LeMond: "Did Chris Froome Use A Motor" ???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ม.ค. 2024
- Anthony chats with cycling legend Greg LeMond.
Did Chris Froome use a motor during his tour victory?
You can check out the full conversation with Greg LeMond here
Part 1 • My Untold Story of EPO...
Part 2 • The Untold Story About... - กีฬา
If you want to check out my new podcast with Greg LeMond in full here's the link
th-cam.com/video/_kFSe3VxS10/w-d-xo.html&start_radio=1
This was a great one... enjoyed it
Can you link/credit to the examination videos at 0:40 secs and beyond?
Greg saying that he doesn't know if he would've been able to resist the rise of doping is an impressive level of honesty.
If everyone else does it and you don't you're out of a job.
Greg worked with Yvan Van Mol. Nothing more needs to be said. It wasn't B12 that he took in 89.
I think he isn't totally honest, but close.
And surely , he referes epo to be THE substance. What's understandable, there werent even tests for hamatocrite.
Maybe he did a little cortisone, testosterone, coffein, pain killers. Something like that. Just my thoughts.
It's possible to go far with testosterone and cortisone.
I could do 6,2w/kg/h just with test and a hamoglobine in the upper Norm
@@LTPottengerthat's exactly why EVERYONE did it!
Honesty ? You think this bloke won the tour clean ?
I have personally seen a bike with a motor in the seat tube, engaging the crankset. Waterbottle was the battery. Electronics in the brake levers. In a Sarto carbon fiber road frame.
Perhaps they should do a tear down of the top five finishing bikes in front of all the compactors. The same thing is done in auto racing, it keeps everyone honest.
X Ray the freaking bikes and stop moaning
At every F1 race weekend, over the three practice sessions, qualifying and race (some races have an additional sprint race but only one practice session) cars come into the pits up to around times. At any time when entering the pitlane, a car can be randomly diverted into the inspection area where anything & everything can be checked by the marshals to ensure cars are legal.
With cheating being so commonplace here, random inspections should be introduced in this sport.
UCI did x-ray bikes and never found one single motor doping incident. All this is just a farce for Greg and other people wishing to push people down.
IRL, Greg is a good guy. Talked with me for a few moments the night before I was heading out for an MS 150 and also signed my water bottle. wysiwyg with him.
Mad respect for LeMond, he is generational cycling talent and put US cycling on the map
You are a fool to think so
This is the new form of EPO,Electric Powered Output
Greg is such a gem. We need more idealists like him who are willing to put their values on the line, particularly when the public is being manipulated into believing a narrative which isn't what's actually going on.
Oh, I see. We need more conspiracy theorists. There was I thinking we'd got plenty enough already.
@@MikeAG333 Hardly a "Theory" when they keep coming true?
@@strongdelusion9442 Let me know when you can produce any evidence....
@@strongdelusion9442the vast majority just disappear as they were always bullshit.
"idealists" -- good description.
Thanks Greg for sharing these insights and logic behind increasing speed on a legendary tough climb while wattage output goes down. Most lay fans don't understand these things, so thanks for educating us and making us aware to be discerning when viewing the races and results.
I'll never forget Bennett's wise words on that last mountain stage of the Giro: 'He pulled of a Landis'. Too bad for poor Dumoulin.
Not necessarily saying Greg is wrong here with motors being used, but regarding his remarks at 2:25 on "Froome on Mt. Ventoux.", I actually pulled this up on TH-cam. When he's attacking, the displayed power goes up to over 650 Watts. It never really went above 500 Watts in the whole 25 minutes of the climb before, mostly around 380 Watts. Yes, it is true, it does then go down to a minimum of around 300 Watts again, but that is during a corner, after which it goes up again to very high values. It is also totally possible that the displayed Watts might be mismatched by a few seconds. When attacking Quintana later, the Watts again go over 1000 Watts! Just sayin'.
well said
He was looking at the strava data not the data put on the screen that syncs up with an approximate power value on TV.
Greg Lemond = legend.
Although I partially blame Greg for getting into racing. Turns out I don't like much about bike racing. I'm a JFF(Just For Fun) rider in my soul. Now I'm back to pleasure riding(on 50mm tires), the fun, relaxation and passion is back. STILL appreciate Greg!
Champion bike racer, passionate cyclist, and stand up guy.
Best wishes.
I'm so glad I stopped racing. What a debacle. If I ever get on a bike again, it'll be for fun only.
