almost all of these are good laws preventing injury or death. And designers can design great looking cars around these laws - they just can't be bothered to.
If the lights are mounted high, they should be pointed more downwards. The cutoff line should meet the road a certain distance in front of the car. On all cars (in Europe at least) you will find a sticker on or near the lights with a percentage number, ( like -1.5% ) This indicates how much the lights should be pointing downwards, and will vary with the height of the lights.
Tbh it would be better to aim this outrage at the car manufacturers rather than the laws. Nobody is forcing these companies to make half of these designs look so bad. They just don't want to take a risk on making big redesigns so they're just trying to cram these new things into old designs in as cheap a way as possible.
@@krane15 Vw cars got cheaper interior than before. Tried a merc CLA it was so bad, I laughed out loud. Same for the base E classe, and everything below. Volvo feels much cheaper inside than before, XC60 and under. I had over 40 cars, also petrol head so always driving, trying new stuff, been at the Nurburgring many times and so on... If I want good quality and sporty amazing feel, then Porsche. If I want proper interior quality, reliability, luxory and 10 years of warranty, then Lexus. Much better interior quality then the 3 german or Volvo. And I had 7 volvos, but not any more. MG is a cheap chinese EV brand now like many others. And you can add many many more to this list.
Hiring unqualified people is a problem for many organizations around the world. Qualified people would be able to fix all these issues without destroying the design of the car. We are seeing this lack of HR hiring skills from car makers to Boeing to the government. And in some cases the work performed by these unqualified individuals is actually dangerous.
Important to note that the unqualified people are usually those in management. The engineering teams of car manufacturers are usually super good, but the management needs to cut costs everywhere. Ford with the infamous Powershift is a good example. The engineers literally told the management that the transmission will not last, yet they didn't care.
It's bio leninism. Organisations promote based on loyalty and nepotism, so they discriminate against highly competent people since they can go work anywhere. And yes it's race related. Huge numbers of Indians promoting each other regardless of competence.
You do realize that HR doesn't hire anyone right? Employment offers are initiated by the direct manager. Government intervention plays a huge role generating a lot of the issues in design, development and manufacturing of many modern consumer goods.
I love the design from the old bmw and new ones aswell, i Just cant afford new ones thats why i drive the old f22 and not the new g42🥲 Aswell an old e85 If i had the money i only would drive the new Models 😞
People still buy these cars just to say that they own an expensive car. Even if they're uglier, the auto industry has successfully convinced us that cars are a status symbol, so people will buy these cars to satisfy their egos. They have no reason to change it if people don't stop buying.
Imagine whining about safety features that saves lives simply because it "looks ugly". "Sorry I hit your family cat since I pulled the AEBS out of the front, but I needed to make sure my car looks pwetty".
@@andrewvaughan5686 Oh will you look at that. A boomer who peaked in high school. Hit the jackpot on this one if you think "nerd" is supposed to be used as a slur these days. Also you realize that the way you present yourself gives the implication that if a human hit your gigantic SUV; you'd be more upset by your car getting dented than the poor life you just took?
@@BeefIngot egh... significantly is a big exaggeration. Also as the old car enthusiast saying goes, if you don't want to die don't crash, if you are about to crash, crash hard.
Which is a win-win situation, cuz: 1- it doesn't ruin the look of the car 2- putting stuff in badges is ooooollllllddddd, I have seen stuff like this for more than 20 years, I mean, look at older VWs with the tailgate handle built-in the rear badge, as well as BMW's 6-series parking camera. So it's not hard neither too expensive to put stuff in badges, so in these cases, manufacturers are just lazy.
The sensor in the S63 AMG is actually a LIDAR and is only equipped if you order the level 3 Drive Pilot, so in most markets like UK you won't have this sensor.
It's got nothing to do with safety laws ruining how cars look and everything to do with companies being too lazy to design cars that incorporate then and look good... just look at the Mazda 3 as an example, incorporates all the same auto braking as the Mercedes but because they've taken some time to design it it, you wouldn't even know.
Big difference is that Mazda also adds all that as standard, with a couple of extra bits on the very top of the range. Mercedes charge extra for all of it so have to design 2+ front ends to account for the gaping holes they would be leaving otherwise
Everytime I look at it, the sharp edges cuts my retinas -is- it's that damn ugly and yes I'm being hyperbolic lol. But yeah... who'd have thought a "futuristic" design would be a brutalist architectural design from the 1960s on wheels lol...
Why the hell _don’t_ cars have dedicated spots on the front the license plates? They do on the back so why not the front? Thank you Mat, I’m not gonna sleep tonight because of you.
Most states in the USA require a front plate, but there are plenty that don’t. I think the bigger design issue is trying to find a dedicated space that would work with European style plates, versus the style used in the USA and elsewhere.
In the US, some states don't require front license plates. My last car had a place molded into the front bumper for a plate but my current car doesn't and it looks good without it because my state doesn't require a front plate. If anyone needs to know my license plate number, they can get behind me.
The sensor on the AMG S-Class doesn't have anything to do with the AEB. It's only there if you buy the Level 3 autonomous system. Besides: all of those laws make sense from a safety and efficiency perspective. Some companies implement them nicely, some don't. It truly speaks to the ability of the designers
Correct. Furthermore there is a trend for radar sensors to increase in frequency for better performance, typically from 24GHz to 77-81GHz. These have a shorter wavelength, and are less easily transmitted through metallic paint, hence they are less easily hidden. And yes, they are more frequently found on more expensive cars.
