I didn’t know about the “cats in the Dark Forest walk alone” thing, but now I like to think Tigerstar said that just so Darkstripe would leave him alone
yep, just chose swift paw off the top of my head, but all the unjust deaths, all the kits that die of greencough or whatever, and they chose *cinderpelt*.
Cinderpelt: loses the ability to move one leg, becomes a med cat Starclan: omg we need to give her another chance Briarlight: loses ability to move her whole lower body and just kind of exists in the clan, not a warrior or med cat Starclan: who's that again?
Tigerstar: "Don't try to follow me. Cats have no friends or allies here. They must walk their path of shadows alone." Also Tigerstar a few books later: We shall make a group against everyone
@@coralrose5754 Oh don't we know it. He was down bad for Tigerstar. Sometimes I feel sorry for him. But then I remember that he tried poisoning Sorrelkit, and it all goes away.
I’m now fully convinced that the whole “forgotten cats fading” thing is actually outside of canon and just an excuse for the writers when they forget about cats
Same otherwise so many of the starclan cats would be gone. The cats die all the time so they can’t pass down stories of those who they have lost in the past leaving them forgotten. Though they’re not starclan I’d expect fallen leaves and rock to be gone before they were even introduced. And same with half moon though I think it’s mentioned that she’s much more faded than others.
I think she was faded, but when jayfeather time traveled they got brought back (it would explain why half-moon says she owes her life to jay, ) @creepywaffles4783
I headcanon she did feel pain until she died but she got control over the power by the time she joined ThunderClan. Kinda like how Jayfeather controlled his powers
I think Tigerstar lied to Darkstripe about walking alone because literally no one in the dark forest likes him and it gets mentioned how much he annoys everyone there lmao
I miss the idea of Lionclan, Tigerclan, and Leopardclan. Imagine if these cool wild cat ancestors where the higher power that gives starclan prophecies and nobody sees solid evidence of their true existence as they are so detached from current clan cats that they prefer to simply create prophecies and such, much like the nightwings during the dragonet prophecy arc or wings of fire.
Yeah, I always wanted a backstory to this. I think it would have been much cooler if Jayfeather traveled back to those Great clans instead of the tribe
I mean in some books we do see that StarClan is getting the prophecies from somewhere but that would be amazing. Unfortunately, it;s a bit late in the series but it would have been cool to maybe have them as like deities
It's a wonder how they can forget about all of these things with such potential and instead of writing about actual good ideas they make more books about traveling to the _tribe._
Who even likes reading stuff about travelling? Every time a cat travels there's always going to be something to attack them - like a dog or some excuse so they make the chapter longer, or if we're talking about 'The new prophecy', the whole f***ing SERIES longer
@@mulduls That, and the fact that the Tribe is supposed to have their own society and run it their way yet the Erin's always make it seem like they need to adapt a warriors' way of life of they won't survive. There's more to living than Clans
1.Imagine if the warriors writers forgot about Sol’s promise about coming back: that would be awkward 2.If Cinderheart/pelt was reincarnated shouldn’t Jayfeather be because he wanted to be a warrior?
Haha real awkward, sol never came back. He probably just casually died because he was unnable to hunt for himself, wich was the most probable thing to happen. Don't think he'll ever have his revenge.. awkwarddd!
@@avanillacoke3705 I agree. Jayfeather is a reincarnation so it wouldn’t make sense to reincarnate him again. Plus, we all know we’ll never get rid of Jayfeather.
@@elliel4736 Wait, did I actually find someone else who reads Spirit Animals!? Other than on the small Amino and actually searching for it (and typically failing to find anything new), I don't think I've actually found anyone else.
@@elliel4736 I do think that Spirit Animals did better at consistency than Warriors. Also, the issues mainly seem to be in certain books: The Burning Tide and Dragon's Eye are two examples. Other books do seem to be pretty good, though, inconsistencies are really just occasionally eye colours (although not as bad as Warriors) and uncertain times (such as Rise and Fall, at different points, saying that it's been either only a couple of months or a whole year since Wild Born).
If Millie was vaccinated, it makes sense why she would lose the immunity after a year. Some vaccines/meds work only for a year (for example: vaccine against rabies) and they have to be re-done every new year.
And that would be fine, if not for her lack of reaction to getting sick (most likely for the first time in her life). The idea is just forgotten and everybody acts like she was always susceptible to diseases
@@maokreatywne4059 I think she would’ve still reacted. Maybe she would’ve been like “I don’t have a vaccination, oh no, now I have green cough.” Or something.
@@jaguartrax5256 So if she lived less than 3 years (or didn’t have green cough at all after those 3 years) IF she got a 3-year, it may have just been forgotten by the Erins
It’s insane how many medicine cats there are that originally were/wanted to be warriors, specifically in Thunderclan (goosefeather, spottedleaf, yellowfang, cinderpelt, Jayfeather, alderheart) But I guess cinderpelt was the only one who “was supposed to be a warrior” or whatever so she gets reincarnated
Cinderpelt was the only one who didn’t have a connection with Starclan. Not even Starclan themselves knew she would get hit by a monster like that. Though, now I wonder what determines whether or not a cat has a connection with Starclan..
I mean, technically Jayfeather was a warrior. In his past life as Jay wing, he was the then equivalent of a warrior I guess. So technically star’clan or whoever made that choice was like “Ok so we’re definitely gonna bring him back, but imagine how funny it’d be if he were blind.”
It was confirmed that Jay was blind due to genetics so I’d argue he should be reincarnated again following Starclan logic also Firestar had a connection with Starclan but still got to be a warrior so Goosefeather should also be reincarnated Also I agree would it be more powerful if a medicine cat chose that path it feels scummy plan to force cats into a roll they didn’t want
Deaf Snowkit had a sister named Mistlekit, IS NO ONE GONNA ACKNOWLEDGE THIS? Edit: but seriously, I feel bad for Speckletail, she lost both of her kits from her second litter :’(
Mistlekit was never named in the books, her only appearance being in Fire and Ice, she suffered from white cough but recovered afterwards. It never mentions how she dies or anything, she just appeared in one book and literally disappeared in the next. It’s almost like they forgotten her so they could do that subplot about Snowkit being deaf and Speckletail being too old to have anymore kits?
The queens don't have to tell the father rule probably got ditched because in Bluestar's super edition Thrushpelt covered for her. That and I feel like that rule would easily cause the cats to question queens who don't have an obvious father.
Your second sentence is totally correct, in Blackfoot's Reckoning it's shown that he was teased for being half-Clan/half kittypet because his mother never revealed who his father was (when, in reality, it was because his father was already in a relationship and didn't want to be outed as a cheater)
Clan: Who's the father? Queen: Uhh... I actually don't know kek. That happened with a mama cat outside with a bunch of unfixed males. Her kits ended up looking like a couple of different males in the area.
Maybe Leafpool was so clearly sad over Ashfur's death because it's her job as a medicine cat to save and protect her clan, but she lost a clanmate in a way that she could do nothing about. The whole clan is her family, and it's her job to keep them healthy and alive, so that might explain why Jayfeather mentioned that her sadness was like that of a mother losing her kit.
Med cats are a lot like mothers/fathers of the clan..they care for their clan mates and keep everyone well, whilst feeling responsible when ever one dies! She also is the sister of squirrelflight, ashfur was very connected to her sister so she was likely good enough friends with him too. All of this together creates a strong mix of grief.
I have a theory on Leafpool and Squilf’s telepathy. I think that after it was no longer needed as much, the connection faded away. On the other hand, I agree with what she said about how it could’ve been helpful. I think that this plot point is little bit like how the Three’s power didn’t work anymore after the Great Battle. Correct me if I’m wrong though, because I haven’t reread some of these books in a while.
