The second Tomer showed me Assault Suit the commander (and in the best color, Red) I was so ecstatic I slammed together a beautiful Slicer deck of my own with cards I had on hand. Seeing it return brought such a smile to my face. Stay golden Tomer
Phil abandons all reason and defense once he sees some tasty value lol. Can't blame him though, Mishra is definitely one of my favorites from this year.
It's hilarious, I built a deck called "thoughtsize is edh playable" and wanted to send it to Crim for viewer submitted week, but then he played exactly this deck and I felt heart broken 💔
I'm currently trying to build Slicer and Mishra so I understand the aggro they got from the table. Tomer said that Slicer probably shouldn't be played in more casual settings in the podcast a few days ago and I kinda get it now. I was gonna bring it to play with my friends who are on mid powered commanders but this game made me realize that it might make people feel like they aren't able to play their general's theme. (They were able to play to their themes somewhat in this game. I'm just inferring how it'd go with less archenemy-ey decks.) Slicer does force them to use resources they would use to supplement their theme and play towards Slicer's commander damage end goal instead. Of course removal is key but Slicer did actually die a lot in this game. Pretty cool deck but I realize I can't play it against a casual acquaintance who's just getting into commander for example.
@@billranes8541 It doesn't seem that high-powered to me though. It definitely can't play in competitive tables. If the concern is infinite extra turns, I think that's an infi-turns problem and not Mishra exactly. I think he definitely generates value but he's pretty easy to keep in check as seen in this game. By easy, I mean if the table is responsibly playing removal which I guess some pods forget to do.
@@VinegarAndSaltedFries Who said anything about the commander format dying? Need to brush up on your reading comprehension, while you're at it go count all the times EVERY crew member has been ribbed by the rest for not sticking to their theme.
The attacking only Tomer thing isn't a bug. Since Phil has a propaganda effect up you aren't "able" to attack him since the game can't force you to pay, so the only person Slicer can attack is Tomer.
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" we recall the year that was. Will Tomer send everyone to the Universe Beyond or will Phil become the Eminent One? Tune-in to find out!
Hedron Archive would have been a great top-deck for the mana-rock tribal endgame. Happy New Year Commander Clash crew. Thanks for the top-tier content this year.
Fun idea for next season just for a couple episodes here and there just normalize land destruction as something you can play not a full arctype just to see what happens and see if it's really that bad as just your one-off thing like cyclonic rift
The glare Phil on window Jesus blocked my view of window Jesus I expect this to be fixed? Also I expect everyone to refer to Crim as Golddust Crim from now on!
I'm glad yennett getting some love she's a great commander that's underrated and not a lot of mtg channels don't play her l love to see more of her in future keep up great content
If Phil was a pillow fort value deck, I really recommend Bantchantress led by Estrid, the Masked. You get to play every Propaganda effect and then kill people with infinite Enchantress value.
Absolutely! For ramp, you’ll want several of the green auras that enchant lands and make them tap for extra mana. You’ll also want a copies of The Chain Veil and Oath of Teferi to get extra activations of Estrid and potentially combo infinitely. Calix, Destiny’s Hand is worse version of Estrid but gives you card advantage not attached to an Enchantress creature. Most of the other slots are enchantment-based card advantage, removal, and copy effects.
16:50 Crim: I'm gonna let you all know right now, I have 4 lands and a Slip out the Back." Toxic Deluge sitting in hand. Tomer: Well he could be lying. Crim: I have 4 lands and a Slip out the Back. Toxic Deluge still sitting next to Slip out the Back. haha o Crim.
Question for anyone who might know, at like the 1 hour mark when Seth didn't give Phil Slicer shouldn't he have flipped to the car? Or did it not because its a copy?
I kept opening Zevlor but I refused to make a deck with it because it will obviously be the target of all players. I wish it's ability was different and allowed you to pay 1 more to target an additional player. Worse in a 3 player game but at least then you can politic.
He did announce that he could do something Crim wouldn't like or he could attack with his commander. And to be fair, since he was playing a janky theme from a viewer, I think it's fair to watch the deck try to enact its Russian Roulette theme at least once. That didn't really work out though. XD
Wouldn’t Seth not be able to Sacrifice tomers slicer to the legend rule because it has the ability for that turn that it cannot be sacrificed, while Seth’s could be sacrificed as it was not given to an opponent?
Technically, the legend rule doesn't make you sacrifice, it just makes you put all but one of the permanents in the graveyard, bypassing "can't be sacrificed", indestructible and so on. 704.5j If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are controlled by the same player, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.”
