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00:00 Intro
01:20 Mighty Lord Gao
05:20 Mitama the Oracle
11:30 Epicfest: S.Gao & G.Mitama
17:20 The Two Meowsketeers
22:10 Kasli the Scourge
32:40 Kasli the Bane...
50:10 Why is this even a problem
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EDIT: Oh crap the dasli killed my grandma bit made a bunch of the pop SFX desynced at the end LMAO I'M SORRY I THOUGHT I REVIEWED THAT okay please just ignore that
I thought the pop sfx is my phone acting up lol.
Sounds so familiar for some reason.........
Pop pop pop pop
I rember that dasli killed my grandma that from stream
Do you think they made iz weak to avoid another dasli incident
Maybe
Imagine having an entire sub trait designed to counter you, only for you to still be absolutely broken
Behemeth is just excuse for MonHun references lmaooo
What about countersurge ?
@@MilolaidusCounter surge does nothing to Dasli because she is surge immune. Every counter surge enemy is also already wrecked by Dasli as itself since Dasli still deals full damage to them.
If you want to avoid your other cats from getting blasted by counter surge, you can use the wide array of anti surge units we have that are all enough to get through every counter surge based stage in the game as of right now.
@@XskullDrSkull Or straight up use Dasli, who needs meatshielding for dead enemies!
@@XskullDrSkull Yep, that was kinda my point, i should have been more explicit. Ponos is trying there absolute best to counter Dasli with surge immune, countersurge and now even a curse immune baron and they still fail.
Honestly i don't know why they don't just nerf op units like any other game...
The long awaited Dasli essay has dropped...
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Now time for him to do the same with Phonoa lmaooooooo
@@minchy9094 Phowho’s on First. PhoWhat’s on Second. I Don’t Phoknow’s on Third. No Really what’s a Phonoa?
@@ultimapower6950 the funni uberfest guy
@@minchy9094 ok? Anything else to note?
You'r not the only one who cook 1+ hour in past month ya know
the discord problem is fixed?
~~wasn't the rare ranking vid more than 4 month ago?~~
wait what does this even mean
@@LucasIVYT Me maybe?
yeah that advent ranking video was 1h1min
I personally find Battle Cats to be becoming too easy nowadays and units like this being introduced is definitely one of the biggest reasons why I feel that way.
Strategy is put second to scale, gameplay and stats have devolved to “big number vs big number” game. I know this was starting to become a problem years ago, but stage strategy has become more linearized/ formulated by using X cat to counter X enemy, especially when we’re at a point where everything in the game is powercrept and every type of stage archetype has been exhausted from the years this game has been around.
Dasli was definitely the start of when this game shifted in its design philosophy. The standard for both stages and cats have grown in power almost exponentially which has created more unhealthy units like Uril true form and ultra forms. It just feels too much in a game that wants to be more simple.
Understandable, also, nice content, left a sub!
agreed.
Also let me point out the unhealthy amount of copy and pasted enemies that were put in this game. I'm not going after the doges, since they were built as a tutorial to counter those specific traits, but the behemoth enemies who were usually retextured (besides some of the behemoths like ariant and luza) ended up being either too hard or too ridiculous weak to fight (ex. Behemoth chick fil a, Relic iguana). Yet dark kasli would still be able to destroy them with the best possible lineup if there weren't any restrictions. Then we got sage enemies that were literally just retextured and updates were so frequent because of this, and dark kasli could still counter them too. If ponos really wants to make future enemies difficult, they have to meet the standards for end game players, which includes making the enemies built for end game.
Kinda like this, I feel like there are no balance in stages. Most stages are either to easy or too hard.
God I feel so lucky I'm at itf 2 moon and have Aphrodite true form , DASLI AND DAWNBREAKER IZANAGI
There is a sort of irony to all of this.
Mitama, the chosen servant of Cat God himself being blessed with a fun yet balanced kit making her seen as the best of the best, and making her loved by all, as if she was a gift of the gods.
while Kasli, being shunned from the dark and cruel society she was born in due to her curse. She grew up in a world that despised her, and because she never received the love, kindness and peace she deserved she let her hatred take over, giving her a unbalanced game breaking and brainless kit that led to everyone hating her, all because she became the monster they all said she would be.
thats actually a really interesting analysis. Imagine this was what ponos was thinking when designing her
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Me when my favorite gambling game have lore
How do i get lore from the units? Can’t seem to find them
Do you think that this happens because of the differences between JP and Global mindset? I feel like it's only us who whines about the game balance or shit while the JP players straight up embracing the brokenness. They always use anything that's broken. They have no problem with Ultra Talents or Ultra Form. And there is also cases where they just boost their Ubers to +69 simply because they want and can. I even watched someone spent 10k CatFood for Dasli.
JP Players generate easy money and naturally PONOS will design their units that will satisfy them.
I think that's partially it yeah. I was actually wondering too if maybe ZL is super easy because PONOS tries to accommodate for EN's no uber playstyle while also giving in to the brokenness that JP players want in modern units, creating this messed up balance where units are too strong but stages are too easy
@@LucasIVYT Yep, i think when you are as lategame as ZL, stages should be balanced around ubers and doing them no uber should just be a challenge. Like, who the fuck don't have a shit ton of ubers at this point anyway ?
But some toptiers ubers and ultraforms are just too broken, especialy at lvl 60.
I think the problem it that they are trying to make some 3 crowns UL stages manageable too. And 3 crowns UL is FAAAR harder than ZL.
@@Milolaidusi cant even imagine the hell that is going to be starred ZL
@@Original_Flesh_Panopticon late starred ul will probably be worse besides a whole new world and adherence to virtue
a 3* adherence to virtue would maybe be impossible
@@LucasIVYT Holy I never thought of that. I always see JP players having such ridiculous boosts on units and that makes perfect sense. The game is already in the dumpster when it comes to uber balance so just abuse that uber balance as much as you can.
Something PONOS can do I feel is probably rework either 2* or 3* to ban ubers so that way people who use ubers need to play the game in a more strategic way (even then we now have broken non uber units like Uril, Naala, Doron, etc.), and if not that, then just give in and balance stages around ubers (they're already doing that with every new UF released.) especially since I've noticed a shift in which now EN players are giving in more to the ubercarry mentality so it wouldn't be that bad to do whilst giving non uber players the challenge they desire.
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To put in perspective, I personally don't have Dasli, but I do have Blue Eye'd Asuka, which is basically a dasli with worse stats, less curse uptime, different immunities and colossus slayer, and she still absolutely wipes most stages.
Completely worth the wait for this. You always explain these so well, Lucas.
Yeah she is op, i got carried by her in sol and early ul. And she absolutely destroys most of barons.(I need to start playing without her lmao)
Dasli is really bad and should be removed.
