In a recent live stream REN said that he is talking to the same Bulgarian choir that Kujo stole from in order to do a collab for a new song. The revenge goes on…..
The bonus is that they were only going to get a slice of the money that Kujo made from his split. Depending on the terms, that choir could BANK on a direct collab w Ren. I can see him going 50/50 just to give them the bump. AND, Ren could get more than just a single sample. He could get full verses/arrangement. And if he's super nice, they could also have their own license to their work (instead of him having an exclusive), so it could also be licensed by them for sampling. Just SO MANY possible wins here, and Kujo gonna be left empty handed on the sidelines.
Imagine if 1, cujobeats didn't steal the sample and 2, instead of being greedy when the paid for sample gets big be could have said hey Ren want some live backing on tour? and good chance got to play a few shows bigger than they ever would otherwise
Ren should be a verb too. A Ren thing to do is to go straight to the top, no middle person, no nothing. An artist who struggled by a shady industry now has hope.
One unfortunate side story to this is there is a rapper named....KUJO. He was getting a lot of hate messages. He didn't know who Ren was. His friend looked Into it and let KUJO the rapper know the Ren story. KUJO the rapper posted a message explaining how he is not KUJOBEATS. People then turned around and showed him love😊
Yeah, I saw that dude getting flack and sent some love his way, Renegades are passionate, but we can’t be getting a rep for flaming a guy who did nothing wrong. Dude handled it really well though, i appreciated him not being too bent outta shape over it.
It was unfortunate that it happened, but he's getting so much more exposure now it's been cleared up! Ren also left a post on his own TH-cam to let everyone know.
Not a renegade per se however I seen the Kujo deal & ended up subbing to him to help negate that initial hate wave & in fact enjoyed his Reaction to Ren today ;) go check it out if you haven't 👍
I learned about this situation a few days ago...from my 64 year old dad that has a Sick Boi sticker on his phone and also likes NF. Man's more in tune with modern music than I am apparently.
There's a difference between THIS track, and normal diss tracks. There's battle for the sport that'll just generate numbers. Then there's semi petty misheard or accurate gossip response tracks(scru and mac lethal). Then there's you crossed a line with what you said diss tracks, that kinda go for the throat, and have anger, but they still didn't directly mess with your life, work, or well being(mgk), this, however, this was an attack to literally delete a piece of himself, to mess with his bread, and to take away a piece of therapy for thousands. That begets a whole different sense of protection and self defense.
I'm just dumbfounded Kujo didn't take the 50/50 collab deal. How stupid can he be to turn that down. Ren gets a million views in less than a week lol. I mean, I guess now we know who KujoBeats is, but who in their right mind would ever be willing to work with him after this?
To me, it is suggestive that he can only steal and not create. If he collaborated with Ren, Ren would have picked up on that immediately at his level. Sad part is Ren is so genuine, he'd probably still do the song to help Kujo. Burger will never know because Kujo only saw Sick Boy dollar signs and not the potential of the new song. Career suicide.
This is what I’ve been screaming. How can you be short-sided to not see the $ potential?? Who is his lawyer that suggested this path??? Kujo is either stubborn and stupid or following bad, bad advice.
This reminds me of a line form Ender's Game which I'll paraphrase here... He's not being this brutal to end THIS conflict, he's potentially ending all future conflicts like this before they ever happen.
Not only did Kujo's girlfriend spread lies she also threatened to go to the UK and break his kneecaps which is why she's part of the video and song in the first place 😢😢😢
I think the gaslighting about what if Kujo had mental health issues was worse than an inappropriate joke. Either way she certainly earned her spot in the beatdown.
The painting analogy is actually a really great way to explain this situation. It's ridiculous that this dude thought he could just get money by boohooing so much. It's wild that he turned down Ren's offer of a 50/50 split on a track that could have gotten him some good money but he let his ego get in front of that. The true killer here is Kujo's hubris.
more like he stole a particular blend of paint from one artist, sold it to another and came back to demand money both because the painting using that paint sold for a lot and because theft charges caught up with him. Those lawyers are both wildly unethical and incredibly stupid for taking such a client, and Kujobeats is clearly just scum
SO... The BIG issue isn't that Kujo wasn't paid appropriately. The real issue is that Kujo used an uncleared sample and he's on the hook to THOSE people, and he expects Ren to cover that instead of accepting financial responsibility. That's Kujo's failure, and it's his liability.
The publishers failed to register Kujo correctly for "Sick Boi", so he had indeed not been paid his publishing split. This additionally complicated the sample issue, since both sides had a legitimate grievance. This did not give Kujo ANY right to issue a copyright strike though. That was pure extortion.
@@Anuta6675 The publishing thing was rectified quickly tho. Ren even covers that in his video. It was a clerical error and it got corrected and Kujo got paid what he was owed, including any arrears. Happens all the time, no biggie. Kujo didn't get clearance/rights for the sample he used, which is what started the whole thing, because when the choir came to Kujo for the money he owed them, he decided to chase Ren for it, even with it not being Ren's responsibility.
I am wondering the hole time how Beatstars seems not involved in the whole thing. Kujo sold a beat on Beatstars where a sample was in that he had no rights to, thereby violating the terms of Beatstars. If I buy through Beatstars I would assume the stuff I am buying is clean. Apparently it is not! Hence, how comes that Beatstars is not using all legal possibility to sue Kujo’s ass! Because after this story, I would not even visit Beatstars, if they do not make sure to beat down on such breach of terms.
@@thomasbecker7381 Ren specifically said he likes Beatstars as they help artists connect and everybody get their art out there, and doesn't feel they have any responsibility for this, though he would like to see them having better detection, if possible, to try to prevent this kind of thing -- but there's only so much you can do.
@@thomasbecker7381 I expect a lot of BeatStars is automated. If a producer violates the terms, BS can go back after and implement whatever remedy they deem appropriate. If Kujo went back and fixed things with the choir, the beat could likely stay up with updated publishing. Also, I think BS isn't wanting to expend the resources trying to vet every beat that goes up. If a bad beat gets posted, and nobody buys it, why waste all that effort, especially if they are not the rights holders in question? Of course at this point, Kujo may never sell another beat again. His rep got blazed.
