Austen tells us that Georgiana Darcy couldn't fit all her delight at her brother's engagement onto four sides of paper. I've always wondered if it was four sides cross-written or not!
@@katyb2793true, but it was the people who _received_ the letter who paid for the postage. So the most polite thing was to send a franked letter (meaning it had free postage due to the sender's privilege such as being a member of Parliament) or else keep it short and cheap by methods like cross writing.
Ah that's how I'd make my note cards for uni exams! We could put as many formulas on as we could fit handwritten. Two different colors of pen makes it a bit easier to decipher.
Would it not be more effective to simply write as small as possibly? Surely the legibility of writing at ~70% the size would be more legible than an equal amount of words written across one another?
I recall it described in one of Laura Ingalls Wilder's books. Her mother writes a letter for the relatives and tries to get as much as possible into the letter. Sounded unreadable to me then.
Yeah, if I remember correctly, they crossed the letter not just vertically, but also diagonally. Paper was not necessarily easy to come by. In a slightly related practice, my grandmother and her family and friends always signed greeting cards at the bottom, so the recipient could cut the signature off and re-use the card.
Yes it actually is. Same principle as using highliter on notebook s I guess, it makes it easier to keep following the same line of text and not get distracted by the other layer of text.
I’ve always done this! And expected people to be able to read it. At some point I gave up and just made it part of my art. I didn’t know it was an actual thing, thank you!
I do as well. You need to pay attention to spacing individual lines of text, but otherwise, you can really have your fun with it & the text can still remain legible. For example using different colours or saturations of one color to write, write under different angles than just 90° and try getting more layers of text on top of each other. It is very similiar to that red & blue sketches drawn on top of each other and then using filters to single out the layers.
I just watched a video on another channel which described how during Jane Austen's time they would take a piece of paper roughly the size of A4, fold it in half and write on the first three pages leaving the fourth page blank. They would then carefully fold the the letter to create an envelope with the fourth page on the outside. This would then be sealed with wax. Apparently Ms. Austen liked to write long letters and would use cross-writing to not go beyond the three pages. The video showed a copy of a letter she wrote in which she used cross-writing. Is it possible that reading, or trying to read, her letters infuriated some of her friends? [If you would like to see the video, it is entitled: "Regency Era Letter Folding Tutorial - Jane Austen Style."]
One must've needed a very thin italic nib to be able to write such a thing! Perhaps it fell out of fashion once fountain pens became more normal as they tend to have a much thicker nib, even when at their finest. (source: I've practiced calligraphy for years and love history)
i read this thing called the jane austen handbook and when i dont know if its 200% historically accurate it explained all of like janes antics to me which made me very happy xD when explaining how to write a letter they said to save on postage write on one side, turn, write on the other, turn again, and i was like ‘how many pages are we using’ 😭
@@jonkersrarebooksAs a lover of history, I have always found different names for events an interesting fact. It really helps to show how multifaceted events are. What was revolt for one group is mutiny to another.
@@krupaonkarmurthy5903 While it is known as the 'First War of Indian Independence' in school textbooks, in higher studies Revolt of 1857 is more common. Personally, I prefer to use 'Revolt of 1857' because there is no accepted 'second war of independence.' But that is just me being a pedant.
An online friend sent me a picture of a crosswriting letter once, and suggested I print it out and use a blank page to underline as I read. It definitely made it much easier and less annoying to read.
Secretaries used a short code that used abbreviations, not the same code as text speak but the same kind of style and purpose. I imagine part of the appeal of this style though is that it both saves space and discourages anyone sneaking a peek at your letter since it's harder to read, and historically people spying on your letters was a much more common issue.
You should look up Tironian shorthand, it was devised by the Roman statesman's secretary Tiro in the 1st century BC. It was apparently used into the 17th century
Oh gosh. Handwritten abbreviations make certain church and government civil records incomprehensible if you don't already know what the abbreviations represent.
In school, my handwriting always got work sent back for rewrites. I was so happy when word processing was invented. And then became a teacher and discovered... ...my handwriting was not only legible but razor-level on the board.😮 Turns out I just had to write bigger.
I fucking love this channel, and your passion for what you do. I don’t even read much, but watching you has made me want to crack open some LOTR and delve into that world head first.
