@@nickoD509 It’s highly tied to religious beliefs. I don’t mean to say the belief in flat earth is itself religious but rather because they have an interpretation of their religion that propose that the earth is flat. They are really similar to young earth creationists. That cover probably 90~95% of flat earthers. The rest is either trolls or people who need to feel special, to be the first to have access to the secret. It’s an ego issue, in the same vein as « big car, small d!ck ». This later group also cover part of those in the religious group.
The Globe is a conspiracy! I believed till I got my mind right. Heliocentrism was started by a cleric in Poland in the late 1400s contrary to church teachings so people could have jobs at NASAS 500 years later in a country that didn’t exist back then! It made perfect sense once I got my mind right….
As is often the case, people interpret things in the context of their beliefs, in an either/or, only two possible alternatives kind of way. When instead there is a range of understanding, and the underlying truth should be the goal. Many Flat Earth believers have mutually conflicting claims, where one idea negates another. Meanwhile others accept the information produced over many generations of refinement that demonstrates the Earth is a globe, and the technologies we take for granted constantly utilize that knowledge.
Dude, I've been watching flat earth content for comedy the last 10 years, and I remember coming across this short film years ago thinking "oh god did flat earthers make a short film." I read the comments and saw it was filled with flat earthers but I was left confused when the film had nothing to do with flat earth lol.
I'm glad you said the comment under your film was for possible employers - because flat earthers will ignore it. In fact they have 'debunked' NASA images as CGI whilst ignoring the fact that NASA has labeled them 'artist impression'
That's so funny that you basically walked backwards and blindfolded into an online debate without realizing it. Your art film had no specific intention to challenge either side of this debate and was made purely without any agenda in regards to science. You made it just to make something cool and I respect that. And it is hilarious to see how these wacky flat earthers can interpret a piece of art to have a hidden agenda in it. It shows you how conspiratorial their minds can get where they turn some innocent into an agenda purely from their own slanted thinking.
Right?! Thank you for watching. It really is an interesting case study. You hit the nail on the head. Before you know it I'm going to make another film and then be accused of thinking lizards run the Earth! 😅
yeah firmament is a specific thing in flat earth circles. In hebrew it menas solid structure I think and in greek it means heavens/sky. Flerfs are the kings of cherry picking.
Yeah, it's been quite the topic over the last, maybe 10ish years. I'm not sure I would agree that they appropriated it. The Bible is something that can be interpreted any number of different ways. Some took it to mean that a dome exists. That's the hard part about religion and poetic writing. You can interpret a set of texts multiple ways without any real way to judge which, if any, might be correct.
Very understandable. Maybe "appropriate" was the wrong word to use. "Interpret" would have been a better word. From my research, the idea of a "firmament" predates the Hebrew Bible, as both Egyptian and Greek cosmology references a dome over the Earth. It's quite an interesting topic, ancient cosmology.
@@nikoniko9 we are sending a flat earther to Antarctica this December to see if there's a 24-hour sun, which would falsify flat earth and prove the globe.
Did you notice in the definition that you showed for the firmament that it says "especially when regarded aa a tangible thing"? The word refers to a vault or dome over a flat Earth and has no real place in the heliocentric cosmology. The word comes from the Latin "firmamentum" meaning "support" or "strengthening", which was used in the Latin Vulgate Bible to translate the Hebrew word "raqia" (meaning "expanse" or "extended surface"). It was traditionally viewed as a fixed, solid structure - hence the use of "firma" (firm) in the Latin term. I can understand that you didn't realize this when you chose the name for your film, but I thought this information might help point out the interest you received from people that consider our world to be established on a level plane!
Pardon me, but as a Christian you really ought to know how wildly different stuff - like ancient books - can be interpreted ;) Regarding the future of this channel, I think it's quite easy: Use your films channel for your main interest - films - and this channel for everything else. And if there is no time for "everything else" so be it, just leave a note "I'm going for cigarettes, be back soon". (For younger viewers: That's what husband used to say before disappearing for the next twelf years or so.)
