I can describe to you what the visual test would look like….. (zoomed in on hook) number go up….snap, repeat 4 more times. He visually showed how to tie the knots, which is still helpful….Watching all 5 snap, is redundant and not needed over the actual numbers.
I’ve been fishing for over 40 years and have tried all these knots through trials on the water. I got the same results you explained in less than 5 minutes. Well done!
I learned the improved clinch when I was a kid. I didn’t even know that was its name. Somebody showed me how to tie it, and that was the knot I used until I was in my 30s. I’m 68 now, and worked in a tackle shop after I retired and learned serval other knots, like the dropper loop to make pompano rigs. I still primarily use the improved clinch, but the palomar is great when you can pass the loop over your terminal tackle. I really appreciate how quickly you got to the point in this video, and have subscribed.
Palomar is great, but that little loop part of the line ,ALWAYS, Wants to hang back and ketch, wrap itself ner the eyelet or eyelet swivel ect. You have to block off its sneaky double back, lol.
I have used the improved clinch knot exclusively for ages; I know people love the palomar, but at this point, I can pretty much tie the ICK with my eyes closed, so I have no intentions of changing, at least not for such a small improvement in strength. It has never failed me.
Me too. There's this trick I do to it so its harder to slip out. I heat a small part of the end of the leader where you cut ( once the knot is done) with my lighter and push it so it becomes a small hard ball of flourcarbon that is harder to pass throught the knot just in case its thinking of slipping. Ive been doing it for ages and dont remember if I made it up or saw it somewhere but ive never heard of anyone else doing it. I also rub crazy glue on my fg knots to make em like carbon fiber 😂
Palomar works good on braided line to a hook but it seems to break inside the knot on larger fish like big snook,reds or tarpon on florocarbon. I happened to see a TH-cam video of Shaw Grigsby talking about him testing every knot on florocarbon specifically and the strongest was what he showed on the video that another pro angler taught him how to tie. He didn't know the name of the knot back in 2010 ish when the video was recorded. In the comment section years later when I rewatched the video I saw where people were saying it was a double pitzen knot. I've never had this knot fail on florocarbon. There's a double San Diego jam knot that's very similar to the double pitzen knot with the exception it has an extra loop for the tag ends to go thru. I haven't got to try it yet. Anyway the DPK is as easy to tie as the Palomar. It was only an issue with really big fish.
Love it. I switched to the palamar knot a couple of years ago from the improved clinch and have taught it to all my kids for ease of tying. Was nice to see it perform so well in testing. In my experience of using it I lose less lures in the cast and don’t have the obvious knot failure from the clinch days. Thanks
My dad taught me the palomar before I started fishing. He grew up on a Farm in Mexico and used the palomar for farm animals and ranch work! Not surprised! Thanks Dad! Rest In Peace!
lol Palomar for farm animals….how? Literally one of the only knots NOT usable in that scenario lol. Bowlines, clove hitches, anchor hitches, sheep hitches, stopper knots with clove hitch…..all for farm animals….but a palomar lul. You get that bill to jump through the loop!
I started using the Palomar 4 or 5 years ago, and haven't had one fail yet! Usually fishing saltwater for drum. But shark are always abundant so its not like I haven't had a chance or two to really crank on the knot. The few times I lost fish were from straightened out hooks or a 75+lb stingray. For ease of tying and for a solid engagement to your gear, I like it!
Just started using Palomar knot for hooks and am impressed. This video also gives confidence. Double uni for connecting lines, pretty damn strong, in my opinion. Improved clinch is a go to for me with bottom walkers.
Palomar for all braid. improved clinch for regualr mono to swivel or lures. Egg loop for bait. Uni to uni for line to line (yes there are stronger and thinner knots but this is easy to tie and hasnt failed me yet.). Those are the 4 i use regularly.
I use a hybrid clinch knot - when I pass the tag end through the loop in the line, I also pass it back through the eye of the hook. Then, cinch down tight, but not as hard as you can; you want the knot to have JUST a little give so it can tighten more on a big fish instead of snapping your line.
Fantastic video for my time..... you've taught me what the knot is I've used all my life, "Improved clinch". I fell out of fishing about 12 yrs ago after some things happened & then all my gear was stolen. I've never got going again but I might now. Not sure where to start w/ all the rod/reel choices but I know my knot & I think I'll try the palomar when I get going again. peace
Agreed also not all line is equal eg supple vs fluorocarbon. My suggestion is always test your line and knots before you go fishing. So you have real confidence in your gear.
Is that for optimal breaking strength or to stop it from slipping? I use 5 wraps for 10-130# braid, 4 wraps for 6-10 and 40#+ mono & fluoro, 5 wraps for 12-30# mono & fluoro with excellent results but certainly open to improvement!
I’ve had a few hogs break my uni knot, it was from top water strikes both on Berkeley choppers disrupting the top water. Top water strikes are so insane I ended up getting a bait caster finally with some 30 on braid I’m hoping that’ll be my ticket to securing that giant top water fish, do not even think about trying to fish top water with anything less than 20lb braid and especially if your using a spinning combo just stick to finesse.
I’d love to see this test on mono and braid up to 150 lb test. I’m sure the knot strength will vary dependent on line thickness. it would be interesting to see. Thanks for the video.
@@larrytrickett9115 Palomar in big diameter mono or even worst, fluoro isn't and option (unluckly) cause It wont tight correctly because the rigidity of the line, I tried on a 0.70mm fluoro but It doesn't work, I think in bigger moni the best Is the improved clinch or the uni knot
I was a Palomar knot guy for years, and still will when tying direct to braid or flouro less than 8lb. I started using a uni knot in 2010 when I began my braid to leader journey and it hasn’t let me down.
