As someone who does the same, sticking our heads in the sand and covering our ears yelling lalalala to these sorts of things gives predators and assholes a platform to continue their bad behavior and is not excusable. I hate that Adam got brought down like this, but it's our responsibility to create the supportive safe environment we want. It fucking sucks that people suck.
@@bmar764nobody is in denial, some people just don’t know because they have lives outside of the internet. People assuming everyone knows everything they know and assuming the worst of people is the opposite of being kind and empathetic.
@@eh39292 I'm saying we can't live in denial and claim to be kind and empathetic. I'd argue giving money, time, and space to people like Dealers' and Attilas' vocalists is the opposite of kind and empathetic, regardless of our prior knowledge. I'm as defeatist as Adam is about ethics in society, it sucks.
@@bmar764 I'm not talking about being kind and empathetic to people who have done terrible things. I'm talking about being kind to people who merely *do not have the knowledge* about these things happening. Instead of dogpiling on them, take them aside and explain what is going on like an adult. The way people act online makes me think they are unhappy and are looking for an excuse to be mean to someone while acting like they're doing something positive in the name of social justice. It's sick.
Yup, about 1 min in i was like, this sounds like fake twitter outrage, cancel culture bullshit. It’s mentally ill people spending all their time online trying to ruin other people for nothing. Remember people, you’re not responsible for anyone but yourself, guilt by association is not real.
This started because atilla had a rapist in the band while their lyrics were all about rape. People voicing their opinions about it on twitter got a band broken up? Maybe it's the band's fault
@@jankington216 Dumbass did you not listen the band with the abusers are still together the only band without abusers quit what are you talking about Attila and Dealer both have terrible abusers in it. Oceano has done nothing like that but shmucks like you blame the only decent people on that tour listen next time cannot even believe you watched this and did not even know what bands had Abusers and the one band that did not.
@@jankington216 I'd disagree and again Fronz did ID that one person who LIED about her age which is a crime in itself and Aidan he's unfamiliar to me so I can't really form an opinion on that
I can be witness and account for Adam (Oceano). They stopped by my home town 2 times each time I have been there. First time I messaged Adam on Instagram saying I’d bring the band some food from my home town because his favorite food at the time was Burritos. Brought him and the band some before the show. Was the most humble, honest, down to earth human. We all hung out for a bit, talked some shit, and had a good time. Out of all the bands I’ve met or known Oceano has always been overlooked. The band and Adam don’t deserve all the hate or bs coming their way right now.
@@horrorking1000 he literally quit because people were telling him about the other bands accusations and to drop off. well some were assholes about it, but my point stands
@heavenly2k then youre a moron. Because yes it is. If someone's criminal case causes you that much stress, you are absolutely too sensitive. And you're a cry baby. Did oceano do anything? No? Then leave them alone. Theyre just trying to make money. They have to live. So leave them alone.
I don't really know much about any of the bands mentioned, but I definitely feel for Adam from Oceano. It was a crappy situation for him and it's a shame that it ended up as it did. I wish him the best in his future endeavors.
I consider myself a long term metalhead, and I had no idea until this video about Atilla and any of the controversy surrounding them. I even spend most of my time on the internet and still managed to not hear anything about it. So it's not impossible for someone like Adam to not have known about Atilla and Dealer's problems.
Hmm interesting I was like how can you not know that Fronz is a polarizing person, if you are a literal Metalcore band but on the other Hand if I work with somebody I at least look at all the companies or people I want to work with.
I see where you’re coming from but also I think someone involved in the same area of business for years would’ve probably heard something for sure. People talk, a lot
I'm probably halfway there. I was aware of Attila and Fronz and that a fair amount of people didnt like them, but to the extent of this? I was surprised to see.
@kingdro I don't like attila enough to look into their history. I think they sound terrible. Didn't know about their history until recently and now I have a bigger reason to dislike them
Bout time, someone else said something on this. Like Adam/Oceano hadn't even done anything besides being on a poster, yet with that corny Deathcore super group, there are photos of some of the biggest vocalists in the scene with Fronz and that gets a pass by the same crowd?
I mean everybody has forgotten that James Gunn is/was best friends with Jimmy Urine because hollywood told everybody not to worry about it and look the other way so...
Yeah, he did, but everyone is flaming Adam for not doing research or googling bands or whatever. All those dudes hung out together, there are photos together, etc. Some are friends and associates. I'm more confused that Adam/Oceano has been dragged through the mud and being painted with the same brush, yet it only got to being a few days of being on a tour poster and exploding, however the others were hanging out, all g.
After watching this whole thing....KUDOS to Adam. We have booked various packages with Oceano on them throughout the years. ALWAYS the nicest dude on every package. Would even help kids out with fitness stuff out back when he was working out. This is sad, but should be a wake-up call. Did other band members need to take their feelings public and start the outcry? I would be willing to bet Adams number is in their phones, why not reach out to someone known as the nicest guy on a tour package and have a conversation. This honestly changed my opinion of the others involved. This has become such a vicious time its honestly terrifying.
Nah. Something tells me if he couldn't do a simple Google search to learn if any of these bands had controversies this bad, something tells me he wouldn't just "belive" his "friends" texting him outta the blue. He wanted this to work out.
@@Ramonatho It's called being profesionnal and doing your job. Do you seriously search through all your colleagues socials? cause i sure as hell don't. Don't know a thing about my colleagues and don't need to.
The biggest issue in the deathcore community is that a lot of the time we are focused too much on drama, and not enough on art. Adam Warren is one of the kindest people I've ever met in my life. My band has opened for Oceano before and he watched my band play, shouted my band out on stage, and always treated me as an equal. He even did guest vocals on one of our songs and was incredibly patient with us and always willing to communicate despite his busy schedule.
I didnt know shit about either of the bands that had accusations. I don't listen to or follow them or the rumor mill . But attacking the one band that doesn't have accusations is just wild
Same. I have no idea who Dealer is. I know of Attila, but I had no idea about the SA allegations. People should realize that there are many people who are multifaceted. I don't have the time to know every situation with every metal band and stay on top of the other things that interest me
This shit is so fucking stupid. Who the fuck randomly googles people they don't know? Adam had zero obligation to snoop on the internet to find every info on every band or dude on the tour. Fans make me fucking sick at this point, wishing Adam the best.
Social media is vile. Last year and the years before i was at my lowest point and it played a part to a nasty breakup with someone i was very close to be engaged to. My world fell apart when that ended and i was always unhappy. I quit social media after the break up and a year later in finally in a happy place and to top it off i finally quit my old dead end job for a good paying serious job. I also quit smoking weed and got out this nasty cycle of mind numbing things. I use to smoke a minimum of 10 joints a day to bring completely sober. It’s a far cry for some but for me social media and being stuck in a cycle from making necessary changes go hand in hand. I will never return to that disgusting world because i prefer to live in the real world again. Reminds me of my youth when there was no internet or mobiles for children.
I mean, some people just aren't online like others are. I had never heard of Dealer until this video. Had no idea about their singer and the accusations. And I've been a part of the metalcore/deathcore scene for almost 15 years now. Other than their name and knowing that people didn't like them, I knew nothing about Attila. So yeah, I don't find it hard to believe at all that Adam wasn't in the know on some of this stuff. I do agree with Tank that he probably should have been, but none of what these other people have allegedly done should fall on him. I get where he's comin from, and feel kinda bad.
I don't find it weird that he didn't initially know. But it's basic due diligence to just do the bare minimum effort to see what they are about so it's shocking to me that they either didn't do that or did, found out and hoped no one would notice. I'm leaning towards the second though just because of the "As a man of God" statement he started with initially. That is a textbooks case of "I knew what I did was wrong but I hoped to get away with it" statement.
As you get older, your focus hones in more to only the things you really need to work on. It's not anyone's job to try to keep abreast of all sorts of random things that other entities are doing, just on the off chance you may deal with them some day. So no, he shouldn't have just known because he shares a characteristic with someone (being in a band). Now, if there's a reputation, and you find out about something, and then make a decision, that makes sense. But to be a little SJW and try to read someone for simply not knowing something is mentally retarded.
Why the fuck are people mad at anyone in a band, and not the labels and promoters and management that get these bands on shows? If Attila and Dealer are such problems - why haven't their labels dropped them? Why aren't they blacklisted by tour managers and venues etc? How does this fall on the shoulders of the singer of another band?
Why are you assuming that any fans have the power to get them blacklisted? Also, the answer to all those questions are that the bands make the label and promoter a lot of money. That's why. I agree they shouldn't be getting mad at Oceano. But let's not pretend that a label would do the right thing if it hurts the bottom line.
It’s the same reason Tank said, if money is to be made, the business is gonna do whatever they need to do to make that money. They don’t stand on the morals we do
@adoramay9410 i don't think you understand how live music works. Your manager and publicist entire jobs are making sure you look good and don't do anything to put you in a bad spotlight. I've fired managers for looking at making money instead of keeping my band from playing with white supremacists.
Adam is right in what he says in regards to his criticism about the music scene. It's valid and extremely true. There is a lot wrong with the metal scene nowadays and in many ways I don't blame him for calling it quits. He was probably burnt out already. With that in mind though, Tank makes a great point. You need to know who you do business transactions with in this business. That is probably one of the best pieces of advice out there. That's the only critique I would have for Adam. Outside of that, I have meet Adam a few times. He is a very kind man and he has done a lot for this scene. I wish him the best. This is also a learning lesson for people who manage bands. You got to do your homework and research. In today's insane world, due diligence is essential
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nah I dont have to do research into personal bs not involved with me, thats a personal problem. Find a tree and make yourself an ornament
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metal scene is full of trashy females and smooth brain males that might think they're female
People put celebrities on pedestals and get upset when they discover they don't shit rainbows. That's not a dig at Adam, just a reminder that the man is human. He can't be expected to know everything about everyone all the time, so this bizarre indignant outrage leveled at him just boggles my mind. Add me to the list of people that had no idea about this controversy. I will say I'm pretty bummed about this turn of events since I only recently discovered Oceano. People suck.
Cancel culture and cyberbullying at its finest. Social media was/is a mistake. To watch metal devolve into this, whatever this is, is pathetic and lame.
@@jamesthomasjr9911 social media is great. You get to see society for exactly what it is, and the reality that the average person on this planet is a mindless puppet unable to critically think for themselves and simply parrot what others say. But yeah… I don’t swim in that cess pool either.
@@Wyl7 You posted a comment on TH-cam. You are on social media. To claim otherwise is a sign of media illiteracy. You're not above anybody on other platforms, morally.
@@henrygvidonas9573 granted you can’t see facial expressions or hear tone of voice in a post, but the bit about not being on social media was pure sarcasm.
I don’t blame Adam from walking away, I would do the exact same. The world right now is riddled with self righteous losers doing nothing other than tearing others down over internet BS
I really do feel for Adam from Oceano here...He has basically been dragged across the coals for trusting his management and wanting to play a tour....The fact that everyone keeps saying that he should know about the REPs of every band he thinks of touring with is such a generalisation....Unless the band is made up of Varg Vikernes, Ian Watkins and Tim Lambesis there is a chance of people not knowing the reputation of every member.
