I don’t understand what’s so difficult about just giving players 10-25 lap races with random weather and mandatory pit stops/tire changes on Fuji, suzuka, Bathurst, road Atlanta grand valley, Brazil, spa, Nurburgring. We want weekly races that actually showcase who has the best pace and strategy, idk why we have to wait 3 months in between every good race
If we ignore the FFB problems, this car/tire and track combo isn't bad at all. An old F1 car like this with its smaller form factor is a perfect pair for a very tight track like this. Paired up with it being a scenic track with safety concerns at every corner and it's very on brand for a classic F1 style experience (the comfort softs trying to simulate the grip of racing tires of the period). But come on... 7 laps?... I was so excited for this race and it just sucks. It should have been like 25 laps with something like 30x tire wear (since the comfort tires last forever). They made that super cool pit lane and we don't even use it. Like what the hell poly.
The CS tires aren't causing the lack of feedback - it's the update combined with the car itself. Everything else I've driven so far on my G29 is lighter, but still provides enough feedback to not be an issue. The RA272's feedback is completely dead though - even on RH tires (it feels exactly the same when driving it on RH for the Honda Challenge time trial).
@@yoyo-nf1ww That's weird. The SF23 is still driveable even though it's also obviously a lightweight open-wheel car. It still provides enough feedback that I didn't even have to adjust my ffb strength even though it is lighter now.
The reason the car is chosen is because of Honda's 60th anniversary in F1, the tires, to simulate what would be "period correct" grip levels, and the track because it's new. I wouldn't call it a low point. The case for a longer race is fair though. I just wish this race wasn't a permanent fixture of the game, and that there was some way it would be replaced with something different?
@@gamefan56i think there are two reasons: firstly it's obviously a new addition to the game and secondly, it seems like an old school F1 track. just take a look at history and see where they raced in those times. not too far off.
Many complaints about the update here. I am absolutely no expert and wouldn’t recognize smaller details because I drive to inconsistent - but I like the Update because I think the feeling for the car and tires is better. I use a Belt driven System and slightly raised the FF Effects which are feeling pretty different on this kind of Wheel after the update! EDIT: Today (11. August) I installed the small 1.5 Patch which should fix the bounce Bug and I have now the same problems. I cant feel the frontend and have no good feeling for the car. I don’t know if Im hallucinate but damn I was so happy before.
Haha saw the Arc clip on Twitter/X as well, made me chuckle. But yeah, truly a shocking Race C this week. Not missing out while being out of town, that’s for sure 😃
I’m very confused why polyphony has implemented all of these detailed features, dynamic weather/ tire wear/ Etc.. and never truly see the effects. Yet we seem to have the same race settings or worse every week. I don’t know if they need to add a Group D race to GT7, I’m all for sprint races but let us see the features that are so raved about in an endurance race. I want my tires to last 10-15 laps and change to soft for the last 5-7 . Multiple pit stops, use of headlights in the dark, fuel consumption weight effects, like why not?
Why all cry about tyres? Do people think it was modern slicks or advan 050 in 60s? I doubt about human stability of people who say so . Excellent online race they did, need more like this, classic, hardcore.
People have skill issue with actual driving skill (loving racing only in RH/RM/RS tires and modern GR. Cars) and especially with controller(wheel is ALSO CONTROLLER FFS) adjustment. Most of them doesn't even know that they can adjust many of the settings or just lazy to spend some time in setting menu. ADHD. "Blame the game, not me!! I'm the one greatest!!"
Yea, I won’t be playing anymore until they fix the force feedback. That’s completely wasting my sim setup, I can go to the arcade if I wanted a cheap experience.
I wish we could undo the update... The only card I have fun driving is the McLaren f1 and the CLK... I struggle with every other car especially the exotic street cars... Downshifting too early will spin you out so quick...
@@beatnickclassicsit kinda should to a point. People abuse doenshifting so badly in this game. But yes. Overall the patch ruined an almost perfect game
Ever since the update, it feals like i cant drive a car properly anymore. Especially something hard to control with tires that are not racing. Terrible update overall.
@@triple3jrb it feels especially inconsistent in GT3 cars too. Now you never know if you're going to understeer into the corner, or if the front tires are going to suddenly grip and cause the back end to come around.
I thought my wheel was giving up at first, due to the messy force feedback I encountered with this race, but I found out it's happening all over the community, and now you. The online racers have always been too low reward-wise; it should be the biggest payouts as it's the hardest races. I loved the Scooby event, though, but this update is the first time I'm in a love-hate relationship with GT7. The cars just seem way too understeery for me at the moment, and I also can no longer drift, haha!
Half the community says it's understeer-y, and the other half says it's too oversteer-y. What actually is happening is that trail braking is actually important, and you need to drive more like a real sim and less like an arcade racer. You used to be able to break to 100% and steer simultaneously, barely needing to trail brake and using mostly steering to rotate the car. Now, you get punished for trying to steer with heavy braking, and you NEED to trail brake through the apex to rotate the car without understeering. You also need to be smooth with power application coming out of turns, otherwise you're more prone to the back end breaking loose and causing massive oversteer. TL;DR: it's both understeer-y AND oversteer-y because they made the physics more realistic. Master trail braking and make your inputs as smooth as possible, and you might find the game actually feels better than ever.
@@yoyo-nf1ww absolutely true, but I'm assuming that's a bug unrelated to the physics change. I could be wrong though, game programming isn't my specialty.
I think they just went overboard with whatever changes they made to the physics, before the update the cars definitely felt a bit too stable and grippy almost arcade like, but now they are just feel ridiculously loose and icy
Tyres were shit and drivers had to cope with that. It's also where drifting started to develop from as young Keiichi Tsuchiya deliberately broke the limit of grip those tyres had.
