~TL Notes~ Pretty sure this is my first long solo Kanade clip. I like to split time between all of ReGLOSS and my Kanade time is usually spent on her karaoke. Less research to do as far as cultural references and idioms go compared to Raden. However, I know as much as the next person about business, so I had to look up information on sole proprietorship, independent contractors vs agents, self-employment, incorporation, etc. I don't know the specifics of their contracts or how different that is compared to American and other countries' businesses, so I kept it to a general "self-employed" instead of using the other terms.
Always appreciate when the talents get more introspective and offer a look behind the curtain like this. Certainly didn't expect it from Kanade of all people, but that just makes me appreciate her all the more. Thanks for the translation! Especially love the choice to translate "omaera" as "my chumps;" it suits how cheeky Kanade can get perfectly.
Tbh, even if you do get a degree, if you go multiple years of not applying what you learned there, you would forget a huge chunk of it anyway. Most companies would probably care more about your actual job experience and less than the degree itself after multiple years from graduating. Still, if she's already a good way into her degree, like maybe if she's more than half way through, there's a strong case of just finishing it.
While thats a reasonable take, remember that most East Asian education doesnt care about job relevance and more about the prestige of the university. If you study IT at an unknown local university, even with great grades, you might lose out to a Tokyo University student doing art history.
Besides the prolly, (nitpicking for English learners) these are perfect translations. That's rare! A lot of the big channels go too far with localizations or just completely hear/get things wrong and it makes me sad... Hope your channel gets huge!
It's actually not that bad. JP Post has their own bank and they give it to basically anyone. I live in Japan and the first bank I went to gave me an account without really any questions. As long as you've got a semi-permanent visa (i.e. work), they won't care. The bigger problem is probably that she's a contractor, with "unsteady" income.
Young Korean girl with lots of money and her job is "TH-camr." Of course they are denying it. Pewdiepie had problems too and he was the face of youtube.
well if you ask about your senpai's financial situation, they will just say that they are super rich at beginning of the year but broke at end because of spending on gacha and expensive MV lol
Have a sit down meeting with the school's academic counselor request special accommodations for part time and online classes to at least finish the degree. That way you get to walk away with something completed instead of nothing. Might take longer but whatever.
Damn, I didn't know kanade get real like this sometimes. Crazy unexpected, I rarely hear other members go into topics like this. Now I respect her even more. Thanks for the clip
@@velveteensallet949 my personal favorite is when Polka gets in these deep conversations, usually happens in her low energy mode, alot of wisdom in that wonderful Fennec
Even as a software engineer I have some of these thoughts about future prospects... I'm well past my prime and still moving on my own FIRE path but it's rational to think about your industry. It's not unreasonable to think about VTubing; lots of the non-Cover agencies are starting to show obvious signs of struggle or close outright, which isn't _great_ in boosting long term confidence. Then there's going back to college, and that's a coin toss tbh, depending on what she wants to do. (I've heard of the horror stories of getting even a debit card for your own money in Japan and it's kinda baffling, the States would never)
IRL facts below: Kanade IRL is 20 yo(born '04) native Korean, period. And she didn't do a good job hiding it, let alone not straight-up revealing it. What she did do a good job of hiding is her past life, but you can find that easily enough. She was an utaite from several years ago, at least from her middle school age. She even has TH-cam coverage when she won first place in Japanese song contest. In her high school period, she finally went into Vtubing career, which lasted only 2 months because her agency had gone bankrupt. Even had her original song composed by MikitoP. After her unfortunate debut and graduation, she seems to have decided to go to college to pursue more normal career while having auditions of Hololive, which is fairly common path for indie creators. Then the blessing of YAGOO came in, and after a year of pre-debut period we have Otonose Kanade we all know and love. She seemed to have had fairly good grades at school, according to her past utaite Twitter posts. That should be why she is more reluctant than others to give up college course. She had born in pretty strict family(you know, stereotype "Asian"), which would also have impacted her incline towards the idea of "normal" career. And she is literally having her first job which is virtual talent, not IRL singer or vocalist, even though her agency is one and only Hololive. The market is still too small and the future of the vtubing industry is not so clear. No way she is confident about her future. Especially for a 20-year-old girl.