Phil says he needs to pillow fort … has collective restraint in hand since like turn 3 🤦♂️ but cant resist value :( the thing about a pillow fort is that you have to build it!!! You had a pillow in hand Phil!!! …. smh
No, it was a clone, and copies of double-faced cards only copy one side of it, in this case the front side, so it tries to transform erm convert and since it doesn't have a back it fails to do so and remains as it is.
Very late to this, but a few years ago one of the players didn't get a screengrab of her opening hand, and she played a Rot Wolf later as part of her infect deck. Since it's a bit of an unknown card to see, it left an impact, and it's been a stand-in ever since for missing info
I play lilianna of the dark realms in every black deck the sheer number of times ive ulted her because everyone thinks its garbage. I want it yall are wrong
I think Goad doesn't let you attack through a Ghostly Prison effect if there's another available opponent. Like, you have no choice according to the rules
Lying about your hand doesn't feel like good etiquette, Crim saying Slip out the back is his only play rn would be fine but lying about toxic deluge doesn't sit right
I'll never understand the hatred behind Curse of Opulence from Richard, the guy that hits the others for 5 on turn 3 to glip a Dowsing Dagger (or hits you 3 times with a 4 power Sword of the Animist equipped creature) and says "You guys need to play blockers". We all need to play more blockers. The card is good for the format, it incentivizes combat, a central part of the game.
I'm pretty sure he has said in the past that it's because it usually leads to 3 players keep hitting 1 for that extra mana. And the player targeted with the Curse is usually already in the weakest position. So, whilst the card is really good, it makes the game not fun for one person.
Does crim understand what fair means? He's constantly twisting so called unfair situations in his favor. Fairness doesn't involve stealing and taking advantage of someone else's unfairness. It would involve negation only. All of Crims policing is just as unfair as what he seeks to stop and then he gaslights you guys about being the unfair ones. I would bet he's the reason this season has lost over 10k viewers per week. He's a hypocrite
@@enmanuelrondon9700 that's not the issue. It's just him constantly complaining about what he considers "fair" in terms of cards allowing you to break Magics fundamental rules(mana acceleration etc). He constantly complains about how ramp etc is "unfair" and yet when he's able to turn what he considers "unfair" into an advantage for himself that's him being "fair" in his mind. However that's not fairness. This is annoying to listen to on a week to week basis. They're all just playing the game. Some Magic cards are written to break the fundamental rules. No one is actually being unfair except for Crim who thinks he can decide for the crew and all the viewers what's fair and good gameplay for Commander Clash. He's actively changing how they get to play and what we get to see based on his idea of in game fairness which doesn't match whats written on the cards. And his picking amd choosing what he feels is "unfair" is the hypocrisy. By his own logic he should also consider card draw outside the draw phase, playing at instant speed on an opponents turn, and using the graveyard at all, as unfair but he doesn't. Why? They're all card text effects that break the fundamental rules of play. If that's his standard for "unfair" then he's just as guilty yet he doesn't see this and calls his play style "fair".
Yeah, and everyone giving Seth props for copying it is really lame. You didn't like the normal version? How about a 7/7 version?!?! But somehow he doesn't become archenemy...ugh, gross. We get it Tomer, it's really good but please don't keep bringing it back.
Guys, not even 20 minutes into the game and most of the talk is about other cards and other plays. I would appreciate if ya'll stay a bit more focused on the game and the actual cards being played. When you talk about a card not even on the battlefield, it makes me lose interest in the current game and want to go elsewhere. I enjoy ya'll's talk, but keep it focused on the current game!
Huge miss for Seth here. Great showing for Tomer's commander and Thieving Amalgam but 0 Yennett spins until he has Crim dead on board is a huge flavor fail.
I love that the only game of the season where Crim hits his land drops, he only hits land drops.
That Monkey Paw is a hell of a thing.
It's his own fault. You know how many hand smoothing cards he has acess to in Grixis.
Crim " how does it have haste?" Tomer "it's a car"
The second Tomer showed me Assault Suit the commander (and in the best color, Red) I was so ecstatic I slammed together a beautiful Slicer deck of my own with cards I had on hand. Seeing it return brought such a smile to my face. Stay golden Tomer
The rot wolf joke never gets old. Whether corrupted footage or forgetting to hit record, roasting the player the entire vid unintentionally is great.
I can't believe how much Crim manages to crim more and more every time.
My favorite moment of every episode is when crim says "it's crimmin' time."