I remember when I got my PS5 and bought GT7. The first online race I did was where you could bring your own Nissan with a certain max. PP. I never saw that ever again since then. It was very fun!
The new physics are a low point for me. I like some of it but the understeer feels far too excessive with some cars and ABS doesn't ABS anymore. Playing with a controller it is so much more unforgiving that it can be really unenjoyable.
Has anyone else noticed there are some road cars, even completely stock, that since 1.49 now have horrible snap oversteer when braking while cornering, such as turns 1 and 2 at Suzuka? It feels like GT1's braking physics. The worst offender I've found is the Z16A, it's actually undrivable. Shame since it was the first semi-fast car I picked up in GT7. I finally got the setup to where it's useable, but it took a lot of effort and the final setup is goofy af and makes no sense in real life. Others I've found like this are the '03 and '09 Audi TTs, and the '05 Mini Cooper. If my real life Cooper handled like that I'd be terrified to drive it and would've sold it for chump change on craigslist already. Hate this broken physics update. Wish they would revert back and wait until they fix it properly for every car.
I only get horrible snap oversteer when I try to apply too much power coming out of turns 1 and 2. If I brake hard without much trail braking, it's usually an understeer situation. But with proper trail braking, the cars actually feel more realistic IMO.
I guess you're TommiH83, considering he's the only one getting punted by Steve in the video, in which case I seriously wonder where you even take the audacity to complain, after driving full throttle into him first.
Not to mention the wall ride he gave someone else before that, watch the start , you get a get view of him greasing someone right in front of Steve. First or second turn from start.
Old Supergt GT sport videos still show up on my home feed and it strikes me (as someone who doesn't play GT) that there's no longer any fuel saving aspect to these GT7 races. That's one layer of strategy gone
Its frustrating they can't nail the tyre model, especially with slip angle and yaw. They just seem too reactive and front end grip is too high so you need to correct on steering wheels as quick as you'd be able to on a controller.
I just drove a nissan silvia in the weekly challenges, and the front end grip was unreal. Going through a hairpin barely felt like a turn because the car just rotated with absolutely no struggle.
@matttondr9282 well you'd be surprised how easily a car will do that in real life especially with good tyres the old model would understeer turning a small corner at 50 I could turn that corner in real life at 50 with my passat that has the baldest tyres youll ever see
@eoinm5758 I think you are right, sometimes in game in tuned cars I get less grip/turn in than a regular street car on naff tyres in real life, the trouble for polyphony I guess, is there are sooooo soooo many variables to get right at once, different vehicles multiplied by different tuning parts multiplied by different setups, multiplied by many different wheel and pedals available plus controller, still further variables are different tracks in different climates etc the list goes on. Unfortunately I haven't had my sim rig up since before 1.49, I was soo excited to get it back out and try the new physics, at first I had issues on the controller but soon was quite well adjusted and thinking man it feels like there's more suspension and tyre activity modelled into the driving I bet this would feel great with the sim rig, and now I hear they've killed FFB 😢
@@eoinm5758 Understeer is okay to some degree as you can just reduce throttle and return the steering to the centre to correct. But the oversteer is where I struggle, it's just not right. Most of the vehicles just once correcting oversteer just yaw back way too quickly and you end up rotating on yourself, Regardless of your throttle modulation and steering input.
When I first drove the Honda car on the new time trial, I restarted my wheel because I thought something was wrong with it. There's almost zero feedback with it.
Here is a force feedback test for you: Turn every adjustment OFF except for FF (force feedback) and give it a try. I did this with the CSL Elite and I don't think they are sending signals to the FF parameter. Doesn't matter what settings you have in game, it has no feel at all. Thinking they are relying upon some of the support parameters to mimic force feedback.
GT7 has so much potential with such a large platform and faithful player base , but unfortunately personally I’ve been driven to other simulators after this update
I've never played GT online because it just doesn't look appealing. I would love to see something like iRacing, lots of options with lots of car + track variations, also some online endurances with driver swaps and everything. 3 races per week just doesn't seem enough.
The physics are terrible on most cars now. GR4 is the only bunch of cars that feel good but not the MR cars. Also absolutely no feel for the rear tires
I think it's pretty obvious for Polyphony to give the Honda CS tires. Even the racing tires in the 60s were basically like driving on slightly melted ice
I've just gotta say, comfort tires are meant to smooth out the driving process. In real life, I've had tires that make turning the vehicle a chore, and I've had to tires that make it effortless. The tires that were a chore made turning difficult enough that we were certain there was something wrong with the power steering. So, the tire updates to force feedback is actually done to achieve a more realistic feel. That said, its still a game..and you should be able to crank the settings and make it feel how you want to feel..but then again, i think that is the part of point of the comfort tires. Being featured in a daily race is likely just to display this realistic update to the tire feel..and its just something we'll all have to deal with.
ever since 1.49 my G pro DD have really bad oscillation problems (violently turning left and right by itself) and i’ve tried everything to fix it but the only real fix is to turn FFB strength and sensitivity down to 1 giving me no feedback in general even on RS tires 😢
okay so it’s not just me… first thing I said when trying the new update was the physics actually feel really good, but the FFB has actually become the worse FFB I’ve personally experienced… and I’ve played f1 2016 and forza 6 back on a pretty standard belt driven wheel
The perfect format would be A: street car race or something similar (unserious in a sense) B: Gt 2/3/4 with short distance so it's a straight on battle C: Long distance with pit stops, weather change, day to night etc I feel like GT Sport went with this format or something similiar atleast
15:35 "he's gonna turn left into turn 2 which is the wrong direction" 17:23 "four wheels on the gravel and that is not the correct line" Once again Super GT is my font of racing knowledge and experience I don't know where I'd be without you 🙏
The ffb is like that on most high downforce cars Merc C9, Superformula, F1500 and many more its terrible as its extremely heavy on high speed but non existence on corners
You are 100% correct, the torque scaling in the game is broken and its a GT7 issue. Nothing to do with the wheel. Its better with the new update but its missing a lot of feel still and I cannot race properly and competitively like this. I suspect with the PSVR2 adapter arriving tomorrow will mean I will move away from GT7 as each update just makes playing on wheel worse.