When I was a freshman in college 1964, in S.C., USA, I had a roommate whose parents were missionaries in Australia. They wrote this way to her on airmail tissue paper. She was always stressed when she got a letter and would hold it for hours afraid to open it as she aways expected bad news.
I would do multiple designs, not all the time with different ink on a little bit of tracing paper in architecture school(1980s.) It baffled me when others couldn't separate the layers😂
I remember reading in one of the Little House on the Prairie books about Laura’s Ma writing a letter and then turning it sideways and writing more, and my kid brain was just like “…wh…wha…?” Yeah. My adult brain is still like that 😂
I had to scan a lot of letters written in that style for an old job, and between the cross-writing and the penmanship styles of the time, it literally did not look like English to me
Helps to take the envelope or another piece of paper to block out the other lines. My Grandfather's letters home from the South Pacific were written this way. I don't know why because we only found them 12 years after he passed away while taking care of my Grandmother's estate after she passed away.
They originally didn’t use envelopes if they could leave one side of one sheet (or at least the parts that would be on the outside when folded up as a letter) unwritten, because the envelope counted as another sheet of paper that the recipient had to pay postage for.
@@ragnkja Neat. Thanks for sharing. I find that kind of stuff fascinating. My cheap cell phone was Star Trek level stuff once. So I'm really intrested in what life was real like before my time.
Wonder if this is going to come back given the cost of postage in the UK today, it is infuriating but also makes sense, however how hard it is to read... I know I'd have difficulty to read this style today and i have fairly good eyesight.
Just use a red pen and a blue pen for the cross writing and then read it with 3D glasses. (With either the left eye or the right eye closed.) This makes it much easier.
Yknow… I quite like this, and I believe that using red ink for foreground sentences and blue for bg sentences would make this far easier to read. Easier to just focus on one colour or the other.
2 questions: 1. Is this just spiral-writing? (You turn right every time you get to the end of the line) 2. How exactly does this give you more space if it’s the same size piece of paper
Omg i never realized this was real. I use a variation of this in my comic! Its a specific language thats died out buts common to write the symbols in a spiral instead of in a line. But a squirrel kept the dead language alive in the underworld by selling love notes in the language for ppl to give to their partners. He would even change the spiral to a heart shape if you asked to fit the love theme. Then theres a famous love poem that seems impossible to read but it’s multiple POV in two spirals intertwined and opposing directions. Each pov is a lover telling their struggles w/in the relationship. ^u^ i had so much fun thinking up the language that i made it usable and have symbols for my name, my parents, objects. I can make sentences out of them !!!
I helped a guy decide a few pages of cross-writing. I never saw anything like that here in the States but he had some old letters from the U. K. that he let me try and figure out.
@@atticusdalton4129 i had never considered this, but scholars who can read someone's handwriting well are in great demand by other scholars for help. So she had to learn to read the cross-writing. I just love his vids here!
Good thing we now have the ability to scan and dissect writing on these little sheets of paper. The handwriting is marvelous and beautiful, but it’s too bad that it’s very difficult to read
It's not Indian mutiny of 1857. It is first Indian Revolution. We were not revolting against our 'masters' but revolting to gain our freedom from East India company.
i think it could work if you wrote in plain text, on grid paper with two different colored pens especially if you did it like that one trick where you could look through something red to only see the blue words then look through something blue to only see the red
I actually succeeded in reading a section of cross reading in a book once and shut the book for at least 10 minutes to get over the headache. To be fair, I might have had the headache first, but it genuinely made it worse if it was there first.
I used to type up my mom's casenotes. She'd write normally until she hit the bottom. Then she write up the sides, and around, until that filled. Finally a word would disappear off the edge. If I turned the page over, there was the rest of the word, and the sentence would resume. Once, in an edit addition, she wrote in ever smaller circles, spiralling smaller and smaller
I remember my grade school teacher had us do a letter like this to each other in the class, I think we were reading some early pioneer novel or something. None of us could read anyone's letters properly, I can't remember how the teacher even graded us. I think it was grade 3 or 4 so we'd only been learning cursive not too long ago
If it's from revolution of 1857 of mutiny of India, then my friend it's a treasure for India to understand it's history better as not everything is known about revolution of 1857 and you should share it with the government of India
An Australian explorer named Howitt did just this in the 1800s when writing his daily accounts of crossing the Alpine region of Victoria. I was trying to read his accounts for a project and just gave up I was so cross!