Even now I only recognise Tim's name of those 3, so I wouldn't be surprised in this metal scene where shitting on bands is commonplace that something genuinely bad publicity-wise would take place
@@TeckTheBlooded Ian Watkins is a convicted child molester and CSAM collector, serving 35 years in prison. He is currently 10 years in. Used to be the vocalist of Lostprophets. Varg Vikernes was the bass player for Mayhem. He killed Mayhems guitar player Euronymus and burnt churches. He served a 21 year sentence, but was let out after 16 years. Also happens to be a raging racist.
@@TeckTheBlooded I feel bad for black metal musicians. That scene is teeming with shitty and sketchy individuals. And, yes, there is touring drama all the fucking time.
Exactly! It quite literally getting to a point that it can’t actually sustain itself this way. Can you imagine in 10 years whenever the bar for being cancelled is even lower…half the people were talking about will be cancelled based on something they said in 2019…in 2032
Honestly, nothing really gatekeeps itself. Fandom grifters (primarily far-left ones) will move onto the next host and kill it, the social clout and validation matters more to them than the actual work in question. You'll have random games that blow up for no discernible reason on social media now, and people will consume it (and generally still hate it) because they want to be in on the current thing. We're in a day and age where game developers get death threats sent to them for daring to stick up for fanartists that get death threats from people in their community. It's absolutely tiring. Reddit's existence, how moderation works (essentially if you don't kowtow to their strict guidelines, they will replace the subreddit moderators with ones without the community's best interests in mind), and the brigading (for example, with gaming, especially from places like r/GamingCirclejerk) doesn't help matters. Honestly, social media was a mistake.
i think Adam's responses were totally understandable. the internet is a VAST place, and people post fragments of the whole all over the place, so in order to keep things in check with due-diligence, there is almost a need to be chronically online to find the whole story of band member X or drama Y. it's totally overwhelming. "i don't know the tea cuz i'm not on the internet that much to spend more time with my family and solo project" is NOT a crazy response.
@@jleighwolfe so every person has to take part in their band as a business and not art? I'm a musician and wouldnt do that so this is just simply untrue. Not everyone is chronicly online, especially people that got other things to do. And even if this was the case, its pretty easy to overlook, I wouldnt even think about googling other bands for potential contraversy cos not everybody uses social media that much. Asuming that everybody should is kinda ridiculous. I wouldnt even know of attila contraversy if it wasnt for youtube comments, which I just happened to read. Am I and others naive and not paying attention? Maybe. People are like this sometimes, imperfect.
The difference here is that we're talking about a legendary band entering a tour. Even if Adam himself wouldn't check everything, which is totally fair, I would assume there are other people doing that for him. I'm not in the music business myself but I think I'd like to know if someone has some controversy around them before working together with them, because of situations like this or because those people are the types I don't want to be around. And sure, you can't be in the know of everything. That's totally fine. But with bands as big as Atilla it's pretty hard to miss.
The last part of Adam's statement reads almost like this is just announcing a split that was already in the works. Or at least one that had been considered
Met Adam at a preshow merch sale one time back during the Contagion tour. He was a really cool dude and was pretty chill. He gave me a free shirt of the new design they just made and he signed it for me. I was so happy to see them coming back, this is really sad honestly. I can't blame the dude for being tired of the terminally online drama. I had no idea about most of this drama I just saw him announce that he was done and retiring from the band
My guess is, Adam probably had an idea about Fronz, but didn’t know how mad fans would get and wasn’t sure how deep it all went. And he also said that Dealer wasn’t even part of the tour when he agreed to it, and likely trusted his own circle to tell him if they were a problem after they got added.
Yeah. I'm not buying the fact that he didn't know about Attila. I'm an attila fan, but it's past allegations from my understanding that we're proven false. I remember that exact case. The girl admitted she lied about hwr age in a statement. Anyways, the dealer thing, yeah maybe. In all honesty, it just seems slightly like a publicity thing since Adam admitted Oceano was going to break up anyway even if they had a new album.
The fact he admitted he didn't know much of what was happening in the scene takes courage. Most people are afraid of saying they don't know something. I definitely didn't know all this, but I also don't consider myself huge into the music scene period. I pop Pandora on and if I like a song that pops up, I give it a thumbs up. I agree with Adam that the managers/agents should not be hyping up bands with problematic members
I can’t speak for Fronz of Attila, but Aidan is definitely a POS. He’s been in our scene for many years, even before Alpha Wolf in a band called Enfield. These allegations against him are the only ones that have become public, but there have been many more before that - Including child abuse, mental and physical abuse. He’s well connected so continues to remain relevant unfortunately, but he’s been blacklisted in Australia and would dare not tour here.
I've been following Fronz for a while and he seems okay. The thing with the allegations have already been proven false, and I can't imagine how he feels getting tricked to doing stuff with someone underaged because they lied about their age.
@@BeefCakeOfficialThat's the craziest thing to me. People are mad at Oceano for being involved with Attila when Fronz was proven innocent. Aiden is a different story but the Fronz thing blows my mind and is the reason I don't indulge in metal fandoms or any fandoms for that matter. There's too much virtue signaling and battling for moral superiority.
@@dantelan-i-er5466 like I'm a fan of Ronnie, and all the "allegations" towards him have been proven false multiple times yet fans gaslit spiritbox into dropping from a tour because they were gonna be touring with fir. At the end of the day, why can't we just enjoy music.
This sucks to hear. I liked Dealer's music, and it got me through a really hard time in my life 4 years ago. Disappointed to hear Aiden is a piece of shit because I liked his vocals.
I just discovered Adam like a week ago and was really interested to look up his and Oceano music, seen some videos with him talking, singing and screaming.. I was blown away what a gem the guy is. And few day after this "drama" happens, it's really sad to look how good people losing over a some dumbasses that did some stupid stuff and now it's everybody's problem... really unfortunate Wish best for Adam in his future and thanks Tank for content!
I think Tank provides an excellent balanced discussion on these issues. Its the kind of analysis that is so often lacking in these hyper polarised times.
I think management should be responsible for looking up issues with bands on the same tour. Not everybody wants to jump online and Google other people. From a business sense, the people responsible for the business/bands best interest and PR, etc, needs to step up. Blaming Adam for not doing research on a band or person in case there is a looming issue is putting responsibility on the wrong person/entity. Some people don't want to do this or feel like they should. Just saying it "takes 2 seconds to look this up" may be true but again, there are some of us who just don't feel like this should be a necessary step to being a part of a lineup/tour. My 2 cents with this. It's a shame Adam is leaving Oceano as a result of this - or what looks like the result of this issue. He is an excellent singer with a unique sound/delivery.
I'm blaming whoever booked Oceano on the tour. Adam seems to be an artist who just wants to fucking do music and be left in peace, and honestly also pretty naive when it comes to the internet and perception of these kinda things. I absolutely believe him that he didn't have the feintest clue and would have expected to be informed about something like that. So whoever was responsible for the booking must know Adam, and therefore should absolutely 100% know that he needs to do his job right, research the bands on tour, and give Adam a freaking rundown before signing anything. I am also 100% sure that some, if not many, of the people who complained most vocally didn't know ANY of the stuff about Attila or Dealer, probably didn't even know the bands (at least not Dealer), but saw an uproar flair up and decided that they have to jump on the wagon and spread hate. It's just the fucking world we live in, especially on social media, and it's frustrating and sad, and I can fully understand Adam being defeated and just resigning from it all.
bless adam. one of the best and nicest guys ive ever had the pleasure of meeting and seeing. an Oceano show was a sight to behold, no matter if they were headlining or not, Adam steals the show with his vocal presence.
I met Adam once at a show and he had a drink with me and my fiancé. He was so nice! Its a shame that he got attacked like this. If you think about it he got bullied, and that is also not okay.
@TankTheTech You summarized this very well. Personally I appreciate all the points you made, they're all valid. Quick story --- On and off over the years I've been involved in booking local music shows. A few years ago I asked a band to play a venue and they declined the offer. One of the members called me personally (meaning off the record) and said the real reason the band declined the offer was due to the fact that the rest of the band members were uncomfortable with some political statements made by the venue owner. He respected me enough to tell me the truth knowing I would never say a word about it to the owner or anyone else in the music scene (which I never did) and that he wanted to be clear it did not mean he would not being willing to book shows at other venues. In turn I respected him for telling me the truth and he booked other shows with me at other venues. While it is not the exact same situation that you discussed in this video. I thought it would be a good parallel story to your point of doing due diligence. Be well and if you have thoughts on this story I'd love to hear them if you have time to reply. 🤘
As someone that’s recently had the chance to work with Adam, he’s a gem and I’m pumped to release what he’s helped us on. It was a few weeks ago that we connected, and even then he was talking about how he loved his solo stuff and wanted to pursue something bigger than “Metal”. No doubt he will bounce back from this.
@26:20 perhaps not, but the Australian scene will always be outspoken about dealer and Aiden and it's to the point that dealer can't even play a show in their own backyard
I'm honestly curious, did you and the Electric Callboy team discuss Nothing More's lead singer drama before they got added to the more recent tours? I imagine that was difficult to assess/manage given the initial information that came out from the court case and then the unofficial reporting that came out later after Jonny and his ex broke up.
@@XvXMONSTERXvX that's the headline read, but the full story is of course more complicated (lying, drinking, abuse by her on him that went unreported/uncharged, etc). But yes, Jonny ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor charge and got probation + fines.
The twitter bot band members who flamed Adam should be ashamed and disgusting at themselves. This is honestly a prime reason why I don't associate with any sector of the metal "community". It's full of snakes, bad actors, and abusers of various kinds. Nothing positive to be found in that shit hole "community"
I'm going to come out as the business oriented person here but the commonality of things like this happening calls into question the people being hired by bands to handle their business affairs. It is seen as sort of a rule of thumb that anytime an agreement is presented to a business; the business ALWAYS takes time to research the opportunity, who's providing that opportunity, and what potential risks are involved with agreeing. When a person or a company is presented with a contract; it's standard practice to have that contract reviewed by an expert. I can respect Adam's choice to limit his online habits but if their management didn't pull the band into a planning meeting regarding potential tours and the like; then, in my opinion, the band should have sought new representation. It seems to me that a lot of bands are hiring incompetent management and then facing backlash for poor decision making. That's my big take away; a lot more bands are being screwed by the people that they're hiring than the fans know. However, I find it also kinda dumb that Adam is having the reaction he is; if his band is decent and well behaved then they should have pulled back from the internet for a bit and allowed the shit talking to take it's course because it's temporary thing. That's just my opinion though.