Absolutely: I didn't know large bits of this, but if she's had experience with a failed agency then that's going to cause doubts no matter how strong Cover is. Combine that with how the pandemic boom is over, and later generations like ReGLOSS are already experiencing slower growth, these are good questions to consider. However, this is her shot. If she wants to do something like this, she knows this is it - it doesn't get better than Cover and Hololive. Cover is still steadily growing. Her seniors are (rightfully) cautious, but they also never thought Hololive would survive more than a year at the start - no one knows how things will turn out. And realistically, the Holo girls are a lot closer to FIRE than most of us. Ideally, she'd get to finish her degree slowly while active like Haachama did... but her university being in Korea is a major wrench in the works. She'd either have to transfer, study remotely, or go back. All of which have major question marks and would heavily impact her streaming.
She's experiencing the reality of being self-employed as a foreigner in Japan. COVER could technically help and provide all these official information, but because the talents are considered "contractors" and not "employees", this is out of their hands (intentional risk hedging in COVER i suppose). If they were more like the GeeXPlus talents, they would be directly hired under GeeXPlus and be directly employed by a Japanese company, which makes it much easier for them to do administrative stuff in Japan, but unfortunately that is not the case for them. I hope the other talents help her out, or that she gets the courage to ask around the EN talents (and Zeta). I'm sure they've experienced this themselves, given that so many of them are currently working as self-employed foreigners in Japan. Administrative bullshit is bad everywhere, but it's ESPECIALLY horrendous in Japan.
I wonder how difficult being a working student would be under the Korean tertiary education system? The other Holomems have shown us that it's doable under the Japanese, Indonesian and American systems. Certainly isn't going to be easy, that's for sure.
It's a hard choice to make, but it's probably best to stay in Hololive. It's not the greatest job in terms of security, what with being a content creator and potentially saying the wrong thing and graduating, but it sure beats any alternatives in the short term. I do think it's odd that Hololive members aren't employees of Cover though. I'm not familiar with how idol agencies work, so maybe this is normal? It just seems a bit unfair since they own the channels and character IPs. Obviously they have obligations of various kinds to the talents, but the bank thing Kanade mentions is just one of the many things you lose out on if you're not traditionally employed. Interesting to think about, at least. Thank you for the translation! I'd love to see more Kanade clips, but all the ReGLOSS content you translate is super appreciated too.
They are more like contractual workers. If we follow the Hololive System we know that Hololive gives them the freedom to pursue their PL careers as long as it doesn't involve another Vtubing.They do this in order for the talent to sustain themselves as for newbies covers salary is not enough. This is a good thing because being able to pursue your own career outside of Hololive means that if for some reason Hololive or Vtubing goes under they have can get back on their feet right away.
about V-tubers not being employees of their agencies, this is a modern clever(cunning) most popular way of business. This way agency owes almost nothing to their (not-)employee. It goes not only for V-Tubing. It's a norm for developed countries nowadays, it's like a gray zone or a loop hole in the law. It doesn't sound that fair or reasonable, but it's not prohibited
Wow that's super interesting- I didn't think she'd talk about this topic so directly. It is true though how the general expectation for vtubers is to have Japanese names - even if they're English speaking Americans. Funnily enough this trend is more obvious with non-Holo ENs haha. I wonder what the reaction in the comments was from the live chat? I've noticed there are sometimes people commenting in both Korean and Japanese and considering that relations have always been a little strained hopefully there wasn't any backlash or anything.
Seriously, I'm always worried everytime she talks meta like this 😭 For the comments, some were just following along and some were asking Kanade to drop the topic.
