It's a long video! Here's where to find what: 0:49 RepRap Sells Mendel 1:32 Mini Hangprinter 2:15 Hangprinter interview with Torbjørn Ludvigsen 6:26 E3D Toolchanger interview with Sanjay Mortimer 10:39 Duet v2 and Maestro Interview with David Crocker
David is awesome. I'm maxing out the Duet -- I'm loving the flexibility. He added y axis mapping(for dual Y gantries) in 2 days when I asked for it last year -- that short he described has actually happened to me where the sleeve from the heater cartridge wire pulled up and shorted to the volcano block (old style) which had a short to the thermistor and killed one of my smoothie boards -- a resetable fuse is brilliant, and detecting the fault and having the firmware report it, wow didn't know my board does that! If you excuse me, but I'm just going to take his word for it -- I check my heater blocks for shorts when assembling now, so I'm not risking that.
I discovered Duet3D in your MRRF2018 video, since then, I bought one, and installed it on my printrbot simple metal ! Amazing stuff ! It's the first time that I "hear" these new trinamic drivers, and I'm blown away ! And what a joy to use: the web interface is soooo practical ! I'm a fan now :-D
Love the DUET boards, they are way ahead of any other competitor. I'm very grateful for all the hard work David has put into the development of the DUET controllers. I have been hoping for a lower cost version and am very excited to see the new version 3 boards. Keep it up David!
David is a great guy. I think maestro is going to be cheaper than duet, ain't it? I am very glad i kicked the bucket and got me a duet board. I am very happy with my decision!
The vacuum is a very nice addition to the E3D "Medusa"! (There you go, it has a name now.) All that waste filament piled up inside the box at MRRF was messy. Great to see the Duet3D folks in attendance. Their boards are a big favorite among the Marlin geeks.
A few seconds per data sample. We used 13 samples. A few minutes to paste sample data into the script. A few seconds to run the script. Copy the M665 output from the script into Pronterface. Send. M500. Send. Done =D Aiming for one click anchor location calibration + optional camera feedback this year.
Sounds awesome. I would like to do some testing with the mechaduino, $49 each is a little steep. I am hoping they will become a little more popular and the prices will come down.
Me too. I'm a bit surprised they have stayed expensive for as long as they have. Waiting for them to get in stock and through customs almost made me a Mechaduino supplier myself. If Mechaduino price remains a threshold to closed-loop adoption we should maybe try to build encoder-only PCBs, and do all the closed-loop computation directly in firmware, using a beefier 32-bit micro-controller...
I'd like to go to a 3d printing expo or event but is there a calendar listing out all these events? If not then it would be an opportunity to post a list and/or map of up coming events
Oh God, the Duet segment had me sweating since I basically just shelled out for my first Duet a couple of months ago, but I see that while a lower cost board would have been nice I'm not missing out on anything and even the Duet 3 seems like it won't be aimed at my class of printer so thank goodness.
Dual G-code streams on a CAN bus with unlimited steppers... under full script control... Take My Money!!! Wow, Thanks Tom for the excellent interviews.
Hey Tom. Any chance you'll do a video on the zesty nimble extruder? Looks interesting. It's a "Remote direct drive" extruder that uses a cable to transfer motion to the extruder. The part the mounts on the printer is like 27g. I'm using a titan direct to an e3d v6. Would love to lower the weight of my hotend and reduce ringing, by switching to this, if it's as good as they say.
Not gonna lie, turned in solely for the duet. Man I love my wifi. Mind blown when I learned how to re assign pins to control the servo on the bltouch using simple g code commands. Oh yea, and the lack of click wheel goodness 8 bit boards have is a godsend. Nothing better than controlling my printer fem my phone. No raspberry pi to set up, no fumbling with sd cards or USB cables. Just hit upload and print, watch it on the built in webcam support on the web based interface, and print tons of vases.