Loving these clips.
I've just bought a second hand bike with a seat tube motor, it's fantastic, it looks and weighs the same as a standard bike. She's not a cyclist, but can now drop me on a climb.
There is still one team with a lot of bike changes for no clear reason! The two leaders of Alpecin Deceuninck (Mathieu van der Poel and Jasper Philipsen) do it every important race. Until last year the bikes even had diferent colors. they started the day with one color and the final was ridden with another.
From this year onwards there is still the change, but apparently with the same coloured bikes.
Can anyone link/credit to the examination videos at 0:40 secs and beyond?
He is so powerful, he had the motor going the other way to make it more challenging.
Not disagreeing with Greg and all respect but some riders choose shorter crank lengths which of course means that a racer can generate higher RPMs with less torque - the bike swaps MIGHT have something to to with optimum gearing for the different sections of a stage?
Froome's suspicious rides were years before the current interest in crank lengths.
When I was hard I used to do short hill sprints at 130+ rpm on 170s. But I don't think this was the most efficient way to get up the hill. This was a training drill.
Back in the old cycling days of the 1980’s, I raced track at a velodrome in East Point Georgia. On Friday night they had Omnium events. There were sprint events, miss and outs and a 50 lap final race. You earned points for your finishes in each event which determines the night eventual winner.
Anyhow, I wasn’t the greatest racer but could hang on the local Pro 1-2’s. I discovered that by changing crank lengths between nightly events helped my performance. I started with lower gears and 165 mm cranks for the sprints, then moved up to 170 to 172 mm cranks and a bigger gear for the 50 lap event. I had to be mentally mindful to remember the longer cranks in the turns to not crash out by brushing a pedal in the steep banking.
Changing crank arms does help performance. I always wanted to play with longer crank arms for the 25 mile time trial, but never got a chance.
There was another crank length to outer chain ring dimension I feel I discovered, but when I spoke to Phd professors of Physics at a local university, they said I didn’t know what I was talking about. But on the bike, I could feel it.
@@af4od02 interesting story - I had a track bike too and rode on our Velodrome here in Montreal but I don't remember its crank lengths. The Phd profs were obviously not cyclists LOL - that's a little like speaker cables - they in theory shouldn't make a difference but when you actually LISTEN to them, they DO - thanks for your input :-)
I saw a bike that clearly had a motor in it on the Tour de France. Even more insulting there were two guys on it ….. They can easily be identified as they had instructions for the motor on their backs.. they had PRESS. Hate cheats.
fucking great comment. well done
The best comment!
You're FKing hilarious, not
Funny stuff but lets be real, cycling is all about cheating....
The other guys on the one-man devices have another kind of enhancements.
Chris Froome was a monster in the mid 2010s simple as that
I was an ex sports journo, who came from cycling to triathlon. You think cycling is bad? Triathlon has been winging it for years in both short course and long course. I wrote an article on it in 2018 that never got published because what was contained within it was pretty damning, esp to a cheating Swiss who stole 2 olympic medals (Gold and Silver)and if she'd not had a mishap in Tokyo would have stolen another, all at the age of 38.
Can I find this article somewhere? I would like to read it
@@thru_and_thru Hi, you can put in Google, Marcus Maher (off the ball) triathlon. You can read an article that I alluded to in 2019, there I interviewed WC Vincent Luis and the doping in the sport.
The bigger article I wrote was never published due to certain people not prepared to go on the record.
Make a video about the issue, man!
Publish the paper
Oh Nicola Spirig. Interesting.....
Was that Ventoux Power vs Speed mismatch proven ? Seems odd it didn't get the traction it deserved if it was...
The people who own the bike teams own the media
There are some TH-cam videos out there showing power data laid over the video broadcast, but I have never seen anyone verify that the power values are accurate.
I remember reading an article in the uk cycling press just after the 1984 Olympics, the Brit riders were talking about the US team riders coming up to them and saying they’d had a visit from the milkman and got a ‘fresh pint’. They knew they meant some form of blood doping but EPO wasn’t even heard of at that point.
All english TDF winners were on something: doping or mechanical or both
I heard once: How do you know if a Tour de France cyclist is doping? If they finish the race.
I don't know how far back in time it goes, but I believe it.
