Damn! this very impressive and I hope it starts right up. I swapped a 268ci turbo into my 256 diesel 5000 and till this day I cannot believe how easily it handled a nearly 30hp jump without killing the transmission. But a 6cyl is a different beast cant wait for part 2
Good god fella. Every bit of odd ball knowledge I want to have you’ve got. Just shows with a little bit of determination and out of the box thought anything can happen. I hope this tractor outlives you and I mean that only as a compliment to what you’ve accomplished thus far and what will happen in the future on it. Good work man
Hi Mark, this build is right up my alley and I've got to admit that your research and progress with the build is fantastic. I'm new to the channel but overall I'm well impressed 👌🏻
Love your videos, I can’t wait for part two. I have a 1970 ford 5000 diesel, and watching your videos has helped me out a lot when it came to maintenance and fixing things on it.
Do not forgot the bolts of the bell ausing are all part of frame of the tractor and they see all types of loads, side loads and up and down depending on the implements is using. So get that top bolts atatch and with plenty reinforcement. But over all it is a great swap!! 💪👍
Great video Mark, subscribed!.......Don't feel bad, my 7.8 fell off of the forklift 😳they must be durable, it still ran fine. You have given me the motivation i need!
You WILL have too make a plate for each side of tractor to hold it from breaking in half , no bolts on bottom of oil pan and on cast oil pan to support tractor . Make 8" x 1/2 plate from front bolster to clutch housing , 4 bolts on front 6on clutch housing . They use these plates on loader tractors . There is a longer span now .
This might help simplify the steering a little bit. On my ford 5000 diesel, the power steering was integrated in steering box itself. So under the radiator was just the steering linkages, no hoses or hydraulic cylinder to leak. Also as with many engine swap tractors ive seen they use 1/2" steel plate on the sides to connect the front and transmission together since the "new" engine doesn't have the cast iron oil pan and other features to not only support itself but the rest of the tractor too. Easiest way to do that is to use the already provided holes in the tractor for bolting on a loader attachment. Then it'll give you a place to build a front engine mount. Also on my tractor since its a diesel it use a gravity feed line on the bottom of the tank and the return line was in the fill neck.
You need the oil pan from an 8700 that had the 401 diesel, it will bolt right on to the 7.8 and will have your rear transmission supports and lower front bolster support
Thats the most bad ass clutch assembly i ever seen man great video ill be looking forward to next video... that through out bearing ive heard about a casting issue or sumthin i know ive done 3 clutches in 5000 and every one was broke... yhea its just like me not having a shop ... makes it more fun
Thats the most bad ass clutch assembly i ever seen man great video ill be looking forward to next video... that through out bearing ive heard about a casting issue or sumthin i know ive done 3 clutches in 5000 and every one was broke
It’s great you’re decided to remove the gas motor and change it for a diesel, Cannot understand why anybody would want a gas motor in a Ford 5000 , Stay Lucky 🇬🇧🇮🇪.
They can be handy if you live in very cold climates and unexpectedly need to fire up your tractor to do something with it. It’ll crank quick without the need of ether or being plugged in. Not everyone has electricity run to their old barns or outbuildings.
I hope to see you do more videos, you are a good teacher, I know it’s hard to do videos, but you are quite good at it and getting better. Hope to see you soon with the new video. ✌️
You have definitely made the right option for choosing the custom made flywheel, If that part lets go it could destroy everything you have worked on🇬🇧🇮🇪.
Had a friend who had Ford tractors on the farm. The 5000 had a bad engine. They shopped around and found a 7000 turbo engine for about the price of a rebuild on the 5000 engine. So they swapped this engine into the 5000. Made quite the tractor. Being a smaller tractor it worked well on the silo blower. Easier to get around with unloading wagon. For feild work, not so much the bigger engine was too big for the tractor, not enough weight to hold down the tractor. Spins the tires too easy.