So, our baby chicken🐥 is a baby indeed! Also, Kanade is also not sure, if she is a Korean or a Japanese! Man, this concept of national states is such a BS! Like if your parents come from idk France and you were born in Brazil, what in the world is the right answer, if asked about your nationality!? I'm satisfied with "an alien from Ringo-Hoshi"🍎⭐💛 Kanadi and others are partners with Iwatani Tanigo(Yagoo)! Equals, partners! A pretty cool way to say "the don't want to pay me"😆😅 Statsky, thank you for a nice clip! It was really informative and interesting to watch!
Nah, she is fully Korean, but she doesn't know if her character should be too, because her character has a fully Japanese name. So here she's wondering if she should be one or the other, be half/half, be an alien... etc.
Kanade talking about other member's financial situation and her contract with Cover is borderline dangerous (NDA) and I feel she got bonked for this. And iff Kanade's looking into FIRE, then going back to (physical) college is the wrong decision. Stay in Hololive. Look at Suisei, it took her 3-4 years before everything started going in her favor and became this sensational artist. Also, when Kanade said even her senpais are worrying about their expenses, it's because they are also spending millions of Yen in projects.
The things she is saying here may be interessting this is definitely stuff thats close to breaking NDA ngl lol. One thing Hololive has over other agencies is that they already began their steps to seperate themselves from the main Vtubing sphere and is closely stepping into the bigger entertainment sphere. This mesns that the Vtubing scene may collapse in the next few years. Hololive as a conpany will stay around. As for her college aspirations, id say she should do qhat she can while she is in cover. Like save up for her college tuition once she quits hololive and as she says here not everyone can be part of hololive.
I didn't catch anything that'd have that kind of weight to it... If you're talking about the meta, it's been brought up before in other spots so it's not like, that big of a deal... Also there's no specifics about what's in any agreement or anything, it's well known that they're in a contract with Cover... For her college aspirations it depends on what she wants to do for the rest of her life, and IDK if I ever felt that a student who's just finished high school had the answer and was locked in, y'know, all the time.
to my mind, it doesn't get any better than being in Hololive in terms of the future perspectives. She has her niche and makes first hand contact with people like Sui, Azuchi and Hajimya, who have a nerve(guts), talent and experience in other fields and won't just fade away, if V-Tubing comes to an end. I think, she is pretty secure, if sticks to them. Also she can get a lot more with the connections, which she can build working with cover, than if she does a college. If she wants FIRE, it's more possible, if she stays in the field. A college can give mostly only jobs with a stable mediocre income and nothing beyond that
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~TL Notes~
Pretty sure this is my first long solo Kanade clip. I like to split time between all of ReGLOSS and my Kanade time is usually spent on her karaoke.
Less research to do as far as cultural references and idioms go compared to Raden. However, I know as much as the next person about business, so I had to look up information on sole proprietorship, independent contractors vs agents, self-employment, incorporation, etc. I don't know the specifics of their contracts or how different that is compared to American and other countries' businesses, so I kept it to a general "self-employed" instead of using the other terms.
Honestly I'm glad that Kanade is giving it some thought
Poor Kanade, 20yr old living alone in a foreign country i hope everything goes well for her 🙏
"最近FIREについて.....ちょっと見てる" is too real
Ikr
いや、ちょっと待って 너 도대체 Which country are you from?
재밌구만 이거
Always appreciate when the talents get more introspective and offer a look behind the curtain like this. Certainly didn't expect it from Kanade of all people, but that just makes me appreciate her all the more.
Thanks for the translation! Especially love the choice to translate "omaera" as "my chumps;" it suits how cheeky Kanade can get perfectly.
As someone in the midst of job hunting right now, this talk is super real and hits home for me
This whole clip is a trip and I love it
Thankyouuuuu for kanade's clip!!!!!
I love this kind of inside baseball stuff, it's very interesting. Thank you for translating.
we all just want a sense of security. That if it all goes wrong we have something to rely on. That’s Kanade’s desire in the end.
Interesting peek behind the curtain.
She really isn’t that ‘slow’ a talker these days. She sounds pretty confident and natural.