It really annoys me how many things the Erins just dropped. Lionclan, Tigerclan, and Leopardclan hardly get any attention, the ancients, cool villains like Sol, etc. Honestly the idea of the Great Clans being above StarClan and sending _them_ prophecies and such is really cool, and I just wish the Erins did more with them. Yes, Lionclan and Tigerclan get their show in The Prophecies Begin, but apart from Leopardstar, Graypaw accidentally calling it Spottyclan, and of course Secrets of the Clans, Leopardclan got almost zero attention whatsoever. It's not fair that the Erins just forget or drop really neat or interesting concepts like this.
@@gracekim1998 that’s dawn of the clans which talks about the current clans and how they were formed like Skyclan, Shadowclan,Windclan,Thunderclan and Riverclan. What Sad,Ghost means is about the ancient clans made of tigers,leopards and lions that was spoke too be no twoleg would be in their territory.
I've always found the Tigerstar and Darkstripe scene really funny for some reason. Like... they CAN meet up, they do it right there, but Tigerstar literally just says 'no no we can't do this it's not how it works' like dawg what are you talking about
A plot that didn't go anywhere was Leafpool's strong connection to Starclan being abnormal/mentioned as different. Besides finding the moon pool, I've always felt that Leafpool should've became Midnight and Rock's apprentice. Joining them and the ancients with a further knowledge of power Starclan lacks. I have an AU that Leafpool is behind the events of TBC, and is actually the cat with all the powers. Controlling Ashfur in the process. This is due to her being wronged by the code and Starclan and her death is pretty much Bramblestar's fault. She's actually the ones with powers. Ashfur being sent down to find Leafpool's ghost after Leafpool rejects Starclan and her body is too injured to return to leaving her as a ghost. Explains why Ashfur was sent in the first place (as one of the books mention him being sent to solve a problem or something, who better to send than they guy who nearly murdered your family to show Starclan is forgiving) Ashfur and Leafpool then team up to make the new villain duo. Leafpool's goal may be to gain a new body herself and finally get to be with Crowfeather or possibly her goal is just to change the code so no more are hurt like she was. Nevertheless, I feel it's fitting that Leafpool, once defeated, joins the ranks of Rock (spirit of the mountain) and Midnight (spirit of the sea). Now simply called Leaf (spirit of the forest).
Some more forgotten things: - renaming a warrior ceremony. Idk how often it happened before but Oneeye (I think ?) told Firestar about it, when he gave Brightheart her name - every aprentice had to travel to the moonstone at least once. Eversince they traveled to the lake, nobody travels to the moon pool. Are only medcats & leaders allowed now to talk to their ancients ? - giving tongues. It happened in the first book & never again - do aprentices still have to go through a final test, to prove they are ready to become warriors ?
Maybe I havent read that far yet (I'm still at Power of 3) but did something happen ? Idk maybe something like some cat almost drowned or....? I cant recall any aprentice who isnt a medicine cat going to the moonpool, yet they travel to the moonstone in book 1. Why ?
I can't remember if they called it a vigil, but after the warrior ceremony they used to have to guard the camp in silence. I couldn't tell you the last book I read where that happened.
@@cassiemcadams4368 a lot of things have been happening in broken code so vigils have been put to a hold , if u have read broken code you can tell how chaotic it is. Squirrelflights Hope takes place in between broken code and a vision of shadows, they held vigils in there
oh I dont mean that they were related. I was just thinking that maybe the fact that they look similar touched Leafpool in a way. Like how you might see a doppelganger of someone and think its them.
@@Dont_support If genetics made any sense in Warriors, Leafpool would be red, Jayfeather would be red, and Hollyleaf would be tortoiseshell. Your logic doesn't make sense realistically. It sounds like, in your case, the odd-colored kittens probably had different fathers than the rest of their litters.
@@Dont_support Crowfeather is a smokey gray which is dark enough to be mistaken as black so Hollyleaf's colouration could come from him. Crowfeather's father Deadfoot also happens to be black
@@hyalophora Well, to get REALLY specific… Male cats can only inherit ginger from their mothers, Firestar’s mother had no ginger, Firestar’s entire direct family is brown. Or something similar idk. (Btw, this was NOT my info, but I believe in my sources, which were 2 different videos on this topic that both stated this fact and both stated that he would be brown or at the very least, not ginger.)
@@jamietheangryoctopus5938 You're right, if we include Nutmeg in there too then Firestar should be a brown tabby... and Jake is red, so Princess should be a tortie. It's kind of interesting to think about
I think she means plot wise, there's been no more talk about her or anything I guess? These seem to mostly be things that were forgotten in the books or dropped.
Apparently, the writers never forgot Millie’s knowledge on how to talk to dogs. But, since there would never be any inter species alliance, there was just no use for it. Can’t remember tho
Still I think so much could be done with it, imagine if clan cats apprenticies were learning basics in dog language to not start fights? Even without being allies, when travelling they could ask them for directions etc, such a great idea just pushed to the side!
Number 11. Cody. I feel like she could have been so much more, but she just left. Cody could have been something like Millie, or Daisy, but she could have taken on a clan name. I know she was unable to have kits, but honestly, she could have stayed after the battle with the dark forest to look after the kits. Another thing they could have done with her is that when she disappeared, she could have returned when Skyclan came to the lake as a random kittypet that they took in. She also could have joined Darktail, but that probably wouldn’t have made sense- Back to the skyclan thing. She could have been the next medicine cat if the erins JUST REMEMBERED ABOUT HER. ANOTHER FORGOTTEN PLOT POINT: Mousewhikers little crush on Minnowtail. I wonder what could have happened between them? They even trained in the dark forest together.
cody really loved her twolegs and didnt like the life in the forest sincr it was too difficult it makes sense why she didnt come back but i also really liked her and wanted her to play some role in the story😭
Nah, the tribe has really improved recently. I think we need a protagonist that either joins the tribe or takes a tribe cat as a mate and stays in the clans with them
The sister telepathy thing would have been fun to keep around! They're such good sisters to each other, and this power makes perfect sense for them, I don't get why it was scrapped so quickly.
HOW did the plot point of Slash end so weirdly in the Dawn Of The Clans? Like my guy tries to steal kits, fails, and then just leaves? I mean, COME ON. It would be cool if they continued his legacy through like a ancestor or something that passed on the knowledge of the clans, mother to daughter and father to son, kind of like the Skywatcher, but a lot longer. I think that forgetting about him was stupid, because he caused a lot of wreckage in the series. I don’t know, thanks for reading, sorry for using up your time. :P
I never forgot Sol, He's my favorate, not only did he trick the clans into madness, he did it in a smart way with words and not claws, and when was in the war, when he made Windclan and Thunderclan fight, he was defeated by Hollyleaf.
It’s dumb that it’s so clear that they don’t have a fact sheet for each character, which would make so much sense to see all the small things about their characters
But no, Spiresight just becomes an Ashfur puppet instead. *And if that means his soul is eternally bound to the Dark Forest while fuckin' Sunstrike gets to stay in StarClan, **_I SWEAR TO GOD-_*
I can understand that people might like her character, and she was a decent villain, but I'm pretty sure most people didn't like that she killed needletail
she made fun of her mother for being upset over her fathers death and she has like no morality or loyalty. She seems like a sociopath or a psychopath lmfao Edit: at least tigerstar I and brokenstar wanted to make shadowclan great but with evil ways. Mapleshade avenged her kits and Hawkfrost had ambition put into his head by tigerstar but he tried to help his brother. Sleekwhisker is just weird and psycho
I think I know the answer to Leafpool x Ashfur. In Leafpool's Wish, I don't remember the chapter or exact words for this, but I clearly remember her saying that she wished her sister had chosen Ashfur instead of Brambleclaw. She said this because she had seen Brambleclaw in the Dark Forest. Maybe Leafpool never trusted Brambleclaw and that's why she was sad when Ashfur died since Squirrelflight would always be Brambleclaw's mate. Also, that might be why she went against Bramblestar's word to not help any injured Sisters, because she didn't trust him. I hope that made sense and I'll edit this comment if I find the exact chapter and words Leafpool said in Leafpool's Wish.
