Ron, me and my buddy at work always joke that you are the father we wish we had haha. Thank you for all of your wonderful wisdom and knowledge, it has made me a better rifleman and a better man.
Interesting topic. And just like most things in the shooting and hunting world we continue all the way around and go in a circle, with new, popular straight wall cartridges with more pointy bullets in 350 Legend, 360 Buckhammer and 400 Legend. We are always necking up or down when a new case is introduced no matter how good the parent cartridge may be. Its a good thing to have all the options available to us hunters and shooters be they innovative new cartridges or reinventions of days of old.
Nice history lesson, Ron. I believe the invention of jacketed bullets was also a significant step in cartridge evolution. The lead bullets could only be pushed so fast before they started fouling the bore and/or stripping out the rifling.
Hi Ron. I just got done reloading some 32_ 40 rounds for my greatgrandpaps 1894. I contacted winchester. It was manufactured in 1898to 1899. It was blackpowder. Im reloading imr 4227 to original pressures. It is the first time ive fired since i inherited in 1970. That rifle is so accurate that i was impressed. The only limitations are the buckhorn sights. Im taking this rifle deer hunting next year in Pennsylvania. Im loading 175 grn hard cast flat nosed bullet from Montana bullet works.made for the 3240. After i get a deer with it. Then taking grandpaps 1894 30 wcf. Ill get 6 deer tags. Both rifles are for sale.10,000,000 dollars. Ill be wRm. I always wear grandpaps woolrich.coat. i love your channel. I hunt anything in USA with either rifle. God bless Ron. Its ok to call me old fashioned. Because I absolutely am.😊
I am. Shot the 32-40 again last weekend. My neighbor has a little shooting bench . I wonder why the 32-40 didn't stay popular.. hardly no recoil and at 100 yards I could not detect any drop. . About 2-3" groups at 100. . God bless Ron.
To me, this was fascinating, really great stuff. Despite being a shooter for 50+ years, there were several things I didn't know in this. For example, despite inheriting my grandmother's Winchester Model 1890 .22 short (which was required for her to attend summer camp in the early 20th Century) and having shot it so much I had to replace the barrel, I had no idea that the .22 short cartridge had such an important historical role. BTW, regarding this week's tip, what really helped my accuracy was loading a .357 Magnum cylinder with some .357 and some .38 and some empty chambers, then spinning the cylinder. I learned a lot about flinching that day. Thanks, Ron.
Flinching tip at 19:30….. Sight picture, Sight picture, Sight picture! Thats the mantra I tell my clients! Works all the time! Good job, Boss! Peace Be The Journey!
Really interesting video, i find the engineering and evolution of small munitions really fascinating. If you like content like this forgotten weapons has to really good videos on the whitworth rifle with hexagonal bullets that perfectly fit the bore and the 7.92mm cetme cartridge that somehow the germans managed to create to fit all requirements without compromise. It has an aluminium core with a copper sleeve. This cartridge allowed the cetme Modelo A to supposedly allowed fairly accurate selective fire out to very extended ranges. Thanks for posting, very well produced and presented Ron
Appreciate the comment on becoming a good hunter before becoming an expert in firearms. Unfortunately, hunting in many states has become nothing more than waiting for something to show up at a feeder.
Very nice to know the history of our cartridges! Can u review modern hunting calibers? Like the 8,5x55 Blaser? This one is a do-it-all cartridge with 300 Winmag velocity and a 338 bullet!
Misconception; the belt was for containing pressure, not so much, it was for head spacing, utilized on the same principle as a rim.The shoulders on those cartridges were not as defined or long as others to come. Chambers were expensive to machine as well.
Mentioning flinching reminds me of when I was in the USMC. I was sent to fire the 1911 at the pistol range. I couldn't hit the proverbial broad side of a barn. I found out I was flinching when I pulled the trigger and nothing happened except for me leaning into the expected recoil. I don't know if the gun broke because it jammed or jammed because it broke, but it was out of action. They got me a new gun and a few rounds later this one failed to fire. The second time I flinched less, but still had some work to do on that. The second failure was caused by the magazine spring breaking. Anyway, rather than breaking your guns, try mixing snap caps with live rounds.
I'd like you to do a video on the downsizes to the modern style bullets and ridiculous velocities (smaller and smaller diameters, higher and higher velocities, much more slender shapes). It's not all upsides. Consider what I mean when your hunting range is limited to about 250 yards.
Ron both of my 1894 rifles are 26" octagon barrels. I lived as a kid with my grandpaps. I never met greatgrandpaps. Im here to tell you my winchesters have a soul. They dont make tbem like that anymore. The rifles are almost identical. I wish i could have met both men. Now they cost 100,000,000 dollars. They are willed to go to my nephew Hunter. . Along with my m71,m1895. Im very proud of Hunter. Hes a Cottle. We work for a living . No freebees.
I think you're missing one more development in rifle cartridges. And that would be the steel base with the SIG fury. Increasing pressures to 80,000 psi. How well it pans out with barrel wear is something else. Good information Ron. I heard that Flobert rifles. But didn't know that that was the start of brass cartridges.
You are correct! The 308/7.62 NATO was based on the 300 Savage. When it was introduced in 1920 it matched the military 30-06 load of 2750 fps with the 150 grain spritzer bullet. It had everything that is considered great now; short cartridge with relatively little case taper and sharp shoulder. It’s criticized for its short neck and said to be difficult to reload but that’s not really true. With modern powders it’s very close to 308 Winchester. Works great in my Savage 99 as does 308. I’ve got 250, 300 and 308. 😊
I skipped many of the small steps, Perry. The 250 and 300 Savages were modifications of the 30-05, not major advancements in cartridge development. The 300 Savage inspired the 308, but wasn't absolutely the parent cartridge. When the military discovered the Savage couldn't quite do what they needed, they began reconfiguring 30-06 brass to accomplish it. And, or course, the 30-06 itself was based on the 8x57 JS Mauser going clear back to 1888.
Regarding flinching. When I was very young (about 5 years old) I was scared of loud noises like fire works or gunshots. My dad desensitized me by having me sit on a log and watch him shoot his shotgun. Then he started me on a single shot 22 to learn safety, sight picture, trigger control etc. and not to be scared of the gun. By the time I was about 8 years old I could shoot his Remington model 11-48 16 gauge at stationary targets with no problems regardless of what the school yard know-it-alls said about that gun knocking me on my butt. It was too big and I wasn’t old enough to carry a gun for quail hunting but that came later after I started on doves with Dad and Grandpa out on the farm. When I was in Jr High School in the mid 1960’s I did the empty gun trick to my best friend with a single shot 20 gauge. I don’t think his family hunted much if at all. They might have had a 22 but I don’t remember for sure. That’s over 50 years ago now. He’d probably heard all the school yard talk about how hard a shotgun kicks. When he pulled the trigger he ducked like there was incoming mortar fire! I remember it to this day. Probably not nice of me to have done that to him. We never actually hunted together as he was more interested in other things. He had a 20 year career in the navy working on aircraft avionics, mostly on aircraft carriers. He retired as a Master Chief. I don’t know if he had any small arms training in the navy but I assume he got over any noise sensitivity or anything that might cause a flinch.😊
Enjoyed the show as usual. Never given you a request so i thought i would today. Would enjoy you discussing the Allen magnums if you get the time. Thanks for the fantastic content good sir.
