ไม่สามารถเล่นวิดีโอนี้
ขออภัยในความไม่สะดวก
Plants vs. Zombies 3 is HORRIBLE
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- Plants vs zombies 3 is HORRIBLE
On a warm summer day, in July 2019, EA announced Plants vs. Zombies 3, another free-to-play mobile title in the series. The game soft-launched in February 2020 in the Philippines, Romania, and Ireland. It was then made unavailable in October 2020, becoming unplayable in November 2020 due to changes in development.
The game was soft-launched again on Jan 17, 2024, months ahead of its original worldwide release schedule.
As you can probably tell by the title of the video, this game is absolutely awful. Not only is it a downgrade to PVZ2, but a total disappointment
and lackluster attempt by Popcap and EA to strech out boring mediocre gameplay through in game grinds that not only are completely intangible and
unmotivated but also seemingly endless as the progression in the story is utterly miniscule.
Second channel for playthroughs, BTS, etc: youtube.com/@w...
0:00 Intro
0:40 PvZ History 2009-2013
1:31 PvZ History 2013-2020
1:45 PvZ 2 Info
3:05 Introducing PvZ 3
5:21 What Went Wrong?
5:57 Part 1: Game Development
8:06 Part 2: Gameplay
11:17 Part 3: Storyline
13:30 Final Thoughts
![[TH]FFWS SEA 2024 Fall - Knockout Stage Day 1](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nsDmUQdWVtg/mqdefault.jpg)
seen a lot of comments asking
0:00 Overwatch 2
0:10 Destiny 2
0:18 Risk of Rain 2
0:32 Dead by Daylight
👍
❤👍🏼
It is sad to see a game that used to be one of the best games with unique mechanics and gameplay , is trying to copy paste other popular games , feels like the game just lost its identity😢
but hey, it makes money
that's all that matters, right? /s
Entirely EA’s falt
@@user-uh4jr4eo5n no: both EA and PopCap are to blame
And best post credits somg
@@ShinyTillDawn wdym popcap?
Crazy Dave is not the protagonist, the player is. All of PvZ1 doesn't take place on his backyard but yours. Crazy Dave is your neighbor.
Lol I didn't know
Yeah, crazy Dave is the one who sells you stuff and new plants
Yeah lmao
🤓
true cuz when you die, its states "the zombie at your brain".
The lore is literally:
Dave's mower turns purple and kills all the children
hor hor hor hor hor
This turned real dark real quick, but i dont care about lore.
Just like fnaf?
the mower behind the slaughter
ss
Pay to win, looks like Gardenscapes. Normal levels are very very difficult, hard levels are insanely hard. You can’t replay previous levels to farm coins to buy power ups, so if you’re stuck in a level you need to get the wallet out. Only one lawn mower per level, does not let you choose the plants you want to use in that level, repetitive, too many bucket heads in the same lane. Some levels as soon as you have 3 sunflowers down you have 2/3 zombies in different lanes. You must have a connection to play the game.
Bruh exactly because you also get imps coming in already and they are faster than the ones from the previous games and they eat the plants too quickly but especially the Peashooters are weaker on this game and there’s no plant food or leveling system for the plants which makes everything too frustrating and impossible to enjoy, how can we have fun with this crap if it’s so unbalanced and a huge mess?
I'm already stuck at level 85 its impossible to play this for free...
The game also has dynamic difficulty, so the best strategy is literally to just lose until the zombies leave you alone out of pity.
Yep you right that game trash and boring too dude
@scotterboi9 PVZ3: The sad ending
I love how popcap hate there community so much to the point where they make a pvz garden scape game
You mean ea
@@crowsnest1510 No, Popcap. They're the devs, EA is the puplisher.
Fix your English it's poopcrap
@@bf3isbestbf359 yeah but EA has control over what they are allowed to do and is very limiting
@@carlosmorenoseguel7726 true
"dam this video really negitive wtf,, the game cant be that bad...."...was my original reaction to seeing this video, since then i have grown the hate this game with every fiber of my being
First one, nice.
Second one, interesting.