The safety improvements are arguable. All these automatic safety features encourage drivers to just trust their cars to keep them and everyone around them safe which makes drivers less alert and thus less safe. Don't get me wrong, safety is of course important. But AEB and lane keeping assist are good examples of "safety" features that simply encourage drivers to relax and not pay attention.
Basically car makers have to change their design language to incorporate these sensors. I thought Renaults idea to make an extra big badge that contains the front sensor was really good. Mercedes could easily do something similar.
The badges are stolen in South Africa to decorate hooligan helmets at football matches, we will suffer a heart attack here if the sensors are put on that badge.
@@davesoldit2587 Mazda do it as well, the badges are stuck on like the older styles but inset in a clear plastic thats molded onto the grill etc. They'd have more luck just stealing the whole car
imagine being this hostile towards safety. Yeah pedestrian safety, if they don't wanna die to my car, stay at home! I wish you the worst, Mark. The very worst. Because you are asking for it.
I actually really don't mind the minimum mirror size. Yeah it's ugly, but it's also practical. The view I get in my 2009 Volvo V70 or my wife's 2007 Mazda 5 is amazing compared to almost any hatchback or sedan made after 2015. My dad's 2017 Mazda 3 has such poor visibility between the tiny rear window and the tiny side mirrors that you need to get out and clean the backup camera just to see where you're going in reverse.
I think it's been made larger because these days people are glued to their phones therefore have really shoddy eye sight and refuse to wear glasses. Being an opthamalogist and optician is a very lucrative career but enjoyment of seeing constant eye degradation would be quite disheartening i imagine. After all you'd have to be glued to a screen to diagnose the issue in patients as well and round the cycle goes lol.
@@BeefIngot Basic Biology, eyes use muscles to move. But apparently according to you they don't. Soooo, you saying eyes don't degrade or fatigue from looking at screens all day? The same principle also applies looking at books all day as well. Hell, the same would apply if you spent looking at anything at a fixed distance for hours on end day to day.
@@earthtaurus5515 I love that the reasoning of you types is always "basic" ... thst you have no grasp of. Always your gut feeling of how you imagine something works and you never bother to dig further because your first instinct has just gotta be right. Here we have you talking about your eye movement muscles degrading vision. 😁
@@BeefIngot I suggest you go study basic anatomy and muscle strain, you might learn something. But highly doubt it since you've deliberately taken what I've said out context to fit your asinine logic. Which are clear hallmarks of a troll or maybe you're just ignorant. Regardless you can continue this silly conversation with yourself and a mirror, peace.
i like bmw but i hate their cars... only original BMWs are good (so their motorcycles because bmw produced motorcycles before they started making cars)
No, laws are getting promoted more strictly due to drivers driving recklessly and causing serious damage, becoming a threat for everyone inside and outside the road, laws are being promoted for the safety of pedestrians, cyclists, bikers and other cars, the fact that the cars get uglier implementing those safety measures reflects how companies are not used to implementing them, just to sell cars that cost them a fraction of what they sell them for, that put everyone's life at risk, if you check the devices, those are made to make it as hard as possible to cause serious damage even when purposely trying to, AEB sensors, for example, straight up try to avoid an accident even if you try to press the gas pedal. Anyways, looks are more important than safety, apparently
Aeb is relatively dangerous! Had it on our 22 qashqai and occasionally it would slam on the brakes because of somebody on the pavement, and I mean an emergency stop!
@@SteelyDavey absolutely it is! Ours would also slam on if we were driving round a bend and the was pedestrians on the path. It was the unpredictability and knowing how hard it would slam on..
I don't understand why you all trust cars with self drive??? Why on earth would anyone let a car drive them? It's dystopian to put your life into the hands of a machine.
@@sugar4522 I find they vary massively from one company to the next. I hired a 21 reg Golf a year or two back and it was constantly interfering. The Mazda3 i have now is a million times better, it alerts you in stages and only stepped in once when someone pulled out in front of me.
The law isn’t making cars uglier. The carcompany’s designer team do. They clearly fail to accommodate car designs to the law for YEARS! All the parts you pointed out really look like afterthoughts
As much as the rules are getting increasingly restrictive, a HUGE amount of the ugliness (especially around sensor packages) are designers being either lazy or hung out to try by execs that wont allow them the time/resources to do it properly. Integrating a sensor suite into a grille can't be all that hard or else Mazda wouldn't have already done it...
On the front number plate topic, I think the modern BMWs have the unique feature where the "tacked on" front plate actually makes the car look better because it breaks up the huge oversized grille. The plate functions as the piece of bodywork that SHOULD be there to break up smaller kidney grilles from a lower full-width grille.
8:53 regarding the question, why number plates aren't integrated in the cars design I think the answer is easy: some countries (even some us states) don't require front number plates. So the car can show it's beauty....
I saw a red Golf Mk2 for sale just today; faded paint, solid body, tearless interior, MoMo steering wheel Going for 1500 quid and with a 76 plate meaning ULEZ-proof! It's sad seeing how an industry changes for the worse ):
Also the laws on exhaust sounds. I'm not saying sports cars have to be obnoxiously loud, but they are becoming ridiculously quiet with every new iteration. Bring back some soul 🔥
My biggest peeve is those LED taillamps that are microscopic in size but illuminate at supernova level, especially toward the drivers behind at night. The UN-ECE WP29 doesn't seem to have the minimum size for the taillamps as the US FMVSS 108 does.
A few years ago my wife and a child were hit by a car on a London street. The driver saw them on a zebra crossing, but he just “forgot to brake”. It wouldn’t happen if his car was made a little uglier by such an emergency braking sensor. So I fully support those regulations. Safety >> looks.