I have fibromyalgia and just getting diagnosed took 5 years and moving from South Florida to the Phoenix, AZ area in order for my issue to no longer to be diagnosed as just in my head so there are so many ways that Ren has inspired me even as a 51 year old woman
i also hav fibro, 7 years to get a diagnosis. 7 F'ing years of fighting. i was a drummer. now i'm a "patient" ...this shit has sparked a fire in me that went out a long time ago. 🤘🔥🙏🖤
So many people seem to want a part 2, I think because REN is such a great artist, but that would mean the situation is unresolved and still bothering REN. 😮
I’m mainly a metal head but I’ve got so much love and respect for Ren. Thank you for bringing this to light amongst Americans, Ren deserves to be Huge. His lyrics are so true to the heart whatever the situation is
In my 50's cut my teeth on metal, then drifted into techno and happy hardcore in the early 90's, might have been chemically motivated ;-) Always had a very mixed taste in music but generally not been into chart stuff. Stumbled across Ren a few years ago after going down a youtube rabbit hole and was blown away. Yeah he's hit the youtube algorithm nicely, but the boy has serious talent, and the lyrics, man they are something else.
The fact that Ren was such an open hearted person right through until he was literally pushed over the edge is so wild. Kujobeats is an object lesson in stupidity and greed, Ren didn't legally or morally have to do anything with or for him, at all, yet he offered. And was rejected and hounded and lied about. What an own goal, career suicide doesn't even begin to describe it. Meanwhile everyone loves and admires Ren even more, and the Bulgarian choir that was ripped off will get time in the spotlight and money soon too by collaborating with him! You could make a movie out of it, for sure.
This is one of the things I like most about your content...... the introduction of new music. I've never heard of Ren before but REALLY liked this song. Thanks!
Okay, I ain't beating the "Renegade" allegations here but if you just liked this introduction, you will LOVE the rest of his catalogue. Classic ways to start would be "Hi Ren" and "Sick boi" for the cinematic/theater/introspective part. This track and video are full of references to this. You can NOT go wrong with him though, the following are just suggestions - please don't get overwhelmed. If you're even more into theater/guitar/storytelling, go for the FULL version of the "Tale of Jenny and Screech". Get ready to cry though. More guitar/"rock adjacent" stuff would be the music he made with his band, The Big Push. You can't go wrong there. And the recently released live version of "Bittersweet Symphony" Storytelling, theater and politics would be "Money Game" Part 1, 2 and 3. Rapping/having fun there's "The Hunger", "Losing it" and "Animal flow" (and many more) For the most hauntingly beautiful duets you've ever heard, "Chalk outlines" and "How to be me" with Chinchilla. More crying would be "Suic*de" and "Freckled Angels"
If you take the time to listen to his catalog you will find that it's all completely different so even if you don't like one song, keep going because he's got music for everyone! I found him almost 2 years ago and he has quickly moved to my favorite artist
Thanks. I keep an earpiece in and listen to music all day. As soon as I finished Tank's video I started listening to his stuff. So far I'm really liking what I've heard. He is interesting. I don't know why his name isn't more widely known......at least for my old ass age group 😄
@@MetalMama-Mimi523his stuff isn’t really for the radio. Most of us ended up seeing him through reactors or just by chance. He had some vitality with Sam Tompkins when they collaborated a lot and with his band The Big Push
@@TankTheTech Ren loves to Callab with all kinds of artists, you'd be surprised by all the different genre's he's dipped into seamlessly. If you get a chance, check out his recent Callab with Chris Webby, independant rapper out of Connecticut. The song is titled: "Baggage (feat Ren)". This track by Webby gives off Southern rap/rock vibes, & the great part is you also get to hear Ren's rock vocals at the end of the song. His vocals don't start until after he finishes his rap verse, then he sings out the rest of the song to the end. Ren can get pretty up there as well; he's got some pipes! 🤘🤘
I also like that the choir is featured and obviously also deeply affected by this whole mess of kujo's making. and there's an artist name Kujo, not to be mistaken with kujobeats, who got hit with negative comments by unknowing angry Ren fans. he took it like a total champ, Ren dropped a comment and everyone else starting apologizing and showing the guy some love.... tiny channel, he's getting nothing but love now! 😂
Ren is completely independent. He has a legal team but no official management. He has a team of his friends including Josh who films a lot of his videos, Kai who played kujo in this video and plays bass on back on 74 re take and helps run rens patreon, Sam his video Grapher who most people know, conner and a few other people i don't know their names. He is 100% independent and has said he will remain so for good much like tom Macdonald
Great reaction! Just one little correction...you said Ren is semi independent. He isn't. He is fully independent which makes the fact that he got his album Sick Boi to #1 that much more impressive especially considering he could not perform it live or tour due to his poor health. He got this album to #1 on his own literal blood, sweat and tears.❤ Check out Back on 74/Message in a Bottle retake (basically Ren's mashed up cover of these two songs) for a completely different view of Ren and his abilities.
So yeah, when I say "semi-independent" I mean that he may have some people helping him behind the scenes, not that he's necessarily signed to a label. I know up until recently, he was absolutely and fully independent, and all I meant was he may have management or distribution or something at this point. Wasn't meant to take anything away from him.
Every shot was so meticulous, and detailed moments of his struggle with the whole deal. It might be a diss track, but it's a visually genius piece of art. And I'm a 50 year old mom saying that!
I watched the premiere of this on TH-cam and I think we had around 21k people at its peak. A sublime response from Ren. As he said, he felt like he had to get it out somehow, so he got it out somehow 😂🔥🔥🔥
I wonder if Kujo didn't take The 50/50 because the sample was already stolen so doing a collab would've revealed that he has bad or even no real music skills. Crazy situation I was unaware of so thanks for the video.
He's just making beats. Gotta be one of the easiest things you can do in music besides being a DJ. This comes across to me as just more lazy songwriting.
Well, the beat itself is really good, even without the choir sample. And he did make it, apparently. To me it seems like Kujo is not the smartest and probably has been bitten before. So he did not trust anyone but his lawyer. And who knows what priorities the lawyer had 🤷♀
So this song, including the choir is just his answer to kujobeats. It has been going on for quite some time too. The choirpiece you hear in this is not the Sick boy one either. Hell... it isn't even a real choir in the video but his best mates standing there aswell as the one playing Kujo. I understand that people who never heard of Ren find it all a bit much.. don't understand what really has been going on these past months and how this has affected him mentally and physically.
