The episode titled "Traitor" was very devastating to me. Connie, who had to look at a lot of his close friends turn "traitors" Annie, Reiner, Bertholdt, Eren, being put in a scenario where he was seen as a traitor was sad. In case u dont remember Daz was the one guy Historia saved in the snow flashback and Sammuel was the one Sasha saved by throwing the ODM in his foot when he was falling of the wall back when Colossal atked the 2nd time in episode 5. So they were close friends that were together with them ever since trainee days and he had to shot them in the face to be able to have a chance to "save the world" from his other friend. Like the whole thing is just sad and the VA for Connie rly sells it at the end of that episode. (it also brings back Bertholdt's speech in season 2 full circle)
I love how Jean, in S1, couldn’t stop talking about joining the MP. He was selfish yes but also realistic in wanting to preserve his own life and future by living in the interior. Now he’s telling his Commander, “Hange-san, I will forever be a scout.” Jean is the emblem of the younger scouts, following in the footsteps of Captain Levi and Commander Hange. No he’s not perfect. Yes he almost killed Falco to get to the cart titan (sweat Falco doesn’t take it personally). He may be more self-less and more self-sacrificing (he’s literally directly saved all of our female cast except for Historia and Annie), but he’s still kind of biting and a little snarky at times. In terms of Reiner just letting Jean beat him - Reiner is finally getting what he’s wanted this whole time: judgment. He really didn’t get it from Eren as Eren said that they were the same. He got it from Jean’s anger. Speaking of the two of them, in one interview Isayama-san was asked who his favorite character was and he blurted out Jean. But then he changed his mind right then and there and said wait, it’s Reiner 😂 37:00 And now you’re just pitting the two Ackermans against the two Jaeger brothers here
I was so confused when Erin said “I will destroy the world!” when he fought Annie at the end of Season 1… Until I got to season 4, then it all made sense.
Rewatching season 1, a lot of Eren’s decisions are foreshadowed in many episodes. I can’t remember the specific one somewhere in episodes 15-21 he is remembering a conversation about making hard decisions and when Erwin has everyone around the forest and the female titan is trying to get Eren they talk about trusting yourself vs the people you are fighting with…that conversation actually settled some season 4 questions I had haha. Also in that same few episodes, he mourns that all those men were dying to the female titan when they were on horseback running and he was debating to turn titan or not
I love how Jean remembers Marco while telling Hange that “I’m forever a scout” 🥺 I live how every dead character still is remembered by our cast, no one gets forgotten cause they all were influenced by each other
I'm motivated by two moments in the show in particular when thinking about Ymir's influence on Eren prior to him entering the paths, and what Eren's interaction in the paths means for Ymir. First, recall our original description of Ymir's death (I think in Grisha's telling of his backstory) was something like, her spirit was split into the nine titans. Second, when Grisha confronts the Reiss family and takes the Founding titan, he says more or less, in every generation the Attack titan has always defied the King's hubris -or whatever. Anyway, the point is, the Attack titan represents Ymir's fundamental urge to defy her master, and probably why Eren is so compelled towards freedom in the first place. So, while I don't know how it is in the Japanese, in the English subtitles, Eren doesn't command Ymir, he asks her to lend him her power. Then, when he sees her memories, I think he becomes fully aware of her ensnarement. She is a slave in body and spirit, and her body has long since been destroyed. I don't know if Isayma has a head full of German idealist philosophy, but it's very contemporary to the real world analogue of the world within the walls from the start of the show. There's a dialectical relationship here where Ymir can only gain freedom and self-conciousness through recognition. The reality of this is the person attempting to recognise the other, has to sacrifice their freedom in some way, in order for the recognition of the freedom of the other person. So my view is that Eren does not choose to destroy the world, but he did wish it long ago. He told Ymir he would basically do as she wished. I did my best to keep this brief, I hope it makes sense.
You have an interesting view of Eren, I’d say that he’s probably one of the most challenging characters to understand cause he’s so conflicting and it makes us wonder what really is going on in his head lol
My view is that many things open to interpretation near the end, have been answered earlier in the show. Usually through lessons learned from other characters. The way he acts in the final season is all built on the examples of others and outcomes of circumstances where the dialogue could literally be used to interpret some ambiguity near the end.