Same here. Palomar is not reliable for larger mono and fluoro. I use the uni for every line and the double uni for every line to line type including fly line to micro leaders.
@@BG-bx4ey I don’t use the uni to uni anymore for leaders, whenever I was snagged or broke the line off it would fail at the leader knot 100% of the time. I switched to an fg knot for leaders, it never fails.
@@SpiraljamI just learned the FG, songs haven't tested it myself, but I had many uni-uni knots fail. I switched to Albright knots, and had a much better time if it, with the benefit o it passing easily through the eye on a cast, out needed
I picked up fishing in the 90s from my cousin. Only used spade hooks at the start (eyed hooks just weren't a thing where I grew up, so I snelled everything, and I still do). Never lost a hook due to the knot breaking or coming undone (when tied correctly). Guess it's one of those things where you just do whatever has been working for you. I'm not even sure where it ranks in strength compared to these, as long as it works.
I grew up tying the Trilene knot (A version of the improved clinch knot) and now that my eyes can no longer find the holes, the Palomar or the Miller knot are my go-to knots.
Been using the Kentucky rig for catfish and red drum fishing and it pays off. Improved clinch from 20lb leader to swivel t-knot to a 40lb hook line to keep that hook line from getting tangled to leader, using a piece of stir straw does the trick and a figure 8 knot at both remaining ends completes that Kentucky rig.
Just like many other's here in the comment section, such a boost of confidence hearing the Palomar came in at #1 My dad taught me the Palomar knot when I was 9 or 10 (I'm now 36) and it's the only fishing knot I've tied in my entire life. Thanks for the testing 💪
After recently picking up fishing again from when I was a kid, I've been using the Palomar for small lures and hooks, and the improved clinch for setups which require passing through bulky items which can be a pain with the Palomar. Since learning these two knots, I have not lost a single lure or hook on a fish or snag, and from experience alone, they are much stronger than the standard clinch.
It's gonna depend on how heavy line your using. On thicker braid lines (0.28++) the uni knot is a lot stronger than the palomar. Like 25-40%. Always a good idea to look up knot strengths for different types of lines and thickness, and not rely on 1 test on 1 type of line and thickness.
First knot I learned to tie was the uni and have never had a problem with it. The other two might be considered better but if it isn’t broke I don’t see the need to fix it
With any knot, especially the uni knot, it is extremely important how you tie it. You have to close the knot almost completely up the line and then gently slide the knot GENTLY towards the hook, lure swivel before you close it. Use enough water or spit and test it with your hands. So don’t just jank on the line to close the knot, because you will damage the line.
The knot I grew up with was the improved clinch. It's still my go to knot in a lot of cases because it's easy to tie, and I have trouble tying much else with the light line I use on my ultralight and light action rods. Although I do use a Trilene knot on my ultralight and light action setups sometimes. I'm going to start trying to use a Palomar knot when I can. But I'll probably stick with the improved clinch and Trilene knots some of the time.
No surprises to me. I just find the improved clinch easiest to tie (but I’ve been using it for over 60 years so…). What really did surprise me was that the 12# line broke consistently at 75% of the rated strength!
When I first seen the Palomar knot, I loved it bc it was super easy, I never knew till this video it's the strongest knot on the board, I tied this knot 2 hours ago and I love it!!
I've been using nothing but an Improved Clinch Knot for 56 years and it's never failed me. I will use other knots when I need more wobble in a Crankbaits or something.
Personally I’ve never had good luck with the polamar knot. I would always break off but I’ve always done really good with the improved clinch knot. Plus it’s a skinner knot than the polar knot which helps a lot when your lure is coming through grass and gunk.
I have heard it said that you have to be very careful using the Palomar knot on fluorocarbon line. The theory is that if you go to cinch it down and do not separate the lines in the loop correctly (apparently a lot of people don't) the knot will cut the line under pressure from a fish pulling on it. Supposedly it does not have this problem with braid and mono.
I can vouch for this… when a large largemouth pulls hard and fast I’ve had the palomar fail at the knot almost instantly. I think I’m gonna switch to the uni for consistency and simplicity.
I use the palomar when tying to a hook, jighead type hooks and use the uni on larger lures like a a double spinner or buzzbait then go with the double uni when tying a leader to braid.
Results comport with my experience, thank you for the review. Personally, I think it is the two loops through the eye that make the Palomar so strong. I also think that's what makes the Trilene and Improved Trilene so strong, too.
My grandfather taught me the improved clinch when i was about 5 or 6 fishing with him so id tie my own and not take up all his fishing time lol. Been my go to for most applications through the years. Of course ive added some others but that one will always be my first choice when applicable.
The improved cinch was ok when we all used monofilament, but I switched to the palomar knot as a necessity when hybrid lines came along. It’s a simple knot to tie if we remember not to twist the loop and to wet before pulling. Nice concise video. I’ll take the testing on trust.
I used the Palomar knot on braided line for many years, but avoided it on mono until this summer. Thicker monofilament lines do not lock down well on complex multi-turn knots, though they will tie well on light lines. I lost a good fish on an improved clinch knot with 15 lb line that slipped on a good barbel, and will only use Palomar now.
I'm always surprised when someone doesn't use a Palomar knot for most of their fishing needs, given how easy it is to learn and tie. The strength of it is more of a fringe benefit, but well worth knowing about.