Nice quote. Without doping you probably could finish with a 35km/h pace
@@herum_lungerer73 Me? On that course? I doubt I could ever finish. I wouldn't clear 15mph. Those climbs are nasty and I'd be terrified going down the mountains.
IIRC, if you don't keep up you get eliminated.
I think it goes back to 1903.
Absolutely !!!!!
LeMond won 3 individual stages and won the Tour 3 times: 1986, 1989, 1990.
During any of those years not a single rider in the Tour peloton failed a drug test.
However in future testing 31% of the riders that took part in the 1986 Tour tested positive, 32% of the riders in the 1989 race tested positive, and 37% of the riders taking part in the 1990 Tour tested positive.
You'd have to make a decision here, either nobody doped during the 1986/89/90 Tours - but oddly 1/3 the peloton doped and was caught in subsequent races, or the doping tests weren't any good, or the test results were hidden.
And if they were hidden, why were they hidden and who were they protecting?
The hypocrisy of this sport, until you re caught you are the greatest, sometimes, even after getting caught you're seen as a super rider, like Pantani, but, Lance, the best of the best, even without doing any blood enhancing stuff he would probably win a ton of shit, he was just a product of the bad side of the sport, when you're close to win and see others do it, you're going to do it as well, if every one is on it, it's only fair game. His 7 wins are legit in my book
@@bernardo9202 I call it the 4th place problem, you can spend your whole life in a sport, give up a lot of things, spend 10s of thousands of hours, become really good so basically you've doubled down (tripled, 100x...) and you come in ... 4th that is, off the podium It's a little beyond "Gee, at least I tried" you've really sold your soul. But just a little help gets you to 3rd - maybe better - place.
Is it possible to get a bike battery to push 800+ and even last being that small? My friend who works in a bike shop and he has known some people take the EU "restricters" off and they have burnt the circuits real quick they do give some 5-600 watts for about 30 mins but the batteries are huge as in the size of the bottom tube.
Precisely - I'd like an engineer to confirm that this is even physically possible.
My ebike has been deristricted for years. Never burnt anything out.
You give a pro an extra 50W for 1 minute and it's a stage win.
Doesn't need to be 500-600 watts, a pro doing 350w with an extra 50-100 Watts saves the legs and gets they ahead even more.
@@alan_davis not at the big races like the tour, say somebody like Ben O'connor for him to beat Jonas he would need at least 150+watts to beat him. Jonas is apparently pushing over 400+ at every climb and for a lightweight like him other riders will need over 500 just to be able to beat him.
I never believed Chris froome for a minute
For me was same as Cancelara-fraudster.
Why does he have to try and set himself up as Mr virtue to cast doubt over everyone else!!!
@@roybuffey6104He isn’t casting doubt on everyone. He mentioned that he has seen no evidence of motors being used in today’s peloton.
Cause you are a hater?
Oh well that proves it beyond any doubt for me then
Perfectly fits a dismissive avoidant ex who’s dysfunction I’m still working through.
I started road cycling in 2000 after solely riding mountain bikes. I did the Ride the Rockies tour my first year and I was enthralled by road cycling and followed all the tours. My favorite rider became Lance. I read his book and followed him all along. When Pantani got busted and numerous others I was so disappointed, but I knew Lance was clean. Because he told us he was. Then the truth came out. I was devastated. I still ride my fixed gear bike every day. But I no longer watch any of the tours. I just can't. Greg is a hero in my book!
I've seen two bikes with motors hidden in them.
And the motors and getting smaller and smaller for the power they can produce.
I remember watching the tour when Froome attacked on a mountain stage. The broadcast showed real time numbers like heartrate. This climb Froome and whoever was with him were really on the rivet, they had been climbing hard and dropped everyone else. The next thing Froome accelerates madly without standing and just left the second best climber in the world in his dust. They had been climbing at around 17mph, with this attack Froome got more than 10 seconds advantage in less than 200 meters. I did the math at the time and figuring the 2 rider keeping the same pace meant Froome's acceleration went above 27 mph. I watched his heartrate and there was NO significant deviation from the effort. He went from like 132bpm to 135 bpm. If you looked at just the heartrate you would say he rode steady the whole way. No matter how great an athlete you are your heart rate changes during any kind of effort. Rapid acceleration that puts you far away from the second best climber in the world with no change in heartrate shows mechanical cheating. Why was Froome prone to crashing? Good time to ditch the bike with the motor.