Even when I have the right if way as a pedestrian I do not trust the car coming to me. I can't stand my sensor for breaking. It just tells me too and shakes me steering wheel. It does ot over nothing. If it actually stopped the car I would have probably been in wreck by now as someone would have rear ended me. If I ever get a car that actually stops I'm going to find a way to disable the sensor or just cover it up. Can't be trusted with my safety.
@@baronvonjo1929I trust robots more than I trust most drivers. Both pedestrians and human drivers can have a bad day when they are just less cautious and have a slower reaction. And one such case is enough to loose a loved one. Forever. I’ve got lucky this time for not loosing anyone, but there are still life changing consequences of that event. I bet that f*cking driver would also say about himself “I’m a good driver” and “I would never trust a safety system”.
4:55 This law is actually a good thing and I wish it came to the US as well. Sharp edges are dangerous to pedestrians and as a side bonus we get rid of all the Cybertrucks! :D
I frequently drive along single track lanes. In summer before the hedges get cut foliage brushes against the car. I don’t mind a full on automatic application the brakes to protect the odd pedestrian but I am getting fed up of the screaming sensors hard braking to protect a piece of cow parsley or bracken that has been bent over after heavy rain. It’s taking environmental protection just a bit too far😡🤣
Yeah, producing cars that are massively more efficient, safer, and forcing manufactures to innovate rather than produce old garbage is terrible... just terrible.
What I don't get all these changes are reasons to push the car prices up and up. Paying 50k for a car now a day's and it's got more hard plastic then anything. Taking the fun out of driving cars cause of all these regulations. Drivers are becoming lazy and dependent on tech when it fails people won't know what to do and how to react. When will it stop.
As far as I know, AEB doesn't work via the Sensor that you mentioned. This Sensor is only for adaptive cruise control. For the aeb they are using only the cameras in the windshield.
More or less half of the things from this list is not lawmakers’ fault - it is just bad design that could be improved even if the law stays the same. Day time running lights for example. Noone makes VW add this hidous strip along the grill. Badly designed fake grills of electric cars? Hire better designers. Same about number plates - this has been there for years and somehow for most of the cars this front plate even adds to the design as an element that breaks the otherwise dull front end. If you don’t know how to accomodate that then again - hire a better designers and don’t blame it on legal requirements. I guess the only things that I would agree with are size of side mirrors and general shape of electric cars corelated with aerodynamics and effiecincy.
Knew Pedpro was gonna be on the list. Was fighting the styling dept guys to make sure the cars the engineering team had to make fulfilled the UNECE R127. Bloated front end was the only way around as passive solution, else we’ve to put the more expensive pyrotech based solutions
I stopped looking forward to new cars anymore a while ago. I used to love going to the auto shows to see cool cars that were coming out but modern cars are not as cool as their predecessors hardly at all. It's cool to see the tech but it's bad that it's ruining cars
Not to mention all this extra tech is making cars more astronomical in price, the government are trying to killing the used car market, therefore making it ALOT harder for people with lower incomes to buy cars
6:34 also Day running lights are so bright a lot of drivers don't realize that their actual head/tail lights are off. Hella dangerous for drivers behind
I'm sure there's an explanation for this but why didn't Aston Martin design the car so that the sensor doesn't intersect the front bumper in that way? Did the regs change after the design was already too close to production to change?
Aero is not ruining styling. Its peoples perception of aero, and marketing departments. Take a look at classic aero cars. Citroen DS, CX, and others (with your researchers) all have a personality and are aerodynamically efficient. Audi A2 is arguably another. Wheels don't need to have smooth covers for aero either. They will always be the most un-aerodynamic things (as well as mirrors) on a car- when a spoked wheel is spinning, its just as smooth as a smooth wheel to the air. Covered wheels are more aerodynamic. Like thin ones (that aren't as cool as fat ones) but actually are better for most daily road conditions. Regulations however are going to kill a lot of small manufacturers who can't afford to engineer all the nannying tech that will be blamed in an accident, causing more law suits and ruining car companies further. China wins again.
I stongly disagree, think about the front grille, how the designers created the whole brand image with it, most of the electric vehicles don't even need anymore buuut they still have, just covered with a plastic and ugly geometric shapes like a kid would come up with. The problem is how the principles of design is disregarded, how the car companies filled their design teams with teenage-minded designers. Also it's about how the customers are no longer interested something timeless. Imagine someone saying, ok, we don't need the grille anymore, but we do need some technological sensors/gadgets, how to come up with a form that answers those needs and how to create a design language around it that fits the spesific brand history.
The first time I ever noticed the “little spats” was when I bought my mustang Mach E GTP. I was always wondering why that was there and it kinda annoyed me.
The mirrors is one of the few I agree with. I drove a VW that had small mirrors and it was hell. You can still make them nice even if they have to be a bit bigger. What I don't get is allowing the all screen interiors, some like the Tesla which have the climate controls and whatever on your right. Where you cannot use them and look at the road at the same time.
