Excellent work Alex, very well explained and demonstrated. If the causality could not be lowered down from there, how would you move back with the dummy? ( meaning that there is something directly below the injured person) Thank you, Jim H.
Thanks again Jim. I will spoil a few video's for you 😉 If I was alone: 1: Rig a set of ropes at the access point, take with me bottom strands with, rig 2nd set of rope at casualty and tie in myself I'd and ASAP, get casualty out onto me, lower us down and rope to rope transfer to te access point. 2: Use two Grillons and cowstail to move the CS along the aid climb while aid climbing along to the access point Of course there are more ways to skin this cat😉
Hi Alex, what are the issues with having the ASAP follow the load instead of remaining at the anchor point next to you? Is it because it could snag/catch and you are not next to the load to manage it? Thank you.
Thank you for your question. Yes, that is exactly the idea. If the ASAP would snag and lock up (or if, for instance, the CS wakes up and panics), you would have to lift the load back up or figure something else out. Keeping the asap with us, gives us complete control at all times.
Nice demo, question though: How is it possible to lower him on an ASAP as his backup when the backup line runs freely through a karabiner? If his primary failed and his backup locked off, the only thing stopping him from the fastest route to the floor is your hand on his backup line? Or am I mistaken here
Per Petzl user instructions, you need to run the rope through an extra biner when using it upside down. That way the rope feeds through the asap properly. As to your question, I dont understand it. If his primary fails and his backup locks then that backup is what prevents him from falling. My hands dont really do anything. Everything works as it supposed to
@@TheRopeAccessChannel ignore me, I’m being stupid and for some reason my brain ignored the fact that the asap is attached directly into an anchor point. Total brain fart and an embarrassing mistake on my behalf, apologies! 😂
Can any of the devices like the RIG, ID, etc be used to replace a Gri-Gri? I guess the one thing I’m not sure that they can handle or not would be belaying (both “top rope” and “lead” styles)?
I view those as completely different devices. One is for belaying and sports climbing, the others are for rope access and descenders. Can they.. yes. Should you.. I think not. It is all in the documentation on the manufacturers sites. For instance, the new I'd is EN15151-1 with EN1891 or EN 892 rope, 10-11mm. That should tell you can belay a leadclimber. They even show you in the manual. I just don't see why you would. Thats a thick rope to be climbing around with isn't it?
i am assuming a haul trac is some sort of Set Of Fours pulley system configuration? Although those systems are great, they are expensive and they take up quite a bit of height. And space on the harness. I like to teach the very basics first. It is better to teach one trick that can be used with gear always on the harness and in multiple situations. This same trick will get you out of any other rescue as well. A short link rescue with a Haul Trac (if i am right in my assumption) has some limitations in a rescue like that. That said, if you prepare a job and add a SOF in a rescue set with people trained in using it, it will make a rescue quicker. And in training we have so much stuff to learn in only 4 days so a basic counterbalance will have to do. I will get into the SOF and it’s uses in the future.
Could we see a version where the casualty needs to go back down the way they came up? There is, maybe, an obstruction or hazard directly under the casualty; which is what would necessitate the aide climb?
Great video! Any video suggestions for challenging IRATA 2 Course directly? I've got enough hours of climbing experience, rope rescue, and rigging work but haven't done IRATA 1.
Typo on the question mark or are you asking me? 😜. A bowline would work too, although I think a barrelknot is a little smaller. But it is splitting hairs. Let me rephrase, it is faster "for me" to tie a barrel than trying to adjust a bowline this small. Unfortunately under IRATA we are not "allowed" to use a bowline. Even though I think it is one of the best knots out there with all the variations. For now I am sticking to a progression following an IRATA course. Later in the year I want to enlarge the "knots playlist" with bowlines, clove hitch and a few others. So if you have any suggestions, I am open to those👊🏻
Excellent work Alex, very well explained and demonstrated. If the causality could not be lowered down from there, how would you move back with the dummy? ( meaning that there is something directly below the injured person) Thank you, Jim H.
Thanks again Jim. I will spoil a few video's for you 😉
If I was alone:
1: Rig a set of ropes at the access point, take with me bottom strands with, rig 2nd set of rope at casualty and tie in myself I'd and ASAP, get casualty out onto me, lower us down and rope to rope transfer to te access point.
2: Use two Grillons and cowstail to move the CS along the aid climb while aid climbing along to the access point
Of course there are more ways to skin this cat😉
@@TheRopeAccessChannel I love this explanation, I would love to try it, and I can hardly wait for the video. Jim
Hi Alex, what are the issues with having the ASAP follow the load instead of remaining at the anchor point next to you? Is it because it could snag/catch and you are not next to the load to manage it? Thank you.