Tbh, even if you do get a degree, if you go multiple years of not applying what you learned there, you would forget a huge chunk of it anyway. Most companies would probably care more about your actual job experience and less than the degree itself after multiple years from graduating. Still, if she's already a good way into her degree, like maybe if she's more than half way through, there's a strong case of just finishing it.
While thats a reasonable take, remember that most East Asian education doesnt care about job relevance and more about the prestige of the university.
If you study IT at an unknown local university, even with great grades, you might lose out to a Tokyo University student doing art history.
Besides the prolly, (nitpicking for English learners) these are perfect translations. That's rare! A lot of the big channels go too far with localizations or just completely hear/get things wrong and it makes me sad... Hope your channel gets huge!
Actually a W
Need more translations like this
i really like this kind of small talk, its really humanize the vtuber
I think Shion and Haachama were in similar boats
She's having a real hard time getting a Japanese bank. Hopefully she finds one, it's hard for a foreigner to get Japanese banking.
Yeah the segue from "Yeah I wonder why!" to "Hey btw let's talk meta about my nationality" was pretty telling.
@@jaycepentad9535 Also judging from the "self employed" & still in school she is probably fairly young so another two reasons
It's actually not that bad. JP Post has their own bank and they give it to basically anyone. I live in Japan and the first bank I went to gave me an account without really any questions. As long as you've got a semi-permanent visa (i.e. work), they won't care.
The bigger problem is probably that she's a contractor, with "unsteady" income.
Young Korean girl with lots of money and her job is "TH-camr." Of course they are denying it. Pewdiepie had problems too and he was the face of youtube.
Yea self employment is basically looked down on as untrustworthy by every japanese institution cuz they're so old fashioned
Daaang she must probably be the youngest Hololive member right now.
probably same age or close to haachama
@@halfandhalf3386hacchama is like 2001-2002 I think and Kanade is 2004 maybe
OH WOW i just made the shocking discovery that a song i used to loop nonstop back then was sung by her. i love you so much kanade...
@@Mafukana2007 haachama was hired before the age policy and was 16 in 2017-2018 so shes around a 2000 baby
well if you ask about your senpai's financial situation, they will just say that they are super rich at beginning of the year but broke at end because of spending on gacha and expensive MV lol
Thank you for the video
Have a sit down meeting with the school's academic counselor request special accommodations for part time and online classes to at least finish the degree. That way you get to walk away with something completed instead of nothing. Might take longer but whatever.
Interesting that she refers to Japanese citizens as ジャパン人 (Japan-jin) instead of 日本人 (Nihonjin)
First HoloKR.
Damn, I didn't know kanade get real like this sometimes. Crazy unexpected, I rarely hear other members go into topics like this. Now I respect her even more. Thanks for the clip
alot of jp members actually get into these kinds of talks and tangents alot, its just they arent clipped often or get buried by other clips
@@halfandhalf3386 This is true, the language keeps us from a lot of the serious discussions some of the other members really get into.
@@velveteensallet949 my personal favorite is when Polka gets in these deep conversations, usually happens in her low energy mode, alot of wisdom in that wonderful Fennec
There are hololivers younger than me now 😭
never goes full META, Kanade-chan 😅
Even as a software engineer I have some of these thoughts about future prospects... I'm well past my prime and still moving on my own FIRE path but it's rational to think about your industry.
It's not unreasonable to think about VTubing; lots of the non-Cover agencies are starting to show obvious signs of struggle or close outright, which isn't _great_ in boosting long term confidence.
Then there's going back to college, and that's a coin toss tbh, depending on what she wants to do.
(I've heard of the horror stories of getting even a debit card for your own money in Japan and it's kinda baffling, the States would never)
truely "metaすぎる"
I love games where she just yaps
IRL facts below:
Kanade IRL is 20 yo(born '04) native Korean, period. And she didn't do a good job hiding it, let alone not straight-up revealing it.
