Exactly!!! And don't let them fall out with a celebrity... they'll blast all their tea so I'm 1000 with Elliott as it relates to these folks NOT being and should never be viewed/called journalists.
Lupe is a Legend but he just isn’t the same dude he once was. Ever since his fallout with Royce and his response you could see what time he is on now unfortunately..
@@nine27that lil pod they had for a minute was fun, Tom thought he had his come up, then……… Egos got in the way. But your onto something with “not the same dude”. He clearly can write exquisite bars but he’s way too in love with his own self. Maybe some time will have the scales fall off Lou’s eyes. One can hope! He can rap skate and king fu better than 97% of us, but can’t find humility to save his life, $#!+s wild!
I don't want to know about their personal life. I want the music. It's easy to be a Beyonce and Kendrick fan because they speak through their art. I literally saw an interviewer ask Kendrick about his underwear like WTH
The real problem is entitlement. Mainstream media wants to act li,e the celebrities need them when, in actuality, the celebrities are the product. Media needs the product more than the other way around. Podcasts and celebrities are cutting off dead weight and entitled unsolicited opinions from people who believe themselves to be more important than they actually are. Y'all are breaking their pockets.
Yeah. If you're an artist that can make music that your fans like, and your current approach works for you. Why should you care that elliot Wilson is hoping to bag an interview?
@CurtissKingTV Terell had an interview with Katt? I never knew that. I know Katt did Shannon Sharp, Mark Lamott Hill, and even Rogan, but I never saw him on Terell. Got a find that.
It's interesting that the first and only question Rory confessed to wanting to ask Kendrick is whether he thinks Drake's a pdf or not lmao. Current journalists and media personalities's interest in art and artist begins and ends with trivia and controversy. Heck, Rory and Mal feel like they're part of the beef and hold a bizarre and obssessive grudge towards an artist who might've never heard of them. Why would any artist waste their time of the day to entertain such buffoonery when regular fans are much more adept at dissecting and discussing their art than said journalists qnd critics?
Im 40 so i grew up in the 90s a die hard hip hop fan i collected The Source and XXL every month for years. I miss the connection with the artist you would see them on Rap City, read the articles hear them on the radio the singles would drop months before the album would you had ads that ran for months to get you pumped and built which made you connect more with your album and artist. We dont have that anymore they just randomly drop projects no pub no interview nothing so it dont stick. Great conversation we need more like this
It’s funny how hip hop has reached that point where retired rappers have podcasts the same way retired sports players become commentators. Rappers can relate to rappers makes for an interesting conversation. Hip hop interviewers started talking like they’re the gate keepers. They don’t ask interesting questions. They usually glaze rappers. Elliot’s interview with Tyler was boring.
I like the mixture of both because a traditional journalist typically will ask and dig a bit more on the tougher questions. But I do really enjoy professional to professional conversations too because they can get into the nuances that me as fan I didnt even know I wanted to learn about.
Boxers turn into boxing analysts all the time , same with nba players, why can’t rappers do it? Seems like the elite don’t want rappers to have more ownership and presence in the world
Because majority of these rappers don't have the skillset to interview, they lack integrity, their biases are evident, they never fact check, etc etc etc
Being a rap “analyst” is different from being a journalist. Totally different skill set. If you said boxing journalist, sports journalist, etc. I would have agreed with you.
So many entitled people man lol some artists just want to make their art and most of it speaks for itself. I can care less who my favorite artist speak to and do an interview with. People gona be mad whether they do or don’t.
The woman on the Rory and Mal podcast asked the right question, what is Elliot Wilson better at? because I don't enjoy anything that he does. Specifically, I've never learned more from an Elliot Wilson interview than what was said in a radio interview. I like when artists interview other artists. I used to listen to Questlove Supreme podcast all the time, my favorite Vince Staples' interview is on Microphone Check podcast with Ali Shaheed Muhammad (from A Tribe Called Quest), and my favorite Tyler, The Creator interview are ones he conducted himself. (he also had a golf media radio show that was great) I'd rather watch Curtiss interview people (I learned so much from that impromptu Lupe conversation). It seems like Elliot Wilson forgot that part of why artists stopped going to traditional media to be interviewed was because these so called "journalists" were being messy. There's a de-centering of celebrities going on right now, and to be quite honest, I am less interested in the mess "journalists" like to ask about. Plus artists don't have to do anything they don't want to do. If Elliot wants to compete or whatever... he needs to conduct better interviews.
@TamiaPeach the stuff that I read is basic at best. Idk if he does it anymore, but he used to have a magazine called Respect. Nothing jumps out at me, but I'm open to being wrong.
@@FlyyScienceidk about Respecr, but I know he founded Rap Radar and was EIC for XXL Magazine way back when, and has written for other big names. I watched his recent interview with Mustard and I enjoyed that too. I think he just needs to be more optimistic instead of complaining. He’s contributed a lot to the culture and the industry.
I would like to see Drake sitting down and someone asking him if he really believes Kendrick beats his wife or that Kendrick’s son is for Dave Free? Why always questioning Kendrick?
Elliot is great in his journalist bag but he's seems to be struggling when finding his place in streaming. Sometimes he's serious Sometimes he plays villan fir ratings
Media in general has become content which is a huge part of the issue. a lot of these podcasters (not all but a lot) ask dumb questions not know anything or fan out and don't ask any real questions and the "journalists" try to make their name off of lies and BS and have become untrustworthy. the fact that she had to say "its not about getting it right its about being entertaining" is the entire problem with all it.
I hear him. It's like what Jon Bernthal is doing with "Real Ones". As a dope actor, he's interviewing other actors and bringing out their experience in a way no one has seen before. An actor getting into the mind of actors and articulating that experience. People who have that primary experience and can tell that story from the inside and outside.💯
You’re spot on! I said it years ago. Sports media has gotten out of hand with the clickbait takes. They talk like they’ve achieved what these athletes/rappers have achieved and talk down on them and expect them to just remain “professional”
Isn’t this the medias fault? Artists still go to Big Boi and some other hip hop interviews. Also, why go on an interview when they can just post something in their Instagram.
Curtis, I think artist across all forms of media, including music, sports or entertainment are getting to point they prefer telling their own stories and painting their own narratives instead of leaving it to the traditional journalists and gatekeepers who’s probably burned them throughout the years.