His explanation, which looked like they were circling the edges, didn't make sense until I looked it up. Basically, it's two layers of writing imposed at a 90 degree angle on top of each other. Imagine printing page 1 in portrait mode, then printing page 2 on top that same paper in landscape mode. It really only works with thin lettering/strokes, hence the chicken scratch.
Plz permit me to suggest that correctly considered a bibliophile would NOT -- should not -- have hyphenated L. Carroll's quote as to "cross reading." Agreed?
It would have been more tolerable if they marked which side was the initial top of the paper, so you’d know where to start, and it was marked which way it was turnt… like ‘oh start with this side up and turn counter clockwise’ It would be much easier to piece together which lines which
I recall seeing some of Darwin's letters to his wife were cross-written. Trying to make the lack paper on his voyage on the Beagle go as far as possible.
it's so strange I wrote that way as a child for a while I later found out in later life I am autistic apart from saving writing space I wonder if this was a trait in some authorsx
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Austen tells us that Georgiana Darcy couldn't fit all her delight at her brother's engagement onto four sides of paper. I've always wondered if it was four sides cross-written or not!
Oh, that makes sense now! I remember reading that line and being confused, imagining a 3d peice of paper 😂
It's probably from needing to save paper, too?
@@imslightly1591perhaps but not for Georgiana. her and Mr Darcy were insanely rich.
@@katyb2793true, but it was the people who _received_ the letter who paid for the postage. So the most polite thing was to send a franked letter (meaning it had free postage due to the sender's privilege such as being a member of Parliament) or else keep it short and cheap by methods like cross writing.
@@TheMotherofTacos really? I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing, that's so interesting 😊
My Dyslexia just committed seppuku from looking at that page
Nooooooooooo 😢 😭
also wtf
I’m not dyslexic, but my brain did the same 😅
same 💀
Good, then you’re cured! 😄
It would be great if you could share a reading session with us and point out how each sentence is arranged. Thank you for sharing.
The exact same as if you wrote normally, just completly cluttered.
It isn't a fancy style or system man. It's just writing shit over the shit you all ready wrote..
@@B2Rolandwhy could he not just say that and make sense 🤨
@@CaptainAMAZINGGG he did
The revolt of 1857 by mangal pandey was first indian effort towards freedom 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Ah that's how I'd make my note cards for uni exams! We could put as many formulas on as we could fit handwritten. Two different colors of pen makes it a bit easier to decipher.
Would it not be more effective to simply write as small as possibly? Surely the legibility of writing at ~70% the size would be more legible than an equal amount of words written across one another?
@@andrewkvk1707 what if you write really small AND cross write, it would be absolutely illegible but it makes it more dense
Using two colors was exactly what I was thinking also.
It really goes to show how expensive paper, ink, and postage were.
I recall it described in one of Laura Ingalls Wilder's books.
Her mother writes a letter for the relatives and tries to get as much as possible into the letter.
Sounded unreadable to me then.
Yes this is what came to mind for me too
Yeah, if I remember correctly, they crossed the letter not just vertically, but also diagonally. Paper was not necessarily easy to come by.
In a slightly related practice, my grandmother and her family and friends always signed greeting cards at the bottom, so the recipient could cut the signature off and re-use the card.
I wonder if it would be easier to read if you used different color ink for the different directions
Even more so if you had 3d glasses
Yes it actually is. Same principle as using highliter on notebook s I guess, it makes it easier to keep following the same line of text and not get distracted by the other layer of text.
I remember reading a mathematician used to do this to save paper. He usegreen,red and blue inks and wrote on top of each other
Good idea.
I’d actually prefer attempting to decider that, over Gregg short-hand.
I’ve always done this! And expected people to be able to read it. At some point I gave up and just made it part of my art. I didn’t know it was an actual thing, thank you!
I do as well. You need to pay attention to spacing individual lines of text, but otherwise, you can really have your fun with it & the text can still remain legible. For example using different colours or saturations of one color to write, write under different angles than just 90° and try getting more layers of text on top of each other.
It is very similiar to that red & blue sketches drawn on top of each other and then using filters to single out the layers.
Same. My pages are a mess, but I can read it!
I just watched a video on another channel which described how during Jane Austen's time they would take a piece of paper roughly the size of A4, fold it in half and write on the first three pages leaving the fourth page blank. They would then carefully fold the the letter to create an envelope with the fourth page on the outside. This would then be sealed with wax.
