Having Nine Lives is POINTLESS in Warrior Cats
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- One of the most frustrating aspects of Warrior Cats lore. One thing I forgot to mention in this video: the nine lives ceremonies are getting to be really boring the more that happen. It was only interesting the first time with Firestar.
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I think the lives idea is pretty misused. The Erin's should treat it more as a 'gift' like many ambitious leaders made it out to be in the first books. Even if all nine lives get wiped out similar to Tigerstar's case, it would still have more interesting plot than 'oh, let's let these guys live for the next four or five series while wiping away all their lives at once even though a cat dies every book and these leaders are completely capable of dying' or 'oh, this guy got possessed, but let's bring him back because he's the ThunderClan leader.' The Erin's are wasting a lot of potential that I would love to see, and I'm hoping ASC brings that new potential.
Tigerstar lost all his nine lives because he damaged his nine vital organs and because he deserved it
@@kcproductions1546 I am aware! My point is that it'd be nice to have thing like that, so that there would be a bit more of a topic to write about that still remains similar to the Warriors lore ^^
@@kcproductions1546 and because he wasn't actually the leader at the time
nvm I didnt realize he just lost all of them at once
Imagine if the nine lives were actually more like a gift. Where, whenever the leader dies, StarClan has the OPPOURTUNITY to send them back, based on the leader's previous actions. This would add tension when a leaders dies - were they worthy of their last life to be granted a new one to serve their clan? Additionally, this would be a good failsafe to protect Clans from bad leaders like Brokenstar or Tigerstar. They do bad things, die, BAM, not allowed back.
To make it even more interesting (because if a cat like Tigerstar knew he might not get resurrected, he wouldn't try to be leader in the first place) deputies and first time leaders wouldn't know that StarClan has to grant you your next life until they die the first time. All cats (perhaps barring medicine cats) would think that a leader gets nine lives. Well, the leaders don't learn until the time of their first death how it really works. What do you guys think?
Quick note: Sunstar had 8 lives, not 9, because Pinestar wasn't dead.
that's quite interesting, did pinestar have a life left, so sunstar didn't have 9?
@@Sashasangels yes.
@@Sashasangels I think I know what you’re saying, but the answer is actually no if I interpreted your question right. Pinestar only had 1 life left, if he died that was it, Im not sure how that works exactly since he already had 1 life originally but maybe it takes it as he loses the life he had first, and the other lives are starclan-given so the life he took to live as a kitty pet was one of the lives starclan gave him?… if that makes sense. Could be a possible explanation, although I wish there was a better one. ^^;
@@flame1949 yeah I'd Imagine they just kinda die in their sleep during their leadership ceremony in order to get their 9 lives
@@Sashasangels to clear up any confusion (as pass explanations seem a little confusing) Pinestar left the clans to be a kittypet while still having one life, and Sunfall his deputy, became Sunstar. But because Pinestar was still alive, Starclan couldn’t give him his final life, as that’s always given by the previous clan leader (ex: Bluestar gave Firestar his final life, Leopardstar gave Mistystar her final life etc). This meant that Sunstar never received 9 lives, and only had 8. Another example is Brokenstar and Nightpelt(star, whatever you wanna call it) when Nightstar becomes leader, Brokenstar still had 9 lives, he was just exiled. That meant that Nightstar never got any lives as only one cat from each clan can have 9 lives at once.
I will disagree on the scourge part
Firestar did come back with 8 lives but scourge being able to oneshot him was still a looming danger
Just because he couldn't get him with the move he got tigerstar with dosent mean there wouldn't be another scenario where scourge could have gotten firestar on his back and expose him to a Oneshot kill
I mean if Scourge was able to one-shot kill Tigerstar, who was much bigger then him and to some extent stronger then him yet was killed despite having all his nine lives, then yea Scourge could have easily also kill Firestar if the if something went differently, so yea there’s was level of danger
A high one that is
@@LocalLazyStove that would ve been more interesting
But there is a difference when it's main villain vs the main character, I truly felt no tension even when I was a wee child reading that scene. Rolling my eyes and just being like, "Fine kill scourge already, whatever I guess, bullshit that Tigerstar lost all his but you probably arn't going to lose more then one."