To the point of artist, interviewing artist, that’s what I want as a viewer. Nothing made me click a video faster when I saw cam interviewing 50 Cent that was must watch TH-cam.
Sounds like hate to me. Journalists have not adapted and he doesn’t want to adapt. Most celebs currently don’t want to do interviews. They don’t want to feel like they’re in court with the 3rd degree and you asking questions about things they don’t want to talk about. And even when they say they don’t want to talk about it, that brings up questions. He say, he don’t feel Drake or Kendrick is “ready” to talk about their beef, that’s why they haven’t. Have you not considered that they just “dont want” to talk about it. Sounds like he feels entitled to do interviews like someone owes him interviews cause he’s been around. Current times doesn’t say interviews are necessary and they can go talk to another celeb and have fun while talking, chillin, eating, laughing, going over memories and not worry about being put in a compromised position. Maybe them going this way allows them to show more of their character to the audience of who they are than sitting on a stand in your interview having to over think an answer and be cautious. Just saying, journalist are not above adapting. We have weathermen with TikTok channels dancing and all that now. even music has changed, sales have changed, producing have changed, writing have changed, people have changed and your job description has not, and to most, it currently doesnt fit with a lot of the current folks you want to talk to.
I cant take no more of listening to a grown man complain about interviews he did not get, this is only gonna make people not want to sit down with you. Its not about being vulnerable not about saying the truth its a adult cry baby this shit is sad.😢
To the point about artists struggling to reach platforms and then doing content themselves, our platform was literally created because of lack of spaces for independent Hip Hop to be seen. This is a great topic. Kudos.
No matter what elliot straight hating. People like curtis or tcm or wayno or rob or elsie showing you can do it on youtube/social media and get interviews and great content elliot mad artists don’t HAVE to go through corporate media
I’m a leave yall with this… We gotta stop calling everything “evolution”, just because time is passing while changes occurs. What we are witnessing in todays time is a whole lot more things devolving if anything 🤷🏿♂️
I enjoyed the interview and reaction. Good points made on both sides Curtiss. But can you please add a couple more headshots into the rotation for the video thumbnails for 2025, please. lol
‼️‼️‼️WITH all due respect: I’m tired of seeing Elliott go everywhere and tell everybody why journalists are still needed. Go do some journalism that proves that you’re still needed‼️‼️‼️ ALSO without the gatekeeping of the industry and the need to make yourself known/marketable to the ignorant, artists are making themselves well-known through their social media following, live streams, etc.
Elliot has to be down bad. He shouldn’t still be in the space competing with yall when he was once EOC for XXL. Gotta be funny convos at the dinner table. He’s reposting Meg twerking while his wife is doing documentaries on Luther for CNN.. What Elliot is missing is journalists had to pick a side. They want to have opinions now, make lists, give hot takes. You sacrifice that. Why would roc Marci sit down with Bdot after dropping 2 damn good projects and left off his list for Drake (who had his worst year) and JID who did features. Why sit down with them?
Rappers that big don't want to go sit on an interview just to find out the next day that they have inadvertently only given their opps a bunch of ammo that they shouldn't have given them, and that can now be used up against them. I am a Kendrick fan and his mystique is part of his allure and i wouldn't want him changing that. I don't care about anything Wilson or anyone else feel like they need to ask him 🤷🏽♂️
I appreciate u 4 acknowledging how as artist we have felt the same way about the invasion into our space by those who don’t care or have the dedication to the craft how we do. The same happened with engineering and dancing. I get Elliots approach is abrasive but his point is valid
Entertainers or devolving to being bad at interviews because 1. They don’t do interviews with journalist 2 . They don’t have the media training to do an interview with a real journalist anyway .
I think Elliot is entitled and tired of adapting which might mean it's time to retire. That may sound harsh but I watch him on his platform with DJ head and Jeremy Hecht and Elliot has outright said he's more important than the rappers he used to interview 30 years ago because he outlived them. His lack of empathy and lack of in touchness are valid reasons why he doesn't have the audience to attract the talent that he's looking to interview. And ultimately no one owes him his shot. He's saying he's still in it and he wants a shot so he has to prove it by being the person who attracts the audience who attracts the artists. Obviously he has to do it in his own way but what he is complaining about is what all of these musicians that he supposedly outlived have been dealing with their entire career. Congratulations elliot, use it as an opportunity for growth
You had a interesting perspective I agree with. I think their will always be a space for the professionals that know the art of journalism & know how to formulate questions to get the great answers. I also think their is a space for the celebs who are coming to the space leveraging their relationships. They may be able to get a more authentic interview from their peers but at times they ask the easiest questions we already knew the whole time.
*Music* is also an essential pie slice of *Media* by the way *Curtiss* i say that just to remind you that you were MEANT to upload this *King* wether you are aware of it or not your *Music* or soul tie to such an art created a presence around you that in which welcomed those *Journalists* to surround you. *Music* IS that powerful and beautiful. You put me on game in areas I've yet to venture in whereas maybe I'm meant to hover nearby and not necessarily give back game yet instead relate in areas you've allowed to collect dust may that be because of life itself justifiably interfering for maturing purposes or your natural creativeness to continue flourishing upon this platform.
Elliott complaint is valid, but it's also crazy because he's the last one to have the last big Drake exclusive interview. Yes it was years ago, but he sounds like he's hurt that he can't get that again, and he should really be unbotherwd by it and let Drake come to him. Becuase eventually Drake will have to address this rap beef with Kendrick. He won't be able to avoid it. That's why Drake is also ducking Ak. Although I don't care about Akademiks because he's compromised. Drake will have to address this and he will need to speak to someone or do his own documentary that is rooted in truth, not this fictional foolishness he's currently doing with streamers.
At 'it is what it is', they hired Treasure Wilson to do the research... in terms of preparedness, she does a great job, then Cam'ron does his best to stay current and Mase last, Mase used to never know what's going on LOL but he's gotten better because the fans were calling him out on it
I get both sides because the media has definitely changed. However, I think not interviewing artists doesn’t allow the true information to be taught as to how all this stuff really happens. This in turn creates the dumb artist because they think these people wake up rich and show up on streams eating cereal with popular streamers. We can do both fun & info at the same time.