Daily Race B this week was actually my first Daily Race win ever in the AMG (on Mt second try. Accidentally threw myself out of turn 1 on my first attempt)
There's a distinct lack of feedback in all wheels after the update. I have stopped playing entirely as the feedback on my 8nm DD pro feels like nothing whatsoever. If it's bad for supper gt on his 20nm wheel, just imagine how sucky it is for everyone else. Honestly do not understand polyphony. I understand changing the feedback model, but why set the overall force to 5% of what it was before? The game is unplayable for me until they fix it.
Track and car combo is actually perfect. The 60s open wheelers used to race on such roads but I agree that if it was around 30% longer with a mendatory pit stop it would make things more interesting... the race would hold more weight n substance.
I'm conflicted with this race. I had some great racing the other night here, but there's a a lot of things that hold this back from being a great Daily Race C. 😩
Same the only time I enjoy driving is on the dirt and snow literally hated that aspect now I enjoy it and hate some cars on some tracks like I hope we get another update as this shit does suck a lot it was perfect before
It was actually one of the best combos for Daily Race and I hope it returns soon (or at least with other classic race cars). Way more fun than racing GT3/GT4 for the millionth time.
Something's ive said forever. All the daily races are focused on gt4 and gt3 card but they rarely actually add those cars. And if they do they're like.. very out of date cars. I'm not saying they have to only add racecars. But if you're going to have gt3 and gt4 daily Races 90% then add more cars.
I dont find this race overly bad but it needs to be longer. I felt like bathurst nailed it last week. Good mix of cars that worked on a challenging but rewarding track.
There have been plenty of complaints about the tyres but no one seems to have considered that the comfort softs have been chosen to mimic period rubber. Whether it does that effectively or not is another matter entirely, but it at least is a logical reason. Certainly more logical than fitting racing slick soft tyres to a period vehicle.
the weirdest thing to me is that '65 f1 car appears to drive like a modern car. those should like a TON of slip angle, but it just looks like it understeers a ton and the rear is planted like its on modern slicks.
Thanks for video. For me the major problem is the lack of Force feedback. Even when I grabbed the controller, it is lacking their as well. Usually you can feel so much in the controller. I don't have a Top tier Wheel. Just the Logitech 923, but it is good for me, or was until this update. I can adjust to the new physics, but I really need the FFB, without I will never get back to where I was. Very disappointed.
Hello Steve, speaking about FFB and you being a very talented IRL pilot, it would be veeery interesting for me to know your opinion on the FFB accuracy of the different simcade and simulation currently available. AC, ACC, Forza, GT7, iRacing, LMU,Rennsport, … Any chance you’d do this ?
So for the experienced GT racer are the new physics more life like racing or did they really mess it up and can you compensate for the new physics in the settings?
Im noticing clipping on a dd 8nm driving the new Gallardo with any tire softer that RH, no matter what suspension values I use(and ofc the ffb being wholly inconsistent doesn’t help)
This race was awesome on a controller. Wheel not so much. Many road cars have meh wheel feedback now and even on controller it’s been reduced. GT3 cars and (GT2 only tested the CLK) felt good on controller and wheel. Okay the CLK was on controller 😅 not sure about wheel.
C'mon man. There's a bunch of boring FIA homologated tracks in the game, already. Let's keep alive the Touge spirit for those who need this kind of fix. There are very few of it in the game.
After a month break I jumped back into a race last night and went with race B. Didn't qualify, and got 3rd at the end. I wasn't fast or anything, just consistent. I'm still new to sport (i mostly just play single player) so my rating is still D. First few corners were quite funny due to the carnage. Went through like 4 or 5 ghosts and then a chorus of 5 cars went off at the 2 sharp right handers lol. At the end, 4th place caught up and tried to dive bomb past me on 130R and forgot to brake and flew off track - i enjoyed that.
I don't think they have got it quite right but i think i know why they have done it. I just took a 23 formula car down route x on softs. Its extremely light at low speeds but increases dramatically at high speeds. Pretty sure it was similar at all speeds before. Anyway, they have added more road texture and bump affects, i can guarantee that as i have SIMHUB with baseshakers on my rig and I've had to turn those affects down a lot.. obviously say something like a sausage curb is going to pull your steering more st low speed than skipping over it at high speed so it may have been done for safety as it would wrench your arms round.. but yes they have over reduced it. There is also more affect of weight shift, they haven't only chsnged the car set ups as people think.. i get a load of vibration by just letting off which i never had, it was only there under braking before.. so understeer some people are getting is harsh braking and the old over downshifts people always used for rotation. Now they can over load the front wheels as all the weight has flown forward. Everything has to be a little more subtle now..
@7:22 you pulled a total George Russell- you can see on the radar how you got alongside the guy, squeezed him into the wall and then complained that he just turned straight into you as he bounces off it and back into your car 🙄
I guess some kind of leader asked the guys, who routinely setting the races to put the daily C on the new Eiger track, which is not really a race track, more of a narrow, looped hillclimb route. I myself have ran a quali on it, but decided against racing: I suffered the double twin hairpins in an S1 Quattro doing the weekly offline races, and the Honda on Comfort tires was a bit less fun, even without company. Maybe they were realized that 15-20 lap of this, with the awkward pitlane tunnel and the narrow rejoyning path, would be very frustrating experiece, this could be the cause of the short race length. I hope next week we get something more racing-friendly, and the Gr.4 cars will return to the rotation.