I also remember them using what I think were heat detection cameras on the motorbikes at the time to check for motors. I just don't believe this is true in the slightest. Are we also accusing all the tour winners now of doing this? Training, nutrition, everything has changed a lot since Lemonds days
@@cyclingartist6827delusional.
@@cyclingartist6827Electric bikes were definitely used
Of course. Because heart rate monitors are known to be 100% reliable all the time.
@jepulis6674 If you didn't know there was widespread cheating by the winners in cycling it means you are very uninformed
one of the most visible ones i've seen was within the last 7 years and there was a rider who crashed, I'm sorry I didn't commit the rider and race to memory. the rider was off the road to the side in the weeds and he got up then grabbed his bike that he was separated from and picked it up to turn it around and the back wheel just starts going.
Ryder Hesjedal.
That was just a crank on the ground.
@@alan_davis no not exactly the rider picked the bike up out of the weeds had it up in the air without turning his pedals or anything and the wheel started from slow and then sped up it was definitely something and at the time I think six other people commented on the video and said what is that is that a motor.
Having race for 25 years and plenty of times crashed and had to pick my bike up and I understand you know if the cranks down and as you pick it up it it rotates forward and the wheel turns but yeah this was almost it almost did a little burnout this is being a racing fan and racer from late 70s 80s 90s early 2000s I still race cyclocross in the fall and winter at 63
The legend
💯
These guys on epo in the 90s rode 36kph tdf now its over 40 and supposedlyclean
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Sports science didn’t exist in the 90s. All the 1% marginal gains have added up.
They probably still do drugs though
Training and bikes got better... and... öhmm.. the epo too maybe
I guess they tweaked the hot sauce for their pasta a bot more 😜
I used to watch Lemond, Hinault and all those guys back in the day. I was glued to the TV and then off I'd go on my bike for an hour or two in the British summers. My club coach kept saying I should attempt to go for the professional level, but although I loved cycling, I knew the hell you have to put yourself through to be a pro cyclist. I spread myself over a number of other sports and did end up playing a watersport for two countries....so I did reach the top of a sport, Just not cycling. In an alternative life, maybe I'll pick cycling.
Huge LeMond fan!
He's tops
He’s a huge fan of himself as well
@@trevortwemlow7801in his own head he is the Bret hart of cycling,to much juice pickled his brain
@@trevortwemlow7801why wouldn’t he be a fan of himself and what he has achieved.. where as you on the other hand…😂
@@trevortwemlow7801sorry trev I’m trying hard to think of something worthwhile you have done.. still nothing 😂
It's not what you "think you know" it's what you can prove 😅
Greetings from Croatia 😎
I always find it amusing that Greg excelled at a time in a sport rife with doping, yet succeeded to do it clean 🤔🤔
He made have used, but keep in mind in the mid 80’s when he won, there was no Epo and there was no IM testosterone. Epo wasn’t even approved for use until 1989.
That leaves the other common, and that’s good old blood doping with his own blood. This was extreme prevalent in the 70’s amongst marathon runners, olympians and cyclists. Now, blood doping was NOT even illegal until 1985. So, I’m sure he….and every other pro in the tour likely did this on evening prior to the start and maybe again final week. But regardless, it that phase where most were doing it, legally
The '80s was "doping lite." Steroids for recovery, stimulants, that sort of thing. The '84 US Olympic team blood-boosted without EPO, as did other "amateur" teams, but that regimen might have been too disruptive to pros who had to be "on," week in and week out.
@@SummitPerformance ,"Epo wasn’t even approved for use until 1989.", yeah, that would stop them, lol
Greg LaMond was one of the best.
Such a dangerous and reckless conversation with no evidence. Nothing they say would hold up in court. “It looks like a motor. I heard it was a motor”. Bullshit. Show evidence or shut up.
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proofs
Brother, it was the same with doping. You have to understand that many professional athletes would do ANYTHING to win. I remember an anonymous poll done with Olympians, as far as I remember, 70% of them would accept dying after 10 years, if it means to be the Olympic champion...
@@AlexandarShmex I appreciate your stance. To me, motor doping is and should be easier to identify. They instituted, what looked like iPads, scanning bikes before and after races. They caught one young lady at a cyclocross event. Any time you make a claim against someone, it needs to be with evidence. Otherwise you’re damaging someone’s reputation and putting a blemish on it for no reason. After last week, is he going to say Pogacar is motor doping during Strade? Because he smoked the field? If so, it better have some teeth to that accusation.