@@WarrenScott-xw3cl no you don't fill tires with water. Water freezes in cold weather. You fill tires with something that doesn't freeze, like calcium chloride. The tractor I was talking about did have filled tires as well as cast iron wheel weights, two on each rear wheel.
The front pin which holds all the pivot for the steering and front axle is connected to the tombstone it’s been called that by Ford industry since the 1940’s.
Your new flywheel/pto adapter doesn't protrude out past the end of the crank. So removing steel out of the crank so your old adapter fits into the crank isn't needed. I might have slid the new flywheel onto the input shafts of the transmission to the depth they will run when engine is installed. Then check for how much the pto shaft protrudes past the new parts. You may find there is no protrusion.
New flywheel does not fit on crank, I tried that before I did any metal removal. New adapter that is made in center of flywheel is same outer dimension as old tractor pto drive, just 1/8" shorter. Still needed to remove material for it to fit into crank. It was a necessary step to make unfortunately. .
Mark, if you want to save work on the front axle, consider getting an axle and bolster off a 4500 or similar. You'd have to figure out mounts for the nose, but it's a heavier axle and only mounts to the bolster. Should be the same steering system and same mounting pattern which would make it a reasonably simple swap. Also, I'm only a little ways in the video, but definitely get a bigger radiator. I've heard these stock radiators can't tolerate the heat of a turbo, heard a few stories of guys killing the diesels on their 5000s with aftermarket turbos. Depending on how good your old wiring harness is, I might just be interested in it. :) I wonder if maybe welding some brackets on the top of the tractor bellhousing to fit the engine would be stronger- you can modify that plate a lot easier than the engine.
I was born on the farms 1958 and would drive all those tractors as a daily the 4000, 5000, DB 1200 , International 474, Ferguson 35, 135 etc etc etc. Learned how to plow on my own at 9 years old on a ferggie 35. Nightshift on the Combine at 12. At 12 I could weld and by 14 I could strip an engine out a bulldozer and repair it. 17.5 joined the Royal Navy.
Why don’t you extend the sheet steel exactly the same as the original so the two main stud locations will fit exactly and use the same size studs that were fitted from Ford.🇬🇧🇮🇪.
Good and interesting video but I guess I'm missing the point. The stock engine is plenty powerful enough for a little brush hog. Do you have other activities planned for the tractor?
I am (someday) getting a big batwing bush hog mower (17') for this, and I needed a bigger tractor...but those are expensive and heavy. So, I decided to build one.... plus, I may take this to the tractor pulls at some point.
watched this this morning, never would have though the truck engine would be so similar but out of curiosity had you considered sourcing a 6cyl from a county or a higher series tractor or are they just too hard to find?
In my area, those are next to impossible to get. The truck engine has a better fuel injection pump than the tractor, better oil system and bigger turbo. The truck engine is rated at 210 hp. (Not sure what it will be at the PTO. Parts for the truck engine are very easy to find as well. It was a match made in heaven.
It's because the truck engine is a derivative of the tractor engine. Ford designed the family of 3, 4 and 6 cylinder tractor engines in the 60s and used them in many tractors and other machines. In the 80s they designed a 7.8 liter truck version of the engine. In the 90s Ford tractor business became New Holland and they built the 7.8 for Ford for some time. The engines from the same family were also used on New Holland tractors and other machines until 2007. There is some incorrect info going around the internet saying that the engine was originally designed by New Holland in the 60s but that's wrong. It was originally the engine for the new range of Ford tractors launched in 1965.
In Thiland and their videos they have all models of Ford . From 3000 to 8630 automatic. Even they have 8340 Ac cabin. 7810, 6610 with column shifer gear levers. They have 7630 which are not available in usa england etc. I wonder they are very poor country but have new like 6610 4wd etc and you people made that tractors but you are still working on cheap models. They get old tractors as scrap but in india shity govt won't let bring scrap tractors.