I have no issues at all with the new physics or feedback. I don’t race online at all so it’s pretty clear that the issues you’re having are the terrible standard settings you’re forced to use when racing online.
I only do the online time trials, but my lap times are similar (some slightly quicker, some slightly slower) to what they were before the update. I had to make slight changes to how I drove, but overall I feel like the physics are more realistic now.
I think my fav daily race has been when they give you the tuned street cars I really enjoy that combo the new physics are basically only good for racing tires
This has been the case since 1.49 with the force feedback being weaker and weaker the less grippy the tyres you use. Some cars on comfort softs can feel very vague but want to rip your arms off on racing softs.
Ahh so I'm not crazy! I just got a wheel last week and thought it was super weird how uh.. limp some of these cars felt regardless of settings. What I love the most is when I have to actually flex to turn the wheel on racecars and feel that tremendous grip and strength HNNNNGGGG
I personaly found the first Race B when GT7 was released (deep forest with road cars) to have been the best. I dunno weather that was the fact the race was all different road cars and not a class of cars like GR3/4 or one make (and it added a element of randomness to it, not to everyones taste i know), that or its all rose tinted glasses talking but i do look back at that time fondly.
The release notes suggest users of GTDD pro switch the AS mode on the wheel. I did that and think the update is brilliant. Try it because I had same issue.
Is it possible that the lack of tyre changes and being stuck with comfort soft could be Polyphony trying to simulate the old style racing since it's an old formula vehicle? Could the lack of steering feedback be something Polyphony wanted to simulate "comfort"? Maybe back in the old days they didn't change their tyres? Maybe everyone used the tyres available to them, which may have more likely been an average tyre, maybe?
I don’t understand what’s so difficult about just giving players 10-25 lap races with random weather and mandatory pit stops/tire changes on Fuji, suzuka, Bathurst, road Atlanta grand valley, Brazil, spa, Nurburgring.
We want weekly races that actually showcase who has the best pace and strategy, idk why we have to wait 3 months in between every good race
If they choose better combos, offline plyers cming to the online Mode. But they have less Server. 7 of 10 gt plyers, plying only offline.
Probably because of all the quitters, would end up with 5 people finishing the race
@@chrisr5992 not in high DR lobbies, although it makes you wonder if a multiplayer overhaul could fix this issue
@@chrisr5992 I don’t care If 3 people finish it’s better than this shit
Yea 3 maps every week gets bland the bare minimum should be 6 races weather etc
It's absurd, there are so many great potential combos for Race C and PD comes up with something like that lmao
I think it's a good race, just should have been b instead
Honestly, it should have been A.
It’s a great race, I wish it was 20 laps with a pitstop
They're probably on vacation and let AI come up with this bullshit
@@GtaFan00000001 mhm indefinite vacation which already lasts since GT Sport
If we ignore the FFB problems, this car/tire and track combo isn't bad at all. An old F1 car like this with its smaller form factor is a perfect pair for a very tight track like this. Paired up with it being a scenic track with safety concerns at every corner and it's very on brand for a classic F1 style experience (the comfort softs trying to simulate the grip of racing tires of the period). But come on... 7 laps?... I was so excited for this race and it just sucks. It should have been like 25 laps with something like 30x tire wear (since the comfort tires last forever). They made that super cool pit lane and we don't even use it. Like what the hell poly.
They buffed a lot of mechanical grip while nerfing slightly the aereodinamic one
they also changed aero setups for several cars giving higher rear bias which makes them understeer stock
@@redstonewatcher6651and also made the downforce on the rear lower than before like on the 911 RSR which makes it super slidy and shit to drive
It would be fun if all the physics changes are just setup changes. 😂
@@lillotaajust like irl
@@saiko953 it’s a race car, it shouldn’t be feeling slippery 😭 gt3 cars are designed to work with the driver not against them
I find it insane that we don’t have bigger lobbies on GT7, they need to be 20+
seeing a 60s F1 car being driven like a current GT3 car is already a tragedy in itself
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@@jasonburrell4903oh wow so edgy 🤓
How should it be driven differently? Genuine question.
Are you referring to his paddle shifters? If so, boy you’ll cry when you learn a good chunk of GT7 players use a gamepad lol
The CS tires aren't causing the lack of feedback - it's the update combined with the car itself. Everything else I've driven so far on my G29 is lighter, but still provides enough feedback to not be an issue. The RA272's feedback is completely dead though - even on RH tires (it feels exactly the same when driving it on RH for the Honda Challenge time trial).
care feel lighter for no reason and lift off alot making them understreer and or spin out
F1 88' Mclaren same, after update.
@@yoyo-nf1ww That's weird. The SF23 is still driveable even though it's also obviously a lightweight open-wheel car. It still provides enough feedback that I didn't even have to adjust my ffb strength even though it is lighter now.
Tires makes a huge difference for the FFB.
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The reason the car is chosen is because of Honda's 60th anniversary in F1, the tires, to simulate what would be "period correct" grip levels, and the track because it's new.
I wouldn't call it a low point. The case for a longer race is fair though. I just wish this race wasn't a permanent fixture of the game, and that there was some way it would be replaced with something different?
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Yeah I don't understand the hate for the combo. I personally like it and think it makes sense. FFB issues and the time thing is problematic though.
Question though, if it is to celebrate Honda´s 60 year anniversary in F1, then why would they not use an actual F1 track then?
@@gamefan56i think there are two reasons: firstly it's obviously a new addition to the game and secondly, it seems like an old school F1 track. just take a look at history and see where they raced in those times. not too far off.
@@HarryVerolmeyea but just do F1 cars on some tracks they’ve won at. you know, to celebrate their historic wins??
Many complaints about the update here. I am absolutely no expert and wouldn’t recognize smaller details because I drive to inconsistent - but I like the Update because I think the feeling for the car and tires is better. I use a Belt driven System and slightly raised the FF Effects which are feeling pretty different on this kind of Wheel after the update!