Adam is a real man, which can't be said for all these iPad babies and cancel culture propagators. I don't blame him at all for wanting to quit the band after this because I'm the same kind of person having no clue what's going on in anyone else's life but my own. Tank, just because the internet exists now doesn't mean anyone is at all obligated to look up what other people in their industry might be up to even if they're signing on tour with them. Prior to the internet what would you say about bands touring with pedophiles? You probably wouldn't say anything because you'd have no idea the horrible things they did because you don't have the internet. I think you need to take a step back tank and look at it objectively
I feel like it's only been in recent years where anybody would consider it necessary to like Google the history of every band you're about to tour with. The internet truly is both a blessing and a curse.
I feel for Oceano man. They're just trying to get their name back out there, especially with the new album release. Just because bands tour together doesnt mean they associate. I hope people dont hate on them for shit that has nothing to do with them. They are some of the nicest and most genuine people who dont deserve any hate
I have several signatures from musicians tattooed on my arm, Adam Warren being one of them. I have spent several shows hanging out with him, and have followed his stream since he was BlaqMario. He is such a friendly and caring human being. It broke my heart when I saw that he was done with it.
Adam sounds like his connection to the band was already nearing a breaking point. It's telling that his big reaction isn't to leave the music industry or anything, it's just to...focus on his solo work. Sounds like something he's been wanting to do anyway, and people pushed him into it.
I really stand with Adam on this. I've been a metalhead for over 2 decades. But even I don't follow bands that closely. I genuily just listen to their music and watch a few interviews to get to know their creative minds. I've seen Adam on Earths content. Such a talented dude, seems like a cool guy too. As someone who is puposfully disconnected from the social media aspect of bands, and only focused on music. I kinda feel sad for adam.
As someone who also grew up in that same scene. Adam is a real one and 100% support everything he’s said. Our band used to play Mojoes all the time and would see Adam all the time. Maybe not as much when Oceano started taking off but he would always be around. I used to be in Mourning the Memory. Those were some fun times and best memories playing at Mojoes.
Sucks to hear about Oceano. I got a chance to photograph them back in 2016 when my band opened up for them with I think Mushroomhead as the headliner. I thought they sounded great. And I get where Adam is coming from. My life is so busy I don't have time to Google and keep up with every single band, but I think I'll learn from his mistakes and start doing this with any band we are offered to play with. Funny how someone brought up the Spiritbox issue with Falling In Reverse. I live in a small area and big names don't come around. They were going to come here and I was pumped. I bought tickets just for Spiritbox and many other people did as well. To have them bullied off the tour was highly disappointing and I refused to listen to their music until about a month ago.
Heard you mention Mojo's! It's the forge now and I practically live there 😂😂😂 such great staff I've had the pleasure of making friends with over the years. That venue feels like a second home. ❤️
I can't blame him for leaving, I'm in a few groups on Facebook and those dudes will straight up suck the fun out of a comment section over every little thing. It's why I don't associate with ANY of them and stick around ONLY to chance discovering a new band I haven't heard of. The music is the only reason I even have cursory dealing with the community, but the community itself is so unreasonably incendiary it can go to hell.
I think this really is a though one, as I absolutely go with Adam when he says he does not know stuff, but I also agree with everyone saying know who you're working with. I mean I had no idea about all this drama but then again I am more involved here in the European and especially German Melodic Death and Black Metal scene and even though I listen to pretty much all subgenres of metal including deathcore, I don't know shit about the deathcore scene. On the other hand, about the scene I am involved in I know a lot, especially both the local and Subgenre specific bands. And believe me the black metal scene is a very special minefield when it comes to controversies to be aware of. so I find it hard to believe those guys never heard of things happening within their specific scene at least.
Adam's response was 100% correct and the public is crazy. If u wanna be mad at them being able to perform, call the venues and sponsors. His responsibility is what he sees and does. Playing a show to fans and collecting a check for his family, while ensuring he will stop and speak out against any abuse he sees, does not constitute this hate at all.
Thank you Tank the tech for talking about this The industry needs to do better People need to Stop taking Frustrations out on bands.who Have nothing to do with the accusations I am glad you are talking about the music industry You Are educating people and bringing stuff to their attention it is really good you do that
I still remember buying a 3 album pack that had Depths in it. That was my introduction to Oceano. Even got to see them live on the Scream It Like You Mean It tour with Acacia Strain. Always felt they were underrated. I feel bad for Adam and the group.
I think a big reason that people were mad at Adam is because how vocal he ways about the Cj Mccreery situation and calling him out, but not doing the same for Attila or Dealer.
That's because there was actual evidence where as in this situation it's just petty shit talking and dude was proven innocent via court which is as official as it gets it's all just petty bullshit and grown men acting like angsty teenagers on Twitter it's embarrassing and immature
Problem with your comment is that news medias blew up aftwr the CJ situation, especially since the band kicked him out over it. Attila just have allegations (I believe it's true) and the guy is in the band still after the allegations. Plus Lorna Shore is massive and getting lots of hype
Adam has been looking for a reason to leave the scene since 2018. I dont blame him but this feels a bit overboard. Granted i dont know how him or the guys from Oceano roll or how often they get criticism or harassment. I can get why. If he didnt know he didnt know but thats something that he should have been made aware of. Sucks all around but excited for the 2025 shows and for Adams (hopefully soon) upcoming solo stuff.
Something to note with agents, agents have a specific legal part to them, managers might fall under this too. But an Agent is working for the band/artist in a legal sense, that means they are speaking on behalf of the band, so if it is their agent, they are responsible for what the agent does. The way this comes up most often is things like construction and logistics companies, employees are agents of the business (especially when acting for the business) and so when they are driving the company vehicle down the road with the company logos all over it, the business is responsible for when they crash, or get a DUI, the driver is often responsible as well, but that does not remove liabilities from the employer. Here his agent probably should have informed them of this stuff, but they are responsible of holding their agent to that and should give them a warning and if that isn't enough a firing and find a new one. Nothing against Adam personally, and I know a lot of people running smaller businesses do not understand these intricacies.
I feel so bad for Adam and he doesn’t deserve the backlash at all, however I also feel bad for oceano fans that weren’t trying to be malicious or anything, but instead just didn’t want to see there favorite band on a tour with Attila and Dealer so they made a comment about it about how upset they are about it without blaming Adam.
I remember messaging Adam in the mypsace days just to tell him how much I loved the band and he always made it a point to reply. Such a humble guy and a shame to see someone like him possibly leaving the scene.
I dont like this culture we have where an innocent party is made to take on the crimes of someone else just because they booked a tour with them. Or choosing to still listen to a problematic music act makes you a rapist by association. People just look for a socially acceptable outlet to get angry at and forget that theres a fellow human on the other end. This is a big reason why i left the NYC metal community, rarely go to shows now and keep my spotify private. I hate that every decision a human makes, from where to buy coffee to what one chooses to wear is fraught with political choice one might not know that they are making. Who has time to look up everything they use or consume for problematics? Its like when i was younger and you had to carefully look up what was kosher or not. Now we have to do the same to make sure we arent supporting genocide or a rapist. Who has time for such observances other than kids stuck on their phones all day? I totally get why Oceano chose to give up. In a planet where everything is now a dire, high stakes, no win situation, its just easier to peace out. And im saying this as a queer nonbinary woman. This planet needs to fucking chill.
somehow i dont hear anything on fining that girl who faked her ID. so people now can fake their ID and ruin other people's live just like that??? what a fucking ugly and shitty this world is......
That is indeed the world we live in. Someone can commit fraud on you and you are supposed to "just know". Someone can make an accusation about you and with no evidence a group of people will assume you did exactly what the accusation is and all the while the person making the accusation can bask in the limelight of our victim centric society where we have made victimhood something to aspire too for social media cred, money and fame OR they can just slink back into the unknown watching with a cackle at the damage they have caused. When you read back through history realize, this thing in people that wants to lash out without evidence is why things like the Salem Witch Trials were a thing in the first place. Its the exact same mental headspace.
Exactly! Like what are people suppose to do? Make people do lie detector tests and a full 6 week long background check into their entire lives before interacting with them?
@@danowarhealy6890 also. if people are just interacting about music WHO GIVES A FULYING FUCK ABOUT HOW OLD THEY ARE? i chatted with a 12 year old who was inspired by me to play an instrument. i was pleasantly surprised that someone can be inspired by me. we chatted like 3 hours. i had to answer so many questions about instruments and overall music. the saddest part about this that as i guitarist i inspired the kid to play bass :D:D:D:D:D he is 17 yeas old now and he is my friend. i don;t see anything wrong with sharing musical experiences and teaching kids to play music, live and love life. some people would call me a pedo. but just because they are pussies, not that i am a pedo :D another example. my wife is 26. i am 34... am i a pedo??? when i was 18 she was 10. met her when she was 19 and i was 27. i cannot even compare myself to Di Caprio... at 45 years old havin 21 year old wife....
I have 2 things on this video... First, i love the editing and the whole information, its always easy to understand even dont knowing nothing Second, internet is, and always will be a shitshow, dont matter if u support, know or even talk about something, at one moment, someone or some group of people will hate u and go nuts on everything u do or say. Adam saying he quits is understandable, i would have do the same...
What some people may fail to realize, especially those living in the Twitter cesspool, is that not everyone does a moral-check before listening to a band, or for that matter searching a band up at all. Music is still music and since the dawn of spotify it's easier than ever to get to listen to new bands without ever knowing who they are, what they do etc. I mean it's like a individualized MTV. I get my recommendations and I press like if I do in fact like a song, which in turn will usually result in me getting more music of the band, which is when I'll likely read the name once and then forget about it again until other songs make it into my playlists. Controversy is something you either get through bigger news outlets, if you even consume them, through actively looking for it, or if mainstream media catches on and it blows up big time. I, and pretty much everyone I know in real life, simply doesn't do background checks or care for the individuals in a band. I won't look up anything until I realize that band x has been in my feed quite often, but even then I rather go on their spotify band page to specifically look up all their albums and give a dedicated listen through. This cultist behavior of following and checking upon the individuals is something I consider a thing of pop culture, not metal culture. I'm not a fan of the individuals, but the band. couldn't even say the name of the AC/DC singer without googling it, let alone some fringe band that plays a style I may not even listen to. If I don't see it in mainstream news/outlets or here, I will simply never know. Like the Rammstein stuff for example, that has been dragged through every media outlet around here, but even then, I was about 5 weeks behind when I got the news. With As I Lay Dying I got to know all the stuff pretty much through the As I Broke Up debacle in the last weeks. Sometimes I may find out something because I wanna know if there's something new coming from a band, google them and then sit there like **surprised pikachu face**. Lost Prophets was like that for me, too. Didn't find them on spotify, started to rip the CDs I have to have them on my PC and while doing that looked up what became of them. got very surprised and disgusted. Would I stream, and give them money through it, today? Absolutely not. Do I listen to the albums I paid for over a decade ago? Yeah, absolutely. It already financed them. Not listening does nothing except tzhat I can't listen to songs that were and are an important part of my youth. There's only so much time in life and going fanboy stalker is something I don't have the time or will for. I just checked my spotify if I have some Attila or Dealer stuff in my liked songs, which I had, one for each, not enough to actually know their names. I threw them both out. It's about how people deal with things when they find out, not when others know about it. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth when the twitter cesspool seems to think because they know something, everyone else has to, too. Even if they are somewhat within the industry. If Twitter isn't your hobby or part of your job, it's quite easy to never get to know anything that makes the news there. I also don't know Oceana, sooo nothing really lost to me here, but on a principal level, having people leave a band or a band breaking up because they didn't know something some other people did or do to it's full extend, or at all, that's something I really don't like. Thanks for reading my TED talk.
