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Go to RV shows with a piece of tape on your shirt that reads "not buying"... Buy a new year old model.. Buy at the end of the quarter.. Offer what you want to pay to multiple dealers.. Make your offer an out the door price... I did all these things myself. I bought a 2018 in 2019 in March. I offered $50k on a sales price of $62k.. They accepted my offer so I drove 5hrs to see the unit.. They had it and the paperwork ready.. I told them I had to sleep on it and drove home. The next day they called and offered the unit for $48k. I told them I'd go $45k and they accepted..
great tips....my 2 Biggest tips: rent (as mentioned) and after purchasing SPEND A NIGHT OR 2 in the dealer parking lot and go over EVERYTHING. seriously, this is huge. Dealers will fix ANYTHING FAST at the time of purchase. DO NOT drive it off the lot until every square inch is taken care of
I was going to watch this but I want to thank you for identifying it as basic info that everyone already knows with the “don’t buy an rv until you watch THIS video” disclaimer. We always know that means “a 30 second google search will get you all the information about to be shared”. Thank you for saving me a good amount of time. As a thank you, I wanted to engage and help with the algorithm, so that is why I am commenting 🙂
This was an excellent RV Buying Tips video. 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 When you mention you would now like the beds on each side rather than one in the back, I suggest measuring the width and length of the mattress/bed (that’s in the Class B you want) and get a cheap mattress topper and cut it to the exact size of the Class B mattress/bed, then sleep on that for a couple nights to find out if you really do want one that narrow & especially the length (take special note of the length of each bed in your desired Class B-usually one side is shorter than the other to accommodate kitchen counter, etc). You can put the mattress topper on your own mattress at home to sleep on, but put something to keep you confined to the sized mattress topper you cut. It’s just to try the size out, not the comfortability of the Class B mattress. Also, make sure you each sit in the driver seat to make sure you have enough leg space-not all driver’s seat can be pushed back as far as you may need).
Very good advice and yes its time to get a Travato K model. For the both of you a white Travato with the volta lithium system. And for Bob add a lift kit, tires and wheels and a brush guard. You can transfer the ladder from the model you have now. You will be so happy!
I am an active senior whether that matters or not. I have owned a seasonal trailer before but looking at first time motorhome. I need to understand basics from using the toilet, dumping, cooking fumes and limitations and the basics. Also I love to grill so would be looking to take a weber baby small charcoal bbq. Any ideas. ? On my own with a dog. 😊 p.S its my retirement dream to drive and camp across Canada
I was originally going to get the Thor Sequence 20J with Pop-top, our local La Mesa had a used one in stock . My wife and I went to check it out. While inspecting the unit (It had 2000 miles on it) - that's already a bad sign for a used one, I found screws on the floor near the driver side. My wife said she did not like the unit's quality of materials. La Mesa didn't want to make a deal, this was in 2021. So there's that. I then checked a few more TH-cam videos and found that Couchman's Beyond 22C had rave reviews. I joined their Facebook group and found many people writing praises for the build quality. Dove tail drawers, maple wood, high quality finish and manufacturer support. I took the plunge and waited 10 months for the build. Glad that I did. The only issue I had was the screen door, and a broken sliding door window (Ford Manufacturer defect). I also had a few minor issues with a bad tire stem valve (Ford) where the tire had a slow leak. Fixed for free at Discount Tires! Shout out to them!
Very nice video! I agree with everything. Must say my 2021 Thor 20AT has 31K miles and noooo major issues at all never back to dealer. Only issues noticed some loose screws here and there replaced. Oh and I drove over a curb and crushed gray tank hose so had it taken off and now luv my little spout it has. Also maybe buying as a second owner with a max 1 yr old vehicle usually kinks worked out😂
Great advice. We’re seasoned RV owners and just recently bought a class B van since it’s one of the remaining things we’ve not owned yet. You didn’t mention which kind you were in about mid episode, but it’s the exact Travato 59K we now have. We love the features and the layout. Only had it a couple of weeks so far, but so far, so good. We also looked at the Thor Telero, and while we like it at first glance, there were many things we had concerns about. Your recent video on your camper illustrates most of that.
One point I would add is how handy are you? Lots of things are going to need fixing no matter how much you spend. If you have to go to the dealer for everything, the rig spends more time there than the campground. Some folks have their rig tied up for months at a time waiting to be fixed.
Yes these guys are handy but look how much time lost to figure out repairs and then when repairs too complex having to leave the rig for weeks or longer.
All GREAT tips! I am in the 3rd year of my Class B research. Have already changed my mind on what i thought we wanted. We have decided on the 2024 Travato 59k. What's killing me is the price has increased greatly since 2020 (but so have the features).
howdy - we were wanting to down size from our not very big 24' Class C to the Travato 59K, but even though it comes from a very reputable manufacturer, we know because the same one made our Class C, my wife doesn't want that chassis. Maybe because her brother has his own auto repair shop. Anyway, we are considering the Pleasure Way OnTour 2.0 as it is on the AWD Ford Transit chassis with the 3.5 Eco boost and 8 speed transmission similar to the tranny in our Class C, which is very capable and easy to drive. We want the short wheelbase as it will become her daily driver (acceptable gas mileage) so we can get rid of her Highlander and the aforementioned Class C. Not to mention the OnTour comes with a 5 year warranty from manufacturer. Wish us luck!