@@zacharybosley1935 and the rest of the guys can't do anything but watch and exclaim "oh no, he's gonna Crim!"
Phil abandons all reason and defense once he sees some tasty value lol. Can't blame him though, Mishra is definitely one of my favorites from this year.
holy crap seth's second slicer. I always forget how good of a magic player he is sometimes
Yep Richard and Seth are far more skilled than they always appear.
it's cuz he always plays jank, but then you have to remember he has a pretty good winrate with garbo decks and marvel at his hidden power
Phil cracks me up, so dang much. "You could also attack Seth...Look at this scary ape snake..."
It's hilarious, I built a deck called "thoughtsize is edh playable" and wanted to send it to Crim for viewer submitted week, but then he played exactly this deck and I felt heart broken 💔
The biggest miss of 2022 imo has been Seth not getting a Myrkul deck to pop off. Hyped to go watch this ep.
There was one episode where he did and it broke moto
@@hanschristopherson8056 Which episode was this?
@@EdgeJob ep 9 of this season
I love that the 'worn' version of the powerstones makes more and more versatile mana lol.
This year Phil learned to pillowfort before he makes himself the threat. Or did he....?
he did not
Engagement for the algorithm. Loving the content guys!
I'm currently trying to build Slicer and Mishra so I understand the aggro they got from the table. Tomer said that Slicer probably shouldn't be played in more casual settings in the podcast a few days ago and I kinda get it now.
I was gonna bring it to play with my friends who are on mid powered commanders but this game made me realize that it might make people feel like they aren't able to play their general's theme. (They were able to play to their themes somewhat in this game. I'm just inferring how it'd go with less archenemy-ey decks.) Slicer does force them to use resources they would use to supplement their theme and play towards Slicer's commander damage end goal instead. Of course removal is key but Slicer did actually die a lot in this game. Pretty cool deck but I realize I can't play it against a casual acquaintance who's just getting into commander for example.
Mishra is DISGUSTING.
Just the Precon alone is gross
@@billranes8541 It doesn't seem that high-powered to me though. It definitely can't play in competitive tables. If the concern is infinite extra turns, I think that's an infi-turns problem and not Mishra exactly.
I think he definitely generates value but he's pretty easy to keep in check as seen in this game. By easy, I mean if the table is responsibly playing removal which I guess some pods forget to do.
“Russian Roulette is no fun when nobody dies.”
Lmao!!!
I could watch Seth play Russian Roulette Commander deck every week. Absolutely love this thematic creation.
Except he didn't actually play it this week. Commander dies once and he doesn't replay it until the very end of the game.
@@jamesmoore1476 how about we let people play however they want to play. Commander isn’t dying or going anywhere/
@@VinegarAndSaltedFries Who said anything about the commander format dying? Need to brush up on your reading comprehension, while you're at it go count all the times EVERY crew member has been ribbed by the rest for not sticking to their theme.
I've been playing Slicer for a week now and it's one of the funniest decks I've ever played. It's so nice to see it in action
How have you been liking it since then? I just built it and haven't played it yet.
@@GrizzneyGames It's simply amazing! Turn 2 Slicer is so fun! That and all the on-attack effects triggering 4x in a turn cycle.
@segundojogador I played mine for the first time tonight, and it was countered. That didn't feel great. I understood, though. Lol
The attacking only Tomer thing isn't a bug. Since Phil has a propaganda effect up you aren't "able" to attack him since the game can't force you to pay, so the only person Slicer can attack is Tomer.
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" we recall the year that was. Will Tomer send everyone to the Universe Beyond or will Phil become the Eminent One? Tune-in to find out!
1:11:54 "You know how goad works, Seth?" 😂
drain ya 😈
This was fun. Have you always done favorites at end of year? If not, definitely keep it up
Hedron Archive would have been a great top-deck for the mana-rock tribal endgame. Happy New Year Commander Clash crew. Thanks for the top-tier content this year.
This sparks joy
Fun idea for next season just for a couple episodes here and there just normalize land destruction as something you can play not a full arctype just to see what happens and see if it's really that bad as just your one-off thing like cyclonic rift
Absoposilutly
"We were supposed to work together, Phil" says Tomer after giving Slicer to Crim resulting in Phil being on 8 Life for most of the game.
Whenever Phil plays an old border card it sounds like he’s dirty talking into the mic
The glare Phil on window Jesus blocked my view of window Jesus I expect this to be fixed? Also I expect everyone to refer to Crim as Golddust Crim from now on!
Crim is the golden lord we need to play responsibly. Keeping everyone honest.