Until i get her that is. If that happens, then shes an amazing balanced unit that should be buffed even more
I personally fucking agree and will stand by this until my dying breath
Bro is based.
Lmao I got her as my first Uber, I'm clearly a real pro player
51:47 this is the problem with Dasli and what I believe is the only problem about her, when it comes to a point where a unit invalidates literally 70% of this game's gacha content I can understand why it's hated, it's also the problem that many other cats face such as Courier for literally being god, best anti-behemoth best anti-red one of the best "mid-range" rare cats and how it literally murders early game. I think at one point people hated Octo too because of how he invalidated actually challenging and somewhat fun wave stages but PONOS adapted to it by changing wave stages design.
with that being said, I disagree on the "pay to get" point because it's genuinely easy to get any Uber you want in this game, you get Platinum ticket in CotC 3, Aku Realms and after every clear of a full SOL/UL story, not to mention the Gauntlet stages. If you "want" Dasli, you aren't gonna spend money on the silly cat game, you're gonna get down, grind Platinum Ticket (I'm aware it can be bought, I want to explain how to get her without paying) and use seed tracking for this opportunity. Ultimately it does bash into another one of your points, people grinding to exclusively get Dasli and steamroll the game, therefore going back into the criticism, at least it's not early game amirite? :p
I'm aware you could count seed tracking as cheating, that is the whole reason why I try and stir away from it, this is a gacha game so... **GAMBLE**. Like others said, I think it's fine to seedtrack once you're very into the game, 5 or 6 months or just as soon as the endless gambling gets tiring, me personally I'm just gonna suffer and try and get her from Epicfest.
also if you hate Dasli because "invalidates literally anything that is in a similar class as her" I'd say that Phonoa is in the same boat if not worse, strongest sniper uber in the game with one or two enemies that effectively counter him and appear often enough to do their jobs, having one single flaw that being traitless, I'd argue Phono is even more annoying because there is no real way of countering the guy, he doesn't rely on anything but stats and LD (nice one PONOS, can't wait for you to release the 900 range ZL boss next update to counter phonoa).
even after this long ah comment, I don't want to give off the wrong idea. I agree with most you said in this video.
56:08 "special grade curse-" Jujutsu Kaisen in Battle Cats?!?!?11?
I have played multiple gacha games before and in all of them my experience was hell, so for me seed tracking is for everyone at every point in the game, and its not like i really care for the *surprise* or something like that since i had this surprise only 2 times, and for me, just knowing im gonna get the good uber already makes me 5x happier than getting him by surprise lol
Dasli: Nah I'd Surge
Dasli: Stand proud Phonoa, you were strong
Eh wouldn't say Phono is worse than Dasli in invalidating certain units. While Phono is still a stupidly overtuned unit that is arguably even more braindead than Dasli, he has actual sort of detrimental weaknesses that you mentioned that can give a chance for other snipers to shine. Other powerful snipers like Daliasan and Aphrodite I've found uses for over Phono mainly due to those weaknesses. Meanwhile Dasli rarely ever gives chances for units to shine, maybe TF Uril on certain aku/relic stages, but it's a case of where Uril performs like 1% better than Dasli (Mainly due to the addition of slow.) whilst other snipers can actually do well on stages Phono struggles against.
@@Flont40 They both suck game balance wise, Phono is broken for 90% and so is Dasli. I really dislike how powerful these ubers are as they turn the game into 'click the light blue furry/black and blue woman button and win the stage!'
And this I think is also part of a bigger problem with the games gacha system as with it you have control over when a person gets dasli. If dasli was a legend unit at you could design the game around her so she's more fair rather than instant win button
Lucas, I'm truly enjoying this shit. Love the format, the narrative, the niche of being a Battle Cats historian of sorts... you probably can't cook many more videos with this format, but I'm sure every single one of them is going to be this good of a delight!!
Are you the strongest because you're Dasli or are you Dasli because you're the strongest?
It's honestly relieving to hear that a ton of players miss the strategy aspect of the game like me. I didn't really care much for dasli as there was still cool content on the side to play and discuss. It feels like battle cats has turned into this game of "own as many powerful units as you can" and there's nothing wrong with that, it first made me believe we were going to get more crazy and interesting stages. But when they release a spammable unit with the waterblast ability and the best they can manage is your average metal seal level and legit only metal cyclone and puffington that can be beaten by talented lolly alone if you want to. That's where I truly lost hope.
You know how back in the shadow gao days people used to use "uber-carried" as an insult, and showed off by beating tough stages without gatcha units?
We should bring this back but call it "dasli carried", and show off by beating stages with generally "underpowered" ubers.
"First we need to talk about parallel universes" genuinely scared me, I thought I was going on another 6-hour long study session on battle cats quantum physics 😭
Amazing video man! I completely agree with you. The main reason of why I hate her is, as you mentioned in the video, the fact that she outclasses 90% of ubers and gives little to no spotlight to slightly under average units. I also thought you were going to mention Asukasli, she may not be as strong as Dasli but she still is a problem. Her similar DPS, basically doubles the damage and skips the part of staking multiple Dasli at the beginning of a stage. BUT WAIT FOR PAPALUGA'S TALENT HELL YEAH MAN CAN'T WAIT FOR HIM TO RECIVE LV. 69 SURGE AND 100% DODGE AGAINST EVERY ENEMY (he is probably going to get KB resist and 2s slow)
The vid actually explained why dasli is broken really well! I always know why dasli is broken because of her stats but in never got the full explaination for it. This is a really good vid!
Just finished the video and this is probably one of your best videos yet. Personally I don’t use Dasli that much because she’s really boring and I have a lot more fun options but my main gripe is how she’s probably one of the main ubers that discourage NP/Dark eye investment into other Ubers because they won’t be as good as her or other top tiers. The gap between decent/solid/balanced Ubers and borderline broken niche or broken in general is significantly bigger now.
That is the main flaw of UTs/UFs in general especially with how scarce dark catseyes are in general. Why should I invest 1000 NP to make my Anubis a powerful generalist with great anti aku abilities when I can just dump those Dcatseyes into Dasli + save 1000 NP. UFs have less of that problem but it's still a problem since why should I invest 15 dark catseyes into Dioramos or Gigapult when Dasli just does what they do? No UT/UF unit can come close to the power of the SS tier units which means you're basically only getting them since you don't have the SS tier units, or you like the unit and want to see it shine.
Could not agree more lol. Just finished IDI, and the first problem with that is that I used esoteric uril (gained via dasli). I already broke my progression, and there's no way to go back. Then when I start UL again, I find my self using dasli for everything. Even puffington, which Idi was supposed to counter. When you asked what Ubers I use besides dasli, it's kinda just the top 4 best, and windy.