I've owned 5 RV's over the past 20 years and sold my last RV 3 years ago. Lately, I've been thinking about buying a class B and looked at a few. I told myself when I sold the last RV that I would never buy another. But, here I am looking at RV's. After watching a few of your videos, all the memories came back about how much maintenance and repairs go into owning an RV - and my RV's were all high-end RV's. I'll admit that the problems with your RV are extreme, but my high-end RV's had lots of problems too. Thanks for the reality check.
Excellent recommendations from a couple of SEASONED RV buyers! Also, sometimes "you don't know what you don't know" about HOW you will use your RV. Road trippin'? Camping at RV parks? Hitting the BLM rough roads? Taking the Interstates? Taking only two lanes? Quick weekend excursions? LONG extended cross country trips? Are you a destination camper rushing to a spot or a meandering "stop at every coffee shop and farmer's market" kind of roamer putting on a 150 miles a day and staying at a different place every night? ALL of that will affect your decision.
Try before you buy is essential. It is a test of the unit and the lifestyle and the logistics. Renting for more than a week is also encouraged. Yes, rental costs are eye popping, but if it turns out your mind is changed or altered, that is huge. Good video!
This was VERY helpful and I wish I had known even a little of this information before buying my class B. The best advice for a total RV Newbie is ...Don't Be! That's right, don't be a newbie at your first purchase. Learn as much as you can BEFORE you buy an RV!!! Find and learn from a trusted RV mechanic, or someone with some experience with RVs, and learn what it takes to do some maintenance and light repairs yourself. There will be ongoing maintenance and repairs with any rig! An RV purchase is not like buying a new car! Then when you have graduated from newbie status, and if you still want to own a rig, GO FOR IT! 🏞️All the best to you!
Some seniors or those not mechanical minded should not purchase rv's? Is that the state of rving in America? The more customers accept this the less incentive manufacturers have to provide quality product.
Some seniors or those not mechanical minded should not purchase rv's? Is that the state of rving in America? The more customers accept this the less incentive manufacturers have to provide quality product.
Great video! They say 3rd time is a charm….if you sold your “Mr. Lemon” what would you choose next? For me, my first Rv would be a 2020-2023 AWD Ford Transit cargo van that I would build out. . . but hire someone to do the electrical stuff. I do not want propane.
Nicely done! What should be Number 1 is don't buy a Thor right?! Item 2 is to check via all the venues you mention into the reputation of good and timely SERVICE and especially waiting time for appointments is for the dealer you are considering purchasing the RV from. Warranties--they sound good but if it takes weeks or months to get parts and similar timeframes to get the actual service- WALK AWAY FROM THAT DEALER. I think warranties should now include either payments for loss of use and/or loaners you can use while your RV sits in the service yard. By my estimation the ratio of sales people to service people is on the order of 4-1 or more. Your advice about recording the walk through is great, I would add, take the time to look it all over carefully--poor molding are not little things, the are a symptom of poor workmanship AND quality control and should raise a warning flag--you guys know this very well. I would add, look under the RV--lot's of important stuff under your floor. Financing--there are lots of a independent entities out there that can finance an RV and they often offer better interest rates and more that a dealer won't. Check them out. Know that you are pre-approved for financing when you start to shop.
Spot on advice! I spent 2k renting a thor 18m twice!!! The best 2k I spent since I ended up with a Winnebago Pocket! 😂 Spent a year on facebook groups as well.
We highly agree with all your suggestions. We might add, visit the factory if possible. You get a great feel for the quality of your build. We were fortunate enough to get a tour of Embassy. A great company. Unfortunately, our budget did not work for a new Embassy so we ended up with a used Winnebago Paseo. (We'd done 8 of your 10 suggestions and are very happy thus far with the result). I am 6'5" so basically the only class B we could consider had to be based on the Ford Transit and even then, some models had limited head room. Glad we took the time because I can actually take a shower standing up. Also, as we sleep together and, for the most part, travel with the bed made up, we did not want a rear bath that we would have to climb over the bed when we wanted to get to it. We enjoy your posts. Hope to meet you on the road some time.
Get the Travato 59KL you guys deserve it :) Great information. WishI saw this before we bought our van. But to be honest I think we would have bought the same van anyway :)
I think our budgets are close to the same. I'm thinking of buying a used higher-end class b instead of a new one in that same price range. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Honestly my thoughts are a used higher end one one would probably have a lot of the kinks worked out and might be a good way to go. I would just still have an inspector give a full inspection.
We purchased our used RV from a dealership. The original owners turned in their Class B motorhome to buy a new one... everything worked from day one..... But, I learned a lot as time went on.... first, never purchase an RV with "low generator hours".. Generators need exercise and regular service.... Avoid propane refrigerators, actually an all electric RV is probably a good idea.... Don't get hydronic heat ... sounds cool, but, I'm glad we don't have it. Everything I've read online is that it's a PITA ... If you're on a budget, don't get diesel.... diesel is great, and it's a top performance vehicle, fuel economy is fantastic... and super smooth.... but, you'll pay more for maintenance. Look at the reputation of the company building your conversion..... details matter... Actually, Embassy RV is a great value for the money...we have a friend with one....on the Ford Transit.....Ford makes a really good van..... Finally, price is ONLY one factor in any transaction... the real question is...." Can you work with these people"? Will they stand behind their product or just run away and hide? You don't want them to just delay, delay, delay and run out the warranty and your patience....
