I have the 35mm F2 Sigma and really like it. Build quality is just amazing. I liked the 58mm filter size as it matches the GH5 lenses filter thread size and I already had NDs, etc. When it came to 24mm, I considered waiting for the sigma, but saw the filter thread size and instead opted for the Rokinon 24mm f1.8 AF compact. While build quality isn't as nice as the Sigma, the size, weight, filter size of 58mm, and quality of image/autofocus has been great! Price at $499 for the Rokinon is really great as well for E mount.
BTW both filter sizes mentioned at 2:50, especially 55mm, are quite common on Sony/Minolta A-mount lenses and a few E-mount lenses. 62mm: 16-80, 18-135, 55-300 (A-mount) and 12mm Samyang with AF, 10-18 and 90mm Macro (E-mount) 55mm: A lot of A-mount lenses and 18-135 (E-mount)
ha! This is one of the best videos you guys have released. And I totally agree, btw, with the assessment at the end. With the Panasonic options, it's a hard sell. (24mm 1.8 and 85mm 1.8 for L mount.)
Well, thanks,Chris and Jordan ( nice haircut, btw) it seems like I already have the lenses I need with the FE85f1.8 and the FE24f1.4. Always fun to check out new lenses though!
I think the 90mm is more versatile for studio portraiture than the 85mm because of its shorter focus distance and better sharpness. As always a good video!
I love your videos. I really love seeing what both Chris and Jordan’s take on lenses, and cameras are. All your videos have made me, a novice photographer become a much better one. Thank you guys for the inspiration!
You've both overlooked something in your testing. Sun stars do require a stopped down aperture, but f/16 is mathematically way beyond the point of diffraction. Diffraction is hard limited purely by pixel size. The bigger the pixel, the less diffraction. That translates into hard stops for sensor sizes and megapixels. For example, a 12MP full frame camera is the ONLY resolution and size that can shoot at f/16 without diffraction. Change to 20MP, and that f/16 diffraction limit turns more into f/12. Downsize to APSC with the same resolution, and that f/12 turns more into f/8. Basically all APSC sensors are at least diffraction limited at f/8 or so, most full frame sensors are diffraction limited at f/12 or lower even. All you get from there is a softer image. And that's why the sun stars weren't very good.
The soapbubble bokeh makes it look 10times better than much of the competition! I was so hoping for a AF lens with a moderate bubble bokeh to come out! Not for the stupid highlight bubbles, but for the much more defined and interesting everyday blurs. Just my taste!
Great job using the test chart to show LOCA! It makes it more comparable between different lenses if you use the same chart instead of a different real-world test every time :)
I’m laying here half asleep and I see the cameras you’re using, and I think “wait a minute, this isn’t a fair comparison in regards to sharpness because the S5 doesn’t have an AA filter”….aaannd then you both mentioned it. You guys never miss a step 😎
Sunstars! When will you bring out a video that test the best lenses for Sunstars? I used to shoot with a Canon 16-35 f4 that produced fantastic sunstars. However I'm now on Sony and have not found anything with a native Sony mount that match this performance.
@@HappyHubris Do people actually buy L mount cameras? Personally, I think RF mount should be opened up to third party manufacturers, but RF has a better selection of affordable first party lenses than E or L, in my opinion. The 50mm is cheap and reasonable quality, the 35mm is great at a decent price, the 85mm is a little bit expensive but justifies that by being stabilized and semi macro. They’re releasing a new 16mm f/2.8 and it’s extremely compact and only $299. I do really want this in RF, esp. the 24mm, but I’m also pretty happy with the current lens lineup and roadmap.
@@mbvglider I mean there is personal preference at play, but I personally went E for third party glass. The first party RF stuff seems either very mediocre or overpriced vs Sigma/Samyang/Tamron.
I think Sigma is creating an epic system for landscape shooters. I've often thought that all I need in the tiniest black box i can get with a full frame sensor, and sharp compact primes... so these lenses on say a Sigma FP-L.... ohhhh boi!
i would love the aperture ring and i love sigma lenses but im also a weight saver at first, so i might get the SY 24 1.8. its only 230g. the tiny series is really sigmas only alternative here.
@@LuigiVN That ART Macro even outperforms the GM135, but it's big for f/2.8 because it's a macro - so a different function and form to these highly manoeuvrable lenses.
The issue with a lot of Samyang lenses is massive sample variation (I don't know about the 24mm but I used wildly varying copies of the 35mm f1.4 and 45 f1.8). And I have heard about issues from retailers themselves too. A lot of the lenses that are sent to the reviewers are really good copies although I have seen a lot of variation in results from reviewers too for some Samyangs. If you buy retail, it's essentially a lottery on whether you get a good copy. Although all lenses have sample variation, most newer first party lenses or recent Sigma/Tamron lenses don't have sample variation that's anywhere near as bad as with Samyang/Rokinon.