The sitdown is overrated because the conversations are not authentically interesting. Also, there is an over saturation of less-than-talented content creators and old school journalists hating...within the space.
The art is the key but I do have an attachment to my fav artist b/c of who they appear to be from interviews or conversations. Jay Nas Pac Beyonce Usher Kendrick Eminem Will Smith Denzel even Cardi B won me over b/c of who was online all got buy it from me beyond the art they gave us but they built a connection which creates some loyalty. It allows u as a fan to be more invested in their growth and journey and not simply expect the same content from them u fell in love with.
This is all kinda emblematic of the times in a lot of ways and getting older makes this impossible for me to unsee. In general, ART IS A WAY OF COMMUNICATING. Art is for the artist. It is NOT made for the patron or consumer. Therefore, the idea that a music artist must communicate via interview to EXPLAIN their art is ...silly on its face. Yet this is what we've been told to expect by our culture and society and by decades, if not centuries, of precedent. We expect artists to explain themselves. And whats emblematic here is the very idea that language, text, talking ...this *particular format* is supposed to be used for EVERYTHING. Not so. It is in fact the reason we find it hard to understand one another today in ways that were never an issue even 2 decades ago. The reason for this is because TEXT is the preferred medium of the internet at every level. And MANY of you will say that images and video go against this point. Not so. They are all files on a computer composed exclusively of text. Everything in todays world must be reducible to text in order for us to share it. And this is a frustrating place to be. We all feel it differently, but we all feel it. Artists especially. Many of them dont want to sit with anyone, not just because of a lack of trust, but because they understand that the medium is the message. And they want to speak through their art. None of this is devalue journalism -- its just a different medium. We cant expect artists to want to use that to communicate about their art. EDIT: to add Elliot is right. People are just lonely in the 21st century. COVID hyper accelerated the movement to STRICTLY ONLINE communities. Mal and Rory saying ish like "ppl want to ppl they can relate to, they dont like journalism..." [paraphrasing] I hate to say, but they must go outside and find this "relate to" thing in their own lives. Its not online, and no platform should be lying to them about that.
I think the decade of breaking the media era. Is that people are struggling with the concepts of Professionalism- journalism Artists- the content of music itself Content creators- are mostly the public/ who may have a passion for something/ a gimmick to get attention to themselves/ fan of a piece of content Business- The industry itself ( how it works/ the history/ the profit process/ the audience) All these mechanisms take critical thinking and understanding how they support themselves in a specific structure. The biggest challenge- Is social media being a interruption that has broken down the previous system Where now in a situation where we need like before a definition of various platforms and values. Opinion media has been destructive thus far. Because most of the time the audience doesn’t care to define opinion from entertainment or journalism . Listening to all these different medias with different perspectives. It’s growing pains for sure. I do believe a lot of people should not have podcasts. There are some good ones out there but the rest of them 😂
Would any of these people have been creating content without the music to talk about ! Because with the Kendrick vs drake thing the majority of it was people analysing the lyrics and music !!!!
I think it’s strangely ironic this conversation is a microcosm of what we saw in Kendrick and Drake battle … our impulse is to think society would like to hear more from “Drake” because of so many skews .. but because there was a shift caused by a different outcome (Kendrick being victorious) someone like Dochii can go on Tiny Desk and kill it .. wait so are we not thirsty for mumble rap anymore ? I think the consumer enjoys seeing artist interact in a candid way but I don’t care to see SZA interview Kendrick . The artist will prioritize the relationship OVER informing us of something new about the person
Does anyone notice Elliot seemed intoxicated or drunk? He was slurring and wasn't the normal Elliot you see on his other podcast...just listen for a few minutes it seems to progressively get worse and his mouth is dry... something is off at 5:16 minute mark it starts to become really noticeable
I'm trying to figure out how 2 rappers talking Sports affects his Lane at all when he does not cover Sports, so clearly, this is just a reason to b**** about something😂 they don't even talk about music and when they do is more given Jewels so what's the problem😅
Because it’s not about sports per se, it’s about journalism. They’re not experts in that field and he maybe feels slighted because he worked hard to be where he is, to be called a journalist. All they used was their name as rappers to propel themselves in that sphere and if I was Elliot I’d feel envy and hate too.
@OfteninLondon Envy and hate is a wasted energy when you can just recognize how things have shifted and move accordingly😅 and the rest of the interview he's talking about technically being jealous of others that have access that they have earned that he hasn't🤣
i think part of the problem is the audiences fault. Podcasting is for entertainment it’s not supposed to be a news source. The audience get podcasting and journalism mixed up and start trying to hold podcasters to the standard of journalistic integrity, & some of the actual journalists get written off as just looking for an entertaining viral moment as if they’re a podcaster.
If there wasn’t so much false and misleading information, I’d be fine with non-journalists reporting on topics. But, the lines are so blurred. We have to source credible and multiple outlets for information.
It sounds like Elliot is mad that there is competition in the space, because he feels like he is the best and shouldn’t have to compete with people outside of his field (journalism), but that’s just not the reality. You have to compete with everyone if you’re in the game. You can’t change up the rules, because you feel left behind you simply just have to go put in the work and become an undeniable force. Then you will actually be the best and any competition around you will only make you better. TLDR: sounds like a bunch of complaining instead of working to me.
Artists want a safe space. why talk to a journalist who may ask me questions and do research when I can go viral without risking people learning something about me I didn’t want them to know 🤷🏿♂️
As much as i respect Elliott, his griping is making him the crashout King. I do side with some of his take but just like radio got pissed when podcasting took over ( ie Howard Stern ) these platforms are not going anyway. One must evolve. Can't be a cassette being mad at digital. Adapt and grow.