The worst thing in car industry right now imo is every car model is gettinh turned into some sort of shitty “suv” and we barely have any choice anymore because all they started to make is SUVs and crossovers
The mirror size law is good actually. I dont understand why small cars have smaller mirrors, where you see nothing. And larger and premium cars have safer large mirrors where you see everything. For example Superb 2 has huge mirrors where you see everything. Passat B8 has large mirrors as seen from outside, but they have really small mirror area. Every car should have mirrors like on buses 😀 and people should use them, that is another problem, people dont use mirrors
Sorry but most of the new changes are for the best. Like why are you complaining about pedestrian safety or daytime running lights that help with visibilty on foggy/rainy days…
2 worst car trends is 1. pop out infotainment system coming out the dash because if that breaks down and the infotainment system doesn’t come out of the dashboard then the infotainment system is useless so please just keep it on show and 2. retractable gear selectors because if that brakes down then the car is useless and you can’t get it into gear and you won’t be able to drive it and calling RAC or AA is expensive so please keep the gear selector accessible and not make it retractable I get that they are both cool but it will be a nightmare after some time so make them die out please because we have common sense
Firstly, up comes health and safety laws. Then we have designers that couldn't be bothered to tackle the issue properly. So then we see that it all revolves around " let's leave it, they'll be expensive and as ugly as sin" Finally, we have Sunak - " Great idea folks, now sales will plummet and its one less effort for me in the battle to get people out of their cars" !Mission accomplished Britain again. Get the Bus.
I don't trust a car to stop for me. My current car as a beeper only and it beeps over nothing. I refuse to risk my safety, life, money, and time over a faulty sensor. Will literally do anything I can to disable it or maybe block it.
Was genuinely wondering about those little spats. I actively hate the plastic arch cancer that's spreading through the industry but I always assumed the flaring was for fuel economy or something like that.
The max height of the front headlights is a godsend of a law. Too many times im being blinded by a pickup truck with lights higher than 6ft high!
Yeah only braindead truck owners are mad about the max height
almost all of these are good laws preventing injury or death. And designers can design great looking cars around these laws - they just can't be bothered to.
i'm pretty sure that won't take effect in usa, but i'm glad that the squatted trucks are banned
If the lights are mounted high, they should be pointed more downwards.
The cutoff line should meet the road a certain distance in front of the car.
On all cars (in Europe at least) you will find a sticker on or near the lights with a percentage number, ( like -1.5% )
This indicates how much the lights should be pointing downwards, and will vary with the height of the lights.
Most of them don't even have a need of a truck. They don't use them for work but instead just daily commute.
Tbh it would be better to aim this outrage at the car manufacturers rather than the laws. Nobody is forcing these companies to make half of these designs look so bad. They just don't want to take a risk on making big redesigns so they're just trying to cram these new things into old designs in as cheap a way as possible.
Most of the new cars: cheap inside, ugly outside.
And also sounded equally terrible inside of the engine.
Name one?
@@krane15 BMW 5 series.
@@krane15 Vw cars got cheaper interior than before. Tried a merc CLA it was so bad, I laughed out loud. Same for the base E classe, and everything below. Volvo feels much cheaper inside than before, XC60 and under. I had over 40 cars, also petrol head so always driving, trying new stuff, been at the Nurburgring many times and so on... If I want good quality and sporty amazing feel, then Porsche. If I want proper interior quality, reliability, luxory and 10 years of warranty, then Lexus. Much better interior quality then the 3 german or Volvo. And I had 7 volvos, but not any more. MG is a cheap chinese EV brand now like many others. And you can add many many more to this list.
you really needed to ask that? lmfao 😂
Hiring unqualified people is a problem for many organizations around the world. Qualified people would be able to fix all these issues without destroying the design of the car. We are seeing this lack of HR hiring skills from car makers to Boeing to the government. And in some cases the work performed by these unqualified individuals is actually dangerous.
Important to note that the unqualified people are usually those in management. The engineering teams of car manufacturers are usually super good, but the management needs to cut costs everywhere.
Ford with the infamous Powershift is a good example. The engineers literally told the management that the transmission will not last, yet they didn't care.
But... Diversity is our Strength?
It's bio leninism. Organisations promote based on loyalty and nepotism, so they discriminate against highly competent people since they can go work anywhere. And yes it's race related. Huge numbers of Indians promoting each other regardless of competence.
You do realize that HR doesn't hire anyone right? Employment offers are initiated by the direct manager.
Government intervention plays a huge role generating a lot of the issues in design, development and manufacturing of many modern consumer goods.
@@rich7447 huh? HR almost always does the screening, which means they're actively involved in the hiring process. What are you even on about?
No, it's definitely car designers masking cars ugly. Not the regulations. The first car is a prime example
yup
I love the design from the old bmw and new ones aswell, i Just cant afford new ones thats why i drive the old f22 and not the new g42🥲
Aswell an old e85
If i had the money i only would drive the new Models 😞
People still buy these cars just to say that they own an expensive car. Even if they're uglier, the auto industry has successfully convinced us that cars are a status symbol, so people will buy these cars to satisfy their egos. They have no reason to change it if people don't stop buying.
"We'll never get the Tesla Cybertruck sold here officially"
Good.
Yes!
The law never ruined the Cybertruck, that one comes ruined from the factory!
Also selfdestructs. The wheel covers destroy the tires. LOL
Haha ha
That's why I like to call it CyberTURD! 😂🤭
😂😂😂
Hilarious people who call Cybertruck ugly while they drive around in some boring samey box on wheels!
poor BMW design team haha
BMW looks like they teamed up with the Yugo car company.
@@jonwear9791what is Yugo car company btw?
@@purwantiallan5089Company from Balkans
Have you seen the BMW Concept Skytop... just saying.
Dude, they just crossed 100k cars on sale for Q2
numbers don't lie, that's why they keep there identity. it's a BMW for example
1:10 Brother UUUGGHHH!!! 🤣🤣🤣 nice little add on 😂
Lfr😂😂😂😂
Brother Hoblos in the editings 😂
"Brother UUUGH!" is an absolute Internet Legend!
@@yusufs.3797Brother Hoblos?
Lmfaooo 😂😂
Imagine whining about safety features that saves lives simply because it "looks ugly".