@@metric_tundra1924 not every couple has to have kids lol. But I don't think a romantic ship would work out with them. Really close friend would work way better
Here are some more forgotten characters that I can remember: Smudge, Princess, Henry, Cody, Coal, and Hattie Hattie is a cat who was seen talking to Smudge in The Darkest Hour and came with Smudge when he decided to seek help from Firestar in Firestar's Quest. Smudge is a cat who begged for Rusty to stay as a kittypet but failed. He was seen talking to Hattie in Darkest Hour and went to Firestar for help in Firestar's Quest. He was later mentioned in Dawn by Cody. He is also my favorite cat and I wish he could have more time in the books. Henry was mentioned by Smudge in Into the Wild for capturing a Robin. Then Rusty just said how he just complains about bird because they disturb his dozing. Princess is Firestar's sister and appears in every TPB book except Into the Wild. Cody is a kittypet who was captured by the humans and temporarily joined the Clans and helped Ferncloud with Birchkit. She later left and never appeared again. Coal is a kittypet who was captured by the humans and later escaped after the big heist prison escape type thing and was never heard of or mentioned again.
I think that they remember Micah, as in they remember him as: 'That cat who had a fling with the first medicine cat' and not actually Micah, if that makes sense.
In a random "Warrior Cats facts" video I watched, it said the Erins had confirmed Sol with never return to the Clans. Ofc I have no way of proving this is true, and it might not be, but we don`t know. I think it`s more likely that whoever made that video thought Sol obviously wasn`t going to return, so they thought they could get away with claiming that the Erins had confirmed it. I do find it interesting that they worded it "to the Clans", though. That makes me think it could possibly be true, and Sol will return, just not to the Clans themselves. As much of a possibly interesting storyline that could be, I`m not convinced that`s going to happen at all. We still have no proper way of knowing for sure what will happen to Sol yet, so I guess we`ll just have to wait and see. Thx for reading!
I personally wouldn't trust any Warrior Cats '''facts'''' video ever, mostly because they almost never link any sources at all, and a lot of times those ''facts'' are just so absurd you know they are not true (Like the "Squirrelflight actually had Ashfur kits but they died at birth" thing, like :/) But I do admit I'm not oppose to the idea of sol returning, even if not necessarily to the clans (or ever), a super edition maybe? who knows.
@mrdoe97 Yeah. But it was resolved pretty quick and it was never brought up again. So what I’m saying is that it WAS technically resolved but never brought up again. And Daisy’s crush on Cloudtail was never mentioned after that. (And from what I remember Cloudtail and Brightheart didn’t interact much with Daisy afterwards.)
I thought leafpools grief over ashfur was more about knowing what hollyleaf did and grieving what it means for hollyleaf? Maybe my timeline is backwards
I remember someone went into the fact that Ashfur was in the medicine den after the fight with Badgers and they thought how Leafpool and Ashfur might have had a strong connection since then because of their lost loves and what could have been. That their emotional conflicts created something that might not have been love but a close connection. Like Bluestar's affection for Thrushpelt that could have been more but she left it at friendship
The most forgotten thing was Stormfur x squirrelpaw. He said to himself that the way he felt for Brook was stronger than how he felt for squirrelpaw. HE LOVED SQUIRRELPAW AND I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT REMEMBERS IT
i honestly always thought it was just jayfeather reading way too much into things about leafpool 'being in love with ashfur.' seems in character for him to jump to a conclusion like that tbh
I would love a series called Dawn Of the Tribe, covering the ancient lake cats, and maybe Midnight. Maybe Midnight is the reason for StarClan and the Tribe of Endless Hunting?
For me a forgotten plot point (though I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who remembers it) is the relationship between Nutwhisker and Fernshade. In Yellowfang's Secret, Brightflower mentions them hanging out together and says she hopes they will get together in the future. Then, suddenly Fernshade has kittens and everyone is like "oh, they're Wolfstep's, aren't they?". And that's fine! She's not obligated to love somebody a few people were shipping with her moons ago. The thing is nobody acknowledges the gossip anymore. She literally gets pregnant, then everyone's saying "yeah, Wolfstep is the father, that's obvious". Brightflower never shows disappointment, Nutwhisker is nor jealous nor happy for his friend (they could be a "talked once and are shipped" thing though), everyone simply forgets.
For the telepathy, maybe that was a thing granted by StarClan to help them on the quest, and it's like the powers in Power of 3 where once the abilities have served their purpose, it's gone?
Me and my friend came up with this theory: In the book Dawn, either Leafpaw or Squirrelpaw breaks the warrior code, (I forgot who) and after that, Leafpaw and Squirrelpaw loose their telepathy thingy. So whenever you break the Warrior Code, your power goes away. After Omen Of The Stars, Lionblaze, Dovewing, and Jayfeather all lose their power. Lionblaze and Jayfeather, because they were from a forbidden romance, and Dovewing because she basically married Tigerheart. Shadowsight, Dovewing and Tigerheart’s kit, got powers. All of which, were related too Leafpool.
9:15 some have theorized that Graystripe was reincarnated from Gray wing. He had two mates, a close friend (Thunder, Shadowstar, or Wind runner) one his mates died, he had a sickness or disorder (Gray wing had asthma Graystripe had an eating disorder) they were both deputy/leader at one point (Gray wing was Tall shadow’s deputy/assistant and Graystripe took over leadership in Firestar’s quest) And both their mother’s died
I'm pretty sure their was no Ashfur × Leafpool, like in genral, it wasen't even going to be a plot, when I was reading it, I always thought it was just foreshadowing how Leafpool had a mate, when she was a medicine cat, which she wasen't allowed to have
I’m happy you mentioned SleekWhisker because I was pretty bummed when she was forgotten too, I mean, she’s still out there with an various amount of the leftover Kin, so surely she’s still a threat? Especially with her chaotic, dangerous personality. I think she’d make a great villain- perhaps she’s been collecting more and more rouges to return to the Clans for another battle…but if the Erin’s choose to push her to the side, then I guess that’s what Au’s are for.
Cat ghosts are actually their secret gem half being their second life and the whole fading from being forgotten is a misunderstanding of either corruption or their universe glitching their existence even further than their sapience/partial gemness even is.
I actually really wish the three though that Ashfur was their father for a while. They even could have confronted Leafpool about it, or jayfeather could’ve thought that he was his father cause he was grey like him, since there’s no other light grey cats of Leafpool’s age that i know of. (Crowfeather is dark grey, so he doesn’t count)
Has really nobody noticed, that at one point rock said he was the first stoneteller ever, but a few chapters later he told Jayfeather to make Half Moon the first stoneteller ever?
the “Leafpool x Ashfur” thing is clearly just Leafpool feeling bad that her actions led to Ashfur’s death. obviously there were no feelings and I’m sure Jayfeather realized that too once he found out what Leafpool did
The Leafpool x Ashfur thing was just a misunderstanding on Jayfeather's part, I think. She was upset because she knew Hollyleaf had killed him. She concealed Hollyleaf's fur in the medicine den to save her daughter.
I wish more queens maintained non-disclosure of their kits’ fathers or let it be more subtle like some toms love their kits and mates but others aren’t interested in fathering despite being the sires of litters and that’s okay. Also I came across an amazing point before that mentioned that not naming fathers in clan culture would’ve enabled the clans to have more diverse gene pools with queens mating to toms outside of their clans or outside of clans in general. With fathers having to be named and the code forbidding mates outside of their own clan, that means gene pools would be incredibly small and each clan is full of closely related cats with the most distant relationship between any two cats in a clan is a sort of cousin and probably not even a large degree of distance. Not to mention, imagine brothers to queens being really fantastic and enthusiastic uncles! Although that would’ve made the Dustpelt/Ferncloud situation… toxic at best by human terms that most go by. However, I used to head canon, and maybe I still do, that each clans’ tiny gene pool explains otherwise impossible genetic oddities so common in Warriors, not to mention, it means each clan could in fact be more like separate breeds with, perhaps, a bit more variety than most actual human-created breeds.
oh my god that would be incredible. I kinda always wanted to make an AU where some of the cats who got screwed over by star clan just kinda went off to do their own thing, cats like Swiftpaw, Snowkit, and just all the cats who got screwed over by star clan
Ooh, that would be super fun considering he'd be returning right at a time when (from what we can tell from the blurb) things are changing and cats are questioning the warrior code/clan structure. Not sure if the Erins would want to bring back old villains two arcs in a row, though
Not to mention, that Lionclan, Tigerclan, and etc, were all just kinda thrown out the window after The Prophecies Begin. Like dang Lionheart that's crazy. Too bad they'll never be mentioned ever again...!