Third one, theyre not even trying.
third one is G̶͎͎͈̫̳̮͇͙͓̤͚̹̩̙͙̤̥͓̗̀̍͛̈́͛͐̿̇͆̈́͌̏̓̈̈́̊̎̊̄̋͗̃̈́͊̈́̽̆͜͜͝͠͝͝ͅĄ̵̢̨͖̣̠̩̪̥̥͖͔̘̗̱̜̟͉͚̗͍̭̥̹̳̺̫̱͙̞̹̺̰̘͓̜͈̊͌͌̊̄̏̑̚̚͠͝ͅR̶̡̛͍̯̩̠͚̠̘̲̩͕̟̀̀̾̈́ͅB̵̨̧̨̢̧̧̭̭̱͔͎̲͍̲̼͙̠̫̮̙͇̳͇̝̫̰͉͙̯̳̘̗͔͍̟̣̱͉͇͒̾̎̽͜͜ͅͅĄ̸̨̘̝̩̲̯̞̮͙̭̣̹͚͕̺̹̥̩̬͈͎̰̻̖͎͖̫̤̭̀͊̉͆̇͗̃̈́̍̂̉͗̾͒͛͑͗̑̀̿̂̋̑̉̂͊̔̆̑̿͆̀̎̇̈̕̚͘͠ͅG̷̛̛͓̙̠̻̑̑̀̓̓̓̀̏́̈̍̿̾͆͐͝E̸̙̳̊̀͗͊̊͐͐̽̎̉͌̉͗̓̃̅̽̀̏̓̉̃̔͐͋̂̚͘!̸̡̨̡̘̠͖̗̞̜̹̘͔͚̺̳̠̺̮͕͓̾̂̓̓̓͂̉̃̈́͊̂̅͂̉͂͋̈́̌̅̈́̈̈̍͘̚͜͝͝
I remember when the second one came out… there being like 4 worlds .. such good memories ❤️🩹
They’re trying to get even more money. The 2nd one still feels like a proper game, this is a Facebook app.
There was a 3?
Yes
It's on play store
No this game doesn't exist
We do not talk about the 3
It’s like the atla movie
5:58
"Let's get to the kills"
haha finally someone noticed lol
deadmeat reference?
I was wondering why it sounded so familiar
The movie begins with a kill
“My name is James A Janise”
Crazy dave is not the main character, he is helping you who is with plants and what not.
True from what i can remember he is player’s neighbor
What is the point of a third entry in the series when it doesn't improve anything their predecessors have.
This game is disappointing specially because it could be the last one. They could just get rid of the 3 and market it as a spin off. I don't think that is going to happen tough.
Patrice’s face in thumbnail sums up how I feel about this game well
Problems of the game is that sun flower gives 1 sun every time instead of 50 and sun shroom is coming soon in the next update and the bad level design plant food needs a comeback because the gamr just immediately pulled out tds lunar overture enemy spam on us
The story setup is just a ripoff of those other puzzle story games like royal match and gardenscapes. Where you play like 15 levels and then get to decorate some part of your house.
The only addition I liked was Dave’s Niece Patrice, she’s cool and it’s nice to see another human in a PVZ game.
The story starts good with Patrice looking for her uncle, finding a robot lawnmower, repelling an infectious zombie fog, but then it’s just pointless decorating.
she was first introduced in the comics irc.
@@thewitchidolsachika6682 comics were fire when I was little lol
I was actually just playing this game just recently and I made it past the first 10-13 levels wondering when I would get past the tutorial parts and get to select my own plants. After watching this video, I guess I never will.
I have literally one good thing to say about this game and that is that the artstyle of the sprites and plants is pretty nice. My man Dave’s lookin’ handsome
Yeah it's really cool
this has worse graphics than pvz 2
you are godamn right.
i love this artstyle wdym
@@ba6tatz it looks awful, like a low effort version of the second game
@@hmmm2872 i can actually see why you hate it: the animations are not that good(not pvz 2 post blockoli seedium plants bad but still kinda ass)
@hmmm2872 Well it is indeed a low-effort version anyway.
I fully agree with you this game seriously sucks and it’s not fun at all, it lacks of several elements from the previous games and it's too frustrating to play with such unbalanced levels with too many zombies even at the beginning and no freedom of choosing your own plants but especially Cherry Bomb, Jalapeño and Chilly Pepper have been turned into expensive powerups which is such a big L from PopCap and EA, George Fan would have done a much better job with this game if he wasn’t fired. So yeah this PVZ Sequel is very awful and honestly i also hate the Sun system because it’s just exactly like Clash Royale with the numbers and plants are even nerfed because Snow Pea takes much more hits to kill a zombie, especially an imp and the Squash no longer kills a Gargantuar in two hits.