EDIT: Today (11. August) I installed the small 1.5 Patch which should fix the bounce Bug and I have now the same problems. I cant feel the frontend and have no good feeling for the car. I don’t know if Im hallucinate but damn I was so happy before.
Haha saw the Arc clip on Twitter/X as well, made me chuckle. But yeah, truly a shocking Race C this week. Not missing out while being out of town, that’s for sure 😃
@@SixxWolfZxyea this game is the only reason I have ps plus and I just can’t seem to come to grips with the new mechanics so idk what to do
I’m very confused why polyphony has implemented all of these detailed features, dynamic weather/ tire wear/ Etc.. and never truly see the effects. Yet we seem to have the same race settings or worse every week. I don’t know if they need to add a Group D race to GT7, I’m all for sprint races but let us see the features that are so raved about in an endurance race. I want my tires to last 10-15 laps and change to soft for the last 5-7 . Multiple pit stops, use of headlights in the dark, fuel consumption weight effects, like why not?
They look nice as bullet points for the marketing people.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino I understand, but the options are in the game, and the features work.
60s cars really had very little feedback. They were light, less grippy due to thin tires and very crude suspension.
You should know that.
Why all cry about tyres? Do people think it was modern slicks or advan 050 in 60s? I doubt about human stability of people who say so .
Excellent online race they did, need more like this, classic, hardcore.
People have skill issue with actual driving skill (loving racing only in RH/RM/RS tires and modern GR. Cars) and especially with controller(wheel is ALSO CONTROLLER FFS) adjustment. Most of them doesn't even know that they can adjust many of the settings or just lazy to spend some time in setting menu. ADHD.
"Blame the game, not me!! I'm the one greatest!!"
Yea, I won’t be playing anymore until they fix the force feedback. That’s completely wasting my sim setup, I can go to the arcade if I wanted a cheap experience.
That sounds really sleazy.
Do you have a price list, for research purposes?
The new FF is terrible. Pedal accuracy is also horrendous. Was looking forward to the new patch but this is borderline bad.
You can brake the same place lap after lap and get varying braking distances. It's so weird and makes it impossible to drive consistently.
Yes cause your tires change...so you have to break a bit earlier...funny that y'all cant adapt @@alexlam24
I wish we could undo the update... The only card I have fun driving is the McLaren f1 and the CLK... I struggle with every other car especially the exotic street cars... Downshifting too early will spin you out so quick...
@@beatnickclassicsit kinda should to a point. People abuse doenshifting so badly in this game. But yes. Overall the patch ruined an almost perfect game
This is in no way borderline 😂
Ever since the update, it feals like i cant drive a car properly anymore. Especially something hard to control with tires that are not racing. Terrible update overall.
agree...the understeer is a major issue and you lose all sense of trail braking.
@@triple3jrb it feels especially inconsistent in GT3 cars too. Now you never know if you're going to understeer into the corner, or if the front tires are going to suddenly grip and cause the back end to come around.
It's an amazing update tho. Once you get used to it cars feel better than ever.
@@drewbrew444 exactly
You have to adjust, arguably the best update since spec
I thought my wheel was giving up at first, due to the messy force feedback I encountered with this race, but I found out it's happening all over the community, and now you. The online racers have always been too low reward-wise; it should be the biggest payouts as it's the hardest races. I loved the Scooby event, though, but this update is the first time I'm in a love-hate relationship with GT7. The cars just seem way too understeery for me at the moment, and I also can no longer drift, haha!
Half the community says it's understeer-y, and the other half says it's too oversteer-y. What actually is happening is that trail braking is actually important, and you need to drive more like a real sim and less like an arcade racer. You used to be able to break to 100% and steer simultaneously, barely needing to trail brake and using mostly steering to rotate the car. Now, you get punished for trying to steer with heavy braking, and you NEED to trail brake through the apex to rotate the car without understeering. You also need to be smooth with power application coming out of turns, otherwise you're more prone to the back end breaking loose and causing massive oversteer.
TL;DR: it's both understeer-y AND oversteer-y because they made the physics more realistic. Master trail braking and make your inputs as smooth as possible, and you might find the game actually feels better than ever.
@@theKashConnoisseur FFB on F1 cars still missing tho.
@@yoyo-nf1ww absolutely true, but I'm assuming that's a bug unrelated to the physics change. I could be wrong though, game programming isn't my specialty.
My G29 FFB is really dead after this update, some car is undrivable, waiting for them to fix the weird ffb issue.😢
Same here. Been saying this since 1.49 rolled out
Whats odd is I have g29 and I feel a bit more than before. Like the curbs you feel every little bump
I have G29 and a Fanatec and they're both dead on GT7
Buy acc g29 feels great on it.
g29. there’s something strange for sure
I think they just went overboard with whatever changes they made to the physics, before the update the cars definitely felt a bit too stable and grippy almost arcade like, but now they are just feel ridiculously loose and icy
The Comfort Tyres are 'realistic' because it's closest to the actual tyres they used for the car back in the 60s.
Tyres were shit and drivers had to cope with that. It's also where drifting started to develop from as young Keiichi Tsuchiya deliberately broke the limit of grip those tyres had.
Exactly! I loved that daily race it was challenging.
The new physics results in very weak FFB with open wheelers at the moment, it's probably a bug.
Any powerful car seems to have no ffb. Over 600hp and the ffb goes to about 1%
Luckily they just released the PC vr2 adaptor so I can now play VR racing Sims on PC instead
@@Paulo-py4mmtry it with asseto corsa and let me know how it looks i’m dying to know, i’m ordering the adapter anyway
@@yamz1156 I have a meta quest 3 and AC VR is worth it. So is DR2 VR. Theres so much good VR on PC.