I'm not a rap fan at all, but definitely check out hello Ren, he's very open about his mental health challenges, them his official copy of sickboi was taken down but there are others that have posted it in protest.
Ren makes lots of different kinds of music, usually crossing genre lines. He does Ska, rock, blues, beat boxing, pop, operatic voice... You might find something you like. ❤
He did say the other day he is itching to get into metal… but his definition of metal is more towards the Rage Against the Machine side… so he figures the metal purists will have a go at him 😂😂
You have to admire just how creative Ren was in the way he handled it. Very well make video and his song was not only straight fire but told the story in movie level quality. Ren should be hired for movie work.
You know that feeling when your favourite show cameos your favourite artist? I didn't have Tank reacting to Ren on my list and I love every bit of this. Great breakdown of the situation and amazing reaction! Keep up the amazing work ♥
Actually, thinking back on it now, I do believe you reacted to Hi Ren back in the day. Still, for someone who mostly covers the metal scene, I love how you branch out and check out stuff like this as well, especially considering the impact of this situation :)
I don’t think I will ever quite understand how it all went from Kujo selling a beat with a stolen sample and the owners getting in touch for the publishing money they’re owed to then somehow escalating into Kujo and his lawyer using a mistake made by others, not Ren himself, to demand money from Ren as if he was the thief. It’s like there’s a huge gap and I suspect it’s between Kujo’s ears 👀 But at least we got this righteous rage! Ren showed us exactly what happens when you push the nicest guy in the industry too far… he needed to let the anger out somehow and boy did he do just that 🔥 Ren just made history! Our sick boi was wronged and the hype to see him release his anger was insane. Pretty sure there was like twice the amount of people in chat for the premiere than we’ve seen before and so many reactors heard his call for support ❤️ It’s interesting that the community is so passionate because of how genuinely nice Ren is, yet we all LOVE seeing this side of him 😂 But as much as we love it and would love a part 2, for Ren’s sake I hope this is the end of it. He’s been through enough over this and just wants to move on 🖤
😂 Stephen Colbert is rated high on wiki feet too. I'd love to get Ren on his show to discuss this rivalry and it's implications for mankind. I don't know what it would take to get Colbert's attention. Maybe if a million or so Renegades started commenting on his channel. Idk😂
I think he was more offended by her going on his Reddit and posting false contract excepts. Spreading misinformation directly to his fans is arguably a metaphorical knee-capping? 🤔
Ren hit the nail on the head with the line " but the killing your committing is career suicide " no one will ever want to work with Kujo after this crap he pulled
Ren didn’t punch down, he didn’t punch up. Ren simply punched back. Kujo thought ren was so loaded he would just fold to the demands to keep his name out of controversy, and he successfully fucked around and found out.
Ren is a master of taking adversity and turning it into pure gold. In the end, Kujo and the lawyers get nothing, we get an incredible theatrical piece of art that is even hitting the singles sale chart, and we are getting a new version of Sick Boi as part of an anniversary re-release! All wins for Ren. I was glad TH-cam overturned the copyright strike. That could have jeopardized Ren’s entire channel. I blame the lawyers for how out of control the situation got. If Kujo had reached out to Ren directly from the beginning, he would have made sure to sort things out amicably. I also think Kujo’s lawyer advised him against the new song. The lawyer would get nothing out of a new project, only on a settlement involving Sick Boi. So I don’t believe he was acting in Kujo’s best interest. My understanding is the legal rep was from BeatStars.
I was waiting for your reaction! Diss tracts, and all that drama, is usually not my thing, but Ren killed it. I just happened to watch when it premiered and I was stunned to silence.
Thank you for taking the time to describe the situation 👏👏👏 Congratulations on 300,000 subs 👍 Greetings from Germany 🤝🙋♀️ (was the German sauna too hot, did your beard have to be trimmed because of that 😎?)
Ive heard it descrbed as diss theatre. He expressed his anger and frustration in so many creative forms in this video. That breathing at the start just set the scene for the rest. He is so amazingly creative. Thanks for covering this music video and the music industry problem that created it. I love your industry based approach.
Som of Rens fans went to the wrong Kujo's YT channel and started giving him grief in the comments. Poor guy had never heard of Ren and didnt know wtf was going on, so he looked up the situation and done a video to clear things up and reacted to "Kujo beatdown". Ren shared it on his page.
Just want to be sure it's known that the song Sick Boi still is not up on most streaming platforms (Spotify is one for sure.) Ren said when the video was restored that it still will be taken back down and re-uploaded with the new version once he gets it re-recorded. Unless Kujo decides to do the right thing (Ren has said he is still open to reconciliation if Kujo just apologizes for selling a beat with an uncleared sample. That's literally all he wants). So until Ren re-records the track, it likely won't be available on most streaming platforms til next month. Otherwise, really great synopsis of the situation!
He CAN get fast with his lyrics. But rappers, and artists like ren especially, they're calculated about a delivery fitting the song, fitting the moment. In battle rap, diss records, story telling, you don't want to overdo any speed. You want it paced enough to be understood by the listener or the subject. You can have other tracks to sprint on.
Oh so cool for you to Analyse this situation ! While i don’t do any pro music I do try to write stuff and this story of Ren’s put a huge chilling effect on any beats or samples that I might have ever wanted to sample. Just make my own everything and make it real instead and there can never be this kind of situation!
The irony is that Ren usually does all his own beats. In fact Ren just usually does everything! Writes brilliantly, performs brilliantly, sings incredibly, raps like a rap god, scats, beatboxes, plays about a dozen instruments well, half of them ridiculously well. All self-taught! He does his own recording/audio engineering, produces, mixes, all brilliantly. His songwriting is world-class, In ALL genres! He directs most of his own videos, many of which are recorded live, in a single take! He's won several major international awards for his videos, which he usually edits himself too! :) Sick Boi was a rare exception to him usually doing his own beats. He was making a rap/hip-hop album, so he thought he'd try something different for the title track and do what most hip-hop artists and producers do and use someone else's beat, legally, on an unlimited licence. He still remixed it and used a lot of his own audio and production too. I'm sure he'll be more wary about going down that route in future, which is a win for us fans, as Ren's a world-class producer and now we'll be getting just a little more of it! :)
It needs to be pointed out that Ren didn't once threaten Kujo or his girlfriend on this track. He was showing he was angry though and hinted at litigation if they didn't stop spreading lies and misinformation online.