Yeah its annoying. They all seem so strong until they get 9 lives, dying the most common ways like Firestar for example. You could give them 1 life to make it more interesting, but it also comes with like making them more wise or something similar to that instead of handing them 9 lives . Giving them 1 life makes it more exciting because the reader is more thrilled to see when they're going to die or scared which is where the drama steps in like for instance a fight between Firestar and Tigerstar. As given to the example the reader would wonder who would die first instead of "oh Firstar already has 9 lives. he'll be fine." Plus, it doesn't even make sense. If Starclan knew Tigerstar was bad, why give him 9 lives? To make him live longer just to kill and be evil? Its misused on wrong cats.
Ye like why give Tigerstar his nine lives but what about Nightstar????
@@SplashWarrior_Edits StarClan's reasoning for nine lives changes every time. They gave it to Tigerstar "supposedly" because a sign was given to the medicine cat and ShadowClan had no leader or deputy so he had to follow up (I dint remember if it was faked or not, but it could've made it that the other living cats chose him). Also for Tigerstar, the writers said that Scourge had hit multiple major organs when he killed Tigerstar, causing him to lose them one at a time, however, Raggedstar (Brokenstar's father) got his 9 lives ripped from him by getting his throat ripped out, and Firestar almost lost 6 at once from a fox trap. For Nightstar, they said Brokenstar was still alive and was technically leader of ShadowClan, even if he was imprisoned so Nightstar was nevee given his name or his lives (he and his medicine cat pretended he got his name and lives). However, Sunstar (before Bluestar) was only given 8 lives because Pinestar kept his one life to become a kittypet. And there's Tigerstar II, who died before getting his lives so he only got 8 (SPOILERS: this should have happened again in the new book). And don't forget the fact that leaders can apparently give their lives back to StarClan if they don't feel like being leader (Bluestar mentioned this, but it never happened until Rowanstar.)
I think that's all the inconsistencies with leader's nine lives if I remember correctly.
@@SplashWarrior_Edits Honestly StarClan are just so confusing sometimes. They didn't give Nightstar lives because Brokenstar still had one life left, but the SAME THING happened with Pinestar, he was still on his last life when he left his clan but they still gave Sunstar eight lives. And yeah, they give cats like Tigerstar and Brokenstar nine lives. That's StarClan guys!
i feel dumb reading the replies even tho I knew all that ;-;
I actually think Star clan didn’t genuinely give Tigerstar nine lives, I’m pretty sure Star clan might’ve not knew Tigerstar was evil and sense he was strong and thriving they chose him as leader.
I respectfully disagree with this, yes, it is a kind of dumb thing the way Firestar lost his lives, but having nine lives for being a leader is quite helpful. If leaders only had one life, they could just poof out of existence on their first day of being a leader, like if they got into a battle just when they turned into a leader, that would be a VERY risky scenario, especially if they didn't choose a deputy yet. Would you rather that happen? Probably not. With that concluded, I think leaders should have nine lives. I do respect your opinion though. Have a great day!
But nine feel like too much. I know, cats having nine lives is a thing, but I think 3-5 would make them feel less expendable.
Yeah 9 lives is way too much
I never really got into the worrior cats series, but the idea that one life isn't enough for a leader idosen't really make sense to me. All throughout history, warrior kings have fought alongside their soldiers (Some of them did die), but it was't like they were just dying left and right. By only having one life, there is tension and there is a feeling that the leader must be protected.
@@clearilluion7481 well 1 life is too short, maybe 3 or 5 is better since the leader can protect the clan but it soon gets to the point where they need more and more defense as they go on dying and its not just the leader every single time protecting the clan
I think 4 is a perfect number. Enough for a leader to seem powerful and for them to have some leeway and keeping them from being killed all the time, while still allowing that danger and urgency to grow with each life lost. Plus its easier to keep track of their deaths with fewer on the table
When Greystripe outlives most of the modern Clan's leaders, you know you're doing something wrong
About that
I'm surprised greystripe lived at all, wasn't he a product of direct close sibling incest?? Aren't incest kitten supposed to be sickly or does that only happen when it's done repeatedly throughout generations.