I think they included her grieving over AshFur, because she was upset and confused why HollyLeaf had killed him, in a prologue or epilogue, can’t remember which, they point out that she finds a tuft of fur between his claws, and she smells it, realizes who it is, and hides in in the back of the medicine store. They even bring up the fur in omen of the stars, JayFeather finds the fur and is confused why HollyLeaf’s fur is in the stores. And yes I know that happened afterward, but it’s possible it actually happened before, it wouldn’t be the first time the epilogues and prologues have been mixed up in the timeline.
It annoys me that in the Great Battle in the Last Hope that they didn’t come together as Lionclan because it’s almost the same as Scourge and Bloodclan or the Great Journey. I feel like it should be something when all clans come together during a dark time they should be called Lionclan. I also really like that line “Lionclan attack” or hearing that.
i feel like "tree being a mediator" belongs on here bc i cant think of a single time its been brought up this last arc. oh and the fact that he was one of the codebreakers listed originally.
Cinderpelt just had her leg broken and she was sad because she can't be a warrior but then she became a medicine cat and Yellowfang had to feel the pain of her entire clan, watch her daughters die, had to leave her mate behind and watch her clan that were like kits to her be destroyed by her own son. And yet she dosen't deserve a second better life in the eyes of Erins.
I never understood why Cinderpelt got a second life. So what if she had a bum leg from an accident she caused and couldn't be a warrior? What about Briarlight? She couldn't use either legs and couldn't even be a medicine cat!
personally, i believe the line with leafpool and jayfeather is great at displaying the juxtaposition between the two medicine cats’ views on life and their position in the clan. it is first stated in moth flight’s vision that a medicine cat is to love each clanmate with the same paternal protectiveness as a mother would have towards a kit - hence the line where jayfeather mentions leafpool’s sorrow as such. leafpool’s empathetic nature and maternal experiences allow her to understand and encompass that kind of platonic affection, whereas jayfeather has a much more difficult time grasping the concept. the line where he is assuming that leafpool may have loved ashfur as a mate is showing exactly where jay’s social shortcomings are. of course, he cares for his clanmates. but as one shown time and time again to be emotionally inept despite his abilities, it is unfortunately a bond he won’t be able to ever fully comprehend. the line could also be interpreted as jayfeather’s repulsion to a medicine cat taking a mate, which would set up - of course - the later plot point of him discovering his heritage (and perhaps his own short-lived infatuation with half moon).
Fun fact: the telepathy between Squirrelflight and Leafpool was confirmed to be a gift from StarClan so that the travelling cats could stay in touch with the clans. It was also confirmed to have been taken away when Squirrelflight got back from the sea.
I would love a another story line of hiding the father even if we new who it was and he was like a kitty pet or loner but doesn't join the clans and the clan cats have thoughts about who it is but the she cat never gives a straight answer, even if its a miner plot it would be fun to bring that mystery back
I didn’t know about the “cats in the Dark Forest walk alone” thing, but now I like to think Tigerstar said that just so Darkstripe would leave him alone
Lmbo
“I’ve had enough of you, let’s just lie ti get you away :)”
Tigerstar couldn't handle darkstripe having a crush on him and needed some time alone to think on his marage proposal
Tea darkstripe was a little
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Clingy
Hahaha it was a line tigerstar made up to get rid of darkstripe simp now everything makes sense XD
Cinderpelt: *is reincarnated because she *obviously* didn't have a good enough life*
Swiftpaw: Am I joke to you?
@@Dont_support took the words straight out of my mouth.
yep, just chose swift paw off the top of my head, but all the unjust deaths, all the kits that die of greencough or whatever, and they chose *cinderpelt*.
@@Dont_support Hopekit, Wishkit, DandelionKit, Juniperkit, RedTail, Briarlight..
Really any apprentice or kit that died deserved to have a second chance
Molepaw, Seedpaw, Mistlekit, Elderkit, Tulipkit, Pikepaw, Primrosepaw, Hollykit, Larchkit
Cinderpelt: loses the ability to move one leg, becomes a med cat
Starclan: omg we need to give her another chance
Briarlight: loses ability to move her whole lower body and just kind of exists in the clan, not a warrior or med cat
Starclan: who's that again?
*Press F to pay respects* F
Wishkit and Hopekit: we also have some questions
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Tigerstar: "Don't try to follow me. Cats have no friends or allies here. They must walk their path of shadows alone."
Also Tigerstar a few books later: We shall make a group against everyone
Probably said that just to get away from Darkstripe.
@@Dragonemperess Respectfully, Darkstripe was a Simp
@@coralrose5754 Oh don't we know it. He was down bad for Tigerstar. Sometimes I feel sorry for him. But then I remember that he tried poisoning Sorrelkit, and it all goes away.
lol
TigerStar making that rule: With all due respect, Darkstripe, Get lost.
fun theory that leafpool felt so much grief over ashfur because she was feeling the overwhelming emotions from squirrelflight due to their connection
Oooooo I love that so much! Yes yes yes, 100%
Ooo
Hmm never thought of that.. I actually love this idea!
oo i agree with that it makes sence!
yuh
Fans: Hey so, how about Sol?
Erins: Who?
I believe Erins said that they wanted to make him more misterious, so not giving him past of end is supposed to make him that
Mysterious**
I’m now fully convinced that the whole “forgotten cats fading” thing is actually outside of canon and just an excuse for the writers when they forget about cats
Same otherwise so many of the starclan cats would be gone. The cats die all the time so they can’t pass down stories of those who they have lost in the past leaving them forgotten.
Though they’re not starclan I’d expect fallen leaves and rock to be gone before they were even introduced. And same with half moon though I think it’s mentioned that she’s much more faded than others.
I think she was faded, but when jayfeather time traveled they got brought back (it would explain why half-moon says she owes her life to jay, ) @creepywaffles4783
Fans- Can we learn what happened to Sol?
Erins- another book about the Tribe? Of course!
Erins - midway writing book
Clover and her army - *storms the Erin house while screaming for Sol back when there’s a eclipse*
I love the tribe Ngl I like it more then sol by a lot, SLEEKWHISKER is who I REALLY want back idc ab sol xd
True lol
@@frostysart2274 sleekwhisker is the much much better mapleshade
Ehh I like both
What about yellowfang being able to feel other cats pain
She died so it didn’t really matter that much I guess.
I don’t ever remember that but I mean, that shows how forgotten it is
@@starkusa._.2276 It was shown in Yellowfang’s secret, if you haven’t read it I seriously recommend.
Or leafpool feeling squirrelflight's pain.
I headcanon she did feel pain until she died but she got control over the power by the time she joined ThunderClan. Kinda like how Jayfeather controlled his powers
I think Tigerstar lied to Darkstripe about walking alone because literally no one in the dark forest likes him and it gets mentioned how much he annoys everyone there lmao
That's what I was thinking
I miss the idea of Lionclan, Tigerclan, and Leopardclan. Imagine if these cool wild cat ancestors where the higher power that gives starclan prophecies and nobody sees solid evidence of their true existence as they are so detached from current clan cats that they prefer to simply create prophecies and such, much like the nightwings during the dragonet prophecy arc or wings of fire.