[Not spoiler] 6:25 I believe the Attack Titan (AT) was born from that Ymir's desire for freedom and every AT shifter had the very same feeling and the capacity to pay whatever price for that culminating on Eren finally combining AT and Founding Titan therefore freeing her and the world from the titan plague.
You forgot something really important. It's Eren who built his own personnality in the past. Of course he is unslaved to his fate, but he is the one who wrote his own fate, with the power of the Attack Titan. Eren manipulated himself. It's not exactly that he is influenced by futur. It's him who influenced him in the past so that he can become what he will become.
She hasn’t seen the finale when she made this video. Most people didn’t know that Eren was responsible for his own upbringing at this point in the story
@@MyToastyToast It's the logical consequences of his powers. There are nothing else to reveal and the end reveal nothing else about that particular point. It was revealed when we learned about the Attack Titan powers. People just lack the logic to understand the power of the Attack Titan that's all. How it work is revealing that Eren was influenced by himself, and influenced all the Attack Titans before him. It's the logical conclusion of it. And nothing else will be revealed about that in the end, since it was already revealed. It's his ideology that wrote the ideology of the Attack Titan. And this is not revealed in the end. It's just how the Attack Titan power are that's all. It's not my fault if a lot of people don't understand the basic concept of it.
I think you should make a separate video with your thoughts about the decisions of our "protagonists" in this case the same reflection that Armin has, now we are Bertold sweeping away our friends for a "greater cause", maybe a little at the beginning but then it's killing spreed without any remorse, so they do have the right to eliminate everything in their path to achieve their goal? and that's okay?
Congratulations for making it to the end. There are a lot of highlights for me in these last normal episodes. 1. Connie having to kill Daz and Samuel while Bertholdt's voice echoes in the background 2. Jean having to stand up against Magath in the camp fire. It always nails the idea to me that the threat of Paradis would not have come to fruition had Marley not tried to steal the Coordinate. 3. The last fun moment they had with the refugees, the last time we see Eren smile while the beautiful Len Zo Hi 97210 Kyosetsu Mahle score was playing. In case you decide to do a private rewatch, highly recommend you include Ilse's Notebook since you love Hange so much. Not sure if you were already able to watch Levi's No Regrets. There's also the Jean-centric, anime trope-ish OVA: A Sudden Visitor if you like to see more of Jean's character. Also the Lost Girls episodes with Annie and Mikasa. But the Mikasa's episode is a mine full of Easter eggs and foreshadowings. Highly recommend that one too...
Free will really doesn't exist tho. It's like, there no true random in our universe, and what we see as chaos is just really complicated math. If you can compute massive about of data, you can basically create a new universe. Or, you can make dream of traveling back through time just to live through your life again.
I think Pixis knew of that idea because it is a part of the First King’s philosophy. When you look at the ways the Walls were governed, you start to notice how taking people’s memories and being “ruled by the titans” was in service to making a “paradise” via turning everyone’s hate against a larger enemy. But I would argue that this was shown to not be effective with the conflict we see in even in the Walls.
Free will doesn't exist in AoT. It's a deterministic world. That's established as early on as in episode 1 with Eren's precognitive vision of the future. If Eren can see the future and the future happens just as he saw it, then it's not just a matter of him not having free will - it's a matter of the AoT universe operating under material determinism, and that's the tragedy of Eren. He's a naive child whose highest ideal is literally and metaphysically impossible in his universe. You can also trace Eren's remorseless killing of those who impose on freedom predating him gaining the titan or Armin showing him the book. We're shown this when he kills Mikasa's kidnappers as a child, and explains his reasoning to his father.
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Remember when the show was just “ahh, big scary monster, time to fly around”
well, that dialogue bubble fits the finale...