I feel like the uni is the simplest and most versatile. You don't have to pass anything thru the loop, so large baits, leaders, etc are easier to tie that way. Also, if you know 1 uni, you know 2, so you have an excellent line to line knot too. I have had putiful results with mono and fluorocarbon with the palomar, but watching this makes me consider user error more.
Anyone that has ever hooked themselves with a long jerkbait or big crankbait while trying to pass the loop over it to tie that stupid palomar knot will almost immediately swear them off. improved uni-knot (just two passes through the eye) is stronger than a palomar with braid and so much easier to tie.
@@josh08287 - Did you notice I said "most"? Also, I disagree completely on the improved uni-knot being easier OR stronger. Maybe you're just not as good at tying a Palomar knot, but simple testing shows it is consistently stronger than any uni-knot.
I like the uni knot for multiple flies on a rig. It can be a slip knot when tied to the bend of a hook and so it can be opened up and be removed from the hook bend. Comes in handy sometimes when re-rigging.
Palomar always wins. Kind of a PITA on larger baits but still well worth it. Almost impossible to tie wrong and always easy to completely snug. Another loop type for hooks and small baits is a surgeons loop with a cats paw through the eye. Gives a nice doubled line for a bit ahead of the eye for sandpapery fish mouths.
Always used the improved clinch and its never failed me. Leader knots on the other hand, a very different story! Double or not, thats the fail point. Never tried the FG though. Heard good things.
Excellent video! I discovered the uni knot about 6 yrs ago when I got more serious about fishing and found it to be a huge improvement over the improved clinch that I had been using previously. Might be time to try the Palomar. It may depend on how easy it is for me to tie. ALSO please do similar tests of knots for attaching fluoro leaders to braid in the 10 to 15 lb range.
If I wanted a knot that was very strong and less loss of fish and hooks, definitely the Palomar knot. Very strong and reliable. My next favorite for quick ease of tying and reliability is the improved clinch knot, which I use about 80% of the time. It is also quite strong but not as strong as a Palomar. I've been using these for many years.
The main line to the palomar knot runs through the eye twice, If you want your knot to be as strong as a palomar, just run your line through the eye twice before you tie your knot.
When I fish a snaggy lake or creek, I'll keep using the improved clinch (clamp) knot, because the alternative to losing my hook is losing the entire rig, including the sinker, swivel, and/or bobber. I use the palomar knot or uni knot for almost everything except panfish and have no complaints with either one!
I always used the Improved clinch for 12lb and below, and the san diego jam for 14lb + Curious to see the san diego jam. I had used the palomar but had issues. I may revisit it because I was doing this with 6lb line that I later found to be problematic on its own. I'd say I break off on a fish about once a year, and it's usually because I don't retie. I feel extremely confident in that system I have with the San Diego jam at higher weights, and improved clinch at the mid/low range of line weights. I rarely dip below 8lb nowadays, though. I use 5 wraps from 12lb-14lb, and 6 wraps for 6-10lb.
I've used the improved clinch my entire life and I think I'll stick to that because not only can it be used for hooks but it can also be easily without fail attached to a leader and even used in everyday life that one end of something can't slip through as easily as a hook would.
New to fishing at 37yrs old, only knot I know and was taught is the palomar knot. I was looking to find other knots to use next time I wet my line but I’m glad I don’t need any other, the one I already know is the best.
The palomar knot has the least friction when tying which reduces pre-abrasion from tying and also double the line through the eye which helps abrasion resistance.
Are you talking with braid or mono cause every time I tie a palomar especially with weaker lines the line has a new weak point specifically on the line right at the knot area with mono and fluro only.
Gotta try out the Palomar! I have used a knot close to the Uni knot since I started fishing around five years ago. The knot has broken only a couple times, and both times were when the hook was in the weeds, but it would be nice, and possibly beneficial at some point to know other knots too, I believe! Thanks for this short but informative video!
I don't find flourocarbon to be a strong line so the 'line-test' didn't surprise me. I pretty much always use the uni. In the salt where the rocks are sharp & the kelp tough, I'll double the line to tie the uni. On one of my rod/reels, 30# Fireline Crystal, For the last year, I haven't yet lost the swivel and I've had a lot of brutal hang-ups. I've pulled out lure attachments & straightened hooks (all saltwater hooks & lures), but the double-line uni-knot is still working. I now do have to re-tie as the line is looking pretty abraded at the knot. Because the "palomar" was so well-regarded, I tried it both on a couple of my salt & fresh water rigs. I kept looping the line around the hook-eye, and worse getting it caught under the gap where the hook-eye bend touches the hook-shank. It was hard to discern and harder to try & correct, especially with dark green/faded green braids or finer clear monos. The mis-tied knot failed every time on minor snags, so I quit using it. When I did get a good knot, I didn't find it as trustworthy as the Uni & Doubled-line Uni. So, while your video was good, and gratefully succinct, for braids I'll stick with the doubled-line or single Uni. Flour-leaders, same, mono, same. Mono & the clinch is pretty good as mono doesn't slip like braids. I first started with braids using a clinch/improved clinch, Trilene, and was losing lures like crazy on snags because the line just slipped out. Then discovered Palomar & Unis. Uni works well for me.
The palomar was the first knot dad thought me as a kid, but have been using the improved clinch almost exclusively, I,m switching back, it’s easier to tie without my glasses, thanks.
