the good work, brother! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
not sure if you'll see this, but that MGS video might be the best yt video i've ever seen. excited to check this out
@@maxderrat I agree here actually. Not only did it impact my current work and goals but it connected myself and LogosSteve for the past year as well. As an OSINT Analyst specializing in digital evidence for civil litigation it resonated in a very significant way.
I think the thing with confirmation bias is less about something that is easier to believe and more because we exist in such a world of conflict that even admitting you are wrong is so shameful. And if we were less aggressive in our knowledge-based victories (as essentially every internet argument and debate is at its core) it would be easier for people to change their perspectives and become more open minded.
Despite the fact that psychological research these days has many oversights and must take extreme ethical values to do by those studying psychology, governments and corporations take that ethically sourced research and use it for very unethical and psychologically controlling purposes. It's kind of fucked and really unfortunate for those of us who aren't the 1%.
Your worldview of Individualism vs collectivism is simplistic. Human beings are individuals within a collective and always have been. The issue at stake has never been individual vs collective, it has always been to what end the actions of our collective is directed and how that affects our overall productive capacity. We served Masters in slave empires in ancient days because it allowed us to raise the overall productive capacity of society beyond subsistence farming. We served the lords and kings of the age of colonization because it allowed the rise of highly productive agricultural states and the extraction of resources in the new world, and we serve the capitalists today because it allowed for the rise of industrial society, which has overall improved life expectancy for most. The reason these systems fall isnt that society regresses or falls apart, thats a symptom. The reason is all of these systems reach a level of development where they no longer are able to better conditions for most, and can only begin concentrating power more and more into the hands of the rulers. The rulers DO have a purpose, no significantly large enterprise of any kind can happen without some form of leadership, but they inherently have opposing interests to the people they rule because of the unequal nature of production in the system. Collectivism has always been in place, it has simply become refined and expanded. Under capitalism though we have reached the limit of the system's ability to provide improved conditons and are starting to regress again. Capitalism is the second most collective system possible. Under the slave empires we had masters and slaves and plebians and patricians etc etc. Under feudalism we had trhe peasantry and the freeholders and bergers and the nobility and the Royals. Under capitalism we have two classes: worker and capitalist. and 99% of us are workers. The next logical step is the elimination of the final ruling class and the collectivisation of our industrial economy: a return in form to the egalitarian collectivism we lived under during the pre-agricultural stage, but with the industrial economy to support the needs of our entire species. This is not a level of development that can happen without capitalism happening first, because it provided the system needed to expand production, but it also contains within it the crisis of overproduction, which is why we make far more food than we need and throw most of it away. Its very ironic that you rip on communism so much in this video because it is functionally the only ideology that offers a serious solution to the problem of overproduction and monopoly, the two issues that are driving the globalisation of the economy (for the negative). Globalisation is actually good and we would not be able to produce half of the technology we have now without it, but capitalism insures that for every big big winner, entire nations of people have to lose. The final leap in production is when we as a species can direct our massive productive capacity effectively for our collective betterment. In short, when we can finally take the extra food and just give it away instead of destroying it. But while the profit motive reigns supreme global inequality MUST continue. It cannot be done away with without removing profit from the equation because one persons profit is anothers uncompensated labour.
This movie is in the fantasy world where people who disagree with you stay quiet to hear what you have to say
There is a making of that said that they wanted to film the scene at the NY Stock Exchange but was rejected because of the provocative content, and had to be filmed in a PUBLIC Library. How fitting.
I got an add for the Unger Trading company with your video. We are truly in a corporate matrix.
Profound is something you have to give attention too, but, I’d like to here your favourite scenes in movies and videos games. For me it’s the ending to the episode In Pale Moonlight on the show Star Trek DS9. That and Goku going Super for the first time was awesome dude.
Today I learned what movie my grandpa would quote and I never realized it
Holy fuck.
Max, It would be great to see you cover Eyes Wide Shut, I feel like this movie is often overlooked and especially in light of recent discoveries (e-p-st-ein) it has been cemented as one of the only movies that attacks and exposes the "untouchables" in modern society.