"Firmament" is in the beginning of the first chapter of the first book of the Bible in the most popular translation (King James), and you never heard it before? 🤨
He means its not a word you hear regularly. It's not a word you typically hear in everyday conversation or topical discussions. You could go months or years without hearing a word like that so when you do finally hear it, it has a certain charm to it. Like hearing someone say Ravine or Stellar or other unique words that don't come up very often.
@@nikoniko9 Ok ok......I like it.....almost. Thats almost funny! Thank you for explaining, still better than most of my jokes but needs some polishing up I think. Its just if they dont believe its a ball why would they need to look for the pump? Would have been funnier if it was against ballers you know?
As somebody who abhors any sort of brainwashing or mind control or mass societal manipulation I realise whilst it is still common to believe in the spinning ball, it is not and has never been normal and should never be considered so. So if I ever use the word baller, it is affectionately and never with malice or condescension as almost every flerf ive spoken to was a baller for most of their lives. What you said was still funny though just quite sad from my perspective.
@@forbiddenscience1970 My condolences, it must be hard and strange to feel how you feel, while simultaneously being a victim of brainwashing. I hope you wake up one day and return to reality.
I understand where you are coming from. It is a very shocking verse, especially when viewed through a modern lens. Although there are many other theologians and religious scholars who could answer your question more directly. My response would be that you have to remember that the Bible is one unified story, even though it has many books and many authors. Taking things out of context of any story can lead to many misinterpretations or "not getting the full story". This isn't a religious debate channel, but I would highly recommend maybe looking up what the New Testament says about the old. Hopefully this helps you understand my viewpoints. I appreciate the comment, though!
I understand why that may be. But all views are respected here. It's never good to discredit something or an opinion due to an opposing belief. Many art that I consume is filled with messages I disagree with, but I wouldn't say it ruins it for me. Rather I listen, and respect what they believe. But I do stand my ground with my belief. We need to be harmonious with peoples opposing beliefs. Sorry, soapbox over haha. Regardless I'm glad you enjoyed the video and took the time to comment!
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If the Earth is flat, why doesn't it get singing lessons? Boom. Problem solved.
Cause it's got no rhythm as well?
Damnit Niko. I wish I knew why people want to believe the earth is flat so badly.
Or an augmentation
@@nickoD509 It’s highly tied to religious beliefs. I don’t mean to say the belief in flat earth is itself religious but rather because they have an interpretation of their religion that propose that the earth is flat. They are really similar to young earth creationists.
That cover probably 90~95% of flat earthers. The rest is either trolls or people who need to feel special, to be the first to have access to the secret. It’s an ego issue, in the same vein as « big car, small d!ck ». This later group also cover part of those in the religious group.
The Globe is a conspiracy! I believed till I got my mind right. Heliocentrism was started by a cleric in Poland in the late 1400s contrary to church teachings so people could have jobs at NASAS 500 years later in a country that didn’t exist back then! It made perfect sense once I got my mind right….
Welcome to the world of "accidental social experiments"!
Tell me about it!
Made a short talking about overthinking things, everybody starts to overthink its meaning
The irony.
As is often the case, people interpret things in the context of their beliefs, in an either/or, only two possible alternatives kind of way. When instead there is a range of understanding, and the underlying truth should be the goal.
Many Flat Earth believers have mutually conflicting claims, where one idea negates another. Meanwhile others accept the information produced over many generations of refinement that demonstrates the Earth is a globe, and the technologies we take for granted constantly utilize that knowledge.
Dude, I've been watching flat earth content for comedy the last 10 years, and I remember coming across this short film years ago thinking "oh god did flat earthers make a short film." I read the comments and saw it was filled with flat earthers but I was left confused when the film had nothing to do with flat earth lol.