Funny part is there is a rapper called Kujo on TH-cam. Ren posted that Kujo is not Kujo Beats and to not spread hate. Ren reached out to Kujo and apologized on behalf of the Renagades. Kujo then did a reaction to Kujo Beatdown. He was cool with it and liked the song. It was also nice seeing how much support Kujo got afterwards.
This is like the Gibbons/Patrick thing, where both sides could have GREATLY benefited from a team up, apology, whatever and really really blown up both, especially the smaller party, but one side was willing to move forward and the other just decided it would be better to go scorched earth. Lose/lose
I dont know who ren is and not fussed about all the rap stuff but i do want to hear more from him after seeing this dis. Damn haha ima check his other stuff now haha
I'm not going to lie, this is not my kind of music. I don't care for it, and i wouldn't put it on my playlist. Saying that there's something about the delivery that REALLY reminds me of Eminem. It's not a song. It's a performance. A masterclass. Most rap doesn't deliver that for me but this? This is powerful and hits hard.
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In a recent live stream REN said that he is talking to the same Bulgarian choir that Kujo stole from in order to do a collab for a new song. The revenge goes on…..
Oh my god I was wondering if he'd try and do that, cause that'd be amazing. Haha
The bonus is that they were only going to get a slice of the money that Kujo made from his split. Depending on the terms, that choir could BANK on a direct collab w Ren. I can see him going 50/50 just to give them the bump. AND, Ren could get more than just a single sample. He could get full verses/arrangement. And if he's super nice, they could also have their own license to their work (instead of him having an exclusive), so it could also be licensed by them for sampling. Just SO MANY possible wins here, and Kujo gonna be left empty handed on the sidelines.
Love the levels of petty 👌
@@PugLifeProductions😂😂😂
that's fuckin badass 😎👊
A Prime Example for "Fuck around and find out."
Exactly. Hahaha
@@TankTheTechI really don't like you mate...😉👍
@@TankTheTechyour 'experience' in the music industry.....
Yeah ???
Imagine if 1, cujobeats didn't steal the sample and 2, instead of being greedy when the paid for sample gets big be could have said hey Ren want some live backing on tour? and good chance got to play a few shows bigger than they ever would otherwise
TH-cam didn't just hear about it indirectly. Ren met with the Head of TH-cam Music! :)
Yes he did. That's the clout he has in this situation.
Ren should be a verb too. A Ren thing to do is to go straight to the top, no middle person, no nothing. An artist who struggled by a shady industry now has hope.
Even better, he's got leverage @@Jonz808
One unfortunate side story to this is there is a rapper named....KUJO. He was getting a lot of hate messages. He didn't know who Ren was. His friend looked Into it and let KUJO the rapper know the Ren story. KUJO the rapper posted a message explaining how he is not KUJOBEATS. People then turned around and showed him love😊
Yeah, and then Ren heard about it and left a comment on Kujo's reaction to 'Beat Down' apologizing for the harassment.
It’s all cool with Kujo. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a collab with him. He’s a pretty cool guy.
Yeah, I saw that dude getting flack and sent some love his way, Renegades are passionate, but we can’t be getting a rep for flaming a guy who did nothing wrong. Dude handled it really well though, i appreciated him not being too bent outta shape over it.
It was unfortunate that it happened, but he's getting so much more exposure now it's been cleared up! Ren also left a post on his own TH-cam to let everyone know.
Not a renegade per se however I seen the Kujo deal & ended up subbing to him to help negate that initial hate wave & in fact enjoyed his Reaction to Ren today ;) go check it out if you haven't 👍
I learned about this situation a few days ago...from my 64 year old dad that has a Sick Boi sticker on his phone and also likes NF. Man's more in tune with modern music than I am apparently.
Amazing taste of music❤️
😂 That's great. Ren's fanbase is very age diverse.
We Renegades know no generation!!!
NF is a beast and is amazing. He doesn’t get the love or respect he deserves.
Had to pause this video and go down a Ren rabbit hole... Woah, so glad I did. What an artist! Ren nailed that guy, nice.
There's a difference between THIS track, and normal diss tracks. There's battle for the sport that'll just generate numbers. Then there's semi petty misheard or accurate gossip response tracks(scru and mac lethal). Then there's you crossed a line with what you said diss tracks, that kinda go for the throat, and have anger, but they still didn't directly mess with your life, work, or well being(mgk), this, however, this was an attack to literally delete a piece of himself, to mess with his bread, and to take away a piece of therapy for thousands. That begets a whole different sense of protection and self defense.
Absolutely...🔥💯
I'm just dumbfounded Kujo didn't take the 50/50 collab deal. How stupid can he be to turn that down. Ren gets a million views in less than a week lol. I mean, I guess now we know who KujoBeats is, but who in their right mind would ever be willing to work with him after this?
To me, it is suggestive that he can only steal and not create. If he collaborated with Ren, Ren would have picked up on that immediately at his level. Sad part is Ren is so genuine, he'd probably still do the song to help Kujo. Burger will never know because Kujo only saw Sick Boy dollar signs and not the potential of the new song. Career suicide.
yup, "the killing you're committing is career suicide". Kujo Beats (and gf) basically did this to himself (themselves), it seems to me.
This is what I’ve been screaming. How can you be short-sided to not see the $ potential?? Who is his lawyer that suggested this path??? Kujo is either stubborn and stupid or following bad, bad advice.
This reminds me of a line form Ender's Game which I'll paraphrase here... He's not being this brutal to end THIS conflict, he's potentially ending all future conflicts like this before they ever happen.
I loved that book. The movie was ok but didn't do justice to the book.
Oh yeah, this sets his stall, nobody will want to take this man on. He is such a legend, so fierce in defence of his art. 🤩
"I'm the subject matter, you're a part of the scenery" indeed.
Not only did Kujo's girlfriend spread lies she also threatened to go to the UK and break his kneecaps which is why she's part of the video and song in the first place 😢😢😢
I think the gaslighting about what if Kujo had mental health issues was worse than an inappropriate joke. Either way she certainly earned her spot in the beatdown.