"Sorry I hit your family cat since I pulled the AEBS out of the front, but I needed to make sure my car looks pwetty".
why are you here
@@andrewvaughan5686 Cause the video is being absolutely ridiculed on Reddit.
@@TheDuckClock should have known all these safety nerds were from reddit
@@andrewvaughan5686 Oh will you look at that. A boomer who peaked in high school. Hit the jackpot on this one if you think "nerd" is supposed to be used as a slur these days.
Also you realize that the way you present yourself gives the implication that if a human hit your gigantic SUV; you'd be more upset by your car getting dented than the poor life you just took?
That has been a fact since the early 2000s, cars became fat and heavy with big pillars, terrible shapes and lines...
Aka significantly safer
@@BeefIngot egh... significantly is a big exaggeration.
Also as the old car enthusiast saying goes, if you don't want to die don't crash, if you are about to crash, crash hard.
That's a load of dung. That's because car designers are poorly trained now and lazy.
My 2005 Mazda6 begs to differ but that's the exception [=
@@vg4472 Yes, because it wasn't affected by the new(at the time) regulations iirc.
Mazda managed to incorporate the censor in the front badge 👍
Most manufacturers are pulling parts from shared bins to save money
Which is a win-win situation, cuz:
1- it doesn't ruin the look of the car
2- putting stuff in badges is ooooollllllddddd, I have seen stuff like this for more than 20 years, I mean, look at older VWs with the tailgate handle built-in the rear badge, as well as BMW's 6-series parking camera. So it's not hard neither too expensive to put stuff in badges, so in these cases, manufacturers are just lazy.
They should sensor that censor, oh wait …. That makes no cents
Toyota has done that since 2009 with the Prius lol.
@@TheGamingNorwegianSubaru also with even the Impreza WRX 2010.
The sensor in the S63 AMG is actually a LIDAR and is only equipped if you order the level 3 Drive Pilot, so in most markets like UK you won't have this sensor.
It's hardly a niche case though, just a very noticeable one
Number plates have been a law since a freakin' long time, I blame car manufacturers for not adapting their designs around this.
It's got nothing to do with safety laws ruining how cars look and everything to do with companies being too lazy to design cars that incorporate then and look good... just look at the Mazda 3 as an example, incorporates all the same auto braking as the Mercedes but because they've taken some time to design it it, you wouldn't even know.
Exactly!!!! Since when have designers not had to comply with specs, mandates, best practices, laws, et cetera???
Big difference is that Mazda also adds all that as standard, with a couple of extra bits on the very top of the range. Mercedes charge extra for all of it so have to design 2+ front ends to account for the gaping holes they would be leaving otherwise
1:15 Wasn't expecting to see Hoblos here 😂
Same think 😂😂😂😂😂
It's a good thing we don't get the tesla cyberdump in Europe.
Everytime I look at it, the sharp edges cuts my retinas -is- it's that damn ugly and yes I'm being hyperbolic lol. But yeah... who'd have thought a "futuristic" design would be a brutalist architectural design from the 1960s on wheels lol...
I finally saw one a couple of times last week where I am. Still don't see what all the hullabaloo is about.
Even if we would get it here it would be almost impossible to drive because it’s bloody big
haters gotta hate!
bless your little heart!
The people who want them will just import them from countries that aren't ridiculous with their laws.
Why the hell _don’t_ cars have dedicated spots on the front the license plates? They do on the back so why not the front? Thank you Mat, I’m not gonna sleep tonight because of you.
because in America front plate is not mandatory afaik
Most cars in Europe has them, the issue is that plates in the front are horrible in most cars that aren’t like a fiat 124 from 1974
Most states in the USA require a front plate, but there are plenty that don’t. I think the bigger design issue is trying to find a dedicated space that would work with European style plates, versus the style used in the USA and elsewhere.
In the US, some states don't require front license plates. My last car had a place molded into the front bumper for a plate but my current car doesn't and it looks good without it because my state doesn't require a front plate. If anyone needs to know my license plate number, they can get behind me.
Plates vary in size and shape around the world.
The sensor on the AMG S-Class doesn't have anything to do with the AEB. It's only there if you buy the Level 3 autonomous system. Besides: all of those laws make sense from a safety and efficiency perspective. Some companies implement them nicely, some don't. It truly speaks to the ability of the designers
I have always put a major emphasis on aesthetics but these sensors don't really bother me, and like you said, it serves a bigger purpose.
Correct. Furthermore there is a trend for radar sensors to increase in frequency for better performance, typically from 24GHz to 77-81GHz. These have a shorter wavelength, and are less easily transmitted through metallic paint, hence they are less easily hidden. And yes, they are more frequently found on more expensive cars.
Exactly. Matt's commentary should be targeted at designers, not lawmakers. It's possible to be legally compliant and still look great.
The safety improvements are arguable. All these automatic safety features encourage drivers to just trust their cars to keep them and everyone around them safe which makes drivers less alert and thus less safe. Don't get me wrong, safety is of course important. But AEB and lane keeping assist are good examples of "safety" features that simply encourage drivers to relax and not pay attention.
Don't let facts get in the way.
Cut my finger badly on the exhaust of a Nissan micra when washing the car a few years ago so I don’t mind bevelled pipes
Basically car makers have to change their design language to incorporate these sensors. I thought Renaults idea to make an extra big badge that contains the front sensor was really good. Mercedes could easily do something similar.
The badges are stolen in South Africa to decorate hooligan helmets at football matches, we will suffer a heart attack here if the sensors are put on that badge.