@@makeitraynex3875 New secret of imortality, be an incest kid
yep.
@@makeitraynex3875 Technically the whole incest thing happened because the authors didn't actually plan a mom or dad for greystripe in the books. They tried to do families trees several years after the 1st series was done cause fans kept asking. There isn't actually enough cats in the clan at the time for there not to be incest because of the relationships and families that *had* actually been canon. It's really a result of bad planning that you can ignore cause it's not specifically said in any of the books and was just over author QnAs. (Means you can headcanon to your hearts content to avoid the world where greystripe actually *was* a result of incest)
Edit: to add on to the video I think Tigerstar's death was brilliant, it really set up Scourge as a great threat and if he had just one life his death wouldn't be as impactful
Remember even Firestar felt bad to see Tigerstar lose his lives one by one and his death was basically torture, it was horrifyingly exciting
What I believe would make it better (but much more dark) is taking the "life of courage" etc to the fullest
What I mean is imagine that after the ceremony all lives the leader is given are based on what the starclan cat says and their life revolves around it until they lose it
So for example if a leader receives a life of courage during that life they are overconfident, get into unreasonable coflicts easier etc. during a life of love they are so focused on love they don't see the life outside of it etc etc
Why do I think it would make it interesting? That would mean some leaders would purposefully kill themselves/ask to be killed to go through different lives according to the current situation
Yes I'm aware this is screwed up and would never happen but it's interesting to think about
Honestly, I remember thinking the lives would affect their behaviors like that when I first read Firestar's ceremony. The way they set it up with the speeches kinda imply that with the wording, with the whole "with *this* life" stuff. Like, sure, it's just a fancy speech for theatrics, but it would've been cool if it did work like that! But like you said, it would make for darker story ideas, but I like to imagine in a different timeline it was written like that...
Fanfiction time?
That’d be cool. I like that idea. Maybe starclan says because they seem to not be taking the lives they give them seriously, they make them act like that. Tigerstar was given nine lives to hopefully bring up shadowclan, fulfill his ambition, and he gets lives for things like compassion, hoping to make him into a better cat. I didn’t memorize his lines so idk if compassion was actually one of them.
@@hyalophora Yup. I asked tennelle flowers on her latest video if I could use her rewriting power of three video to actually rewrite power of three, wanna help? We could totally team up and rewrite the books like this. Then tigerstar could also commit suicide to get to the lives he likes, making him dying by scourge much more realistic (as far as warrior cats goes)
@@Squirrelstar I certainly wouldn't mind joining you in your Warriors-rewriting endeavor. It sounds fun! Just one thing, where would we be doing it? I assume not in this reply section lol
The Scourge one-shot thing gets brought up a bit, and I always have the same answer. SCOURGE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT STARCLAN!
He didn’t know about the 9 lives thing and only managed to one-shot Tigerstar because Tigerstar left his belly exposed, Scourge just thought he took longer to die.
Why didn’t he do it again on Firestar? BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FREAKING SUPER MOVE IN A FIGHTING GAME. He thought Firestar was already dead, so he turned his back on him, and got killed because of it.
You forgot that Tigerstar lost all nine of his lives in a single blow, when Scourge ripped his stomach so far open that the damage was irreversible, and caused him all nine deaths in just one part
Tbh thought it was because scourge hit 9 vital organs or something
@@Mag3.1415 all nine vital organs were torn out of him in that single blow, and fell out of his stomach to litter the forest floor
“But I promise you they (Mistystar and Leafstar) will both have a single life left the moment it’s needed for plot”
This aged well…
(Asc spoilers) rip mistystar she couldve lived longer but plot convienence and her lame death said otherwise…😔
LMAO mistystar is literally peepaw William Afton
@@FrozenIceCrackers she lived long enough lol, she was one of the oldest characters in the series this point
@@mageofdoomsie1598 we still have thornclaw left
I know right! it was so sad in the book river
it is pointless but I like seeing some of my fav. leaders get to live longer. The fact a lot of my fav. charecters die quickly and don't get to live for a long time makes me sad
Edit: Thanks for the likes I never got this much before
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Geez I can’t believe Firestar died 10 years ago. I feel old
“But I promise you they(Mistystar and Leafstar) will both have a single life left the second it’s needed for plot”
This aged well… what if Mistystar was actually killed by plot convenience instead of the other thing o-o
Idk if someone's mentioned this before, but has any leader died from complications of old age? What if the 9 lives couldn't save the cats from dying of old age? Mistystar could be wiped out easy if that were the case.