Even before that revelation it was still my favorite movie because it stood on it's own as an incredible cinematic and symbolic story however I feel like the confirmation of what it portrayed as actually being a real and threatening danger in our lives will cause it to be remembered as a truly prophetic film.
David Lynch had his own way of telling about the Hollywood-behind-the-scenes-things. His way of course is much more abstract and nonsensical.
@@jessus3923 I always felt like David Lynch's work was more broad, Twin Peaks to me seemed like a meditation on the concept of evil and what it means to humanity as a whole but I would be interested to see his work being connected to more specific events.
@@ACHU-DETE I believe Mulholland Drive is a work that touches the beforementioned topics, darker and more sinister side of Hollywood. I believe that so does Inland Empire to some extent. It's just hidden beneath all the "Lynchian" style and pretty abstract and liberal way of telling a story. Of course the movies have other elements too, other subplots, but I have impression that beforementioned is one of the recurring themes.
@@jessus3923 Ah ok, havent seen that one! I'll have to watch it.
@@jessus3923I keep hearing people say this. Any videos or articles you recommend that discuss this theme? Bc I for the life of me don’t see it
one movie that wasn't really good, but the ending makes it worth watching and that was the ending of Escape from LA. Not a good movie, but in the end, the main Protagonist Snake Plissken takes out not just a Fascist US Government, but all governments and institutions across the globe with a push of a button. By shutting down the earth, and taking away the tool of technology that was the lifeblood of corrupt institutions, Humankind was finally freed. In times like these, I go back to that scene and ask myself a question. If you had a button that would shut off all of the world's technology disrupting centuries of technological and social progress to free ourselves from the clutches of governments and other institutions. Would you do it? The ancient Greeks believed that we don't need good governments what we need are good people, but is good ever something that is in Human Nature especially now? In this day and age, it gets harder and harder for people with a conscience to come in and stop this, and historically people of that caliber are usually killed off by the powers that be. Nowadays it seems easier to buy people out. Corrupt them with money so they can bring them to their level trying to convince the people of the world that the world is naturally psychopathic and we should be like these irrational overpaid psychopaths that run everything. In times like these where technology advances, the powers that be do not have good intentions with technology and tend to use more for nefarious purposes to make sure we remain slaves to the system. Would any of us be willing to push that button?
I had been a person that was fervently in line with that belief that "to speak the truth is good" because I was taught that lies were evil. Got older and my first awakening to the real truth of what people thought about truth and lies was from a teacher. My "guilt" in being the bully and not the victim was a foregone conclusion. I was to admit my "guilt" and anything less than prostration was a "lie".
It took me until Sophomore year of high school to finally recover from that "truth" and slowly start dismantling the mask of lies I had built up to protect myself.
People prefer what they think over any contradiction. I only got used to analyzing reality and accepting what I dislike about it as real because I'm usuallly appalled by what I see in humanity.
Truth is a slippery term, especially in knowing what we know about the human mind and given the complex political landscape today. I'm glad you discovered that reality even if in an unfortunate way. There are a whole lotta people throwing words like truth around willy nilly nowadays
Brilliant vid, superbly done! Liked and subscribed
The idea of “The universe runs on business transactions” is the plot of a game called Cruelty Squad. It’s an interesting juxtaposition between these two pieces of Fiction.
Bravo sir. Well done. I will share this with others.
I suggest a scene from the 1996 Tom Aronld classic, The Stupids. When Stanley meets The Lord, and he responds that his name is Lloyd, shattering his world.
"Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go far
You're gonna fly, you're never gonna die
You're gonna make it if you try, they're gonna love you"
-Pnk Floyd 1975
Thus is one of the most prophetic movies ever made. It should be required viewing for all.
About the videos final idea.
A guy called Andrew Ryan tried it: it was called Rapture.
Spoilers: it doesnt work.
Hello sir! Great video as always! Just a heads up that you missed linking the video to the monologue in the description as notified
The Network is a classic. I'm glad you got to check it out.
Self analyses and development is more important then ever.
A Scanner Darkly is worth looking into.
I watched the movie yesterday. It was quit depresing, at least for me.