What she did do a good job of hiding is her past life, but you can find that easily enough. She was an utaite from several years ago, at least from her middle school age. She even has TH-cam coverage when she won first place in Japanese song contest. In her high school period, she finally went into Vtubing career, which lasted only 2 months because her agency had gone bankrupt. Even had her original song composed by MikitoP.
After her unfortunate debut and graduation, she seems to have decided to go to college to pursue more normal career while having auditions of Hololive, which is fairly common path for indie creators. Then the blessing of YAGOO came in, and after a year of pre-debut period we have Otonose Kanade we all know and love.
She seemed to have had fairly good grades at school, according to her past utaite Twitter posts. That should be why she is more reluctant than others to give up college course. She had born in pretty strict family(you know, stereotype "Asian"), which would also have impacted her incline towards the idea of "normal" career. And she is literally having her first job which is virtual talent, not IRL singer or vocalist, even though her agency is one and only Hololive. The market is still too small and the future of the vtubing industry is not so clear. No way she is confident about her future. Especially for a 20-year-old girl.
Absolutely:
I didn't know large bits of this, but if she's had experience with a failed agency then that's going to cause doubts no matter how strong Cover is. Combine that with how the pandemic boom is over, and later generations like ReGLOSS are already experiencing slower growth, these are good questions to consider.
However, this is her shot. If she wants to do something like this, she knows this is it - it doesn't get better than Cover and Hololive. Cover is still steadily growing. Her seniors are (rightfully) cautious, but they also never thought Hololive would survive more than a year at the start - no one knows how things will turn out. And realistically, the Holo girls are a lot closer to FIRE than most of us.
Ideally, she'd get to finish her degree slowly while active like Haachama did... but her university being in Korea is a major wrench in the works. She'd either have to transfer, study remotely, or go back. All of which have major question marks and would heavily impact her streaming.
Mind dropping the name of the utaite?
@@clifto5187 よーい / Youi
Easy to find if you search for it. She's done a lot of covers, Kpop covers too.
@@kadefringe thanks for keeping it relatively civilized and not creepy like that historian chump. Wish they'd get banned already
Maybe she can move to ID with the ID girls. Easier on the expenses and easier to get a bank account
She's experiencing the reality of being self-employed as a foreigner in Japan. COVER could technically help and provide all these official information, but because the talents are considered "contractors" and not "employees", this is out of their hands (intentional risk hedging in COVER i suppose).
If they were more like the GeeXPlus talents, they would be directly hired under GeeXPlus and be directly employed by a Japanese company, which makes it much easier for them to do administrative stuff in Japan, but unfortunately that is not the case for them.
I hope the other talents help her out, or that she gets the courage to ask around the EN talents (and Zeta). I'm sure they've experienced this themselves, given that so many of them are currently working as self-employed foreigners in Japan. Administrative bullshit is bad everywhere, but it's ESPECIALLY horrendous in Japan.
Holy shit, she got denied a debit card ? DIdn t know it was possible, (credit card, yeah, especially when you are not japanese)
I wonder how difficult being a working student would be under the Korean tertiary education system? The other Holomems have shown us that it's doable under the Japanese, Indonesian and American systems. Certainly isn't going to be easy, that's for sure.
Just as I am a Norwegian but not ethnically, she could also be Korean but "not ethnically"
It's a hard choice to make, but it's probably best to stay in Hololive. It's not the greatest job in terms of security, what with being a content creator and potentially saying the wrong thing and graduating, but it sure beats any alternatives in the short term.
I do think it's odd that Hololive members aren't employees of Cover though. I'm not familiar with how idol agencies work, so maybe this is normal? It just seems a bit unfair since they own the channels and character IPs. Obviously they have obligations of various kinds to the talents, but the bank thing Kanade mentions is just one of the many things you lose out on if you're not traditionally employed.
Interesting to think about, at least. Thank you for the translation! I'd love to see more Kanade clips, but all the ReGLOSS content you translate is super appreciated too.
They are more like contractual workers.
If we follow the Hololive System we know that Hololive gives them the freedom to pursue their PL careers as long as it doesn't involve another Vtubing.They do this in order for the talent to sustain themselves as for newbies covers salary is not enough.