Same here. There's no greater entertainment than watching them be so arrogant and debunking themselves at the same time. It never gets old.
This may be the best comment I have ever had lol. That is so funny.
I'm glad you said the comment under your film was for possible employers - because flat earthers will ignore it. In fact they have 'debunked' NASA images as CGI whilst ignoring the fact that NASA has labeled them 'artist impression'
I heard the Firmament was holding back the waters of Noah's flood.
I'm not sure!
That's so funny that you basically walked backwards and blindfolded into an online debate without realizing it. Your art film had no specific intention to challenge either side of this debate and was made purely without any agenda in regards to science. You made it just to make something cool and I respect that. And it is hilarious to see how these wacky flat earthers can interpret a piece of art to have a hidden agenda in it. It shows you how conspiratorial their minds can get where they turn some innocent into an agenda purely from their own slanted thinking.
A small correction.
There is no debate, the body of human knowledge says the earth is definitely spherical.
Right?! Thank you for watching. It really is an interesting case study. You hit the nail on the head. Before you know it I'm going to make another film and then be accused of thinking lizards run the Earth! 😅
@@thygek.mikkelsen2324can _you_ prove that earth is a sphere?
@@hopmajibhohepeajibho7595 Not the person youre responding to, but yes, easily.
@@hopmajibhohepeajibho7595 Silly. The shape of earth has been known and proved for thousands of years.
There are people still actually believe they live on a ball within a vacumm.
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yeah firmament is a specific thing in flat earth circles. In hebrew it menas solid structure I think and in greek it means heavens/sky. Flerfs are the kings of cherry picking.
@@Grigori1am I’m actually Greek so maybe that explains my rationale lol.
@@nikoniko9 Fair enuf. Bible was written in hebrew and greek, and maybe latin so its important to know the core of the issues people are having.
"How i pissed off the Flat earth society"
It's amazing that the flat earth society isn't cooky enough for you.
Semantics ammirite?
Yeah, it's been quite the topic over the last, maybe 10ish years. I'm not sure I would agree that they appropriated it. The Bible is something that can be interpreted any number of different ways. Some took it to mean that a dome exists. That's the hard part about religion and poetic writing. You can interpret a set of texts multiple ways without any real way to judge which, if any, might be correct.
Very understandable. Maybe "appropriate" was the wrong word to use. "Interpret" would have been a better word. From my research, the idea of a "firmament" predates the Hebrew Bible, as both Egyptian and Greek cosmology references a dome over the Earth. It's quite an interesting topic, ancient cosmology.
Have you heard of The Final Experiment?
I have not. I looked it up, do you mean the 1995 album?
@@nikoniko9 we are sending a flat earther to Antarctica this December to see if there's a 24-hour sun, which would falsify flat earth and prove the globe.
@@The-Final-ExperimentInteresting!
Did you notice in the definition that you showed for the firmament that it says "especially when regarded aa a tangible thing"? The word refers to a vault or dome over a flat Earth and has no real place in the heliocentric cosmology. The word comes from the Latin "firmamentum" meaning "support" or "strengthening", which was used in the Latin Vulgate Bible to translate the Hebrew word "raqia" (meaning "expanse" or "extended surface"). It was traditionally viewed as a fixed, solid structure - hence the use of "firma" (firm) in the Latin term.
I can understand that you didn't realize this when you chose the name for your film, but I thought this information might help point out the interest you received from people that consider our world to be established on a level plane!
Oh yes, when I first read it, I just sort of shrugged it off. In retrospect, that makes sense.
Dude thats crazy 😂 The internet is a wild place. Loved seeing a Niko video pop up on my home page
It is man! Always good to see a Chris comment pop up in my notifications! lol.
Pardon me, but as a Christian you really ought to know how wildly different stuff - like ancient books - can be interpreted ;)
Regarding the future of this channel, I think it's quite easy: Use your films channel for your main interest - films - and this channel for everything else. And if there is no time for "everything else" so be it, just leave a note "I'm going for cigarettes, be back soon". (For younger viewers: That's what husband used to say before disappearing for the next twelf years or so.)