After the bullshxt this year from Cam, Mase, Gillie, and others… I have to agree. Then again, Mal and Ak aren’t rappers and their bullshxt was even more bullshxt than the rappers 😅 I also have to agree with Elliott on the artist side. Too many of these artists rather go lay in the bed and talk about nothing with Bobby Althoff than to actually do a real sitdown within the culture. You don’t HAVE to. Kendrick doing the interview with SZA in the oldest fashion magazine in existence - currently run by a Black Woman was an epic move. But that’s not the same as doing some Bobby Althoff, Funny Marco, Qxc weird shxt or the trumper who fixed his mouth to tell Drake that HipHop is Dead. Even Kai Cenat is not really a good look for Culture. The way he went crazy on Killer Mike was embarrassing - Culturally. It’s not exactly new. JayZ, Eminem, Nas have all dissed the magazines, but, they’d go find someone they do rock with. Jays interviews with Elliott, Juan Epstein, Angie Martinez were good content. Even Kanyes interview at his house with Charlemagne. Real culture moments. These new interviews are done by Streamers… not interviewers or journalists or statesmen of the culture.
I almost disagree with Elliot on everything he says but I’m actually with him on this . I think he’s saying he hates non journalists who aren’t good at it . We don’t find out what we wanna know because an artist will honor the relationship OVER acquiring insight . There is an art to journalism
Elliott never states the obvious - it's not good for musicians to pretend their media because they never ask the hard questions because they want to make enemies of people who they could still potentially work with. On the flips side, so many of these rappers are crossing over because they lacked the talent to have long-term careers as rappers and they have no real-world job skills to make the kind of incomes they're used to. it's not like they can go apply at Boeing, Ford, Google, Meta, GE, etc., for a multi-million dollar a year VP exec job. To only be in your 40s and have ZERO job skills other than flapping your gums is depressing AF.😂
💭 I have no problem with people doing different things professionally... but I can say that a lot of them like; Cam, Mase, etc (and other people who's names I don't know.) have showed theirselves to be sellouts and lames!... (when it comes to rap, their words mean nothing anymore!) I know we don't all like the same things, but they are blatantly biased and dismissive.
What Elliot doesn’t get is that we don’t care if they’re professional journalists. Those 🥷’s are hilarious and highly entertaining. A lot of “journalists “ today are not only compromised but BORING.
12:59 this comment makes no sense. What he is implying is that a interviewer will ask the hard questions or be blunt about whatever happened. Where was this strategy when he had jayz up there after him signing with the nfl. He didn't give any push back to the crap jay was saying. Why...because he wants to pick and choose who he interrogate for the facts. Elliot been on some bs for yrs. He big mad cause nobody want to go to him for a interview. He has not advanced in his old ways of thinking. If Sway makes a call, more than likely everybody will go up there. When Funk flex need a freestyle (only), people gonna go up there. What do Elliot bring to the table now days? Visually nothing. XXL, the Source, etc. publications are dead. Cant hide behind a magazine no more. I dont like rory and mal, but I would watch them bias dudes b4 I would watch Elliot bias self. Elliot hating on cam and mase is crazy work. Sounds like the old guy that hates new music cause he was around in the 80's. Or the old guy hating on todays nba cause he seen Dr. J play, etc. etc
Eliot back doored Drake and gave Kendrick family matters 2 weeks before it dropped thinking it would guarantee friendship but Kendrick called him a rat to his face 😂 now he has nobody and just old and hating 😭😭
It seens people dont know what journalism is even so called journalists. Podcasters are just having conversations. They are doing reporting pr writing periodicals. People just keaous these rappers and athletes have access they dont have
Entertainment journalism is a easy job, all you do is set up a camera, ask a few questions and let the celebrity talk. Elliot is just mad that celebrity's have caught on and are now making alot of money off it. Don't nobody care that you was doing hip hop journalism before it became extremely lucrative Elliot, stop hating. If he was smart, he'd reach out to some of these platforms an offer to share some of his knowledge in exchange for some of their resources. Thats how you expand your network and grow your empire, not by hating on the next man.
I’d rather listen to an entertaining rapper who I can relate with, or love(d) their music talking about stuff, than I would to some journalist who means absolutely nothing to me. There is nothing that elliot wilson has done or talks about that interests me. At all
I just dont like when DUMB rappers become podcasters. The smart ones can grab a mic 😂
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That reading level 🤣
Facts
Most rappers are dumb .. especially the street ones
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What bothers me is Podcaster who don't research topics they discuss, form opinions and then present it as facts.
Exactly!!! And don't let them fall out with a celebrity... they'll blast all their tea so I'm 1000 with Elliott as it relates to these folks NOT being and should never be viewed/called journalists.
Lupe interview 😂 You were so patient but never want to watch that again
That's one interview that I wish was under different circumstances. His "Samurai" album was one of my favorites of 2024.
@CurtissKingTV I totally get it. I am looking forward to amazing things for you in 2025.
Lupe is a Legend but he just isn’t the same dude he once was. Ever since his fallout with Royce and his response you could see what time he is on now unfortunately..
@@nine27that lil pod they had for a minute was fun, Tom thought he had his come up, then………
Egos got in the way. But your onto something with “not the same dude”. He clearly can write exquisite bars but he’s way too in love with his own self. Maybe some time will have the scales fall off Lou’s eyes.
One can hope! He can rap skate and king fu better than 97% of us, but can’t find humility to save his life, $#!+s wild!
@nine27 yup, but the way he is now started before the Royce situation actually , at least from what ive noticed
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I don't want to know about their personal life. I want the music. It's easy to be a Beyonce and Kendrick fan because they speak through their art. I literally saw an interviewer ask Kendrick about his underwear like WTH
Yeah, some of those questions get weirdly personal for sure
Right. That parasocial shit is weird as hell. I don't care unless they are hurting others
Wth?!!
That mindset is on the way out.
The real problem is entitlement. Mainstream media wants to act li,e the celebrities need them when, in actuality, the celebrities are the product. Media needs the product more than the other way around. Podcasts and celebrities are cutting off dead weight and entitled unsolicited opinions from people who believe themselves to be more important than they actually are. Y'all are breaking their pockets.
Yeah. If you're an artist that can make music that your fans like, and your current approach works for you. Why should you care that elliot Wilson is hoping to bag an interview?
Exactly my these people are nad they cut out the middle nan
100%, what can one expect when all one did was be a glorified mouthpiece? Now you're just going around salty about the new generation of mouthpieces.