That's why Ren was confused whether she liked ruth or not😂
For me she was the worst in this story...
If I gotta fight my man's battles, I don't want him 🙅🏾♀️. Hopefully, she learned a life lesson to stay in your lane.
The painting analogy is actually a really great way to explain this situation. It's ridiculous that this dude thought he could just get money by boohooing so much. It's wild that he turned down Ren's offer of a 50/50 split on a track that could have gotten him some good money but he let his ego get in front of that. The true killer here is Kujo's hubris.
more like he stole a particular blend of paint from one artist, sold it to another and came back to demand money both because the painting using that paint sold for a lot and because theft charges caught up with him. Those lawyers are both wildly unethical and incredibly stupid for taking such a client, and Kujobeats is clearly just scum
SO... The BIG issue isn't that Kujo wasn't paid appropriately. The real issue is that Kujo used an uncleared sample and he's on the hook to THOSE people, and he expects Ren to cover that instead of accepting financial responsibility. That's Kujo's failure, and it's his liability.
The publishers failed to register Kujo correctly for "Sick Boi", so he had indeed not been paid his publishing split. This additionally complicated the sample issue, since both sides had a legitimate grievance. This did not give Kujo ANY right to issue a copyright strike though. That was pure extortion.
@@Anuta6675 The publishing thing was rectified quickly tho. Ren even covers that in his video. It was a clerical error and it got corrected and Kujo got paid what he was owed, including any arrears. Happens all the time, no biggie. Kujo didn't get clearance/rights for the sample he used, which is what started the whole thing, because when the choir came to Kujo for the money he owed them, he decided to chase Ren for it, even with it not being Ren's responsibility.
I am wondering the hole time how Beatstars seems not involved in the whole thing. Kujo sold a beat on Beatstars where a sample was in that he had no rights to, thereby violating the terms of Beatstars. If I buy through Beatstars I would assume the stuff I am buying is clean. Apparently it is not! Hence, how comes that Beatstars is not using all legal possibility to sue Kujo’s ass! Because after this story, I would not even visit Beatstars, if they do not make sure to beat down on such breach of terms.
@@thomasbecker7381 Ren specifically said he likes Beatstars as they help artists connect and everybody get their art out there, and doesn't feel they have any responsibility for this, though he would like to see them having better detection, if possible, to try to prevent this kind of thing -- but there's only so much you can do.
@@thomasbecker7381 I expect a lot of BeatStars is automated. If a producer violates the terms, BS can go back after and implement whatever remedy they deem appropriate. If Kujo went back and fixed things with the choir, the beat could likely stay up with updated publishing. Also, I think BS isn't wanting to expend the resources trying to vet every beat that goes up. If a bad beat gets posted, and nobody buys it, why waste all that effort, especially if they are not the rights holders in question?
Of course at this point, Kujo may never sell another beat again. His rep got blazed.
I have fibromyalgia and just getting diagnosed took 5 years and moving from South Florida to the Phoenix, AZ area in order for my issue to no longer to be diagnosed as just in my head so there are so many ways that Ren has inspired me even as a 51 year old woman
Fibro twin ❤ I'm 44 been diagnosed since 2013. Ren has changed my life
i also hav fibro, 7 years to get a diagnosis. 7 F'ing years of fighting. i was a drummer. now i'm a "patient" ...this shit has sparked a fire in me that went out a long time ago. 🤘🔥🙏🖤
Same, I'm going to start singing on twitch as soon as I get the equipment
@@ElsieAng456 🖤👌
Same! Hello fellow Fibro peeps. Ren's music has hit me so hard.
I’m soooooo sick of people abusing the copyright strike system. Thank you for covering this!
So many people seem to want a part 2, I think because REN is such a great artist, but that would mean the situation is unresolved and still bothering REN. 😮
Hi Ren is the single most important piece of art I've ever experienced. It's profound.
Ren wins. The video is back up AND a new song was born. Win
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I’m mainly a metal head but I’ve got so much love and respect for Ren. Thank you for bringing this to light amongst Americans, Ren deserves to be Huge. His lyrics are so true to the heart whatever the situation is
In my 50's cut my teeth on metal, then drifted into techno and happy hardcore in the early 90's, might have been chemically motivated ;-)
Always had a very mixed taste in music but generally not been into chart stuff. Stumbled across Ren a few years ago after going down a youtube rabbit hole and was blown away.
Yeah he's hit the youtube algorithm nicely, but the boy has serious talent, and the lyrics, man they are something else.
Charting at number 13 in the UK which is hilarious, Ren said he didn't see that coming, Crazy!
It IS?!
@@TankTheTech Yep I'd love to see them try play THAT on the radio hahaha
Fuck me... say what you like about viral tracks, but when it comes hard for an actual good song, it's fucking brilliant
You guys have to listen to the choir. they are singing: Dont sell stolen beats! Props to Ren for this Banger!
And at first they sing "This sample's not illegal".
In a Q&A on Ren’s Patreon posted yesterday, Ren said that the choir isn’t signing anything specifically. It’s just choral sounds he put together.
It’s a syllable VST. In other words it’s damn gibberish 😂
In a Q&A on his patreon, Ren said that the choir is just singing random syllables for the musicality. It's just gibberish😂
I almost hear this the last time: ”Don’t. Piss. Ren. Off.”😂 (Not sure, but I’m not the only one hearing this)
The fact that Ren was such an open hearted person right through until he was literally pushed over the edge is so wild. Kujobeats is an object lesson in stupidity and greed, Ren didn't legally or morally have to do anything with or for him, at all, yet he offered. And was rejected and hounded and lied about. What an own goal, career suicide doesn't even begin to describe it.
Meanwhile everyone loves and admires Ren even more, and the Bulgarian choir that was ripped off will get time in the spotlight and money soon too by collaborating with him! You could make a movie out of it, for sure.
This is one of the things I like most about your content...... the introduction of new music. I've never heard of Ren before but REALLY liked this song. Thanks!
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Okay, I ain't beating the "Renegade" allegations here but if you just liked this introduction, you will LOVE the rest of his catalogue. Classic ways to start would be "Hi Ren" and "Sick boi" for the cinematic/theater/introspective part. This track and video are full of references to this. You can NOT go wrong with him though, the following are just suggestions - please don't get overwhelmed.