I remember when I got my PS5 and bought GT7. The first online race I did was where you could bring your own Nissan with a certain max. PP. I never saw that ever again since then. It was very fun!
The new physics are a low point for me. I like some of it but the understeer feels far too excessive with some cars and ABS doesn't ABS anymore. Playing with a controller it is so much more unforgiving that it can be really unenjoyable.
Has anyone else noticed there are some road cars, even completely stock, that since 1.49 now have horrible snap oversteer when braking while cornering, such as turns 1 and 2 at Suzuka? It feels like GT1's braking physics. The worst offender I've found is the Z16A, it's actually undrivable. Shame since it was the first semi-fast car I picked up in GT7. I finally got the setup to where it's useable, but it took a lot of effort and the final setup is goofy af and makes no sense in real life. Others I've found like this are the '03 and '09 Audi TTs, and the '05 Mini Cooper. If my real life Cooper handled like that I'd be terrified to drive it and would've sold it for chump change on craigslist already. Hate this broken physics update. Wish they would revert back and wait until they fix it properly for every car.
I only get horrible snap oversteer when I try to apply too much power coming out of turns 1 and 2. If I brake hard without much trail braking, it's usually an understeer situation. But with proper trail braking, the cars actually feel more realistic IMO.
Yes, absolutely. A few road cars specifically have been trashed by this. Stock, from the dealer, they are all over the place.
Finally someone talking of the ffb problem. Cant feel connected to the road anymore
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Wish they’d admit they were wrong and revert to the old physics.
Steve's rage quit was one for the ages.
Mate, you wrote your comment 2 minutes after the video got released, how wtf did you get that far into that quickly
I was referring to the live stream the other day while he was driving daily race c lol.
GET OUT OF THERE LEWIS
What rage quit? He finished every race in this video...?
@@D34dP1x3l I'm talking about the Livestream a few days ago.
Thanks for that wall ride mate. I don't know what I done to deserve that but anyway
He loves to pretend to be cleaner and fairer than he is.
@@GraveUypo Everybody likes to think they are the good guy, lol.
I guess you're TommiH83, considering he's the only one getting punted by Steve in the video, in which case I seriously wonder where you even take the audacity to complain, after driving full throttle into him first.
Not to mention the wall ride he gave someone else before that, watch the start , you get a get view of him greasing someone right in front of Steve. First or second turn from start.
@@GraveUypono
Old Supergt GT sport videos still show up on my home feed and it strikes me (as someone who doesn't play GT) that there's no longer any fuel saving aspect to these GT7 races. That's one layer of strategy gone
Its frustrating they can't nail the tyre model, especially with slip angle and yaw. They just seem too reactive and front end grip is too high so you need to correct on steering wheels as quick as you'd be able to on a controller.
I just drove a nissan silvia in the weekly challenges, and the front end grip was unreal. Going through a hairpin barely felt like a turn because the car just rotated with absolutely no struggle.
@matttondr9282 well you'd be surprised how easily a car will do that in real life especially with good tyres the old model would understeer turning a small corner at 50 I could turn that corner in real life at 50 with my passat that has the baldest tyres youll ever see
@@eoinm5758you sound like a fool with your bald ass tires. Way to put people in danger because you’re cheap
@eoinm5758 I think you are right, sometimes in game in tuned cars I get less grip/turn in than a regular street car on naff tyres in real life, the trouble for polyphony I guess, is there are sooooo soooo many variables to get right at once, different vehicles multiplied by different tuning parts multiplied by different setups, multiplied by many different wheel and pedals available plus controller, still further variables are different tracks in different climates etc the list goes on.
Unfortunately I haven't had my sim rig up since before 1.49, I was soo excited to get it back out and try the new physics, at first I had issues on the controller but soon was quite well adjusted and thinking man it feels like there's more suspension and tyre activity modelled into the driving I bet this would feel great with the sim rig, and now I hear they've killed FFB 😢
@@eoinm5758 Understeer is okay to some degree as you can just reduce throttle and return the steering to the centre to correct. But the oversteer is where I struggle, it's just not right. Most of the vehicles just once correcting oversteer just yaw back way too quickly and you end up rotating on yourself, Regardless of your throttle modulation and steering input.
When I first drove the Honda car on the new time trial, I restarted my wheel because I thought something was wrong with it. There's almost zero feedback with it.
Here is a force feedback test for you: Turn every adjustment OFF except for FF (force feedback) and give it a try. I did this with the CSL Elite and I don't think they are sending signals to the FF parameter. Doesn't matter what settings you have in game, it has no feel at all. Thinking they are relying upon some of the support parameters to mimic force feedback.
GT7 has so much potential with such a large platform and faithful player base , but unfortunately personally I’ve been driven to other simulators after this update
GT7 is not a real sim, its physics always was a bit arcade like.
@@macmurdock77it's a simcade but after the update it became almost impossible to drive
Caught that last race live. Its such a different experience seeing things play out in real-time. A lot learned watching someone faster than myself
Oh wow I just finished this race and was surprised by the lack of force feedback. Turns out it wasn't my wheel
I've never played GT online because it just doesn't look appealing. I would love to see something like iRacing, lots of options with lots of car + track variations, also some online endurances with driver swaps and everything. 3 races per week just doesn't seem enough.
As someone who stopped at GT4: What the actual fu** is this convoluted mess. What happened to buying used cars tune them and do races?
now you buy new cars.. and race
The physics are terrible on most cars now. GR4 is the only bunch of cars that feel good but not the MR cars. Also absolutely no feel for the rear tires
Glad you higlighted the wheel issues with the fanatec wheels. Been driving me mental
I think it's pretty obvious for Polyphony to give the Honda CS tires. Even the racing tires in the 60s were basically like driving on slightly melted ice
The GT community are lucky to have you calling out Polyphony, I hope someones listening.