Completely agreed
Wake up or shut up sheep!
There was far more bike changes 5 years ago! No there wasn’t. There’s probably double the amount of changes now due to disc brakes as it’s often quicker to change the bike when they have a flat
Very true. I wonder do all the spares get scanned?
@@roadmanpodcastclips not sure but even if they are pre race it would be easy enough for a team car to swap the one on the roof of the car for another on route. Id say if they are been used its by the less obvious riders, like to help a sprinter to get through a mountain stage to stay fresh for the flatter stages rather than a GC rider with all eyes on him
In the Frome era the UCI did check the frames for motors. So how would they hide it and the batteries?
Bike changes. Are you simple?
@@sjaakbral83 They use infrared cameras.
@@StarAD how would that help if the motor is in another bike? Are you people truly simple? What do you think bike changes mean?
@@sjaakbral83 wow, you’re rude. Didn’t the UCI check the spare bikes also? Otherwise what’s the point?
@@sjaakbral83you are so clever and uci is so stupid...... Get a life clown.
Correct, are Shimano parts really that bad?
how does he not see Boone slows right at the turn?
Boonen had the second fastest climbing time on De Muur that day
when landis rode away from the peloton on that 100km solo breakaway, that just screams motor. he never got up out of his seat. cadel evans said he redlined to try to keep up and landis still rode away from him. literally superhuman when he can sustain a wattage above another top pro's redline.
Come on that Cancellara clip is stupid, everyone knows when you blow up on cobbles, you stand up... thats not a sprint by Boonen, thats resignation,. Look at Sagans 2016 victory, he does exactly the same, while seated.
Heshedals spisning wheel is way more sus :)
Normally when you blow up, you sit down, but okay. But you can also look at the footage one week before at the E3, where Cancellara outaccelerates Boonen in the last corner right before the finish, or Paris Roubaix one week later where he makes a fool of the leading bunch. And that was not on the cobbles. That was on stretches where no one normally can make a difference unless the competition is much slower or exhausted, which was not the case in both instances.
@@bertvanhoofstat7700 not on a cobbled climb, because you are more efficient sitting down than standing, so when you blow up, its from the lactic acid build up mostly in the lateralis, when you stand up you switch to femoris, but it does not work as it does on tarmac, so - this is exactly what you see from Boonen, he can no longer maintain power while seated, so he must stand up - but standing up on cobbles is just a sign of resignation.
Check out Asgreen and Mvdp battling in 2022, they are not stating either!
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He also did 4 bike changes in E3 Harelbeke that year, no mechanicals
Tin foil someone?
Cancellara is almost a sure one!!
Yup….that’s why I choose to ignore anything he writes nowadays
Bullshit, show proof before you write someone's life work off like that.
@@ronc7743refer to the videos of Flanders and Roubaix attacks. There is your evidence.
@@ronc7743, read the history of cycling cheating. Watch some of Cancellara's performances.
Skepticism is reasonable and warranted.
@@ronc7743 Watch the videos of him dropping Boonen on the mur.
Inspect the winners (or maybe the top 5) bikes immediately post race. Problem solved/questions answered.
They did, at least in the Frome era onwards.
I say even better you have thermal imaging cameras throughout the course
What about the multitude of bike changes? It would be incredibly difficult to check ALL of the bikes. I don’t buy the theory, but some riders have been known to change bikes 4 or 5 times in a race.
They dont finish on the bike with the motor .
Lemond is the only clean cyclist ever. No, the only clean athlete. So glad he is here to remind us. Yay iron injections!
Lmao u really believe that??
@@MaxRothFitness Yes! He says he is the only clean cyclist ever, so I believe him! Plus, he beat so many dopers, so he is my hero.
@@MaxRothFitnesslook up “sarcasm”…
The guy who bought an ex team frame said modifications were made on the rear stays that couldn't be explained..... funny how none were sold or passed on after, being crushed for 'safety reasons'...
No one is efficient up a climb at 110cadence?? Can someone clarify? Just because it’s too fast a cadence that’s rhetorical power won’t follow?
Greg said they have studied the issue and all the best fastest climbers pedal at 103 rpm’s or whatever the number is.