Dasli broken but I like watching enemies die
I mean, people get Idi in the wildest of times, you can straight go for her after beating Relic Bun Bun or wait till you beat Luza to get her. I see the latter more often since starred SOL is one of the most boring things to do in the game and I can't blame people for delaying Idi for that even if it's getting Luza and Uril before her.
I have Dasli and she saved me tons of time making line ups and she just straight up brute force through stages like it's nothing. However, after I watched some of your gameplay vids and spent some time helping my friend beat some hard stages I realized how bad I was without Dasli and she made the game way less fun for me. So, I started to try to not use her in every stage, used my other ubers, and actually learned how to strategize, the game has been more fun since. I still use her to brute force easy event stages and speedrun farm stages though, or else I'll just procrastinate to farm anything and just put her in my every line ups again.
Also, this video is amazing, you explained everything so well and the humor on top of that is just chef kiss, I knew Dasli was strong because of her high stat but I didn't know much more than that haha, truly an eye-opener.
Amazing video man
As many and you already said, Dasli isn't exactly the main problem. The game was already turning into "big stats vs big stats" and it was just snowballing more and more with every update. Dasli just junda marks a point of no return
It's a massive issue and honestly it cant really be fixed sadly (nerfs and balance changes, if anything, would just hurt the game more), but it can be compensated if Ponos would make some insane bold risks more often which will completely shake up the meta. They could an insanely hard advent with a new ability like Kappy Junior on release, they could make enemies summon other enemies or do poison damage overtime or heal or buff enemies around or literally anything. I really love battle cats with all my heart but this game really needs some big changes rn
I was really hoping the conjure ability would be that massive change which will shake up the meta but sadly as of right now all spirit abilities are the exactly same except with different debuffs. I REALLY hope Ponos would explore this whole "one-time-use ability" concept a lot more
I like how all of the abilities you mention are all in BCU
I love dasli(I have her)
I got her with ten tickets when people were still saying she was mid and I almost sold her for np. I am so glad I didn't do that
Same dude i pulled her from a random plat ticket when people thought she wasnt even all that good and were still confused abt the curse
I almost sold her for xp, glad i didnt but part of me wishes i had too
@@AliSarvghad She is so good and mine is level 60 now and is basically immortal and I just beat Relic Bun Bun in UL
i was recommended this as someone who has never played battle cats before and i still enjoy video :)
Being a Fate/Grand Order player she seems kind of similar to Artoria Caster (from now on referred to as Castoria), with the only difference being that Castoria is a "defensive" support unit.
In FGO you kind of have 3 different "levels" of defensive invulnerability and pierce buffs, with Evasion being pierced by Sure Hit, and Invulnerable being pierced by Pierce Invulnerable (which also pierces Evasion).
Castoria is the only unit in the entire game who can give the team "Anti-purge Defense" which is completely and absolutely unpierceable.
This led to a team archetype called "Immortal Comp" which consists of Castoria (mandatory), secondary gauge support (Merlin, Lady Avalon, Miyu), and Overcharge support (Himiko, Reines, Morgan)
The idea is that Castoria's Anti-purge Defense gives you one hit of invulnerability per level of Overcharge on her Noble Phantasm (super attack), up to 5 hits to each party member over 3 turns at Overcharge level 5.
With the extra gauge generated per turn from the gauge support, you can get enough charge to use every team member's Noble Phantasm in a chain every three turns, which leaves you with at least level 4 Overcharge, 5 if you're using Himiko. When the enemy at most gets to attack three times per turn and most of the time attacks only one target, that leaves you with an overall of *_15_* potential hits of unpierceable invincibility over 9 attacks from the enemy, which is refreshed every three turns.
This team setup can beat every single fight in the game that doesn't have excessive buff removal, without taking _any form of damage throughout the whole thing._ And any damage you _do_ end up taking is going to be healed away by your gauge support, since all of them _are primarily healers._ You can't even get stopped by debuffs or buff block because Castoria's Noble Phantasm is also a full debuff cleanse for the team. The only drawback is that you're using three supports, and thus you're dealing relatively low damage (unless you swap Himiko for Morgan who gives overall 4 hits of invul per ally in exchange for being an actual DPS) so the battle will last for quite a while.
She's pretty unanimously agreed upon to be the absolute strongest unit in FGO and the developers' biggest mistake from a gameplay standpoint. And that's not even mentioning what her skills do. To put it into perspective: The Immortal Comp I just talked about will usually finish a difficult quest in about 40-50 turns. The average clear time of most quests when you use your own Castoria, a friend's Castoria, and a DPS... Is about 3-4 turns. _Maybe_ 10 for super difficult quests.
LOLL thats actually pretty funny, invul for all is insane
Yeah and the game also tries to "balance" so many future challenge fights by having buff removals enemies, etc just because how broken she is and ps. she still broke those fights too
51:30 Actually kinda true. I do use the melee units and specialists (especially Anti-Zombie, and Izanagi is also great at trivializing specific enemies [Izanagi is insane at trivializing certain stages btw. He can bloody break UltraBaaBaa Barrier]. And obviously anti-metal) as mentioned, but also debuffers.
Also Surge Immune enemies don't counter Dasli when only a few enemies in the stage are Surge Immune, since Dasli just kills everything else. It's like having Massive Damage against non-Surge-Immune enemies
I remember, I got Dasli very early on. Like I had completed the first EoC and ITF and was towards the end of SoL 1 Star. Back then I had few Ubers but still had some good ones like Catman and Jizo. As I used her, I realized how absurdly broken she was, my feeling of having fun quickly turned into a feeling of doing a chore where you send out Dasli and just spam meat shields nonstop. For me it cumulated in the stage, Swim Meet in SoL which contains only aliens. At first I tried it out with Catman and was excited to use him after a long while but I lost due to Catman missing a bunch and my meat shields being weak. Then obviously, Dasli steamrolled the stage. I thought to my self this is stupid. She is literally better then the unit with 4 times damage vs Aliens So I decided to put a 'Dasli Ban to actually enjoy my experience playing the game.
That was a bit ago and now I have almost completed UL 4 Crown and I barely used Dasli after that. But tbh I like Dasli. She is that unit that is like a cheat code. There is a satisfying feeling of destroying a stage with her after you try and couldn't beat it whatsoever. I remember using to beat downright unfair stages like Jagando Invasion without Cactus and 3 Star Kuala Lum Pool. She literally breaks the stage design with Curse and her immunities for particularly annoying stages. She is like the final card in your deck that you send out when shit hits the fan. I like a character like this in Video games. A great analogy is Alien X from Ben 10 for her if you have seen that show.
But honestly, Dasli doesn't even seem like the be all end all of the game anymore. Another unit I got much later on was White Phono which also I decided to ban for same reason as Dasli. Those two units were the only two I still don't use but there are a lot of units that deserve the same treatment. The game has truly undergone monstrous power creep.