I've just gotta say, comfort tires are meant to smooth out the driving process. In real life, I've had tires that make turning the vehicle a chore, and I've had to tires that make it effortless. The tires that were a chore made turning difficult enough that we were certain there was something wrong with the power steering. So, the tire updates to force feedback is actually done to achieve a more realistic feel. That said, its still a game..and you should be able to crank the settings and make it feel how you want to feel..but then again, i think that is the part of point of the comfort tires. Being featured in a daily race is likely just to display this realistic update to the tire feel..and its just something we'll all have to deal with.
ever since 1.49 my G pro DD have really bad oscillation problems (violently turning left and right by itself) and i’ve tried everything to fix it but the only real fix is to turn FFB strength and sensitivity down to 1 giving me no feedback in general even on RS tires 😢
GT7 had lost me to acc simgrid bur these changes brought me back and this weeks race C has been a blast!
okay so it’s not just me… first thing I said when trying the new update was the physics actually feel really good, but the FFB has actually become the worse FFB I’ve personally experienced… and I’ve played f1 2016 and forza 6 back on a pretty standard belt driven wheel
The perfect format would be
A: street car race or something similar (unserious in a sense)
B: Gt 2/3/4 with short distance so it's a straight on battle
C: Long distance with pit stops, weather change, day to night etc
I feel like GT Sport went with this format or something similiar atleast
I noticed the same issue with my DD1. Was going crazy over it but I'm glad that you have the same issue, this way I know it's software related
15:35 "he's gonna turn left into turn 2 which is the wrong direction"
17:23 "four wheels on the gravel and that is not the correct line"
Once again Super GT is my font of racing knowledge and experience I don't know where I'd be without you 🙏
The ffb is like that on most high downforce cars Merc C9, Superformula, F1500 and many more its terrible as its extremely heavy on high speed but non existence on corners
I'm so bummed they did the tiny Eiger Nordwand. The full length and mixed surfaces tracks were goated.
What I’m sick of is no report system driver rating/safety ratings make no sense and penalties might be the worst I’ve ever seen
You are 100% correct, the torque scaling in the game is broken and its a GT7 issue. Nothing to do with the wheel. Its better with the new update but its missing a lot of feel still and I cannot race properly and competitively like this. I suspect with the PSVR2 adapter arriving tomorrow will mean I will move away from GT7 as each update just makes playing on wheel worse.
Daily Race B this week was actually my first Daily Race win ever in the AMG (on Mt second try. Accidentally threw myself out of turn 1 on my first attempt)
There's a distinct lack of feedback in all wheels after the update. I have stopped playing entirely as the feedback on my 8nm DD pro feels like nothing whatsoever.
If it's bad for supper gt on his 20nm wheel, just imagine how sucky it is for everyone else.
Honestly do not understand polyphony. I understand changing the feedback model, but why set the overall force to 5% of what it was before? The game is unplayable for me until they fix it.
Track and car combo is actually perfect. The 60s open wheelers used to race on such roads but I agree that if it was around 30% longer with a mendatory pit stop it would make things more interesting... the race would hold more weight n substance.
15:08 "I knew he had a wife and kids at home"
*opponent goes into the gravel* “that is not the correct line” Lolol no kidding! Hahaha
Sounds like a QA testing session for polyphonic and their new physics
I'm conflicted with this race. I had some great racing the other night here, but there's a a lot of things that hold this back from being a great Daily Race C. 😩
WTC800 at Sardines with a McLaren MP4 with lowest aero, there is little to no force feedback.
For me, the new physics are not much of an improvement. Actually, I liked playing the game more before the update, espcially on controller.
Same the only time I enjoy driving is on the dirt and snow literally hated that aspect now I enjoy it and hate some cars on some tracks like I hope we get another update as this shit does suck a lot it was perfect before
It was actually one of the best combos for Daily Race and I hope it returns soon (or at least with other classic race cars). Way more fun than racing GT3/GT4 for the millionth time.
Something's ive said forever. All the daily races are focused on gt4 and gt3 card but they rarely actually add those cars. And if they do they're like.. very out of date cars. I'm not saying they have to only add racecars. But if you're going to have gt3 and gt4 daily Races 90% then add more cars.
I dont find this race overly bad but it needs to be longer. I felt like bathurst nailed it last week. Good mix of cars that worked on a challenging but rewarding track.
There have been plenty of complaints about the tyres but no one seems to have considered that the comfort softs have been chosen to mimic period rubber. Whether it does that effectively or not is another matter entirely, but it at least is a logical reason. Certainly more logical than fitting racing slick soft tyres to a period vehicle.
i would love to see a monthly (or weekly) endurance race included to compliment the weekly race rotation
Would you say the new physics on gr3/gr4 cars are closer to your real life experience in gt cars?
Oh shit, I thought my wheel was broken!
the weirdest thing to me is that '65 f1 car appears to drive like a modern car. those should like a TON of slip angle, but it just looks like it understeers a ton and the rear is planted like its on modern slicks.
There is a definite lack of weight and force feedback in lower end cars or cars on sport or less tires
Thanks for video. For me the major problem is the lack of Force feedback. Even when I grabbed the controller, it is lacking their as well. Usually you can feel so much in the controller.
I don't have a Top tier Wheel. Just the Logitech 923, but it is good for me, or was until this update. I can adjust to the new physics, but I really need the FFB, without I will never get back to where I was. Very disappointed.
I actually loved this race. could be racing hard tires but I loved the feeling. VR felt even better.
Hello Steve, speaking about FFB and you being a very talented IRL pilot, it would be veeery interesting for me to know your opinion on the FFB accuracy of the different simcade and simulation currently available. AC, ACC, Forza, GT7, iRacing, LMU,Rennsport, … Any chance you’d do this ?
So for the experienced GT racer are the new physics more life like racing or did they really mess it up and can you compensate for the new physics in the settings?