Considering who rory is sitting next to these points are interesting
You are saying out loud what we're all thinking 😂
Mal and akademics are busters
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Terrell Show on TH-cam is one of the most hospitable interviewers I've seen in a long time. His interviews feel like hugs
He's come a long way in media! And he's still evolving. He without a doubt had the best interview in 2024 with Katt
@CurtissKingTV Terell had an interview with Katt? I never knew that. I know Katt did Shannon Sharp, Mark Lamott Hill, and even Rogan, but I never saw him on Terell. Got a find that.
It’s like NBA players turning into the podcast space. Some are good. Some are not so good.
It's interesting that the first and only question Rory confessed to wanting to ask Kendrick is whether he thinks Drake's a pdf or not lmao. Current journalists and media personalities's interest in art and artist begins and ends with trivia and controversy. Heck, Rory and Mal feel like they're part of the beef and hold a bizarre and obssessive grudge towards an artist who might've never heard of them. Why would any artist waste their time of the day to entertain such buffoonery when regular fans are much more adept at dissecting and discussing their art than said journalists qnd critics?
Are Rory and Mal journalists, though?
Right, and nobody will ever convince him, how silly, low hanging fruit question that was.
Im 40 so i grew up in the 90s a die hard hip hop fan i collected The Source and XXL every month for years. I miss the connection with the artist you would see them on Rap City, read the articles hear them on the radio the singles would drop months before the album would you had ads that ran for months to get you pumped and built which made you connect more with your album and artist. We dont have that anymore they just randomly drop projects no pub no interview nothing so it dont stick. Great conversation we need more like this
It’s funny how hip hop has reached that point where retired rappers have podcasts the same way retired sports players become commentators. Rappers can relate to rappers makes for an interesting conversation. Hip hop interviewers started talking like they’re the gate keepers. They don’t ask interesting questions. They usually glaze rappers. Elliot’s interview with Tyler was boring.
I like the mixture of both because a traditional journalist typically will ask and dig a bit more on the tougher questions.
But I do really enjoy professional to professional conversations too because they can get into the nuances that me as fan I didnt even know I wanted to learn about.
@ hip hop interviews are pretty boring in general. They never talk about music. I haven’t watched any in a long time.
Boxers turn into boxing analysts all the time , same with nba players, why can’t rappers do it? Seems like the elite don’t want rappers to have more ownership and presence in the world
Because majority of these rappers don't have the skillset to interview, they lack integrity, their biases are evident, they never fact check, etc etc etc
Being a rap “analyst” is different from being a journalist. Totally different skill set. If you said boxing journalist, sports journalist, etc. I would have agreed with you.
Given that mase and cam had horrible takes on the Drake and Kendrick, Elliott is right!
So many entitled people man lol some artists just want to make their art and most of it speaks for itself. I can care less who my favorite artist speak to and do an interview with. People gona be mad whether they do or don’t.
The woman on the Rory and Mal podcast asked the right question, what is Elliot Wilson better at? because I don't enjoy anything that he does. Specifically, I've never learned more from an Elliot Wilson interview than what was said in a radio interview.
I like when artists interview other artists. I used to listen to Questlove Supreme podcast all the time, my favorite Vince Staples' interview is on Microphone Check podcast with Ali Shaheed Muhammad (from A Tribe Called Quest), and my favorite Tyler, The Creator interview are ones he conducted himself. (he also had a golf media radio show that was great) I'd rather watch Curtiss interview people (I learned so much from that impromptu Lupe conversation).
It seems like Elliot Wilson forgot that part of why artists stopped going to traditional media to be interviewed was because these so called "journalists" were being messy. There's a de-centering of celebrities going on right now, and to be quite honest, I am less interested in the mess "journalists" like to ask about. Plus artists don't have to do anything they don't want to do.
If Elliot wants to compete or whatever... he needs to conduct better interviews.
Great points!!! I think Elliott probably shined better when his work was in written form. His personality is not as engaging as his writing.
@TamiaPeach the stuff that I read is basic at best. Idk if he does it anymore, but he used to have a magazine called Respect. Nothing jumps out at me, but I'm open to being wrong.
@@FlyyScienceidk about Respecr, but I know he founded Rap Radar and was EIC for XXL Magazine way back when, and has written for other big names. I watched his recent interview with Mustard and I enjoyed that too. I think he just needs to be more optimistic instead of complaining. He’s contributed a lot to the culture and the industry.
I would like to see Drake sitting down and someone asking him if he really believes Kendrick beats his wife or that Kendrick’s son is for Dave Free? Why always questioning Kendrick?
Elliot is great in his journalist bag but he's seems to be struggling when finding his place in streaming. Sometimes he's serious Sometimes he plays villan fir ratings
Media in general has become content which is a huge part of the issue. a lot of these podcasters (not all but a lot) ask dumb questions not know anything or fan out and don't ask any real questions and the "journalists" try to make their name off of lies and BS and have become untrustworthy.
the fact that she had to say "its not about getting it right its about being entertaining" is the entire problem with all it.
Elliot just always sounds like he’s whining. And he always acts like he’s entitled to sit down with these artists. It’s corny
Exactly 💯
I hear him. It's like what Jon Bernthal is doing with "Real Ones". As a dope actor, he's interviewing other actors and bringing out their experience in a way no one has seen before. An actor getting into the mind of actors and articulating that experience. People who have that primary experience and can tell that story from the inside and outside.💯
You’re spot on! I said it years ago. Sports media has gotten out of hand with the clickbait takes. They talk like they’ve achieved what these athletes/rappers have achieved and talk down on them and expect them to just remain “professional”
Isn’t this the medias fault? Artists still go to Big Boi and some other hip hop interviews. Also, why go on an interview when they can just post something in their Instagram.
That's a valid point. Artists seem to prefer to go to places that feel more like talking to the homey vs feeling interrogated.
Keep doing ya Thang Curtis
Salute! Happy new year!
The most concerning part of this interview was his intoxication level, I believe that’s what inspired him to jump out the window on Cam and Mase
Curtis, I think artist across all forms of media, including music, sports or entertainment are getting to point they prefer telling their own stories and painting their own narratives instead of leaving it to the traditional journalists and gatekeepers who’s probably burned them throughout the years.
To the point of artist, interviewing artist, that’s what I want as a viewer. Nothing made me click a video faster when I saw cam interviewing 50 Cent that was must watch TH-cam.