I'm not sure, I believe it has to do with the six cylinder being an "industrial" application and size of flywheel. The New Holland Genesis engines have 2 sets of upper bellhousing bolt holes in the block. One big "industrial" set and a smaller set that would have bolted up to this tractor. Kind of cool, but I could not find one of those engines anywhere. Truck engines are much easier to find in my area.
I like building things that can't be bought. Finding parts that fit together, that were never designed to work together, is a great feeling...also, those big tractors are expensive and hard to find in this area...
I didn't feel that was the right thing to do in this case. If the washer moves, it may hit, or if you ever remove and reinstall the psi plate again, you would have to grind the washers again (the nut rotating to tighten would turn the washer).
@marktolman6037 Wow super small world. I used to watch him on TV lol. It's a pleasure seeing you on TH-cam. I can already tell you make some great content. Keep up the good work.
Thats the most bad ass clutch assembly i ever seen man great video ill be looking forward to next video... that through out bearing ive heard about a casting issue or sumthin i know ive done 3 clutches in 5000 and every one was broke... yhea its just like me not having a shop ... makes it more fun
Great project looking forward to the rest of the project. Well done
Thanks!
Make sure the oil pickup pipe will take up the oil because of the new angle, loving this man.
Thanks will do
Damn! this very impressive and I hope it starts right up. I swapped a 268ci turbo into my 256 diesel 5000 and till this day I cannot believe how easily it handled a nearly 30hp jump without killing the transmission. But a 6cyl is a different beast cant wait for part 2
Thanks! I'm hoping it handles the weight and hp
My 5000 has a peace of rail road track 3ft wide as as a bumper
The Forrester’s out in Pennsylvania will put a 1000hp through that rear end. We run a heavily tuned 256 turbo. No problems.
That's good to hear. The rear ends must be well built.
What is 268ci mean for?
Good god fella. Every bit of odd ball knowledge I want to have you’ve got. Just shows with a little bit of determination and out of the box thought anything can happen. I hope this tractor outlives you and I mean that only as a compliment to what you’ve accomplished thus far and what will happen in the future on it. Good work man
Thanks!
Hi Mark, this build is right up my alley and I've got to admit that your research and progress with the build is fantastic.
I'm new to the channel but overall I'm well impressed 👌🏻
Thank you. Much appreciated.
Love your videos, I can’t wait for part two. I have a 1970 ford 5000 diesel, and watching your videos has helped me out a lot when it came to maintenance and fixing things on it.
Thanks, I'm glad you got some use from the videos
I wish I would've found your channel sooner. Guess I gotta stay up late and go back through your old videos. This is epic!
Thanks!
Do not forgot the bolts of the bell ausing are all part of frame of the tractor and they see all types of loads, side loads and up and down depending on the implements is using. So get that top bolts atatch and with plenty reinforcement.
But over all it is a great swap!! 💪👍
Thanks!
Cool project. Waiting to see more out of this one.
Thanks
Im glad this was in my feed. Cant wait to see this thing snatching big tree stumps out of the ground.
TORAH lets see how the transmission and rear end hold up to the extra power !!!!!
Great video Mark, subscribed!.......Don't feel bad, my 7.8 fell off of the forklift 😳they must be durable, it still ran fine. You have given me the motivation i need!
The gravatational pull on the 7.8 engine is much stronger than others, I swear!
Thanks, happy wrenching.
Really liked your measurements and going through the two clutch on both engines brilliant
Thank you
Subbed ,now waiting anxiously on part 2😂
Thanks
That big 6 diesel is going to sound great in that tractor. I an anxious to hear it pulling under a load.
Definitely!
You WILL have too make a plate for each side of tractor to hold it from breaking in half , no bolts on bottom of oil pan and on cast oil pan to support tractor . Make 8" x 1/2 plate from front bolster to clutch housing , 4 bolts on front 6on clutch housing . They use these plates on loader tractors . There is a longer span now .
Very true! I'm in the process of fabricating those now, hope to be done, and have wheels on the ground before winter starts.