Hi Bob and Hillary 🤗 This video was right on point! Do your home work first ! This is good advice... Thank you both for the truth.. and your honesty !!! 👍👍👍👏👏👏 P.S. We still like our Thor 18m B- van ..even with some problems ..that needed to get fixed!! We love are van it fits our needs !!! Have a great day !!! 😊😁🌄❤️
Loved your tips. I learned exactly what you said. Went from a Thor Rize 18M to a Storyteller mode Lt the lowest price model of Storyteller Ford AWD Quality #1 reason. Their manufacturing process is quality not by the volume. Watched every video from other owners I could. Finally every point you made is 100% Correct and wish I had them before the first purchase
Great tips! We joined every kind of van group on Facebook before purchasing our van! 🤣 Every single one of them were filled with problems the owners were having. I think it’s just the way it is with RV living. In the end, we went with the Thor Sequence 20K because of the lower price. So far, we’ve only had a few problems that we’ve fixed ourselves. 🤞🤞 Hopefully Mr. Lemon will start behaving! Or, maybe you should trade his sorry butt in for a Travato 59K or a Tellaro 20L! What are the odds that you would get 2 lemons in a row? 😂
Great job. BTW when was date you were at this show as I am looking at prices and they do seem to be a bit lower. They have jumped so high since covid. ty
ty are you seeing prices getting any lower? Do you feel they will be coming down? What are your thoughts on BT Cruiser short B+/c class? It has split beds non wet bath larger fridge?@@Vancaskeys
Great tips . I current interested in the Thor Scope 18m and thought I had done my Homework. “Not after this great video”. Ive have two travel trailers and want to consolidaste to a class B. Still on the fence on what company and which one is not like MR Lemon. I’m no BOB, so it s the dealer and me.
What about RV inspections. Have you gotten them? Also I wonder about tradeoff between constant repairs and having maybe a Grech. More expensive but less headaches?
Thank you for this practical advice! So many get caught up with the beauty and overlook any kind of burden that may be associated with such a purchase. I appreciate your channel.😊
I have Thor tellaro 20AT bought almost 3yrs ago during pandemic. I had issue but nothing compared what you guys had. We have our complaint but it’s our first rv and it made lots fun memory for us. Lately been very interest want to trade in for navion class c so it’s more comfortable but it’s hard to justify true extra cost and money going to lose trading in the tellaro. But more all the good memories we had especially trip during the pandemics. So probably going to wait till I can afford two rv so I have a c and b :)
I researched for 8 months just B vans. (We had a teardrop but hooking up caused too much pain for husband). So van is what was left (I knew it all along but he was nervous about money). Read everything I could get my hands on. Watched every TH-cam video on our final ones. Joined the group months ahead. Looked up articles on vans. Did RV shows. But we are also very tent camping trained. We still have a hard time using a sink. Had the van for months before we used sink this last week. We like using the bathrooms at campgrounds or bucket when boondocking (again used to camping). So I think for us, most vans would work. As long as in good shape. The length of bed and width is the number 1 item for us due to age and pain. So when I researched….all Thors had no bed that worked for us….class B. BUT hands down get an inspector. QC just has not been the same as before Covid. I feel bad for you two for you have had more than your share of issues. I would have loved a storyteller but just way more than we could pay in retirement. My suggestion is one of the travatos. Or maybe it is a class B+…..around $200,000 like a leisure travel unity. They are real nice. Or a pleasure way. I really am sorry you two are going through this, but great video to to help others!! Enjoy your videos!!
The more research you do the more you will realize that you don't want to buy one. That is unless you have a lot of money that you don't want to lose. The romance of the road is not what it's cracked up to be.
You really need to look at Embassy RV vans. Floorplans like you want and super quality and service after the sale. Also, NO dealers only direct from factory.
In the process of buying a Pleasure-Way Plateau TS . I have not had a inspector come out and check this RV. I am the third owner of this RV. The RV currently has 22,000 miles on it and is a 2019. My understanding is Pleasure-Way is a very highly rated company. That's why I haven't chose to go to the extra expense of having it inspected do you think I'm making a mistake?
I found this video outstanding. I think it literally could save people from buying the wrong RV. The key point to me is go with a respected brand. Thor seems to have had many quality issues during covid where the other manufacturers did not. Plus basic Thor engineering, like of the batteries seems very poor. In retrospect with all the issues you and others have had with Thor, would it be worth it to spend 50% more to get a Winnebago or Coachmen? For many I bet it would.
I am getting ready to purchase a 2023 Sequence 20K. I have been watching your videos and seeing all the problems you've been having. Should I be worried? Would you recommend this brand or another? Thank you,
Love your video. I can’t afford a lithium van but have a dog and concerned about leaving her in the van if I am in a warm area off the grid. Wondered if one of those portable lithium power packs would be a worthy addition, although it can’t run the A/C.
Hi guys, have you ever seen a Winnebago Era? Seems like a Travato on a Mercedes chassis. Still giving serious consideration of buying the Travato but have never seen the Era and wonder if it’s worth the extra $$$. Thanks for any thoughts!