Gordon Laing says that they don't supply review samples so reviewers don't compare them as often. There seems to be a big push for Samyang, lately, I didn't know that they were even near Sigma in class, perhaps I'll look them up. I thought they were almost all manual, though?
You know those series' with stories within stories? We need you to zoom in on Jordan's Amadeus shirt once in a while as a window to another world... Wooden Nicholls? That 90mm is a perfect complement to anyone with one of the Art-series 85s, but if you only have one then the Panasonic is fast and, err, fast.
I don’t need 24mm but I want one for when I travel. This is a perfect 24mm to get instead of the more expensive f1.4 versions. I wish it was 1.8 but f2 is close enough.
Leica like built quality and results for these petit jewels. Now Sigma please make a 105 and 135 teles and 20 and 16mm wides for this series so that one can have a whole arsenal!
In 24 I would happily buy the Samyang 24/1.8 AF. And If I have the money, the 24/1.4 GM. In 90 or similar, the native 85/1.8 are great and not a lot of money. So, these two? Nice lenses, but I would skip.
@@TripleVR i know they all exist but not with that build quality the 14-24 seems a little better built than the 50-100 f1.8 i still wouldn’t mind a rebuild of the 24-70mm f2.8 with this quality
No no, I am going with this 90mm over any 85mm... because I am planning on trying to walk passed security guards on a concert and have a slight hope they will mistake my sony a7c (with this Sigma lens) as a regular 'tourist camera'. Even the smallest of the 85mm are too big in my opinon. (I am just a regular fan... not a concert photographer... so getting my camera inside is going to be a gamble...) Edit: Well... turns out the guards don't care one bit if you bring a camera. I even managed to get my Sigma 135mm in without issue. They only wanted to know if I had any waterbottles. Which I didn't, so I could just walk right in. It was a bit of a hassle switching lenses though, so perhaps a zoom lens would be better. I personally found that lighting wasn't such an issue, there were more than enough light on the stage, with all of the strobe and spotlights. (Though annoyingly some of the colored lights left banded stripes on the photos, so that sucked.)
How can that be a Canadian lens test chart??? No hockey pucks? No bacon? No Tim Horton's? No Molson??? That would be like making an American lens chart without guns, sleeveless T-shirts, and watered-down beer.
I don't understand why you guys think sunstars are so important. You can use an effect filter if you want them, it looks too much as a gimmick. I think that it is much more important what a lens does in the dark with street lights wide open, or against the sun wide open. Maybe more difficult to test scientifically?
I returned my Sigma 90mm. It had serious bokeh issues with straight lines leadings up to the focus point... Showed the camera store and they completely agreed and refunded my money. Anybody else seen this?
It also needs a picture of an Avro Arrow, something about hockey, and an equivalent amount of French-language text (don't you guys get in trouble if you don't do that?)
The other 24 is very light for FF, and almost a macro so still has bokeh options. It's complementary to this 24 for people who shoot street etc and value the lower weight. 28mm is "Big in Japan" so there's more pride invested in such lenses. Sigma's probably working on a couple of versions.
Also, more apt comparison to this lens would be the Samyang and Viltrox 24mm offerings which are very impressive (optics & AF especially) and excellent value. They also cater to nearly every mirrorless mount on most their lenses.
For the bokeh comparison I think it's much more interesting how the blur of busy backgrounds look than how highlights look.
I agree. It is certainly more useful to a potential buyer.
100, and if there’s any circular swirly bokeh effect as well.
If only there was some type of sample gallery where more images could be viewed
@@joeaddison You are our hero!
@@niccollsvideo Wooden Niccolls Amadeus make it happen ;-)
OMG the skipping down the path hand-in-hand 😂
You guys have the best bromance
Was just thinking...a proper bromance. 😄
I'm afraid that Chris might be abusing Jordan....
That chart is everything.
Yes! Appreciate the support. It'll be even better when we get consistent lighting for it.
00:38 so true! the best part of your videos are those 10, 15 sec where jordan is allowed to talk!
I demand from now on all DPR TV videos start with Chris&Jordan frolicking while holding hands.
I second this!!