Apparently Ms. Austen liked to write long letters and would use cross-writing to not go beyond the three pages. The video showed a copy of a letter she wrote in which she used cross-writing. Is it possible that reading, or trying to read, her letters infuriated some of her friends?
[If you would like to see the video, it is entitled: "Regency Era Letter Folding Tutorial - Jane Austen Style."]
Thank you! Looking that up right now! 😁
One must've needed a very thin italic nib to be able to write such a thing! Perhaps it fell out of fashion once fountain pens became more normal as they tend to have a much thicker nib, even when at their finest.
(source: I've practiced calligraphy for years and love history)
i read this thing called the jane austen handbook and when i dont know if its 200% historically accurate it explained all of like janes antics to me which made me very happy xD when explaining how to write a letter they said to save on postage write on one side, turn, write on the other, turn again, and i was like ‘how many pages are we using’ 😭
Being an Indian, we know it as the Revolt of 1857.
One of the times we tried to get real freedom but failed.
Yes, I always go back and forth about what to call this event - I don't like the term 'mutiny' but that is what it is best known as here
@@jonkersrarebooksAs a lover of history, I have always found different names for events an interesting fact. It really helps to show how multifaceted events are. What was revolt for one group is mutiny to another.
In most of the history textbooks in India it is referred to as The first war Indian independence and that's how Indians like to refer to it as well.
@@krupaonkarmurthy5903 While it is known as the 'First War of Indian Independence' in school textbooks, in higher studies Revolt of 1857 is more common. Personally, I prefer to use 'Revolt of 1857' because there is no accepted 'second war of independence.' But that is just me being a pedant.
Was here to say the same thing. It's India's first freedom struggle not mutiny
Make an algorithm that rearranges a scanned copy into regular print
An online friend sent me a picture of a crosswriting letter once, and suggested I print it out and use a blank page to underline as I read. It definitely made it much easier and less annoying to read.
This being a problem, it's interesting that something like SMS language (textspeak) didn't emerge far earlier.
Secretaries used a short code that used abbreviations, not the same code as text speak but the same kind of style and purpose. I imagine part of the appeal of this style though is that it both saves space and discourages anyone sneaking a peek at your letter since it's harder to read, and historically people spying on your letters was a much more common issue.
@BankruptMonkey Shorthand?
You should look up Tironian shorthand, it was devised by the Roman statesman's secretary Tiro in the 1st century BC. It was apparently used into the 17th century
Oh gosh. Handwritten abbreviations make certain church and government civil records incomprehensible if you don't already know what the abbreviations represent.
I always wondered what this would look like! They do it in little house on the Prarie, and I couldn't figure out what that would be like.
I think you could be forgiven for cross writing if you’re in the middle of the Indian Mutiny 😂
Indian revolt*
It was deffinetly not mutiny
It was indian finaly desided to fight for right to freedom not only for themsels bt also for the land itsef
In school, my handwriting always got work sent back for rewrites. I was so happy when word processing was invented.
And then became a teacher and discovered...
...my handwriting was not only legible but razor-level on the board.😮 Turns out I just had to write bigger.
I fucking love this channel, and your passion for what you do. I don’t even read much, but watching you has made me want to crack open some LOTR and delve into that world head first.
When I was a freshman in college 1964, in S.C., USA, I had a roommate whose parents were missionaries in Australia. They wrote this way to her on airmail tissue paper. She was always stressed when she got a letter and would hold it for hours afraid to open it as she aways expected bad news.
My grandmother use to write on every square inch of a piece of paper. It wasn't beutiful like crosswriting, but it was a similiar idea.
My gt grandmother would write the letter, then write across it to add more news. Saved paper and postage England to Siam in WW2. True.
Cross writing was the alternating capital and lower case letters of the Victorian era.
Seen some postcards/carte postales written that way. Around 100+ years ago they did that here in Finland. Limited space to write. so.
I’ve never loved Jane’s writing style despite her amazing stories but I had never heard of this!
What an absolute legend. This is beyond cool.
Imagine having this as a pdf and trying to read on your computer
My neck is complaining just reading this 😭
That's a good pun.