Vape Scaped How fast is the wifi file transfer on the Duet? I bought a Smoothieware clone and it takes ages to transfer files over Ethernet. I should have went with the Duet but the price of the board was almost as much as my project printer. That cheaper Duet looks like it's going to be perfect for my cheap machine.
Nice! I will definitely look into getting the cheaper Duet once it's available. The Smoothieware clone disappointed me, even the USB transfers were mediocre and the web interface looks like it belongs in the 90s
5mb gcode in 15 seconds is slower than expected. I test the upload speed regularly and 800kBytes/sec is typical for me, both over WiFi and over Ethernet. Sometimes I get over 1MByte/sec. A weak WiFi signal or a heavily fragmented SD card can reduce it. Using the largest possible cluster size (64Kb) on the SD card helps too.
Those transitions. HP->E3D and E3D->David. Smooth. And then David mentioning the 7 stepper extensions on DuetWifi. They are perfect for connecting Mechaduinos onto. I guess we'll have five soldered TMC2660s left over for all the Hangprinter v4 tool heads then ;)
Running Marlin on a Duet would be like putting a Mini engine in a Porsche. Marlin is designed for 8-bit electronics, it doesn't take advantage of the benefits of a 32-bit platform.
I seem to be a month late to the party, but: Cool video, very much appreciated! I'm currently deciding on buying a Duet with extension, and hearing how far off the next version still is and that the only thing in the pipeline will be less powerful than I need (or rather: want) at the moment definitely made my decision easier. Cheers!
Looked at the hangprinter website today. It appears the project is dead. Kind of a bummer. The mechaduino boards are too expensive to make this something I want to mess with.
Thanks for your interesting video. If you supply links to the projects of the people you interview then they would get more traffic to form the people that don't take time to Google.
They engineer and produce "one of best mainboards" but for some reason they don't send one to Tom for a review... I just don't understand why? Tom's review would have a huge effect on my purchasing decision as well as many others.
Hi Thomas I wanted to know how could I get in touch with you about buying a 3D Printer and just get your advice to which one is the best model and the best finished products and quality is very important to me and this is my first time getting involved with 3D printing I am trying to find away for my recovery and this is the only thing I can do I can't lift anything with my injuries I am trying to get the right person to talk to me and give me the right advice on what is the best 3D Printer to get to find the right printer to suit me and get my mind working again Thomas I hope you can make contact with me please kind Regards Teady
I wonder how much practice it took Sanjay to say 'vacuum cleaner' rather than 'hoover' when he's talking about his new feature :) In the UK we tend to call all vacuum cleaners hoovers.
pls thomas can you help me get the mini hangprinter builders contact cause in my country nema motors are too expensive able to by 6 of the unipolar motors and 3d printing is too expensive except for companies i want to build a hang printer that uses recycled plastic that is all locally made pls so i need the plans and i want to improve its accuracy so i can build a better version
what large OEM the Duet guy are talking about? For the Duet Maestro? oh... the video was uploaded like now... so it's not yet out :p haha next week, the 23
You don't want stealthChop, it doesn't work on most 3D printers. The stealthChop2 mode from the 2208/2224 is stronger. Those are my drivers of choice. Panucatt sell good SD2224.
We chose TMC2660 for the Duet WiFi because the TMC2130 can't handle as much stepper motor current as the A4988 and other drivers that were popular at the time. We didn't think it made sense to bring out a board that was less capable (in terms of motor current) than every other board on the market. Whereas the TMC2660 handles more current - around 2.0A without fan cooling and 2.4A with. The TMC2130 is OK if you choose the motors carefully. Prusa has his own branded motors, so I expect he chose the winding parameters to be a good match for the TMC2130.
No one in their right mind would buy a Duet Maestro for $130 when you can get a better Duet Wifi for $120 :/ If the board costed $85, maybe worth considering but yeah, I agree the duet line is for high end users, rip peasants
Capricorn XS gave me an instant 0.5mm reduction in retraction compared to old 2mm ID PTFE tube. It's really helpful in keeping PETG play and stringing down. Strong recommendation, I wouldn't bother building with 2mm PTFE tube again.