If you're even more into theater/guitar/storytelling, go for the FULL version of the "Tale of Jenny and Screech". Get ready to cry though.
More guitar/"rock adjacent" stuff would be the music he made with his band, The Big Push. You can't go wrong there. And the recently released live version of "Bittersweet Symphony"
Storytelling, theater and politics would be "Money Game" Part 1, 2 and 3.
Rapping/having fun there's "The Hunger", "Losing it" and "Animal flow" (and many more)
For the most hauntingly beautiful duets you've ever heard, "Chalk outlines" and "How to be me" with Chinchilla.
More crying would be "Suic*de" and "Freckled Angels"
If you take the time to listen to his catalog you will find that it's all completely different so even if you don't like one song, keep going because he's got music for everyone! I found him almost 2 years ago and he has quickly moved to my favorite artist
Thanks. I keep an earpiece in and listen to music all day. As soon as I finished Tank's video I started listening to his stuff. So far I'm really liking what I've heard. He is interesting. I don't know why his name isn't more widely known......at least for my old ass age group 😄
@@MetalMama-Mimi523his stuff isn’t really for the radio. Most of us ended up seeing him through reactors or just by chance. He had some vitality with Sam Tompkins when they collaborated a lot and with his band The Big Push
Ren is the musician we need but many simply don't understand. Truly an amazing artist!
electric callboy and ren Collab , lets make it happen
Oh I've already brought it up to the boys.
@@TankTheTech Ren loves to Callab with all kinds of artists, you'd be surprised by all the different genre's he's dipped into seamlessly. If you get a chance, check out his recent Callab with Chris Webby, independant rapper out of Connecticut. The song is titled:
"Baggage (feat Ren)".
This track by Webby gives off Southern rap/rock vibes, & the great part is you also get to hear Ren's rock vocals at the end of the song. His vocals don't start until after he finishes his rap verse, then he sings out the rest of the song to the end. Ren can get pretty up there as well; he's got some pipes! 🤘🤘
@@robmararI can see Ren being 100% interested. Dude likes to experiment and do weird stuff and I think he’d appreciate their brand of humor.
I also like that the choir is featured and obviously also deeply affected by this whole mess of kujo's making. and there's an artist name Kujo, not to be mistaken with kujobeats, who got hit with negative comments by unknowing angry Ren fans. he took it like a total champ, Ren dropped a comment and everyone else starting apologizing and showing the guy some love.... tiny channel, he's getting nothing but love now! 😂
Ren is completely independent. He has a legal team but no official management. He has a team of his friends including Josh who films a lot of his videos, Kai who played kujo in this video and plays bass on back on 74 re take and helps run rens patreon, Sam his video Grapher who most people know, conner and a few other people i don't know their names. He is 100% independent and has said he will remain so for good much like tom Macdonald
I'm not one for rap at all but Ren, the whole package, is fucking great.
If someone had told me a year ago that I'd be loving rap, I'd have laughed my tushie off. Now I'm trying to catch up with what I've missed
It's good to see YT can handle these situations reasonably and responsibly
It's frustrating why they choose not to in so many cases.
Ren is dope. As someone who had Lyme for 10+ years before getting diagnosed, i really connect with his battle and music/art
Great reaction! Just one little correction...you said Ren is semi independent. He isn't. He is fully independent which makes the fact that he got his album Sick Boi to #1 that much more impressive especially considering he could not perform it live or tour due to his poor health. He got this album to #1 on his own literal blood, sweat and tears.❤
Check out Back on 74/Message in a Bottle retake (basically Ren's mashed up cover of these two songs) for a completely different view of Ren and his abilities.
Am I mistaken that Ren doesn't have management or anything like that now?
@@TankTheTech I believe when ren became sick Sony released him and then hi ren took off and he's still independent now
He has some sort of deal with The Other Songs but I don’t think they own anything?
I think maybe he works with a distributor but that’s it. Some of his recent stuff is under Freckled Angels but that’s just Ren.
So yeah, when I say "semi-independent" I mean that he may have some people helping him behind the scenes, not that he's necessarily signed to a label. I know up until recently, he was absolutely and fully independent, and all I meant was he may have management or distribution or something at this point. Wasn't meant to take anything away from him.
Every shot was so meticulous, and detailed moments of his struggle with the whole deal. It might be a diss track, but it's a visually genius piece of art. And I'm a 50 year old mom saying that!
Truly the height of music industry hypocrisy. Ren was certainly more charitable than I would've been through most of it.
I watched the premiere of this on TH-cam and I think we had around 21k people at its peak. A sublime response from Ren. As he said, he felt like he had to get it out somehow, so he got it out somehow 😂🔥🔥🔥
He exceeded 23k by the end of the stream 🙌 What a show of support for our guy 💪
I seen his situation explanation video so many times that I read the last part of your comment in his accent 😂
@@JulitaPiothat’s funny
I wonder if Kujo didn't take The 50/50 because the sample was already stolen so doing a collab would've revealed that he has bad or even no real music skills. Crazy situation I was unaware of so thanks for the video.
Someone else brought that up in the live premiere chat, and it's a legitimate question/statement. Maybe the dude isn't actually good at what he does.
He's just making beats. Gotta be one of the easiest things you can do in music besides being a DJ. This comes across to me as just more lazy songwriting.
@@TankTheTechIndeed makes me wonder. Curious to see if someone does a dive into his other beats.
The way that Ren explained it. It sounded like Kujo just did not gave a fk if he stolen the beat and tried to sell it for his own gains.
Well, the beat itself is really good, even without the choir sample. And he did make it, apparently. To me it seems like Kujo is not the smartest and probably has been bitten before. So he did not trust anyone but his lawyer. And who knows what priorities the lawyer had 🤷♀
You're reaction to hi Ren was what put me on the Ren track back then, still thankful for that 😊
So this song, including the choir is just his answer to kujobeats. It has been going on for quite some time too. The choirpiece you hear in this is not the Sick boy one either. Hell... it isn't even a real choir in the video but his best mates standing there aswell as the one playing Kujo. I understand that people who never heard of Ren find it all a bit much.. don't understand what really has been going on these past months and how this has affected him mentally and physically.