Then again, cats can live an average of 16 years before passing away, idc if these cats are wild, they still have medicine.
I mean, maybe that's a factor in what made Mistystar kneel over and die. Also, did anyone notice that Mosspelt was still alive? She's gotta be the second oldest cat (well, first now). Why does RiverClan keep having the oldest cats and the ones who are revived the most (Heavystep)?
@@petalleaf2808 Mosspelt is still alive ? She’s basically a living Mummy and has outlived anybody then lmao
I bet that the writers ignore Riverclan and that’s why mistystar is like 3136389 quilltrillpillbillion years old.
Edit: MISTYSTAR DIED???? HUH?
Tallstar did died of old age and was already ready to join Starclan.
I really want Leafstar to have most of her lives still, partially because I will go insane if there are no she-cat leaders and partially because I want her to become the next "Is she ever going to die?" cat. We already lost both of the previous ones, so we need more.
Honestly, I have no clue what to do with the nine lives thing in my rewrite. I definitely want to keep it but don't want to make the leaders seem reckless with these lives so they don't live forever. The most I got for this is making so that leaders are more likely to engage in battles they start, not fearing them with extra lives and hey look drama and getting rid of extra cats! Maybe make nine lives a curse and blessing, like with the lives comes an increased chance of being in bad situations such as being most likely to be targeted by a dog when the dog randomly chooses who to chase with intent of killing. Or even have some poetry to the lives and have each live giver foreshadow how their live will be taken, again with the dog example have Swiftpaw's life be taken because Firestar was killed by dogs for that life, or have the trait they give them echo the cause, an example being if one is forgiveness the life will either be taken because they forgave too soon/wrong cat/someone who didn't deserve to be forgiven or refused to forgive at all/until it was too late. Or simply have those lives be put to use when plague, drought and famine strike. That's how I plan on having Harestar give his last life: greencough that he insisted someone else deserved to survive more than him, it was why he had nine wonderful lives to see WindClan grow and thrive.
The last one is always going to skew my judgement when it comes to deaths during leafbare when greencough undoubtably springs up: the leader is sick as well as the others, someone dies because there wasn't enough catmint but the leader doesn't lose a life. It's always been frustrating to me when leaders are given priority when illness breaks out since I thought this was part of why they were given lives in the first place.
Exactly!
I’ve got an AU where Darktail uses Mistystar’s lives against her.
Your name makes sense- Dovewings eyes ARE green
Its ridiculous how much they shove in deaths and plot points from this that would make the books more dramatic and overall better if they weren't there.
I thought Firestar's order of the death of his nine lives were
1. Scourge in The Darkest Hour
2. The battle against the rats in Firestar's Quest
3. Died helping Ravenpaw in The Heart of A Warrior
4. Crushed by a falling tree while helping ShadowClan in Dawn
5. Killed by Hawkfrost by a fox trap in Sunrise
6. Died of greencough in Long Shadows
7. Killed by a fox in The Fourth Apprentice
8. Killed fighting Russetfur in Fading Echoes
9. Died of wounds after the battle with the Dark Forest in The Last Hope
I got this information online
Ack! 4th. Aa so excited!! Your an inspiration. And literally except Mistystar, all of their lives are just gone like the normal span of a warrior...it makes no sense
Having 9 lives is pointless right now because the cats are getting along well. For a cat to need 9 lives they need to have a lot more threats to them. The issue with the lake territory is there are less threats to the cats. I think you have to remember the average age of death for all warrior cats is about 3 years. So many cats die really young.