Great info! For the 30-06, I was taught at SDI that the 06 refers to the year 1906 when the US Military adopted that cartridge, rather than the year it was invented. Not that it's terribly important, but still interesting to learn about it nonetheless.
Ron detailed what happened. The original 30-03, adopted or introduced by the military ( however you want to say it) in 1903 with the 220 grain bullet, was modified between 1903 and 1906 by slightly changing the cartridge dimensions. Just a little shorter. Then changed to 150 grain bullet at 2750 fps. Originally there was actually a 30-01 cartridge used in the Springfield Model 1901 introduced to the army 1901 but never officially adopted. That rifle was similar in length to and other dimensions to the 30-40 Krag but obviously more powerful. I was then modified slightly for use in the 1903 Springfield in you guessed it, 1903.. It just took too much space to put Cal 30 ball M1 1903 on boxes, shipping crates and head stamps. 😂Thus it was caliber 30 of 1903 etc. 30-01, 30-03, 30-06. Happy hunting.
Hi Ron, great channel always a good vid from you. I know you always seem to do a this VS that caliber or rifle, well how about a two for one vid. Why not look into the rifles from World War 1. You have the English VS the Germans VS America VS Japan VS the French, and there are other I bet. Real sure all of them at this time they were all bolt action, so you could compare how each action worked the best, best shot groups at different ranges, which bullets were faster/slower and so on. Have a great day.
I was taught how to properly gauge distance using the elevation marks in the scope sight or by nearby objects. Once you get decent at that you wont need a laser range finder anymore.
The 6,5x55 is superior to the modern 6.5 creedmoor. The shape of the cartrigde is better suited for warfare and hunting. And, it does wery well in PRS competitions and other rifle shooting competitions in the scandinavian countries. Not bad for a cartrigde invented by Norwegians and swedes in the early 1890s.
Great presentation. I think it’s helpful to have the context with all of the new, whiz-bang cartridges Hornady keeps pushing out. I was under the impression that the .30-30 from 1895 was a really anemic, outdated cartridge until I got a Marlin 336 and started looking at actual ballistics. With modern rifles, powders, and bullets I wouldn’t hesitate to use the .30-30 out to 200 yards. Is .300 PRC “better”? Sure - but there are trade offs, starting with I love lever action rifles. There are a couple of verbal “typos” though, and one significant omission. The .45 Colt cartridge also came out in 1873. Kind of important because it was developed for the 1873 Colt Peacemaker revolver (a.k.a. “Single Action Army”). The Winchester Short Magnums fit in a short action *like the .308* (not like the .30-06). Also it was the .30-03 that was developed first with a round nosed bullet. I think you said .30-06 by mistake but could be wrong about that.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors no worries Ron! I don’t know if you have the ability to edit a video after it’s been posted. I only mentioned the “verbal typos” because you are so meticulous. You covered a LOT of ground in this video and I really enjoyed it. P.S. I have been accused of trying to pick fly 💩 out of pepper, so there’s that too 🤪
Loved this episode! Other than a couple of mistakes ( actually mis spoken) it was awesome! I love that bell!!! That is the coolest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Where did you get it? On the subject of “ older” cartridges, I was talking with a guy at our local gun range. He was lamenting the 30-06 and was wondering if it was worth buying one ( someone offered him a great deal on one). I told him the truth. The ONLY problem with the 30-06 and any older rifle is NOT the cartridge but, the barrel twist rate! I told him to buy the rifle and have it re-barreled with a faster twist barrel. Then he could say he has an 30-06 and have a rifle that can take advantage of modern bullets. Let’s face it. That is really the only difference between old and new cartridges. The older cartridges are only limited by the slower twist rate of the barrel they were designed for. I don’t understand why people “throw away” there old rifles. Have it re-barreled!!!! Use modern bullets!! Done!!!
Barbara, good advice, but there's no need to throw away most 30-06 barrels. They are usually 1:10 twist, fast enough to stabilize 220-gr. bullets (round nose.)
If you have one with a 1:10 twist then yes. Problem, according to Hammer and Hornady you need at least a 1:8 to Stabilize their heaviest bullets. PS: saw the 22-250/22 Creedmore video. I was going to build a 22-250 but, now I’m going to build a 22-250AI!!!!! Thanks for the info.
There hasn’t been anything really new in the cartridge world since 1894. Look at the specs of the 6.5x55 Swede and compare it to the oh so innovative 6.5 Creedmoor. All there is, is higher pressure, nothing more. The industry is milking 130 year old tech.
Is there any motion towards a 22 Magnum in a lead-tungsten composite? This round may only need a significantly shorter rifle barrel for the proportionally smaller round diameter. A shorter rifle could have an urban application as well as a slightly longer version having a sniper/ longer reach/higher accuracy capacity.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors yeah I just thought I’d clarify as there seems to be people that believe the .22 short is primer only? Anyways give Cubby a neck rub belly scratch whatever he likes…
I know you are well-aware of his contributions, but you skipped over two very important steps in the evolution of the modern cartridge. The 308 Winchester was a competitor to the 300 Savage, which was a 250 Savage, necked up. Charles Newton, the developer of the 250 Savage, created the first round to ever break the 3,000fps barrier. That is fairly common knowledge, but he also developed the 30 Newton, which used a larger case head and would have been much more popular, if the modern propellants we use today had been available, back then. The 30 Newton, shortened and fed with better powders, is essentially how the 300WSM came into being! When it comes to bridging the gap between the evolution of bottle-necked cartridges and truly fast cartridges, nobody played a more pivotal role than Mr. Newton. :) You also forgot the best WSM - the 325! 8mm Rem Mag performance from a short-action rifle! :)
everyone will be going back to the start of evolution as we cant get any primers or powder ... major reason why i went back to small calibers that dont use too much powder !!!
Which rounds will survive the test of time like the 45-70? That is, have a realm where it remains relevant. Yes, there are other very good cartridges that will stop big things with claws
Not sure which was developed first, but the 8mm German Mauser was put in service 1888, the 7.62x53mm Argentine (as it's best known) in 1889. But Mauser could have concocted it in his lab earlier.