Uni knot all day everyday easy simple to the point never failed me and caught some nice bass But to each there own whatever works for you that's your choice on the lake have a good time that's all that matters making Memories
Two knots that are substantially stronger than the Palomar knot are the Double Pitzen and the San Diego Jam knot. They aren’t actually knots, they are hitches. Fluorocarbon is especially weakened when a knot is used. Since I switched to the Double Pitzen I have had zero line failures.
Been using the Palomar knot on FLOROCARBON for 25yrs, and no issues. Everybody complains about florocarbon, but if you tie a knot correctly you don't burn it when cinching it down, I mostly fish for Salmon and Steelhead, very hard fighting fish, most times when my line breaks it not the knot but the line itself from hitting structures in the water. So don't go hating on florocarbon because you can't tie properly, it takes practice and patience
Here's one i bet few have heard of: the Davey knot. I use it to tie flies on tippet. I started using it for all light lures. I know it's not as strong as the PK, but i can tie ten daveys in the time it takes to tie one PK.
Grandad taught me the clinch knot (though a lot of us this side of the pond call it a blood knot.) Dad taught me the improved clinch knot. Then my Grandson taught me the palamar knot 😁.
I learned the Palomar Knot from watching the fishing shows on TNN and ESPN in the 1980s and I once went to a sportsmans show and walked up the Stren booth where this pro fishing guy had the same scale set-up at his booth for breaking the knots and was teaching everyone the Improved Clinch until...I walked up, tied a Palomar Knot and beat his knot by what seemed to be 100% knot strength, as the line broke before the knot did. Mr. Stren couldn't believe his eyes and tied one himself and got the same result. Mr. Stren then thanked me profusely in front of everyone and went off to tell the other Mr. Strens all about this awesome and easy-to-tie knot some guy just showed him. 😆
It wasn't the knot that surprised me, it was the fact that we saw zero testing in this video 😮😮😮😮
Same
I mean he gave the results as well as the testing links. Y’all really surprise me sometimes
I can describe to you what the visual test would look like….. (zoomed in on hook) number go up….snap, repeat 4 more times. He visually showed how to tie the knots, which is still helpful….Watching all 5 snap, is redundant and not needed over the actual numbers.
dont need that useless video.. we want fast result... we dont watch movie!
I watch myth busters for the spreadsheets
I’ve been fishing for over 40 years and have tried all these knots through trials on the water. I got the same results you explained in less than 5 minutes. Well done!
I learned the improved clinch when I was a kid. I didn’t even know that was its name. Somebody showed me how to tie it, and that was the knot I used until I was in my 30s. I’m 68 now, and worked in a tackle shop after I retired and learned serval other knots, like the dropper loop to make pompano rigs. I still primarily use the improved clinch, but the palomar is great when you can pass the loop over your terminal tackle. I really appreciate how quickly you got to the point in this video, and have subscribed.
Palomar is great, but that little loop part of the line ,ALWAYS, Wants to hang back and ketch, wrap itself ner the eyelet or eyelet swivel ect. You have to block off its sneaky double back, lol.
Palomar is KING! Cheers brotha', you earned a subscriber. Straight to the point and no bullsh*tting around.
Exactly! Used to make improved clinches around the hook, but once I tried palomar I was totally shocked how fine strong and unbreakable it is
Agree , I haven't lost a fish on a Palomar knot
@@pavelssuskis3468 Yeah, I've literally snapped hooks off before using palomar. Been fishing 30+ years and NEVER had a palomar fail on me, ever.
@@NineteenEighty8 the only drawback form me is when you have soft finishing line for feeder. It is just torture that pays off by the results 😅
Wtf....thats what u call to the point?
I have used the improved clinch knot exclusively for ages; I know people love the palomar, but at this point, I can pretty much tie the ICK with my eyes closed, so I have no intentions of changing, at least not for such a small improvement in strength. It has never failed me.
Me too. There's this trick I do to it so its harder to slip out. I heat a small part of the end of the leader where you cut ( once the knot is done) with my lighter and push it so it becomes a small hard ball of flourcarbon that is harder to pass throught the knot just in case its thinking of slipping. Ive been doing it for ages and dont remember if I made it up or saw it somewhere but ive never heard of anyone else doing it. I also rub crazy glue on my fg knots to make em like carbon fiber 😂
Me too. And I think it's the best looking knot. So satisfying when you tie the knot and you see a perfect spiral forming. lol
Been using palomar knot before I even knew the name, never fails
Palomar has minimum friction between the line, and that minimum friction divided between two line, it probably the strongest yet very simple knot
Been using the Palomar knot for 15 years, good to know I was using the strongest one all along!
Palomar works good on braided line to a hook but it seems to break inside the knot on larger fish like big snook,reds or tarpon on florocarbon. I happened to see a TH-cam video of Shaw Grigsby talking about him testing every knot on florocarbon specifically and the strongest was what he showed on the video that another pro angler taught him how to tie. He didn't know the name of the knot back in 2010 ish when the video was recorded. In the comment section years later when I rewatched the video I saw where people were saying it was a double pitzen knot. I've never had this knot fail on florocarbon. There's a double San Diego jam knot that's very similar to the double pitzen knot with the exception it has an extra loop for the tag ends to go thru. I haven't got to try it yet. Anyway the DPK is as easy to tie as the Palomar. It was only an issue with really big fish.
Love it. I switched to the palamar knot a couple of years ago from the improved clinch and have taught it to all my kids for ease of tying. Was nice to see it perform so well in testing. In my experience of using it I lose less lures in the cast and don’t have the obvious knot failure from the clinch days. Thanks
My dad taught me the palomar before I started fishing. He grew up on a Farm in Mexico and used the palomar for farm animals and ranch work!