Seems like the day Eren woke up next to the tree crying from memories of the future, his path was set
We need more Jean Kirstein love and appreciation honestly
The episode titled "Traitor" was very devastating to me. Connie, who had to look at a lot of his close friends turn "traitors" Annie, Reiner, Bertholdt, Eren, being put in a scenario where he was seen as a traitor was sad. In case u dont remember Daz was the one guy Historia saved in the snow flashback and Sammuel was the one Sasha saved by throwing the ODM in his foot when he was falling of the wall back when Colossal atked the 2nd time in episode 5. So they were close friends that were together with them ever since trainee days and he had to shot them in the face to be able to have a chance to "save the world" from his other friend. Like the whole thing is just sad and the VA for Connie rly sells it at the end of that episode. (it also brings back Bertholdt's speech in season 2 full circle)
I love how Jean, in S1, couldn’t stop talking about joining the MP. He was selfish yes but also realistic in wanting to preserve his own life and future by living in the interior. Now he’s telling his Commander, “Hange-san, I will forever be a scout.” Jean is the emblem of the younger scouts, following in the footsteps of Captain Levi and Commander Hange. No he’s not perfect. Yes he almost killed Falco to get to the cart titan (sweat Falco doesn’t take it personally). He may be more self-less and more self-sacrificing (he’s literally directly saved all of our female cast except for Historia and Annie), but he’s still kind of biting and a little snarky at times.
In terms of Reiner just letting Jean beat him - Reiner is finally getting what he’s wanted this whole time: judgment. He really didn’t get it from Eren as Eren said that they were the same. He got it from Jean’s anger. Speaking of the two of them, in one interview Isayama-san was asked who his favorite character was and he blurted out Jean. But then he changed his mind right then and there and said wait, it’s Reiner 😂
37:00 And now you’re just pitting the two Ackermans against the two Jaeger brothers here
I can't believe you completely skip Connie murdering his friends in discussion haha
to be fair, so much happened in this second half so it's understandable that she forgot about it haha
I was so confused when Erin said “I will destroy the world!” when he fought Annie at the end of Season 1… Until I got to season 4, then it all made sense.
Rewatching season 1, a lot of Eren’s decisions are foreshadowed in many episodes. I can’t remember the specific one somewhere in episodes 15-21 he is remembering a conversation about making hard decisions and when Erwin has everyone around the forest and the female titan is trying to get Eren they talk about trusting yourself vs the people you are fighting with…that conversation actually settled some season 4 questions I had haha. Also in that same few episodes, he mourns that all those men were dying to the female titan when they were on horseback running and he was debating to turn titan or not
I love how Jean remembers Marco while telling Hange that “I’m forever a scout” 🥺 I live how every dead character still is remembered by our cast, no one gets forgotten cause they all were influenced by each other
You can see Eren’s remorse for the people killed during his breakdown at the chapel in season 3.
I'm motivated by two moments in the show in particular when thinking about Ymir's influence on Eren prior to him entering the paths, and what Eren's interaction in the paths means for Ymir. First, recall our original description of Ymir's death (I think in Grisha's telling of his backstory) was something like, her spirit was split into the nine titans. Second, when Grisha confronts the Reiss family and takes the Founding titan, he says more or less, in every generation the Attack titan has always defied the King's hubris -or whatever. Anyway, the point is, the Attack titan represents Ymir's fundamental urge to defy her master, and probably why Eren is so compelled towards freedom in the first place.
So, while I don't know how it is in the Japanese, in the English subtitles, Eren doesn't command Ymir, he asks her to lend him her power. Then, when he sees her memories, I think he becomes fully aware of her ensnarement. She is a slave in body and spirit, and her body has long since been destroyed. I don't know if Isayma has a head full of German idealist philosophy, but it's very contemporary to the real world analogue of the world within the walls from the start of the show. There's a dialectical relationship here where Ymir can only gain freedom and self-conciousness through recognition. The reality of this is the person attempting to recognise the other, has to sacrifice their freedom in some way, in order for the recognition of the freedom of the other person. So my view is that Eren does not choose to destroy the world, but he did wish it long ago. He told Ymir he would basically do as she wished. I did my best to keep this brief, I hope it makes sense.
Jean is my absolute favorite character!
You have an interesting view of Eren, I’d say that he’s probably one of the most challenging characters to understand cause he’s so conflicting and it makes us wonder what really is going on in his head lol
My view is that many things open to interpretation near the end, have been answered earlier in the show. Usually through lessons learned from other characters. The way he acts in the final season is all built on the examples of others and outcomes of circumstances where the dialogue could literally be used to interpret some ambiguity near the end.