@RonSpomerOutdoors I was thinking it was a few years earlier...like 1886, but I think you're correct. The difference was a year, and the Belgian Mauser was a model 1889. So I think you're right and I am incorrect!
Hi ron, reckon im ahead of the curve with a membership for now. Off topic a little bit but i just picked up a weatherby vanguard Howa action chambered in 300 wby for $299. Just too good of a deal to pass up. I really would like to hunt with the gun this season as its prettt sweet. Unless i get lucky and draw a missouri river breaks elk tag i will most likely just hunt deer this year. I was wondering if there is a particular grain of bullet you would recommend for it to do a minimum tissue damage but also be able to take advantage of the impressive ballastics of the cartridge. Should i even be worried about tissue/meat wastage with this cartridge? Sorry for the long winded question, im a huge fan and love all the content you put out here and on rsotv.
Strange how this works. No one would bother hunting in the west with slow, blunt-faced bullets, unless a puff of air was moving them. Or it was a handgun.
You're forgetting the true 8 mm that's actually 8 mm diameter the 325 Winchester short mag cuz the 8mm Mauser isn't actually technically 8 mm 7.92 and if you want to transfer that into Freedom fractions 323 bit of a difference Queen 323 and 325
300 Remington Ultra Mag is another inefficient Remington Cartridge, lots more powder than 300 Weatherby Magnum but very little difference in performance, really wish you’d covered 30-378 Weatherby Magnum which was Weatherbys the answer to 300 Remington Ultra Mag.
Absolute skipped a complete generation of guns. Not exactly sure when the first centerfire cartridge was made but in 1866 the us government took surplus 1864 Springfield's SECOND MODEL 'ALLIN CONVERSION in 50/70 government. Making the US Center fire service cartridge. In 1868 Sharps was converting thousands of 1859 carbines into 50/70. Also that year they started with new sporting rifles in 50/70 and 44/77. Lets not forget one of the most prolific arm manufacturers of arms in the United States Remington they were cranking out the rolling block by 1868. 1873 was when Winchester first introduced its first centerfire cartridge the 44 WCF in the 73 Winchester. I like watching you on TH-cam discussing the classic cartridges. New cartridges with all the hype are of about zero interest to me, I grew up with the hype of magnums in the 60's and 70's and have seen this hype before. Keep up the good work.
Interesting on the flip side the devolution of hunters who went from being capable of jumping from a tree with a spear to muzzle loaders to now grossly over weight guys puffing along to get within a half mile .
The 6.5 Creedmoor was not a advancement in cartridge design, but it definitely was an advancement in marketing by Hornady and good timing on their part as the shooting public was becoming much more interested in long range shooting. There was literally no reason for it to be introduced as the same thing already existed for ten years preceeding it in the .260 Remington. If anything, the .260 has slightly more capacity allowing for slightly more velocity. Hornady sure does have the marketing down. It's unbelievable how popular 6.5C, 6.5PRC, 30PRC, and 7PRC have become in such a short time...some immediately after introduction.
The 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser was doing exactly the same as the 6.5 Creedmoor over 100 years before. It just doesn’t have PR. When hand loaded to its full potential the Swede will leave the Creed in the dust especially with the longer, heavier bullets up to 160 grains. The Swedish Mausers M96 built by Carl Gustaf and Husqvarna were proof tested at almost 66,000 psi. It’s not a short action but it allows the bullet to be seated farther out to take full advantage of the 6.5x55 larger case capacity and more modern slower burning powders. Probably the only action that the 6.5x55 should not be loaded to full potential in is the Krag-Jorgensen which is why the SAAMI MAP is so low for the 6.5x55. Happy hunting!😊
@@davewinter2688 Good point. You are right...the main distinction being that the x55 doesn't fit in a SA. I've owned rifles in all three chamberings haha. In the x55, I've owned a Norwegian Krag, and a Swedish Mauser. I think the Mauser is stronger than the Krag as you mentioned, but I'd still probably reserve full power loads to modern rifles. My M96 is only 125 years old this year. 😎
@@azredneck7722 A lot of shooters don’t know that all the real “Swedish” Mausers were (Carl Gustaf and Husqvarna) required to be built with a special high quality, tough, Swedish formula steel. Even the “Swedish” Mausers built in Germany were required to use that special steel. Husqvarna built 30-06 and other higher pressure rounds on M96 actions for years with absolutely no problems. I have a Husqvarna M640 built on a M96 action in 9.3x62. SAAMI MAP on that is 57,500 psi. That’s probably about the same as what the higher velocity 6.5x55 are running at. I started learning about the technical aspects of the Swedish Mausers from a local real gunsmith with over 50 years experience. He’s one of those guys who has forgotten more about Mausers and firearms in general that most people will know. These old time gunsmiths are getting harder and harder to find. He builds rifles from the ground up. Not just putting AR’s together and calling himself a gunsmith.
I predict even more mentions of freight trains, sleek high BC's, do-it-for-you scopes, and people talking about hunting at 900 yards. Maybe after another decade, the stupidity will subside and people will realize they're being played like a fiddle by the industry and getting burned out.
Lets not glaze over the advancements in manufacturing technologies allowing for more accurate and precise rifle/chamber(s) and ammo. What once was "Match Grade", is now an off the shelf option for a very affordable price.
You somehow omitted the pinfire system which preceded the rimfire cartridge. I like your vids, but sometimes you don't seem to do your homework. Lots of bestguns in europe was made using this type of ignition system.
Great point! But I omitted pinfires because they were more of a side-show to the main progression, a dead-end if you will. Kind of like needle guns. Couldn't cover every step and misstep along the route!
90% of all hunters in the woods each year cannot take advantage of these high BC bullets due to lack of shooting skills and/or a place to practice at long range and verify your own trajectories. Game deserves to be taken cleanly rather than have some guy orgal that watches a lot of youtube channels and reads all about long range shooting on all the forums and wants to try it slinging lead and then never bothering to go check if the animal shows little or no reaction to the shot.
It’s up to US 10% to try and get that 90% to take hunting seriously and get the practicing in needed to be a good hunter and know when to shoot and know when to pass a get closer to the game! Hunting is not all about getting game it’s about getting close enough to make a good shot with a gun that fits YOU properly and being safe around others with a firearm! It’s also about spending time with friends and family out in the woods. It’s also about eating the delicious meat that is so healthy for us and sharing it with family and friends! Most of all it’s about the memories spent doing something that you love to do with people you love being around and talking about memories for the rest of your life! Shooting the game is but a small part of all that and as long as you put those things in there proper order you will ALWAYS have a good hunting season!