Bought Duet WiFi + PanelDue, yay right?! Not quite, one week later Duet kit went on eBay and I’ve become Patreon to Marlin dev fella. Hardware is great, no doubts about that. Biggest letdown - firmware. Sorry but Duet seems a bit too overhyped, but again it’s subjective - there’s good reason some people love their Duet boards.
please explain how the firmware was a let down for you -- i actually found setting it up quite easy. being able to do so with nothing but your browser adds to that. and documentation + forum cleared any of my questions...
It's a long video! Here's where to find what:
0:49 RepRap Sells Mendel
1:32 Mini Hangprinter
2:15 Hangprinter interview with Torbjørn Ludvigsen
6:26 E3D Toolchanger interview with Sanjay Mortimer
10:39 Duet v2 and Maestro Interview with David Crocker
This is NOT long at all Tom, especially knowing that some of your videos are 7 hours long sometimes :-P
Not long enough! I want more news from you. More, more,. more, more, more!
I‘ve been there myself but still watched it all as it was very interesting and informative! Very well done 👍🏼
Shame you didn't ask about the real time kernel they're going to use for the next gen Duet?
I love the flow of this one :)
Nice meeting you there buddy!
You have been found!
That mendel was absolutely beautiful.. Man I missed these old machines no matter how crappy they mightve been.
David is awesome. I'm maxing out the Duet -- I'm loving the flexibility. He added y axis mapping(for dual Y gantries) in 2 days when I asked for it last year -- that short he described has actually happened to me where the sleeve from the heater cartridge wire pulled up and shorted to the volcano block (old style) which had a short to the thermistor and killed one of my smoothie boards -- a resetable fuse is brilliant, and detecting the fault and having the firmware report it, wow didn't know my board does that! If you excuse me, but I'm just going to take his word for it -- I check my heater blocks for shorts when assembling now, so I'm not risking that.
I discovered Duet3D in your MRRF2018 video, since then, I bought one, and installed it on my printrbot simple metal ! Amazing stuff ! It's the first time that I "hear" these new trinamic drivers, and I'm blown away ! And what a joy to use: the web interface is soooo practical ! I'm a fan now :-D
Love the DUET boards, they are way ahead of any other competitor. I'm very grateful for all the hard work David has put into the development of the DUET controllers. I have been hoping for a lower cost version and am very excited to see the new version 3 boards. Keep it up David!
David is a great guy. I think maestro is going to be cheaper than duet, ain't it? I am very glad i kicked the bucket and got me a duet board. I am very happy with my decision!
I'ts the only board I will buy now!
Could I possibly get a parts list and where to find them for the mini hang printer??
Great brief tour of the event! I really enjoy seeing the latest projects people are working on!
Nice to meet you and thanks for taking a photo with you!
That purge area and brush at 7:00 reminded me of the same feature on the stratsys 3d printer my grad school lab had!
I'm so glad I bought a duet wifi for my printer build. alot of love and brain behind these boards!
thanks dudes!
Does anyone know where I could get build details on the mini hanging printer?
I'm very interested too
I feel like everyone in the 3Dprinting community are really honest and supportive of each other even though many of them are competitors.
Is that a wild 3DMakerNoob sighting at 2:07?
The vacuum is a very nice addition to the E3D "Medusa"! (There you go, it has a name now.) All that waste filament piled up inside the box at MRRF was messy. Great to see the Duet3D folks in attendance. Their boards are a big favorite among the Marlin geeks.
Scott Lahteine “Medusa” I love it
Medusa so fitting. Greek mythology name fits too (i.e. with Titan, Cyclops).
Also maybe hydra
www.3ding.in/3dprinters/hydra
Scott Lahteine ah well
Tom, you should try to make the mini-hangprinter for as cheap as possible. That would be a cool video
Interesting content and great to see a strong UK presence both at the show and within the industry!