@@carstenhardt1589 that’s a great idea! That’s what I’m thinking I’m gonna do.
some people take themselves to seriously {flerfs}
True but some flerfs don't and are lovely just like every other type of person!
Any demonstrations of gas pressure without a container? Still waiting...
Tokamak reactor
I need a couple chili dogs first.
Oh yeah, and literally everywhere.
@@UpperDarbyDetailing i said without a container... try again.
@@UpperDarbyDetailing begging the question fallacy. Try again
"Firmament" is in the beginning of the first chapter of the first book of the Bible in the most popular translation (King James), and you never heard it before? 🤨
He means its not a word you hear regularly. It's not a word you typically hear in everyday conversation or topical discussions. You could go months or years without hearing a word like that so when you do finally hear it, it has a certain charm to it. Like hearing someone say Ravine or Stellar or other unique words that don't come up very often.
I haven't believe it or not. I have only read the NIV translation of the Bible which says "sky" and not "Firmament".
@@nikoniko9 Oh, OK. That makes sense.
most flat earthers are still looking for a pump
I dont get it?? Would you mind explaining?
"Basketball Earthers"
@@nikoniko9 Ok ok......I like it.....almost. Thats almost funny! Thank you for explaining, still better than most of my jokes but needs some polishing up I think. Its just if they dont believe its a ball why would they need to look for the pump? Would have been funnier if it was against ballers you know?
Using a word SACRED to flerfs by using it properly?!?
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Right!? lol.
Good ❤
0:58 I'm out
Wait come back! 😟
Funny how I looked through all the videos, shorts, playlists and the one video I dont see is "Firmament"
It's on his other channel and the video is linked in the description.
@@SupercriticalSnake Thank you!
Watched Firmament and globie who got upset was taking themselves way too seriously, who cares what flerfs think!
Am I the real globie? 😮
Small correction.
It's not called ballers, it's just normal people😉
As somebody who abhors any sort of brainwashing or mind control or mass societal manipulation I realise whilst it is still common to believe in the spinning ball, it is not and has never been normal and should never be considered so. So if I ever use the word baller, it is affectionately and never with malice or condescension as almost every flerf ive spoken to was a baller for most of their lives. What you said was still funny though just quite sad from my perspective.
@@forbiddenscience1970
My condolences, it must be hard and strange to feel how you feel, while simultaneously being a victim of brainwashing.
I hope you wake up one day and return to reality.
@@thygek.mikkelsen2324 You are quite right we are all victims of brainwashing in some form, some more than others of course. Same to you my friend
So you pissed off flat earthers and normal people.
Yup... Pretty much everyone.
Read exodus 21:20&21, no one should love a god who sanctions such
I understand where you are coming from. It is a very shocking verse, especially when viewed through a modern lens. Although there are many other theologians and religious scholars who could answer your question more directly. My response would be that you have to remember that the Bible is one unified story, even though it has many books and many authors. Taking things out of context of any story can lead to many misinterpretations or "not getting the full story". This isn't a religious debate channel, but I would highly recommend maybe looking up what the New Testament says about the old. Hopefully this helps you understand my viewpoints. I appreciate the comment, though!
Like a video and tell you said he'd believe in God kind of ruined it for me. Hopefully you will learn the truth
الله كبير
@@dakapo8985girth or length?
@@a.j.reilly6821 did i stutter? BOTH!
I understand why that may be. But all views are respected here. It's never good to discredit something or an opinion due to an opposing belief. Many art that I consume is filled with messages I disagree with, but I wouldn't say it ruins it for me. Rather I listen, and respect what they believe. But I do stand my ground with my belief. We need to be harmonious with peoples opposing beliefs.
Sorry, soapbox over haha. Regardless I'm glad you enjoyed the video and took the time to comment!