Sunstar lost all his lives due to fights over sunningrocks. Border skirmishes took out a lot of lives of the leaders in the old forest. Border skirmishes are rare at the lake territory and theres no roads so no traffic deaths, no rats from the barn. More trees have killed cats at the lake territory than the forest territory.
I also don't think the fans help because they complain about leaders being leader for too long when in fact they SHOULD BE alive.
Bluestar outlived several deputies. Theres no way she lived to only 7 it should have realistically been about 17-18 which is 6x the average lifespan of a warrior cat at 3 years which makes sense.
Everyone complaining that mistystar is old doesnt understand that leaders should be living to about 18-20 years old. Mistystars age is about right.
Firestar was made leader very young. Which also impacts how long he lived for. The leaders that were made leader very young tend to burn through their lives, possibly because theyre young and reckless? Tallstar and crookedstar were made leader as senior warriors. So it makes sense that they live longer.
Bramblestar was also a fairly senior warrior when he became leader too so its expected he'd live a while. Onestar burned through his lives like no bodies business as well.
Finally, bluestars lives actually mattered because it was high stakes for fireheart at the time. He was young, inexperienced and had to lead his clan and fullfil a prophecy.
I think the writers intend for leaders to live ages but the fans complain so they change it.
I always find them getting their nine lives very exciting lol, I'm glad the nine lives exist. It's the only motive to be a wild cat over a kittypet. Be a great warrior get the deputy job then bam leader. 😹
It was ridiculous that Nightstar couldn’t get his 9 lives literally just because Brokenstar was still alive but on the prink of death and because he was old Like at least half the cats that become leaders are already old at stage when they’re leader
And he wasn’t even that old he would still be a warrior at the time if he didn’t have asthma.
Especially considering that Sunstar got his lives (albeit 8 not 9) when Pinestar was still alive.
Well, technically Sunstar only got 8 lives since Pinestar left ThunderClan on his last life, but it's still insane that he lost all 8 so quickly
I think the only reason they really put that in there is because of the myth that cats have nine lives and they wanted to put that in somewhere lol.
9 lives we're very creative. But sometimes it feels weird,
I really think TigerStar didn't need them-
Does anyone remember that when a leader loses a life, that life lives in StarClan but is deaf? Clearly the writers didn't, otherwise Bramblestar's lost life should have been wandering around with him during Ash(Bramble)star's reign, and it could have join the protagonists in the Dark Forest. They even could have made it that if the one life died, that just means when Bramblestar loses his last life, he will already be slightly faded in StarClan
When the four clans were first developed the leaders were told: “ we give you 8 more lives so you can rule your clan for many moons
I’m a big fan of WaCa,and whit you in community, it blow up my mind! You are one of the bast!
Thank you, queen Akira!
Lol when the leaders say "Omg I only have one life left" I just think: "every other car also has just one life and they're doing fine"
Also almost everyone when they see the new book w mistystar on it
“Another one bites the dust.”
I love seeing issues in the real books and fixing them in my fan stories. Two of the protagonists of the story start as leaders, one with (i think) half of their lives, and one with about 6 left. The one with six lives is actually afraid that her increased life span will cause her to still be alive even when all the cats she loves are gone. This goes so far that for the longest time she refuses to take a mate or even make close friendships. As for the other, a curse that has actual plot relevance takes each of his remaining lives one at a time until he dies. Then me and my friend decided we weren’t done with him, and since our story incorporates lots of magic, we just, revived him.