Fourtheteted
You all are amazing. Probably my favorite TH-camrs for overview camera/lens reviews
I have the 35mm F2 Sigma and really like it. Build quality is just amazing. I liked the 58mm filter size as it matches the GH5 lenses filter thread size and I already had NDs, etc. When it came to 24mm, I considered waiting for the sigma, but saw the filter thread size and instead opted for the Rokinon 24mm f1.8 AF compact. While build quality isn't as nice as the Sigma, the size, weight, filter size of 58mm, and quality of image/autofocus has been great! Price at $499 for the Rokinon is really great as well for E mount.
BTW both filter sizes mentioned at 2:50, especially 55mm, are quite common on Sony/Minolta A-mount lenses and a few E-mount lenses.
62mm: 16-80, 18-135, 55-300 (A-mount) and 12mm Samyang with AF, 10-18 and 90mm Macro (E-mount)
55mm: A lot of A-mount lenses and 18-135 (E-mount)
JJ Abrams would love the ghosting on that 90 at F16.
"365, like the days in this godforsaken year."
I felt that.
Great to see that lens chart - any idea where the centre rectangle is from? I like all the info it packs on. Keep the reviews coming!
As always: Perfect round up of all information I want to have on a lens. Great job, keep on going!
ha! This is one of the best videos you guys have released. And I totally agree, btw, with the assessment at the end. With the Panasonic options, it's a hard sell. (24mm 1.8 and 85mm 1.8 for L mount.)
I sure love it when Chris and Jordan bring out new videos. I like to think that Jordan is my uncle and Chris is the one filming us.
Well, thanks,Chris and Jordan ( nice haircut, btw) it seems like I already have the lenses I need with the FE85f1.8 and the FE24f1.4. Always fun to check out new lenses though!
Even though they are lenses I'll never own on a system that I don't have I still watch and enjoy ☺️
Sigma is making some great lenses at great prices
I think the 90mm is more versatile for studio portraiture than the 85mm because of its shorter focus distance and better sharpness. As always a good video!
I love your videos. I really love seeing what both Chris and Jordan’s take on lenses, and cameras are.
All your videos have made me, a novice photographer become a much better one.
Thank you guys for the inspiration!
You've both overlooked something in your testing. Sun stars do require a stopped down aperture, but f/16 is mathematically way beyond the point of diffraction. Diffraction is hard limited purely by pixel size. The bigger the pixel, the less diffraction. That translates into hard stops for sensor sizes and megapixels. For example, a 12MP full frame camera is the ONLY resolution and size that can shoot at f/16 without diffraction. Change to 20MP, and that f/16 diffraction limit turns more into f/12. Downsize to APSC with the same resolution, and that f/12 turns more into f/8. Basically all APSC sensors are at least diffraction limited at f/8 or so, most full frame sensors are diffraction limited at f/12 or lower even. All you get from there is a softer image. And that's why the sun stars weren't very good.
The soapbubble bokeh makes it look 10times better than much of the competition! I was so hoping for a AF lens with a moderate bubble bokeh to come out!
Not for the stupid highlight bubbles, but for the much more defined and interesting everyday blurs. Just my taste!
Entertaining as usual, but it'd be nice to see how the lenses flair when exposed to flashlights/brights lights for the JJ Abrams among us....
I have the 45mm and I love it! It's my favorite lens
Great job using the test chart to show LOCA! It makes it more comparable between different lenses if you use the same chart instead of a different real-world test every time :)
Great review, as always! Starting to regret though that i waited too long to buy the Sony GM 24/1.4 that was on sale till yesterday. :)
I love my Sigma 65mm I series. It is hard on skin but Sony has the built in over processing . Looking at this 90mm I series
Looking forward to a comparison with the new LUMIX 24 f1.8!
The place looks really beautiful. Where did you guys shoot the video?
I’m laying here half asleep and I see the cameras you’re using, and I think “wait a minute, this isn’t a fair comparison in regards to sharpness because the S5 doesn’t have an AA filter”….aaannd then you both mentioned it. You guys never miss a step 😎
Sunstars! When will you bring out a video that test the best lenses for Sunstars? I used to shoot with a Canon 16-35 f4 that produced fantastic sunstars. However I'm now on Sony and have not found anything with a native Sony mount that match this performance.
The chart is a nice addition! Christopher Frost vibes
Please test out the Panasonic 24 mm, very curious to hear your thoughts on it.
I hope this means that the main test chart will be updated to include Jimi Hendrix's personal effects.
For these 2 guys DPReview TV doubled !
I would love this in RF mount
I’d love any lens (available) in RF mount.
Hence why people buy E and L mounts cameras. Not the best design, but man you get lenses.
