Hello, I just found your channel. You are really awesome in the way you instruct, Thank you. I live in Oregon, USA, and I teach aerial rescue like this. I will now watch each one of your videos. I really like the way you explain your answers in the comments below. Rescue training is critical to staying safe. Jim H.
Awesome! Thank you! And welcome to the channel 😃.I appreciate you reaching out and I think I have seen your name pop up here and there on FB groups. I might be mistaken though. As I have said in the "Welcome to the channel" video, I really value a good conversation where we can accept different methods. If we can communicate openly everyone can learn and evolve into better rope techs. So if you have any different techniques or thought processes on subjects, please leave a comment and let me and the viewers/readers know.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel I just watched your level one video ( the simple one) and you mentioned this one. We had to perform this rescue here, (this video) at a 3-day AR training course. Except we had to climb up the dummy's main line only, We had a backup on, as well as the dummy, had a backup, except, the dummy's backup was too short to reach the ground. This was the scenario we were given and had to handle. There were two SPRAT Inspectors there enforcing the rule. This whole test was for arborists, there were quite a few rope access techs there as well judging the whole event, I learned so much about how to improvise and rig for rescue ( because the injured person did not plan ahead and have an access line in place) Jim H.
Great technique, I like the attention to detail with connecting the cow tail to the casualty's sternum and making sure any slack in the hard link is minimised. Primo casualty management. 👌🏼
Hey Alex, thanks for the wonderful demo and your efforts in making rope access videos! I always explore different rope access channels from all over the world and learn from everybody. I learned from another channel that it is a good practice put the hand ascender above your ASAP when doing counter balancing because in the case where the suspension height is long like 20metre or more from the anchor, the release in rope stretch will pull the hand ascender upward as the casualties weight is transfer out of the rope, jamming your asap. In the worst case you may end up hanging your weight completely on the ASAP with the casualty. Anyway it's just my 2 cents :)
And you are absolutely right about that. And that is a subject of different video. We never train with rope stretch and out in the filed that can really mess things up. I should have mentioned that😖. Although, solving a stuck asap on a jammer in that situation is easy and only takes 30 seconds 😉. Still preventing is better than solving! If rope stretch would be a possible issue I would change the casualty over to their descender first and then perform a basic rescue. That is if we are using only basic gear 😉. Thank you for your comment🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thanks 😃. I have one planned to film in the next time I am going to film. The thing is though, there is no ONE rescue bag. Some situations require different gear.. It already starts at "are we rescue to the top or to the bottom. And then, is it rope rescue based or rope access based. The latter requires far less gear and in some rope access jobs not even a specialised bag. But I think there is a sort of basic bag that could be build upon.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel I figure it'll be a dynamic thing depending on the rescue but will have some foundation pieces hence the question. Have binge-watched the IRATA 1,2,3 and just finishing up Grimpday 2022, cracking stuff.
Nicely made video, nice presentation. However, I do think we should be teaching the foot loop technique as a ‘less preferable’ option compared to using a rated point such as building a 3:1 or using something like a grillon, for example. If the foot loop breaks, or the rescuer looses balance, the casualty can potentially fall back on to their own chest ascender or onto the short connection. For the same reason, I think it’s important to not connect to the casualty until they are free from their chest ascender. If the rescuers main line fails and the short link is connected, there is a high possibility (depending on back up type and position) that the weight of the casualty could be applied to the chest ascender of the casualty, potentially resulting in failure of the remaining rope. A basic 3:1 can be made with a level 1 kit, so there’s no reason this shouldn’t be a viable option.