Yeah, I always wanted a backstory to this. I think it would have been much cooler if Jayfeather traveled back to those Great clans instead of the tribe
I was hoping they would intervene in the broken code actually. I always thought maybe Spotted Leaf joined them after her second death.
i hv my own theory that they are with moonclan (my own thing) with spottedleaf and such
As far as I’m concerned this headcanon is canon now
I mean in some books we do see that StarClan is getting the prophecies from somewhere but that would be amazing. Unfortunately, it;s a bit late in the series but it would have been cool to maybe have them as like deities
It's a wonder how they can forget about all of these things with such potential and instead of writing about actual good ideas they make more books about traveling to the _tribe._
Who even likes reading stuff about travelling? Every time a cat travels there's always going to be something to attack them - like a dog or some excuse so they make the chapter longer, or if we're talking about 'The new prophecy', the whole f***ing SERIES longer
It hurts because its true 😔
Though the Tribe itself isn’t bad. It’s the traveling TO the tribe that makes so many people hate it.
@@mulduls That, and the fact that the Tribe is supposed to have their own society and run it their way yet the Erin's always make it seem like they need to adapt a warriors' way of life of they won't survive. There's more to living than Clans
Tribe [derogatory]
1.Imagine if the warriors writers forgot about Sol’s promise about coming back: that would be awkward
2.If Cinderheart/pelt was reincarnated shouldn’t Jayfeather be because he wanted to be a warrior?
Jayfeather already was reincarnated once he dies he deserves to go to the after life
She wasn’t supposed to be injured
He was meant to be blind so no
Haha real awkward, sol never came back. He probably just casually died because he was unnable to hunt for himself, wich was the most probable thing to happen. Don't think he'll ever have his revenge.. awkwarddd!
@@avanillacoke3705 I completely forgot about that so now I think he should
@@avanillacoke3705 I agree. Jayfeather is a reincarnation so it wouldn’t make sense to reincarnate him again. Plus, we all know we’ll never get rid of Jayfeather.
Starclan: here you go Cinderpelt a sacont life
Snowkit: what about me
Starclan: you alredy had your chance!
hhhhhhh
Why-
Same with Mosskit.
perchkit, blossomkit, adderkit, swampkit
StOp nAmInG dEd kItS
This is what happens when there's little to no communication between authors
It's even worse in series like 39 clues and Spirit Animals, whole checov's guns are thrown out in those.
There isn’t?!
@@elliel4736 Wait, did I actually find someone else who reads Spirit Animals!? Other than on the small Amino and actually searching for it (and typically failing to find anything new), I don't think I've actually found anyone else.
@@sagefeather3405 I haven't read them in a long time, and I never read the second series. I liked them a lot when I was younger though.
@@elliel4736 I do think that Spirit Animals did better at consistency than Warriors. Also, the issues mainly seem to be in certain books: The Burning Tide and Dragon's Eye are two examples. Other books do seem to be pretty good, though, inconsistencies are really just occasionally eye colours (although not as bad as Warriors) and uncertain times (such as Rise and Fall, at different points, saying that it's been either only a couple of months or a whole year since Wild Born).
If Millie was vaccinated, it makes sense why she would lose the immunity after a year. Some vaccines/meds work only for a year (for example: vaccine against rabies) and they have to be re-done every new year.
And that would be fine, if not for her lack of reaction to getting sick (most likely for the first time in her life). The idea is just forgotten and everybody acts like she was always susceptible to diseases
@@MissDako maybe she knew that it's only for a year? She was like, 2-4, so she knew that she has to be vaccinated every year to be immune
@@maokreatywne4059 I think she would’ve still reacted. Maybe she would’ve been like “I don’t have a vaccination, oh no, now I have green cough.” Or something.
There is a 3 year rabies vac that lasts longer, just thought I'd mention
@@jaguartrax5256 So if she lived less than 3 years (or didn’t have green cough at all after those 3 years) IF she got a 3-year, it may have just been forgotten by the Erins
It’s insane how many medicine cats there are that originally were/wanted to be warriors, specifically in Thunderclan (goosefeather, spottedleaf, yellowfang, cinderpelt, Jayfeather, alderheart)
But I guess cinderpelt was the only one who “was supposed to be a warrior” or whatever so she gets reincarnated
Cinderpelt was the only one who didn’t have a connection with Starclan. Not even Starclan themselves knew she would get hit by a monster like that. Though, now I wonder what determines whether or not a cat has a connection with Starclan..
I mean, technically Jayfeather was a warrior. In his past life as Jay wing, he was the then equivalent of a warrior I guess. So technically star’clan or whoever made that choice was like
“Ok so we’re definitely gonna bring him back, but imagine how funny it’d be if he were blind.”
It was confirmed that Jay was blind due to genetics so I’d argue he should be reincarnated again following Starclan logic also Firestar had a connection with Starclan but still got to be a warrior so Goosefeather should also be reincarnated
Also I agree would it be more powerful if a medicine cat chose that path it feels scummy plan to force cats into a roll they didn’t want
The only medicine cat that wanted to be a medicine cat in Thunderclan since TPB was Leafpool.
And that is truly sad in itself
Deaf Snowkit had a sister named Mistlekit,
IS NO ONE GONNA ACKNOWLEDGE THIS?
Edit: but seriously, I feel bad for Speckletail, she lost both of her kits from her second litter :’(
Mistle who?
That would require us to acknowledge ALL the kits who were present for one minute and then never again
Swiftpaw also had a brother called Lynxkit.
@@dinolil1474 I think that might’ve been a retcon but the reason for it is completely unknown to me.
Mistlekit was never named in the books, her only appearance being in Fire and Ice, she suffered from white cough but recovered afterwards. It never mentions how she dies or anything, she just appeared in one book and literally disappeared in the next. It’s almost like they forgotten her so they could do that subplot about Snowkit being deaf and Speckletail being too old to have anymore kits?
Imagine if Sleekwhisker and Sol teamed up
YES
Bad for the clans, good for the content
A strategist and a brute would be epic
Sol uses his cunning and charm to win cats over, and Sleekwhisker absolutely gores anyone who shows treason.
@@mochamonster6956 YES
The queens don't have to tell the father rule probably got ditched because in Bluestar's super edition Thrushpelt covered for her. That and I feel like that rule would easily cause the cats to question queens who don't have an obvious father.
Your second sentence is totally correct, in Blackfoot's Reckoning it's shown that he was teased for being half-Clan/half kittypet because his mother never revealed who his father was (when, in reality, it was because his father was already in a relationship and didn't want to be outed as a cheater)
Clan: Who's the father?
Queen: Uhh... I actually don't know kek.
That happened with a mama cat outside with a bunch of unfixed males. Her kits ended up looking like a couple of different males in the area.
@@ModestNeko lol
I really want to see more of Sleekwhisker and the remaining Kin. Maybe they could group up with Sol?
I would love that, sleekwhisker is really interesting
I hate sol, but maybe it would be a good comeback
Yeah but that would require them to remember who was in the Kin other than Sleekwhisker and that’s too much work for them.
Remember Roach?
Didn't Sleekwhisker get killed by Tawnypelt in AVOS
@@mcytfan1415 no she just ran away after killing her granddad
And I’m sad cause I want more Girlboss Tawnypelt
I believe Sol is still out there and they are going to bring him back somehow
I hope so
I hope, he was a great villain
Imagine if in the next arc, him and Sleekwhisker join up and begin working to rebuild the kin and destroy the clans in revenge
@@rowanheart8122 I dont think it will be, because isnt the next arc supposed to be them rewriting the cod?
Yeah same I hope he makes a return
Maybe Leafpool was so clearly sad over Ashfur's death because it's her job as a medicine cat to save and protect her clan, but she lost a clanmate in a way that she could do nothing about.
The whole clan is her family, and it's her job to keep them healthy and alive, so that might explain why Jayfeather mentioned that her sadness was like that of a mother losing her kit.
Med cats are a lot like mothers/fathers of the clan..they care for their clan mates and keep everyone well, whilst feeling responsible when ever one dies! She also is the sister of squirrelflight, ashfur was very connected to her sister so she was likely good enough friends with him too. All of this together creates a strong mix of grief.
I'd say it makes sense as Cinderpelt told fireheart that the whole clan would be like her kits.