Sounds like hate to me. Journalists have not adapted and he doesn’t want to adapt. Most celebs currently don’t want to do interviews. They don’t want to feel like they’re in court with the 3rd degree and you asking questions about things they don’t want to talk about. And even when they say they don’t want to talk about it, that brings up questions. He say, he don’t feel Drake or Kendrick is “ready” to talk about their beef, that’s why they haven’t. Have you not considered that they just “dont want” to talk about it. Sounds like he feels entitled to do interviews like someone owes him interviews cause he’s been around. Current times doesn’t say interviews are necessary and they can go talk to another celeb and have fun while talking, chillin, eating, laughing, going over memories and not worry about being put in a compromised position. Maybe them going this way allows them to show more of their character to the audience of who they are than sitting on a stand in your interview having to over think an answer and be cautious. Just saying, journalist are not above adapting. We have weathermen with TikTok channels dancing and all that now. even music has changed, sales have changed, producing have changed, writing have changed, people have changed and your job description has not, and to most, it currently doesnt fit with a lot of the current folks you want to talk to.
Artists not doing it because some of yall have yall own motives
I cant take no more of listening to a grown man complain about interviews he did not get, this is only gonna make people not want to sit down with you. Its not about being vulnerable not about saying the truth its a adult cry baby this shit is sad.😢
To the point about artists struggling to reach platforms and then doing content themselves, our platform was literally created because of lack of spaces for independent Hip Hop to be seen. This is a great topic. Kudos.
No matter what elliot straight hating. People like curtis or tcm or wayno or rob or elsie showing you can do it on youtube/social media and get interviews and great content elliot mad artists don’t HAVE to go through corporate media
I’m a leave yall with this…
We gotta stop calling everything “evolution”, just because time is passing while changes occurs.
What we are witnessing in todays time is a whole lot more things devolving if anything 🤷🏿♂️
Happy New Year's Curtis great job thank you🎉🎉🎉🎉😂🎉 awesome 😎😎
Happy New Year! And thank you!
So he talks about this ON a podcast that wouldn't exist without a rapper. HOW SWAY!??
This was great and needed , thanks Curtis !
I enjoyed the interview and reaction. Good points made on both sides Curtiss. But can you please add a couple more headshots into the rotation for the video thumbnails for 2025, please. lol
‼️‼️‼️WITH all due respect: I’m tired of seeing Elliott go everywhere and tell everybody why journalists are still needed. Go do some journalism that proves that you’re still needed‼️‼️‼️
ALSO without the gatekeeping of the industry and the need to make yourself known/marketable to the ignorant, artists are making themselves well-known through their social media following, live streams, etc.
Great video! Elliott sounds disgruntled. I get where he’s coming from, but he’s going to need to adapt to these changes.
Appreciate you! Happy New Year
@ Same to you Curtis!
Grateful I found you this year🎉 keep up the excellent work ❤
Elliot has to be down bad. He shouldn’t still be in the space competing with yall when he was once EOC for XXL. Gotta be funny convos at the dinner table. He’s reposting Meg twerking while his wife is doing documentaries on Luther for CNN..
What Elliot is missing is journalists had to pick a side. They want to have opinions now, make lists, give hot takes. You sacrifice that. Why would roc Marci sit down with Bdot after dropping 2 damn good projects and left off his list for Drake (who had his worst year) and JID who did features. Why sit down with them?
I'm enjoying YT channels who are artists breaking down music that interpret the bars that I'm listening to and helping me understand the culture!
Rappers can be Podcasters it's the Obnoxious and Immature behavior that's annoying.. It's not entertaining or interesting to me.
Rappers that big don't want to go sit on an interview just to find out the next day that they have inadvertently only given their opps a bunch of ammo that they shouldn't have given them, and that can now be used up against them. I am a Kendrick fan and his mystique is part of his allure and i wouldn't want him changing that. I don't care about anything Wilson or anyone else feel like they need to ask him 🤷🏽♂️
This! So on point!
The problem with the rappers becoming podcasters is.. they are gatekeepers and haters...
16:31 as I'm literally typing ctg 😂
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The problem with sports are the professionals are now looking for clicks. Gilbert Arenas comes to mind. Outlandish just to be outlandish.
What is in Elliott’s cup? Lol his speech sounds a lil slurred . He might be a lil lit
I appreciate u 4 acknowledging how as artist we have felt the same way about the invasion into our space by those who don’t care or have the dedication to the craft how we do. The same happened with engineering and dancing. I get Elliots approach is abrasive but his point is valid
He sounds drunk wtf 😂
Entertainers or devolving to being bad at interviews because 1. They don’t do interviews with journalist 2 . They don’t have the media training to do an interview with a real journalist anyway .
salute! See, you'll always get views from me because of your ability to critically think and be objective. Appreciate the content king!
I think Elliot is entitled and tired of adapting which might mean it's time to retire. That may sound harsh but I watch him on his platform with DJ head and Jeremy Hecht and Elliot has outright said he's more important than the rappers he used to interview 30 years ago because he outlived them. His lack of empathy and lack of in touchness are valid reasons why he doesn't have the audience to attract the talent that he's looking to interview. And ultimately no one owes him his shot. He's saying he's still in it and he wants a shot so he has to prove it by being the person who attracts the audience who attracts the artists. Obviously he has to do it in his own way but what he is complaining about is what all of these musicians that he supposedly outlived have been dealing with their entire career. Congratulations elliot, use it as an opportunity for growth
You had a interesting perspective I agree with. I think their will always be a space for the professionals that know the art of journalism & know how to formulate questions to get the great answers.
I also think their is a space for the celebs who are coming to the space leveraging their relationships. They may be able to get a more authentic interview from their peers but at times they ask the easiest questions we already knew the whole time.
Never touch Lupe cell phone
*Music* is also an essential pie slice of *Media* by the way *Curtiss* i say that just to remind you that you were MEANT to upload this *King* wether you are aware of it or not your *Music* or soul tie to such an art created a presence around you that in which welcomed those *Journalists* to surround you. *Music* IS that powerful and beautiful. You put me on game in areas I've yet to venture in whereas maybe I'm meant to hover nearby and not necessarily give back game yet instead relate in areas you've allowed to collect dust may that be because of life itself justifiably interfering for maturing purposes or your natural creativeness to continue flourishing upon this platform.