Thank you for your comment 🙏🏼. I really appreciate it! On one hand you raise a valid point, on the other I get these things popping up, hear me out: 1 If the rescuer would loose balance nothing really shocking would happen. Both people would just sit back down. Maybe in a slightly uncontrolled fashion. Nothing serious though because people try to hold on and make it as controlled as possible. In over a decade of teaching rope access courses I have literally never seen anything remotely bad happen in this exercise. 2 If you are afraid of your footloop breaking, do you need to climb with two? Or would you feel safe using a 120cm soft sling? And if it would happen, the sit back in the Croll will be just as bad as some lazy ass rope techs falling back instead of sitting back when ascending the rope. And if after all that the rope would indeed break there are backups in place right? That's what they are there for. No need to backup the backup. 3 Falling back on the short connection although not favorable is not a big deal and comparable of someone crossloading a descender biner that suddenly flips right side up with a casualty suspended from it. Scary, yes maybe, serious no. Happens every training at least once. The biner flip that is. Not the falling into a short connection cause again in over a decade, nothing like that has ever happened (my trainings). I have heard of footloops breaking in shortlink rescues. However no injuries sustained. This is not the end all of croll rescue video's. Rather it is something to build on for later exercises. Also for the short link rescue, rescue from fall arrest or aid climb rescue. Like I said in the Update video from yesterday (bit.ly/39O62RL) using extra equipment like a set of fours or a Grillon is all beautiful and when all best laid plans fail it is essential that rope techs know how to perform all the exercises with a minimum of gear. Your other point on connecting as late as possible in the process is also a very valid one. Like you say, backup device and backup device management are also key here. Would you go onto the casualties rope if you had any doubts about their state? Probably not, so anything happening to them is as likely as in any normal day. And like I said, it is still a valid point form you where my personal opinion is that the 30 seconds it takes to perform this outweighs all those risks you mention. Only if you perform like I have though. ASAP high, only a 5 cm raise (or shorter) and the short connection as tight as possible so the sitback is a bit more than 5 cm. Connecting later in this method is not really possible. In other methods it is and then we DO connect later. If you would ever have to perform this with 100 meters of rope stretch you would probably change your casualty over to their descender first and these things are not an issue. But.. This video is to explain the basics of a croll rescue. The first building stone of different advanced rescues. Thanks again for this good comment where you did challenge my thought process. Am I getting old, or rather, am I stuck in my ways? I like to think not and if IRATA makes a statement or the assessors start commenting on this method I will be the first to change it. (like the double rigging plate.........) I do not know of any trainers who teach it different (I only know a few so this might be a completely stupid point). I genuinely think that the chances of things you mention happening AND resulting in some sort of injury are so low that this method is a perfectly fine one. For now... Have a good one, STAY CONNECTED
I think in case of croll and shortlink - it’s still better fall in shortlink then to croll (my opinion) as you should avoid any potential fall in tooth devices. If you don’t connect shortlink and you forget to pinch sling/prusik/footloop what ever casualty will fall lower and you may not be able reach his sternal Dring to connect with shortlink.
@@brianbodnar3969 I recently found out I did not get notifications of replies on replies. So I missed yours. I agree it is better to fall in the shortlink than croll. I also agree that using extra gear to lift the casualty out might be preferable. And like I said, basics first. Besides, if you forget the short connection than the long connection does it’s job and saves the CS right 😜
Next time try using some prussic and tie a clove hitch on the gate, down through the casualtys D and up through the anchor. Use your handjammer on that set up with your foot loop to snatch the casualty. When you snatch the casualty that set up opens the carabiner and rolls it out in one move.
I don’t see what you mean. How to incorporate that into a basic croll rescue. What you described works on a short link rescue. I try and keep it simple, let’s just start with the most basic counterbalance version before going into party tricks. The counterbalance is useful in many other applications as well.
How is it if the person who rescues is significantly less than the person to be rescued, is there a technique or does it work exactly like that without problems
It is technique. Or equipment depending on the preparation. With my 77 kg I can fairly easily manage it with a 115kg dude with this technique for te video
Hi, i would make this video much shorter. If you use separate ropes than you victim, you can directly ascend above and start the weight transfer, using just one pulley, you can get him of his ascender, with the help of your weight,while he is attached in two points! And start descending.All under 3 minutes!
Sure you can. It can be even done in 45 seconds. I have a real out on that one. However one of the basic exercises an IRATA L2 needs to be able to do is ascend from the bottom up on the same set of ropes. That is who this video is for.
Hello, I just found your channel. You are really awesome in the way you instruct, Thank you. I live in Oregon, USA, and I teach aerial rescue like this. I will now watch each one of your videos. I really like the way you explain your answers in the comments below. Rescue training is critical to staying safe. Jim H.
Awesome! Thank you! And welcome to the channel 😃.I appreciate you reaching out and I think I have seen your name pop up here and there on FB groups. I might be mistaken though.
As I have said in the "Welcome to the channel" video, I really value a good conversation where we can accept different methods. If we can communicate openly everyone can learn and evolve into better rope techs. So if you have any different techniques or thought processes on subjects, please leave a comment and let me and the viewers/readers know.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel I just watched your level one video ( the simple one) and you mentioned this one. We had to perform this rescue here, (this video) at a 3-day AR training course. Except we had to climb up the dummy's main line only, We had a backup on, as well as the dummy, had a backup, except, the dummy's backup was too short to reach the ground. This was the scenario we were given and had to handle. There were two SPRAT Inspectors there enforcing the rule. This whole test was for arborists, there were quite a few rope access techs there as well judging the whole event, I learned so much about how to improvise and rig for rescue ( because the injured person did not plan ahead and have an access line in place) Jim H.