There are Level 60 Ultra Forms and Ultra Talents, Balrog and Dark Phono that similarly breaks stages, Boosted gacha Rares and Super Rares that also similarly to Dasli outperform specialists, specialized meat shields for almost every trait, Uril True Form, not to mention the UL Legends true forms which have legitimately made Relics a free trait. Nobody talks about it anymore but Relics are lowkey the most powercrept trait in the entire game. The absurd combo Ubers which further boost your boosted Gacha units. Amongst all this Dasli doesn't even seem that special anymore. Don't get me wrong, she is still game breaking but honestly she isn't the only one doing that anymore.
It really feels like our cats have gotten too strong and the enemies are the ones not able to keep up anymore.
I always love these better produced and edited videos hope you do more
Great video! I dont have have dasli but want her after watching this, i uber carry with daliasan and yukimura and those units are already pretty broken i cant imagine having an even more broken generalist line up. I hope you make more of this type of content it was fun to watch.
As an *older* player, I loved your Abe Simpson 'old man yells at Dasli' 😂 Great video, spot on with all points. I got Dasli shortly after finishing SOL and I feel like she made UL a breeze. Although it was a nice reprieve from a long time of struggling! So basically I'm glad I got her ❤
Honestly this video is great, the rant about dasli is nothing new to me so I knew most of the stuff that makes her broken but seeing a mi I timeline of the games story is so fun, idk about other people but I enjoyed the first half of the video a lot.
About dasli: tbh the reason I dislike her is has less to do with how it affects the game and more so how it affects the player base, unlike some other broken units you mentioned like mitama, yukimura and even balrog, you still need to think on how and when to use them, like mitama and her LD, or balrog and his single target, and yukimura with his suicidal rush, they break the tale but you still need to think in order to profit from their pros, but dasli has so little real downsides to her that you just have to send her out and you usually will win, leaving people so many people with the “how do I do this stage? It’s impossible my dasli can’t do anything here!” and with how crucial the start is to the rest of the game, they just don’t learn well many of the mechanics or level up important units because they can just send out dasli and win, and that makes the game so fucking unhealthy in my opinion.
(Of course she also ruins game balancing a lot by leaving a lot of Ubers in the dust, tho late game balance is broken even without her so that’s PONOS fault imo)
-is that manic eraser placed before eraser in the unit lineup eww-
For some reason, I really like the nerdy discussion/analysis videos - they are always very entertaining, even though I sometimes already know about the topic being discussed
I started to play BC at around December 2019, so I was in the perfect place to witness the sheer destruction Dasli brought on the uber meta. It is quite saddening to see how she singlehandedly invalidated most of the uber roster, not letting unique and interesting units have their chance to shine. Remember that stream where someone suggested that *Amaterasu* was in need of Ultra Form/Talents? Obviously that is an outrageous thing to claim, but I think I know why that person made such a claim - it is probably because they use Dasli so often that they rarely ever use any other uber, thus not knowing how truly overpowered Amaterasu is.
I actually have a theory behind part of the reason why PONOS made Dasli so overpowered - they didn't know what they were doing. Let's look at another outrageously powerful unit: Courier Cat. Courier was one of the first units to receive Behemoth Slayer. At the time, the only thing remotely similar to Behemoth Slayer was EVA/Witch Killer, abilities which did not have the slightest bit of balancing due to being mainly uber-specific abilities intentionally designed to absolutely destroy their respective targets. Thus, PONOS had no idea how to balance Behemoth Slayer's multipliers - so they made it much, much more powerful than Strong, Massive or even Insane Damage. Big mistake. Ahirujo gets absolutely wiped off the plane of existence, and you know the rest of the story. A similar thing likely happened with Dasli - she was the first to receive Surge Immune and Curse (for cat units), so PONOS had no idea how overpowered those abilities truly were. (How did they not catch that during playtesting, you may ask? When Dasli was first unleashed on this world, someone {might have been Xskull, not sure?} saw Dasli and said that she was a bit less powerful than Kasli. If even the community did not initially recognize how truly overpowered she was, there was no way that a company as incompetent as PONOS {shows photographic evidence of the hundreds of spelling mistakes in Battle Cats} would be able to catch it. Tangent over.) Yes yes, those are obviously not the only reasons she is broken beyond belief, but it is one of the reasons I can think of. That combined with being fortunate enough to receive absolutely busted stats created a perfect cocktail for hell.
I think it's also that they don't care, like no matter how much we whine about dasli PONOS' profits will be the exact same
I have Dasli and my dumb ass is still loosing left and right
As a Dasli user, even though I have dasli I try my hardest to not only use her for everything, I try to use all my ubers and units, I love having a God of death on my side but I also love using crazy strategies to beat stages, so I totally agree with all the points you made, amazing vid lucas :>
Ok.........
Kasli the Bane is a very powerful unit when it comes to stats. The combination of high health and 5 knockbacks leads to her staying alive for a long time when summoned. Thanks to the powerful Surge, she is also able to deliver high and consistent damage to midrangers and backliners, such as Le'noir and R.Ost, while also intercepting incoming peons and keeping enemies that are extremely easy to knockback at bay, such as Gory variants, Brollow, Rain D. and Mr. Puffington. Lastly, she can even be used for "base trapping": if you have her hit a base and trigger a boss wave, her Surge will instantly hit and severely cripple anything that comes out, sometimes making a massive difference. Just remember that due to her blindspot and most of her damage being concentrated in the surge, she will not perform too well against Zombies, short ranged pushers like Bore or One Horn, as well as surge-immune enemies. However, a tanky unit can cover her blind spot, making her usage even more viable.
Damage isn't all she has though: her Curse ability lets her disable enemies' Knockback, Slow, Freeze, Weaken, Warp, Curse, Dodge Attack and Toxic abilities. Since it has good uptime, this makes her even more useful against enemies with annoying abilities like Super Metal Hippoe, Li'l Doge, Crazed Axe Cat, Henry, Winged Pigge, Gobble, Heavenly Herald Papuu, Bakoo and all Relics. There are, however, rare instances in which her Curse ability can be counterproductive, such as against some units with Warp, who would become unable to warp any attackers they reach to safety. This is most notable against Final Boss Giga God.
Her immunities to Wave Attacks, Warp, Curse, Weaken and Surges
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Extremely quality video. Good work.
Extremely well put and a very interesting look into how power creep can really sour a game, I personally feel that when numbers start getting bigger and bigger, the games start to become just that, a numbers game, of course it's much more complicated than that, but another game I feel has had the same "issue" is Monster Hunter, where before positioning and knowing the blind spots of the monsters was key, nowadays it's more about countering and not getting hit at all, which makes the game completely different and far from what made it click for me in the first place.