I would do multiple designs, not all the time with different ink on a little bit of tracing paper in architecture school(1980s.) It baffled me when others couldn't separate the layers😂
A good way to save paper use red and blue then use transparent red and blue paper to read only the red or the blue ink
The price of postage now might lead to a comeback of this writing technique 😂
You couldn't any longer read a letter by holding the closed envelope against a light source!
I'm so glad that you DIDN'T make this a loop. I was waiting for it, then, oh thank you for that.
I remember reading in one of the Little House on the Prairie books about Laura’s Ma writing a letter and then turning it sideways and writing more, and my kid brain was just like “…wh…wha…?”
Yeah. My adult brain is still like that 😂
Took crossword puzzles to another level
Deciphering crosswritten records is one of like four things I can see AI being a good use case for
I had to scan a lot of letters written in that style for an old job, and between the cross-writing and the penmanship styles of the time, it literally did not look like English to me
Helps to take the envelope or another piece of paper to block out the other lines.
My Grandfather's letters home from the South Pacific were written this way.
I don't know why because we only found them 12 years after he passed away while taking care of my Grandmother's estate after she passed away.
They originally didn’t use envelopes if they could leave one side of one sheet (or at least the parts that would be on the outside when folded up as a letter) unwritten, because the envelope counted as another sheet of paper that the recipient had to pay postage for.
@@ragnkja Neat. Thanks for sharing. I find that kind of stuff fascinating.
My cheap cell phone was Star Trek level stuff once.
So I'm really intrested in what life was real like before my time.
Wonder if this is going to come back given the cost of postage in the UK today, it is infuriating but also makes sense, however how hard it is to read... I know I'd have difficulty to read this style today and i have fairly good eyesight.
I think if each way u see it could be different colours it would be easier to see
My grandma was taught to write like that during WWII to save paper during rationing
Just use a red pen and a blue pen for the cross writing and then read it with 3D glasses. (With either the left eye or the right eye closed.)
This makes it much easier.
I Love your channel! I learn new things all the time. Also TH-cam randomly unsubscribed me from your channel today... weird.
Yknow… I quite like this, and I believe that using red ink for foreground sentences and blue for bg sentences would make this far easier to read. Easier to just focus on one colour or the other.
2 questions:
1. Is this just spiral-writing? (You turn right every time you get to the end of the line)
2. How exactly does this give you more space if it’s the same size piece of paper
Omg i never realized this was real. I use a variation of this in my comic! Its a specific language thats died out buts common to write the symbols in a spiral instead of in a line. But a squirrel kept the dead language alive in the underworld by selling love notes in the language for ppl to give to their partners. He would even change the spiral to a heart shape if you asked to fit the love theme. Then theres a famous love poem that seems impossible to read but it’s multiple POV in two spirals intertwined and opposing directions. Each pov is a lover telling their struggles w/in the relationship. ^u^ i had so much fun thinking up the language that i made it usable and have symbols for my name, my parents, objects. I can make sentences out of them !!!
I know people who do this to take notes but in three different colours to make it easier to read
I helped a guy decide a few pages of cross-writing. I never saw anything like that here in the States but he had some old letters from the U. K. that he let me try and figure out.
I think Mary Shelley did this in some of her letters!
Yes, she did! I had a wonderful MS scholar as a teacher once, and she showed us that. My first exposure to it, actually.
@@Lin-1785 That is so cool! Thank you for sharing!
@@atticusdalton4129 i had never considered this, but scholars who can read someone's handwriting well are in great demand by other scholars for help. So she had to learn to read the cross-writing. I just love his vids here!
Something I think would make cross writing easier to read would be to write in different colors .
Makes me cross eyed trying to read that
I confused it for his chest 😅
Good thing we now have the ability to scan and dissect writing on these little sheets of paper. The handwriting is marvelous and beautiful, but it’s too bad that it’s very difficult to read
In really poor families, they'd sometimes add diagonal lines also.
It's not Indian mutiny of 1857. It is first Indian Revolution. We were not revolting against our 'masters' but revolting to gain our freedom from East India company.
My friend and I have tried cross writing with red and blue pen, to make it easier to read we use red and blue plastic film.
i think it could work if you wrote in plain text, on grid paper with two different colored pens especially if you did it like that one trick where you could look through something red to only see the blue words then look through something blue to only see the red
Wow, they couldn't just write a tad smaller, closer together...lol wild.