Not surprised! Thanks Dad!
Rest In Peace!
How did he pass the farm animal thru the loop?
lol Palomar for farm animals….how? Literally one of the only knots NOT usable in that scenario lol. Bowlines, clove hitches, anchor hitches, sheep hitches, stopper knots with clove hitch…..all for farm animals….but a palomar lul. You get that bill to jump through the loop!
@@Burlehmangus Yes! He did lots of knots but that one he told me was the most useful in everything! He grew up on the farm I didn’t!
@@BG-bx4ey are you serious or your just being a jerk?
Straight to the point. I enjoy videos like these
I started using the Palomar 4 or 5 years ago, and haven't had one fail yet! Usually fishing saltwater for drum.
But shark are always abundant so its not like I haven't had a chance or two to really crank on the knot.
The few times I lost fish were from straightened out hooks or a 75+lb stingray.
For ease of tying and for a solid engagement to your gear, I like it!
Awesome! I'm sticking to my knot! I have yet to have it fail. The line breaks first!!
what's your knot?
@@David-we3sb everyone calls it the Brucey because I invented it by accident.
@@bcallisjr cool! Is it similar to any other knot?
Just started using Palomar knot for hooks and am impressed. This video also gives confidence. Double uni for connecting lines, pretty damn strong, in my opinion. Improved clinch is a go to for me with bottom walkers.
Palomar for all braid. improved clinch for regualr mono to swivel or lures. Egg loop for bait. Uni to uni for line to line (yes there are stronger and thinner knots but this is easy to tie and hasnt failed me yet.). Those are the 4 i use regularly.
I also tie uni to uni. I can tie it dead of night with no light and it hasn't failed me shark fishing yet!
I use the uni for everything except eggs and I've never pulled in a squiggle tail.
It's nice to know.I've been tying the right knot all the time
I use a hybrid clinch knot - when I pass the tag end through the loop in the line, I also pass it back through the eye of the hook. Then, cinch down tight, but not as hard as you can; you want the knot to have JUST a little give so it can tighten more on a big fish instead of snapping your line.
Flourocarbon. I feel it’s way less forgiving than mono, and highly over hyped
Fantastic video for my time..... you've taught me what the knot is I've used all my life, "Improved clinch". I fell out of fishing about
12 yrs ago after some things happened & then all my gear was stolen. I've never got going again but I might now. Not sure where
to start w/ all the rod/reel choices but I know my knot & I think I'll try the palomar when I get going again. peace
Uni-knot needs 6-7 wraps for 4--8lb test 6 wraps 10-15lb. I would love to see your results with just one more wrap. Thanks
Agreed also not all line is equal eg supple vs fluorocarbon. My suggestion is always test your line and knots before you go fishing. So you have real confidence in your gear.
Is that for optimal breaking strength or to stop it from slipping? I use 5 wraps for 10-130# braid, 4 wraps for 6-10 and 40#+ mono & fluoro, 5 wraps for 12-30# mono & fluoro with excellent results but certainly open to improvement!
@@glenmason6899That's wise. I just wasted 20 years learning the hard way...
I’ve had a few hogs break my uni knot, it was from top water strikes both on Berkeley choppers disrupting the top water. Top water strikes are so insane I ended up getting a bait caster finally with some 30 on braid I’m hoping that’ll be my ticket to securing that giant top water fish, do not even think about trying to fish top water with anything less than 20lb braid and especially if your using a spinning combo just stick to finesse.
I’d love to see this test on mono and braid up to 150 lb test. I’m sure the knot strength will vary dependent on line thickness. it would be interesting to see. Thanks for the video.
Palomar will always win
@@larrytrickett9115 Palomar in big diameter mono or even worst, fluoro isn't and option (unluckly) cause It wont tight correctly because the rigidity of the line, I tried on a 0.70mm fluoro but It doesn't work, I think in bigger moni the best Is the improved clinch or the uni knot
@@imducci9357 the palomar is designed for braid
@@imducci9357I use Palomar for bluefin tuna using 150-200# mono or fluoro leader and have no problems tightening the knot.
For the heavy mono you have to use the Centauri knot. The other ones don't cinch down at all they don't work on 80lb+ line
Hi - After I learned the Palomar knot, it's all I use when I can double the line through what I'm tying on! Thanks for sharing your test results!
The finish of the knot is SOOOOO under appreciated! If you have any flaws in the finish, the know is no good!
I was a Palomar knot guy for years, and still will when tying direct to braid or flouro less than 8lb. I started using a uni knot in 2010 when I began my braid to leader journey and it hasn’t let me down.
Same here. Palomar is not reliable for larger mono and fluoro. I use the uni for every line and the double uni for every line to line type including fly line to micro leaders.
@@BG-bx4ey I don’t use the uni to uni anymore for leaders, whenever I was snagged or broke the line off it would fail at the leader knot 100% of the time. I switched to an fg knot for leaders, it never fails.
@@SpiraljamI just learned the FG, songs haven't tested it myself, but I had many uni-uni knots fail. I switched to Albright knots, and had a much better time if it, with the benefit o it passing easily through the eye on a cast, out needed
Same here
I picked up fishing in the 90s from my cousin. Only used spade hooks at the start (eyed hooks just weren't a thing where I grew up, so I snelled everything, and I still do). Never lost a hook due to the knot breaking or coming undone (when tied correctly). Guess it's one of those things where you just do whatever has been working for you. I'm not even sure where it ranks in strength compared to these, as long as it works.