@@HappyHubris Do people actually buy L mount cameras? Personally, I think RF mount should be opened up to third party manufacturers, but RF has a better selection of affordable first party lenses than E or L, in my opinion. The 50mm is cheap and reasonable quality, the 35mm is great at a decent price, the 85mm is a little bit expensive but justifies that by being stabilized and semi macro. They’re releasing a new 16mm f/2.8 and it’s extremely compact and only $299. I do really want this in RF, esp. the 24mm, but I’m also pretty happy with the current lens lineup and roadmap.
@@mbvglider I mean there is personal preference at play, but I personally went E for third party glass. The first party RF stuff seems either very mediocre or overpriced vs Sigma/Samyang/Tamron.
Hey, you can't have it! There are so few good things about L mount we need this stuff!
I think Sigma is creating an epic system for landscape shooters. I've often thought that all I need in the tiniest black box i can get with a full frame sensor, and sharp compact primes... so these lenses on say a Sigma FP-L.... ohhhh boi!
i would love the aperture ring and i love sigma lenses but im also a weight saver at first, so i might get the SY 24 1.8. its only 230g. the tiny series is really sigmas only alternative here.
Loads of great prime options not forgetting the Samsung af lenses too. As a nikon z shooter this makes me pretty jealous.
My dream is sigma adding a 105/135mm f2.8 and a 18/20mm f2.8 to this series
sigma does have an ART 105mm f2.8 macro. And an older version for DSLRs that has stabilizer and is very sharp even wide open.
@@LuigiVN That ART Macro even outperforms the GM135, but it's big for f/2.8 because it's a macro - so a different function and form to these highly manoeuvrable lenses.
@@fellowcitizen exactly
@@fellowcitizen ohhh i understand now. He meant like the Canon 100mm f2 which is pretty small and considerable smaller than the 2.8 macro one. gotcha.
Again, are you sure about weather sealing apart from that one seal at the lens mount?
Why is everyone sleeping on Samyang 24mm f1.8?
Truly - That lens is unbelievable for the price
The issue with a lot of Samyang lenses is massive sample variation (I don't know about the 24mm but I used wildly varying copies of the 35mm f1.4 and 45 f1.8). And I have heard about issues from retailers themselves too. A lot of the lenses that are sent to the reviewers are really good copies although I have seen a lot of variation in results from reviewers too for some Samyangs. If you buy retail, it's essentially a lottery on whether you get a good copy. Although all lenses have sample variation, most newer first party lenses or recent Sigma/Tamron lenses don't have sample variation that's anywhere near as bad as with Samyang/Rokinon.
Gordon Laing says that they don't supply review samples so reviewers don't compare them as often. There seems to be a big push for Samyang, lately, I didn't know that they were even near Sigma in class, perhaps I'll look them up. I thought they were almost all manual, though?
It's so sad, Samyang is neglected and invisible as usual.
still waiting for the sigma 70-200/2.8 E mount lens, it talking to be release for more than year now and still no any news.. :(
That cadaver reference had me in stitches!!!
How about Samyang 24mm F1.8? Seems like a killer lens for astro and landscape...really sharp and affordable from what i seen on reviews.
Now we have fractions on the Noct Scale, 2/11, love it.
You know those series' with stories within stories? We need you to zoom in on Jordan's Amadeus shirt once in a while as a window to another world... Wooden Nicholls?
That 90mm is a perfect complement to anyone with one of the Art-series 85s, but if you only have one then the Panasonic is fast and, err, fast.
I don’t need 24mm but I want one for when I travel. This is a perfect 24mm to get instead of the more expensive f1.4 versions. I wish it was 1.8 but f2 is close enough.
Yeah the difference is too minnimal to notice to me at least...
probably the best news i woke up too what a great time to be a photographer 📷
Chris, you wouldn't happen to have been downtown Vancouver yesterday would you?
Also, love the new chart 😂
It’s good to see Chris and Jordan enjoy their time together, just like several years ago.
Leica like built quality and results for these petit jewels. Now Sigma please make a 105 and 135 teles and 20 and 16mm wides for this series so that one can have a whole arsenal!
In 24 I would happily buy the Samyang 24/1.8 AF. And If I have the money, the 24/1.4 GM. In 90 or similar, the native 85/1.8 are great and not a lot of money. So, these two? Nice lenses, but I would skip.
About testing sharpness of a Lens, no Lens perform equal at every distance. I wish for much more in depth reviews of Lenses.
now we need sigma to add a zoom lens to the contemporary line with that build quality 😳 i would buy that in a heartbeat even pay $1000 or more for it
14-24? 18-35? 50-100?
@@TripleVR i know they all exist but not with that build quality the 14-24 seems a little better built than the 50-100 f1.8 i still wouldn’t mind a rebuild of the 24-70mm f2.8 with this quality
Your sensor needs a lil bit of tender loving clean up 5:09 .. 😊
How does this Sigma perform on the Sony A1? Does it support 30fps?