You are absolutely correct. Most hunters probably can’t keep their shots in the kill zone at much past 300 yards under real world hunting conditions. Cold, wind, rain, uncomfortable shooting positions, nerves (a.k.a. Buck Fever) all take their toll. Most don’t know how to sight in their rifles for maximum effective point blank range with a relatively simple or plain old reticle scope. These wannabe snipers who are using live animals for target practice have no real HUNTING skills. The uTube liars aren’t showing all the misses or gut shot animals that are running off to die a lingering death.
Ron you screwed up big for the 3rd time!!! Spain didn’t have spitzer bullets(for the third time)!!! They used round nose 173 grain!!! The advantages were the higher muzzle velocities and the stripper clip loading versus loose rounds the Americans had. America had spitzer bullets in 1906 while Spain waited till 1913. No spitzer bullets in the Spanish American war ok??? And yes you unfortunately get a downvote (I’m sorry I tried). The last time you said it wouldn’t happen again about a year ago and here we are again… We will take the “F” out of “Fudd”!!!
Dan, I have failed you once again! I wondered how long it would take you to catch this and remark. As soon as I said it I thought "oops, they were shooting round nose 173s in Cuba," but then I was too lazy to go back and fix it. Besides, leaving it in gives us the opportunity to "talk." Cheers. Let's see if fourth time's the charm.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsyou know I don’t have the heart to downvote me abd you called me on it!!! In all seriousness it was a great introduction to the basic evolution of the cartridge. I really liked it… Keep it up take care
Nit picking! It was still a higher velocity, bottle neck cartridge, more effective at longer ranges because of its flatter trajectory, easier to shoot because of lower recoil than the 45-70 or 30-40 Roosevelt’s dismounted cavalry was carrying. It changed the direction of military rifle and sporting arms development. I suppose you get everything right all the time.
@@davewinter2688 If it was an offhand remark ok nitpicking I get it. However he’s doing a video on the evolution of the cartridge. This is a historical presentation where facts definitely matter. To suggest we got devastated by spitzer bullets in 1898 just isn’t true. More importantly the difference between the cartridges was 200-300 fps faster with the Krag at a .331 SD versus 7mms .306. Now considering everything that’s not much flatter shooting? It’s flatter, but not like a spitzer 150 grain. The big advantage of the Mauser over the Krag is the loading procedure That clunky drop in loose rounds box was a nightmare troops dropping rounds. Remember this is during training that was sometimes literally an average of 1.5-5 rounds fired. Now the Spanish had stripper clips they could load 2 seconds or so versus 5-6 with the Krag assuming you don’t drop half of em.
completely skipped over the 2nd step in evolution of cartridges that was the Pinfire cartridge. American bias again!!! just because it wasn't made in America nor popular in America doesn't mean it should be left out of any list like this. do the job properly or not at all.
Tell us how you really feel🤔😳 and I suppose you know it all like everyone with your kind of attitude 🤔😳 Ron has forgotten more then you will ever know😱 I have been hunting reloading and collecting rifles 60+ years and you sound like some punk kid that just got his first gun so he thinks he knows everything🤔😳 why don’t you go play with your toy guns and leave the real hunters to watch a educational video!
Ron, I think you are starting to get too old for this. You misspoke so many times. I always knew what you meant, but newer people might get a bit confused. Maybe rethink things a bit.
Ron- I can tell you majored in English and NOT History. At least one your facts here are wrong. The 50-70 Government centerfire predated the 45-70 & 44-WCF by more than 5 years.. I believe it was chambered in the first Allin Converstion Springfield Trapdoor rifles in 1866. A year or so later Remington chambered the Rolling Block rifles in the round.
James, I defer to you as the history expert. I was not aware of that 50-70 development. But as far as not majoring in history, I fear that even if I had, the 50-70 would never have been brought up in class!
Ron never claims to know it all just trying to do his part in training all our new hunters about firearms and how they came to be and how we got to where we are today. I come from a 6 generation of hunters and having over 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles we are always learning something new and that’s what life is about learning new things and sharing it with others!
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Ron, me and my buddy at work always joke that you are the father we wish we had haha. Thank you for all of your wonderful wisdom and knowledge, it has made me a better rifleman and a better man.
I just said to my Wife while she was sitting beside me watching this episode that I wish Ron was my Grandpa. . .
Love that! Thanks so much. Now go mow the lawn.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors haha yes sir!
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My buddy and I
Interesting topic. And just like most things in the shooting and hunting world we continue all the way around and go in a circle, with new, popular straight wall cartridges with more pointy bullets in 350 Legend, 360 Buckhammer and 400 Legend. We are always necking up or down when a new case is introduced no matter how good the parent cartridge may be. Its a good thing to have all the options available to us hunters and shooters be they innovative new cartridges or reinventions of days of old.
Nice history lesson, Ron. I believe the invention of jacketed bullets was also a significant step in cartridge evolution. The lead bullets could only be pushed so fast before they started fouling the bore and/or stripping out the rifling.
Yes indeed. Sorry if I skipped that part.
Hi Ron. I just got done reloading some 32_ 40 rounds for my greatgrandpaps 1894. I contacted winchester. It was manufactured in 1898to 1899. It was blackpowder. Im reloading imr 4227 to original pressures. It is the first time ive fired since i inherited in 1970. That rifle is so accurate that i was impressed. The only limitations are the buckhorn sights. Im taking this rifle deer hunting next year in Pennsylvania. Im loading 175 grn hard cast flat nosed bullet from Montana bullet works.made for the 3240. After i get a deer with it. Then taking grandpaps 1894 30 wcf. Ill get 6 deer tags. Both rifles are for sale.10,000,000 dollars. Ill be wRm. I always wear grandpaps woolrich.coat. i love your channel. I hunt anything in USA with either rifle. God bless Ron. Its ok to call me old fashioned. Because I absolutely am.😊
Sounds like you're having a wonderful time with some grand old rifles with history and class!
I am. Shot the 32-40 again last weekend. My neighbor has a little shooting bench . I wonder why the 32-40 didn't stay popular.. hardly no recoil and at 100 yards I could not detect any drop. . About 2-3" groups at 100. . God bless Ron.
Love the history videos Ron ! Great job and thanks for the work
Glad you like them!
To me, this was fascinating, really great stuff. Despite being a shooter for 50+ years, there were several things I didn't know in this. For example, despite inheriting my grandmother's Winchester Model 1890 .22 short (which was required for her to attend summer camp in the early 20th Century) and having shot it so much I had to replace the barrel, I had no idea that the .22 short cartridge had such an important historical role. BTW, regarding this week's tip, what really helped my accuracy was loading a .357 Magnum cylinder with some .357 and some .38 and some empty chambers, then spinning the cylinder. I learned a lot about flinching that day. Thanks, Ron.