People really do need to get off social media like X or BlueSkly or Reddit or what-have-you for a least a year. I think everyone in the world would actually calm the fuck down if that happened and we'd see a considerable improvement in everyone's mental health.
I got falsely reported and got banned from X so I haven't used social media for 18 months, realizing the modern metal scene is full of pussies and I don't know if I even want to be a part of it anymore
in saying this, i was drinking at a show so my memory could be false but i will still say what i believe happened. i went to a show with Oceano on the lineup 6ish years ago and was super excited to see them because the other time i saw them i got a bloody nose and was taken outside by security so they could make sure i was okay. once the show was over and people were clearing out, i saw adam at a merch booth for another band, waiting in line to purchase something. i went up to him and said great show and asked for a picture kind of abruptly. with all smiles he agreed, waited for me to fumble with my phone to get the pic. he took it with all smiles, i thanked him for a great show then left. besides him being patient and cool with me, the guy was literally acting like he was a fan at the show, in line buying merch instead of trying to get something for free from another band. one of the nicest guys in a band i very much like that ive ever encountered.
People are selective on who to Hate Aerosmith had such reputation and there is no hate on that There is a RHCP incident similar to the dealer situation Falling in Reverse you mentioned have the same allegations People hate anyone if it was either of the 2 bands on tour with any artist there will be no hate for this reason
Adam Is Such A Great Guy, I met him at Their Tour with VCTMS, To The Grave, & Signs Of The Swarm!! He’s Such a Dope Dude and Invited me Backstage at That show and It was Amazing!! His Statement was Shocking and Shook Me Quite a Bit. I Completely understand Adam and Why He Quit. The Metal Scene Can Be Ruthless, Be Careful!
I saw Attila with Born of Osiris earlier this year, never saw Attila before then and Fronz was basically bragging on stage like a teenager that they couldn't do the Canadian dates on tour because the band is all Felons. The allegations just make sense with someone who has a party boy attitude 24/7.
So I’ve been following your channel for a while now and I had no idea you worked at Mojoe’s. My band used to play there all the time back in the day. I knew you looked slightly familiar! Love the channel and great video dude.
The whole Fronz thing... yeah, I can believe him on that. The fact that nothing happened legally and he fessed up to what happened and explained it, I can totally believe his explanation. I don't think he's in the wrong there, at least... not enough to warrant thinking he's a shitty person. Sleeping with fans is still kinda fucked up, but I don't think it warrants a cancellation and he did everything he could to try to make sure all was good. Keep in mind, though... I know nothing of Fronz outside of the accusations. I don't listen to his band's music, I don't follow him at all. All I know about him is the allegation. The AIDAN situation, though... that's harder for me. There's way too many things lining up there for me to give him the benefit of the doubt there. I'm not sure how I feel about it. This whole situation definitely sucks though... I understand people's anger towards not wanting someone who's really sketchy in a tour, but it's also not your tour. Just don't go.
as someone who has also gotten rid of my social media, i miss out on a lot of this and dont hear about it til you put a video out. ive just listened to bands and made playlists over the past few years, cause thelove of core is dead.
Nah, the internet bullied that man into quitting his band. The only thing this drama is doing is making Attila and Dealer more famous. Fuck the scene that bullied Adam. Internet bullying is literally verbal abuse. So, who's abusive now? And I don't listen to Oceano (they're talented, but not my cup of tea). God I hate the internet sometimes. Edit: these comments are not aimed towards the uploader. Just the bullies.
I first met Adam in Connersville when they were recording their debut. That band is full of some of the kindest coolest dudes I've ever met. I believe him. I am so very sad to see them lay it down over this.
I don't think this is sole reason he left. Adam has been sort of all over the place with the band lately. I just think this was the final straw, and I get it. I don't have any social media myself. I don't believe humans are programed to be hive minded.
I hate the fact that every facet of the music industry has its own stereotypes to the point where if accusations come out against someone, most of the time, i can honestly say "yeah doesnt surprise me". Adam's right. Everyone in the scene shares responsibility for the overall culture and i hope we can get past this kind of shit as a community. That being said there's shitty people everywhere you go. Social media makes it easier than ever to get to the truth but also easier than ever to misrepresent that truth and twist it to fit a narrative
Welp, the internet outrage machine keyboard warriors got what they wanted. They can pat themselves on the back and have a massive circle jerk with each other while regaling each other with platitudes.
I discovered Oceano in the last year and this is making me sad to hear. I was shamed out of liking metal and I’ve been revisiting it for the last couple years as an adult and I really enjoyed Oceano’s discography
Eh... Dude had nothing to do with the abusive guys. And if he has a family... and plays music at home... why should he know about all that shit? Not everyone spends so much time online. I didnt even know about the Atilla thing ... but im not a fan of the band. So i dont care to read shit about them. Dont care about trying to hunt down drama. So his manager probably knew... tho... probably didnt do his job. Its just not the dude from the bands problem. Idk... Its not their problem. People shouldnt be going after them. Go after the guilty parties... if theyre guilty that is ... i mean... Are they actually guilty? Idk. Dont care... but people have to stop being such bullies and canceling everything. Music scene fucking sucks no matter what. Might as well just stop all concerts all shows everything. Just do nothing anymore. Fuck it all. Just only do streaming or some garbage. Lol. Just a few years so people can learn how to act. Both ways. Bleh.
14:20 ive been a fan of attila and had no idea about those accusations lol i dont really pay attention to anything but the music, im just saying that people like me exist. Dude probably shouldve known since hes a part of the industry but yeah, me personally, i had no idea about Franz.
I'm the same way I'm on the internet constantly in the metal scene and I don't hear anything about accusations I only hear the bs release of band members on political views and other bs reasons so I can understand how someone can not hear about it but again he is in the middle of the industry so who knows
The Spiritbox thingy was definitely their fans. Denying Spiritbox, that at the time wasn't very big, the opportunity to get massive publicity and earn money is disgusting at best. Also judging people on rumours is disgusting and thank God defamation lawsuits are in the works. Look what benefit Stp have had since they joined the FIR tour, they are Lorna big now due to the simple fact that people not in the scene got exposed to them trough that tour and trough Alex's part in Ronald. Too sad Spiritbox, as a small band then, had too soft a spine to stand up for themselves. Now the fans know they own them. Look at what fans did with the Bad Omens European tour...They didn't officially break up but have we seen them since? They only will appear as a support for the one Linkin Park support and then go back home. Trust me, Bad Omens is done for and it's all because of the fans.
Alternative, spiritbox are doing just fine and don't need to ride on the coat tails of a piece of shit to achieve success. They're sitting at 2.9 million listeners a month (which is double slaughter to prevails, which I think is hilarious), they're not exactly a small band clamoring for an opportunity. Fan pressure aside, I believe them dropping out was ultimately a good thing, and it's clear if there was any adverse effects, sure wasn't anything noticeable.
As someone who avoids social media for mental health reasons I completely understand Adam’s point.
As someone who does the same, sticking our heads in the sand and covering our ears yelling lalalala to these sorts of things gives predators and assholes a platform to continue their bad behavior and is not excusable. I hate that Adam got brought down like this, but it's our responsibility to create the supportive safe environment we want. It fucking sucks that people suck.
@@bmar764 "It fucking sucks that people suck." well said^^
@@bmar764nobody is in denial, some people just don’t know because they have lives outside of the internet. People assuming everyone knows everything they know and assuming the worst of people is the opposite of being kind and empathetic.
@@eh39292 I'm saying we can't live in denial and claim to be kind and empathetic. I'd argue giving money, time, and space to people like Dealers' and Attilas' vocalists is the opposite of kind and empathetic, regardless of our prior knowledge. I'm as defeatist as Adam is about ethics in society, it sucks.
@@bmar764 I'm not talking about being kind and empathetic to people who have done terrible things. I'm talking about being kind to people who merely *do not have the knowledge* about these things happening. Instead of dogpiling on them, take them aside and explain what is going on like an adult. The way people act online makes me think they are unhappy and are looking for an excuse to be mean to someone while acting like they're doing something positive in the name of social justice. It's sick.
"it all started on twitter" that sums it up
its the court, judge, and jury 😂
Yup, about 1 min in i was like, this sounds like fake twitter outrage, cancel culture bullshit. It’s mentally ill people spending all their time online trying to ruin other people for nothing. Remember people, you’re not responsible for anyone but yourself, guilt by association is not real.
This started because atilla had a rapist in the band while their lyrics were all about rape. People voicing their opinions about it on twitter got a band broken up? Maybe it's the band's fault
@@jankington216 Dumbass did you not listen the band with the abusers are still together the only band without abusers quit what are you talking about Attila and Dealer both have terrible abusers in it. Oceano has done nothing like that but shmucks like you blame the only decent people on that tour listen next time cannot even believe you watched this and did not even know what bands had Abusers and the one band that did not.
@@jankington216 I'd disagree and again Fronz did ID that one person who LIED about her age which is a crime in itself and Aidan he's unfamiliar to me so I can't really form an opinion on that
I can be witness and account for Adam (Oceano). They stopped by my home town 2 times each time I have been there. First time I messaged Adam on Instagram saying I’d bring the band some food from my home town because his favorite food at the time was Burritos. Brought him and the band some before the show. Was the most humble, honest, down to earth human. We all hung out for a bit, talked some shit, and had a good time. Out of all the bands I’ve met or known Oceano has always been overlooked.
The band and Adam don’t deserve all the hate or bs coming their way right now.
This is all just bs drama. Who gives a flying fuck at all. It makes the music suck when all these drama queens don’t stop bickering and bitching
Yeah the whole scene is just too sensitive definitely understandable where Adam is coming from and I can't blame him
@@horrorking1000 I don't think it's "too" sensitive to be appalled by SA.
@@horrorking1000 he literally quit because people were telling him about the other bands accusations and to drop off. well some were assholes about it, but my point stands
@heavenly2k then youre a moron. Because yes it is. If someone's criminal case causes you that much stress, you are absolutely too sensitive. And you're a cry baby.
Did oceano do anything? No? Then leave them alone. Theyre just trying to make money. They have to live. So leave them alone.
I don't really know much about any of the bands mentioned, but I definitely feel for Adam from Oceano. It was a crappy situation for him and it's a shame that it ended up as it did. I wish him the best in his future endeavors.