No one has ever climbed fast at 110rpms. Never
@@PInk77W1 there are so many factors at play here. First, if you are accelerating up a climb with the chain under tension you are bound to have a rising cadence because if you changed gear at that moment you would have a terrible gear change. So yeah temporarily your cadence must go up. Then at the time Froome was the only rider using Osymetric chainrings, it can have a huge impact on pedaling style since there's an easier gearing during the dead zone phase of the pedaling. I'm using oval chainrings but I think Osymetric are just similar in this regard. Then there's of course the individual variation. Froome was known to climb seated a lot of the time. It's normal to have a slower cadence when you're pedaling out of the saddle, so Froome's average is higher simply because he's not going out of the saddle that often. I could go on, all I can say is that when I'm doing a pyramidal test, when I'm about to fail my cadence is highest because I'm not a powerful cyclist so I rely more on my velocity rather than my force. All that said I'm sure Froome and Sky used motors, his vuelta win was very suspicious
@@xGshikamaru, it was the seated ATTACKS that were suspicious to me with respect to Froome.
Yeah, sadly, I think he and Sky used motors occasionally to help.
EPO came in during the 80's, not the 90's.
Greg knows this as his relationship with Yvan Van Mol showed. You watch that first TT in the 89 Tour and watch him be a minute down towards the end of the TT to bringing that back and winning it and still getting off his bike like he just finished warming up...
... his comeback at the end of the Giro that year is just as unbelievable.
Vitamin B12 Greg said. Sure. And I was a kid at the time with a red and white frame like his Bottechia with the Brancale shoes.
Aero bars that no one else used.
1990. 100% aero bars
@@PInk77W1 If it was all aerobars, he wouldn't have been a minute down towards the end of the first long TT and then came back - he would have been up all along. That did he though, absolutely.
But to go from utterly being shelled out the back in April to winning the Tour like that in July, it's more than aerobars and luck.
@@Swampster70
Lemond was more than aerobars
3rd in his first tour ever
2nd in his 2nd tour ever
Only because he was told to slow down.
1st in his 3rd tour ever.
All with no aero advantage
@@PInk77W1 That's all true - but there's a little thing called being shot with a shotgun because you relatives thought you was a turkey and being peppered with lead shot that remained in your body. He was shot in early 87, attempted to return to racing in 88 and suffered tendonitis. A second surgery to remove a bowel obstruction lead LeMond to also have his appendix removed in 87 because he thought his team would fire him if the shooting accident required a second surgery. His results from 88 through the first half of 89 were dire at best.
Strangely a meeting with his soigneur and Van Mol during the Giro mystically produced a complete turn around of results with a great result in the final TT of the Giro - a Giro that he finished over 54 minutes down in yet beat the winner Fignon by over a minute in the last TT with no tribars. That wasn't vitamin b12 or iron... It's like asking Froome to come back and put 5 minutes in Pogi after a few years from his best.
@@Swampster70
I thought he had aero bars in the giro TT.
The thing is he made a come back.
Lance didn’t even finish his first 3 or 4 tours
And then won 7 out of the blue.
Completely different than a comeback.
I could definitely imagine if your body is lo on iron and u solve that problem, you’d b like a new man. I was riding my bike across the USA east of Bakersfield CA and I could barely pedal
So bad I hitchhiked 36 Miles back to Bakersfield and went to a motel for 48hrs of rest. I looked at a map and saw Ridgecrest CA was 108 mi east of me and decided if I can’t make it to there tomorrow I’m done. I rode over the mountains like they were nothing and made it across the USA.
It never occurred to me that these bikes could have motors, but adding magnet drives or whatever would be easy;. Why aren't there stewards pulling part bikes in the same way as F1 and other top-end sport categories? To find these motors would be easy if stewards inspected bikes at the end of races, and/or when bikes are changed.
The idea is that it's done today with scanning equipment but it was seldom or never done in the past. Most certainly not in the day of Fabian "Motoring" Cancellara.
The issue here would be that F1 stewards have 20 cars to check, but the TdF has about 180 starters plus a bunch of spare bikes plus tons of spare parts. I don't think that's an easy task. Not impossible, but definitely different than F1...
@@fjungplan Yeah, on multiple 200km stages. It would be unworkable.
Keep going lemond.... good someone is talking about it.
Greg was a natural great biker!
The thing is having a hidden motor would be the easiest thing for the UCI to check and motors dont seem to be found so you have to assume its not an issue.
You'd think that if the UCI had a hunch that motors have been used in the past , that an inspection would be performed to every bike prior to racing 🤷♂
@@manchesterexplorer8519 , only if you believe that the UCI wants clean racing...