Good plan with your 357!
I watch. I listen. I learn. Thank you Mr Ron 🙏
You are very welcome
Flinching tip at 19:30….. Sight picture, Sight picture, Sight picture! Thats the mantra I tell my clients! Works all the time! Good job, Boss! Peace Be The Journey!
Ron for PRESIDENT!🇺🇸
Hell ya dude top comment right here
He is sure old enough, considering the rest of the options.
He'd fit in just fine. He's full of it just like them there politicians.
Hey Mr Ron it was good to meet you at shot show.
Fantastic video, Ron!!! I always learn something or think of something in a different light.....
Glad to hear it!
Really interesting video, i find the engineering and evolution of small munitions really fascinating.
If you like content like this forgotten weapons has to really good videos on the whitworth rifle with hexagonal bullets that perfectly fit the bore and the 7.92mm cetme cartridge that somehow the germans managed to create to fit all requirements without compromise. It has an aluminium core with a copper sleeve. This cartridge allowed the cetme Modelo A to supposedly allowed fairly accurate selective fire out to very extended ranges.
Thanks for posting, very well produced and presented Ron
Appreciate the comment on becoming a good hunter before becoming an expert in firearms. Unfortunately, hunting in many states has become nothing more than waiting for something to show up at a feeder.
Very interesting lesson and proud to be french. We had brains not so long ago
Man that was an awesome video, Ron. Very interesting and well presented.
Glad you enjoyed it.
That was an inspirational video. Thank you for all you do. Keep up the great videos.
Thank you sir Ron!
Very welcome
Excellent history lesson for gun nurds 🙂
Very nice to know the history of our cartridges!
Can u review modern hunting calibers? Like the 8,5x55 Blaser? This one is a do-it-all cartridge with 300 Winmag velocity and a 338 bullet!
One of your best videos. I really appreciate this channel with your old school character and educational content.
Thank you Sir.
I have used the flinch strategy for years in handguns with friends and family.
Misconception; the belt was for containing pressure, not so much, it was for head spacing, utilized on the same principle as a rim.The shoulders on those cartridges were not as defined or long as others to come. Chambers were expensive to machine as well.
Mentioning flinching reminds me of when I was in the USMC. I was sent to fire the 1911 at the pistol range. I couldn't hit the proverbial broad side of a barn. I found out I was flinching when I pulled the trigger and nothing happened except for me leaning into the expected recoil. I don't know if the gun broke because it jammed or jammed because it broke, but it was out of action. They got me a new gun and a few rounds later this one failed to fire. The second time I flinched less, but still had some work to do on that. The second failure was caused by the magazine spring breaking. Anyway, rather than breaking your guns, try mixing snap caps with live rounds.
Great history lesson. You're right, you can't buy your sucess with the latest greatest equipment.
Super stuff Ron.
Awesome video Ron. Keep up the great work 👍
Great information. Thanks!
I'd like you to do a video on the downsizes to the modern style bullets and ridiculous velocities (smaller and smaller diameters, higher and higher velocities, much more slender shapes). It's not all upsides. Consider what I mean when your hunting range is limited to about 250 yards.
This is surely Ron's best video yet. ❤
Ron both of my 1894 rifles are 26" octagon barrels. I lived as a kid with my grandpaps. I never met greatgrandpaps. Im here to tell you my winchesters have a soul. They dont make tbem like that anymore. The rifles are almost identical. I wish i could have met both men. Now they cost 100,000,000 dollars. They are willed to go to my nephew Hunter. . Along with my m71,m1895. Im very proud of Hunter. Hes a Cottle. We work for a living . No freebees.
GOTTA LOVE THE BULLET HOLES IN THE liberal PLACK BEHIND RON...!!!!!!
Another Awesome History lesson, Thank You Ron!
Very welcome
I think you're missing one more development in rifle cartridges. And that would be the steel base with the SIG fury. Increasing pressures to 80,000 psi. How well it pans out with barrel wear is something else. Good information Ron. I heard that Flobert rifles. But didn't know that that was the start of brass cartridges.
Well done..
Excellent video Ron. Thanks for sharing. 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it
Skipping over the 250savage and 300savage those were important in developing short action cartridges
You are correct! The 308/7.62 NATO was based on the 300 Savage. When it was introduced in 1920 it matched the military 30-06 load of 2750 fps with the 150 grain spritzer bullet. It had everything that is considered great now; short cartridge with relatively little case taper and sharp shoulder. It’s criticized for its short neck and said to be difficult to reload but that’s not really true. With modern powders it’s very close to 308 Winchester. Works great in my Savage 99 as does 308. I’ve got 250, 300 and 308. 😊
I skipped many of the small steps, Perry. The 250 and 300 Savages were modifications of the 30-05, not major advancements in cartridge development. The 300 Savage inspired the 308, but wasn't absolutely the parent cartridge. When the military discovered the Savage couldn't quite do what they needed, they began reconfiguring 30-06 brass to accomplish it. And, or course, the 30-06 itself was based on the 8x57 JS Mauser going clear back to 1888.
Very interesting! Thanks 👍
I loved this video
My dad left a chamber empty in the 357, still looked like the same recoil lol...quick simple lesson.
Regarding flinching. When I was very young (about 5 years old) I was scared of loud noises like fire works or gunshots. My dad desensitized me by having me sit on a log and watch him shoot his shotgun. Then he started me on a single shot 22 to learn safety, sight picture, trigger control etc. and not to be scared of the gun. By the time I was about 8 years old I could shoot his Remington model 11-48 16 gauge at stationary targets with no problems regardless of what the school yard know-it-alls said about that gun knocking me on my butt. It was too big and I wasn’t old enough to carry a gun for quail hunting but that came later after I started on doves with Dad and Grandpa out on the farm.
When I was in Jr High School in the mid 1960’s I did the empty gun trick to my best friend with a single shot 20 gauge. I don’t think his family hunted much if at all. They might have had a 22 but I don’t remember for sure. That’s over 50 years ago now. He’d probably heard all the school yard talk about how hard a shotgun kicks. When he pulled the trigger he ducked like there was incoming mortar fire! I remember it to this day. Probably not nice of me to have done that to him. We never actually hunted together as he was more interested in other things. He had a 20 year career in the navy working on aircraft avionics, mostly on aircraft carriers. He retired as a Master Chief. I don’t know if he had any small arms training in the navy but I assume he got over any noise sensitivity or anything that might cause a flinch.😊
Great stuff !
Great video, I had never really thought about this topic. Your presentation was great as usual.
Thank you!
Enjoyed the show as usual. Never given you a request so i thought i would today. Would enjoy you discussing the Allen magnums if you get the time. Thanks for the fantastic content good sir.
