Silly mistake for a driving disqualification
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- Using your phone at a drive through can get you 6 points and a fine on your driving licence unless you use it within the exemption!
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Distracted while driving sounds like nearly every new car these days, so many distractions even the heater has haptic controls. Virtually nothing in the car you can use by feel, you have to take your eyes off the road to scroll through multiple menus.
Its highly likely that on a journey of over 30 minutes the driver will, at some point, do something that could amount to driving without due care and attention
So do not do it
@@dougaldouglas8842not that easy, my car has no manual controls for the direction of the heater, if I have the heater pointing towards me and need to put it towards the window if it starts steaming up, I need to press the menu button where my heater controls should be, then use my touch screen to put the fan direction where I need it. If I just don’t do it I can’t see where I’m going.
It's a bit impractical to have to stop to turn on the demist function or adjust the cabin temperature. Car designers need to get over this minimalist view they have for cars and start designing around the driver again. Putting the speed in the top corner of a touch screen in the centre of the dash where it is difficult to see in direct sunlight is another bad habit they have developed. What on earth is wrong with having the speed clearly displayed in front of the driver to minimise the length of time their eyes are off the road?
@@bretton_woodsdoes that include turning on your windscreen wiper. One car I rented required to use a touch screen on a second screen.
As a HGV driver I can look down into cars and it's now extremely unusual to see a driver who is not using a phone. Texting at traffic lights appears to be mandatory.
As I have seen many hgv drivers too, but more blatantly
Get yourself a head-cam and report them, please, please, please. Thank you.
Texting at tracing traffic lights is perfectly safe that’s why
St200 you weirdo - there not harming anyone. Get a grip
St200?
I do find it funny that you can't use your phone but most cars have massive screens to change everything from air temp to putting the wipers on.....
They gotta keep making cellphones convenient
But if you’re distracted by it and not in control of the vehicle you can still be prosecuted for it.
@@badabing8884There are massive touch screens in cars which in my opinion are far more dangerous. The driver tap tap taping at 70 miles an hour down the motorway 8s a distraction.
Mine runs whatsapp / facebook / insta. As long as no 'moving images' are on it, it's legal!
Different type of distraction. Studies have been done that show how mobile device interaction affects a portion of the brain that's not affected when drivers operate other controls. It's the same portion of the brain that makes a driver turn down the radio or music volume when they get lost or find themselves on unfamiliar roads..... So they can concentrate more. If you've driven for any length of time you would have done this. Partly the reason why specific legislation came out but the average person doesn't accept this, well because they know better...
If you are within 2 years of passing your test 6 points will cost you your licence and you will have to reapply for a provisional licence and retake both your theory and driving tests before getting your licence back
And the insurance company will charge you a premium for the rest of your life...
My 2 years will be up in August, can’t wait 😂
@@ZachAsaDwhy? 🤔 If you drive well and within the law then you shouldn't need to worry about getting points.
Will definitely be avoiding you on the road!
I agree with not using devices when in control of a vehicle 100% the amount of people I see in the fast lane sending txt at 70+ mph the law isn't harsh enough for them.
I don't think it's fair to get points and a fine when did they start doing that?
You don't have to be in the car to get a DUI just the keys on you is that really fair.
Do police cars have multiple devices added to there cars + personal ones.
should the police person I walked past the other day be subject to this as engine was running wile he was scrolling threw his phone on the side of the road as traffic drove around him?
@@ZachAsaD hope you have learnt from losing your licence
Its amazing because McDonalds pressures you to use the app every time you go through the drive through.
Overly specific regulations like this are such a waste of time drafting; they quickly become irrelevant, or absurd for new use cases that couldn't be foreseen.
Case in point:
- You've ordered your McD's through the app.
- You arrive at the drive-through.
- You pick up your phone to read off your check-in code at the 1st window.
OOPS! 6 points!
The regulations should've either clarified the definition of 'driving' to exempt stationary vehicles, or made the 110 exemptions broader in scope, but explicitly require the vehicle's handbrake to be active throughout.
Any copper doing you for this will find his name on the Karma gates of hell.
Well, you'd get a ban unless your a football player or Katie Price.
Not always true. Remember the fine that a celebrity Geordie received for drunk driving?
@@hairyairey who was that?