Thank you for your question.
Yes, that is exactly the idea. If the ASAP would snag and lock up (or if, for instance, the CS wakes up and panics), you would have to lift the load back up or figure something else out. Keeping the asap with us, gives us complete control at all times.
Beautiful work 👏👏
Great info Alex! never enough barrel knots
Thanks Ap 😃😃😃👊🏻
Yes sir... I should have clarified a type of SOF.
Perfect thank you
Nice demo, question though: How is it possible to lower him on an ASAP as his backup when the backup line runs freely through a karabiner? If his primary failed and his backup locked off, the only thing stopping him from the fastest route to the floor is your hand on his backup line? Or am I mistaken here
Per Petzl user instructions, you need to run the rope through an extra biner when using it upside down. That way the rope feeds through the asap properly.
As to your question, I dont understand it. If his primary fails and his backup locks then that backup is what prevents him from falling. My hands dont really do anything. Everything works as it supposed to
@@TheRopeAccessChannel ignore me, I’m being stupid and for some reason my brain ignored the fact that the asap is attached directly into an anchor point. Total brain fart and an embarrassing mistake on my behalf, apologies! 😂
Hahaha no worries 👍🏼👍🏼
Can any of the devices like the RIG, ID, etc be used to replace a Gri-Gri? I guess the one thing I’m not sure that they can handle or not would be belaying (both “top rope” and “lead” styles)?
I view those as completely different devices. One is for belaying and sports climbing, the others are for rope access and descenders. Can they.. yes. Should you.. I think not. It is all in the documentation on the manufacturers sites. For instance, the new I'd is EN15151-1 with EN1891 or EN 892 rope, 10-11mm. That should tell you can belay a leadclimber. They even show you in the manual. I just don't see why you would. Thats a thick rope to be climbing around with isn't it?
This Video helped me a lot, thank you Alex !
Glad to hear it! Thank you🙏🏼
Good demo... In our area, we would use a Haul-Trac to lift and transfer weight for the lower. Perhaps a little simpler.
i am assuming a haul trac is some sort of Set Of Fours pulley system configuration?
Although those systems are great, they are expensive and they take up quite a bit of height. And space on the harness. I like to teach the very basics first. It is better to teach one trick that can be used with gear always on the harness and in multiple situations. This same trick will get you out of any other rescue as well. A short link rescue with a Haul Trac (if i am right in my assumption) has some limitations in a rescue like that.
That said, if you prepare a job and add a SOF in a rescue set with people trained in using it, it will make a rescue quicker. And in training we have so much stuff to learn in only 4 days so a basic counterbalance will have to do. I will get into the SOF and it’s uses in the future.
Could we see a version where the casualty needs to go back down the way they came up? There is, maybe, an obstruction or hazard directly under the casualty; which is what would necessitate the aide climb?
So you would like to see how to aid climb back with a casualty? Or how we would do it on an over water situation where we would have a three man team?
@@TheRopeAccessChannel that would be nice to see; I’ve never seen it done
2 barrel knots work just fine for me.
Perfect👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you
My pleasure🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Dear sir thank you for information 🙏
Most welcome
nice work
🙏🏻🙏🏻 thanks man!
Beautifully presented alex
Glad you liked it!🙏🏼
good videos
Thanks Kevin🙏🏼🙏🏼😃
Perfect Video
Thanks 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Great video! Any video suggestions for challenging IRATA 2 Course directly?
I've got enough hours of climbing experience, rope rescue, and rigging work but haven't done IRATA 1.
Not really. In most countries you can not do a direct entry any more. You would have to check the IRATA.org website for that information
Another great video? I’d probably use a bowline with Yosemite finish instead of a barrel but that’s just personal preference.
Typo on the question mark or are you asking me? 😜.
A bowline would work too, although I think a barrelknot is a little smaller. But it is splitting hairs. Let me rephrase, it is faster "for me" to tie a barrel than trying to adjust a bowline this small.
Unfortunately under IRATA we are not "allowed" to use a bowline. Even though I think it is one of the best knots out there with all the variations. For now I am sticking to a progression following an IRATA course. Later in the year I want to enlarge the "knots playlist" with bowlines, clove hitch and a few others. So if you have any suggestions, I am open to those👊🏻
@@TheRopeAccessChannel ? and ! are too close. The reason for the barrel makes perfect sense to me.
Haha, thats what I thought 😉👊🏻