Great info! For the 30-06, I was taught at SDI that the 06 refers to the year 1906 when the US Military adopted that cartridge, rather than the year it was invented. Not that it's terribly important, but still interesting to learn about it nonetheless.
Ron detailed what happened. The original 30-03, adopted or introduced by the military ( however you want to say it) in 1903 with the 220 grain bullet, was modified between 1903 and 1906 by slightly changing the cartridge dimensions. Just a little shorter. Then changed to 150 grain bullet at 2750 fps. Originally there was actually a 30-01 cartridge used in the Springfield Model 1901 introduced to the army 1901 but never officially adopted. That rifle was similar in length to and other dimensions to the 30-40 Krag but obviously more powerful. I was then modified slightly for use in the 1903 Springfield in you guessed it, 1903.. It just took too much space to put Cal 30 ball M1 1903 on boxes, shipping crates and head stamps. 😂Thus it was caliber 30 of 1903 etc. 30-01, 30-03, 30-06. Happy hunting.
Great show! New subscriber here 😊
Back then , we French were top notch ! What happened to us ?!?! 🤣
Hi Ron, great channel always a good vid from you. I know you always seem to do a this VS that caliber or rifle, well how about a two for one vid. Why not look into the rifles from World War 1. You have the English VS the Germans VS America VS Japan VS the French, and there are other I bet. Real sure all of them at this time they were all bolt action, so you could compare how each action worked the best, best shot groups at different ranges, which bullets were faster/slower and so on. Have a great day.
I was taught how to properly gauge distance using the elevation marks in the scope sight or by nearby objects. Once you get decent at that you wont need a laser range finder anymore.
The 6,5x55 is superior to the modern 6.5 creedmoor. The shape of the cartrigde is better suited for warfare and hunting. And, it does wery well in PRS competitions and other rifle shooting competitions in the scandinavian countries. Not bad for a cartrigde invented by Norwegians and swedes in the early 1890s.
I'll give you a like just for the evolution meme😅
Ok Ron we’ll see how you do on history…if you get less than 2 mistakes/serious omissions you get an upvote so let’s dig in…
BTW.... another great video, Ron!
I appreciate that.
Primer and a BB.... Look what he started. Cheer's
Excellent video Ron!
Glad you think so!
Great presentation. I think it’s helpful to have the context with all of the new, whiz-bang cartridges Hornady keeps pushing out. I was under the impression that the .30-30 from 1895 was a really anemic, outdated cartridge until I got a Marlin 336 and started looking at actual ballistics. With modern rifles, powders, and bullets I wouldn’t hesitate to use the .30-30 out to 200 yards. Is .300 PRC “better”? Sure - but there are trade offs, starting with I love lever action rifles.
There are a couple of verbal “typos” though, and one significant omission. The .45 Colt cartridge also came out in 1873. Kind of important because it was developed for the 1873 Colt Peacemaker revolver (a.k.a. “Single Action Army”). The Winchester Short Magnums fit in a short action *like the .308* (not like the .30-06). Also it was the .30-03 that was developed first with a round nosed bullet. I think you said .30-06 by mistake but could be wrong about that.
Chipster, if I said the WSMs fit the 30-06 length actions, I surely misspoke. I must be practicing to become a politician.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors no worries Ron! I don’t know if you have the ability to edit a video after it’s been posted. I only mentioned the “verbal typos” because you are so meticulous. You covered a LOT of ground in this video and I really enjoyed it. P.S. I have been accused of trying to pick fly 💩 out of pepper, so there’s that too 🤪
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We have come a long way. Even in Reloading.
Loved this episode! Other than a couple of mistakes ( actually mis spoken) it was awesome! I love that bell!!! That is the coolest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Where did you get it?
On the subject of “ older” cartridges, I was talking with a guy at our local gun range. He was lamenting the 30-06 and was wondering if it was worth buying one ( someone offered him a great deal on one). I told him the truth. The ONLY problem with the 30-06 and any older rifle is NOT the cartridge but, the barrel twist rate! I told him to buy the rifle and have it re-barreled with a faster twist barrel. Then he could say he has an 30-06 and have a rifle that can take advantage of modern bullets. Let’s face it. That is really the only difference between old and new cartridges. The older cartridges are only limited by the slower twist rate of the barrel they were designed for. I don’t understand why people “throw away” there old rifles. Have it re-barreled!!!! Use modern bullets!! Done!!!
Barbara, good advice, but there's no need to throw away most 30-06 barrels. They are usually 1:10 twist, fast enough to stabilize 220-gr. bullets (round nose.)
If you have one with a 1:10 twist then yes. Problem, according to Hammer and Hornady you need at least a 1:8 to Stabilize their heaviest bullets.
PS: saw the 22-250/22 Creedmore video. I was going to build a 22-250 but, now I’m going to build a 22-250AI!!!!! Thanks for the info.
There hasn’t been anything really new in the cartridge world since 1894. Look at the specs of the 6.5x55 Swede and compare it to the oh so innovative 6.5 Creedmoor. All there is, is higher pressure, nothing more. The industry is milking 130 year old tech.
Is there any motion towards a 22 Magnum in a lead-tungsten composite? This round may only need a significantly shorter rifle barrel for the proportionally smaller round diameter. A shorter rifle could have an urban application as well as a slightly longer version having a sniper/ longer reach/higher accuracy capacity.
Nice. So maybe the 22-250 AI was ahead of its time.
#4 was also the best of the barrel burning of not careful.
Ron the .22 short had 4 grains of black powder!!! Not just primer.
Right. The original BB Cap was the powder only. S&W added the powder and stretched the cap to make the Short.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors yeah I just thought I’d clarify as there seems to be people that believe the .22 short is primer only?
Anyways give Cubby a neck rub belly scratch whatever he likes…
I know you are well-aware of his contributions, but you skipped over two very important steps in the evolution of the modern cartridge. The 308 Winchester was a competitor to the 300 Savage, which was a 250 Savage, necked up. Charles Newton, the developer of the 250 Savage, created the first round to ever break the 3,000fps barrier. That is fairly common knowledge, but he also developed the 30 Newton, which used a larger case head and would have been much more popular, if the modern propellants we use today had been available, back then. The 30 Newton, shortened and fed with better powders, is essentially how the 300WSM came into being! When it comes to bridging the gap between the evolution of bottle-necked cartridges and truly fast cartridges, nobody played a more pivotal role than Mr. Newton. :)
You also forgot the best WSM - the 325! 8mm Rem Mag performance from a short-action rifle! :)
everyone will be going back to the start of evolution as we cant get any primers or powder ... major reason why i went back to small calibers that dont use too much powder !!!