...but I don't think that's the case.
UCI aren't worried about cheating. Their job is to make sure bikes "look like proper bikes".
@@dclark142002 Much like how steroids in professional sports gets the blind eye , the industry wants records broken and stronger / faster players to keep the audience interested in the product.
Thermal imaging cameras throughout the race will catch the cheaters. I have a phone with thermal imaging built in that works rather well
Cancellara did not use a motor, Boonen was just cooked and used a wrong gear. The time cancellara did up there was fast but nothing crazy.
A motor that small giving out that much power still hasn’t come to commercialization all these years later. It did not happen. The noise alone would be so apparent.
Yeah they have. A female cyclo cross rider was caught with a motor in her bike. Anyone who thinks motors weren't used in the pro peleton is deluded. Cancellara was clearly using one, same for Contador. Also the noise they make is minimal and no chance you'd would hear it when in the middle of a pro race.
Femke van den Driessche was caught using a motor in the 2016 World Cyclo cross championship. The UCI took this issue seriously enough to use X-ray machines to test bikes. I also watched Cancellara attack Boonen live that day on the Tour of Flanders, it was “out of this world”
It’s electrical motors, Battery powered. Which gives pure torque.
Been commercially available for a decade...
@@alan_davis where do y put buy? How much wattage and torque? Price?
First of all, there aren't 5 or 6 bike changes in a stage. He is also ignoring the fact they now use disc brakes and thru axles. Wheel changes take longer, so they change out the bike most of the time.
Did Cancellara switch on a motor? Or did he just use an electronic gear shifter? Similar flick of the fingers.
Shimano released the Di2 in 2009. The contested races were in 2010, but at that time the technology was only starting to appear in the pro peleton. I looked at the footage and judging on the number of cables going from the steer to the frame, I think it is safe to assume Cancellara drove a mechanical gear train.
A motor is something that's so easy to check for. Why weren't bikes being checked?
I'm betting on Chris Froome being an early adopter of ketones and a late adopter of salbutamol.
Nice guess!
Why are the bikes not inspected???
Now they get inspected. So no more motors now. But there was a time when no one knew or believed it was possible to hide a motor in a bikeframe.
that's what all the bike swaps were about, so they would start and finish on bikes that could pass inspection
Interesting that races are faster now without the motors 🤔
Greg has been demonized for speaking the truth - a hero!
Wow, given the electrical power needed to generate 10-20kph on the road, would require a significant energy source and power supply. And as all bikes are weighed, as observed by a great many people who delight in watching this happen, noting the different weights and specs. Given, also, that there isn't presently any system that can turbo-charge a performance yet be small and light enough to remain hidden. Unless of course, no doesn't bear thinking about. It could not be, it just couldn't. Did Spartacus travel into the future, buy all the tech he could and return just in time to win Roubaix? I've said it before and I'll say it again, wow.
Anthony, I per recent Podcast with Bottas... I find it engaging to see athletes in other specialities of life discover cycling. You can truly see Bottas' epiphany! I 'spose that's as I came to cycling later in life after a long "career" in the gym.
Interestingly, I know a LOT of people who were bodybuilders or related for 20 years plus and became hard core cyclists. That's me... now, I still lift a LOT but I ride a lot too... and take both damn seriously. And of course, I have a belief I know why there's a high crossover between Strength Training and Cycling....
Top 20 finishers should have their bikes inspected.
Why isn't there an impound of winner's bike after a race - like NASCAR?
So...why not impound the bikes at the finish line for tech inspection before the award ceremony like parc ferme for F1? Simple, unless the regulating authorities are in on the fix.
As teenagers my mates and I raced road and velodrome for a few years. We got into it because of the drugs but gave up when we realised we had to provide our own. We still make jokes watching le tour about where the batteries are hidden, and why they swap bikes just before a climb? Cheers to Eddie Merckz, happy cycling.
Doping was there decades before, during and after Le Mond
And hes clean come on!!!!
'why do you care' was a great question!
I would imagine when you put your life into a sport, you want to preserve the integrity of it.
surely independent regulators should limit bike changes and pre check every bike used. you can uniquely electronically tag bikes. its v simple guys.
So now actual evidence then?
Why wouldn't they inspect bikes before and after races, almost like car racing?