@@ChoppingtonOtter £86,000 fine and banned from driving for at least 15 months. There are not that many celebrity Geordies, especially one that's part of a "couple".
My friend recently had 12 points but went in front of the judge and didn't get banned because he needs to drive for work. He is a lorry driver.
The system works, kinda..
Katie whatshername has been disqualified from driving SIX times
That makes me think about the situation which we often do. Some country pubs allow camper vans to stay the night in their carpark provided we eat and drink in the pub that evening. So, having had a drink, with no intention to go onto the road or to move the vehicle at all, would the driver be liable as being drunk in charge of the vehicle, or however the actual offence is worded?
in Belgium ( flemish part ) from now using your phone while driving you have to pay a fine and you are banned for driving for 15 days .....
AMAI DAS GOE NIEUWS :-)
That's probably still preferable and possibly more fair than getting 6 points like here in the UK.
In South East London (the phlegmish part) residents die due to air quality 👉🤢👈
"There is some degree of discretion that the police are going to use"
And the Comedian of the Year award goes to...
The Tories?
That’s reserved for their colleagues.
I used to be a Special Constable and let a few people off with words of advice who were using their phones whilst queueing in traffic.
One woman had her 6 year old son in the car, but I decided against the ticket.
How kind of you to not be a total cunt for that one day@@thedoctor007dfw
@@thedoctor007dfwyes it's definitely possible to show discretion if there's a good reason to do so. Doesn't always happen to me though, BTP seem to have kept records on me going back over 15 years despite not having committed any offence!
This must be why so many police officers spend 98% of there shift in McDonald's
Two weeks ago, I was nearly struck by a woman coming out of a drive-through window with her eyes glued to her cell phone. I luckily had the opportunity to leap back in time. She never even looked up and kept going.
Yet all McDonalds ask at the drive through when ordering - "Are you using the McDonalds app today", prompting people to reach for their phone?
Until I saw this video I had not considered that aspect. All drive-throughs I've used (McDonanlds, Burger King and KFC) ask for the code when you are at the order kiosk. So it looks like you could be done for that. I guess technically you could be done for that exact same thing at the payment window as you are only allowed to use the phone to pay. Must admit I don't know where the heck I stand with all this. Maybe I need to write the code down on a piece of paper and use that. I totally agree with not using your phone, but there has to be leeway in these circumstances.
@@zalidtheburit has already been explained that using your 'phone for this purpose in a drive through is permitted.
That's a new one on me as I thought it only counted on the public highway. I'm glad I saw this, not that I use my phone while driving.
Literally had a guy at traffic lights heading towards a hospital a few weeks ago, had his phone in the cradle and was watching a TH-cam video! Just ridiculous!
The police officer would have to be a pretty sick, mean character to nobble someone at the drive-through desk!
You ever visited Essex?
Have you ever interacted with the police???
My boss seems to think if we are driving his calls take priority over law, he has disciplined more than 1 employee for not answering their phone 👎👎
Does your boss pay the fine and take the points too? Sounds like that employee may need bbb's email address!!
Colleague could get that sorted under employment law
he sounds like a berkley hunt. Toxic, get out whilst you still can!
Make sure you record a conversation when you haven’t answered a call then call later when you can safely do so and get him/her telling you that his calls supersede the law then when the boss does ever go to sack you you can blackmail them or send the recording to the police.
@@SnowyAspenHills you have to tell the boss your recording them first and if not it could well be entrapment which a judge would not like in the uk.....oh blackmail is a no no.
This is a fantastic channel. I would’ve argued all day that it was private property and you were entitled to use your phone but then I’m an idiot and you are not love this channel. Very clever person thanks.
Vehicle violations are one of the few things the gunless cops/watchmen seem to do there. Catching criminals or stopping violent crime is not their thing. Remember one police dept used a helicopter to take video of nurse driving with an apple in her hand. Ten court dates later she was fine $150 but it cost the government $400 to punish her not including the cost of the helicopter. So traffic violations are high on the list.
You've got the same legal system quietly in place 🌈
The use of mobile phones while driving is a distraction that kills. Would you say the same about someone who was driving while intoxicated?
On the current trend vehicle violations may be coming to an end. Cars will be banned in towns and cities or the tolls will be so high it will be unaffordable to drive. They may find a way to give you tickets for certain behaviors on the crowded buses.
I had my licence suspended for the silly mistake of actually telling the DVLA how much I drink...