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Which rounds will survive the test of time like the 45-70? That is, have a realm where it remains relevant. Yes, there are other very good cartridges that will stop big things with claws
Mauser's first smokeless cartridge was the 7.65X53mm. I think BEFORE the 8mm (7.92X57mm) by the German Government.
Not sure which was developed first, but the 8mm German Mauser was put in service 1888, the 7.62x53mm Argentine (as it's best known) in 1889. But Mauser could have concocted it in his lab earlier.
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I was thinking it was a few years earlier...like 1886, but I think you're correct. The difference was a year, and the Belgian Mauser was a model 1889.
So I think you're right and I am incorrect!
Everything after .308 Winchester is superfluous.
404 Jefferey, Ron.
Hi ron, reckon im ahead of the curve with a membership for now. Off topic a little bit but i just picked up a weatherby vanguard Howa action chambered in 300 wby for $299. Just too good of a deal to pass up. I really would like to hunt with the gun this season as its prettt sweet. Unless i get lucky and draw a missouri river breaks elk tag i will most likely just hunt deer this year. I was wondering if there is a particular grain of bullet you would recommend for it to do a minimum tissue damage but also be able to take advantage of the impressive ballastics of the cartridge. Should i even be worried about tissue/meat wastage with this cartridge? Sorry for the long winded question, im a huge fan and love all the content you put out here and on rsotv.
Thanks Epix. Try a 165- 168 gr. Hammer or Barnes TTSX to reduce meat damage and penetrate deep or clear through. Best of luck!
Ron is right on! I have been reloading hunting and collecting rifles for 60+ years and found Ron is usually spot on when it comes to hunting advise!
The next possible step is the plastic cases already being made in the 308 caliber for the military.
6.8 Western
Hey ron what is your intro music
Do you think western states will ever legalize big bore airguns for game like Elk?
I do.
Strange how this works. No one would bother hunting in the west with slow, blunt-faced bullets, unless a puff of air was moving them. Or it was a handgun.
You're forgetting the true 8 mm that's actually 8 mm diameter the 325 Winchester short mag cuz the 8mm Mauser isn't actually technically 8 mm 7.92 and if you want to transfer that into Freedom fractions 323 bit of a difference Queen 323 and 325
Brenneke was far ahead of Weatherby.
It came out in the year thirty O six ? Not sure what year Thirty O Six was ? 1930 of the year O Six ?
375 PRC!
.300 PRC is based on the .375 Ruger.
what about the not so long ago planned army ammo, somewhere about 6.8 mm? Will USA or NATO use it, or it is/was a dead end?
300 Remington Ultra Mag is another inefficient Remington Cartridge, lots more powder than 300 Weatherby Magnum but very little difference in performance, really wish you’d covered 30-378 Weatherby Magnum which was Weatherbys the answer to 300 Remington Ultra Mag.
Absolute skipped a complete generation of guns. Not exactly sure when the first centerfire cartridge was made but in 1866 the us government took surplus 1864 Springfield's SECOND MODEL 'ALLIN CONVERSION in 50/70 government. Making the US Center fire service cartridge. In 1868 Sharps was converting thousands of 1859 carbines into 50/70. Also that year they started with new sporting rifles in 50/70 and 44/77. Lets not forget one of the most prolific arm manufacturers of arms in the United States Remington they were cranking out the rolling block by 1868. 1873 was when Winchester first introduced its first centerfire cartridge the 44 WCF in the 73 Winchester. I like watching you on TH-cam discussing the classic cartridges. New cartridges with all the hype are of about zero interest to me, I grew up with the hype of magnums in the 60's and 70's and have seen this hype before. Keep up the good work.
I was about to mention the needle fire but that was a non contained black powder type.
Still had a primer compound in the back of the bullet.
Interesting on the flip side the devolution of hunters who went from being capable of jumping from a tree with a spear to muzzle loaders to now grossly over weight guys puffing along to get within a half mile .
The 6.5 Creedmoor was not a advancement in cartridge design, but it definitely was an advancement in marketing by Hornady and good timing on their part as the shooting public was becoming much more interested in long range shooting. There was literally no reason for it to be introduced as the same thing already existed for ten years preceeding it in the .260 Remington. If anything, the .260 has slightly more capacity allowing for slightly more velocity. Hornady sure does have the marketing down. It's unbelievable how popular 6.5C, 6.5PRC, 30PRC, and 7PRC have become in such a short time...some immediately after introduction.
The 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser was doing exactly the same as the 6.5 Creedmoor over 100 years before. It just doesn’t have PR. When hand loaded to its full potential the Swede will leave the Creed in the dust especially with the longer, heavier bullets up to 160 grains. The Swedish Mausers M96 built by Carl Gustaf and Husqvarna were proof tested at almost 66,000 psi. It’s not a short action but it allows the bullet to be seated farther out to take full advantage of the 6.5x55 larger case capacity and more modern slower burning powders. Probably the only action that the 6.5x55 should not be loaded to full potential in is the Krag-Jorgensen which is why the SAAMI MAP is so low for the 6.5x55. Happy hunting!😊
@@davewinter2688 Good point. You are right...the main distinction being that the x55 doesn't fit in a SA. I've owned rifles in all three chamberings haha. In the x55, I've owned a Norwegian Krag, and a Swedish Mauser. I think the Mauser is stronger than the Krag as you mentioned, but I'd still probably reserve full power loads to modern rifles. My M96 is only 125 years old this year. 😎
@@azredneck7722 A lot of shooters don’t know that all the real “Swedish” Mausers were (Carl Gustaf and Husqvarna) required to be built with a special high quality, tough, Swedish formula steel. Even the “Swedish” Mausers built in Germany were required to use that special steel. Husqvarna built 30-06 and other higher pressure rounds on M96 actions for years with absolutely no problems. I have a Husqvarna M640 built on a M96 action in 9.3x62. SAAMI MAP on that is 57,500 psi. That’s probably about the same as what the higher velocity 6.5x55 are running at. I started learning about the technical aspects of the Swedish Mausers from a local real gunsmith with over 50 years experience. He’s one of those guys who has forgotten more about Mausers and firearms in general that most people will know. These old time gunsmiths are getting harder and harder to find. He builds rifles from the ground up. Not just putting AR’s together and calling himself a gunsmith.
What's the round second to last wobbling next to the 300PRC at 18:40 ¿?
The one second from his right side by 300 PRC, our left as viewers, is 7 PRC.
@@rosshill2565 TY gonna have to look up to learn about it now
@@rosshill2565 thanks that round seems good
Any predictions on what's next on cartridge development?
Don't know what's next but I know what's after that. Lasers.
The 8.6 blk is starting to gain some traction, basically the 300 blk big brother. Big fat slow bullet but hits like a freight train.