The way the game is set up as well I’m not sure how they will add any other modes like last stand or endless or even new plants to play with, at this point the 2020 version looked better then the one we have now, more new plants and zombies and fun gimmicks like extra attack speed if you have symmetry in a lane, gone are the days of hearing that nostalgic level end music while you wonder which new plant you will unlock and play with, it’s literally the same as what they did with the variants in BFN idk how they didn’t learn their lesson, and the lack of animations for cherry bomb and jalapeño just makes the game feel so so unfinished and not up to standard, even something as simple as having the ability to unlock other version of defence plants to replace grapes of wrath that charge up over time would be awesome.
Plants vs zombies 2 was a master piece
Plants vs zombies 3 is a Homescape type game
The ticket mechanic makes me die
when he said “thanks for the help with that bing ai” that shit was so real
A good trilogy would be to keep originality while adding new creative aspects. Like adding a plant champion that u can keep and level up through levels, or different level designs such as different zombie paths, or even defending two lawns at once. A cooler story like Dave’s brother or something
The worst thing is in Pvz3 we can't choose the plants 😑😑😑
facts
cuz if we can choose the plants,we’re gonna choose broken plants and make the game easier
@@boldkiwealcome to strategy games
Well now they're adding it
@@gameonburn5102 but there is none to choose from
This was the first PVZ game I played; and if I didn't know how the other games played, I would've given up on the franchise forever.
fun fact Patrice was in the og comics along with a boy named nate (not related to dave)
4:58 isn’t bombshell a positive descriptor?
neither positive nor negative. its rather a surprise, and it can be applied to positive or negative things. i inferred everyone would assume it was negative as thats the entire theme of the video
i just had a chat with a friend and he said he would play the next garden warfare if its as good or better then gw2
i think he knows that ea controls pvz and tried to give me false hope or he's clueless and actually thinks another garden warfare is being made
this game shows they dont care
im annoyed that pvz 2 is mobile only and now that i know pvz 3 exist and is only for mobile again makes me angry
i love pvz its my childhood game since i was 8? 9? i dont remember my uncle showed me the demo for pvz 1 and i fell in love with it
but i have zero hope, no faith for any sort of revival for pvz
i'll stick to pvz1 and 2 and garden warfare 2
I don't why they didn't just make the story about saving people or help people defend against zomboss army. Heck they could make it where if you save certain gardeners they unlock new plants to earn in a improved gacha system (aka it being more f2p friendly). Heck the gardenscape aspect could have been cool you could have been able to build your own base/garden. There is so many things popcap could have done but they chose the facebook route of mobile game development.
12:42 They really grabbed the Zen Garden concept and made it 50% of the game....
I didn’t even know this game was out till recently, when I found out I was excited. Turned out to be a bit shit. I got up to level 150 so far. It starts out super easy. Then when you get to level 130 upwards some levels are just like brokenly difficult. The night levels are just fcked you have minimum sunlight and they just through max waves at you. It feels like the end levels you need power ups to pass. Although I did eventually pass without power ups. After 15 attempts.
I think in some ways I like the simplicity but I think after 11 years they should have been making something more developed. Than this, it’s a bit of a joke on the company for them tbh.
I respect you for making it that far, I made it to 95 for the video but everything after like 30 was boring 😭
Just wanted to add for some reason I’ve decided to keep on playing. I’m on level 175. They’ve started to copy and paste the same bloody levels just flipped. That’s how lazy they’ve gotten. Two levels so far in the new batch have obviously repeated levels 🥲
EA heard "third times the charm" and decided to make it false.
I would love a new mechanic in the 3rd game like mutations where you gain and lose stats or a whole new refunction of the plant
that actually isn't a bad idea
You can't even choose your own plants, this ruined the game for me. you should also try the chinese version of PVZ1 all plants and the zombies ar cracked on steroids, imagine a gargantuar version of a football zombie, that's the stuff you deal with like bruh.
@@emca1597 how do you find it
@@ikilledspeed1996 I'm no longer sure, some old links I know no longer work, plus there's also the language barrier since it's all in Chinese.