Great video Tom, thanks for allowing me to 'be there'
Don't need a time index for different parts of your videos, I never miss a second.
Does anyone know where more information for the mini hang printer is available?
7 Minute hang printer calibration! Wow is right! Awesome!
A few seconds per data sample. We used 13 samples. A few minutes to paste sample data into the script. A few seconds to run the script. Copy the M665 output from the script into Pronterface. Send. M500. Send. Done =D Aiming for one click anchor location calibration + optional camera feedback this year.
Sounds awesome. I would like to do some testing with the mechaduino, $49 each is a little steep. I am hoping they will become a little more popular and the prices will come down.
Me too. I'm a bit surprised they have stayed expensive for as long as they have. Waiting for them to get in stock and through customs almost made me a Mechaduino supplier myself.
If Mechaduino price remains a threshold to closed-loop adoption we should maybe try to build encoder-only PCBs, and do all the closed-loop computation directly in firmware, using a beefier 32-bit micro-controller...
love the casey neistat style entrance at the start!
Perfect timing, I was just looking for a new board with trinamic drivers.
Thanks for showing us around in the Sweden meetup Tom! Nice video editing! Good interviews as always!! HQ content!
CLOSED LOOP!!! -- Now, that's fucking exciting!
Def picking the Duet now. Great guy.
I'd like to go to a 3d printing expo or event but is there a calendar listing out all these events? If not then it would be an opportunity to post a list and/or map of up coming events
An interview of Jonas about the mini-hangprinter would have been awesome, Thomas :-(
+1
duet seems really, really amazing.
Oh God, the Duet segment had me sweating since I basically just shelled out for my first Duet a couple of months ago, but I see that while a lower cost board would have been nice I'm not missing out on anything and even the Duet 3 seems like it won't be aimed at my class of printer so thank goodness.
Duet is doing it right, the speaker was so knowledgeable about the platform
I love this community so much!
Hey Thomas I wanted to ask if you are going to go to the hobby und Spiel convention?
Woop big up the small UK companies knocking it out the park. An affordable duet Wi-Fi OMG that is going straight into my delta :)
I was thinking the same.
Seems to be a common thought
Yeah...got to do what they can before next March.
Dual G-code streams on a CAN bus with unlimited steppers... under full script control... Take My Money!!! Wow, Thanks Tom for the excellent interviews.
Nice roundup. Exciting news. Thx. Keep up the great content!...
That was a really cool overview of the Sweden meetup thank you.
Excellent video Tom, I really liked you're links between interviews :)
Top quality transitions there, Tom
Some really cool stuff being shown off there! Great work as always!
Hey Tom. Any chance you'll do a video on the zesty nimble extruder? Looks interesting. It's a "Remote direct drive" extruder that uses a cable to transfer motion to the extruder. The part the mounts on the printer is like 27g. I'm using a titan direct to an e3d v6. Would love to lower the weight of my hotend and reduce ringing, by switching to this, if it's as good as they say.
Will you be at ERRF this summer?
It was nice meeting you in Sweden Tomas. See you next year. 😀
I loved the vibe of this video Tom. I knew I would, that’s why I always hit that 👍🏽 while your videos are still loading. Cheers
Not gonna lie, turned in solely for the duet. Man I love my wifi. Mind blown when I learned how to re assign pins to control the servo on the bltouch using simple g code commands. Oh yea, and the lack of click wheel goodness 8 bit boards have is a godsend. Nothing better than controlling my printer fem my phone. No raspberry pi to set up, no fumbling with sd cards or USB cables. Just hit upload and print, watch it on the built in webcam support on the web based interface, and print tons of vases.
Vape Scaped How fast is the wifi file transfer on the Duet? I bought a Smoothieware clone and it takes ages to transfer files over Ethernet. I should have went with the Duet but the price of the board was almost as much as my project printer. That cheaper Duet looks like it's going to be perfect for my cheap machine.