We know that all these rules is dependent upon what mood the police is in
The best bit of advice is this: apologize and immediately stop what you are doing. 99% you will be fine. However with Kids in the car, be careful.
In Australia police can book you for drink driving if you're over the alcohol limit and sitting in your car listening to the radio in your own garage if the car keys are in the ignition.
Mad how the UK doesn’t actually operate under its own law correctly
When an ex-work colleague of mine was banned from driving he came into work to really upset the boss and was sacked. He did that so he could claim benefits straight away. I remember him saying that with a wife and four children living in a rented house and no more cost of running a car, he was better off not working. When his driving ban was over he didn't apply for his licence back and just remained on benefits for years.
I'd be very interested to see how the maths worked out on that.
Clearly your ex-coworker was an idiot
Such a fulfilling life on benefits eh 😂 Some people
Your ex colleague should not have children, especially four of them.
@@incandescentwithrageAre you an amateur arse or semi-professional? There is no waiting time when you are sacked. Working a 35 hour week at minimum wage with rent, council tax, utilities to pay plus household bills and and six mouths to feed will yield very little in disposable income. A proper benefits claim will give help with rent, council tax, free school meals, free prescriptions and eye tests, heating help, warm homes discounts, cost of living support and lower cost broadband. Assuming private rented accommodation and four children under 16, this person’s total benefits will yield £508.15 weekly. Additional benefits will be no costs of commuting, no getting up early and no stress. If @jimdavis5230’s fiend is in social housing then the benefit is even greater. You did do these sums, didn’t you?
@@Trevor_Austin A professional.
4 kids and a non- working wife in a rental.. while earning minimum wage as you've theorised.
Quite the family.
Amending the law so that it's an offence to use a mobile device while the car is running and in gear would simplify things.
If electric cars weren't a thing, and you could prove one way or the other what state a car was in when a phone was being used...
How about if it's a start-stop engine that is not running?
@@dopiaza2006 If the car isn't running then there can't be any distracted driving?
The law is meant to be there to stop drivers from being distracted and running into things.
@@jonny5alive123 If you are driving a car with automatic gearbox and start-stop engine then all it takes is to lift your foot off the brake pedal and it will move forward
Hands free banned then?
Comprehensive, very nice, thank you.
Well here is one for you to ponder.
My occupation is delivery driver along with my son who does all the talking at deliveries and using the phone as
I am mute, I have aphasia caused by mini strokes, I rely on a speech app to communicate with him, you type what you want to say, (by the way it predicts the words) and then speaks for me.
So while doing the above, a policeman comes in front of me indicating for me to follow him and pull over, he proceeds to advise me he “witnessed me using a mobile phone while driving “ and promptly asked for my license, I then proceeded to explain with the assistance of my son, that I do not speak and was using my speech app to communicate with my son, to which he responded “it makes no difference, I’m still reporting you for the offence of using a mobile telephone while driving “ I typed “what am I supposed to do?” His reply was”get your son to hold the device and you tap what you want to say “!!!
He gave me a small printed leaflet outlining the dangers of using a phone while driving, asked me to sign and said I would hear from them in a couple of months.
This was 4 weeks ago, so any thoughts on how I stand? Should I go to court?
You're texting your son, who is sitting next to you while you're driving? Seems very dangerous. You should get a desk job.
What is even worse, if u use mcdonald's app to order food, when u arrive you have to click to say u have arrived and show your phone to them at the window, so either way u have to use your phone and u get offers and rewards for using the app
Points mean prizes 😂
Is there an offence of incitement to commit a crime?
Don't think there is on purpose, but giving rewards to use the app incentives the usa of the app and the only way to do that is to use your phone when u arrive at the drive through, it doesn't have a disclaimer saying plz stop the car and turn the engine off before u use your phone
Use the drive thru
When I ate fast food from drive thrus, some of the order codes that I needed to quote were almost hieroglyphics and I needed to activate the phone screen to remind me of them.
I despise use of phones on the road but in this instance whilst stationary, I see no issue with it.
So what about the Tesla and it’s screen ?
As I have said before the law was changed to make private land part of the public highway to stop car cruising.
Cars that rely on menu driven controls for frequently adjusted functions like heating are a step backwards. My car has simple rotary controls for these functions.