There's barely enough content to make a video on
I'd love an update that could really help the game where they just shut off the servers and delete it
What a shame. The first couple, along with angry birds, mightve been the peak of mobile gaming lol
Y’all remember when Patrice was cool? In the early comics? Look at what they’ve done to her
11:37 “play with crazy dave’s niece patrice” 💀 💀 💀
To be honest I love the art style for pvz3 but the stuff they added/changed from the other two games made it hard to enjoy
I'm still playing pvz 3 and one thing I don't like about this game is I don't get to choose my own plants a I always like the lighting plant
You mean lightning reed
Crazy Dave is Crazy Dave, We're the Protagonist, he's our Neighbor.
Thanks mate for reminding all of that again, we're literally the same age bro i was 7 years old when Plants vs zombie 2 came out but i was introduced the pvz 1 on that year playing it with my cousin, i was scared to play that game for some reasons maybe the zombies and the soundtracks? lol. but tbh i had a good childhood playing those games, after that i played Pvz 2 on my brother's Ipad on 2015. it was a great memory
Here's also a piece of my mind regarding the game:
I absolutely hate that there's no instantaneous plants just for free use.
Why tf is the cherry bomb and jalapeno on the right side as a power-up? They could've just done 150 and 125 respectively.
Don't even get me started on the removal of 25 sun and the 25 multipliers and that's what kept it engaging especially with strategy games. Who tf will be interested if your main source of income is like a stingy, run off the mill gacha roll? Yeah like i got 2 sun it's like you got 2 dollars in a fucking war game, who buys a tank for 2 dollars?
Oh and the story. Yeah, it's fine Dave, you're the savior of this town by artificially made zombies that can lobotomize your species real quick for their sustenance led by an evil genius but my god, the city is at stake, and there's no blood everywhere, you would think that they finally got mad and started eating the townspeople's brains but I've seen enough zombie movies to say that there should be brainless humans lying around because hurr durr zombies attacking lets go
Tl;dr pay to win util, uninteresting number system, and no sense of urgency
And not to mention some level are titled "Very Hard" which is true and it's rng based if you want to play it without the power ups
9:57 the bamboo plant im pretty sure was on the Japanese version of PvZ 2 if I’m not mistaken
*looks at subscriber count*
*looks at total views*
Ah, and the algorithm blesses another...
im scared to make a new video bro 💀
Mobile Games are such a trash nowadays. Already looking at the main menu screen of PvZ3 you see all kinds of modern mobile game trash like ingame stores, currencies, coupons, gems, timers...
I am actually more sorry for the developers who genuinely seem to want a nice game but have to follow EA guidelines to maximize profit.
Personally I also wish these games would be available on PC without all this mobile garbage. Just a simple buy and no microtransactions title...
Luckily I live in Hong Kong and Hong Kong don’t have pvz3
Oh jeez, is that patrice on the thumbnail? What the hell did they do to her!?
I noticed a pattern that games from the 2015 period are still being updated while recent ones are completely dead. Nobody knows how to develop games anymore it seems.
I'm not a PvZ fan like you guys, but that doesn't mean I don't see the disappointment in your hearts, I do.
I'm a big fan of other zombie game called Earn To Die. The publisher (Not Doppler) launched ETD3 in limited testing back in 2018, then removed it a couple weeks later with no word. Unless you were a hardcore fan, you'd never know it even existed...
Since a couple months ago, they've been limited testing an early access game that is a spin-off to the franchise. Still, during this period, NO word has been spread on their socials except job applications on their website to alert fans. Talk about great communication between fans lmfao!
Thing that make me quit from PvZ 3 is that one level with checkered water and ground level. Was soooo damn annoying!
Plants vs Zombies was the beginning and center of the whole franchise. But they sh#t on the sequels.
Most of the levels feel like a reptation, and some of the levels are SOO difficult it is impossible to complete without boosts. (I'm stuck in a ridiculously hard level right now [97 something]) Also insta kill plants being treated as power ups is just stupid. Lets just hope it would be better before it's final release.
They aren’t making a PVZ game, they’re making a mobile game. They don’t respect the tower defense classic that launched Popcap to success, they respect the amount of money it makes. They’re trying to be something they just aren’t, and it sucks, they completely lost their identity.