That was cathartic for both Ren and his Ren-agades.
Thank you for introducing me to Ren! I'll definitely check him out! May not be melodic death metal but he sounds like a cool cat!
I'm not a rap fan at all, but definitely check out hello Ren, he's very open about his mental health challenges, them his official copy of sickboi was taken down but there are others that have posted it in protest.
Defo try his other stuff… you’ll be surprised how many metal heads are also Ren fans 😎
As another purveyor of Melodeath: Ren is tight af. Enjoy the rabbit hole!
Also check his busking with his band The Big Push.
Never heard of Ren and not my kind of music but he earned my respect haha
Ren makes lots of different kinds of music, usually crossing genre lines. He does Ska, rock, blues, beat boxing, pop, operatic voice... You might find something you like. ❤
Can't wait for Ren's rock/metal arc to begin
He did say the other day he is itching to get into metal… but his definition of metal is more towards the Rage Against the Machine side… so he figures the metal purists will have a go at him 😂😂
@@GoodGirlGone That’s sick, though.
@@Aquarian-t8p I will defo not complain 😊
He was in a busking group called the Big Push which has a bunch of videos of them playing rock and metal songs which are pretty great.
He's already a forth of the way through his rock arc, lol. Check out his band, The Big Push. They are fantastic!
The "King Dotta" diss was funny with a bit of "bury the hatchet" proposal in the end... this was NOT!
I think the real star player in all of this is the Bulgarian Choir
You have to admire just how creative Ren was in the way he handled it. Very well make video and his song was not only straight fire but told the story in movie level quality. Ren should be hired for movie work.
Don't forget Samuel Perry Falvey, the filmmaker
You know that feeling when your favourite show cameos your favourite artist? I didn't have Tank reacting to Ren on my list and I love every bit of this.
Great breakdown of the situation and amazing reaction! Keep up the amazing work ♥
Actually, thinking back on it now, I do believe you reacted to Hi Ren back in the day. Still, for someone who mostly covers the metal scene, I love how you branch out and check out stuff like this as well, especially considering the impact of this situation :)
The creativity of the guy is just on another level. I wish him all the luck in the world, big fan…..also, TANK and REN interview….make it happen dude.
Ren took the beat down to a whole new level. That was amazing. Not unexpected when you consider how personal the song Sick Boy is for him.
I don’t think I will ever quite understand how it all went from Kujo selling a beat with a stolen sample and the owners getting in touch for the publishing money they’re owed to then somehow escalating into Kujo and his lawyer using a mistake made by others, not Ren himself, to demand money from Ren as if he was the thief. It’s like there’s a huge gap and I suspect it’s between Kujo’s ears 👀
But at least we got this righteous rage! Ren showed us exactly what happens when you push the nicest guy in the industry too far… he needed to let the anger out somehow and boy did he do just that 🔥
Ren just made history! Our sick boi was wronged and the hype to see him release his anger was insane. Pretty sure there was like twice the amount of people in chat for the premiere than we’ve seen before and so many reactors heard his call for support ❤️
It’s interesting that the community is so passionate because of how genuinely nice Ren is, yet we all LOVE seeing this side of him 😂 But as much as we love it and would love a part 2, for Ren’s sake I hope this is the end of it. He’s been through enough over this and just wants to move on 🖤
Wow! I absolutely love *that* you covers such issues in the music industry and *how* you cover them! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Ren is an absolute legend and an incredible talent! Thank you for covering this mate! Keep it up! 💯
The bonnie and clyde line was perfection
He probably wouldn't have involved the girlfriend until she threatened his kneecaps
Considering that he has a 5.54 out of 5 rating on wikifeets, I imagine his kneecaps are also quite valuable 😂😂
😂 Stephen Colbert is rated high on wiki feet too. I'd love to get Ren on his show to discuss this rivalry and it's implications for mankind. I don't know what it would take to get Colbert's attention. Maybe if a million or so Renegades started commenting on his channel. Idk😂
I think he was more offended by her going on his Reddit and posting false contract excepts. Spreading misinformation directly to his fans is arguably a metaphorical knee-capping? 🤔
I've never heard of either of these dudes, but I'm digging this track for sure! going to look em up!
play stupid games, win stupid prizes, kujo. This needs to be fixed bc i can see others doing this......
I found it amezing that finally some one takes the gready down. And in a brutal song/video.
Holy crap, that is verbal homicide! 😅
Never upset a calm gentleman 😂 gotta love Ren
its like stealing a ring selling it to a porn shop for £10 and finding out its worth 10k and calling the cops saying the porn shop owe you half
I know it had to be spell check that turned pawn shop to porn shop. Still hilarious
@@cathywethington5913 🤣😂🤣
I'm glad,that you react to this❤ And congrats to the 300k!More than deserved!😊
The Ren Kujo situation is wild, and this video is insanely good.
Outraged angry Ren brings a full arsenal to diss theater levels. Wow. Impressive talent.
I did know nothing about Ren's situation before stream. This distrack is so wild, but I'm full on Ren's boat. Fantastic video, as always.
Ren hit the nail on the head with the line " but the killing your committing is career suicide " no one will ever want to work with Kujo after this crap he pulled
Yes, happy that you are reacting to this one, always appreciate you ❤😊
That was freaking SAVAGE. I love it!
This situation is a massive mess but a SICK diss-track!
Ren didn’t punch down, he didn’t punch up. Ren simply punched back. Kujo thought ren was so loaded he would just fold to the demands to keep his name out of controversy, and he successfully fucked around and found out.
I think kujobeats and his lawyer just didn't understand how firmly Ren stands on principle, how firmly he stands against greed
I LOVE THIS. Exactly right!
Ren is a master of taking adversity and turning it into pure gold. In the end, Kujo and the lawyers get nothing, we get an incredible theatrical piece of art that is even hitting the singles sale chart, and we are getting a new version of Sick Boi as part of an anniversary re-release! All wins for Ren. I was glad TH-cam overturned the copyright strike. That could have jeopardized Ren’s entire channel.