I still love Battle Cats, but I do not use Dasli unless I'm completely stuck in a stage.
Worst part is that PONOS has noticed this surge (ha ha) of powercreep happening on the meta of Battle Cats and have been trying to deal with it. They've added a good chunk of surge immune enemies, but not enough to entirely invalidate Dasli. Then later they added Counter Surge in which we know how that turned out. All the recent solutions they've had to recent powercreep has failed spectacularly especially since back then they were able to give the best ubers in the game some sort of weakness even if it needed to be added in. (Jizo for example was tuning stage design to where it's less peon spam based and more few big threats based which is a philosophy Jizo is way less powerful against and Mitama with Relics that can shutdown her slow with curse, ofc only Loris and Golem Sunfish really succeed in doing this but point still stands.)
I have literally drawn her 6 times. I have no fucking clue how. I don't really use her unless I just wanna breeze through stages for the reward rather than actually play them. I used to be a "just use dasli" kinda guy, but I've genuinely enjoyed the game so much more after I stopped using her for everything. I got really burnt out from the game, and your returner mode series not only got me back into the game, but got me to try and be more creative with what units I use and I've had a lot more fun, so thanks. I don't really hate dasli like you do though, I still think she's pretty cool, but I do understand where you're coming from.
Thank you for posting this right after i get back on the game i appreciate it
I left Battle Cats probably around a year ago because I just didn't wanna wait to grind stones. But somewhat recently, I got hooked on Arknights (This is why I am commenting under my AK youtube channel and not my main). Existing in your discord server purely for the emotes, it would be somewhat safe to assume you are also somewhat familiar with Arknights.
Arknights has, *the exact same fucking issue*. A good chunk of recently released meta 6-star operators that trivialize the game. This leads to players becoming over-reliant on this powercrept meta, which leads to them not having the proper skills to deal with harder content that these busted 6-stars don't trivialize (like Dasli). This also leads to a very negative and binary judgment when it comes to Arknights. An operator is either "good" or "bad", there is very rarely nuance on the discussion on how an operator can be used. And frankly, due to the higher player interaction within a stage of Arknights compared to Battle Cats, there is a lot more room for players to make less powerful operators much better, just due to player skill.
Pretty much everything you said in this video can apply to operators like Mlynar, Eyja alter, or Ch'en the Holungday. Operators that don't promote creative play and break general game balance, leading people into a very simplistic metagamey mindset. Most gacha games probably just *don't* have this issue since they had braindead powercreep from the start. But when you have a genuinely good gacha game, a single hint of imbalance can completely throw off what good was going for it. Now all of a sudden, the game is no longer about strategy and is now about grinding until you have Dasli and then using Dasli because some youtuber or reddit tier list told you to do so.
I'm probably on the side of the "I like game design, so its cringe to see a decently balanced game just be ruined". Back when I played Battle Cats I would rarely use ubers, and if I did, it would be either because I just find the unit fun, like Kai, or because I am stuck on a stage and don't wanna deal with its BS. Or I'm doing a farming stage and want to get it done asap. I enjoyed the strategy and micromanagement of Battle Cats, and its the same appeal for Arknights, which is why I find powercreep all the worse. It creates a community of players that is no different from every other gacha game (yes I know sharing a playerbase with braindead gacha games is unavoidable but I'm sure you get the general point). Discussion is no longer about strategy but about relevance and meta, which is disappointing, because now the playerbase is less focused on individual growth and triumph, and more focused on a collectivist mindset of appealing to an objectively correct way of play.
Of course though, this isn't everyone in said community, there are loads of players in AK, and I'm sure BC too that just despise the idea of being forced to play around the metagame. I'm more talking about the general playerbase at large here.
tl;dr THE THING YOU SAID APPLIES TO THE THING I LIKE TOO!!!!!! THIS IS EPIC GAMER STYLE!!!!
BC players migrating to AK like you and Zafang only to be caught with the same balancing issues
I don't think it's possible to avoid this level of creep in any gacha. This is just the nature of the genre and how it's monetized
As someone who nearly soloed the boss of dorothy’s event using Texas alter and yato alter, I agree with this statement.
I've been playing gacha games for a decade almost and it seems like this thing always happens at some point as for some reason gacha devs are scared of doing balance patches like *literally* every other game does. FGO became a broken unbalanced mess after Castoria, Arknights did it with Texalter, HSR with Jingliu, BC with Dasli, etc etc.
At this point I just stay as far away from gacha game talks as possible 'cause I already know that it is basically impossible for it to not have a meta-slave mentality and have to restrict myself from ever using meta units as they are bound to make me enjoy the game less (my pot 2 Yato Alter has been gathering dust for months now and I'm not gonna change that).
Genshin is still in the clear after almost 5 years.
The devs are really REALLY trying to maintain balance.
The biggest problem with dasli is what she started. When you make a unit like her, so strong, all other units have to match her in power as well otherwise they become obsolete.
Lol I played BC from like 2017-2018 and then redownloaded in like the pandemic and my account was so blessed. First rare ticket was a luminalia, and then also after that my first ever time rolling for epicfest I got a Dasli. I was honestly so shook at that, and it for SURE expedited my progression by stupid amounts. But at the same time, I kinda like that Dasli can kinda speedrun the early part of the game that can be more tedious and boring, bc I thoroughly enjoy the strategy aspects of late and end game content. Once I got to mid SoL, I kinda only used Dasli as like a last resort option if I was having trouble with a specific stage.
Seeing my friend breeze through floor 30 with Dkasli without even realizing it was a special stage made me genuinely sad. I remember spending all night trying to best that stage and near the end my heart rate would spike but I would have to keep focus because one simple mistake could end me. Now it’s just Dkasli go brrr
A 57 minutes Lucas video? I'm in heaven?
angel spotted, deploying 50 ramen cats
As a player who owns Dasli, she’s extremely powerful and the reasons as to why are her high stats for her role and other details, which you have clearly explained. Although I got Dasli like at mid-late SOL, I managed to develop skills and also use other, good non-gacha units or other Ubers. Overall, to challenge myself, I use Dasli as a last resort.
Good video btw!
haven’t played this game in like 3 months but im about to watch every second of this
those 2 were literary my first fest exclusive ubers. mitama -> dasli
I was disappointed because i was always aiming for both versions of gao. I'm glad it turned out this way because i ended up loving those 2 more than i could ever imagine. they are the backbone of my team.
I had Dasli on an old account trapped on my phone that needed a factory reset and I still remember her destroying dark ottas with ease. I don't remember what other mileage I got outta her, and I'm glad there hasn't been a need to roll on either fest since I restarted a while back.