I consider myself a long term metalhead, and I had no idea until this video about Atilla and any of the controversy surrounding them. I even spend most of my time on the internet and still managed to not hear anything about it. So it's not impossible for someone like Adam to not have known about Atilla and Dealer's problems.
Hmm interesting I was like how can you not know that Fronz is a polarizing person, if you are a literal Metalcore band but on the other Hand if I work with somebody I at least look at all the companies or people I want to work with.
I see where you’re coming from but also I think someone involved in the same area of business for years would’ve probably heard something for sure. People talk, a lot
same, were normal lol because in reality who gives a fuck about any of that shit?
I'm probably halfway there. I was aware of Attila and Fronz and that a fair amount of people didnt like them, but to the extent of this? I was surprised to see.
@kingdro I don't like attila enough to look into their history. I think they sound terrible. Didn't know about their history until recently and now I have a bigger reason to dislike them
People are very selective with their outrage. Will Ramos is friends with Fronz and works with him and I don’t hear people up in arms about it
Bout time, someone else said something on this.
Like Adam/Oceano hadn't even done anything besides being on a poster, yet with that corny Deathcore super group, there are photos of some of the biggest vocalists in the scene with Fronz and that gets a pass by the same crowd?
Didn't fronz quit that group shortly after it got announced?
I mean everybody has forgotten that James Gunn is/was best friends with Jimmy Urine because hollywood told everybody not to worry about it and look the other way so...
Yeah, he did, but everyone is flaming Adam for not doing research or googling bands or whatever.
All those dudes hung out together, there are photos together, etc. Some are friends and associates.
I'm more confused that Adam/Oceano has been dragged through the mud and being painted with the same brush, yet it only got to being a few days of being on a tour poster and exploding, however the others were hanging out, all g.
Will is friends with him? Are you serious?!
After watching this whole thing....KUDOS to Adam. We have booked various packages with Oceano on them throughout the years. ALWAYS the nicest dude on every package. Would even help kids out with fitness stuff out back when he was working out. This is sad, but should be a wake-up call. Did other band members need to take their feelings public and start the outcry? I would be willing to bet Adams number is in their phones, why not reach out to someone known as the nicest guy on a tour package and have a conversation. This honestly changed my opinion of the others involved. This has become such a vicious time its honestly terrifying.
Nah. Something tells me if he couldn't do a simple Google search to learn if any of these bands had controversies this bad, something tells me he wouldn't just "belive" his "friends" texting him outta the blue. He wanted this to work out.
@@Ramonatho add to that he was dismissive of the whole siituation calling it "internet things" until he was dogpiled.
@@sandy120It is 'internet things' and you people are nuts
@@nolovedrjones9668 Everyone likes a good conspiracy, right? Who needs gossip magazines nowadays when the internet is free to start drama yourself?
@@Ramonatho It's called being profesionnal and doing your job. Do you seriously search through all your colleagues socials? cause i sure as hell don't. Don't know a thing about my colleagues and don't need to.
The biggest issue in the deathcore community is that a lot of the time we are focused too much on drama, and not enough on art. Adam Warren is one of the kindest people I've ever met in my life. My band has opened for Oceano before and he watched my band play, shouted my band out on stage, and always treated me as an equal. He even did guest vocals on one of our songs and was incredibly patient with us and always willing to communicate despite his busy schedule.
I didnt know shit about either of the bands that had accusations. I don't listen to or follow them or the rumor mill . But attacking the one band that doesn't have accusations is just wild
Same. I have no clue why everyone expects him to know every detail of every band. Sounds like a witch hunt to me. 😑
Same. I have no idea who Dealer is. I know of Attila, but I had no idea about the SA allegations. People should realize that there are many people who are multifaceted. I don't have the time to know every situation with every metal band and stay on top of the other things that interest me
That’s what bothers me the most - people enjoying the witch hunt of innocent, unwitting, and - by all accounts - great people. And for what?
@@JJSFC I think it's a power thing. People just love to see others break and grovel for their forgiveness.
Who you associate with is your choice and says a lot about you
Well dang. I was soooo stoked when I found out Oceano got back together!!
I wish Adam the best!
This shit is so fucking stupid. Who the fuck randomly googles people they don't know? Adam had zero obligation to snoop on the internet to find every info on every band or dude on the tour. Fans make me fucking sick at this point, wishing Adam the best.
Adam is a good dude. Metal fans are unbearable in 2024.
I'm gonna be pedantic. Internet Metal fans are unbearable in 2024.
I'll be pedantic the other way. Metal fans are unbearable more often than not.
@@milkwalkerjones633 I disagree. Metal fans IRL tend to be pretty good people that don't talk drama too often.
Newer* metal fans are unbearable
@@pestilent1this is the only answer
That’s such bullshit. Oceano was mounting a heavy ass comeback.
This has been heartbreaking to watch unfold, I absolutely adore Oceano and I've met Adam and he's the lovliest dude ever.
Best band ever it’s a shame cancel culture won’t leave them alone.
Social media is vile.
Last year and the years before i was at my lowest point and it played a part to a nasty breakup with someone i was very close to be engaged to. My world fell apart when that ended and i was always unhappy.
I quit social media after the break up and a year later in finally in a happy place and to top it off i finally quit my old dead end job for a good paying serious job.
I also quit smoking weed and got out this nasty cycle of mind numbing things. I use to smoke a minimum of 10 joints a day to bring completely sober.
It’s a far cry for some but for me social media and being stuck in a cycle from making necessary changes go hand in hand.
I will never return to that disgusting world because i prefer to live in the real world again.
Reminds me of my youth when there was no internet or mobiles for children.
I mean, some people just aren't online like others are. I had never heard of Dealer until this video. Had no idea about their singer and the accusations. And I've been a part of the metalcore/deathcore scene for almost 15 years now. Other than their name and knowing that people didn't like them, I knew nothing about Attila. So yeah, I don't find it hard to believe at all that Adam wasn't in the know on some of this stuff. I do agree with Tank that he probably should have been, but none of what these other people have allegedly done should fall on him. I get where he's comin from, and feel kinda bad.
I don't find it weird that he didn't initially know. But it's basic due diligence to just do the bare minimum effort to see what they are about so it's shocking to me that they either didn't do that or did, found out and hoped no one would notice.
I'm leaning towards the second though just because of the "As a man of God" statement he started with initially. That is a textbooks case of "I knew what I did was wrong but I hoped to get away with it" statement.
@@IkLms11couldn't have said it better myself
As you get older, your focus hones in more to only the things you really need to work on. It's not anyone's job to try to keep abreast of all sorts of random things that other entities are doing, just on the off chance you may deal with them some day. So no, he shouldn't have just known because he shares a characteristic with someone (being in a band). Now, if there's a reputation, and you find out about something, and then make a decision, that makes sense. But to be a little SJW and try to read someone for simply not knowing something is mentally retarded.
Why the fuck are people mad at anyone in a band, and not the labels and promoters and management that get these bands on shows? If Attila and Dealer are such problems - why haven't their labels dropped them? Why aren't they blacklisted by tour managers and venues etc? How does this fall on the shoulders of the singer of another band?
Why are you assuming that any fans have the power to get them blacklisted? Also, the answer to all those questions are that the bands make the label and promoter a lot of money. That's why. I agree they shouldn't be getting mad at Oceano. But let's not pretend that a label would do the right thing if it hurts the bottom line.
It’s the same reason Tank said, if money is to be made, the business is gonna do whatever they need to do to make that money. They don’t stand on the morals we do
@adoramay9410 i don't think you understand how live music works. Your manager and publicist entire jobs are making sure you look good and don't do anything to put you in a bad spotlight. I've fired managers for looking at making money instead of keeping my band from playing with white supremacists.
“why haven’t their labels dropped them” is crazy because the label is ran by Attila and has Dealer fully signed. They know what they’re doing.
@@gzbuddy Attila is independent bud.
First Adam leaving Oceano and today Jason left Ingested.... Dude what the duck is up with November
I guess they are hallucinating and thinking they're all in AILD.
Dude honestly like wtf !!
@chrisgonz19 exactly what I thought
wait what
@0owmjapo0 Jason and the band announced today that they parted ways
Adam is right in what he says in regards to his criticism about the music scene. It's valid and extremely true. There is a lot wrong with the metal scene nowadays and in many ways I don't blame him for calling it quits. He was probably burnt out already.
With that in mind though, Tank makes a great point. You need to know who you do business transactions with in this business. That is probably one of the best pieces of advice out there. That's the only critique I would have for Adam. Outside of that, I have meet Adam a few times. He is a very kind man and he has done a lot for this scene. I wish him the best.
This is also a learning lesson for people who manage bands. You got to do your homework and research. In today's insane world, due diligence is essential
nah I dont have to do research into personal bs not involved with me, thats a personal problem. Find a tree and make yourself an ornament
metal scene is full of trashy females and smooth brain males that might think they're female
People put celebrities on pedestals and get upset when they discover they don't shit rainbows.
That's not a dig at Adam, just a reminder that the man is human. He can't be expected to know everything about everyone all the time, so this bizarre indignant outrage leveled at him just boggles my mind. Add me to the list of people that had no idea about this controversy. I will say I'm pretty bummed about this turn of events since I only recently discovered Oceano. People suck.
Cancel culture and cyberbullying at its finest. Social media was/is a mistake. To watch metal devolve into this, whatever this is, is pathetic and lame.
@@jamesthomasjr9911 social media is great. You get to see society for exactly what it is, and the reality that the average person on this planet is a mindless puppet unable to critically think for themselves and simply parrot what others say. But yeah… I don’t swim in that cess pool either.
@@Wyl7 You posted a comment on TH-cam. You are on social media. To claim otherwise is a sign of media illiteracy.
You're not above anybody on other platforms, morally.
@@henrygvidonas9573 granted you can’t see facial expressions or hear tone of voice in a post, but the bit about not being on social media was pure sarcasm.
@@henrygvidonas9573 Notice I didn't say anything about not being on social media, just that it was and is a mistake.
I don’t blame Adam from walking away, I would do the exact same. The world right now is riddled with self righteous losers doing nothing other than tearing others down over internet BS
I really do feel for Adam from Oceano here...He has basically been dragged across the coals for trusting his management and wanting to play a tour....The fact that everyone keeps saying that he should know about the REPs of every band he thinks of touring with is such a generalisation....Unless the band is made up of Varg Vikernes, Ian Watkins and Tim Lambesis there is a chance of people not knowing the reputation of every member.
Even now I only recognise Tim's name of those 3, so I wouldn't be surprised in this metal scene where shitting on bands is commonplace that something genuinely bad publicity-wise would take place
@@TeckTheBlooded Ian Watkins is a convicted child molester and CSAM collector, serving 35 years in prison. He is currently 10 years in. Used to be the vocalist of Lostprophets.
Varg Vikernes was the bass player for Mayhem. He killed Mayhems guitar player Euronymus and burnt churches. He served a 21 year sentence, but was let out after 16 years. Also happens to be a raging racist.
@@TeckTheBlooded I feel bad for black metal musicians. That scene is teeming with shitty and sketchy individuals. And, yes, there is touring drama all the fucking time.