This might help simplify the steering a little bit. On my ford 5000 diesel, the power steering was integrated in steering box itself. So under the radiator was just the steering linkages, no hoses or hydraulic cylinder to leak. Also as with many engine swap tractors ive seen they use 1/2" steel plate on the sides to connect the front and transmission together since the "new" engine doesn't have the cast iron oil pan and other features to not only support itself but the rest of the tractor too. Easiest way to do that is to use the already provided holes in the tractor for bolting on a loader attachment. Then it'll give you a place to build a front engine mount. Also on my tractor since its a diesel it use a gravity feed line on the bottom of the tank and the return line was in the fill neck.
Congrats Mark!! that was an insane video im very anxious to see part two!!
You need the oil pan from an 8700 that had the 401 diesel, it will bolt right on to the 7.8 and will have your rear transmission supports and lower front bolster support
Thats the most bad ass clutch assembly i ever seen man great video ill be looking forward to next video... that through out bearing ive heard about a casting issue or sumthin i know ive done 3 clutches in 5000 and every one was broke... yhea its just like me not having a shop ... makes it more fun
Thats the most bad ass clutch assembly i ever seen man great video ill be looking forward to next video... that through out bearing ive heard about a casting issue or sumthin i know ive done 3 clutches in 5000 and every one was broke
Your allright .. you seem like a straight forward guy
It’s great you’re decided to remove the gas motor and change it for a diesel, Cannot understand why anybody would want a gas motor in a Ford 5000 , Stay Lucky 🇬🇧🇮🇪.
They can be handy if you live in very cold climates and unexpectedly need to fire up your tractor to do something with it. It’ll crank quick without the need of ether or being plugged in. Not everyone has electricity run to their old barns or outbuildings.
Bad ass video bro those ford 5000s are awesome
Thanks
Best u tube video iv ever seen
Thanks
lot of work ! EVA the Ford tractor in Belgium made these 6 cylinder diesel tractors in 1966/1975 the ford 5095 the ford 7400
Good info to know, thanks.
Awesome I just came across your channel I like a long episode & this 1 looks like it's going to be great I'm hooked already 💯👍🏻
Thanks
A clutch line up tool can be a broom handle or a piece of pipe .It does not need splines .Some are plastic pipe .
Great job Mark, thankyou for your time
Thanks
That clutch is huge 😮😮😮
I hope to see you do more videos, you are a good teacher,
I know it’s hard to do videos, but you are quite good at it and getting better.
Hope to see you soon with the new video.
✌️
Many thanks
Awesome project can't wait for the next instalment.
Thanks
Super cool project. Keep after it man!
Thanks
You have definitely made the right option for choosing the custom made flywheel, If that part lets go it could destroy everything you have worked on🇬🇧🇮🇪.
Interesting swap, lookin forward to the next video
Thanks. Seemed to go well so far
Had a friend who had Ford tractors on the farm. The 5000 had a bad engine. They shopped around and found a 7000 turbo engine for about the price of a rebuild on the 5000 engine. So they swapped this engine into the 5000. Made quite the tractor. Being a smaller tractor it worked well on the silo blower. Easier to get around with unloading wagon.
For feild work, not so much the bigger engine was too big for the tractor, not enough weight to hold down the tractor. Spins the tires too easy.
I was looking for a 256 or a 268 turbo, none were available in my area....cool swap though.
You. Fill. The tyres. With. Water. For. Added. Weight
@@WarrenScott-xw3cl no you don't fill tires with water. Water freezes in cold weather. You fill tires with something that doesn't freeze, like calcium chloride. The tractor I was talking about did have filled tires as well as cast iron wheel weights, two on each rear wheel.
@leonhart2452 I
Live. In. Queensland. We. Dont. Have. That. Trouble. With. Freezing. Here. Lol
I must say this is an interesting swap you got my attention and my subscription 👌
Thanks
The front pin which holds all the pivot for the steering and front axle is connected to the tombstone it’s been called that by Ford industry since the 1940’s.