My first RV was a 1989 camper van purchased in 2000. I bought it from an elderly couple. The seller's wife said to "make sure all the stuff you put in the fridge was good and cold before you put it in there." That should have been a warning sign. I found out later that the fridge did zero cooling, it just ran. That was a small 3-way fridge that was going to cost me $1,000 to replace, which was probably a third of what I paid for the vehicle. I put in a cheap dorm fridge since I was only going short local distances to use it. The van had a little less than 120k miles on it. The first time I had it in for maintenance the mechanic said the engine's lower end was knocking, and the motor was worn out and due to fail at any time. Buyer beware.
Hello, hello from Puerto Rico, we are looking for a RV , and looking for all the information , videos and plan to go to the next Tampa RV show in Florida we went in January 2023 just to see what’s happens, now we decided to buy, but the problem is that we have to registered in mainland USA and don’t have address there...let’s see what happens, thanks for your help and information
Many dealers won't le you test drive without making an offer where I live at least. An experienced RVer will often know what they're looking at, but for a newbie they don't know what they don't know, so it really tough.
Pleasure-way is a better ‘made’ Class B….. JMHO! You forgot…… big differences between gas and diesel are two different vehicles!!!! And know that diesel upkeep is ‘expensive’!!!!
I am my dads care taker and I just don't like living in an apartment. So many rules, and no privacy. Do you find that this is a problem in the RV living?
I was just wondering why you’ve never purchase a Ford transit? Is there a reason for that because I sold Fords for 35 years and I believe that the Ford transit is much better product than the Dodge! Just wondering!
Unfortunately all manufacturers have issues some more than others, Thor does have issues but they happen to sell the most RV’s - hence more RV’s sold more problems it goes with being #1.
Thank you for this info I already have two divorces and now I look back and I see this investment will be less painful than the price I paid for my freedom via divorces but judge judi she is getting the fridge but I want the straws for those juice voxes
If you custom build out your RV, be warned that your INSURER may require an inspection beware they give you a custom quote, if they will insure it at all! And they will accept the value of installed equipment, but the cost of all the labor you put into it is ZERO in their eyes. They won't pay someone else to repeat your labor. As you said--call your insurance first.
RVers are truck and bus drivers. If you can not pay cash you are not entitled to own it because you don't. The bank owns it. All of mine are 20 to 30 years old when I pay cash for them. I can throw away my RV and loose less money that the first year of depreciation of a new unit.
Research,research, indeed. I chose EMBASSY because of my what is has, but, what it doesn’t have. No black tank, no solar (totally ineffective) no propane, no a/c on the roof, no wood (no mold down the road later) the most effective insulation package in the industry, true 4 season capability. Research 🙏🙏
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Go to RV shows with a piece of tape on your shirt that reads "not buying"... Buy a new year old model.. Buy at the end of the quarter.. Offer what you want to pay to multiple dealers.. Make your offer an out the door price... I did all these things myself. I bought a 2018 in 2019 in March. I offered $50k on a sales price of $62k.. They accepted my offer so I drove 5hrs to see the unit.. They had it and the paperwork ready.. I told them I had to sleep on it and drove home. The next day they called and offered the unit for $48k. I told them I'd go $45k and they accepted..
great tips....my 2 Biggest tips: rent (as mentioned) and after purchasing SPEND A NIGHT OR 2 in the dealer parking lot and go over EVERYTHING. seriously, this is huge. Dealers will fix ANYTHING FAST at the time of purchase. DO NOT drive it off the lot until every square inch is taken care of
I was going to watch this but I want to thank you for identifying it as basic info that everyone already knows with the “don’t buy an rv until you watch THIS video” disclaimer. We always know that means “a 30 second google search will get you all the information about to be shared”. Thank you for saving me a good amount of time. As a thank you, I wanted to engage and help with the algorithm, so that is why I am commenting 🙂
This was an excellent RV Buying Tips video. 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
When you mention you would now like the beds on each side rather than one in the back, I suggest measuring the width and length of the mattress/bed (that’s in the Class B you want) and get a cheap mattress topper and cut it to the exact size of the Class B mattress/bed, then sleep on that for a couple nights to find out if you really do want one that narrow & especially the length (take special note of the length of each bed in your desired Class B-usually one side is shorter than the other to accommodate kitchen counter, etc). You can put the mattress topper on your own mattress at home to sleep on, but put something to keep you confined to the sized mattress topper you cut. It’s just to try the size out, not the comfortability of the Class B mattress. Also, make sure you each sit in the driver seat to make sure you have enough leg space-not all driver’s seat can be pushed back as far as you may need).
Thank you! Seriously this an excellent ideas will be doing it!
“Driving down the road in your house, that’s in an earthquake all the time.” Best line ever!!!, and absolutely true. Thanks for another great video.
Haha! Thanks!
Very good advice and yes its time to get a Travato K model. For the both of you a white Travato with the volta lithium system. And for Bob add a lift kit, tires and wheels and a brush guard. You can transfer the ladder from the model you have now. You will be so happy!
Thanks! This sounds like the perfect set up! Sign us up 😂
I am an active senior whether that matters or not. I have owned a seasonal trailer before but looking at first time motorhome. I need to understand basics from using the toilet, dumping, cooking fumes and limitations and the basics. Also I love to grill so would be looking to take a weber baby small charcoal bbq. Any ideas. ? On my own with a dog. 😊 p.S its my retirement dream to drive and camp across Canada
I was originally going to get the Thor Sequence 20J with Pop-top, our local La Mesa had a used one in stock . My wife and I went to check it out. While inspecting the unit (It had 2000 miles on it) - that's already a bad sign for a used one, I found screws on the floor near the driver side. My wife said she did not like the unit's quality of materials. La Mesa didn't want to make a deal, this was in 2021. So there's that. I then checked a few more TH-cam videos and found that Couchman's Beyond 22C had rave reviews. I joined their Facebook group and found many people writing praises for the build quality. Dove tail drawers, maple wood, high quality finish and manufacturer support. I took the plunge and waited 10 months for the build. Glad that I did. The only issue I had was the screen door, and a broken sliding door window (Ford Manufacturer defect). I also had a few minor issues with a bad tire stem valve (Ford) where the tire had a slow leak. Fixed for free at Discount Tires! Shout out to them!