I blame the lawyers for how out of control the situation got. If Kujo had reached out to Ren directly from the beginning, he would have made sure to sort things out amicably. I also think Kujo’s lawyer advised him against the new song. The lawyer would get nothing out of a new project, only on a settlement involving Sick Boi. So I don’t believe he was acting in Kujo’s best interest. My understanding is the legal rep was from BeatStars.
I think you're right about the lawyer
I was waiting for your reaction! Diss tracts, and all that drama, is usually not my thing, but Ren killed it. I just happened to watch when it premiered and I was stunned to silence.
Not familiar with either party or the situation, but holy moly that is one heck of a response (not judging, that was hair raising)
There's an instrumental version. It's a horror movie all on its own. Check out more of his stuff. I think you'll be glad you did
Check out Ren's colab with chris webby, called bagage.
This is not a diss track, it’s pure DISStruction!!!
Absolutely love Ren! Thanks for covering this situation.
Thank you for taking the time to describe the situation 👏👏👏
Congratulations on 300,000 subs 👍
Greetings from Germany 🤝🙋♀️
(was the German sauna too hot, did your beard have to be trimmed because of that 😎?)
Vielen Dank!
@@TankTheTech Sehr gerne 🙋♀️🫶
Ive heard it descrbed as diss theatre. He expressed his anger and frustration in so many creative forms in this video. That breathing at the start just set the scene for the rest. He is so amazingly creative. Thanks for covering this music video and the music industry problem that created it. I love your industry based approach.
Som of Rens fans went to the wrong Kujo's YT channel and started giving him grief in the comments.
Poor guy had never heard of Ren and didnt know wtf was going on, so he looked up the situation and done a video to clear things up and reacted to "Kujo beatdown". Ren shared it on his page.
Tank, I'm so glad you highlighted this - it's great to get your perspective! And the video does go hard 😆
So happy that you reacted to this 🔥♥️✌️
Just want to be sure it's known that the song Sick Boi still is not up on most streaming platforms (Spotify is one for sure.)
Ren said when the video was restored that it still will be taken back down and re-uploaded with the new version once he gets it re-recorded.
Unless Kujo decides to do the right thing (Ren has said he is still open to reconciliation if Kujo just apologizes for selling a beat with an uncleared sample. That's literally all he wants).
So until Ren re-records the track, it likely won't be available on most streaming platforms til next month. Otherwise, really great synopsis of the situation!
Kujo was last seen treading water in a pool of his own tears
That was great, thanks! 🖤
"Diss Theater" A new genre by Ren. - said by someone else, but hilarious and true. LOL
Thank you so much for reacting to this… this was one of best out there!!!
He CAN get fast with his lyrics. But rappers, and artists like ren especially, they're calculated about a delivery fitting the song, fitting the moment. In battle rap, diss records, story telling, you don't want to overdo any speed. You want it paced enough to be understood by the listener or the subject. You can have other tracks to sprint on.
Right on, this was great, glad you covered this. Your recap was spot on and concise.
Oh so cool for you to Analyse this situation ! While i don’t do any pro music I do try to write stuff and this story of Ren’s put a huge chilling effect on any beats or samples that I might have ever wanted to sample. Just make my own everything and make it real instead and there can never be this kind of situation!
Why would you want to do it any other way? Do it yourself. That's art. Using someone else's beat, that's just business.
The irony is that Ren usually does all his own beats. In fact Ren just usually does everything! Writes brilliantly, performs brilliantly, sings incredibly, raps like a rap god, scats, beatboxes, plays about a dozen instruments well, half of them ridiculously well. All self-taught! He does his own recording/audio engineering, produces, mixes, all brilliantly. His songwriting is world-class, In ALL genres! He directs most of his own videos, many of which are recorded live, in a single take! He's won several major international awards for his videos, which he usually edits himself too! :)
Sick Boi was a rare exception to him usually doing his own beats. He was making a rap/hip-hop album, so he thought he'd try something different for the title track and do what most hip-hop artists and producers do and use someone else's beat, legally, on an unlimited licence. He still remixed it and used a lot of his own audio and production too. I'm sure he'll be more wary about going down that route in future, which is a win for us fans, as Ren's a world-class producer and now we'll be getting just a little more of it! :)
@Trentstone121 - Ren usually does. That's the irony. :) See above ^
It needs to be pointed out that Ren didn't once threaten Kujo or his girlfriend on this track. He was showing he was angry though and hinted at litigation if they didn't stop spreading lies and misinformation online.
Basically all he did was make them sit down, shut up and listen
The needy & the greedy. Love Ren.
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That diss track had a lot of Sweeney Todd vibes 😂
Funny part is there is a rapper called Kujo on TH-cam. Ren posted that Kujo is not Kujo Beats and to not spread hate. Ren reached out to Kujo and apologized on behalf of the Renagades. Kujo then did a reaction to Kujo Beatdown. He was cool with it and liked the song. It was also nice seeing how much support Kujo got afterwards.
Ren just created a whole new level of Diss Theater!!! Lol
OMG tho, the way REN vented his feeling about this was AWESOME!! Kujo Beatdown & the video were 🔥🔥🔥!!
Flags at half mast for Kujo.
Nah I'm only messing lad, I love to troll the greedy
This is like the Gibbons/Patrick thing, where both sides could have GREATLY benefited from a team up, apology, whatever and really really blown up both, especially the smaller party, but one side was willing to move forward and the other just decided it would be better to go scorched earth. Lose/lose
I dont know who ren is and not fussed about all the rap stuff but i do want to hear more from him after seeing this dis. Damn haha ima check his other stuff now haha
Hi Ren is a good start. Jenny Screech and Voilet is a 3 piece thats pretty powerful.
I'm not going to lie, this is not my kind of music. I don't care for it, and i wouldn't put it on my playlist.
Saying that there's something about the delivery that REALLY reminds me of Eminem.
It's not a song. It's a performance. A masterclass.
Most rap doesn't deliver that for me but this?
This is powerful and hits hard.
Thinkin' this actually IS the "usual quality & standard" of REN. 😂❤❤❤❤❤
The best part is that the diss is charting at #15 in the UK! Ahahahahaha
Dude, thank you so much for showing me cool new music. First house of protection now ren. Please keep it up, I need more 😅
Ren is so brilliant! Really enjoyed your reaction and all the detail.
BEST summary!
Love your reaction to viewing this.
Somebody called this diss theatre ❤😂❤