Thanks
Fill the hole on the backing plate with welding on then made some new hole to fit
Equidistant- thats the word you were looking for...😊
Your new flywheel/pto adapter doesn't protrude out past the end of the crank. So removing steel out of the crank so your old adapter fits into the crank isn't needed.
I might have slid the new flywheel onto the input shafts of the transmission to the depth they will run when engine is installed. Then check for how much the pto shaft protrudes past the new parts. You may find there is no protrusion.
New flywheel does not fit on crank, I tried that before I did any metal removal. New adapter that is made in center of flywheel is same outer dimension as old tractor pto drive, just 1/8" shorter. Still needed to remove material for it to fit into crank. It was a necessary step to make unfortunately. .
Very nice job, I just hope that's not too much engine for that bull gear.
If it is we will upgrade and fix better
Mark, if you want to save work on the front axle, consider getting an axle and bolster off a 4500 or similar. You'd have to figure out mounts for the nose, but it's a heavier axle and only mounts to the bolster. Should be the same steering system and same mounting pattern which would make it a reasonably simple swap.
Also, I'm only a little ways in the video, but definitely get a bigger radiator. I've heard these stock radiators can't tolerate the heat of a turbo, heard a few stories of guys killing the diesels on their 5000s with aftermarket turbos.
Depending on how good your old wiring harness is, I might just be interested in it. :)
I wonder if maybe welding some brackets on the top of the tractor bellhousing to fit the engine would be stronger- you can modify that plate a lot easier than the engine.
Good points, definitely going to need help keeping this big diesel cool...
I like that Delco starter on a Ford engine hahahahahaha
Come look at Malaysia , there lot do like this
@@HanUtara any pictures of one with a 7.8?
awesome work
Thanks
Why not weld on a extention to the top of the plate and shape to fit the top two bolt holes ??
I was born on the farms 1958 and would drive all those tractors as a daily the 4000, 5000, DB 1200 , International 474, Ferguson 35, 135 etc etc etc. Learned how to plow on my own at 9 years old on a ferggie 35. Nightshift on the Combine at 12. At 12 I could weld and by 14 I could strip an engine out a bulldozer and repair it. 17.5 joined the Royal Navy.
Great video thanks and subscribed
Thanks
Why don’t you extend the sheet steel exactly the same as the original so the two main stud locations will fit exactly and use the same size studs that were fitted from Ford.🇬🇧🇮🇪.
I'm on the search for a hood panel to do just that
Although once you took the adapter off, it looks the same bolt pattern as the Ford
Американским трактористам❗физкульт привет👋👍🔊🌐🗽🇺🇸
If you use parts from the front of a rowcrop 5000-7000 you will have more room and take care of the front axle issues
I'll look to see if I can get parts, thanks
Guess u just got another sub
Thanks
also, instead of turning that front axle around why not use radius arms like the Massey's had
Extend the fly wheel shield where the 2 bolts go.
Good and interesting video but I guess I'm missing the point. The stock engine is plenty powerful enough for a little brush hog. Do you have other activities planned for the tractor?
I am (someday) getting a big batwing bush hog mower (17') for this, and I needed a bigger tractor...but those are expensive and heavy. So, I decided to build one.... plus, I may take this to the tractor pulls at some point.
watched this this morning, never would have though the truck engine would be so similar but out of curiosity had you considered sourcing a 6cyl from a county or a higher series tractor or are they just too hard to find?
In my area, those are next to impossible to get. The truck engine has a better fuel injection pump than the tractor, better oil system and bigger turbo. The truck engine is rated at 210 hp. (Not sure what it will be at the PTO.
Parts for the truck engine are very easy to find as well. It was a match made in heaven.
@@marktolman6037 google says university of Nebraska tested tractors over last 60 years and they average 85% of engine hp.