I predict even more mentions of freight trains, sleek high BC's, do-it-for-you scopes, and people talking about hunting at 900 yards.
Maybe after another decade, the stupidity will subside and people will realize they're being played like a fiddle by the industry and getting burned out.
I aways want to buy a new gun after watching these videos, but as Ron said need to work on being a better hunter
It’s the thing most lacking in the sport of hunting! Ethical hunters are the future of hunting if it is to survive!
Lets not glaze over the advancements in manufacturing technologies allowing for more accurate and precise rifle/chamber(s) and ammo.
What once was "Match Grade", is now an off the shelf option for a very affordable price.
Well I guess since nobody else is making that comment the 22 short is a Rimfire not a set of Fire but anyway😂😮
Lots of design.........lots of designers
Ok OK
I got a 338 magnum
But I will not sell or get rid of the. 308
You somehow omitted the pinfire system which preceded the rimfire cartridge. I like your vids, but sometimes you don't seem to do your homework. Lots of bestguns in europe was made using this type of ignition system.
Great point! But I omitted pinfires because they were more of a side-show to the main progression, a dead-end if you will. Kind of like needle guns. Couldn't cover every step and misstep along the route!
I'll never look at cavemen and evolution in the same way.....
90% of all hunters in the woods each year cannot take advantage of these high BC bullets due to lack of shooting skills and/or a place to practice at long range and verify your own trajectories. Game deserves to be taken cleanly rather than have some guy orgal that watches a lot of youtube channels and reads all about long range shooting on all the forums and wants to try it slinging lead and then never bothering to go check if the animal shows little or no reaction to the shot.
It’s up to US 10% to try and get that 90% to take hunting seriously and get the practicing in needed to be a good hunter and know when to shoot and know when to pass a get closer to the game! Hunting is not all about getting game it’s about getting close enough to make a good shot with a gun that fits YOU properly and being safe around others with a firearm! It’s also about spending time with friends and family out in the woods. It’s also about eating the delicious meat that is so healthy for us and sharing it with family and friends! Most of all it’s about the memories spent doing something that you love to do with people you love being around and talking about memories for the rest of your life! Shooting the game is but a small part of all that and as long as you put those things in there proper order you will ALWAYS have a good hunting season!
You are absolutely correct. Most hunters probably can’t keep their shots in the kill zone at much past 300 yards under real world hunting conditions. Cold, wind, rain, uncomfortable shooting positions, nerves (a.k.a. Buck Fever) all take their toll. Most don’t know how to sight in their rifles for maximum effective point blank range with a relatively simple or plain old reticle scope. These wannabe snipers who are using live animals for target practice have no real HUNTING skills. The uTube liars aren’t showing all the misses or gut shot animals that are running off to die a lingering death.
@@davewinter2688 Spot on!
Fiction
3006 it came out in 3006 I mean it came out in 19 06 yeah not a big problem you just mispronouncing it got confused😂
Ron you screwed up big for the 3rd time!!! Spain didn’t have spitzer bullets(for the third time)!!! They used round nose 173 grain!!! The advantages were the higher muzzle velocities and the stripper clip loading versus loose rounds the Americans had. America had spitzer bullets in 1906 while Spain waited till 1913.
No spitzer bullets in the Spanish American war ok???
And yes you unfortunately get a downvote (I’m sorry I tried).
The last time you said it wouldn’t happen again about a year ago and here we are again…
We will take the “F” out of “Fudd”!!!
Dan, I have failed you once again! I wondered how long it would take you to catch this and remark. As soon as I said it I thought "oops, they were shooting round nose 173s in Cuba," but then I was too lazy to go back and fix it. Besides, leaving it in gives us the opportunity to "talk." Cheers. Let's see if fourth time's the charm.
@@RonSpomerOutdoorsyou know I don’t have the heart to downvote me abd you called me on it!!!
In all seriousness it was a great introduction to the basic evolution of the cartridge. I really liked it…
Keep it up take care
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Oh I forgot. Please do make time to talk it’s the one of the most fun thing about you
Nit picking! It was still a higher velocity, bottle neck cartridge, more effective at longer ranges because of its flatter trajectory, easier to shoot because of lower recoil than the 45-70 or 30-40 Roosevelt’s dismounted cavalry was carrying. It changed the direction of military rifle and sporting arms development. I suppose you get everything right all the time.
@@davewinter2688 If it was an offhand remark ok nitpicking I get it.
However he’s doing a video on the evolution of the cartridge. This is a historical presentation where facts definitely matter. To suggest we got devastated by spitzer bullets in 1898 just isn’t true.
More importantly the difference between the cartridges was 200-300 fps faster with the Krag at a .331 SD versus 7mms .306. Now considering everything that’s not much flatter shooting? It’s flatter, but not like a spitzer 150 grain.
The big advantage of the Mauser over the Krag is the loading procedure That clunky drop in loose rounds box was a nightmare troops dropping rounds. Remember this is during training that was sometimes literally an average of 1.5-5 rounds fired.
Now the Spanish had stripper clips they could load 2 seconds or so versus 5-6 with the Krag assuming you don’t drop half of em.
completely skipped over the 2nd step in evolution of cartridges that was the Pinfire cartridge. American bias again!!! just because it wasn't made in America nor popular in America doesn't mean it should be left out of any list like this. do the job properly or not at all.
Somebody keeps there feelings on the outside huh..? 😢😅❤
Tell us how you really feel🤔😳 and I suppose you know it all like everyone with your kind of attitude 🤔😳 Ron has forgotten more then you will ever know😱 I have been hunting reloading and collecting rifles 60+ years and you sound like some punk kid that just got his first gun so he thinks he knows everything🤔😳 why don’t you go play with your toy guns and leave the real hunters to watch a educational video!
Are you talking about the Dreyse needle gun?
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Perfection or nothing, eh, Mountainman? Sorry, I'll never reach that level. You may keep the crown.
Ron, I think you are starting to get too old for this. You misspoke so many times. I always knew what you meant, but newer people might get a bit confused. Maybe rethink things a bit.
Ron- I can tell you majored in English and NOT History. At least one your facts here are wrong. The 50-70 Government centerfire predated the 45-70 & 44-WCF by more than 5 years.. I believe it was chambered in the first Allin Converstion Springfield Trapdoor rifles in 1866. A year or so later Remington chambered the Rolling Block rifles in the round.
James, I defer to you as the history expert. I was not aware of that 50-70 development. But as far as not majoring in history, I fear that even if I had, the 50-70 would never have been brought up in class!
Ron never claims to know it all just trying to do his part in training all our new hunters about firearms and how they came to be and how we got to where we are today. I come from a 6 generation of hunters and having over 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles we are always learning something new and that’s what life is about learning new things and sharing it with others!