I grew up tying the Trilene knot (A version of the improved clinch knot) and now that my eyes can no longer find the holes, the Palomar or the Miller knot are my go-to knots.
Trilene has failed me so many times, I was sure I was clinching it down correctly
This is my go-to knot, I've never had any issues with it, but with thinner line it can get difficult to make the final pass through both loops.
I learned the uni when I was 8 because the improved clinch was frusterating to tie and failed often.
Been using the Kentucky rig for catfish and red drum fishing and it pays off. Improved clinch from 20lb leader to swivel t-knot to a 40lb hook line to keep that hook line from getting tangled to leader, using a piece of stir straw does the trick and a figure 8 knot at both remaining ends completes that Kentucky rig.
I’ve been using the improved clinch knot both in fresh and saltwater for over 40 years and it has never disappointed!🎣
Just like many other's here in the comment section, such a boost of confidence hearing the Palomar came in at #1 My dad taught me the Palomar knot when I was 9 or 10 (I'm now 36) and it's the only fishing knot I've tied in my entire life. Thanks for the testing 💪
After recently picking up fishing again from when I was a kid, I've been using the Palomar for small lures and hooks, and the improved clinch for setups which require passing through bulky items which can be a pain with the Palomar. Since learning these two knots, I have not lost a single lure or hook on a fish or snag, and from experience alone, they are much stronger than the standard clinch.
Brother, I have been waiting for someone to do this exact video. Thank you so much, man. I use the Uni-knot and for sure will now use the palimar
It's gonna depend on how heavy line your using. On thicker braid lines (0.28++) the uni knot is a lot stronger than the palomar. Like 25-40%. Always a good idea to look up knot strengths for different types of lines and thickness, and not rely on 1 test on 1 type of line and thickness.
First knot I learned to tie was the uni and have never had a problem with it. The other two might be considered better but if it isn’t broke I don’t see the need to fix it
With any knot, especially the uni knot, it is extremely important how you tie it. You have to close the knot almost completely up the line and then gently slide the knot GENTLY towards the hook, lure swivel before you close it. Use enough water or spit and test it with your hands.
So don’t just jank on the line to close the knot, because you will damage the line.
@@paterpeter1985 let’s not forget if you want to connect 2 lines together the double uni is perfect so knowing how to tie it is great
uni knot is all rounder knot, you can use it for many things
The knot I grew up with was the improved clinch. It's still my go to knot in a lot of cases because it's easy to tie, and I have trouble tying much else with the light line I use on my ultralight and light action rods. Although I do use a Trilene knot on my ultralight and light action setups sometimes.
I'm going to start trying to use a Palomar knot when I can. But I'll probably stick with the improved clinch and Trilene knots some of the time.
No surprises to me. I just find the improved clinch easiest to tie (but I’ve been using it for over 60 years so…).
What really did surprise me was that the 12# line broke consistently at 75% of the rated strength!
When I first seen the Palomar knot, I loved it bc it was super easy, I never knew till this video it's the strongest knot on the board, I tied this knot 2 hours ago and I love it!!
I've been using nothing but an Improved Clinch Knot for 56 years and it's never failed me. I will use other knots when I need more wobble in a Crankbaits or something.
Personally I’ve never had good luck with the polamar knot. I would always break off but I’ve always done really good with the improved clinch knot. Plus it’s a skinner knot than the polar knot which helps a lot when your lure is coming through grass and gunk.
I have heard it said that you have to be very careful using the Palomar knot on fluorocarbon line. The theory is that if you go to cinch it down and do not separate the lines in the loop correctly (apparently a lot of people don't) the knot will cut the line under pressure from a fish pulling on it. Supposedly it does not have this problem with braid and mono.
I can vouch for this… when a large largemouth pulls hard and fast I’ve had the palomar fail at the knot almost instantly. I think I’m gonna switch to the uni for consistency and simplicity.
Because of the test, you are #1!
Nice no bs straight forward data. Truly a beautiful thing.
Very well put together and edited. Clear and concise, a rarity these days. I use the improved clinch, but will learn the palomar. Thanks
I use the improved clinch and the palomar. I was taught these two knots about four decades ago by my dad and I taught my son these knots.
I use the palomar when tying to a hook, jighead type hooks and use the uni on larger lures like a a double spinner or buzzbait then go with the double uni when tying a leader to braid.
Results comport with my experience, thank you for the review. Personally, I think it is the two loops through the eye that make the Palomar so strong. I also think that's what makes the Trilene and Improved Trilene so strong, too.
The uni can be tied in the dark and it is super fast and simple, it is the no brainer go to knot once you try it under all conditions.
Agreed. The Uni is fast, easy reliable and strong
My grandfather taught me the improved clinch when i was about 5 or 6 fishing with him so id tie my own and not take up all his fishing time lol. Been my go to for most applications through the years. Of course ive added some others but that one will always be my first choice when applicable.
The improved cinch was ok when we all used monofilament, but I switched to the palomar knot as a necessity when hybrid lines came along. It’s a simple knot to tie if we remember not to twist the loop and to wet before pulling. Nice concise video. I’ll take the testing on trust.
I used the Palomar knot on braided line for many years, but avoided it on mono until this summer. Thicker monofilament lines do not lock down well on complex multi-turn knots, though they will tie well on light lines. I lost a good fish on an improved clinch knot with 15 lb line that slipped on a good barbel, and will only use Palomar now.