I don't other people's views on certain types of media certain shape mine, usually to an unhealthy degree but I don't know there's something beautiful about it too, being able to look at all the different sides of the argument, genuinely trying to find views that disagree with my own and trying to see where they're coming from until I come to a conclusion of my own is a very delightful process to me, because some people just see things I can't and it's interesting to find out why and how.
You're amazing Max, thank you for posting this video!
Max i think you should watch Spoorloos/Vanishing (1988). People idolize Joker and what not but there is a character in that forgotten film that is so terrifying but the film is very nuanced and leaves bread crumbs for you to understand why he does what he does.
It's a tad bit dated (the TV isn't as powerful as it used to be), but a lot points of what Network conveyed are still relevant.
Network is my favorite movie of all time. As soon as you started talking about the deepest movie concept I instantly thought NETWORK! I love your work. You got great taste
It would’ve been better if it pointed out that people are prepared to hang onto the dumbest ideologies no matter what. That people will protect stupidity no matter the cost to themselves or anything else for that matter. If only what was said in the movie was true.
The ending of True Detective season 1 is right up there for me.
Interesting! I'm kind of a film expert. I've been watching, analysing and studying films all my life. Consequently, I have seen...many. Your most profound moment of film history is exactly the same as mine. As if this moment would create its own gravity...as if it were not subjective...
Have you studied how to analyze film, so you're not way behind the times?
@@DichotomousRex Sry, I'm not a native speaker. I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly. The reason why I'm involved in film analysis is probably because of my ADHD. I can't stand monotony and the diversity of the medium of film suits me very well. Can you perhaps elaborate on what you mean by "way behind the times"?
You can see the same idea in the 1970’s kids book Enders Game. The older brother uses the internet and specifically alt accounts to rise to power. Can’t remember if it was the first book or the second one.
Great choice. This whole film is so relevant even more than ever now
I see I’ve got something to think about from this video, ty max absolutely fantastic timing imo.
I used to be active in the field of politics, hoping beyond all hope that my efforts in tandem with my peers could galvanize a change in mindset in the general public and drive them to improve their lives. Years went by, and all that they ever taught me is that people are just purposefully, irredeemably stupid unless they suffer the same misfortunes heaped upon others they usually see in mass media. Now, the only people I care about improving their lives is myself, and a handful of others who stopped being willingly stupid.
This is my favorite movie ever. Thank you so much for talking about it!
Now there is only one thing left. The most Profound moment in literature. My personal choice would be the part in the Book "the Stranger" by Albert Camus where Meursault tells the Priest his side of thinking. I mean the whole book points to this outburst at the end. It is like Camus wanted to say explicitly this and wrote the whole story around it. I recommend reading older translations as the pronunciation is more flowery and leads to the point in what I would describe as lyric fireworks. For me it was a mind opener and I guess for many others too. But I would love to see another moment in a book you came up with.
If going from video games to movies is going from a kiddie pool to a real one, going from movies to literature is like jumping into the sea. Not only because it's older than the other two media, but also because getting to know literary works takes far more time and effort. The Stranger is a great book, one of my favourites as well, but I doubt it could be considered the most profound. Or at the very least the competition would be seriously fierce since literature is much more closely intertwined with philosophy and, well, a lot of great thinkers have come and gone, for all of whom literature was likely the best medium to express it.
I find it notable that the translations of the book's title in different languages convey different but very related meanings.
Portuguese: "The Foreigner"
English: "The Stranger"
????: "The Outsider"
@@JCCyC oh sorry I only used Google translate and the German Word "Der Fremde" was translated to "The Outsider". It is "the Stanger" you are absolutely correct, I'll fix that Edit: no wait it is also "the Outsider" I don't know, what is the real title now in the english language area?
@@gnorung7769any books you might suggest? I don't read that much, but I guess everything that involves philosophy is my Gem. Why else are Max Derrat and Quinn's Ideas for about 2 years my favorite channels on Yt^^ Also is that profile pic by Moebius or by a different artist?
I'd say that Arthur's statement about people's willingness to cling to unconscious security rather than conscious (and painful) truths could be considered correct in most cases...so long as there IS an identified convenient security to cling to as an alternative en mass.