Wait this sounds really interesting!! Is there a way I can read this story?
well, that can be explained, because when you know you have 9 lives, you will be much less careful with them and take risks every time you can risk to protect your clan. also i think when a leader dies of old age they loses all the lives they had
This is why, in my Warriors fanfiction, I'm trying to make sure every leader's deaths count. Of course I use some cutting of lives at the start of the story to make sense, and it's still a WIP, but I'm not throwing lives away willy-nilly. Darkstar starts with 2 lives, Hazestar starts with 3 lives (she's probably not going to die), Acornstar starts with 1 life, Birchstar starts with 1 life, and Hollystar starts with 5 lives (she's probably not going to die either). Birchstar dies of foxglove poisoning that is VERY important to the plot AND helps set up one of the main villains; I'm not sure but one of Darkstar's lives might be lost in a conflict that also gets one of the main characters self-exiled, and one of the main characters takes over after her second life is lost; I'm not sure how I'm going to kill Acornstar but it's not just going to be "Oops, she needs to die, pull out the deputy!" I try to write things deliberately, and you've actually made some very good points I can use. Thanks!
Scourge killing Tigerstar 9 times at once with one move does make him feel like a major threat.
I agree with the SunStar part but he actually only had 8 lives to Star with because of PineStar living his last life out with twolegs.
Shadowclan goes through so many leaders, Chedastar, Raggedstar, Brokenstar, Nightstar(he didn't receive 9 lives but still) Tigerstar, Blackstar (lived the longest) Rowanstar now Tigerstar 2 all of them became leaders close to one another, the writers just love killing them all off for the clan drama
About what you said with MistyStar's nine lives.....
*Boy do i have some news for you.*
kinda disagree on the scourge part cuz he could still oneshot firestar
It’s like the 9 lives are more of a curse than a blessing
"Mistystar's [amount of remaining lives] is still unknown"
Me, watching this way late: "ahhhhhh zero."
I think if we weren’t stuck in only ThunderClan for so many arcs, we would have been better able to appreciate the nine lives things. If we saw how all the other leaders lost a majority of their lives, then while the reveal that one died wouldn’t be big and surprising, it would at least feel more… idk, real?
Same. Firestar before he becomes leader: ARMOR PLOTINUM! * JoJo references go brr *
Firestar after becoming leader: help i got crushed by a tree
"Watch the moment either of them are needed in the plot they will magically have 9 lives"
Mistystar in river: Correct!
actually, bluestar had 4 lives in the beginning, as she said to firestar she has lost around 5 of her lives or something after killed by rats
Heavystep having more lives than Nightstar:
Technically, Sunstar had 8 lives, since one was taken for Pinestar's life 😉
I think leaders should have more than one life to make sure they have a decent reign and don’t die in two days, maybe more like 3 lives instead of 9?
I'm considering this theory and your right Akira
You really won’t a leader to exist one second Alr
if you pay atention to the books you will see that like 1 out of 5 cats who aren't leaders die of green chough but every outbreak a leader dies
Honestly I wish the nine lives thing was a myth in Warriors as well, started by some kits who noticed that their leader could deal with lots of things due to being given extra strength and energy by Starclan.
Akira: saying bramblestar
My subtitles: *RAINBOWSTAR*
O The third life was when all cats were escorting shadowclan out of the camp bc of twolegs monsters and twolegs themselves. Firestar just so happened to stand right under a falling tree. Just for clarification!
Me at Ashfur: your pointless.
Ashfur: 39 buried, 0 found.
I don't think it's pointless if it's actually used LIKE firestar, which is tot he effect of actually getting down and dirty in the day to day of the clan without worrying that one incident will take them out. Firestar's use of his lives is the best imo, it shows that he's still out there involved with his clan and doing duties and why his clan would have such a high opinion of him for always throwing himself into work and trouble for them, unlike bramblestar who's sat in his den his entire reign and had to be literally assassinated to lose even one life...
I think the issue here, is that all cats die at the drop of a hat. There are many that only last around a book or so. Why wouldn’t they want the leader to have multiple lives to waste on dumb stuff so they’re still around when the important stuff happens?
Did raggedstar lose all his lives at once too?
Or did his son only take some of them since he had already been leader for about 2 years and got killed right before rusty joined?
That's a good question. Personally, I've been imagining that Brokentail killed his father 4-5 times consecutively.
No, brokentail broke raggedstars neck I think. He then died 9 times
You missed the fox trap in the deaths 2:32
So This Is Mistystars ways......