I love watching her piece together things the community theory crafted together
This anime is Special
I started watching AoT when the first season was airing (2013), so yeah, talk about waiting for the conclusion >
[Not spoiler] 6:25 I believe the Attack Titan (AT) was born from that Ymir's desire for freedom and every AT shifter had the very same feeling and the capacity to pay whatever price for that culminating on Eren finally combining AT and Founding Titan therefore freeing her and the world from the titan plague.
Hold on to that free will 😉
You forgot something really important. It's Eren who built his own personnality in the past. Of course he is unslaved to his fate, but he is the one who wrote his own fate, with the power of the Attack Titan. Eren manipulated himself. It's not exactly that he is influenced by futur. It's him who influenced him in the past so that he can become what he will become.
She hasn’t seen the finale when she made this video. Most people didn’t know that Eren was responsible for his own upbringing at this point in the story
@@MyToastyToast It's the logical consequences of his powers. There are nothing else to reveal and the end reveal nothing else about that particular point. It was revealed when we learned about the Attack Titan powers. People just lack the logic to understand the power of the Attack Titan that's all. How it work is revealing that Eren was influenced by himself, and influenced all the Attack Titans before him. It's the logical conclusion of it. And nothing else will be revealed about that in the end, since it was already revealed. It's his ideology that wrote the ideology of the Attack Titan. And this is not revealed in the end. It's just how the Attack Titan power are that's all. It's not my fault if a lot of people don't understand the basic concept of it.
I think you should make a separate video with your thoughts about the decisions of our "protagonists" in this case the same reflection that Armin has, now we are Bertold sweeping away our friends for a "greater cause", maybe a little at the beginning but then it's killing spreed without any remorse, so they do have the right to eliminate everything in their path to achieve their goal? and that's okay?
Congratulations for making it to the end. There are a lot of highlights for me in these last normal episodes.
1. Connie having to kill Daz and Samuel while Bertholdt's voice echoes in the background
2. Jean having to stand up against Magath in the camp fire. It always nails the idea to me that the threat of Paradis would not have come to fruition had Marley not tried to steal the Coordinate.
3. The last fun moment they had with the refugees, the last time we see Eren smile while the beautiful Len Zo Hi 97210 Kyosetsu Mahle score was playing.
In case you decide to do a private rewatch, highly recommend you include Ilse's Notebook since you love Hange so much. Not sure if you were already able to watch Levi's No Regrets. There's also the Jean-centric, anime trope-ish OVA: A Sudden Visitor if you like to see more of Jean's character. Also the Lost Girls episodes with Annie and Mikasa. But the Mikasa's episode is a mine full of Easter eggs and foreshadowings. Highly recommend that one too...
13:02 aren't those from the last episode?
Yeah I'm startled by that pic lol 😂 Google is not safe lady!
Maybe she has already watched it?
Almost there
Free will really doesn't exist tho.
It's like, there no true random in our universe, and what we see as chaos is just really complicated math. If you can compute massive about of data, you can basically create a new universe. Or, you can make dream of traveling back through time just to live through your life again.
I think Pixis knew of that idea because it is a part of the First King’s philosophy.
When you look at the ways the Walls were governed, you start to notice how taking people’s memories and being “ruled by the titans” was in service to making a “paradise” via turning everyone’s hate against a larger enemy.
But I would argue that this was shown to not be effective with the conflict we see in even in the Walls.
“When did it all begin? It doesn’t matter. Everything happened by my will. Everything…comes after this.”
But Eren is who he's always been! I know it's too late, but these videos are unsafe for me. Every two minutes I want to write a short essay.
Free will doesn't exist in AoT. It's a deterministic world. That's established as early on as in episode 1 with Eren's precognitive vision of the future. If Eren can see the future and the future happens just as he saw it, then it's not just a matter of him not having free will - it's a matter of the AoT universe operating under material determinism, and that's the tragedy of Eren. He's a naive child whose highest ideal is literally and metaphysically impossible in his universe.
You can also trace Eren's remorseless killing of those who impose on freedom predating him gaining the titan or Armin showing him the book. We're shown this when he kills Mikasa's kidnappers as a child, and explains his reasoning to his father.