Very nice video! I agree with everything. Must say my 2021 Thor 20AT has 31K miles and noooo major issues at all never back to dealer. Only issues noticed some loose screws here and there replaced. Oh and I drove over a curb and crushed gray tank hose so had it taken off and now luv my little spout it has. Also maybe buying as a second owner with a max 1 yr old vehicle usually kinks worked out😂
Great advice. We’re seasoned RV owners and just recently bought a class B van since it’s one of the remaining things we’ve not owned yet. You didn’t mention which kind you were in about mid episode, but it’s the exact Travato 59K we now have. We love the features and the layout. Only had it a couple of weeks so far, but so far, so good. We also looked at the Thor Telero, and while we like it at first glance, there were many things we had concerns about. Your recent video on your camper illustrates most of that.
Have you guys come across any new models that has a propane stove or a oven. I agree with your take on the microwave being useless.
One point I would add is how handy are you? Lots of things are going to need fixing no matter how much you spend. If you have to go to the dealer for everything, the rig spends more time there than the campground. Some folks have their rig tied up for months at a time waiting to be fixed.
Yes these guys are handy but look how much time lost to figure out repairs and then when repairs too complex having to leave the rig for weeks or longer.
Thank you so much for your honesty!!! We are retired and have been looking at Class B vans…boy oh boy do we appreciate your videos!
Our pleasure! So happy they are helping you guys!
All GREAT tips! I am in the 3rd year of my Class B research. Have already changed my mind on what i thought we wanted. We have decided on the 2024 Travato 59k. What's killing me is the price has increased greatly since 2020 (but so have the features).
howdy - we were wanting to down size from our not very big 24' Class C to the Travato 59K, but even though it comes from a very reputable manufacturer, we know because the same one made our Class C, my wife doesn't want that chassis. Maybe because her brother has his own auto repair shop. Anyway, we are considering the Pleasure Way OnTour 2.0 as it is on the AWD Ford Transit chassis with the 3.5 Eco boost and 8 speed transmission similar to the tranny in our Class C, which is very capable and easy to drive. We want the short wheelbase as it will become her daily driver (acceptable gas mileage) so we can get rid of her Highlander and the aforementioned Class C. Not to mention the OnTour comes with a 5 year warranty from manufacturer. Wish us luck!
Thank you for this video
You’re welcome!
When you buy you expect quality. Your ram was a lemon. You guys fixed everything on yours.
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I've owned 5 RV's over the past 20 years and sold my last RV 3 years ago. Lately, I've been thinking about buying a class B and looked at a few. I told myself when I sold the last RV that I would never buy another. But, here I am looking at RV's. After watching a few of your videos, all the memories came back about how much maintenance and repairs go into owning an RV - and my RV's were all high-end RV's. I'll admit that the problems with your RV are extreme, but my high-end RV's had lots of problems too. Thanks for the reality check.
Thank you so much!
You're welcome!
Love this video. Very helpful
Thanks Joey!
Good job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Excellent recommendations from a couple of SEASONED RV buyers! Also, sometimes "you don't know what you don't know" about HOW you will use your RV. Road trippin'? Camping at RV parks? Hitting the BLM rough roads? Taking the Interstates? Taking only two lanes? Quick weekend excursions? LONG extended cross country trips? Are you a destination camper rushing to a spot or a meandering "stop at every coffee shop and farmer's market" kind of roamer putting on a 150 miles a day and staying at a different place every night? ALL of that will affect your decision.
Love all of this!! SO GOOD! Thanks for adding all this!
Did not hear any mention of INSURANCE. Which companies even offer it?
Our car insurance company offers it. I think most do. We have Safeco.
Try before you buy is essential. It is a test of the unit and the lifestyle and the logistics. Renting for more than a week is also encouraged. Yes, rental costs are eye popping, but if it turns out your mind is changed or altered, that is huge. Good video!
Well said!
What if you are going to buy from an individual and it’s out of state?
Thank you for this review. Currently researching camper vans, so this was immensely helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
This was VERY helpful and I wish I had known even a little of this information before buying my class B. The best advice for a total RV Newbie is ...Don't Be! That's right, don't be a newbie at your first purchase. Learn as much as you can BEFORE you buy an RV!!! Find and learn from a trusted RV mechanic, or someone with some experience with RVs, and learn what it takes to do some maintenance and light repairs yourself. There will be ongoing maintenance and repairs with any rig! An RV purchase is not like buying a new car! Then when you have graduated from newbie status, and if you still want to own a rig, GO FOR IT! 🏞️All the best to you!
Thanks! Agree!
Some seniors or those not mechanical minded should not purchase rv's? Is that the state of rving in America? The more customers accept this the less incentive manufacturers have to provide quality product.