Can't believe this dude still claims full natty brah status
Did Greg race clean? We may never know.
Greg LeGend
Love a bit of GL! What a legend
Hungarian inventor who made first hidden motor got 2M dollars for exclusive use from the guys close to dr. Ferrari...part of the deal was not to talk about it.
Is Greg’s attitude that he was the best ever and last honest cyclist now ?
There's no dirty sport... Only dirty people.
Doping control was on to him and he crashed to throw them off the trail the guy hasn't been anywhere near close to his old form for one reason. He was a doper it is not available ven a question
You’re talking about Froome? Why would he try to kill himself to avoid doping controls. What super new testing do you think he was about to face that he was worried about?
Personally, I think Froome was never all that special...it was Sky that was special.
Froome was only ever good with Team Sky. Once he had the crash, Sky moved on to the next guy...and Froome reverted to his normal decidedly average self.
LeMond was the last clean cyclist to win the Tour for decades possibly to present. Miguel Indurain was probably the 1st in a long line using EPO to win the Tour.
Oh, right, and you know this how precisely?
IMO, Greg has a lot of opinion on current riders. Hard to believe ANYONE was natural back then or now
Shouldn’t be allowed to change bikes once you’ve started the stage. In golf you can’t change the type of ball you’re using once you’ve teed off.
Gimme a break, you guys cheat by changing clubs for each shot.
Watching cycling as a fan is hard; I constantly consider cheating and wonder if a win is legitimate.
Why would the Sky teams bikes be so much heavier than the competition when they want them as light as possible?...motors
They all are which is fine
Why the assembly of the bike starting from the naked frame isn't shot on camera as a pre-racing routine?
Not only it would be interesting to the spectators as a warm-up show, it would as well eliminate possibilites for any cheating.
That would be unworkable.
Sparticus definitly a motor, just look at his legs & pedel stroke, thay are not even straining compared to Boonen's.
Battery tech 13 years ago was nowhere near developed enough to provide any benefit.
Motor 100%, made Boonen look like an weekender. The would have prepared using similar methods. Cancellara nearly had his arms ripped off when he hit go. @@philscott1105
@philipekerin122......I am a big 'Spartacus' [Fabian Cancellara] fan - but have to admit, I am extremely suspicious about his performances during that period. Not just the way he effortlessly dropped Boonen in the Tour of Flanders - but even more so in the 2010 Paris-Roubaix.
I remember Boonen being interviewed after the P-R and saying that Cancellara didn't really attack - he just rode away from the group. And this was an extremely strong group that contained top quality riders like Chavanel, O'Grady, Pozzato, Hincapie, Juan Antonio Fleche, Lars Boom and Boonen himself.
Boonen said that at first, the group didn't really react as there was still 50k's to go. But as the gap grew, they started working to bring Spartacus back. In fact, they were doing over 55kph's - but Cancellara was still going away! By the end of the race Spartacus won by over 4 minutes! That's simply unbelievable and too good to be true.
Spot on! & they all prepare the same way@@thesoultwins72
@@philscott1105Lithium ion batteries have been around since the eighties, Sony invented them for their camcorders
Check the weight of the bikes very telling
HIghly sceptical. Have you any idea the number of people who would have to be in on this without being detected? The component manufacturers, the bike manufacturer, plus all the administrators, riders and engineers in the team. And no-one has ever talked? And all the officials have been taken in for decades? And no-one ever noticed those switches that you claim the riders are using? Doesn't pass the smell test. Plus is this technology even possible? Electric bikes are HEAVY, and they don't generate the kind of power that this would need. Even if they could provide, say, 10 mins of power to create a breakaway, you still have to lug all that mass up the climb to the finish.
Hidden motors have been commercially available for 10 years. People have been busted for using them in UCI events...
Froome doped like crazy but SKY always protected him with their money.
Greg has had it out for Froome since the get go! He thinks that he is the cycling Don who calls all the shots, it's a bit tiring!
This is what happens when: flat earth is too mainstream for you.
Its hard to prove but you can see the difference motor vs human.
"I'm a sceptic on everything" - The motto of conspiracy theorists like flat earthers and antivaxxers.
"Nobody is efficient at a 110rpm up a climb. Ever" - Shows how much Greg know about cycling in the 21st century.
Meanwhile we have a president of the USA who believes if u cut the thing off a boy he is a girl. Flat earthers and antibaxxers look brilliant all of a sudden