I'm always surprised when someone doesn't use a Palomar knot for most of their fishing needs, given how easy it is to learn and tie. The strength of it is more of a fringe benefit, but well worth knowing about.
I feel like the uni is the simplest and most versatile. You don't have to pass anything thru the loop, so large baits, leaders, etc are easier to tie that way. Also, if you know 1 uni, you know 2, so you have an excellent line to line knot too.
I have had putiful results with mono and fluorocarbon with the palomar, but watching this makes me consider user error more.
Anyone that has ever hooked themselves with a long jerkbait or big crankbait while trying to pass the loop over it to tie that stupid palomar knot will almost immediately swear them off. improved uni-knot (just two passes through the eye) is stronger than a palomar with braid and so much easier to tie.
@@josh08287 - Did you notice I said "most"? Also, I disagree completely on the improved uni-knot being easier OR stronger. Maybe you're just not as good at tying a Palomar knot, but simple testing shows it is consistently stronger than any uni-knot.
I like the uni knot for multiple flies on a rig. It can be a slip knot when tied to the bend of a hook and so it can be opened up and be removed from the hook bend. Comes in handy sometimes when re-rigging.
great video thank you
Trilene is the goat, simple and strong AF, never ever failed me, ever.
I've used that, too, for many years. I don't know why no-one tests it.
Palomar always wins. Kind of a PITA on larger baits but still well worth it. Almost impossible to tie wrong and always easy to completely snug. Another loop type for hooks and small baits is a surgeons loop with a cats paw through the eye. Gives a nice doubled line for a bit ahead of the eye for sandpapery fish mouths.
Always used the improved clinch and its never failed me. Leader knots on the other hand, a very different story! Double or not, thats the fail point. Never tried the FG though. Heard good things.
Excellent video! I discovered the uni knot about 6 yrs ago when I got more serious about fishing and found it to be a huge improvement over the improved clinch that I had been using previously. Might be time to try the Palomar. It may depend on how easy it is for me to tie. ALSO please do similar tests of knots for attaching fluoro leaders to braid in the 10 to 15 lb range.
The improved clinch not was better than the one you've been using
If I wanted a knot that was very strong and less loss of fish and hooks, definitely the Palomar knot. Very strong and reliable. My next favorite for quick ease of tying and reliability is the improved clinch knot, which I use about 80% of the time. It is also quite strong but not as strong as a Palomar. I've been using these for many years.
Great video, thankfully I have always used the improved clinch for floro and Palomar for braid so it confirmes my knots
Palomar knot has always been my go-to knot.
Nothing beats the uni knot IF tied correctly. Tie 2 loops around the hook then 7 wraps, pull with pliers then melt the end.
The lighter the line, the more wraps. Same goes for improved clinch. It makes a big difference
The main line to the palomar knot runs through the eye twice, If you want your knot to be as strong as a palomar, just run your line through the eye twice before you tie your knot.
I use the Improved Clinch Knot followed by a uni and have not lots a hook yet due to slipping.
When I fish a snaggy lake or creek, I'll keep using the improved clinch (clamp) knot, because the alternative to losing my hook is losing the entire rig, including the sinker, swivel, and/or bobber. I use the palomar knot or uni knot for almost everything except panfish and have no complaints with either one!
I always used the Improved clinch for 12lb and below, and the san diego jam for 14lb +
Curious to see the san diego jam.
I had used the palomar but had issues. I may revisit it because I was doing this with 6lb line that I later found to be problematic on its own.
I'd say I break off on a fish about once a year, and it's usually because I don't retie. I feel extremely confident in that system I have with the San Diego jam at higher weights, and improved clinch at the mid/low range of line weights. I rarely dip below 8lb nowadays, though.
I use 5 wraps from 12lb-14lb, and 6 wraps for 6-10lb.
I’m with you. Had too many palomar’s fail at the hook. Not reliable in the long haul.
I've used the improved clinch my entire life and I think I'll stick to that because not only can it be used for hooks but it can also be easily without fail attached to a leader and even used in everyday life that one end of something can't slip through as easily as a hook would.
Going from the clinch to improved. Thx
Good video, earned a new subscription.
I will continue to use the improved clinch. Palomar occasionally.
Which in your opinion would be the best for 6lb flurocarbon
Tie them and test them yourself.
Your hook and your line might be different than this guys.
As someone who fishes at night a lot and has failing eyesight, the uni is by far the easiest for me to tie. Ease of tying trumps other factors. YMMV
I kinda eliminate the worry about breaking strength, I just use heavier line. 😊
True, but seriously, I rarely have a line break at the knot.
New to fishing at 37yrs old, only knot I know and was taught is the palomar knot. I was looking to find other knots to use next time I wet my line but I’m glad I don’t need any other, the one I already know is the best.
Try the trilene knot too! I'm guessing it would be 90-95% off of my personal experiences, but I'd love to see it confirmed
The palomar knot has the least friction when tying which reduces pre-abrasion from tying and also double the line through the eye which helps abrasion resistance.
Are you talking with braid or mono cause every time I tie a palomar especially with weaker lines the line has a new weak point specifically on the line right at the knot area with mono and fluro only.
Gotta try out the Palomar! I have used a knot close to the Uni knot since I started fishing around five years ago. The knot has broken only a couple times, and both times were when the hook was in the weeds, but it would be nice, and possibly beneficial at some point to know other knots too, I believe! Thanks for this short but informative video!