Ya know I think I could comfortably work with Varg. His arrest was on a different degree of violence
@@TeckTheBlooded Amazingly, of those 3 Tim is easily the least shitty.
Fandom across all mediums is getting out of hand
Since the internet has been around it’s been out of hand
Exactly! It quite literally getting to a point that it can’t actually sustain itself this way. Can you imagine in 10 years whenever the bar for being cancelled is even lower…half the people were talking about will be cancelled based on something they said in 2019…in 2032
It be a bit of a cluster fuck
Honestly, nothing really gatekeeps itself. Fandom grifters (primarily far-left ones) will move onto the next host and kill it, the social clout and validation matters more to them than the actual work in question. You'll have random games that blow up for no discernible reason on social media now, and people will consume it (and generally still hate it) because they want to be in on the current thing.
We're in a day and age where game developers get death threats sent to them for daring to stick up for fanartists that get death threats from people in their community. It's absolutely tiring. Reddit's existence, how moderation works (essentially if you don't kowtow to their strict guidelines, they will replace the subreddit moderators with ones without the community's best interests in mind), and the brigading (for example, with gaming, especially from places like r/GamingCirclejerk) doesn't help matters.
Honestly, social media was a mistake.
Facts
i think Adam's responses were totally understandable. the internet is a VAST place, and people post fragments of the whole all over the place, so in order to keep things in check with due-diligence, there is almost a need to be chronically online to find the whole story of band member X or drama Y. it's totally overwhelming.
"i don't know the tea cuz i'm not on the internet that much to spend more time with my family and solo project" is NOT a crazy response.
Yes it is. He entered into a business agreement. Knowing who youre doing business with is literally a bare minimum standard.....
@jleighwolfe you people are annoying af
@@jleighwolfe so every person has to take part in their band as a business and not art? I'm a musician and wouldnt do that so this is just simply untrue. Not everyone is chronicly online, especially people that got other things to do. And even if this was the case, its pretty easy to overlook, I wouldnt even think about googling other bands for potential contraversy cos not everybody uses social media that much. Asuming that everybody should is kinda ridiculous. I wouldnt even know of attila contraversy if it wasnt for youtube comments, which I just happened to read. Am I and others naive and not paying attention? Maybe. People are like this sometimes, imperfect.
@@jleighwolfe cry to someone who cares
The difference here is that we're talking about a legendary band entering a tour. Even if Adam himself wouldn't check everything, which is totally fair, I would assume there are other people doing that for him. I'm not in the music business myself but I think I'd like to know if someone has some controversy around them before working together with them, because of situations like this or because those people are the types I don't want to be around. And sure, you can't be in the know of everything. That's totally fine. But with bands as big as Atilla it's pretty hard to miss.
The last part of Adam's statement reads almost like this is just announcing a split that was already in the works. Or at least one that had been considered
Loving your video production! Definitely improving your skills in editing. Great job man!
Sad that a good man was har ranged out of the business. A business that needs more people like him in it.
Harangued?
Met Adam at a preshow merch sale one time back during the Contagion tour. He was a really cool dude and was pretty chill. He gave me a free shirt of the new design they just made and he signed it for me. I was so happy to see them coming back, this is really sad honestly.
I can't blame the dude for being tired of the terminally online drama. I had no idea about most of this drama I just saw him announce that he was done and retiring from the band
My guess is, Adam probably had an idea about Fronz, but didn’t know how mad fans would get and wasn’t sure how deep it all went. And he also said that Dealer wasn’t even part of the tour when he agreed to it, and likely trusted his own circle to tell him if they were a problem after they got added.
Yeah. I'm not buying the fact that he didn't know about Attila. I'm an attila fan, but it's past allegations from my understanding that we're proven false. I remember that exact case. The girl admitted she lied about hwr age in a statement. Anyways, the dealer thing, yeah maybe. In all honesty, it just seems slightly like a publicity thing since Adam admitted Oceano was going to break up anyway even if they had a new album.
The fact he admitted he didn't know much of what was happening in the scene takes courage. Most people are afraid of saying they don't know something. I definitely didn't know all this, but I also don't consider myself huge into the music scene period. I pop Pandora on and if I like a song that pops up, I give it a thumbs up. I agree with Adam that the managers/agents should not be hyping up bands with problematic members
I can’t speak for Fronz of Attila, but Aidan is definitely a POS. He’s been in our scene for many years, even before Alpha Wolf in a band called Enfield. These allegations against him are the only ones that have become public, but there have been many more before that - Including child abuse, mental and physical abuse.
He’s well connected so continues to remain relevant unfortunately, but he’s been blacklisted in Australia and would dare not tour here.
I've been following Fronz for a while and he seems okay. The thing with the allegations have already been proven false, and I can't imagine how he feels getting tricked to doing stuff with someone underaged because they lied about their age.
@@BeefCakeOfficialThat's the craziest thing to me. People are mad at Oceano for being involved with Attila when Fronz was proven innocent. Aiden is a different story but the Fronz thing blows my mind and is the reason I don't indulge in metal fandoms or any fandoms for that matter. There's too much virtue signaling and battling for moral superiority.
@@dantelan-i-er5466 like I'm a fan of Ronnie, and all the "allegations" towards him have been proven false multiple times yet fans gaslit spiritbox into dropping from a tour because they were gonna be touring with fir. At the end of the day, why can't we just enjoy music.
@@BeefCakeOfficial Exactly! It's infuriating. I just want to enjoy music. It doesn't seem like people are in it for the music anymore.
This sucks to hear.
I liked Dealer's music, and it got me through a really hard time in my life 4 years ago. Disappointed to hear Aiden is a piece of shit because I liked his vocals.
Adam is also leaving As I Lay Dying
Not everyone is terminally online and knows every piece of drama, except those that are terminally online and seek out every piece of drama.
It's very weird people keep framing sexual assault as terminally online drama. I reject your premise
And those who throw away their and their bandmates careers over online drama.
I just discovered Adam like a week ago and was really interested to look up his and Oceano music, seen some videos with him talking, singing and screaming.. I was blown away what a gem the guy is. And few day after this "drama" happens, it's really sad to look how good people losing over a some dumbasses that did some stupid stuff and now it's everybody's problem... really unfortunate
Wish best for Adam in his future and thanks Tank for content!
I think Tank provides an excellent balanced discussion on these issues. Its the kind of analysis that is so often lacking in these hyper polarised times.
Thanks for commenting on this, Tank. We appreciate what you do and the value you provide to the community.
I had no idea about Fronz's allegations. I thought people just hated him for his character like Fred Durst
I think management should be responsible for looking up issues with bands on the same tour. Not everybody wants to jump online and Google other people. From a business sense, the people responsible for the business/bands best interest and PR, etc, needs to step up. Blaming Adam for not doing research on a band or person in case there is a looming issue is putting responsibility on the wrong person/entity. Some people don't want to do this or feel like they should. Just saying it "takes 2 seconds to look this up" may be true but again, there are some of us who just don't feel like this should be a necessary step to being a part of a lineup/tour. My 2 cents with this. It's a shame Adam is leaving Oceano as a result of this - or what looks like the result of this issue. He is an excellent singer with a unique sound/delivery.
Agree! Sorry for Adam in this situation.
I'm blaming whoever booked Oceano on the tour. Adam seems to be an artist who just wants to fucking do music and be left in peace, and honestly also pretty naive when it comes to the internet and perception of these kinda things. I absolutely believe him that he didn't have the feintest clue and would have expected to be informed about something like that. So whoever was responsible for the booking must know Adam, and therefore should absolutely 100% know that he needs to do his job right, research the bands on tour, and give Adam a freaking rundown before signing anything.
I am also 100% sure that some, if not many, of the people who complained most vocally didn't know ANY of the stuff about Attila or Dealer, probably didn't even know the bands (at least not Dealer), but saw an uproar flair up and decided that they have to jump on the wagon and spread hate. It's just the fucking world we live in, especially on social media, and it's frustrating and sad, and I can fully understand Adam being defeated and just resigning from it all.
This is the most press Oceano has ever had
Nah. Depths had a ton of hype. Band couldn't get the live show together back then so the band fizzled out.
bless adam. one of the best and nicest guys ive ever had the pleasure of meeting and seeing. an Oceano show was a sight to behold, no matter if they were headlining or not, Adam steals the show with his vocal presence.
I met Adam once at a show and he had a drink with me and my fiancé. He was so nice! Its a shame that he got attacked like this. If you think about it he got bullied, and that is also not okay.
off topic but I highly recommend the existential movie SUNSHINE 2007.
I believe everyone should watch it. Especially with their significant other.
Crazy to find out Tank worked at Mojoes right down the street from my house
Oceano came through my crappy town in Michigan in like 07-08 and played a church basement. Been a fan ever since.
@TankTheTech You summarized this very well. Personally I appreciate all the points you made, they're all valid.
Quick story --- On and off over the years I've been involved in booking local music shows. A few years ago I asked a band to play a venue and they declined the offer. One of the members called me personally (meaning off the record) and said the real reason the band declined the offer was due to the fact that the rest of the band members were uncomfortable with some political statements made by the venue owner.
He respected me enough to tell me the truth knowing I would never say a word about it to the owner or anyone else in the music scene (which I never did) and that he wanted to be clear it did not mean he would not being willing to book shows at other venues. In turn I respected him for telling me the truth and he booked other shows with me at other venues.
While it is not the exact same situation that you discussed in this video. I thought it would be a good parallel story to your point of doing due diligence.
Be well and if you have thoughts on this story I'd love to hear them if you have time to reply. 🤘
As someone that’s recently had the chance to work with Adam, he’s a gem and I’m pumped to release what he’s helped us on.
It was a few weeks ago that we connected, and even then he was talking about how he loved his solo stuff and wanted to pursue something bigger than “Metal”.
No doubt he will bounce back from this.
@26:20 perhaps not, but the Australian scene will always be outspoken about dealer and Aiden and it's to the point that dealer can't even play a show in their own backyard
I'm honestly curious, did you and the Electric Callboy team discuss Nothing More's lead singer drama before they got added to the more recent tours? I imagine that was difficult to assess/manage given the initial information that came out from the court case and then the unofficial reporting that came out later after Jonny and his ex broke up.
holy shit, he tried to run his ex gf over with a car lol guess not
@@XvXMONSTERXvX that's the headline read, but the full story is of course more complicated (lying, drinking, abuse by her on him that went unreported/uncharged, etc). But yes, Jonny ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor charge and got probation + fines.
Anyone else notice how all the middle school-level drama in the music scene is ALWAYS from metalcore / core scene?
You finally see why we always saw them as pu$$y metal 😊
Yea because it's entry level metal for teens
@ right
The twitter bot band members who flamed Adam should be ashamed and disgusting at themselves. This is honestly a prime reason why I don't associate with any sector of the metal "community". It's full of snakes, bad actors, and abusers of various kinds. Nothing positive to be found in that shit hole "community"
He's been done for a hot minute.