Never change Crim. Stay golden.
I just realized Mishra gets around the legend rule because it changes the names
Yup his Warform! ^.^
I'm glad yennett getting some love she's a great commander that's underrated and not a lot of mtg channels don't play her l love to see more of her in future keep up great content
If Phil was a pillow fort value deck, I really recommend Bantchantress led by Estrid, the Masked. You get to play every Propaganda effect and then kill people with infinite Enchantress value.
Any recommendations for hidden/cool tech? I'm assembling an Estrid deck atm.
Absolutely! For ramp, you’ll want several of the green auras that enchant lands and make them tap for extra mana. You’ll also want a copies of The Chain Veil and Oath of Teferi to get extra activations of Estrid and potentially combo infinitely. Calix, Destiny’s Hand is worse version of Estrid but gives you card advantage not attached to an Enchantress creature. Most of the other slots are enchantment-based card advantage, removal, and copy effects.
what about my boy, zur the enchanter? better name might be zur the prison warden
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Zur is also a good option! I just figured Phil would want UGX if he had the choice. 😂
I love the idea of using mana drain as ramp
My Yennett deck is by far my favorite, she’s just so much fun to play
16:50 Crim: I'm gonna let you all know right now, I have 4 lands and a Slip out the Back."
Toxic Deluge sitting in hand.
Tomer: Well he could be lying.
Crim: I have 4 lands and a Slip out the Back.
Toxic Deluge still sitting next to Slip out the Back.
haha o Crim.
1:36:44 omg, my odds brain says yay Tom! but my Spikey Hopeful brain says Jen!!!
1:29:49 Seth: "Boy, Russian Roulette when no one dies is not that interesting."
Russian: >>slams down vodka bottle
We need a deck doctor on crim. Where we put 20 ponder and looting and night's whisper effects on his deck
man if crim could have gotten that aquire a little sooner it would have been 2 portals and a meteor golem, that would have been nuts
CRIM!!! You should have cast Arcane Bombardment first, then block with Zevlor and Damnation/Archmage the following turn!
If i had to guess has to do with goad and paying to attack Phil.
Yay happy to see this
"Beep beep. Surprise."
tomer needs to put a helm of the host on slicer, just to watch the mayhem
Could Seth have cast Artisan into a Quicksilver copy of Artisan to bring Yennett back?
Nope. Artisan is a cast trigger
Question for anyone who might know, at like the 1 hour mark when Seth didn't give Phil Slicer shouldn't he have flipped to the car? Or did it not because its a copy?
not a bug, the quicksilver gargantuan doesn't have a backside to transform into so it just doesn't
I kept opening Zevlor but I refused to make a deck with it because it will obviously be the target of all players. I wish it's ability was different and allowed you to pay 1 more to target an additional player. Worse in a 3 player game but at least then you can politic.
How do you feel about Grand Theft Auto?
That was perfect.
Feel like Seth was sandbagging good plays...
He did announce that he could do something Crim wouldn't like or he could attack with his commander. And to be fair, since he was playing a janky theme from a viewer, I think it's fair to watch the deck try to enact its Russian Roulette theme at least once. That didn't really work out though. XD
I play Evil Eye in my Beamtown Bullies deck, very funny card
As someone who plays Breya and Imothek, I have to say Crim is absolutely right. Always kill the artifact player first!
Wouldn’t Seth not be able to Sacrifice tomers slicer to the legend rule because it has the ability for that turn that it cannot be sacrificed, while Seth’s could be sacrificed as it was not given to an opponent?
Technically, the legend rule doesn't make you sacrifice, it just makes you put all but one of the permanents in the graveyard, bypassing "can't be sacrificed", indestructible and so on.
704.5j If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are controlled by the same player, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.”
Phil says he needs to pillow fort … has collective restraint in hand since like turn 3 🤦♂️ but cant resist value :( the thing about a pillow fort is that you have to build it!!! You had a pillow in hand Phil!!! …. smh
When Seth didn't attack Tomer with his Slicer, it should have converted to the car side and no longer been passable to other players.
No, it was a clone, and copies of double-faced cards only copy one side of it, in this case the front side, so it tries to transform erm convert and since it doesn't have a back it fails to do so and remains as it is.
@@Niuttuc Right. Thanks!
The cost for collective restraint isnt a spell,
Except the first borderless card they pulled was an uncommon 😂
Slicer, the least fun commander to play against of 2022.
Why do they always use Rot Wolf?