@@davesoldit2587 Mazda do it as well, the badges are stuck on like the older styles but inset in a clear plastic thats molded onto the grill etc. They'd have more luck just stealing the whole car
I think they do on some cars, that shown on the S class was an extra LiDar sensor that's even more detailed than the usual radar and ultrasonic.
imagine being this hostile towards safety. Yeah pedestrian safety, if they don't wanna die to my car, stay at home!
I wish you the worst, Mark. The very worst. Because you are asking for it.
I actually really don't mind the minimum mirror size. Yeah it's ugly, but it's also practical. The view I get in my 2009 Volvo V70 or my wife's 2007 Mazda 5 is amazing compared to almost any hatchback or sedan made after 2015. My dad's 2017 Mazda 3 has such poor visibility between the tiny rear window and the tiny side mirrors that you need to get out and clean the backup camera just to see where you're going in reverse.
I think it's been made larger because these days people are glued to their phones therefore have really shoddy eye sight and refuse to wear glasses. Being an opthamalogist and optician is a very lucrative career but enjoyment of seeing constant eye degradation would be quite disheartening i imagine. After all you'd have to be glued to a screen to diagnose the issue in patients as well and round the cycle goes lol.
@@earthtaurus5515 What facts is your opinion based on? Nothing? Just wishful _gut feelings_ ? Yea... As I thought.
@@BeefIngot Basic Biology, eyes use muscles to move. But apparently according to you they don't. Soooo, you saying eyes don't degrade or fatigue from looking at screens all day? The same principle also applies looking at books all day as well. Hell, the same would apply if you spent looking at anything at a fixed distance for hours on end day to day.
@@earthtaurus5515 I love that the reasoning of you types is always "basic" ... thst you have no grasp of.
Always your gut feeling of how you imagine something works and you never bother to dig further because your first instinct has just gotta be right.
Here we have you talking about your eye movement muscles degrading vision. 😁
@@BeefIngot I suggest you go study basic anatomy and muscle strain, you might learn something. But highly doubt it since you've deliberately taken what I've said out context to fit your asinine logic. Which are clear hallmarks of a troll or maybe you're just ignorant. Regardless you can continue this silly conversation with yourself and a mirror, peace.
Almost like the purpose of cars should be for moving from point A to point B as safely as possible and not for aesthetics.
why shouldn't we be allowed to enjoy something we pay for?
@zxichi you should but if your pretty thing is likly to hurt others your pretty thing needs to change.
@@zxichi In what way does a sensor that you can't even see while driving make the vehicle less enjoyable?
@@zxichi You sound like an asshole.
@@zxichi not if it can hurt people while you drive
BMW fans got roasted when starting the video itself 💀☠🤣
I think even BMW fanboys agree that the newest designs look like garbage lmao.
@@xIcarus227damn right new bmw’s are getting uglier each year
i like bmw but i hate their cars... only original BMWs are good (so their motorcycles because bmw produced motorcycles before they started making cars)
8:32 Giant computer mouse 😂😂😂
No, laws are getting promoted more strictly due to drivers driving recklessly and causing serious damage, becoming a threat for everyone inside and outside the road, laws are being promoted for the safety of pedestrians, cyclists, bikers and other cars, the fact that the cars get uglier implementing those safety measures reflects how companies are not used to implementing them, just to sell cars that cost them a fraction of what they sell them for, that put everyone's life at risk, if you check the devices, those are made to make it as hard as possible to cause serious damage even when purposely trying to, AEB sensors, for example, straight up try to avoid an accident even if you try to press the gas pedal. Anyways, looks are more important than safety, apparently
Aeb is relatively dangerous! Had it on our 22 qashqai and occasionally it would slam on the brakes because of somebody on the pavement, and I mean an emergency stop!
I got flung forward into the seat belt on Sunday, the other car was nowhere near us in reality. I wasn't driving so it was a bit of a shock.
@@SteelyDavey absolutely it is! Ours would also slam on if we were driving round a bend and the was pedestrians on the path. It was the unpredictability and knowing how hard it would slam on..
I don't understand why you all trust cars with self drive??? Why on earth would anyone let a car drive them? It's dystopian to put your life into the hands of a machine.
@@rocksreviewsreactions337 AEB systems aren't a part of self-driving cars, just an auto-brake if it detects a collision.
@@sugar4522 I find they vary massively from one company to the next. I hired a 21 reg Golf a year or two back and it was constantly interfering. The Mazda3 i have now is a million times better, it alerts you in stages and only stepped in once when someone pulled out in front of me.
Let’s stop buying the new ones and love the ones already on the road.
The problem is not the aeb or the law, problem are design teams with no fantasy and no desire to work around it properly
The law isn’t making cars uglier. The carcompany’s designer team do. They clearly fail to accommodate car designs to the law for YEARS! All the parts you pointed out really look like afterthoughts
i have to say the DRL have made the future of cars look well futuristic
This does have the whiff of complaining about doctors saving lives to it.
It's just a boomer rage-baiting other boomers.
As much as the rules are getting increasingly restrictive, a HUGE amount of the ugliness (especially around sensor packages) are designers being either lazy or hung out to try by execs that wont allow them the time/resources to do it properly. Integrating a sensor suite into a grille can't be all that hard or else Mazda wouldn't have already done it...
1:19 Mat:It looks like a heating thermostat
Sensor: *turns into a thermostat*
Safer cars will mean cheaper insurance right? Right???
HA! Cheaper what?
Carbrain in action when pedestrian safety features are frowned upon, while you are driving around a mini-tank compared to cars a few decades ago.
On the front number plate topic, I think the modern BMWs have the unique feature where the "tacked on" front plate actually makes the car look better because it breaks up the huge oversized grille. The plate functions as the piece of bodywork that SHOULD be there to break up smaller kidney grilles from a lower full-width grille.