This was just the straw that broke the camel's back
I'm going to come out as the business oriented person here but the commonality of things like this happening calls into question the people being hired by bands to handle their business affairs. It is seen as sort of a rule of thumb that anytime an agreement is presented to a business; the business ALWAYS takes time to research the opportunity, who's providing that opportunity, and what potential risks are involved with agreeing. When a person or a company is presented with a contract; it's standard practice to have that contract reviewed by an expert. I can respect Adam's choice to limit his online habits but if their management didn't pull the band into a planning meeting regarding potential tours and the like; then, in my opinion, the band should have sought new representation. It seems to me that a lot of bands are hiring incompetent management and then facing backlash for poor decision making. That's my big take away; a lot more bands are being screwed by the people that they're hiring than the fans know. However, I find it also kinda dumb that Adam is having the reaction he is; if his band is decent and well behaved then they should have pulled back from the internet for a bit and allowed the shit talking to take it's course because it's temporary thing. That's just my opinion though.
Adam is a real man, which can't be said for all these iPad babies and cancel culture propagators. I don't blame him at all for wanting to quit the band after this because I'm the same kind of person having no clue what's going on in anyone else's life but my own. Tank, just because the internet exists now doesn't mean anyone is at all obligated to look up what other people in their industry might be up to even if they're signing on tour with them. Prior to the internet what would you say about bands touring with pedophiles? You probably wouldn't say anything because you'd have no idea the horrible things they did because you don't have the internet. I think you need to take a step back tank and look at it objectively
I feel like it's only been in recent years where anybody would consider it necessary to like Google the history of every band you're about to tour with. The internet truly is both a blessing and a curse.
I feel for Oceano man. They're just trying to get their name back out there, especially with the new album release. Just because bands tour together doesnt mean they associate. I hope people dont hate on them for shit that has nothing to do with them. They are some of the nicest and most genuine people who dont deserve any hate
I have several signatures from musicians tattooed on my arm, Adam Warren being one of them. I have spent several shows hanging out with him, and have followed his stream since he was BlaqMario. He is such a friendly and caring human being. It broke my heart when I saw that he was done with it.
Adam sounds like his connection to the band was already nearing a breaking point. It's telling that his big reaction isn't to leave the music industry or anything, it's just to...focus on his solo work. Sounds like something he's been wanting to do anyway, and people pushed him into it.
I really stand with Adam on this. I've been a metalhead for over 2 decades. But even I don't follow bands that closely. I genuily just listen to their music and watch a few interviews to get to know their creative minds.
I've seen Adam on Earths content. Such a talented dude, seems like a cool guy too.
As someone who is puposfully disconnected from the social media aspect of bands, and only focused on music. I kinda feel sad for adam.
As someone who also grew up in that same scene. Adam is a real one and 100% support everything he’s said. Our band used to play Mojoes all the time and would see Adam all the time. Maybe not as much when Oceano started taking off but he would always be around. I used to be in Mourning the Memory. Those were some fun times and best memories playing at Mojoes.
Dude, playing at Mojoes back in the day was so much fun. Pretty sure my band May This Day Perish played with you guys at some point
@@YooooArchwe def played together at one of the southside spots. Maybe Soundlab I believe.
@@mtmrob Yup! I bet we did. Sound Lab was another fun place to play in the Southside! JT Music too.
Great video Tank! Really enjoyed this one.
Sucks to hear about Oceano. I got a chance to photograph them back in 2016 when my band opened up for them with I think Mushroomhead as the headliner. I thought they sounded great. And I get where Adam is coming from. My life is so busy I don't have time to Google and keep up with every single band, but I think I'll learn from his mistakes and start doing this with any band we are offered to play with.
Funny how someone brought up the Spiritbox issue with Falling In Reverse. I live in a small area and big names don't come around. They were going to come here and I was pumped. I bought tickets just for Spiritbox and many other people did as well. To have them bullied off the tour was highly disappointing and I refused to listen to their music until about a month ago.
Depths changes my life, I’ve wore out 9 of there cds back in the day.
Heard you mention Mojo's! It's the forge now and I practically live there 😂😂😂 such great staff I've had the pleasure of making friends with over the years. That venue feels like a second home. ❤️
Yeah, I never worked at the one in Joliet pre-Forge days, but worked at Mojo‘s when it was in both Tinley and Orland.
I can't blame him for leaving, I'm in a few groups on Facebook and those dudes will straight up suck the fun out of a comment section over every little thing. It's why I don't associate with ANY of them and stick around ONLY to chance discovering a new band I haven't heard of. The music is the only reason I even have cursory dealing with the community, but the community itself is so unreasonably incendiary it can go to hell.
I think this really is a though one, as I absolutely go with Adam when he says he does not know stuff, but I also agree with everyone saying know who you're working with. I mean I had no idea about all this drama but then again I am more involved here in the European and especially German Melodic Death and Black Metal scene and even though I listen to pretty much all subgenres of metal including deathcore, I don't know shit about the deathcore scene. On the other hand, about the scene I am involved in I know a lot, especially both the local and Subgenre specific bands. And believe me the black metal scene is a very special minefield when it comes to controversies to be aware of. so I find it hard to believe those guys never heard of things happening within their specific scene at least.
First rule of leadership: everything is your fault.
Adam's response was 100% correct and the public is crazy. If u wanna be mad at them being able to perform, call the venues and sponsors. His responsibility is what he sees and does. Playing a show to fans and collecting a check for his family, while ensuring he will stop and speak out against any abuse he sees, does not constitute this hate at all.
Thank you Tank the tech for talking about this The industry needs to do better People need to Stop taking Frustrations out on bands.who Have nothing to do with the accusations I am glad you are talking about the music industry You
Are educating people and bringing stuff to their attention it is really good you do that
This makes me sad too :/
I still remember buying a 3 album pack that had Depths in it. That was my introduction to Oceano. Even got to see them live on the Scream It Like You Mean It tour with Acacia Strain. Always felt they were underrated. I feel bad for Adam and the group.
Is it safe to say -core is a problem?
Seems to be lol
No it's not, plenty of other issues in the metal scene outside the core genres. As always, individuals are the problem, not the scene or genre.
@@redduskironsky1058I never see this happen with the extreme genres of metal, just saying
@@redduskironsky1058 Too many in the -core scene tho, for the same gosh darned reason. I don't know, feels like a -core issue.
Correct.
I think a big reason that people were mad at Adam is because how vocal he ways about the Cj Mccreery situation and calling him out, but not doing the same for Attila or Dealer.
Wasn’t aware of any of that, and didn’t see anyone else bringing that up.
who gives a shit
That's because there was actual evidence where as in this situation it's just petty shit talking and dude was proven innocent via court which is as official as it gets it's all just petty bullshit and grown men acting like angsty teenagers on Twitter it's embarrassing and immature
Problem with your comment is that news medias blew up aftwr the CJ situation, especially since the band kicked him out over it. Attila just have allegations (I believe it's true) and the guy is in the band still after the allegations. Plus Lorna Shore is massive and getting lots of hype
Remember that he had said he was on a social media "high horse" for a while. Could've been during that time.
Adam has been looking for a reason to leave the scene since 2018. I dont blame him but this feels a bit overboard. Granted i dont know how him or the guys from Oceano roll or how often they get criticism or harassment.
I can get why. If he didnt know he didnt know but thats something that he should have been made aware of.
Sucks all around but excited for the 2025 shows and for Adams (hopefully soon) upcoming solo stuff.
Something to note with agents, agents have a specific legal part to them, managers might fall under this too. But an Agent is working for the band/artist in a legal sense, that means they are speaking on behalf of the band, so if it is their agent, they are responsible for what the agent does. The way this comes up most often is things like construction and logistics companies, employees are agents of the business (especially when acting for the business) and so when they are driving the company vehicle down the road with the company logos all over it, the business is responsible for when they crash, or get a DUI, the driver is often responsible as well, but that does not remove liabilities from the employer.
Here his agent probably should have informed them of this stuff, but they are responsible of holding their agent to that and should give them a warning and if that isn't enough a firing and find a new one.
Nothing against Adam personally, and I know a lot of people running smaller businesses do not understand these intricacies.
I feel so bad for Adam and he doesn’t deserve the backlash at all, however I also feel bad for oceano fans that weren’t trying to be malicious or anything, but instead just didn’t want to see there favorite band on a tour with Attila and Dealer so they made a comment about it about how upset they are about it without blaming Adam.
I remember messaging Adam in the mypsace days just to tell him how much I loved the band and he always made it a point to reply. Such a humble guy and a shame to see someone like him possibly leaving the scene.
The internet was the worst creation ever. It gave people power who otherwise wouldn’t say shit bc they are afraid to get punched in the face.
I dont like this culture we have where an innocent party is made to take on the crimes of someone else just because they booked a tour with them. Or choosing to still listen to a problematic music act makes you a rapist by association.
People just look for a socially acceptable outlet to get angry at and forget that theres a fellow human on the other end.
This is a big reason why i left the NYC metal community, rarely go to shows now and keep my spotify private.
I hate that every decision a human makes, from where to buy coffee to what one chooses to wear is fraught with political choice one might not know that they are making. Who has time to look up everything they use or consume for problematics? Its like when i was younger and you had to carefully look up what was kosher or not. Now we have to do the same to make sure we arent supporting genocide or a rapist. Who has time for such observances other than kids stuck on their phones all day?
I totally get why Oceano chose to give up. In a planet where everything is now a dire, high stakes, no win situation, its just easier to peace out.
And im saying this as a queer nonbinary woman. This planet needs to fucking chill.
somehow i dont hear anything on fining that girl who faked her ID. so people now can fake their ID and ruin other people's live just like that??? what a fucking ugly and shitty this world is......
That is indeed the world we live in. Someone can commit fraud on you and you are supposed to "just know". Someone can make an accusation about you and with no evidence a group of people will assume you did exactly what the accusation is and all the while the person making the accusation can bask in the limelight of our victim centric society where we have made victimhood something to aspire too for social media cred, money and fame OR they can just slink back into the unknown watching with a cackle at the damage they have caused.
When you read back through history realize, this thing in people that wants to lash out without evidence is why things like the Salem Witch Trials were a thing in the first place. Its the exact same mental headspace.
yeah men have also been r*ping women and children since the beginning of time. youre NOW starting to realise its an ugly and shitty world we live in?
Yea if anything he's a victim in that situation
Exactly! Like what are people suppose to do? Make people do lie detector tests and a full 6 week long background check into their entire lives before interacting with them?
@@danowarhealy6890 also. if people are just interacting about music WHO GIVES A FULYING FUCK ABOUT HOW OLD THEY ARE? i chatted with a 12 year old who was inspired by me to play an instrument. i was pleasantly surprised that someone can be inspired by me. we chatted like 3 hours. i had to answer so many questions about instruments and overall music. the saddest part about this that as i guitarist i inspired the kid to play bass :D:D:D:D:D he is 17 yeas old now and he is my friend. i don;t see anything wrong with sharing musical experiences and teaching kids to play music, live and love life. some people would call me a pedo. but just because they are pussies, not that i am a pedo :D another example. my wife is 26. i am 34... am i a pedo??? when i was 18 she was 10. met her when she was 19 and i was 27. i cannot even compare myself to Di Caprio... at 45 years old havin 21 year old wife....