This format of video is really good 👍
Thank you for making this I enjoyed
I got dasli when I used my first platinum ticket ever (from anniversary rewards), and immediately used her in everything, carrying me through SOL. But then I realized I had a lot more fun when i wasn't using her, and instead using a single obscure uber per stage (sodom my beloved). I got very lucky with getting her but I almost see it as a curse now (get it). I have a free win button now and whether I use it or not I feel like I'm doing something wrong. All of my friend use pull trackers to get broken units, a couple getting dasli, and the reason I convince them not to do it is just this. Running through UL has been so fun trying to find stages where I instead use a specific niche uber or strategy.
ik people usually say to never scrap ubers, but seeing stuff like this, I won't hesitate to sacrifice dasli for np.
as someone who got dasli legit and used her loads I have to say, she is waay too strong and i became over reliant on her and the game became really stale but your returner mode opened my eyes and I haven't used dasli in months and the game is sooo much more fun using not the best and using like b or c tier units and this video, my god , it was amazing, all points I agree with and I've been playing the game for like 8 years at this point on and off and I think this video needed to be made because we need the next chapter of battle cats to be like the old days and be more fun :D
ok, seeing the run time gives a whole new context to all the feeling behind every time i've seen you explain to someone why 12k ld dps is broken
Lovin the TEVI soundtrack being used
Its been 2 years since i consistently play battle cats, and the fact dasli is still a hot topic is so funny for me. Love the video essay tho
Haven't played this game for over a year but yeah she is op. I only use Kasli (for her first) as a last resort cos of how op she is (and only because I was new to the game and haven't tested out the good non-uber units yet). Got kasli on my first uberfest roll (was at eoc2) and dasli after completing cotc3. It's so good that I decided to go uberless on ZL and see how far I can go. As of the time I last played, I got urs
I see plenty of people who want to stop using certain broken ubers but can't seem to quite be able too. Wether it is inexperience of using some ubers, to simply not wanting/able to invest in other ubers. Convinience sometimes makes matters worse.
I've been playing this gamr since like 2016. I have lost my account many times and last time I started a run, I tracked for Dasli and Phonoa.
I got to like ZL 8 in two or three months. I beat around everything with just Dasli, Phonoa and courier. That's the level of powercreep this game has received. It was fun tho.
You releasing a long video is such a gift.
No way, Creeps20 video but Battle Cats, that's crazy
Dasli, truly the Pokra of BC
Mobile game nerds who talk about unit game design. Truly one of my favorite genders.
Haters be hatin'
Dasli be Daslin'
i thought she was just normal kasli but with no rng knockback and surge immunity... well it makes sense now why shes considered to be best unit in the game cuz shes just simply stronger of a unit thats already strong. this is really awesome video when it comes to explaining balancing. cant wait for dark kasli 3rd form (haha never)
i do think the only way you could make someone more broken than her is just to make her a sniper long range unit instead of just normal long range unit. but honestly i just like my sniper units and idk if this would actually make things better in end end game.
Super interesting analysis! Although when looking at this stupid broken Uber meta that we have I think there’s more than Dasli, realistically she really embodies every trait (hahah) in a unit that really breaks the game.
I was wondering your thoughts on degenerate SRS (deadeye, cyber, can can, etc) as post talents outside of insane stages like Gauntlets, 3 Star UL (sometimes) or Socrates I feel like degenerate srs ruin the game for EVERYONE, as well as courier doing the same for the entire early game and making an entire subtrait very boring.
Another thing: what do you think can be done to fix this? Considering how rarely ponos changes stuff I have long lost hope for a Courier/Behemoth rework or Dasli nerf, so what’s left?
(Not even to mention Uril and UL legends DESTROYING relics…)
I got Kaza Jizo at one of the three first chapter of the game (don't know excatly because it was 2 years ago) and Dasli around "Into the futur".
I have a lot of fun (just personal experience) especialy when i dont see informations about the game and i have tested most of units i have (sorry collab super rares) for some examples i use some under power units who i have good feeling with them , or just discover how this unit works.
For compare me with players who dont have broken ubers, in general i have futher away than others in the game but because sometimes i was too early against some stages , for me ther is enough challenge even if i use lot dasli and don't ignore that she is broken.
I was saving rare tickets for some time, because I didn't know what do I want. I have accumulated about 150 rare draws (w/o cat food). Then Dkasli came out and I liked her design, also I heard that Epicfest-exclusive units are great, so I decided to use everything I had there. I got Shadow Gao and he was already a lot better than anything I had. I used him everywhere. On the next Epicfest I got Dkasli. At that point I already knew that she was broken, but i wasn't expecting how much she would outshine Gao. I still use him almost in every level, but Dkasli is always my go-to main attacker.
Also, for the question in the video, I use a lot of other ubers, Dkasli cannot solo levels. Even Dkasli/Dgao with meatshields doesnt work on many levels. Yes, they make levels easier, but specialists doesn't lose their roles completely
To me it's insane that even after all these years and new other broken units like Phono, Dphono, Level 60 Balrog, and now Izanagi Dasli still remains no1. Dasli just has every tool you'd want in a backliner really. High bulk, high damage, a CC (curse, and yes Dasli's curse is actually useful, there are so many stages Dasli shuts down primarily due to her curse.), and works against 95% of enemies in the game with her only struggling against surge immune enemies in which she can still at least perform against them. She destroys more traits better than Izanagi and Phono ever could (the 2nd and 3rd best units in my testing respectively) and has a surge that allows her to juggle enemies around. Once people figured out how busted surge really was, her placement went from like maybe top 3 to instantly no1 with no ubers able to get back that no1 spot till Phono which ended up still being 1% worse than Dasli lmao. Hell her damage output when boosted by Dcatseyes allows her to brute force 95% of 3* UL stages so that comparison of Mitama potentially being better in select 3* stages is just wrong, and Mitama has vulnerabilities to surge, Loris, and Traitless which combined makes her struggle on a surprising amount of 3* UL.
I think Epicfest was always gonna need to shift the power level of the exclusive units on there especially recently since PONOS has been giving more anti traitless options both non Epicfest uber and non uber in general. (Cop Cat, Hitman, Jagando, Issun Boshi, and Snow Miku are the ones off the top of my head.), but the main problem is that it comes to a point where they outclass their Uberfest counterparts. Dasli is the obvious example somehow being the damage dealer between her and Kasli whilst having an insane CC, but Iz the Dancer of Grief and DPhono both are arguably more versatile than their Uberfest counterparts with being focused more on utility than damage in which there are less of. Ofc they went back on that design philosophy after how broken Dphono and Dasli ended up with Izanami vs Izanagi, but now people really don't like Izanami due to having 0 non traitless niche over Izanagi to the point people say she's "mid" (overexaggeration, but yeah even Dark Garu and Nobiluga outdps her). Epicfest is kind of in an awkward position right now where they can either focus on traitless which makes them worse than Uberfest units unless your name is Darkt, or they can be more support orientated which makes them better than Uberfest units unless your name is Phono.