I’d still take the safety though. Car manufacturers can also definitely get better at designing around the requirements.
8:53 regarding the question, why number plates aren't integrated in the cars design I think the answer is easy: some countries (even some us states) don't require front number plates. So the car can show it's beauty....
I saw a red Golf Mk2 for sale just today; faded paint, solid body, tearless interior, MoMo steering wheel
Going for 1500 quid and with a 76 plate meaning ULEZ-proof!
It's sad seeing how an industry changes for the worse ):
BMW design team is basically an R&D department outsourced to Bangladesh
Those liddle spats are also put in places where debris are most often flung from the wheels
Front radar, GPS tracking, lane assist, touchscreens, emissions gubbins, speed limiters will come!
I'm not buying a new car again.
Also the laws on exhaust sounds. I'm not saying sports cars have to be obnoxiously loud, but they are becoming ridiculously quiet with every new iteration. Bring back some soul 🔥
My biggest peeve is those LED taillamps that are microscopic in size but illuminate at supernova level, especially toward the drivers behind at night. The UN-ECE WP29 doesn't seem to have the minimum size for the taillamps as the US FMVSS 108 does.
A few years ago my wife and a child were hit by a car on a London street. The driver saw them on a zebra crossing, but he just “forgot to brake”. It wouldn’t happen if his car was made a little uglier by such an emergency braking sensor. So I fully support those regulations. Safety >> looks.
Even when I have the right if way as a pedestrian I do not trust the car coming to me.
I can't stand my sensor for breaking. It just tells me too and shakes me steering wheel. It does ot over nothing. If it actually stopped the car I would have probably been in wreck by now as someone would have rear ended me. If I ever get a car that actually stops I'm going to find a way to disable the sensor or just cover it up. Can't be trusted with my safety.
@@baronvonjo1929How would “rear ended” happen if everyone has this sensor?
@@baronvonjo1929I trust robots more than I trust most drivers. Both pedestrians and human drivers can have a bad day when they are just less cautious and have a slower reaction. And one such case is enough to loose a loved one. Forever. I’ve got lucky this time for not loosing anyone, but there are still life changing consequences of that event. I bet that f*cking driver would also say about himself “I’m a good driver” and “I would never trust a safety system”.
4:55 This law is actually a good thing and I wish it came to the US as well. Sharp edges are dangerous to pedestrians and as a side bonus we get rid of all the Cybertrucks! :D
Pedestrians should stay out of the road. Roads are for cars, sidewalks are for people.
@@bwofficial1776 Drivers should also stay out of sidewalks and not run a red light but that still happens dumbass.
@@bwofficial1776 Sidewalks (pavements) don't exist everywhere. The vast majority of pedestrian accidents involve legally walking on the street.
I frequently drive along single track lanes. In summer before the hedges get cut foliage brushes against the car.
I don’t mind a full on automatic application the brakes to protect the odd pedestrian but I am getting fed up of the screaming sensors hard braking to protect a piece of cow parsley or bracken that has been bent over after heavy rain. It’s taking environmental protection just a bit too far😡🤣
Governments, everywhere, phuk up everything they touch
Yeah, producing cars that are massively more efficient, safer, and forcing manufactures to innovate rather than produce old garbage is terrible... just terrible.
@@tim3172 the point of the video was about looks, that's it. he was absolutely correct.
For much of these, if people weren’t so fricking stupid in cars then they wouldn’t be doing this would they?
5:42 honestly I love the rear design of Clubman
What I don't get all these changes are reasons to push the car prices up and up. Paying 50k for a car now a day's and it's got more hard plastic then anything. Taking the fun out of driving cars cause of all these regulations. Drivers are becoming lazy and dependent on tech when it fails people won't know what to do and how to react.
When will it stop.
Is that plastic 'extension' not for better aerodynamics ?
As far as I know, AEB doesn't work via the Sensor that you mentioned. This Sensor is only for adaptive cruise control.
For the aeb they are using only the cameras in the windshield.
More or less half of the things from this list is not lawmakers’ fault - it is just bad design that could be improved even if the law stays the same. Day time running lights for example. Noone makes VW add this hidous strip along the grill. Badly designed fake grills of electric cars? Hire better designers. Same about number plates - this has been there for years and somehow for most of the cars this front plate even adds to the design as an element that breaks the otherwise dull front end. If you don’t know how to accomodate that then again - hire a better designers and don’t blame it on legal requirements. I guess the only things that I would agree with are size of side mirrors and general shape of electric cars corelated with aerodynamics and effiecincy.
Knew Pedpro was gonna be on the list. Was fighting the styling dept guys to make sure the cars the engineering team had to make fulfilled the UNECE R127. Bloated front end was the only way around as passive solution, else we’ve to put the more expensive pyrotech based solutions
Same goes for front collusion sensors... they can have one pcs of grill little bit thicker and design the grill around it not the other way around.
And then car companies are surprised when fewer people are buying new cars. They look like crap with all these rules and are stupidity expensive.
That Little spat on the rear tyre is to deviate the water from hitting the bumper
the mirror one was a very big stretch...
Cry more. It's gunna save lives
From now on, every Merc EQ will look like a bar of Dove soap to me. Gotta love Matt for that!