Jorge Ramirez takes maybe 5 seconds or less. Def fast enough for me.
its fast. 5mb gcode in 15 seconds
Nice! I will definitely look into getting the cheaper Duet once it's available. The Smoothieware clone disappointed me, even the USB transfers were mediocre and the web interface looks like it belongs in the 90s
5mb gcode in 15 seconds is slower than expected. I test the upload speed regularly and 800kBytes/sec is typical for me, both over WiFi and over Ethernet. Sometimes I get over 1MByte/sec. A weak WiFi signal or a heavily fragmented SD card can reduce it. Using the largest possible cluster size (64Kb) on the SD card helps too.
Those transitions. HP->E3D and E3D->David. Smooth.
And then David mentioning the 7 stepper extensions on DuetWifi. They are perfect for connecting Mechaduinos onto. I guess we'll have five soldered TMC2660s left over for all the Hangprinter v4 tool heads then ;)
Nice video, like the Hangprinter. Thank you for sharing.
Such a great video Thomas! I loved the edits in the beginning and the music.
I can see this 3D printing a house one day! Awesome!
Atention at 9:04 what's the name of that backpack in the back, on the floor?
I would pay for Toms Episodes monthly! Such great content, and wow that production work!
Michael Rinkle: You can support him on Patreon to do just that.
If A Vacuum Sucks, Is It Good Or Bad?
At least it feels good.
How does the $29 hang printer get that low price. A decent hotend will take about half that budget.
Have a look at the Tetra 3D Printer group at facebook for details
Hi do you have a link to the mini hang printer. Id like to build one myself :)
Why do you need two Persians to calibrate the hang printer? That's oddly specific ;)
Duet v2 is actually up for sale now also can it run marlin ?
they were talking about duet 3
Running Marlin on a Duet would be like putting a Mini engine in a Porsche. Marlin is designed for 8-bit electronics, it doesn't take advantage of the benefits of a 32-bit platform.
I seem to be a month late to the party, but: Cool video, very much appreciated! I'm currently deciding on buying a Duet with extension, and hearing how far off the next version still is and that the only thing in the pipeline will be less powerful than I need (or rather: want) at the moment definitely made my decision easier. Cheers!
That tool head changing printer is super sexy. Wish I could afford one.
Hi Tom, Any 3DMS plan anytime soon in south East Asia? (SEA)
What torque sensitive motor is he using for the hangprinter?
Robin McCaffrey: It's called Mechaduino
Where are info for mini hangprinter I wanna build one
Looked at the hangprinter website today. It appears the project is dead. Kind of a bummer. The mechaduino boards are too expensive to make this something I want to mess with.
Duet 3 Wow, I know what I will upgrade to in my HEVO, and my "old" Duet Ethernet will drive my older printer :D
Now i know ill be trying out a duet board.
Love your stuff Tom!
Great job Thomas
Great as always!
I wonder how it smells over there.
Who deals you/him those beats?
I think when Tom said to Sanjay that machine 'sucks', he actually meant it ; )
Duet 3??? Oh man that’s exciting! I better start saving...
Thanks for your interesting video.
If you supply links to the projects of the people you interview then they would get more traffic to form the people that don't take time to Google.
Have know DC42 from the RepRap forums for almost 4 years never until today a saw it on a video XD
4:49 - What if I don't have any Persians?
Duet is indeed doing very good.
But the starting price of the new board is not exactly more affordable :')
Is the quality of hangprinters really that bad Thomas?
It looks like you really appreciate Sanjay Mortimer a lot :)
Hearing The Strokes playing in the background. During the Duet3D
They engineer and produce "one of best mainboards" but for some reason they don't send one to Tom for a review... I just don't understand why?
Tom's review would have a huge effect on my purchasing decision as well as many others.