I have a theory on Leafpool and Squilf’s telepathy. I think that after it was no longer needed as much, the connection faded away. On the other hand, I agree with what she said about how it could’ve been helpful. I think that this plot point is little bit like how the Three’s power didn’t work anymore after the Great Battle. Correct me if I’m wrong though, because I haven’t reread some of these books in a while.
I agree, also hii Frannces I'm a fan
AAAAAA one of my favorite youtubers commenting on another favorite youtubers video!?!? this is so sigma! 🙀🙀🙀
FRANNCES?
It really annoys me how many things the Erins just dropped. Lionclan, Tigerclan, and Leopardclan hardly get any attention, the ancients, cool villains like Sol, etc. Honestly the idea of the Great Clans being above StarClan and sending _them_ prophecies and such is really cool, and I just wish the Erins did more with them. Yes, Lionclan and Tigerclan get their show in The Prophecies Begin, but apart from Leopardstar, Graypaw accidentally calling it Spottyclan, and of course Secrets of the Clans, Leopardclan got almost zero attention whatsoever. It's not fair that the Erins just forget or drop really neat or interesting concepts like this.
Anybody remmeber when in first books everyone talked about Lionclan, Tigerclan and Leopardclan? That must be the most forgoten thing in books
But didn’t they do a series about the first clans
@@gracekim1998 that’s dawn of the clans which talks about the current clans and how they were formed like Skyclan, Shadowclan,Windclan,Thunderclan and Riverclan. What Sad,Ghost means is about the ancient clans made of tigers,leopards and lions that was spoke too be no twoleg would be in their territory.
Yeah I can't stop thinking about it! In my headcannon Midnight and Rock are reincarnations from 2 of these clans
I've always found the Tigerstar and Darkstripe scene really funny for some reason. Like... they CAN meet up, they do it right there, but Tigerstar literally just says 'no no we can't do this it's not how it works' like dawg what are you talking about
A plot that didn't go anywhere was Leafpool's strong connection to Starclan being abnormal/mentioned as different. Besides finding the moon pool, I've always felt that Leafpool should've became Midnight and Rock's apprentice. Joining them and the ancients with a further knowledge of power Starclan lacks.
I have an AU that Leafpool is behind the events of TBC, and is actually the cat with all the powers. Controlling Ashfur in the process. This is due to her being wronged by the code and Starclan and her death is pretty much Bramblestar's fault.
She's actually the ones with powers. Ashfur being sent down to find Leafpool's ghost after Leafpool rejects Starclan and her body is too injured to return to leaving her as a ghost. Explains why Ashfur was sent in the first place (as one of the books mention him being sent to solve a problem or something, who better to send than they guy who nearly murdered your family to show Starclan is forgiving)
Ashfur and Leafpool then team up to make the new villain duo. Leafpool's goal may be to gain a new body herself and finally get to be with Crowfeather or possibly her goal is just to change the code so no more are hurt like she was.
Nevertheless, I feel it's fitting that Leafpool, once defeated, joins the ranks of Rock (spirit of the mountain) and Midnight (spirit of the sea). Now simply called Leaf (spirit of the forest).
Sounds cool
Aw dude, that's so much more badass than just dropping a rockfall on her and calling it a day.
Some more forgotten things:
- renaming a warrior ceremony. Idk how often it happened before but Oneeye (I think ?) told Firestar about it, when he gave Brightheart her name
- every aprentice had to travel to the moonstone at least once. Eversince they traveled to the lake, nobody travels to the moon pool.
Are only medcats & leaders allowed now to talk to their ancients ?
- giving tongues. It happened in the first book & never again
- do aprentices still have to go through a final test, to prove they are ready to become warriors ?
When they got to the lake they stopped the apprentices from going to the moon pool
Maybe I havent read that far yet (I'm still at Power of 3) but did something happen ?
Idk maybe something like some cat almost drowned or....?
I cant recall any aprentice who isnt a medicine cat going to the moonpool, yet they travel to the moonstone in book 1. Why ?
@@tigerlowe5002 idk they decided to save moopool for leaders and medicene cats bc it’s really sacred and they didn’t want anyone going
I can't remember if they called it a vigil, but after the warrior ceremony they used to have to guard the camp in silence. I couldn't tell you the last book I read where that happened.
@@cassiemcadams4368 a lot of things have been happening in broken code so vigils have been put to a hold , if u have read broken code you can tell how chaotic it is. Squirrelflights Hope takes place in between broken code and a vision of shadows, they held vigils in there
For the Ashfur x Leafpool one. A good cover up could be the resemblance between Jayfeather and Ashfur. That’s like… the best I could think of…
oh I dont mean that they were related. I was just thinking that maybe the fact that they look similar touched Leafpool in a way. Like how you might see a doppelganger of someone and think its them.
@@Dont_support If genetics made any sense in Warriors, Leafpool would be red, Jayfeather would be red, and Hollyleaf would be tortoiseshell. Your logic doesn't make sense realistically. It sounds like, in your case, the odd-colored kittens probably had different fathers than the rest of their litters.
@@Dont_support Crowfeather is a smokey gray which is dark enough to be mistaken as black so Hollyleaf's colouration could come from him. Crowfeather's father Deadfoot also happens to be black
@@hyalophora Well, to get REALLY specific…
Male cats can only inherit ginger from their mothers, Firestar’s mother had no ginger, Firestar’s entire direct family is brown. Or something similar idk.
(Btw, this was NOT my info, but I believe in my sources, which were 2 different videos on this topic that both stated this fact and both stated that he would be brown or at the very least, not ginger.)
@@jamietheangryoctopus5938 You're right, if we include Nutmeg in there too then Firestar should be a brown tabby... and Jake is red, so Princess should be a tortie. It's kind of interesting to think about
I remember making this really weird convoluted theory that Rock was also Jayfeather
Wait how would that work
Based off celestialtabris's theory i assume
Wot
@@siqxyre8473 who?
@@strawberryfrappe3396 I have no clue I forgot
I honestly really want them to bring back Sleekwhisker
I feel Sleekwhisker has a better shot since it was only last arc
@@dragonstouch1042 If shes back I think she'll come back with allies
@@Ash-yl3zc Didn't she already come back in river of fire with a bunch of rogues and then run away
@@Clooover river of fire was long ago, like 2 arcs ago
@@kl0diana136 not at the time I wrote that
i don't think sleekwhisker was forgotten by the fandom, the amount of MAPs there are out there for her...
I think she means plot wise, there's been no more talk about her or anything I guess? These seem to mostly be things that were forgotten in the books or dropped.
Apparently, the writers never forgot Millie’s knowledge on how to talk to dogs. But, since there would never be any inter species alliance, there was just no use for it. Can’t remember tho
Still I think so much could be done with it, imagine if clan cats apprenticies were learning basics in dog language to not start fights? Even without being allies, when travelling they could ask them for directions etc, such a great idea just pushed to the side!
Number 11. Cody.
I feel like she could have been so much more, but she just left. Cody could have been something like Millie, or Daisy, but she could have taken on a clan name. I know she was unable to have kits, but honestly, she could have stayed after the battle with the dark forest to look after the kits.
Another thing they could have done with her is that when she disappeared, she could have returned when Skyclan came to the lake as a random kittypet that they took in. She also could have joined Darktail, but that probably wouldn’t have made sense-
Back to the skyclan thing. She could have been the next medicine cat if the erins JUST REMEMBERED ABOUT HER.
ANOTHER FORGOTTEN PLOT POINT: Mousewhikers little crush on Minnowtail. I wonder what could have happened between them? They even trained in the dark forest together.
Cody was the best 🥺
cody really loved her twolegs and didnt like the life in the forest sincr it was too difficult it makes sense why she didnt come back but i also really liked her and wanted her to play some role in the story😭
Idea: *The tribe gets decimated and never comes back except for Feather*
F for stormfur then
Nah, the tribe has really improved recently. I think we need a protagonist that either joins the tribe or takes a tribe cat as a mate and stays in the clans with them
The sister telepathy thing would have been fun to keep around! They're such good sisters to each other, and this power makes perfect sense for them, I don't get why it was scrapped so quickly.