Since there can only be one leader for each clan, there should be an arc about an enemy clan kidnapping (kitnapping?) of a leader, forcing a 1-life leader, like Nightstar, to lead the clan, making them more vurnable to attack. It would be really interesting POV to have a 1-life leader descovering the mysterys of why their clan has been seemenly neglected by Starclan's gifts of lives, and disovering the old leader that was said to have died years ago.
I'm only on Moonrise rn, but I feel like I would have heard from the fandom if something like this happened lol
If you think about it if tigerstar lost all nine lives because the damage was irreversible and too fast to heal from, that also establishes that maybe some wounds and injuries can cost a cat more than one life to heal from, so now you have to factor in the possibility that leaders can be greatly injured or on deathbeds and need more energy than just one life to give them that jump back into stable then healed condition, which can explain why some cats lose lives quicker than others, we just haven’t technically seen it yet except with tigerstar but it can’t be dismissed entirely either, you can also factor things like age and conditions, if a elderly sick leader needs more energy and life force to come back from an injury, wound or sickness then a young and healthy leader then it could obviously cost more lives then it would for the younger leader to recover, it opens up a lot of possibilities if you think about what happened to tigerstar since it’s cannon
I have read warriors cats for so long that I forgot that some of them have 9 lives
Firestar on the thumbnail went through mitosis
Yeah this basically explains why my warrior cats ocs don’t get nine lives. They just get blessed by 9 cats and a star marking showing they’re a leader.
This is why I only give my OCs five lives, on top of them also being wolves, so the "nine-life" thing wouldn't make a lot of sense anyway. It's based on stars often being drawn with five points instead. The reason is so that they can always be involved in battles and leading things they otherwise wouldn't in fear of leaving their pack leaderless
I agree about the lives being skipped or rushed but there are lots of plots in warrior cats that require leaders to have 9 lives. Like when mud claw tried to over through one star
I'm excited to see what you think of River and any possible theories
How did only Firestar die in battles
In my opinion nine isn’t that many because they’re feral. It gives them a little extra time to lead and prepare deputies. The problem is their lives are never used up. They’re supposed to be used up to protect their Clan or even get menial diseases. Causing cats like Mistystar to keel over way past their prime.
I find it hilarious that mousefur outlived a leader with *nine lives* and almost all of firestars aswell
I could have sworn Firestars 3rd life was lost to a fox trap.
This is untapped potential, the Erins can make a living villain who can take nine lives away (like getting “blessed” by nine dark forest cats) essentially the opposite of a leader
I don’t understand something, I’m kinda far into the book and I’m just so confused because no one has ever stated if leaders can die from age? Like do they lose one life or fully die, it makes no sense for me.
Considering they have 9 LIVES! Leaders should be living WAYYYY longer then they should! That’s why I was never bothered that Mistystar was still alive, she has 9 LIVES!
Yeah, I was always confused about how firestar died before graystripe.
It's So That You Don't Feel Anything When They Finally Do Die
Fun fact: In Bluestars prophecy, by the end of the book, it is stated that (in page 506) bluestar wants to tell redtail the truth, she has lost 7 lives, with 2 remaining, even though she had lost her 3rd remaining life when redtail was dead.
Finally someone mentions how even with nine lives, leaders don't even live that long and are usually outlived by numerous cats with just one life. Leaders usually lose lives ridiculously fast, because it would be a story-telling nightmare if they lived nine proper lifetimes. The same leader could be leader for 50+ years if that were the case.
I know they might lose lives slightly faster because they can afford to be reckless and usually have to sacrifice themself, but when on average their lives last about a year each (and that's being really generous, it's probably usually far less, especially in the older books), you can hardly call it having nine lives. Even if a leader's life was on average about two three years, much shorter than the average clan cat lifespan I would say, they'd still be around for between nearly 2 or 3 decades, which is unheard of as far as I know, and remember this is still assuming a very short average life expectancy.
Nine is just so many lives that it should be unbelievable that cats with one life can outlive them unless it's a Tigerstar I situation, but it happens regularly. Not to mention there are plenty of heroic cats who aren't leaders who throw themselves into the fray regularly but still don't live less than a year, so it's still not feasible leaders die at the drop of a hat like they do, especially not eight or nine times (statistically even if they were really unlucky they should probably still have at least 3-4 lives that last at least a few years lol).