Tie the Palomar knot and you won’t go back mate. It’s super strong and the easiest to tie.
i like improved clinch for light line, uni for heavy line, and palomar knot for braid direct
just got into fishing and started using the palomar 2:56 because it seemed easy enough to do - glad I picked the strongest knot!
I’ve always used the improved knot with all non-braided line and palomar with braid. So my knot game is on point. Now I gotta get the fish to bite.
I haven't had a knot break or become loose since I was 9 , I use the Palomar or the Fish-n- Fool , both have never failed me 👍
I’ve always use the improved clinch. But was taught to go 7-8 wraps, not 5. I wonder if it makes a difference?
I don't find flourocarbon to be a strong line so the 'line-test' didn't surprise me. I pretty much always use the uni. In the salt where the rocks are sharp & the kelp tough, I'll double the line to tie the uni. On one of my rod/reels, 30# Fireline Crystal, For the last year, I haven't yet lost the swivel and I've had a lot of brutal hang-ups. I've pulled out lure attachments & straightened hooks (all saltwater hooks & lures), but the double-line uni-knot is still working. I now do have to re-tie as the line is looking pretty abraded at the knot.
Because the "palomar" was so well-regarded, I tried it both on a couple of my salt & fresh water rigs. I kept looping the line around the hook-eye, and worse getting it caught under the gap where the hook-eye bend touches the hook-shank. It was hard to discern and harder to try & correct, especially with dark green/faded green braids or finer clear monos. The mis-tied knot failed every time on minor snags, so I quit using it. When I did get a good knot, I didn't find it as trustworthy as the Uni & Doubled-line Uni. So, while your video was good, and gratefully succinct, for braids I'll stick with the doubled-line or single Uni. Flour-leaders, same, mono, same. Mono & the clinch is pretty good as mono doesn't slip like braids. I first started with braids using a clinch/improved clinch, Trilene, and was losing lures like crazy on snags because the line just slipped out. Then discovered Palomar & Unis. Uni works well for me.
My dad taught me the Palomar knot when I was a kid. Its the only knot I have used my whole life.
I always use the Palomar Knot, it's so easy to tie and it's very strong 😃😃
The palomar was the first knot dad thought me as a kid, but have been using the improved clinch almost exclusively, I,m switching back, it’s easier to tie without my glasses, thanks.
I've always double loop my uni knots on the tag end, in the hook eye, major but simple improvement on strength, than just one tag end loop
I have tested a few like that and it definitely can improve strength
The improved clinch & palomar knots are the only two I use.
I always do an improved clinch knot and a Palomar knot . I’ve never lost a hook yet . Love them
Ditched the improved clinch for the palomar years ago. But I still use the ns loop for soft plastics
Are the results the same whether fluorocarbon, multi or mono? Thanks!
Uni knot all day everyday easy simple to the point never failed me and caught some nice bass
But to each there own whatever works for you that's your choice on the lake have a good time that's all that matters making Memories
Lately I’ve been tying the polymer knot, but instead of using the inside loop, I’ll loop on the outside then tread it back through.
Is there a stronger loop knot you would recommend?
Aha, glad I found this. The Clinch knot is what I've always called a Blood knot. So I just need to incorporate that improvement and I'm sorted.
Have always used the improved clinch
Uni is still my go to. Especially when leader fishing. Uses less than one inch of line for each tie between large fish.
Two knots that are substantially stronger than the Palomar knot are the Double Pitzen and the San Diego Jam knot. They aren’t actually knots, they are hitches. Fluorocarbon is especially weakened when a knot is used. Since I switched to the Double Pitzen I have had zero line failures.
Lol which video game do you fish in?
You sound like one of those "I've never missed a shot on a deer" kind of guys...
@@BG-bx4eyweird comment. 🤡
Been using the Palomar knot on FLOROCARBON for 25yrs, and no issues. Everybody complains about florocarbon, but if you tie a knot correctly you don't burn it when cinching it down, I mostly fish for Salmon and Steelhead, very hard fighting fish, most times when my line breaks it not the knot but the line itself from hitting structures in the water. So don't go hating on florocarbon because you can't tie properly, it takes practice and patience
Here's one i bet few have heard of: the Davey knot. I use it to tie flies on tippet. I started using it for all light lures. I know it's not as strong as the PK, but i can tie ten daveys in the time it takes to tie one PK.
I tested that one. It is strong and fast
Grandad taught me the clinch knot (though a lot of us this side of the pond call it a blood knot.) Dad taught me the improved clinch knot. Then my Grandson taught me the palamar knot 😁.
only knot I ever use. Palomar, but I fish with mainly braid and it's by far the best on braid
So you're saying you tie your hooks/lures directly to braid? 🤦
Great video. I was curious as to what brand vise is shown, Peak ?
I learned the Palomar Knot from watching the fishing shows on TNN and ESPN in the 1980s and I once went to a sportsmans show and walked up the Stren booth where this pro fishing guy had the same scale set-up at his booth for breaking the knots and was teaching everyone the Improved Clinch until...I walked up, tied a Palomar Knot and beat his knot by what seemed to be 100% knot strength, as the line broke before the knot did. Mr. Stren couldn't believe his eyes and tied one himself and got the same result. Mr. Stren then thanked me profusely in front of everyone and went off to tell the other Mr. Strens all about this awesome and easy-to-tie knot some guy just showed him. 😆
Very interesting and informative video 👍
Test the Davy knot for us and the double Davy knot thanks great great info sure do appreciate it.
Short and sweet. Using the Jack knot.