That’s cleared my question then
I’m surprised by no mention of hands free in the video. I’ve read here and there that interacting with your phone is okay (for sat nav etc) if it’s on a hand free dock. It’d be interesting to know if this is grounded in law at all.
Yes it is. It's not hand held at the time.
It was briefly covered early in the video, it was not the main subject. It is mainly about handling the phone to make a payment while at a drive through. Once mounted in a cradle or in your pocket, once the cars Bluetooth is connected, so long as you don't get distracted enough to impact on driving!
I don't think it is legal to interact with a sat nav or phone navigation whilst driving as it can serve as a distraction. Even instruction manual warnings tell you to ensure you are set up before you start moving. But as different countries have different laws, there are no specifics as each country's law is nuanced.
@@matt_acton-varian
Yes it is. It's specifically covered in the regulation and is ok if mounted in a cradle.
@@matt_acton-varian I believe this is specifically a UK law channel so my question was in the context of that.
I have found that this channel does have a video about using phones in cradles/hands free. As mentioned above it is fine as long as you don’t drive without due care and attention - which also applies to car infotainment systems.
Most of them dont think, they just call. They should put this on the driving test! Get rid of a lot of thoughtless drivers.
Smoking and vaping... Why are they still permitted to be held whilst driving? Some vape machines are so big you can't grip them and the steering wheel, and what if you drop the cigerette or such? We all know there is a offence for not being in control of a vehicle, but why are these two still permitted? Why aren't they banned outright?
You mentioned if you were prosecuting or defending. I wondered in a case where you were the defender and your other you was prosecuting, who would win?
So those of us that went to a drive-in COVID test centre or ever needed to display a QR code for scanning have all broken this law.
Using a mobile phone, whilst driving, is evil, wicked and it should be more than six points for endangering the lives of others on the road. People know full well that they should not be using a mobile phone whilst driving, in their hands, but f ck society, is their attitude, except when they want something from society.
I agree. Similarly, drunk driving should be an instant lifetime ban.
@@xTerminatorAndy Absolutely, total ban, and any person breaching the ban should be imprisoned
when you go into mcdonalds drive through, the first thing they ask, is if you are using the app today.
You should be given 6points automatically if you park at a air/water station at a garage while not using it.
...or on an ev parking lot while using a gas car...or on a handicapped person spot.
I mean there are laws punishing, but i always see the handicapped parking spots at lidl stores occupied by everyone else. See the people as they come out of the store or just park the car and no handicap to speak off.
Or the places for young kids with a parent.
Having a child seat inside the car and you being alone without any small child doesn't qualify you to take that spot or having the handicap tag but the person in question isn't using the vehicle with you.
@@roberts.wilson1848 The idea of them being "disabled" spaces left long time ago with the "not every disability is visible" lot. People with these "disabilities" that are so hidden they can still walk jog and run should have some consideration for those that can't.
As for parent & chid spaces, I love using them. For those with a disability I respect the need for those allocated spaces. For those who get allocated spaces for simply making a lifestyle choice to have kids, I have no interest.
Some of that is not only unreasonable but irrational. Typifies the dumkovs who write these ridiculous rules!!
They know exactly what they're doing
So why do the police use personal phones with engine running, oh yes discretion not to get another cop in trouble?
Best way to avoid getting 6 points at a drive thru is to not queue jump the police as they queue for their lunch.
Funny I always remember being at a road junction and a police car was on one of the other roads joining, I flashed my lights to let him go but he never moved so I did, when I passed him he was making a phone call, it wasn't his radio I could clearly see he was holding his phone.
On this subject what if you are in a car park, can you not use your phone there, like already said it is private land but also a public place?
Apparently when you put on a police uniform you automatically become a highly skilled driver that can multitask while driving... apparently.
Surely SatNavs have are a distraction. The screen gives you visual directions while the ' voice ' does like wise, but who doesn't look at the screen when driving? Shouldn't SatNavs be voice only to prevent the looking distraction?
The simple answr is stop eating tasteless rubbish at crappy drive thru's
Every time I watch one of these it reinforces my belief in the old song "I'll sing you a song, and it's not very long, all coppers have unmarried parents".
What about using your phone to bring up a loyalty card for the cashier to scan? - This may be to collect points rather than to actually pay for the products with the points. Technically this may not be within the letter of the law, but perhaps should be as it's part of the transaction.