😂 For viewers like me, *Thank You*
Elliott complaint is valid, but it's also crazy because he's the last one to have the last big Drake exclusive interview. Yes it was years ago, but he sounds like he's hurt that he can't get that again, and he should really be unbotherwd by it and let Drake come to him.
Becuase eventually Drake will have to address this rap beef with Kendrick. He won't be able to avoid it.
That's why Drake is also ducking Ak. Although I don't care about Akademiks because he's compromised.
Drake will have to address this and he will need to speak to someone or do his own documentary that is rooted in truth, not this fictional foolishness he's currently doing with streamers.
lol😂 these takes are something else
My opinion is interviewing is just like testing .Some people interview well and some people don't .
At 'it is what it is', they hired Treasure Wilson to do the research... in terms of preparedness, she does a great job, then Cam'ron does his best to stay current and Mase last, Mase used to never know what's going on LOL but he's gotten better because the fans were calling him out on it
He sound DRUNK
I get both sides because the media has definitely changed. However, I think not interviewing artists doesn’t allow the true information to be taught as to how all this stuff really happens. This in turn creates the dumb artist because they think these people wake up rich and show up on streams eating cereal with popular streamers. We can do both fun & info at the same time.
The sitdown is overrated because the conversations are not authentically interesting. Also, there is an over saturation of less-than-talented content creators and old school journalists hating...within the space.
The art is the key but I do have an attachment to my fav artist b/c of who they appear to be from interviews or conversations.
Jay Nas Pac Beyonce Usher Kendrick Eminem Will Smith Denzel even Cardi B won me over b/c of who was online
all got buy it from me beyond the art they gave us but they built a connection which creates some loyalty. It allows u as a fan to be more invested in their growth and journey and not simply expect the same content from them u fell in love with.
This is all kinda emblematic of the times in a lot of ways and getting older makes this impossible for me to unsee.
In general, ART IS A WAY OF COMMUNICATING. Art is for the artist. It is NOT made for the patron or consumer. Therefore, the idea that a music artist must communicate via interview to EXPLAIN their art is ...silly on its face. Yet this is what we've been told to expect by our culture and society and by decades, if not centuries, of precedent. We expect artists to explain themselves.
And whats emblematic here is the very idea that language, text, talking ...this *particular format* is supposed to be used for EVERYTHING. Not so. It is in fact the reason we find it hard to understand one another today in ways that were never an issue even 2 decades ago. The reason for this is because TEXT is the preferred medium of the internet at every level. And MANY of you will say that images and video go against this point. Not so. They are all files on a computer composed exclusively of text.
Everything in todays world must be reducible to text in order for us to share it. And this is a frustrating place to be. We all feel it differently, but we all feel it.
Artists especially. Many of them dont want to sit with anyone, not just because of a lack of trust, but because they understand that the medium is the message. And they want to speak through their art.
None of this is devalue journalism -- its just a different medium. We cant expect artists to want to use that to communicate about their art.
EDIT: to add Elliot is right. People are just lonely in the 21st century. COVID hyper accelerated the movement to STRICTLY ONLINE communities. Mal and Rory saying ish like "ppl want to ppl they can relate to, they dont like journalism..." [paraphrasing]
I hate to say, but they must go outside and find this "relate to" thing in their own lives. Its not online, and no platform should be lying to them about that.
On Rory & Mal...ok. im out
Get emm!
Eliiott sounds crazy man. He said it on the JBP too.
I think the decade of breaking the media era.
Is that people are struggling with the concepts of
Professionalism- journalism
Artists- the content of music itself
Content creators- are mostly the public/ who may have a passion for something/ a gimmick to get attention to themselves/ fan of a piece of content
Business- The industry itself ( how it works/ the history/ the profit process/ the audience)
All these mechanisms take critical thinking and understanding how they support themselves in a specific structure.
The biggest challenge- Is social media being a interruption that has broken down the previous system
Where now in a situation where we need like before a definition of various platforms and values.
Opinion media has been destructive thus far. Because most of the time the audience doesn’t care to define opinion from entertainment or journalism .
Listening to all these different medias with different perspectives.
It’s growing pains for sure.
I do believe a lot of people should not have podcasts.
There are some good ones out there but the rest of them 😂
Would any of these people have been creating content without the music to talk about ! Because with the Kendrick vs drake thing the majority of it was people analysing the lyrics and music !!!!
I feel the same way when athletes want to be rappers. Respect to Shaq. Bloggers is Bloggers
did elliot come up with the freshmen issue?
Rory over here continuously proving that the only thing wrong with the Rory and Mal podcast is Mal.
This is why the Complex show with Joe, Ak, and Nadeska was great. They catered to most of the demographics. 🤷🏾♂️
I think it’s strangely ironic this conversation is a microcosm of what we saw in Kendrick and Drake battle … our impulse is to think society would like to hear more from “Drake” because of so many skews .. but because there was a shift caused by a different outcome (Kendrick being victorious) someone like Dochii can go on Tiny Desk and kill it .. wait so are we not thirsty for mumble rap anymore ? I think the consumer enjoys seeing artist interact in a candid way but I don’t care to see SZA interview Kendrick . The artist will prioritize the relationship OVER informing us of something new about the person
As an artist… what’s the ROI of doing a serious interview? Like you said most journalist suck and the youth ain’t watching a 3 hour interview bruh
Does anyone notice Elliot seemed intoxicated or drunk? He was slurring and wasn't the normal Elliot you see on his other podcast...just listen for a few minutes it seems to progressively get worse and his mouth is dry... something is off at 5:16 minute mark it starts to become really noticeable
I guess there’s a market for this, but I really don’t watch interviews, I rarely watch. I find them cringey.
A Cam and Mase hiphop podcast would be so bitter bitchy and jaded. Jaguar would probably be on every week to talk about Jay and Diddy.
I'm trying to figure out how 2 rappers talking Sports affects his Lane at all when he does not cover Sports, so clearly, this is just a reason to b**** about something😂 they don't even talk about music and when they do is more given Jewels so what's the problem😅
Because it’s not about sports per se, it’s about journalism. They’re not experts in that field and he maybe feels slighted because he worked hard to be where he is, to be called a journalist. All they used was their name as rappers to propel themselves in that sphere and if I was Elliot I’d feel envy and hate too.