As it stands right now, being leader means you have a slightly longer average lifespan than the average clan cat, maybe twice as long maximum but definitely not nine times as long. This has always bugged me so much, for a little reference to a common saying, it just breaks the logic of a whole system.
the fact that you were actually right and mistystar died in river
Misterstar dying is a criminal offense.
hearing this a year latter is awsome. mistystar is only on her leat life when they need a plot twist
You make good points you really do also be considerate of people who don't have the books yet watch out some idiots are putting spoilers in the comment section without warning people aka be positive posted a huge spoiler without putting a warning on it
Mistystar has very little lifes left, I'm sure of it, she probably dies in the starless clan.
Can we also mention Dow during battle everyone is like "oooh, we gotta protect the lEaDeR~" like, so many cats who get only one chance at life DIE so the leader wouldnt lose 1 of their precious 9
Also like, when cats are made deputy, they expect to be leader one day. Not "my leader has 9 lives and is likely to outlive me because I only have 1, so /maybe/ I'll get to be leader if I'm made deputy during one of their last lives." Imagine being made the first deputy to a leader who has fresh 9 lives if they actually lived a 9 life span. You'd never be leader
According to ASC, Mistystar has one and she dies, while Leafstar, Harestar, Tigerstar, and Bramblestar....
It would be cool if that some cats got a different number of lives than other leaders, like the older the cat the less they get, or the younger the cat they would get more than an older leader. ( like 1 or 2 extra lives)
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They have the livespan of the lives of 9 whole generations of cats yet still live the average age, makes me think if the whole coming to life thing is moreso a "giving a random burst of strength" thing
Btw tigerstar had all his lifes when he was killed by scourge but the injury was so severe it killed tigerstar 9 times.
Sunstar only received 8 lives, but I agree they pretty much just thanos snapped him out of existence
Tigerstar: Now we are talking
I thought the idea was charming at first like mentioned but it doesn’t help that the writing timeline wise is so inconsistent for sure. Sadly the most interesting part of the 9 lives thing to me was the idea that a leader could leave and the next one would be missing the lives in return. Or the idea that you can lose multiple lives at once, but it almost never happens and overall the 9 lives is tedious. For my own fan clan I have 3 clans and each leader gets 3 lives (3*3=9 lives all together) instead of the full 9 each
Maybe if Firestar were to be only given a couple lives, since he is not a clan cat. Like maybe, 2-3. I feel like that would cause a lot more tension and fear if Firestar were to lose one of his lives since they are so scarce. He could also have some inner self conflict as well, still trying to prove that he could be a good leader even if Starclan did not approve of him and worried about others around him.
ahh i absolutely agree! i found it really tedious to make up 9 different demises for my leader character. even still I only have like 3!
Honestly until The broken code, I always thought that Bramble lost a life saving Briarlight or trying to save Seedpaw. I dunno if I just misremember or he really did loose a life and the Erin's forgot or something.
Looks like an interesting video! Excited to see what you have to say.
Honestly, just thinking about the world itself, it makes sense. They are leaders, they need longer lives. But from a story perspective, definitely way too many. If the writers need more deaths happening, they could really just have them be reasonable ones, such as dying of sickness from checking on other cats, or in battle as a sacrifice, because those are just leader duties. They don't need to be out of the blue or forced.
Agree. A few deputies (Squirrelflight and Crowfeather) are already older. Not against them becoming leaders but oh boy they'd be alive forever. more mistystars
I feel like the cats only got the nine lives so the erins would say, haha cats have nine lives and so do ours
i always thought the ceremonies where the cats were given their lives were so sweet and touching, but then the 9 lives afterwards were just dumb
I don’t think Mistystar got so many lives. I think she got nine lives, like how Warrior Cats would do. And Mistystar probably lost a life and then the next couple of years she loses another life, and this happens, again and again. But, hey! That’s *Just A Theory! A Book Theory!* (Yes, MattPat reference).