Also, if you do turn the car off, handbrake on and it's effectively parked, Do these rules still apply? Would that also apply if a driver pulls over at the side of the road to make a call?
How many serious accidents have been caused by the use of a mobile phone in a drive through? (Excluding law enforcement who are exempt from such laws)
Transport Select Committee recommendation to BAN all use of phones - Amandment to Regulation 110. The TSC in August 2019 published their findings (Road safety: driving while using a mobile phone) and recommended the amendment of Regualtion 110 to remove the distinction between Hands Free/ Hand held. The reason, using a phone was the just as dangerous (4 times more likely to crash) when used hands free. I'm still praying that one day, MPs will deliver on this.
Could you show this video to the police? Pointed out to the police a car with illegal number plates, no tax and no MOT in a council carpark and the said there was nothing they could do because it was a 'private' carpark.
Christ, those screens in Tesla's, virtually a cinema that I'm sure some watch as gospel...
It's funny. I can go eyes in and tap away on google and spotify on android auto, but I can't hold my phone at eye level to keep an eye on the road to do the same thing.
This seems to suggest that if you pull totally off the road into a layby, park your car and turn off the engine, you can still get 6 points and a fine if you make a phone call. Same if you are in the car park at the services. How does this improve road safety?
Scenario: you're driving, police pull you over, you don't like the tone of his voice and feel it might be best to record the event. No dashcam. What do you do? What would you use to record the event?
Maybe learn like Pilot in GA, to be able to touch any button asked with a blindfold !
I think you're missing the point regulation 110 requires the offence to be on a road not "a road or a public place". Not every public place is a road, it's a question of fact for the court to determine if its a road or not. Suggesting 110 applies as a blanket to public places is incorrect. If the writers of 110 had intended that they'd have written "road or public place" as they did with many other offences. They didn't they put "on a road"
It's clear there is a difference between a road and public place as the motor vehicle insurance requirements and corresponding definition of an accident were amended in 2001 to add "or public place" to bring us in line with the then EU regulations. If a road was the same as a public place there would have been no need for the amendment
There is a big difference between the legal definition of a law and the practical application of the law. Getting prosecuted in a drive thru' for having your phone in your hand, whilst stationary, would be very unusual and I would suggest that there would have to be other aggravating factors for such an action to be detected, and charged/prosecuted. Not for one minute suggesting that this gives carte blanche to go ahead and use without fear of prosecution.
There's a big difference between the purpose or intended application of a law, and a pedantic application of it for any and all instances that might technically be captured by the law.
Have many times in the past, whilst parked up in a fast food place, had my phone on the mount, watching tv or YT.
The law devotes an astonishing amount of time in its efforts (essentially) to catch out motorists and to prosecute same and yet, on the evidence, so much less on bringing real criminals - those committing heinous atrocities - to book. The “evidence” being the very low rate of successful prosecutions for burglary, rape and theft compared those brought for motoring offences” and TV licence fee evasion……..something drastically wrong here, methinks.
What do TV licencing and motorists have in common?
I drive a truck. Im told it's socially unacceptable to use a mobile phone when driving. I see it every day. I can assure you a large amount of drivers absolutely think it's socially acceptable to use a phone when driving.
Should be banned for life, they've no idea how dangerous it is looking at an email whilst stationary in a MacDonalds drive through.
When you are out driving. Look at those you see who are using their mobile while driving. Most will be driving Vehicle's less than 6 years old . The vast majority of these vehicles have some form of Bluetoth phone connectivity built in. This seems to be even more previlant in those in very expensive vehicles.
Time for any complaints of it will cause financial distress to the driver and their family to be binned.
If I remember correctly there was some business owner, who had racked up something like 20 points but still had his licence. Each time a Judge threatened to remove his licence, he threatened to wind up his business and make 15+ people unemployed . The Judges seemed to cave in to his threats. Why? Ok 15 loose their jobs, but what happens if the boss kills a family in a crash? Could the Judges have counter threatened to fine him the value of the business if he did that.
None of this would have happened if they just didn’t accept any of these excuses. That driver wouldn’t have kept on offending knowing they would get away with it.
That's interesting. It doesn't sound like something I'd do, but it's one of those things you might do without thinking about one day. So it's useful to know, thank you.
Always fascinating to watch and learn. ❤
George Orwell was 40 years early!