Danerade said it best in his almost 3 hour long video about how shit this franchise has become, and most importantly, why.
This is literally trash!
The hidden racism towards everything, thats its no on android, the terrible graphic, its all just bad! I wish Popcap would shut down forever
Hidden racism..? What💀💀
They are killing our childhood Megamind, then plants vs zombies. what will they take next?
Kung Fu panda
EA cannot pacify their urge to put 5 unvigintillion microtransactions in their game no matter what because the allmighty dollar is so much more valuable than player experience which, in the long run, probably would make them more money. i don't even know what popcap is doing, either.
I personally liked the concept of being able to use special plants without having to pay for it, some plants pretty expensive.
I did end up playing the game, I liked the graphics, the concept of there actually being a story and lastly, actually being able to use plants without paying.
However it got boring fast, I pretty much quit after level 34, I do think it has potential but it’s clearly not living up to it
Bruh, I didn't know about it's existence untill I found that video today, also I can't download it since "it's unavalible in my country" or something
I can't even really appreciate 2. Never owned a smartphone, never had a computer that can do Android emulation well enough that I don't feel I'm paying money to play the game in the form of diminished system lifespan, and the times I'm most likely to want to play a game like this are times I don't have access to the Internet. They've had ten years to repackage and sell it as an offline PC game: I'm not going to argue anything requires them to, but I'm also not going to give them my money if they insist on selling it in a way making it this inconvenient for me to buy and play it.
That said, I have managed to play 2 for a few hours off and on over the past decade. It doesn't have enough variety and little idiosyncratic weird things to really compete with 1, but it does have a lot of vaguely balanced stuff in it, and that means you can probably find a few "intended" ways to play you enjoy as well as a few less fair ways you find fun to get through the stuff you're supposed to be spending money to pass. ...3 doesn't sound like there'd be any fun in it at all.
I had not realized PVZ had a 2 or a 3. Just the Shooter.
I used to think Plants vs. Zombies 2 was an awful game. Microtransactions everywhere, the music felt incredibly generic, wasn't a big fan of the artstyle... but now, as I've come to understand game development, art, and music, the game is actually really good. And even when I went back to it with the mindset of "This is a bad game", I still knew that it could be a LOT worse... and it did. Plants vs. Zombies 3 exists now. And my God, they just want to copy other popular games.
The whole idea of PopCap was that they made a lot of unique games. Zuma, Peggle, Bejeweled, and of course, Plants vs. Zombies. These games managed to take the puzzle aspect and turn them into fun experiences. Peggle is beloved by thousands for it's incredibly calm yet satisfying gameplay, using the whole pinball machine concept and pushing it with it's fun yet simple gameplay. Bejeweled was one of the very first... how do you say it? Bubble-popping colored puzzle games? The ones everyone copies now? Regardless, it was one of the first alongside Candy Crush and it definitely succeeded in everything it did. Zuma, I genuinely never played it lmao. From what I can see, it's a mixture of Peggle and Bejeweled, throwing colored balls to match the other colored pegs. Another one of those games that jumpstarted that specific genre. And Plants vs. Zombies, by taking the Tower Defense genre and making it more focused on utilizing different plants and strategizing what goes where since a plant WILL go away.
It's sad to see PopCap in the state they are in now. They've had one of the biggest win streaks in games. Every PvZ title, except for BFN during it's launch, was VERY good. PvZ2 is still played by thousands to this day, GW1 and 2 somehow still have large servers, and Heroes was given really good reception. And all of a sudden, with PvZ3, they just... lost all their good developer skills?
heres why its heroes the game wasn't doing very well which caused them a massive lay offs a lot of directors, senior artist and animators are gone
@@hadijahali-abutazil8487 Ahh. I guess that is true. Which sucks, Heroes was surprisingly good.
@@lunastifaliamusic it got revived by a youtuber if they didn't abandoned it they probably would've lived longer and also they lost a lot more devs who were working on a big project just to get cancelled by a star wars game but it's also cancelled as well which caused them to lose a lot of good devs and lastly BFN devs moved onto battle field and lastly pre alpha pvz3 there's still some effort put into it but when it failed they fired the wrong ones and hired the dumb@$$ who thinks it's a good idea to copy gardenscapes and remove the fun stuff from the original it
Just gardenscapes basically
Soooooo Garden Escapes meets PvZ?