Great technique, I like the attention to detail with connecting the cow tail to the casualty's sternum and making sure any slack in the hard link is minimised. Primo casualty management. 👌🏼
Thanks Simon🙏🏻🙏🏻
Hey Alex, thanks for the wonderful demo and your efforts in making rope access videos! I always explore different rope access channels from all over the world and learn from everybody. I learned from another channel that it is a good practice put the hand ascender above your ASAP when doing counter balancing because in the case where the suspension height is long like 20metre or more from the anchor, the release in rope stretch will pull the hand ascender upward as the casualties weight is transfer out of the rope, jamming your asap. In the worst case you may end up hanging your weight completely on the ASAP with the casualty. Anyway it's just my 2 cents :)
And you are absolutely right about that. And that is a subject of different video. We never train with rope stretch and out in the filed that can really mess things up. I should have mentioned that😖.
Although, solving a stuck asap on a jammer in that situation is easy and only takes 30 seconds 😉. Still preventing is better than solving!
If rope stretch would be a possible issue I would change the casualty over to their descender first and then perform a basic rescue. That is if we are using only basic gear 😉.
Thank you for your comment🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Im a SPRAT technician. we do this rescue from ascent different than this. This is very interesting
Hello sir very good job 👍
Very good job sir 👍
So nice of you
Nice and clear! 🔥
Thanks
Happy to help! Thank you 😃😃😃
Love the content, yet to do any IRATA training, found the kit video helpful, could we get a 'rescue bag' drill down, what you use and why?
Thanks 😃. I have one planned to film in the next time I am going to film. The thing is though, there is no ONE rescue bag. Some situations require different gear.. It already starts at "are we rescue to the top or to the bottom. And then, is it rope rescue based or rope access based. The latter requires far less gear and in some rope access jobs not even a specialised bag. But I think there is a sort of basic bag that could be build upon.
@@TheRopeAccessChannel I figure it'll be a dynamic thing depending on the rescue but will have some foundation pieces hence the question. Have binge-watched the IRATA 1,2,3 and just finishing up Grimpday 2022, cracking stuff.
Hi,
at 7:01,you mean ASAP to stay locked or unlocked?
Unlocked. Always check that before descending
Nicely made video, nice presentation. However, I do think we should be teaching the foot loop technique as a ‘less preferable’ option compared to using a rated point such as building a 3:1 or using something like a grillon, for example. If the foot loop breaks, or the rescuer looses balance, the casualty can potentially fall back on to their own chest ascender or onto the short connection.
For the same reason, I think it’s important to not connect to the casualty until they are free from their chest ascender. If the rescuers main line fails and the short link is connected, there is a high possibility (depending on back up type and position) that the weight of the casualty could be applied to the chest ascender of the casualty, potentially resulting in failure of the remaining rope. A basic 3:1 can be made with a level 1 kit, so there’s no reason this shouldn’t be a viable option.
Thank you for your comment 🙏🏼. I really appreciate it!
On one hand you raise a valid point, on the other I get these things popping up, hear me out:
1 If the rescuer would loose balance nothing really shocking would happen. Both people would just sit back down. Maybe in a slightly uncontrolled fashion. Nothing serious though because people try to hold on and make it as controlled as possible. In over a decade of teaching rope access courses I have literally never seen anything remotely bad happen in this exercise.
2 If you are afraid of your footloop breaking, do you need to climb with two? Or would you feel safe using a 120cm soft sling? And if it would happen, the sit back in the Croll will be just as bad as some lazy ass rope techs falling back instead of sitting back when ascending the rope. And if after all that the rope would indeed break there are backups in place right? That's what they are there for. No need to backup the backup.
3 Falling back on the short connection although not favorable is not a big deal and comparable of someone crossloading a descender biner that suddenly flips right side up with a casualty suspended from it. Scary, yes maybe, serious no. Happens every training at least once. The biner flip that is. Not the falling into a short connection cause again in over a decade, nothing like that has ever happened (my trainings). I have heard of footloops breaking in shortlink rescues. However no injuries sustained.