@OfteninLondon Envy and hate is a wasted energy when you can just recognize how things have shifted and move accordingly😅 and the rest of the interview he's talking about technically being jealous of others that have access that they have earned that he hasn't🤣
i think part of the problem is the audiences fault. Podcasting is for entertainment it’s not supposed to be a news source. The audience get podcasting and journalism mixed up and start trying to hold podcasters to the standard of journalistic integrity, & some of the actual journalists get written off as just looking for an entertaining viral moment as if they’re a podcaster.
Bro looking fresh to be 40
If there wasn’t so much false and misleading information, I’d be fine with non-journalists reporting on topics. But, the lines are so blurred. We have to source credible and multiple outlets for information.
It sounds like Elliot is mad that there is competition in the space, because he feels like he is the best and shouldn’t have to compete with people outside of his field (journalism), but that’s just not the reality. You have to compete with everyone if you’re in the game. You can’t change up the rules, because you feel left behind you simply just have to go put in the work and become an undeniable force. Then you will actually be the best and any competition around you will only make you better.
TLDR: sounds like a bunch of complaining instead of working to me.
Artists want a safe space. why talk to a journalist who may ask me questions and do research when I can go viral without risking people learning something about me I didn’t want them to know 🤷🏿♂️
As much as i respect Elliott, his griping is making him the crashout King. I do side with some of his take but just like radio got pissed when podcasting took over ( ie Howard Stern ) these platforms are not going anyway. One must evolve. Can't be a cassette being mad at digital. Adapt and grow.
So many people to worried about what others are doing. Elliot needs to focus on going easy on the 🍷 wine and focusing on doing better content.
After the bullshxt this year from Cam, Mase, Gillie, and others… I have to agree. Then again, Mal and Ak aren’t rappers and their bullshxt was even more bullshxt than the rappers 😅 I also have to agree with Elliott on the artist side. Too many of these artists rather go lay in the bed and talk about nothing with Bobby Althoff than to actually do a real sitdown within the culture. You don’t HAVE to. Kendrick doing the interview with SZA in the oldest fashion magazine in existence - currently run by a Black Woman was an epic move. But that’s not the same as doing some Bobby Althoff, Funny Marco, Qxc weird shxt or the trumper who fixed his mouth to tell Drake that HipHop is Dead. Even Kai Cenat is not really a good look for Culture. The way he went crazy on Killer Mike was embarrassing - Culturally. It’s not exactly new. JayZ, Eminem, Nas have all dissed the magazines, but, they’d go find someone they do rock with. Jays interviews with Elliott, Juan Epstein, Angie Martinez were good content. Even Kanyes interview at his house with Charlemagne. Real culture moments. These new interviews are done by Streamers… not interviewers or journalists or statesmen of the culture.
I almost disagree with Elliot on everything he says but I’m actually with him on this . I think he’s saying he hates non journalists who aren’t good at it . We don’t find out what we wanna know because an artist will honor the relationship OVER acquiring insight . There is an art to journalism
Elliott never states the obvious - it's not good for musicians to pretend their media because they never ask the hard questions because they want to make enemies of people who they could still potentially work with. On the flips side, so many of these rappers are crossing over because they lacked the talent to have long-term careers as rappers and they have no real-world job skills to make the kind of incomes they're used to. it's not like they can go apply at Boeing, Ford, Google, Meta, GE, etc., for a multi-million dollar a year VP exec job. To only be in your 40s and have ZERO job skills other than flapping your gums is depressing AF.😂
💭 I have no problem with people doing different things professionally... but I can say that a lot of them like; Cam, Mase, etc (and other people who's names I don't know.) have showed theirselves to be sellouts and lames!... (when it comes to rap, their words mean nothing anymore!) I know we don't all like the same things, but they are blatantly biased and dismissive.
What Elliot doesn’t get is that we don’t care if they’re professional journalists. Those 🥷’s are hilarious and highly entertaining. A lot of “journalists “ today are not only compromised but BORING.
12:59 this comment makes no sense. What he is implying is that a interviewer will ask the hard questions or be blunt about whatever happened. Where was this strategy when he had jayz up there after him signing with the nfl. He didn't give any push back to the crap jay was saying. Why...because he wants to pick and choose who he interrogate for the facts. Elliot been on some bs for yrs. He big mad cause nobody want to go to him for a interview. He has not advanced in his old ways of thinking. If Sway makes a call, more than likely everybody will go up there. When Funk flex need a freestyle (only), people gonna go up there. What do Elliot bring to the table now days? Visually nothing. XXL, the Source, etc. publications are dead. Cant hide behind a magazine no more. I dont like rory and mal, but I would watch them bias dudes b4 I would watch Elliot bias self. Elliot hating on cam and mase is crazy work. Sounds like the old guy that hates new music cause he was around in the 80's. Or the old guy hating on todays nba cause he seen Dr. J play, etc. etc
Kendrick said all he needed to say on wacced out murals. Cole also said what he needed to say with his podcast. If you missed it, a must watch😅😊😅
Rappers becoming podcasters is okay. Its a problem when they pretend to be journalists.
Eliot back doored Drake and gave Kendrick family matters 2 weeks before it dropped thinking it would guarantee friendship but Kendrick called him a rat to his face 😂 now he has nobody and just old and hating 😭😭
It seens people dont know what journalism is even so called journalists. Podcasters are just having conversations. They are doing reporting pr writing periodicals. People just keaous these rappers and athletes have access they dont have
Imagine that
Entertainment journalism is a easy job, all you do is set up a camera, ask a few questions and let the celebrity talk. Elliot is just mad that celebrity's have caught on and are now making alot of money off it. Don't nobody care that you was doing hip hop journalism before it became extremely lucrative Elliot, stop hating. If he was smart, he'd reach out to some of these platforms an offer to share some of his knowledge in exchange for some of their resources. Thats how you expand your network and grow your empire, not by hating on the next man.
He mad ppl doin they job better than them 😂
I’d rather listen to an entertaining rapper who I can relate with, or love(d) their music talking about stuff, than I would to some journalist who means absolutely nothing to me. There is nothing that elliot wilson has done or talks about that interests me. At all