HOW did the plot point of Slash end so weirdly in the Dawn Of The Clans? Like my guy tries to steal kits, fails, and then just leaves? I mean, COME ON. It would be cool if they continued his legacy through like a ancestor or something that passed on the knowledge of the clans, mother to daughter and father to son, kind of like the Skywatcher, but a lot longer. I think that forgetting about him was stupid, because he caused a lot of wreckage in the series. I don’t know, thanks for reading, sorry for using up your time. :P
I agee with you bro i also hate how the dawn of clans ended it jst didnt feel complete and i kinda hope they are gonna do more books about it
Slash was a dumb villain, I'm glad they got rid of him as quickly as they did.
I never forgot Sol, He's my favorate, not only did he trick the clans into madness, he did it in a smart way with words and not claws, and when was in the war, when he made Windclan and Thunderclan fight, he was defeated by Hollyleaf.
I don’t really think Sleekwhisker and Sol are lost, they just left the clan territory lol
I like that Sol and Sleekwhisker were listed as forgotten and now they’re favorites of the fandom
Legend has it that Rock still waits in his cave, endlessly waiting to be mentioned in the books again...
It’s dumb that it’s so clear that they don’t have a fact sheet for each character, which would make so much sense to see all the small things about their characters
Spiresight deserves get a super edition
Yes
But no, Spiresight just becomes an Ashfur puppet instead. *And if that means his soul is eternally bound to the Dark Forest while fuckin' Sunstrike gets to stay in StarClan, **_I SWEAR TO GOD-_*
I personally think Leafpool was just sad her clan mate died
I think she was sad because she knew Hollyleaf had done it.
@@fabplays6559 fair point but he said it’s a page before she even knew anyone killed him
CharBrowni Didn’t she find the black fur between his claws before she discovered the wound, tho?
@@fabplays6559 no I don’t think so but I might be wrong
I believe that it was because she knew Squirrelflight and Ashfur were close before
*Sometimes, i wonder why people didint like sleekwhisker.*
I can understand that people might like her character, and she was a decent villain, but I'm pretty sure most people didn't like that she killed needletail
she made fun of her mother for being upset over her fathers death and she has like no morality or loyalty. She seems like a sociopath or a psychopath lmfao
Edit: at least tigerstar I and brokenstar wanted to make shadowclan great but with evil ways. Mapleshade avenged her kits and Hawkfrost had ambition put into his head by tigerstar but he tried to help his brother. Sleekwhisker is just weird and psycho
@@flamindorito You have a point, but what if She were good?
@@cloudyyi Completely irrelevant, she's not good, she's evil, so that is irrelevant and does not need an answer.
Is it bad I don’t remember s l e e k w h i s k e r?
I think I know the answer to Leafpool x Ashfur. In Leafpool's Wish, I don't remember the chapter or exact words for this, but I clearly remember her saying that she wished her sister had chosen Ashfur instead of Brambleclaw. She said this because she had seen Brambleclaw in the Dark Forest. Maybe Leafpool never trusted Brambleclaw and that's why she was sad when Ashfur died since Squirrelflight would always be Brambleclaw's mate. Also, that might be why she went against Bramblestar's word to not help any injured Sisters, because she didn't trust him. I hope that made sense and I'll edit this comment if I find the exact chapter and words Leafpool said in Leafpool's Wish.
You know, I still really think that Midnight x Rock was cute, even if they aren't the same animal
That is kinda weird but you like what you like I guess
@@tracyaustin2129 not too weird if you consider the religious, forest dwelling talking cats with healthcare
@@terezi3558 I mean your not wrong
What would they make? Like, catgers? Badts?
@@metric_tundra1924 not every couple has to have kids lol. But I don't think a romantic ship would work out with them. Really close friend would work way better
Here are some more forgotten characters that I can remember: Smudge, Princess, Henry, Cody, Coal, and Hattie
Hattie is a cat who was seen talking to Smudge in The Darkest Hour and came with Smudge when he decided to seek help from Firestar in Firestar's Quest.
Smudge is a cat who begged for Rusty to stay as a kittypet but failed. He was seen talking to Hattie in Darkest Hour and went to Firestar for help in Firestar's Quest. He was later mentioned in Dawn by Cody. He is also my favorite cat and I wish he could have more time in the books.
Henry was mentioned by Smudge in Into the Wild for capturing a Robin. Then Rusty just said how he just complains about bird because they disturb his dozing.
Princess is Firestar's sister and appears in every TPB book except Into the Wild.
Cody is a kittypet who was captured by the humans and temporarily joined the Clans and helped Ferncloud with Birchkit. She later left and never appeared again.
Coal is a kittypet who was captured by the humans and later escaped after the big heist prison escape type thing and was never heard of or mentioned again.
I THOUGHT COAL WAS GONNA BE SOME KIND FOR VILLAIN OR SMTH
I would definitely rather have a Midnight super edition over Firestar’s Quest
I think that they remember Micah, as in they remember him as: 'That cat who had a fling with the first medicine cat' and not actually Micah, if that makes sense.
In a random "Warrior Cats facts" video I watched, it said the Erins had confirmed Sol with never return to the Clans. Ofc I have no way of proving this is true, and it might not be, but we don`t know. I think it`s more likely that whoever made that video thought Sol obviously wasn`t going to return, so they thought they could get away with claiming that the Erins had confirmed it. I do find it interesting that they worded it "to the Clans", though. That makes me think it could possibly be true, and Sol will return, just not to the Clans themselves. As much of a possibly interesting storyline that could be, I`m not convinced that`s going to happen at all. We still have no proper way of knowing for sure what will happen to Sol yet, so I guess we`ll just have to wait and see. Thx for reading!
I personally wouldn't trust any Warrior Cats '''facts'''' video ever, mostly because they almost never link any sources at all, and a lot of times those ''facts'' are just so absurd you know they are not true (Like the "Squirrelflight actually had Ashfur kits but they died at birth" thing, like :/) But I do admit I'm not oppose to the idea of sol returning, even if not necessarily to the clans (or ever), a super edition maybe? who knows.
@@ryctoneyad6243 um how old would Sol be?
Sol gets to the tribe?
@@gracekim1998 very old, greystripe is still alive, so i don't see will Sol wouldn't.
Maybe sol will go to the tribe, wreak havoc there, and we will have yet ANOTHER tribe book.
Fun fact, the cats fading when they die twice doesn’t even hold up. Spottedleaf was at Squirrelflight and Leafpools Starclan trial
Your right!
i kinda hate how some of the really cool things were dropped, like yellowfangs ability to feel others pain literally and the squirrel-leaf telepathy
Good video! I didn't know about the Leafpool × Ashfur ship, even though I read the book!
But I kinda missed the "Leopard-, Lion- and TigerClan" plot
You forgot the Cloudtail Brightheart and Daisy thing.
@mrdoe97 Yeah. But it was resolved pretty quick and it was never brought up again. So what I’m saying is that it WAS technically resolved but never brought up again. And Daisy’s crush on Cloudtail was never mentioned after that. (And from what I remember Cloudtail and Brightheart didn’t interact much with Daisy afterwards.)
I thought leafpools grief over ashfur was more about knowing what hollyleaf did and grieving what it means for hollyleaf? Maybe my timeline is backwards
Yellowfang doesn’t want to be forgotten so she appears ALL THE TIME. You can’t forget someone who was nagging you.