Hi Thomas I wanted to know how could I get in touch with you about buying a 3D Printer and just get your advice to which one is the best model and the best finished products and quality is very important to me and this is my first time getting involved with 3D printing I am trying to find away for my recovery and this is the only thing I can do I can't lift anything with my injuries
I am trying to get the right person to talk to me and give me the right advice on what is the best 3D Printer to get to find the right printer to suit me and get my mind working again Thomas I hope you can make contact with me please kind Regards Teady
I wonder how much practice it took Sanjay to say 'vacuum cleaner' rather than 'hoover' when he's talking about his new feature :)
In the UK we tend to call all vacuum cleaners hoovers.
How do you clean a Thermos? With a Hoover!
Cool stuff!
pls thomas can you help me get the mini hangprinter builders contact cause in my country nema motors are too expensive able to by 6 of the unipolar motors and 3d printing is too expensive except for companies i want to build a hang printer that uses recycled plastic that is all locally made pls so i need the plans and i want to improve its accuracy so i can build a better version
more info mini hang printer
Funny that Duet avoids saying who they partnered with on the new board. It is M3D they partnered with. That board is going in their new printers.
At the time, the hardware was unreleased and the M3D partnership unannounced. So today, this is all public knowledge 😋
what large OEM the Duet guy are talking about? For the Duet Maestro? oh... the video was uploaded like now... so it's not yet out :p haha next week, the 23
Jerome Demers M3D?
Why does DuetWifi uses TMC2660 instead of 2130? It seems to be really loud.
2660 has all the features of 2130 plus some others, and supports more current. 2660 is better but you can't get them as Pololu-style stepsticks.
Jamie The official website shows that 2660 lacks StealthChop and passive braking camparing to 2130.
You don't want stealthChop, it doesn't work on most 3D printers. The stealthChop2 mode from the 2208/2224 is stronger. Those are my drivers of choice. Panucatt sell good SD2224.
We chose TMC2660 for the Duet WiFi because the TMC2130 can't handle as much stepper motor current as the A4988 and other drivers that were popular at the time. We didn't think it made sense to bring out a board that was less capable (in terms of motor current) than every other board on the market. Whereas the TMC2660 handles more current - around 2.0A without fan cooling and 2.4A with.
The TMC2130 is OK if you choose the motors carefully. Prusa has his own branded motors, so I expect he chose the winding parameters to be a good match for the TMC2130.
Thanks for the explanation! Good to know.
Watching this now!
Translation: "Unique print quality" = TOTAL AND COMPLETE CRAP! :)
Still waiting for an even cheaper Duet designed for manufacture in china.
Great..
No one in their right mind would buy a Duet Maestro for $130 when you can get a better Duet Wifi for $120 :/ If the board costed $85, maybe worth considering but yeah, I agree the duet line is for high end users, rip peasants
getting to shake your hand made my day!
although only briefly, sorry for interrupting your dinner... ^^
Thomas Sanladerer
Can we make 3D Printer with PLC Controller?
Capricorn XS gave me an instant 0.5mm reduction in retraction compared to old 2mm ID PTFE tube. It's really helpful in keeping PETG play and stringing down. Strong recommendation, I wouldn't bother building with 2mm PTFE tube again.
How it going tom
Very Casey Neistat-y
Capricorn/unicorn tubing they should have been selling that for at least 3 years now lol, yet they just did that recently.
1000th like
13 minutes....
Bought Duet WiFi + PanelDue, yay right?! Not quite, one week later Duet kit went on eBay and I’ve become Patreon to Marlin dev fella. Hardware is great, no doubts about that. Biggest letdown - firmware. Sorry but Duet seems a bit too overhyped, but again it’s subjective - there’s good reason some people love their Duet boards.
I'm currently looking at control boards, what issues were you having with the Duet that made you move away from it?
please explain how the firmware was a let down for you -- i actually found setting it up quite easy. being able to do so with nothing but your browser adds to that. and documentation + forum cleared any of my questions...
Can you elaborate on what what you find to be overhyped about the RepRapFirmware? I'm genuinely interested.
I Suspect he couldn't get to grips with configuring via Gcode