As always the review is QUALITY! 👍
From all the Jordans I know you are indeed my favorite
When is the release date for these lenses? Specifically the 24mm
I read it should be Sept 24th ( afaik in Europe)
Jordan is looking good these days!
How much for the EF-mount version?
No no, I am going with this 90mm over any 85mm... because I am planning on trying to walk passed security guards on a concert and have a slight hope they will mistake my sony a7c (with this Sigma lens) as a regular 'tourist camera'. Even the smallest of the 85mm are too big in my opinon. (I am just a regular fan... not a concert photographer... so getting my camera inside is going to be a gamble...)
Edit: Well... turns out the guards don't care one bit if you bring a camera. I even managed to get my Sigma 135mm in without issue. They only wanted to know if I had any waterbottles. Which I didn't, so I could just walk right in. It was a bit of a hassle switching lenses though, so perhaps a zoom lens would be better. I personally found that lighting wasn't such an issue, there were more than enough light on the stage, with all of the strobe and spotlights. (Though annoyingly some of the colored lights left banded stripes on the photos, so that sucked.)
same, This 90mm is perfect for the a7c. Pairing with my 35mm sony
The height difference between you is really massive, I knew about it but I see it now
He is freakishly tall. It's true.
How can that be a Canadian lens test chart??? No hockey pucks? No bacon? No Tim Horton's? No Molson??? That would be like making an American lens chart without guns, sleeveless T-shirts, and watered-down beer.
Its true that Jordan is my favorite. 😁🤘
gosh I love you two, so funny together 😂
Clicked like for the slow mo intro
Is this for fuji x bodies or just sony?
No RF mount ?
Great Video!
Thanks for the sample gallery, really helped me to decide if the F2 is what iam looking for. Spoiler: it is. Just preordered it :D
RF or Z mount please.
I wanna see a 135mm f3.5
I can only remember 0:25 to 0:31 of this video. Absolutely nothing else.....LOL
What a cute and gorgeous daughter you have Chris. Keeping the red hair gene alive.
I don't understand why you guys think sunstars are so important. You can use an effect filter if you want them, it looks too much as a gimmick. I think that it is much more important what a lens does in the dark with street lights wide open, or against the sun wide open. Maybe more difficult to test scientifically?
Your board is missing a bottle of Moosehead and Canadian bacon.
Good suggestions. Moosehead is not my favourite though. How about some Unibroue labels? Live almost everything they make.
pleas do vido bout sigma
The autofocus tone sounds like cricket
Jordan, was that a skip!?
My suspicions about their orientation has proved right.
PLEASE, don't use the moiré chart as a center sharpness tool. The dollar bill is much better for judging sharpness.
In case no one has said so already: These lenses are NOT weather sealed, only the gasket.
I returned my Sigma 90mm. It had serious bokeh issues with straight lines leadings up to the focus point... Showed the camera store and they completely agreed and refunded my money.
Anybody else seen this?
Nice combo!
Samyang 24mm 1.8 all the way!
Love the new Canadian test pattern!
Your thumbnail says 90mm F2 o_O
You found an old dollar bill!!! Add a maple syrup label to the chart.
It also needs a picture of an Avro Arrow, something about hockey, and an equivalent amount of French-language text (don't you guys get in trouble if you don't do that?)
Finally A7siii replaced your Nikon z6 as your main camera 🤣
Why Sigma overlap the 24mm, this one should be 28mm f2
The other 24 is very light for FF, and almost a macro so still has bokeh options. It's complementary to this 24 for people who shoot street etc and value the lower weight.
28mm is "Big in Japan" so there's more pride invested in such lenses. Sigma's probably working on a couple of versions.
I loved the s1h footages better. Don’t know why
Chris will never learn to wear real shoes.
Old habit die hard 😅
I dress almost exactly like Chris, everyday when it's warm, even have the same sandals, in fact I own multiple pairs so I have backups. LOL 🤷♂️
@@venom5809 That's the Spirit!
Chris... no slippers again TAT
Great job guys. Waiting for you to review Fuji’s new 23 f1.4 soon. Cheers
Dark!
🤩👌
Ahh I have the same ugly looking bamboo wall!
Sigma, we need f1,4 primes with minimum focus breathing as well. It does not exist today. You can do it!
Lol, you guys are hilarious together :)
Also, more apt comparison to this lens would be the Samyang and Viltrox 24mm offerings which are very impressive (optics & AF especially) and excellent value. They also cater to nearly every mirrorless mount on most their lenses.