Every scene has a band or artist that almost every artist you love, loves, but you never heard of. I have found they are always worth looking into.
I have 2 things on this video...
First, i love the editing and the whole information, its always easy to understand even dont knowing nothing
Second, internet is, and always will be a shitshow, dont matter if u support, know or even talk about something, at one moment, someone or some group of people will hate u and go nuts on everything u do or say. Adam saying he quits is understandable, i would have do the same...
What some people may fail to realize, especially those living in the Twitter cesspool, is that not everyone does a moral-check before listening to a band, or for that matter searching a band up at all. Music is still music and since the dawn of spotify it's easier than ever to get to listen to new bands without ever knowing who they are, what they do etc. I mean it's like a individualized MTV. I get my recommendations and I press like if I do in fact like a song, which in turn will usually result in me getting more music of the band, which is when I'll likely read the name once and then forget about it again until other songs make it into my playlists.
Controversy is something you either get through bigger news outlets, if you even consume them, through actively looking for it, or if mainstream media catches on and it blows up big time.
I, and pretty much everyone I know in real life, simply doesn't do background checks or care for the individuals in a band. I won't look up anything until I realize that band x has been in my feed quite often, but even then I rather go on their spotify band page to specifically look up all their albums and give a dedicated listen through. This cultist behavior of following and checking upon the individuals is something I consider a thing of pop culture, not metal culture. I'm not a fan of the individuals, but the band. couldn't even say the name of the AC/DC singer without googling it, let alone some fringe band that plays a style I may not even listen to.
If I don't see it in mainstream news/outlets or here, I will simply never know. Like the Rammstein stuff for example, that has been dragged through every media outlet around here, but even then, I was about 5 weeks behind when I got the news. With As I Lay Dying I got to know all the stuff pretty much through the As I Broke Up debacle in the last weeks.
Sometimes I may find out something because I wanna know if there's something new coming from a band, google them and then sit there like **surprised pikachu face**. Lost Prophets was like that for me, too. Didn't find them on spotify, started to rip the CDs I have to have them on my PC and while doing that looked up what became of them. got very surprised and disgusted. Would I stream, and give them money through it, today? Absolutely not. Do I listen to the albums I paid for over a decade ago? Yeah, absolutely. It already financed them. Not listening does nothing except tzhat I can't listen to songs that were and are an important part of my youth.
There's only so much time in life and going fanboy stalker is something I don't have the time or will for. I just checked my spotify if I have some Attila or Dealer stuff in my liked songs, which I had, one for each, not enough to actually know their names. I threw them both out.
It's about how people deal with things when they find out, not when others know about it. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth when the twitter cesspool seems to think because they know something, everyone else has to, too. Even if they are somewhat within the industry. If Twitter isn't your hobby or part of your job, it's quite easy to never get to know anything that makes the news there.
I also don't know Oceana, sooo nothing really lost to me here, but on a principal level, having people leave a band or a band breaking up because they didn't know something some other people did or do to it's full extend, or at all, that's something I really don't like.
Thanks for reading my TED talk.
People really do need to get off social media like X or BlueSkly or Reddit or what-have-you for a least a year. I think everyone in the world would actually calm the fuck down if that happened and we'd see a considerable improvement in everyone's mental health.
I got falsely reported and got banned from X so I haven't used social media for 18 months, realizing the modern metal scene is full of pussies and I don't know if I even want to be a part of it anymore
Bluesky is a pedo hub
in saying this, i was drinking at a show so my memory could be false but i will still say what i believe happened. i went to a show with Oceano on the lineup 6ish years ago and was super excited to see them because the other time i saw them i got a bloody nose and was taken outside by security so they could make sure i was okay. once the show was over and people were clearing out, i saw adam at a merch booth for another band, waiting in line to purchase something. i went up to him and said great show and asked for a picture kind of abruptly. with all smiles he agreed, waited for me to fumble with my phone to get the pic. he took it with all smiles, i thanked him for a great show then left. besides him being patient and cool with me, the guy was literally acting like he was a fan at the show, in line buying merch instead of trying to get something for free from another band. one of the nicest guys in a band i very much like that ive ever encountered.
People are selective on who to Hate
Aerosmith had such reputation and there is no hate on that
There is a RHCP incident similar to the dealer situation
Falling in Reverse you mentioned have the same allegations
People hate anyone if it was either of the 2 bands on tour with any artist there will be no hate for this reason
There is a bunch of hate for Falling in Reverse, i do agree on RHCP tho.
They have done so much shit and barely anyone knows about it
Women are property
Adam Is Such A Great Guy, I met him at Their Tour with VCTMS, To The Grave, & Signs Of The Swarm!! He’s Such a Dope Dude and Invited me Backstage at That show and It was Amazing!! His Statement was Shocking and Shook Me Quite a Bit. I Completely understand Adam and Why He Quit. The Metal Scene Can Be Ruthless, Be Careful!
Please. Stop capitalizing every or almost every word. This isn’t German. Please.
I saw Attila with Born of Osiris earlier this year, never saw Attila before then and Fronz was basically bragging on stage like a teenager that they couldn't do the Canadian dates on tour because the band is all Felons. The allegations just make sense with someone who has a party boy attitude 24/7.
Canada fucking sucks
So I’ve been following your channel for a while now and I had no idea you worked at Mojoe’s. My band used to play there all the time back in the day. I knew you looked slightly familiar! Love the channel and great video dude.
The whole Fronz thing... yeah, I can believe him on that. The fact that nothing happened legally and he fessed up to what happened and explained it, I can totally believe his explanation. I don't think he's in the wrong there, at least... not enough to warrant thinking he's a shitty person. Sleeping with fans is still kinda fucked up, but I don't think it warrants a cancellation and he did everything he could to try to make sure all was good. Keep in mind, though... I know nothing of Fronz outside of the accusations. I don't listen to his band's music, I don't follow him at all. All I know about him is the allegation.
The AIDAN situation, though... that's harder for me. There's way too many things lining up there for me to give him the benefit of the doubt there. I'm not sure how I feel about it. This whole situation definitely sucks though... I understand people's anger towards not wanting someone who's really sketchy in a tour, but it's also not your tour. Just don't go.
look up what aidan said. dude is clean
@AW-qz4kk unless he has objective evidence of him not having done anything, I'm convinced he did something.
as someone who has also gotten rid of my social media, i miss out on a lot of this and dont hear about it til you put a video out. ive just listened to bands and made playlists over the past few years, cause thelove of core is dead.
also a tigercub vinyl would look pretty sick back there
Nah, the internet bullied that man into quitting his band. The only thing this drama is doing is making Attila and Dealer more famous. Fuck the scene that bullied Adam. Internet bullying is literally verbal abuse. So, who's abusive now? And I don't listen to Oceano (they're talented, but not my cup of tea). God I hate the internet sometimes.
Edit: these comments are not aimed towards the uploader. Just the bullies.
I first met Adam in Connersville when they were recording their debut. That band is full of some of the kindest coolest dudes I've ever met. I believe him. I am so very sad to see them lay it down over this.
I don't think this is sole reason he left. Adam has been sort of all over the place with the band lately. I just think this was the final straw, and I get it. I don't have any social media myself. I don't believe humans are programed to be hive minded.
I do agree. I feel like Adam may have wanted to be done and this was a quick exit.
I hate the fact that every facet of the music industry has its own stereotypes to the point where if accusations come out against someone, most of the time, i can honestly say "yeah doesnt surprise me". Adam's right. Everyone in the scene shares responsibility for the overall culture and i hope we can get past this kind of shit as a community. That being said there's shitty people everywhere you go. Social media makes it easier than ever to get to the truth but also easier than ever to misrepresent that truth and twist it to fit a narrative
Welp, the internet outrage machine keyboard warriors got what they wanted. They can pat themselves on the back and have a massive circle jerk with each other while regaling each other with platitudes.
I discovered Oceano in the last year and this is making me sad to hear. I was shamed out of liking metal and I’ve been revisiting it for the last couple years as an adult and I really enjoyed Oceano’s discography
Eh... Dude had nothing to do with the abusive guys. And if he has a family... and plays music at home... why should he know about all that shit? Not everyone spends so much time online. I didnt even know about the Atilla thing ... but im not a fan of the band. So i dont care to read shit about them. Dont care about trying to hunt down drama.
So his manager probably knew... tho... probably didnt do his job. Its just not the dude from the bands problem. Idk... Its not their problem. People shouldnt be going after them. Go after the guilty parties... if theyre guilty that is ... i mean... Are they actually guilty?
Idk. Dont care... but people have to stop being such bullies and canceling everything. Music scene fucking sucks no matter what. Might as well just stop all concerts all shows everything. Just do nothing anymore. Fuck it all. Just only do streaming or some garbage. Lol. Just a few years so people can learn how to act. Both ways. Bleh.
14:20 ive been a fan of attila and had no idea about those accusations lol i dont really pay attention to anything but the music, im just saying that people like me exist. Dude probably shouldve known since hes a part of the industry but yeah, me personally, i had no idea about Franz.
I'm the same way I'm on the internet constantly in the metal scene and I don't hear anything about accusations I only hear the bs release of band members on political views and other bs reasons so I can understand how someone can not hear about it but again he is in the middle of the industry so who knows
Wishing Adam the best
Tank I love ya man, take care of yourself!
The Spiritbox thingy was definitely their fans. Denying Spiritbox, that at the time wasn't very big, the opportunity to get massive publicity and earn money is disgusting at best. Also judging people on rumours is disgusting and thank God defamation lawsuits are in the works. Look what benefit Stp have had since they joined the FIR tour, they are Lorna big now due to the simple fact that people not in the scene got exposed to them trough that tour and trough Alex's part in Ronald. Too sad Spiritbox, as a small band then, had too soft a spine to stand up for themselves. Now the fans know they own them. Look at what fans did with the Bad Omens European tour...They didn't officially break up but have we seen them since? They only will appear as a support for the one Linkin Park support and then go back home. Trust me, Bad Omens is done for and it's all because of the fans.
Alternative, spiritbox are doing just fine and don't need to ride on the coat tails of a piece of shit to achieve success. They're sitting at 2.9 million listeners a month (which is double slaughter to prevails, which I think is hilarious), they're not exactly a small band clamoring for an opportunity. Fan pressure aside, I believe them dropping out was ultimately a good thing, and it's clear if there was any adverse effects, sure wasn't anything noticeable.
@@BlueCaboose42 I was gonna say. Spiritbox are doing fine lol
@BlueCaboose42 they weren't then. Yes they had some core fans but I doubt anyone outside the scene knew of them.