So where does the highway and its rules stop. Would a person be penalised the same way if they done the same thing on their driveway without any barriers restricting access?
Are we now supposed to accept that private property is subject to rules that are clearly aimed at highway use? This is nonsense, it's not sensible.
So,for example a driver drives their vehicle in a supermarket car park against the direction arrows,does that mean that they are breaking the law,the same way as driving the wrong way on a one way street?
I don't think so because the road markings have not been applied by the Ministry of transport, so are not considered breach of the highway code. For example to make a road one way procedures would be following by the authorities involved first. My ex got caught driving through a no entry sign in front of a parade of shops. She got a local council fine, but could not be given points on her license because it was just a breach of council by law, and the council have no authority to issue points. The mobile phone law is applicable to driving a vehicle in a public place, not restricted to just the highway
@@Phantom-mk4kp ok,thanks for clarifying that.
don't get out of your car on a petrol station forecourt and make an emergency call - you may create another emergency.
I just blows my mind that you can freely watch tv in the car in Japan. In Australia my car has been modified to not even display the map on the screen when paired with my phone. Some laws are just ridiculous.
What make & model is that car, please?
@@freespirit1411 mine is a subaru impreza.
in a scale to 10 how stupid is it to policing drive throughs for drivers using mobile phones when other could be playing games on their big screens in the same area?
I understand everything you've clarified however is there a legal distinction of "private property"
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The QEII bridge in Dartford is owned by a private company, it has road markings signage - all intents the same as the publicly owned highway/network.
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It was alleged quite a few years ago the road traffic regulation didn't apply to the QE II bridge due to it being
"private property"
This may be a technicality..
In the case of MCDs car park there are no road markings or speed signage indicating a McDonald's car park as a "roadway"
( dual carriageway, motorway etc)
In this respect, could a person sitting in their car on their driveway using their mobile with the engine running also liable to prosecution because, a front garden is perceived to not be a private place (as viewed from thr road) and also doesn't have road markings or singage?
2/another aspect is road safety.
The reaosn for the mobile regulation is public safety, and quite right to.
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However, could it be argued, there is no actual "danger" to the public on private land while ordering food.?
I understand the law allows prosecution. but could these be a counter argument?
And I see so many cyclists using their phones and riding with no hands on the handle bars, where's the law around this, is a bike still not a vehicle since a vehicle is used to get you about, same can be said for mobility scooters, which I see people using their phones while riding to the shops. Seems the law works against some and not others.
I went to SA for a month a year ago, I couldn't believe how much freedom theu have there, even on motorway road repair they don't close lanes, they put up a sign with a prayre icon saying 'please don't kill us' this was more effective than all the signs, ballards and cameras as you could focus more with less distraction and less hazards.
how do you know something is an emergency if you cant look at your phone?
Exceptions Reg 110(5, 5A, 5B) Con & Use Regs - “That person is using the mobile telephone or other device to make a contactless payment for goods or service…” Is the latest and sadly the last Hughes wrong? I know the last CPS Pros Guidelines I perused mentioned that it wasn’t in the public interest or in the spirit of legislation to do so. Am I out of date or incorrect please? Ahhhh, then I watched the rest of your vid… Doh
Using this logic then what if you have alcohol and sleep in your campervan at a camp site? Can you be prosecuted for excess alcohol in charge of a vehicle? I’ve heard of issues with people parking up on the road so just extending the logic based upon this video.
I'm glad people like you are making these videos as some people still don't know the rules, of course there are still people who believe the rules are silly and will use their mobile devices illegally. Lots of people have never being taught right from wrong, nothing we can do about those people.
I fully support the police having wide powers to allow them to do their job, but this is a case where the police need to apply commonsense. It is difficult to understand how someone at a drive through is a risk to road safety if they use their smart phone. Perhaps we need a list of typical defences, such as I was queuing at a drive through. The same is true when someone who is over the alcohol limit is asleep on the back seat of their car, they have already demonstrated an intent not to drive.
The job of the police is to apply the law, not commonsense.
Its a lottery the more miles you do, or more tickets you buy, makes it more likely you will win prizes. Everybody will make mistakes when driving. Everybody that drives diliberatly brakes the law at some point. We are not robots.
What happens when a police officer breaks this rule.
Why can't you solicitors take on the police and judges using your voice.