As someone with Dasli in their main save and a Dasli rotting away in their alt (I don't want to trivialize the game ffs.), the thing that pushes Dasli over the edge for me is her curse, ofc it's not a trademark ability for her, but it allows her to trivialize stages to the point of being braindead. Henry is freezing all your units? Just use Dasli! Winged Pigge is weakening all your units? Just use Dasli! This stupid mole is KBing all your units? Just use Dasli! Woah there's a Star Peng in the stage and I don't want to use Catellite? Just use Dasli! Gobble is being a POS and hiding away while doing toxic damage? Just use Dasli to make him one of the most worthless enemies in the game! It's ridiculous how insane that curse helps on CC stages.
Something I wished you talked about more instead of just casually mentioning is her bulk. At level 30 she has 78k HP. If we level 50 scale that it's GODDAMN 124K HP WITH 5 KBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This means that even the enemies do reach Dasli, her bulk is gonna let her live for such a long time even in starred UL she often uses all her KBs due to just how goddamn bulky she is. If she was more frail then that'd be honestly a good balancing factor. (It's like slapping the goddamn Terminator, but it's something.) However, now that she has bulk, she can now even deal with high range no blindspot enemies well with an example being P souls with her bulk allowing her to tank Dogumaru even in 3* which is just insane especially since she outranges all other enemies in that stage and your win condition is to just murder a mooth so you can send out Dasli.
To me, the main problem with Dasli is what you said, there's so many cool ubers in the game that can shine and succeed in so many stages, but compared to units like Dasli, Balrog, Izanagi, Duals Phonos, they just can't compete with and thus will be underrated by the community. Since I'm someone with Dasli and pretty much all those units, I barely use anything else apart from like I notice this unit has a specific niche that can destroy the stage just as well as Dasli. Worst part is PONOS can't even nerf Dasli since 1. People will be upset and more importantly 2. Gacha laws don't allow them to nerf her anyways (Even if this game is not technically a gacha game due to a set seed.), so they have to be more creative in how they nerf her like surge immune and counter surge both of which failed. I agree Dasli has destroyed a big chunk of the game's balance and difficulty for people who have her and unless PONOS decides to do something like "All units are allowed except Dasli! Trololololololololol!" It most likely will stay that way.
love your editing
dang I miss the Mitama vs Jizo era of battle cats where the strongest ubers didn't powercreep fking everything
I've had Momotaro and Jizo since EoC (now at 50+2), Aphrodite since ItF, and have also obtained Pai-Pai, Yaminora, Kalisa, Shishilan, Thermae, EVEN +1 NANAHO.
All of these supposedly gamebreaking Ubers (and a few others) and yet, I've obtained the base skills to not be Ubercarried. They've made it much easier, and some break stages, sure, but I don't face that much difficulty without them.
Meanwhile my little brother happened to get Dasli in EoC and still struggles with advents. Genuine skill issue.
Very well made video
Personally I have a very close view on Dasli and how the game becomes more of a get this thing to win that thing instead of figure out what to use to win
When I first got Dasli, I used her on basically every stage I could because of, well, every point you've said in the video. It's ridiculous because of how she's STILL busted in 3* UL and STILL beats everything to death, where most ubers would just die or do not that much.
The game got boring and way too easy after I used her-and my skill level in the game plummeted. I could barely meatshield well after using her for the entirety of 3* UL, to the point where I decided that I'd just stop using dasli for any stage (except for barons cause fuck those).
She's one hell of a game-breaker, but not in a good way. Great video 👍
"Honest players would have to spend a good amount of money to get her"
Me who got dasli randomly from a free platinum ticket before the community didnt even know she was good and didnt use her until months later (I didnt seed track or watch videos or tutorials back then)
you underestimate my power
If I'm being honest I really think ponos should start making balance changes updates
i remember the time not knowing dasli was a very good uber when i got her i was just happy and use her all the time
now i know why my friend is jealous of me having her lol
good video lucas :]
Missed opportunity for you to use the level 1 dasli it would have been hilarious for you to rant about how broken she is while getting sniped in the background lmao
Still great video proving how boring it is to ALWAYS USE HER.
respect for making an hour long dasli rant 🗿(now make one for phono)
I was just doing uncanny Legends and was doing the stage that Gao was in. That was crazy cause I recognized immediately
The whole "not using other ubers" kinda extends to phonoa and phono too. Majority of enemies are not backliners, and 600± range is far enough from the front where even a razorback push can be grinded to dust WITHOUT bomber. The only times I switch them out is when restrictions exist or when I need a diffrent strategy, where range is not an option (example: Okame. I tried my old reliable kit, including dual phono, it did not work. Won only when I replaced them with anti red and black tankers/meatshields, Yukimura and combo units.). I am atleast happy I got phonoa during UL and phono after aku realms a week ago, because it still took me a lot of planing to get to that point.
Edit: I am switching off the phono² to use other units I abandoned, like ganesha, amaterasu, Maglev and more. Currently pretty fun.
Tbh i agree, i see phonoa the same way i see Dasli (too OP and requies exactly 0 skill)
BRO, I GOT A BATTLE CATS AD ON THIS. THEY ARE LEARNING WHAT I LIKE AT LAST!!
The thumbnail was sick thanks lucas
For 1 crowned UL stages i probably did 90% of them no ubers, because it was somewhat challenging to try without a hard carry. Unlike some stages like cloned farmers which i couldn't beat normally. I also usually did most other stages like advents, sol without ubers to experience the stage difficulty. But in 3 crowns UL I just use dasli, since the enemies magnifications are just unfair, so I hit them back with unfariness.
Lucas, your sfx for appearing images sounded too early here, plz fix thx
54:30 (happened in two instances)
Also, regarding your question for Dasli users... it is true. I use Dasli in almost every stage, with the other ubers being combo slaves like Kunio, Riki, and Aethur Ltd.
There is another thing, which is that I also use anti-zombie ubers in zombie stages. Although this, like other supposed "weaknesses" doesn't really make it a weakness for her, since the point is that she trivialized too many stages like you said.
Anyway, it was fun watching you slowly descend into madness and despair as you inched toward explaining the boogeycatgirl, lol out loud.
I use ubers other than dasli for cost efficiency or cost value depending on certain stages that may require a hella spammable unit or a very tough one. I don't completely like dasli, she made BC gameplay a bit boring but I'm rushing on the account to find flexibility around her and using everything that I was struggling with on other accounts, while boosting certain units to assist her or mainly outdo her in a way that the plan would be foolproof, the path of invincibility.