Some seniors or those not mechanical minded should not purchase rv's? Is that the state of rving in America? The more customers accept this the less incentive manufacturers have to provide quality product.
Great video! They say 3rd time is a charm….if you sold your “Mr. Lemon” what would you choose next? For me, my first Rv would be a 2020-2023 AWD Ford Transit cargo van that I would build out. . . but hire someone to do the electrical stuff. I do not want propane.
Thank you! We love the Winnebago Travato. But ideally we’d love to custom build one.
Embassy. Check it out!🙏
Nicely done! What should be Number 1 is don't buy a Thor right?! Item 2 is to check via all the venues you mention into the reputation of good and timely SERVICE and especially waiting time for appointments is for the dealer you are considering purchasing the RV from. Warranties--they sound good but if it takes weeks or months to get parts and similar timeframes to get the actual service- WALK AWAY FROM THAT DEALER. I think warranties should now include either payments for loss of use and/or loaners you can use while your RV sits in the service yard. By my estimation the ratio of sales people to service people is on the order of 4-1 or more. Your advice about recording the walk through is great, I would add, take the time to look it all over carefully--poor molding are not little things, the are a symptom of poor workmanship AND quality control and should raise a warning flag--you guys know this very well. I would add, look under the RV--lot's of important stuff under your floor. Financing--there are lots of a independent entities out there that can finance an RV and they often offer better interest rates and more that a dealer won't. Check them out. Know that you are pre-approved for financing when you start to shop.
Spot on advice! I spent 2k renting a thor 18m twice!!! The best 2k I spent since I ended up with a Winnebago Pocket! 😂 Spent a year on facebook groups as well.
Way to go! 👏👏👏
We highly agree with all your suggestions. We might add, visit the factory if possible. You get a great feel for the quality of your build. We were fortunate enough to get a tour of Embassy. A great company. Unfortunately, our budget did not work for a new Embassy so we ended up with a used Winnebago Paseo. (We'd done 8 of your 10 suggestions and are very happy thus far with the result). I am 6'5" so basically the only class B we could consider had to be based on the Ford Transit and even then, some models had limited head room. Glad we took the time because I can actually take a shower standing up. Also, as we sleep together and, for the most part, travel with the bed made up, we did not want a rear bath that we would have to climb over the bed when we wanted to get to it. We enjoy your posts. Hope to meet you on the road some time.
Great ADD! We'd love to meet you on the road sometime!
Get the Travato 59KL you guys deserve it :) Great information. WishI saw this before we bought our van. But to be honest I think we would have bought the same van anyway :)
Haha! Thanks!
You should look at Embassy RV class B in Elkhart. We love ours!
Love it! Will have too!
I think our budgets are close to the same. I'm thinking of buying a used higher-end class b instead of a new one in that same price range. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Honestly my thoughts are a used higher end one one would probably have a lot of the kinks worked out and might be a good way to go. I would just still have an inspector give a full inspection.
Thank you. I really enjoy your videos!
I guarantee your next purchase won’t have the name Thor in it
Truth 😂
I just watched a video about a Pleasureway… they turned a corner and the refrigerator fell on the floor. They’re all messed up.
@@hikerhobby1204 oh no!
We purchased our used RV from a dealership. The original owners turned in their Class B motorhome to buy a new one... everything worked from day one.....
But, I learned a lot as time went on.... first, never purchase an RV with "low generator hours".. Generators need exercise and regular service....
Avoid propane refrigerators, actually an all electric RV is probably a good idea....
Don't get hydronic heat ... sounds cool, but, I'm glad we don't have it. Everything I've read online is that it's a PITA ...
If you're on a budget, don't get diesel.... diesel is great, and it's a top performance vehicle, fuel economy is fantastic... and super smooth.... but, you'll pay more for maintenance.
Look at the reputation of the company building your conversion..... details matter...
Actually, Embassy RV is a great value for the money...we have a friend with one....on the Ford Transit.....Ford makes a really good van.....
Finally, price is ONLY one factor in any transaction... the real question is...." Can you work with these people"? Will they stand behind their product or just run away and hide? You don't want them to just delay, delay, delay and run out the warranty and your patience....
Unfortunately, they are all junk these days regardless of brand.
Awesome video guys❤very helpful!!! Thank u. Haven't bought my 1st one so need Ed this!!!!🎉
Yay!!!
Hi Bob and Hillary 🤗
This video was right on point! Do your home work first ! This is good advice... Thank you both for the truth.. and your honesty !!! 👍👍👍👏👏👏
P.S. We still like our Thor 18m B- van ..even with some problems ..that needed to get fixed!! We love are van it fits our needs !!!
Have a great day !!! 😊😁🌄❤️
Yes! Thank you! Glad you guys are enjoying your van! Love to hear it! ❤😀
Loved your tips. I learned exactly what you said. Went from a Thor Rize 18M to a Storyteller mode Lt the lowest price model of Storyteller Ford AWD
Quality #1 reason. Their manufacturing process is quality not by the volume. Watched every video from other owners I could.
Finally every point you made is 100% Correct and wish I had them before the first purchase
Thank you!! We don't know what we don't know. Glad you found the perfect one for you!
I’ve been thinking of buying for two years now. You’ve been very helpful 💐
Glad it was helpful!
This is exactly why my wife and I built our own.
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Same here! It’s been quite the project building out our van, but we know how everything works in it and can fix it.
Like several people commented in your previous video you will be happier with your own build or professional build with quality control.