I can't even say this is necessarily something that started just last century...as a group, people always tended to try to agree in simple, easier to understand sentiments rather than complex, critical/ inconvenient facts. This has been true since the time society started, not as an absolute occurrence...but as a tendency, in my eyes.
Media and network corporations, I believe, merely exacerbated and expanded this tendency. It's the equivalent of having the near entirety of the U.S in one big room, if you think about it...and you know what they say about groups of people: The more people are in a group in any given moment...the less intelligent we tend to get when emotions rise conflicts flare up.
With that in mind...I think Arthur's statement about the world has one big critical flaw in it, that I already pointed out in the beginning: People, when in a big collective, DO tend to cling to unconscious security and compromise morals when survival is a priority...but that's only if said alternatives are identified as readily available and rationalized as "necessary". If not....then, even if reluctant, people WILL be more likely to find themselves facing harsh truths and sticking to their morals because the alternative would be perceived as death, either in spirit, or literal.
Some revolutions arguably happened and ran on this, in my opinion.
Very well said, these points could/should be expanded on, not sitting in a comments section.
I saw the video title, and the indistinct thumbnail, and thought "He's going to talk about Network." I've been watching you for too long, lol.
"I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"
Great video - one of my favorite films of all time.
Another good movie is the number 23 and cube and the endless just i couple of good movies I've seen recently but i wouldn't say that they are profound necessarily but just interesting and another good book is the man in the high castle
Rejecting individuality, huh, novelist Project Itoh came to the same conclusion in a book Harmony in a much more darker sense
When I saw the title and thumbnail I immediately correctly guessed the scene this video was about, because I revisit it regularly.
I watched this movie with some classmates back in high school. Always loved it. Terrific video essay on it.
The claim that it reflects reality is a bit silly though. Reality is much worse. The machine of which people are mindless cogs in is not protecting them or anyone for that matter. And yet almost everyone is prepared to risk bankruptcy or even death if it means protecting the travesty.
This is incredibly chilling. The exact thing that the channel Moon has been warning during the last year or so in his videos.
The boardroom speech given to Beale is literal truth. There is one system here. There are no "countries" acting independently.
They took our resentment, packaged it up and sold it back to us
I have two moods:
"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
"You have meddled with the forces of nature!"
What’s truly profound was the friends we made along the way.
Not even a joke. We should consider all good things that happen in our lives to be miraculous.
@Max_Derrat Look buddy, it's really easy to tell you're not Max. I can see your channel.
If the company is owned by the workers (via stocks) and not the state then that's good actually. It is a democratization of the workplace. The simple fact that we do not live in a real democracy, even at an economic level is the root of most of our problems.
This film is without a doubt in my top 5. Two other great films from this era are 'The Parallax View' and 'The Conversation', incredible paranoid thrillers. Save for Mr. Robot, there isn't enough media in the modern paranoid thriller genre.
Ty your video always makes me think 👍
Honorble mention V for Vendetta. Both the original graphic novel and the movie.
Because they´ve turned out much more prophetic, in many many ways, than anyone could imagine at the times both were made.
I always was under the impression it was at least in parts influenced by Network (that was a very good choice IMO!).
Oh that virus was definitely engineered and I believe someone used it!.. Good call on V Hugo Weaving was masterful!
@MenahemKhasin47 Oh, I know Zizek´s commentary.
My thought on that was that the Zizek doesn´t understand allegories.
Knew this decades ago, now everyone is catching up…
Excellent analysis! Network is my favorite movie! I think I have most of it memorized.
You’ve got to believe in something…I believe I’ll have another drink
The most profound moment is "Daddy Would You Like Some Sausage" from Freddy Got Fingered
Mine would have to be from The Fifth Element, when Leeloominaï Lekatariba-Lamina-Tchaï Ekbat de Sebat is trying to learn English and types war… The scene from the movie Lucy near the end is something else as well.
The Black Mirror episode where you ride a bike and watch ads for points ... and dude freaks out
saw the start of this vid, went to watch the movie, back now for the discussion 😎
Analysis on Blood Meridian?
Now that's a herculean task
Great video essay.
this hit like a ton of bricks. Holy... wow. I don't even know how to handle this.
Network is fuckin' amazing. Timeless.