It's because the truck engine is a derivative of the tractor engine. Ford designed the family of 3, 4 and 6 cylinder tractor engines in the 60s and used them in many tractors and other machines. In the 80s they designed a 7.8 liter truck version of the engine. In the 90s Ford tractor business became New Holland and they built the 7.8 for Ford for some time. The engines from the same family were also used on New Holland tractors and other machines until 2007.
There is some incorrect info going around the internet saying that the engine was originally designed by New Holland in the 60s but that's wrong. It was originally the engine for the new range of Ford tractors launched in 1965.
Well done. Ford's,,,,,,, , people bin modifying those tractors since the year dot. They all seem to work out in the end.
Parts interchange from many years, models and setups....pretty cool that Ford did that.
Brilliant work but fail to understand how so much over kill on the pointless parts and miss a rotten hose crazy stuff
Are you going to have to beefup the front end to support the heavy engine?
Yes, I've got it in the works now....still in design and sourcing parts
In Thiland and their videos they have all models of Ford . From 3000 to 8630 automatic. Even they have 8340 Ac cabin. 7810, 6610 with column shifer gear levers. They have 7630 which are not available in usa england etc. I wonder they are very poor country but have new like 6610 4wd etc and you people made that tractors but you are still working on cheap models. They get old tractors as scrap but in india shity govt won't let bring scrap tractors.
new sub in nh
Thanks
Fixing to strip the guts out the rear end of that little tractor
@peanutsmith1462 If so I'll build it better so it won't break
Just weld 2 lugs on
You could put weld in thar hole
I wonder why they changed the bolt pattern, from 4 cylinder to 6 cylinder.........
I'm not sure, I believe it has to do with the six cylinder being an "industrial" application and size of flywheel. The New Holland Genesis engines have 2 sets of upper bellhousing bolt holes in the block. One big "industrial" set and a smaller set that would have bolted up to this tractor. Kind of cool, but I could not find one of those engines anywhere. Truck engines are much easier to find in my area.
@@marktolman6037 Thank you for the quick reply!
You know wat year the 5000 is I got 1 I need a hydro pump
Grabber blue
Je motorplaat met meten?
Would that not have been able to work the original fly wheel
No, original flywheel had 6 bolts, 7.8 had 8 bolts
I suppose it's a silly question, but why didn't you buy a Ford 8000, or 8600 or whatever? Just asking.
I like building things that can't be bought. Finding parts that fit together, that were never designed to work together, is a great feeling...also, those big tractors are expensive and hard to find in this area...
It would be easy if you took an engine out of a 8000/9000 Ford tractor.
I agree....but those are pricey and hard to come by in my area....
Why not grind the washers
I didn't feel that was the right thing to do in this case. If the washer moves, it may hit, or if you ever remove and reinstall the psi plate again, you would have to grind the washers again (the nut rotating to tighten would turn the washer).
get a new plate lazer cut and miss all these problems easy no drilling .
Geezus! What a monster!
Yours a gas?
Hey fellow Mainer! You wouldn't be related to Lawrence Tolman would you? I know hes from Maine as well and you both look a lot alike.
He's my brother
@marktolman6037 Wow super small world. I used to watch him on TV lol. It's a pleasure seeing you on TH-cam. I can already tell you make some great content. Keep up the good work.
Very small world. Thank you.
Any update ?
Hopefully another video soon
I have a Ford 3000 tractor
I think myne is around 1961 desile
What you call a cradle is cribbing
Your original videos you never used time lapse, The engine conversion on the 5000 to much time lapse it’s spoiling the program in my opinion 🇬🇧🇮🇪.
Duly noted
Thats the most bad ass clutch assembly i ever seen man great video ill be looking forward to next video... that through out bearing ive heard about a casting issue or sumthin i know ive done 3 clutches in 5000 and every one was broke... yhea its just like me not having a shop ... makes it more fun
Thanks. The Clutch and flywheel is good for over 1000 hp and a boatload of torque. The throwout casting being broken surprised me...