I do think that one of the biggest things is a lost of strategy and especially the lack of a need to use differing units sucks. Like, as big of a cash grab as the gacha is, the fact you can only get certain units shapes your play style. I've had multiple save files through the years I've played Battle Cats, and I've had different units between the multiple files. I played differently depending on which units I had. An older save file I lost had Lumina (I am screaming) and without her, I've played alien stages differently now that I don't have her. My catcombos, my lineup changes to account. I guess I don't like high powered units in general, in this aspect. I've got Shadow Gao and Kasli the Scourge (no bane) and even if they're not broken, they're still really powerful and useful in a majority of stages, especially paired together. It kind of sucks. I like having specific strats for specific levels and struggling through some just so I can never do them again.
I own most of the Fest ubers for collection's sake and 3 star UL, so I don't typically use Dasli unless I'm grinding a previously cleared stage. But when Kappy Sr came out with his funny Surge Reflector, I got tired of planning by the final stage and said "wouldn't it be funny to use Dasli here. she'll be terrible, but i don't care."
anyways the obvious end of this story is that Dasli and anti-surge meatshields beat the stage first try it wasn't even that close.
I think probably the biggest problem with Dasli is that enemies which seem to exist to counter Dasli like Counter-Surgers aren't actually strong enough to warrant cutting Dasli from a lineup, but they do push every other surge unit out of viability (with a lot of those being the other immune-to-surgers). so currently all attempts to weaken Dasli have only widened the gap between her and the competition
I just remember watching Mattshea use Dasli on Malevolent Fish and suffer horribly, only to win on the very first attempt after he takes her out of his lineup\
If we get more stage design like that with Gokurakku having Counter Surge and showing up quite a bit in ZL, we might be seeing a return to strategy somewhat (ignoring the existence of the Socrates Bossfight in the current state of anti-sage of course)
What video was that?
@@Lylactal The one featuring the unlocking of Supercar Cat
I feel like the only banners that doesn't have their usage completely obliterated by Dasli are the iron legions and nekolugas, thanks to iron legions countering zombies, which are relatively harder to counter, and the nekolugas having godlike range and being more based on strong support. Zombies being hard to counter by dasli is also one of the reasons they're my favorite trait lol.
The main problem with the lugas in general is that apart from Tecoluga, Balaluga, and Asiluga is that they just all are mid at best. It's to a point where the high range of these units doesn't matter especially due to their bulk and vulnerabilities to things like surge and waves.
Also zombies are my favourite trait in the game, but instead it's just due to how differently they play from other traits but in a fun and genius way with the burrow and revive abilities they have. Zombies are still a hard trait even with Shigong, Chadbear and especially Holy Blast which I find amazing.
@@Flont40 yeah, i agree with you take on zombies. I also really like their designs, as in the way they look.
When I first saw both uber and epic fest units. I thought they were busted, but I didn't know they would high praised the units. I'm trying to get at least half of each units of other banners.
"How much do you use other ubers for actual intended porpouses aside from just testing them at all?"
Many. Although I'm a D.Kasli owner and user, either I'm in a perpetual state of skill issue or just RNG screwing me with her position.
I can't always use her because MANY stages either always have:
1- An enemy that outranges her
2- The stage itself not having easily achievable cash (looking at you mixed stages with zombie units in it)
Examples of others I use are Sakura Miku and Volta in Alien stages, Kaihimi and Yukimura for Black stages, Windy for Floating, Lufalan Pasalan when I get the chance...
The problem isn't JUST that other units suck compared to her, but that stages don't permit the usage of other units because of the points I mentioned above.
I don't even use her that much because I still fail a stage with or without her (Electric Diva Strikes! 18th song and Snow Miku 2nd crown for example), and both ways I get the same sarcastic answer "Just use D.Kasli, skill issue lols. Just level your cats lmao".
SoL is extremely boring to progress because of how the game was built on being slow, I also got stuck many times AND without mentioning the trolling/gimmick stages (Haha, funny Assassin Bear spam xd).
The latest stage I'm stuck on is an Alien units spam that I couldn't even beat with the units I usually use above (alongside other S, R and SR anti-alien and meatshields). Why?
Stuff that outranges everything. Mind you that yes, I have ALL Superior Treasures, all of Cosmos included.
Just to repeat myself, this ain't all JUST about D.Kasli being better than other units, but overall how stages are made.
If your stuck on swim meet just use volta or miku with catelite that's what I used for 3 crowm
Hearing you talk about how Battle Cats is so different now made me think "The future is now, old man."
I have to admit grinding 4 star SOL was the unexpectedly one of the most fun I’ve had as it provided an actual challenge and made me use cats I wouldn’t have thought of ever touching instead of just use dasli and mitama to instantly win
Also the end of that video hurt a lot; I own a ton of Ubers and use as many as I can as frequently as I can, but objectively there really is never a reason when I can just use my Dasli and Phonoa
I got dasli and have since used her a lot, since I normally do a lot of grinding with her instead of using her on advent stages and UL I don't really have an issue, also using her vs barons because those stages can suck an egg. But it does make me feel a little bad scrolling by 95% of my ubers because they could work, but just dont compare to Dasli.
I feel like Ponos could experiment by banning specific banners from certain stages but I also see the backlash that could create.
Been playing this game for nearly 8 years now. I actively refuse to use Dasli because of how much she breaks stages. I just want the game to be fun and challenging, even when I get really stuck on stages (Defaced Tombstone currently), it feels good getting past them with a strategy.
Babe wake up 1 hour dasli rant video just dropped
Genuine question - where does Phono fit into this?
I say genuine because I don't have him, but I've heard he has dummy range/dps
I have a genuine question, something thats been rolling around in my mind since I started playing battlecats two years ago.
As a new player, I researched a lot to learn mechanics on how to play the game. The wiki, random google searches, and youtube videos like yours, siluman, xskull and etc. I noticed very early that the discussion of balance in the community is very fractured.
Units are labeled either broken, good, usable, niche, or trash. From my perspective as a newbie, it feels like veteran players want contradictory things. I am curious about what you other veteran players consider a balanced unit to be?
Especially since from my perspective you can always use a less good unit if you feel like dasli is too strong.
Just wait till dasli true form. 10h essay incomming. (Btw watching this while eating is epic)
dasli ultra form in 52 years
aphrodite treatment 1% more hp
Just to say, yes when I first got dasli I used her on any stage I feel like I could use her, but now around late game sols I stopped using her and try to use any other unit other than dasli, but I have started to use dasli if needed. It's like a trump card for me if I can't beat a stage after a couple of different loadouts I'll add dasli into one of my better loadouts just so I can move foward.
with what you said with ogre island, i wasted so much energy, time, and catamins trying to beat it. Trying tons of different strats, when someone can just beat it first try with 1 lvl 30 unit