We can’t wait to build one one day 😃
Great tips! We joined every kind of van group on Facebook before purchasing our van! 🤣 Every single one of them were filled with problems the owners were having. I think it’s just the way it is with RV living. In the end, we went with the Thor Sequence 20K because of the lower price. So far, we’ve only had a few problems that we’ve fixed ourselves. 🤞🤞 Hopefully Mr. Lemon will start behaving! Or, maybe you should trade his sorry butt in for a Travato 59K or a Tellaro 20L! What are the odds that you would get 2 lemons in a row? 😂
Love hearing this! Love that you haven’t had many issues! And we agree the odds would have to be super lower in getting another Lemon 🍋 😂🤣😂
Was the RV show really that empty? Looked like there was no one there
Yes...but it might have been because we were there at 4pm on a Friday.
I think you should do a video where you test drive a Grech. I've heard it doesn't have the 'shake, rattle, and roll' of the Thor.
We totally want to! Great idea.
Nice video
Great advise guys. We didn’t do any of those things, lol, jumped right in. I assure you, next time we will. 😊
Haha!! Clearly us too! We learned the hard way!
Enjoyed the video, thanks..
Thanks!
Great job. BTW when was date you were at this show as I am looking at prices and they do seem to be a bit lower. They have jumped so high since covid. ty
We were there in July 2023
ty are you seeing prices getting any lower? Do you feel they will be coming down? What are your thoughts on BT Cruiser short B+/c class? It has split beds non wet bath larger fridge?@@Vancaskeys
We have a 2018 Travato K and love it
Awesome!
Great tips . I current interested in the Thor Scope 18m and thought I had done my Homework. “Not after this great video”. Ive have two travel trailers and want to consolidaste to a class B. Still on the fence on what company and which one is not like MR Lemon. I’m no BOB, so it s the dealer and me.
Good luck. Glad you are doing your research. One of the Thor Facebook groups we are in has lots of people that love their Scope 18m.
This was EXTREMELY helpful!
I'm so glad!
Good, helpful advice and no fluff! 👍🏾
Thanks!
What about RV inspections. Have you gotten them?
Also I wonder about tradeoff between constant repairs and having maybe a Grech. More expensive but less headaches?
Awesome videos! Super helpful im just looking now ...
Thank you for this practical advice! So many get caught up with the beauty and overlook any kind of burden that may be associated with such a purchase. I appreciate your channel.😊
Great video, thanks for the tips. What are you thoughts about the Airstream RangeLine?
Thanks! We are fans of the Rangeline but have not done the research to make sure it’s a good one.
Thank you guys!
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Excellent tips!!! Another great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great tips. Thank you.
You are so welcome!
Number one hire a pro to inspect the RV to make sure all the problems are fixed before you buy it
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thank you so much for the info shared
Glad it was helpful!
Great Info !! Well done ! 👍
Thanks Doug!
I have Thor tellaro 20AT bought almost 3yrs ago during pandemic. I had issue but nothing compared what you guys had. We have our complaint but it’s our first rv and it made lots fun memory for us. Lately been very interest want to trade in for navion class c so it’s more comfortable but it’s hard to justify true extra cost and money going to lose trading in the tellaro. But more all the good memories we had especially trip during the pandemics. So probably going to wait till I can afford two rv so I have a c and b :)
I researched for 8 months just B vans. (We had a teardrop but hooking up caused too much pain for husband). So van is what was left (I knew it all along but he was nervous about money). Read everything I could get my hands on. Watched every TH-cam video on our final ones. Joined the group months ahead. Looked up articles on vans. Did RV shows. But we are also very tent camping trained. We still have a hard time using a sink. Had the van for months before we used sink this last week. We like using the bathrooms at campgrounds or bucket when boondocking (again used to camping). So I think for us, most vans would work. As long as in good shape. The length of bed and width is the number 1 item for us due to age and pain. So when I researched….all Thors had no bed that worked for us….class B. BUT hands down get an inspector. QC just has not been the same as before Covid. I feel bad for you two for you have had more than your share of issues. I would have loved a storyteller but just way more than we could pay in retirement. My suggestion is one of the travatos. Or maybe it is a class B+…..around $200,000 like a leisure travel unity. They are real nice. Or a pleasure way. I really am sorry you two are going through this, but great video to to help others!! Enjoy your videos!!
Great video. @winnebagorvs we are still waiting on those Travatos. I’d like mine in red please.
Lol!! 😂
Very helpful tips. Thank you for breaking it down and making it easy to understand.
The more research you do the more you will realize that you don't want to buy one. That is unless you have a lot of money that you don't want to lose. The romance of the road is not what it's cracked up to be.
Well, I just said goodbye to our "22" Thor Tellaro L (Mrs. Lemon) with the peeling contact paper. 😢 Got a "23"/"23" Trovato.😊
Ugh! Sorry but sounds like you did the right thing! Happy Travels!
@@Vancaskeys Soon headed to the U P, from Michigan but never crossed over the Bridge.
You really need to look at Embassy RV vans. Floorplans like you want and super quality and service after the sale. Also, NO dealers only direct from factory.
In the process of buying a Pleasure-Way Plateau TS . I have not had a inspector come out and check this RV. I am the third owner of this RV. The RV currently has 22,000 miles on it and is a 2019. My understanding is Pleasure-Way is a very highly rated company. That's why I haven't chose to go to the extra expense of having it inspected do you think I'm making a mistake?