This is a good thing because being able to pursue your own career outside of Hololive means that if for some reason Hololive or Vtubing goes under they have can get back on their feet right away.
about V-tubers not being employees of their agencies, this is a modern clever(cunning) most popular way of business. This way agency owes almost nothing to their (not-)employee. It goes not only for V-Tubing. It's a norm for developed countries nowadays, it's like a gray zone or a loop hole in the law. It doesn't sound that fair or reasonable, but it's not prohibited
Wow that's super interesting- I didn't think she'd talk about this topic so directly. It is true though how the general expectation for vtubers is to have Japanese names - even if they're English speaking Americans. Funnily enough this trend is more obvious with non-Holo ENs haha.
I wonder what the reaction in the comments was from the live chat? I've noticed there are sometimes people commenting in both Korean and Japanese and considering that relations have always been a little strained hopefully there wasn't any backlash or anything.
Seriously, I'm always worried everytime she talks meta like this 😭
For the comments, some were just following along and some were asking Kanade to drop the topic.
So, our baby chicken🐥 is a baby indeed!
Also, Kanade is also not sure, if she is a Korean or a Japanese! Man, this concept of national states is such a BS! Like if your parents come from idk France and you were born in Brazil, what in the world is the right answer, if asked about your nationality!? I'm satisfied with "an alien from Ringo-Hoshi"🍎⭐💛
Kanadi and others are partners with Iwatani Tanigo(Yagoo)! Equals, partners! A pretty cool way to say "the don't want to pay me"😆😅
Statsky, thank you for a nice clip! It was really informative and interesting to watch!
Nah, she is fully Korean, but she doesn't know if her character should be too, because her character has a fully Japanese name. So here she's wondering if she should be one or the other, be half/half, be an alien... etc.
This got super meta that it got me wondering if it's even okay for Kanade to say all of this 😅
Kanade talking about other member's financial situation and her contract with Cover is borderline dangerous (NDA) and I feel she got bonked for this.
And iff Kanade's looking into FIRE, then going back to (physical) college is the wrong decision. Stay in Hololive. Look at Suisei, it took her 3-4 years before everything started going in her favor and became this sensational artist.
Also, when Kanade said even her senpais are worrying about their expenses, it's because they are also spending millions of Yen in projects.
The things she is saying here may be interessting this is definitely stuff thats close to breaking NDA ngl lol.
One thing Hololive has over other agencies is that they already began their steps to seperate themselves from the main Vtubing sphere and is closely stepping into the bigger entertainment sphere. This mesns that the Vtubing scene may collapse in the next few years. Hololive as a conpany will stay around.
As for her college aspirations, id say she should do qhat she can while she is in cover. Like save up for her college tuition once she quits hololive and as she says here not everyone can be part of hololive.
I didn't catch anything that'd have that kind of weight to it... If you're talking about the meta, it's been brought up before in other spots so it's not like, that big of a deal... Also there's no specifics about what's in any agreement or anything, it's well known that they're in a contract with Cover...
For her college aspirations it depends on what she wants to do for the rest of her life, and IDK if I ever felt that a student who's just finished high school had the answer and was locked in, y'know, all the time.
to my mind, it doesn't get any better than being in Hololive in terms of the future perspectives. She has her niche and makes first hand contact with people like Sui, Azuchi and Hajimya, who have a nerve(guts), talent and experience in other fields and won't just fade away, if V-Tubing comes to an end. I think, she is pretty secure, if sticks to them. Also she can get a lot more with the connections, which she can build working with cover, than if she does a college. If she wants FIRE, it's more possible, if she stays in the field. A college can give mostly only jobs with a stable mediocre income and nothing beyond that
There's literally nothing she talked about that's even coming close to NDA stuff lol
There is absolutely no reason to believe anything she said even begins to resemble an NDA violation.
indie vtubing (as in people using Vtuber model to stream) will stick around, corporate vtubing will consolidate into at most 4-5 companies worldwide