As per usual...anything with EA turns p2w and became ass
I'm always put off by games looking "mobile-y", even when they're mobile games.
I think what they trying to do with it now is to make the game phase much faster and more replayable but I don't think they should do that.
What they can do that can probably work is to copy Clash Royale's gameplay (a PvP tower defense) since the idea of PvZ already revolves on that format.
And since Clash Royale is kind of on a down fall lately, they can benefit from that.
The graphics only got worse overtime 💀
Young me who played GW and pvz 1 would never accept this big L of game
I also thought the same after 30 levels the game felt like a chore and repeating levels with the same gimmicks and near identical level design didn't help either
there's no way they put you in a world overrun by zombies that have time travel, where plants can walk and have supernatural abilities, and a sentient AI to just say "Hey, this man need help with his garden! Can you help him?". They could've made you finally liberate the world, maybe delve further into the human side of the story, maybe trouble with penny, or literally just mashing together their other ips would've made a better game than whatever this generic looking mesh of color is.
really wish they just stuck with the Garden Warfare series and expanded off that. (not battle for neighborville...)
Sadly this not popcap fault it was EA
I recommend playing pvz1 first because logically Its first game and because Its free to play unlike pvz2 which has alot of microtransactions (unsurprisingly when Its made by EA) tho should play it second. Next pvz3 is boring as u said and other pvz games are totaly diffrent game genre so theese are like diffrent games with same franchise.
Maybe I’m just sleep deprived but when you shake your phone the word sucks in the thumbnail looks like it shakes too
I found out a secret on PvZ 1 and 2 probably . I find that the clouds are zombies heads or brainz
0:52 it isn’t Dave’s house though. Dave lives next door
Wait.. Plants vs zombies 3 exists ???
i grew up with pvz 1, 2 and the GW's and just seeing this is so sad, what have they done to my childhood :(
This game ruined the book series the books where so good back then now it looks so bad
It's so sad to see them not only make a disappointing 3th game but also butcher the characters from the comics
I just play it recently and my opinion was maybe its meant for kids... As old player of pvz, i try this game to 200 levels and theres absolutely no challenge...
Wait PZ3 exist ?
“…let’s get to the kills” 5:57
PvZ 3 does bring 1 good thing with it. The potential for a new Garden Warfare! Cause, let's all be honest here, Garden Warfare is the best thing to have come out of this franchise and it ain't even close
Battle for neighborville failed at being GW3
bro wtf i tried collecting the sun in the video's gameplay 💀
The unic thing i heard was that you want a GW# or that PvZ 3 to be a copy paste of PvZ 1
5:57 pvz3 kill count? Cant believe they skipped the first 2
I think that plants versus zombies is probably gonna stop making games, because after seeing this I don’t think there’s gonna be anymore games
Kids exist but they're gonna rage quit anyways
I think the game is pretty fun enough, its not the worst thing, we can't choose plants the game is still in early access they still can do so much with the game, i like the storyline in the game pvz2 is so bad because its p2w
It took us 4 years to get the second game.
It took us 11 years to get a soft launch of the third game.
I’ve been playing PvZ since I was about 10. I loved garden warfare but they also ruined it imo. GW3 is nearly GW2 with some small additions and a worse Map and worse NPCs. Truly sad what they did to their franchise
on a side note, crazy dave is only the protagonist in the second game, NOT in the first game, hes just the batshit crazy neighbour that comes and goes around telling you nonesense. its the player itself the protagonist, it is your home thats under attack, even the zombies refer to it as the house of the player in their letters
Him: “Plants vs. Zombies 3 is HORRIBLE”
Also him: *playing overwatch*
I’m a connesuir of bad games.
They made a *THIRD ONE?*
They was already milking it hard with PVZ2, and the garden warfare series, but god DAYUM.
PVZ 2 is still a pretty solid game, if you just go through with the main story alone.
Long live the Pvz2 mods. 🙏 Those are the actual quality experience as vanilla Pvz2 is a wasteland at this point.
Plants V.S Zombies 2 and Garden Warfare 2 were PopCap’s best games they made… is it just me or is there a pattern??
Pvz1 exist:omg this game is so good wow
Pvz2 exist:bruh this game is so p2w,nothing beat original
Pvz3 exist:this is a piece of sh*t...