I stopped looking forward to new cars anymore a while ago. I used to love going to the auto shows to see cool cars that were coming out but modern cars are not as cool as their predecessors hardly at all. It's cool to see the tech but it's bad that it's ruining cars
The thing in the Mercedes S63 is a Lidar and you only get that if you have level 3 automated driving equipped. You won‘t get that in the standard S63
You do have major Grille Rad size requirements by law through the ECE 26 requirements, usually makes details look more blended
Not to mention all this extra tech is making cars more astronomical in price, the government are trying to killing the used car market, therefore making it ALOT harder for people with lower incomes to buy cars
6:34 also Day running lights are so bright a lot of drivers don't realize that their actual head/tail lights are off. Hella dangerous for drivers behind
I'm sure there's an explanation for this but why didn't Aston Martin design the car so that the sensor doesn't intersect the front bumper in that way? Did the regs change after the design was already too close to production to change?
What’s next? Windshields that go over the entire roof? From windshield wiper to taillight that costs $22,000 to repair when a rock chips the window.
Aero is not ruining styling. Its peoples perception of aero, and marketing departments. Take a look at classic aero cars. Citroen DS, CX, and others (with your researchers) all have a personality and are aerodynamically efficient. Audi A2 is arguably another. Wheels don't need to have smooth covers for aero either. They will always be the most un-aerodynamic things (as well as mirrors) on a car- when a spoked wheel is spinning, its just as smooth as a smooth wheel to the air. Covered wheels are more aerodynamic. Like thin ones (that aren't as cool as fat ones) but actually are better for most daily road conditions. Regulations however are going to kill a lot of small manufacturers who can't afford to engineer all the nannying tech that will be blamed in an accident, causing more law suits and ruining car companies further. China wins again.
I like how Bentley does the sensors like Audi used to, just put them where fog lamps would go.
Mat hate big mirrors but want cybertruch in Europe?😂
i was wondering what those bits of plastic in the wheel arches were
I stongly disagree, think about the front grille, how the designers created the whole brand image with it, most of the electric vehicles don't even need anymore buuut they still have, just covered with a plastic and ugly geometric shapes like a kid would come up with. The problem is how the principles of design is disregarded, how the car companies filled their design teams with teenage-minded designers. Also it's about how the customers are no longer interested something timeless.
Imagine someone saying, ok, we don't need the grille anymore, but we do need some technological sensors/gadgets, how to come up with a form that answers those needs and how to create a design language around it that fits the spesific brand history.
The first time I ever noticed the “little spats” was when I bought my mustang Mach E GTP. I was always wondering why that was there and it kinda annoyed me.
I’m all for safety. If it helps cut down on death and injury, so be it!!
The mirrors is one of the few I agree with. I drove a VW that had small mirrors and it was hell.
You can still make them nice even if they have to be a bit bigger.
What I don't get is allowing the all screen interiors, some like the Tesla which have the climate controls and whatever on your right. Where you cannot use them and look at the road at the same time.
This guy just hates all laws lmao
The worst thing in car industry right now imo is every car model is gettinh turned into some sort of shitty “suv” and we barely have any choice anymore because all they started to make is SUVs and crossovers
The mirror size law is good actually. I dont understand why small cars have smaller mirrors, where you see nothing. And larger and premium cars have safer large mirrors where you see everything. For example Superb 2 has huge mirrors where you see everything. Passat B8 has large mirrors as seen from outside, but they have really small mirror area. Every car should have mirrors like on buses 😀 and people should use them, that is another problem, people dont use mirrors
High end car designers don't seem to take into account the big radar box, so they just stick it on where ever it'll fit 😅
He actually combed his hair 😂😂 almost didn't recognize him!
Aren’t the tire width bodywork laws implemented in the US for some time now?
Funny that Tesla and Lotus don't have ugly visible radar. It's nice hidden behind the bumper.
Sorry but most of the new changes are for the best. Like why are you complaining about pedestrian safety or daytime running lights that help with visibilty on foggy/rainy days…
The radar box is perfectly integrated on cars which care - my 2020 Corsa it’s practically invisible
2 worst car trends is 1. pop out infotainment system coming out the dash because if that breaks down and the infotainment system doesn’t come out of the dashboard then the infotainment system is useless so please just keep it on show and 2. retractable gear selectors because if that brakes down then the car is useless and you can’t get it into gear and you won’t be able to drive it and calling RAC or AA is expensive so please keep the gear selector accessible and not make it retractable I get that they are both cool but it will be a nightmare after some time so make them die out please because we have common sense
Firstly, up comes health and safety laws.
Then we have designers that couldn't be bothered to tackle the issue properly.
So then we see that it all revolves around " let's leave it, they'll be expensive and as ugly as sin"
Finally, we have Sunak - " Great idea folks, now sales will plummet and its one less effort for me in the battle to get people out of their cars" !Mission accomplished Britain again.
Get the Bus.
Regulations make life in Europe ugly....go where you are treated best.
AEB sensor should be at the top of the windshield like where BMW keeps theirs
The G29 BMW Z4 has the sensor behind the bumper. Not sure why they cant use that system on all cars?
How does tesla manage without ugly sensors?
Welcome to the US for the past 60 years. The amber reflectors plus marker lights in the front look absolutely terrible.
I don't trust a car to stop for me. My current car as a beeper only and it beeps over nothing. I refuse to risk my safety, life, money, and time over a faulty sensor. Will literally do anything I can to disable it or maybe block it.
I don't get this video, do you want cars to be less safe and less aerodynamic?
here is an idea. If grills are gowing away why not intergrate programable led's and you could program your number plate in the DRL grill.
You're saying it like not getting cybertruck is a bad thing. Thank god that wankerpanzer is not being sold here
Was genuinely wondering about those little spats. I actively hate the plastic arch cancer that's spreading through the industry but I always assumed the flaring was for fuel economy or something like that.
I look at my W218 CLS and compare it to Mercs of late and it’s just heartbreaking. Their engineering team is butchering the brands design ethos