Im noticing clipping on a dd 8nm driving the new Gallardo with any tire softer that RH, no matter what suspension values I use(and ofc the ffb being wholly inconsistent doesn’t help)
This race was awesome on a controller. Wheel not so much. Many road cars have meh wheel feedback now and even on controller it’s been reduced. GT3 cars and (GT2 only tested the CLK) felt good on controller and wheel. Okay the CLK was on controller 😅 not sure about wheel.
I personally hate the Eiger Norwand track. It’s just too vertical and you never feel like you can trust your car and the tire adhesion.
Agreed. Give us Apricot Hill back.
C'mon man. There's a bunch of boring FIA homologated tracks in the game, already. Let's keep alive the Touge spirit for those who need this kind of fix. There are very few of it in the game.
better real tracks like montreal, imola...
This race does give me Ferrari challenge the f1 version vibes. Classic car on a classic style track.
All they needed to do for this race is add 3 laps, and require a mandatory drive-thru of the pits.
After a month break I jumped back into a race last night and went with race B. Didn't qualify, and got 3rd at the end. I wasn't fast or anything, just consistent. I'm still new to sport (i mostly just play single player) so my rating is still D. First few corners were quite funny due to the carnage. Went through like 4 or 5 ghosts and then a chorus of 5 cars went off at the 2 sharp right handers lol. At the end, 4th place caught up and tried to dive bomb past me on 130R and forgot to brake and flew off track - i enjoyed that.
I don't think they have got it quite right but i think i know why they have done it. I just took a 23 formula car down route x on softs. Its extremely light at low speeds but increases dramatically at high speeds. Pretty sure it was similar at all speeds before. Anyway, they have added more road texture and bump affects, i can guarantee that as i have SIMHUB with baseshakers on my rig and I've had to turn those affects down a lot.. obviously say something like a sausage curb is going to pull your steering more st low speed than skipping over it at high speed so it may have been done for safety as it would wrench your arms round.. but yes they have over reduced it. There is also more affect of weight shift, they haven't only chsnged the car set ups as people think.. i get a load of vibration by just letting off which i never had, it was only there under braking before.. so understeer some people are getting is harsh braking and the old over downshifts people always used for rotation. Now they can over load the front wheels as all the weight has flown forward. Everything has to be a little more subtle now..
@7:22 you pulled a total George Russell- you can see on the radar how you got alongside the guy, squeezed him into the wall and then complained that he just turned straight into you as he bounces off it and back into your car 🙄
More like a max verstappen
Hey SuperGT. PD have adjusted each cars brake balance. So just move it a couple of clicks forward to re-balance the cars !.
I guess some kind of leader asked the guys, who routinely setting the races to put the daily C on the new Eiger track, which is not really a race track, more of a narrow, looped hillclimb route. I myself have ran a quali on it, but decided against racing: I suffered the double twin hairpins in an S1 Quattro doing the weekly offline races, and the Honda on Comfort tires was a bit less fun, even without company. Maybe they were realized that 15-20 lap of this, with the awkward pitlane tunnel and the narrow rejoyning path, would be very frustrating experiece, this could be the cause of the short race length. I hope next week we get something more racing-friendly, and the Gr.4 cars will return to the rotation.
I have no issues at all with the new physics or feedback. I don’t race online at all so it’s pretty clear that the issues you’re having are the terrible standard settings you’re forced to use when racing online.
I only do the online time trials, but my lap times are similar (some slightly quicker, some slightly slower) to what they were before the update. I had to make slight changes to how I drove, but overall I feel like the physics are more realistic now.
@@theKashConnoisseur it definitely feels better. The cars don’t just snap out of control and wet tracks as so much more realistic too.
Thank you. Always great content. My biggest disappointment is the lack of force feedback from Fanatec wheel after this last update (1.49)
I think my fav daily race has been when they give you the tuned street cars I really enjoy that combo the new physics are basically only good for racing tires
I’ve had some great races, it’s so hard the numpties don’t seem to be bothering. It could be longer, but it spreads out quickly.
Even the SF23 with RS feels like it has very little FFB. CSL DD wheel on max settings.
This has been the case since 1.49 with the force feedback being weaker and weaker the less grippy the tyres you use. Some cars on comfort softs can feel very vague but want to rip your arms off on racing softs.
Ahh so I'm not crazy! I just got a wheel last week and thought it was super weird how uh.. limp some of these cars felt regardless of settings. What I love the most is when I have to actually flex to turn the wheel on racecars and feel that tremendous grip and strength HNNNNGGGG
I personaly found the first Race B when GT7 was released (deep forest with road cars) to have been the best. I dunno weather that was the fact the race was all different road cars and not a class of cars like GR3/4 or one make (and it added a element of randomness to it, not to everyones taste i know), that or its all rose tinted glasses talking but i do look back at that time fondly.
They made it more competitive for controllers? Feeling the grip with force feedback is what makes the big difference with a wheel. Just a thought.
"The guy on the Lambo is going to CONTINUE turning left, and finding himself into a wall" _ that made me laugh 😆
Very Fitting !😂😂😂 6:43
Introducing a new track without a 24hr time cycle or dynamic weather is a bit of a joke at this point, especially when it’s fictional.
oh damn.. ive actually been looking forward to the next race featuring this legendary f1 beast..
The release notes suggest users of GTDD pro switch the AS mode on the wheel. I did that and think the update is brilliant. Try it because I had same issue.
Is it possible that the lack of tyre changes and being stuck with comfort soft could be Polyphony trying to simulate the old style racing since it's an old formula vehicle? Could the lack of steering feedback be something Polyphony wanted to simulate "comfort"? Maybe back in the old days they didn't change their tyres? Maybe everyone used the tyres available to them, which may have more likely been an average tyre, maybe?