This is not the end all of croll rescue video's. Rather it is something to build on for later exercises. Also for the short link rescue, rescue from fall arrest or aid climb rescue. Like I said in the Update video from yesterday (bit.ly/39O62RL) using extra equipment like a set of fours or a Grillon is all beautiful and when all best laid plans fail it is essential that rope techs know how to perform all the exercises with a minimum of gear.
Your other point on connecting as late as possible in the process is also a very valid one. Like you say, backup device and backup device management are also key here. Would you go onto the casualties rope if you had any doubts about their state? Probably not, so anything happening to them is as likely as in any normal day. And like I said, it is still a valid point form you where my personal opinion is that the 30 seconds it takes to perform this outweighs all those risks you mention. Only if you perform like I have though. ASAP high, only a 5 cm raise (or shorter) and the short connection as tight as possible so the sitback is a bit more than 5 cm.
Connecting later in this method is not really possible. In other methods it is and then we DO connect later.
If you would ever have to perform this with 100 meters of rope stretch you would probably change your casualty over to their descender first and these things are not an issue. But.. This video is to explain the basics of a croll rescue. The first building stone of different advanced rescues.
Thanks again for this good comment where you did challenge my thought process. Am I getting old, or rather, am I stuck in my ways?
I like to think not and if IRATA makes a statement or the assessors start commenting on this method I will be the first to change it. (like the double rigging plate.........)
I do not know of any trainers who teach it different (I only know a few so this might be a completely stupid point). I genuinely think that the chances of things you mention happening AND resulting in some sort of injury are so low that this method is a perfectly fine one. For now...
Have a good one, STAY CONNECTED
I think in case of croll and shortlink - it’s still better fall in shortlink then to croll (my opinion) as you should avoid any potential fall in tooth devices.
If you don’t connect shortlink and you forget to pinch sling/prusik/footloop what ever casualty will fall lower and you may not be able reach his sternal Dring to connect with shortlink.
@@brianbodnar3969 I recently found out I did not get notifications of replies on replies. So I missed yours.
I agree it is better to fall in the shortlink than croll.
I also agree that using extra gear to lift the casualty out might be preferable. And like I said, basics first. Besides, if you forget the short connection than the long connection does it’s job and saves the CS right 😜
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Well said. Jim
@@aerialrescuesolutions3277 thanks 🙏🏻
Hi
Do you have the video of rescuing the casualty in Travers?
Tnx
What do you mean traverse? Like a horizontal aid climb?
@@TheRopeAccessChannel maybe. I can't find video about the horizontal rescue in your page.
@@mehdiarzhangi If you mean Aid climb rescue than this is one way of doing it:
th-cam.com/video/sgORFItziVQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bYG4x63uehzgOZWN
Next time try using some prussic and tie a clove hitch on the gate, down through the casualtys D and up through the anchor. Use your handjammer on that set up with your foot loop to snatch the casualty. When you snatch the casualty that set up opens the carabiner and rolls it out in one move.
I don’t see what you mean. How to incorporate that into a basic croll rescue. What you described works on a short link rescue. I try and keep it simple, let’s just start with the most basic counterbalance version before going into party tricks. The counterbalance is useful in many other applications as well.
Don't know why but this comment was not meant for this video, I posted it on another one I was watching.
@@GarsonLilley weird haha.
Hello. What dogbone are you using for your rescue set? Thank you
I don't know of the top of my head. Probably a Petzl one
How is it if the person who rescues is significantly less than the person to be rescued, is there a technique or does it work exactly like that without problems
It is technique. Or equipment depending on the preparation. With my 77 kg I can fairly easily manage it with a 115kg dude with this technique for te video
Hey I'm looking to get into offshore I do have a Irate level 1 but nothing els .what's a good course to look at and we're can I look for work
Hi Gerhard, I talk a little bit about it in this video:
th-cam.com/video/tZtlndZVpnY/w-d-xo.html
It should start at the right point
Hi, why you have a black rope on your back?
That is only to keep me from spinning and staying oriented towards the camera
Hi, i would make this video much shorter. If you use separate ropes than you victim, you can directly ascend above and start the weight transfer, using just one pulley, you can get him of his ascender, with the help of your weight,while he is attached in two points! And start descending.All under 3 minutes!
Well if you don't have time or the option to rig another set of ropes what do you expect??
Sure you can. It can be even done in 45 seconds. I have a real out on that one.
However one of the basic exercises an IRATA L2 needs to be able to do is ascend from the bottom up on the same set of ropes. That is who this video is for.
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