I feel like this came up in a really early season and they said why. I can't be sure but I think they used it once and then just kept using it?
Very late to this, but a few years ago one of the players didn't get a screengrab of her opening hand, and she played a Rot Wolf later as part of her infect deck. Since it's a bit of an unknown card to see, it left an impact, and it's been a stand-in ever since for missing info
@@TriangularPrism Thx!
Crim’s got the Training Grounds, but is missing the Thran Turbine, major L
So in the intro we here its about Commanders from 2022, and the first Commander is one from C2018...
I play lilianna of the dark realms in every black deck the sheer number of times ive ulted her because everyone thinks its garbage. I want it yall are wrong
The MTGO fail counter rises
Is it going to be Jennifer?
I think new koth is funny in a boros or mono red walker deck, which in and of itself is already bad
The copy Slicer play from Seth is so good
I think Goad doesn't let you attack through a Ghostly Prison effect if there's another available opponent. Like, you have no choice according to the rules
Hoping for some thiCC creatures or jank : D
Tomer just spitting straight lies when he says Koth is better then Lilliana of the Dark Realms
Lying about your hand doesn't feel like good etiquette, Crim saying Slip out the back is his only play rn would be fine but lying about toxic deluge doesn't sit right
First! It's still premiere ong but GO CRIM!!!
Slicer is awful, it really warps the game around it
agreed.
80’s boomers??? Unsure if you know what either means.
I'll never understand the hatred behind Curse of Opulence from Richard, the guy that hits the others for 5 on turn 3 to glip a Dowsing Dagger (or hits you 3 times with a 4 power Sword of the Animist equipped creature) and says "You guys need to play blockers". We all need to play more blockers. The card is good for the format, it incentivizes combat, a central part of the game.
I'm pretty sure he has said in the past that it's because it usually leads to 3 players keep hitting 1 for that extra mana. And the player targeted with the Curse is usually already in the weakest position. So, whilst the card is really good, it makes the game not fun for one person.
Does crim understand what fair means? He's constantly twisting so called unfair situations in his favor. Fairness doesn't involve stealing and taking advantage of someone else's unfairness. It would involve negation only. All of Crims policing is just as unfair as what he seeks to stop and then he gaslights you guys about being the unfair ones. I would bet he's the reason this season has lost over 10k viewers per week. He's a hypocrite
He's just playing the game? It's not like he is breaking his deals, right?
@@enmanuelrondon9700 I mean, yes, sometimes lol
@@enmanuelrondon9700 that's not the issue. It's just him constantly complaining about what he considers "fair" in terms of cards allowing you to break Magics fundamental rules(mana acceleration etc). He constantly complains about how ramp etc is "unfair" and yet when he's able to turn what he considers "unfair" into an advantage for himself that's him being "fair" in his mind. However that's not fairness. This is annoying to listen to on a week to week basis. They're all just playing the game. Some Magic cards are written to break the fundamental rules. No one is actually being unfair except for Crim who thinks he can decide for the crew and all the viewers what's fair and good gameplay for Commander Clash. He's actively changing how they get to play and what we get to see based on his idea of in game fairness which doesn't match whats written on the cards. And his picking amd choosing what he feels is "unfair" is the hypocrisy. By his own logic he should also consider card draw outside the draw phase, playing at instant speed on an opponents turn, and using the graveyard at all, as unfair but he doesn't. Why? They're all card text effects that break the fundamental rules of play. If that's his standard for "unfair" then he's just as guilty yet he doesn't see this and calls his play style "fair".
I would rather not more Splicer. It's a very, "I'm going to be the main character" card. Its kinda annoying that it becomes the entire game.
100% agree. It's not interesting in any way either.
@@HypnoticGG It's a fun commander...to play. It's not very fun to watch.
Yeah, and everyone giving Seth props for copying it is really lame. You didn't like the normal version? How about a 7/7 version?!?! But somehow he doesn't become archenemy...ugh, gross. We get it Tomer, it's really good but please don't keep bringing it back.
Crim's constant complaining about artifacts and politicing his way through these games is actually frustrating to watch.
Guys, not even 20 minutes into the game and most of the talk is about other cards and other plays. I would appreciate if ya'll stay a bit more focused on the game and the actual cards being played. When you talk about a card not even on the battlefield, it makes me lose interest in the current game and want to go elsewhere. I enjoy ya'll's talk, but keep it focused on the current game!
Huge miss for Seth here. Great showing for Tomer's commander and Thieving Amalgam but 0 Yennett spins until he has Crim dead on board is a huge flavor fail.