Did you get it? Was thinking there might be a reason it’s going on the third owner.
❤Thank you..great video
Thanks!
Good Tips...RV's Drop like a Rock. always buy used....
I found this video outstanding. I think it literally could save people from buying the wrong RV. The key point to me is go with a respected brand. Thor seems to have had many quality issues during covid where the other manufacturers did not. Plus basic Thor engineering, like of the batteries seems very poor. In retrospect with all the issues you and others have had with Thor, would it be worth it to spend 50% more to get a Winnebago or Coachmen? For many I bet it would.
we got a class b airstream for$ 39,000 and put about 4k in it. Its very old but runs good. it is a 2006 Dodge Sprinter Van made by Airstream.
Good one
Thank you! Cheers!
I am getting ready to purchase a 2023 Sequence 20K. I have been watching your videos and seeing all the problems you've been having. Should I be worried? Would you recommend this brand or another? Thank you,
The price of the Sequence is attractive. THOR has not been making Class B's very long. Not sure about durability and resale value.
Love your video. I can’t afford a lithium van but have a dog and concerned about leaving her in the van if I am in a warm area off the grid. Wondered if one of those portable lithium power packs would be a worthy addition, although it can’t run the A/C.
We have the Coachmen NOVA 20 RB. Rear bath is roomy and the twin beds work out great. Check it out.
Hi guys, have you ever seen a Winnebago Era? Seems like a Travato on a Mercedes chassis. Still giving serious consideration of buying the Travato but have never seen the Era and wonder if it’s worth the extra $$$. Thanks for any thoughts!
This is exactly my wife and I built our own.
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My first RV was a 1989 camper van purchased in 2000. I bought it from an elderly couple. The seller's wife said to "make sure all the stuff you put in the fridge was good and cold before you put it in there." That should have been a warning sign. I found out later that the fridge did zero cooling, it just ran. That was a small 3-way fridge that was going to cost me $1,000 to replace, which was probably a third of what I paid for the vehicle. I put in a cheap dorm fridge since I was only going short local distances to use it. The van had a little less than 120k miles on it. The first time I had it in for maintenance the mechanic said the engine's lower end was knocking, and the motor was worn out and due to fail at any time. Buyer beware.
Hello, hello from Puerto Rico, we are looking for a RV , and looking for all the information , videos and plan to go to the next Tampa RV show in Florida we went in January 2023 just to see what’s happens, now we decided to buy, but the problem is that we have to registered in mainland USA and don’t have address there...let’s see what happens, thanks for your help and information
So you are the expert,,, based on your experience, no different than any other rv person.
Getting ready to buy a class b. Fir hiking, doing our research😅
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Many dealers won't le you test drive without making an offer where I live at least. An experienced RVer will often know what they're looking at, but for a newbie they don't know what they don't know, so it really tough.
Pleasure-way is a better ‘made’ Class B….. JMHO! You forgot…… big differences between gas and diesel are two different vehicles!!!! And know that diesel upkeep is ‘expensive’!!!!
You are right...gas or diesel makes a difference.
Pleasure Way is real nice.
I am my dads care taker and I just don't like living in an apartment. So many rules, and no privacy. Do you find that this is a problem in the RV living?
Not really. But it depends on where you want to stay.
I was just wondering why you’ve never purchase a Ford transit? Is there a reason for that because I sold Fords for 35 years and I believe that the Ford transit is much better product than the Dodge! Just wondering!
Why not buy the empty van and send it to a great builder to get exactly what you wany?
Do you have a list of great builders? Because this is what I would like to do.
the only lesson people need to know- DON'T BUY A THOR!!!!
Unfortunately all manufacturers have issues some more than others, Thor does have issues but they happen to sell the most RV’s - hence more RV’s sold more problems it goes with being #1.
Thank you for this info I already have two divorces and now I look back and I see this investment will be less painful than the price I paid for my freedom via divorces but judge judi she is getting the fridge but I want the straws for those juice voxes
You can do a buildout if you have the time for less than 100,000 dollars. Crazy
I wish I would have saw this video before I bought.
A good idea is not to buy with emotion, and like said in the video, sleep on it and let your unbiased subconscious help make the decision.
Yes! So good 😊
If you custom build out your RV, be warned that your INSURER may require an inspection beware they give you a custom quote, if they will insure it at all! And they will accept the value of installed equipment, but the cost of all the labor you put into it is ZERO in their eyes. They won't pay someone else to repeat your labor. As you said--call your insurance first.
When you got to go, you got to go. It’s all part of RVing life. 👍🏽. Sorry Hillary.
Thanks! True!
RVers are truck and bus drivers. If you can not pay cash you are not entitled to own it because you don't. The bank owns it. All of mine are 20 to 30 years old when I pay cash for them. I can throw away my RV and loose less money that the first year of depreciation of a new unit.
Research,research, indeed. I chose EMBASSY because of my what is has, but, what it doesn’t have. No black tank, no solar (totally ineffective) no propane, no a/c on the roof, no wood (no mold down the road later) the most effective insulation package in the industry, true 4 season capability. Research 🙏🙏
I think is best I buy me a van and have it equipped….
Buy USED!! Let somebody else work the bugs out of it, and you get it for a Hugh discount.
You forgot Tip 11. Don't buy these RV unless you like throwing your money away.