Small cursive is not fun to read when a lot of letters strung together look like other letters strung together due to size
Writing small and close together might be more difficult with ink and pens. Ink can bleed together and it would all just end in blobs 😅
ha ha oh right 🪶🖊@@MeonLights
@@MeonLightswell this isn't much better than blobs, it just looks like chicken scratch
I write small and close together, and it's probably harder for other people to decipher than this
Peppino Spaghetti ending up on the tumblr sexyman wiki before any other pizza tower character:
I actually succeeded in reading a section of cross reading in a book once and shut the book for at least 10 minutes to get over the headache. To be fair, I might have had the headache first, but it genuinely made it worse if it was there first.
I used to type up my mom's casenotes. She'd write normally until she hit the bottom. Then she write up the sides, and around, until that filled. Finally a word would disappear off the edge. If I turned the page over, there was the rest of the word, and the sentence would resume. Once, in an edit addition, she wrote in ever smaller circles, spiralling smaller and smaller
If only they used different coloured inks.
I'm pretty sure they used whatever ink they could get!
I remember my grade school teacher had us do a letter like this to each other in the class, I think we were reading some early pioneer novel or something. None of us could read anyone's letters properly, I can't remember how the teacher even graded us. I think it was grade 3 or 4 so we'd only been learning cursive not too long ago
If it's from revolution of 1857 of mutiny of India, then my friend it's a treasure for India to understand it's history better as not everything is known about revolution of 1857 and you should share it with the government of India
I used to do that in grade school for fun! 😂
That is the most beautiful piece of paper I've ever seen
An Australian explorer named Howitt did just this in the 1800s when writing his daily accounts of crossing the Alpine region of Victoria. I was trying to read his accounts for a project and just gave up I was so cross!
He's so delicate with the paper
So THAT’S what Johnathan Harper meant in Dracula 🤯
Always wondered why they didn't change ink colors
Chat-GPT. "Hold my memory registers"
My dyslexia could not handle reading back then
His explanation, which looked like they were circling the edges, didn't make sense until I looked it up. Basically, it's two layers of writing imposed at a 90 degree angle on top of each other. Imagine printing page 1 in portrait mode, then printing page 2 on top that same paper in landscape mode. It really only works with thin lettering/strokes, hence the chicken scratch.
Plz permit me to suggest that correctly considered a bibliophile would NOT -- should not -- have hyphenated L. Carroll's quote as to "cross reading." Agreed?
Im going to try that as an art form. Imagine leaving your journal to decode for whoever to find.
Yo i got a really good idea for onw page cheat sheets in uni
It would have been more tolerable if they marked which side was the initial top of the paper, so you’d know where to start, and it was marked which way it was turnt… like ‘oh start with this side up and turn counter clockwise’
It would be much easier to piece together which lines which
If it’s a letter, look for a salutation.
If you must cheap put on parchment, add any pigment to the ink after the turn.
Everyone was very cross about it
something about a British accent referring to that event as "the Indian Mutiny" boils my blood just a teeny-weeny bit
Grow up
Probably would work very well with differently colored ink
Sometimes they used different colors of ink and due to oxidation over time both inks turn into the same greyish brown
I recall seeing some of Darwin's letters to his wife were cross-written. Trying to make the lack paper on his voyage on the Beagle go as far as possible.
I'll start doing that when writing emails
Paper was a luxury. It used to be very difficult to make. We forget how easy access we have now. So people used to ration paper.
The lines are straight. So neat.
I'm definitely gonna try this.
My man writing in Phyrexian
Part of me wants to try it, part of me is already furious
There has to be a way to scan that and some sort of software to read it LOL
I saw this on the movie Pale Blue Eye
It makes a lot of sense when you think about how expensive paper was at that time.
Im using this for a dnd session tyvm
I talk like this when I'm high.
That would definitely make me cross😕 Cross-eyed indeed 😵😵💫
How did save money on postage? It looks like it takes up more than traditional writing from left to right.
Is this where the phrase "being crossed with someone" comes from?
it's so strange I wrote that way as a child for a while I later found out in later life I am autistic apart from saving writing space I wonder if this was a trait in some authorsx
What tom song is that
Holy crap! I just looked up some examples, that could make someone brain sick trying to disect, i have a headache just looking at examples
This note looks like it’s written in Phyrexian
Something in me wants to try this