Something which I question, is the number of people who now use their phone as a sat nav, Google maps or Ways, and added to that, sticking their phone, often a large one, on their windscreen which must block part of their vision.
I understand the law is clear on touching your phone while sitting in the driving seat , but the safety of exactly who is at risk in this situation ? what is the yearly death toll on drive through lanes and why are the police enforcing this when they have more serious crimes to deal with ?
These laws have gotten out of hand. Chatting or texting on a phone whilst driving along, I can understand might be dangerous, but whilst stopped in a drive through queue? Where is the danger to life and limb there? Here’s the problem…These muppets who draft these laws and regulation never have to account to an independent body for common sense validation. Basically any crazy and unreasonable ideas they want enshrined in law are simply rubber stamped no matter how ridiculous or over reaching.
These 'muppets', as you refer to them, actually make the law simple to understand. They use the same principle as the human paying at the checkout. You stop, present payment, collect your items, exit the shopping aisle and then eventually egress the store. Identical pathway to a drive-through if you think about the process. Where people will fall foul is to attempt to order their items before they enter the drive-through, so legally speaking (as Dan has stated), you leave yourself open to potential prosecution if witnessed or recorded by CCTV/Dashcam.
20mph everywhere anyone. So true !
So it's fine to hold your phone in your hand as long as you're paying some VAT. Kinda shitty but I appreciate the good advice. Thanks
Yes, a lot of drivers use their phones while in motion. No, the solution is not to make it illegal to use your phone unless you get out of your car. These laws are stupid, and any police enforcing them are stupid.
This video also made me consider car insurance on private land which is considered a public space. There have been discussions in various groups about car insurance not paying out for incidents on private land. Not sure if this is explained in the insurance document small print out not but would be good to hear your view on this. Love your videos where I often detect (I think) some subtle humour.
This regulation went so much wrong, that it is making the whole UK look silly. The common sense has flown out of the heads. The original goal was to avoid distracting drivers while their vehicle is in motion. When a car is stopped, particularly with hand break on or in park mode this law DISSERVES in many cases. i.e. you are stationery but want to record an incident etc. Then you do not pose any threat to the public by using your phone.
They tightened it up to stop people picking the phone up and using at traffic lights and in stop/start traffic.
People think it's an emergency to take a call about what little Jack wants for tea.
Put your phones away while driving.
Use a bank card if you really are that desperate to use those ghastly drive though places
At a drive thru I turn off car, put keys on roof, use phone app then restart car etc. Cops can't say I am operating a vehicle
As the highway code does not apply to driving on private land the police should not be able to hand out penalties, traffic police are not compliant with the rules of law enforcement, if you challenge the police it will cost you legal fees and will be seen as being awkward . Driving is a means to going about ones daily business but to a traffic officer it means you are a volunteer target for penalties and a fine . Of course we all know that the police are the only ones capable and qualified to drive outside of the rules which are getting more and more complex every day that passes ....right let's watch the rest of the video ..
When I am driving and I get a phone call, I always pull over to answer the phone, I guess that I am breaking the law by doing that now.
Do I have to turn off the engine and get out of the car to answer it now ??
The nanny state is going too far now.
You must be parked with the engine off to make a call - BBB has made that clear in previous videos.
Does this change when the engine is off?
e.g. scenario 1 - I get into my car turn on the ignition to get power, bluetooth etc and the engine is still off. I take the phone out my pocket, open the satnav app and place it in it's cradle.
scenario 2 - I stop in the drive-through and when I'm stationary the car auto-stops the engine. I take the phone out my pocket, open the satnav app and place it in it's cradle.
In both cases the car is stationary without motorised power while the phone is in-hand and unlocked.
Dont use the drive thru, get off ya backsides and go into the establishments to order. I wonder how long it would be before some action is taken to deal with the crowding in some of the diners.
How about parked with engine running due to adverse weather
So, by the reasoning that the drive-through is a public space and so driving your vehicle there is under the same rules as a regular road, can you assume that a carpark also applies? Would you get the same penalty for say getting your car into a parking space then before getting out you call your spouse to see if there is anything they need while you are in a shop? You have not got out of the car yet so it's not considered parked yet as per one of your previous videos explaining what is considered as parked.
Is it true that you aren't allowed to use a mobile phone at a petrol station? I can find contradictory information online.