I remember someone went into the fact that Ashfur was in the medicine den after the fight with Badgers and they thought how Leafpool and Ashfur might have had a strong connection since then because of their lost loves and what could have been. That their emotional conflicts created something that might not have been love but a close connection. Like Bluestar's affection for Thrushpelt that could have been more but she left it at friendship
I honestly think telepathy was mostly a Starclan thing while they were apart
Though it could’ve been a good plot point
The most forgotten thing was Stormfur x squirrelpaw. He said to himself that the way he felt for Brook was stronger than how he felt for squirrelpaw. HE LOVED SQUIRRELPAW AND I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT REMEMBERS IT
I remember it! Stormflight or Squirrelfur would have been pretty cool if the Erin's went with that ship
also it would be pretty cute graystripe's son and firestar's daughter being mates
i honestly always thought it was just jayfeather reading way too much into things about leafpool 'being in love with ashfur.' seems in character for him to jump to a conclusion like that tbh
I would love a series called Dawn Of the Tribe, covering the ancient lake cats, and maybe Midnight. Maybe Midnight is the reason for StarClan and the Tribe of Endless Hunting?
For me a forgotten plot point (though I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who remembers it) is the relationship between Nutwhisker and Fernshade. In Yellowfang's Secret, Brightflower mentions them hanging out together and says she hopes they will get together in the future. Then, suddenly Fernshade has kittens and everyone is like "oh, they're Wolfstep's, aren't they?". And that's fine! She's not obligated to love somebody a few people were shipping with her moons ago. The thing is nobody acknowledges the gossip anymore. She literally gets pregnant, then everyone's saying "yeah, Wolfstep is the father, that's obvious". Brightflower never shows disappointment, Nutwhisker is nor jealous nor happy for his friend (they could be a "talked once and are shipped" thing though), everyone simply forgets.
For the telepathy, maybe that was a thing granted by StarClan to help them on the quest, and it's like the powers in Power of 3 where once the abilities have served their purpose, it's gone?
Me and my friend came up with this theory:
In the book Dawn, either Leafpaw or Squirrelpaw breaks the warrior code, (I forgot who) and after that, Leafpaw and Squirrelpaw loose their telepathy thingy. So whenever you break the Warrior Code, your power goes away. After Omen Of The Stars, Lionblaze, Dovewing, and Jayfeather all lose their power. Lionblaze and Jayfeather, because they were from a forbidden romance, and Dovewing because she basically married Tigerheart. Shadowsight, Dovewing and Tigerheart’s kit, got powers. All of which, were related too Leafpool.
9:15 some have theorized that Graystripe was reincarnated from Gray wing. He had two mates, a close friend (Thunder, Shadowstar, or Wind runner) one his mates died, he had a sickness or disorder (Gray wing had asthma Graystripe had an eating disorder) they were both deputy/leader at one point (Gray wing was Tall shadow’s deputy/assistant and Graystripe took over leadership in Firestar’s quest)
And both their mother’s died
I'm pretty sure their was no Ashfur × Leafpool, like in genral, it wasen't even going to be a plot, when I was reading it, I always thought it was just foreshadowing how Leafpool had a mate, when she was a medicine cat, which she wasen't allowed to have
I’m happy you mentioned SleekWhisker because I was pretty bummed when she was forgotten too, I mean, she’s still out there with an various amount of the leftover Kin, so surely she’s still a threat? Especially with her chaotic, dangerous personality. I think she’d make a great villain- perhaps she’s been collecting more and more rouges to return to the Clans for another battle…but if the Erin’s choose to push her to the side, then I guess that’s what Au’s are for.
Cat ghosts are actually their secret gem half being their second life and the whole fading from being forgotten is a misunderstanding of either corruption or their universe glitching their existence even further than their sapience/partial gemness even is.
I actually really wish the three though that Ashfur was their father for a while. They even could have confronted Leafpool about it, or jayfeather could’ve thought that he was his father cause he was grey like him, since there’s no other light grey cats of Leafpool’s age that i know of. (Crowfeather is dark grey, so he doesn’t count)
Has really nobody noticed, that at one point rock said he was the first stoneteller ever, but a few chapters later he told Jayfeather to make Half Moon the first stoneteller ever?
YES I’ve noticed?
I just want to tell (or remind) people that Sleekwhisker is Tigerstar’s great-granddaughter.
the “Leafpool x Ashfur” thing is clearly just Leafpool feeling bad that her actions led to Ashfur’s death. obviously there were no feelings and I’m sure Jayfeather realized that too once he found out what Leafpool did
The Leafpool x Ashfur thing was just a misunderstanding on Jayfeather's part, I think. She was upset because she knew Hollyleaf had killed him. She concealed Hollyleaf's fur in the medicine den to save her daughter.
but she found Hollyleaf's fur in his claws a page after that paragraph
Vi R Oop, nevermind. I don’t know, it’s very weird.
Mille - I can speak dog :D
Dovewing - my eye colour changed by accident
Everyone - WOAH OMG DOVEWING THAT IS SO COOL WTFF
Haha ikr
Sasha to erin hunter:Ur think millie,rock,sol,sleek whisker are forgotten? What about me
Me: Please i want to know what happened to Sleekwhisker my beloved
The Erins: Sleek who-
5:43 - i personally believe that leafpool was sad because she knows squilf will be sad, because squilf was once in love with ashfur.
Honestly I don’t think the dark forest cats must walk alone was forgotten, I just think tiger star wanted darkstripe to leave him the f alone 😂😂
I wish more queens maintained non-disclosure of their kits’ fathers or let it be more subtle like some toms love their kits and mates but others aren’t interested in fathering despite being the sires of litters and that’s okay.
Also I came across an amazing point before that mentioned that not naming fathers in clan culture would’ve enabled the clans to have more diverse gene pools with queens mating to toms outside of their clans or outside of clans in general.
With fathers having to be named and the code forbidding mates outside of their own clan, that means gene pools would be incredibly small and each clan is full of closely related cats with the most distant relationship between any two cats in a clan is a sort of cousin and probably not even a large degree of distance.
Not to mention, imagine brothers to queens being really fantastic and enthusiastic uncles! Although that would’ve made the Dustpelt/Ferncloud situation… toxic at best by human terms that most go by.
However, I used to head canon, and maybe I still do, that each clans’ tiny gene pool explains otherwise impossible genetic oddities so common in Warriors, not to mention, it means each clan could in fact be more like separate breeds with, perhaps, a bit more variety than most actual human-created breeds.
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I agree.
Wait. Leafpool haven’t you learned from your previous mistake? *cough* Crowfeather *cough*
I wonder if the new arc "A Starless Clan" is about Sol returning?
oh my god that would be incredible. I kinda always wanted to make an AU where some of the cats who got screwed over by star clan just kinda went off to do their own thing, cats like Swiftpaw, Snowkit, and just all the cats who got screwed over by star clan
@@goldenwillow3002 I can imagine him using his wise words to manipulate other cats to follow him. He'd make his own clan doing that.
@@TheSaint876 yeah, I was just mentioning the AU idea I had, I never really thought about Sol leading it, but that would be interesting
Ooh, that would be super fun considering he'd be returning right at a time when (from what we can tell from the blurb) things are changing and cats are questioning the warrior code/clan structure. Not sure if the Erins would want to bring back old villains two arcs in a row, though
@@saml815 Well if you read The Forgotten Warrior. You'll know that he said to Hollyleaf that he will return.
Not to mention, that Lionclan, Tigerclan, and etc, were all just kinda thrown out the window after The Prophecies Begin.
Like dang Lionheart that's crazy. Too bad they'll never be mentioned ever again...!
"run"
"no. i wont"
"..."
"please?"
"no. go away"
millie moment
I think they included her grieving over AshFur, because she was upset and confused why HollyLeaf had killed him, in a prologue or epilogue, can’t remember which, they point out that she finds a tuft of fur between his claws, and she smells it, realizes who it is, and hides in in the back of the medicine store. They even bring up the fur in omen of the stars, JayFeather finds the fur and is confused why HollyLeaf’s fur is in the stores. And yes I know that happened afterward, but it’s possible it actually happened before, it wouldn’t be the first time the epilogues and prologues have been mixed up in the timeline.
It annoys me that in the Great Battle in the Last Hope that they didn’t come together as Lionclan because it’s almost the same as Scourge and Bloodclan or the Great Journey. I feel like it should be something when all clans come together during a dark time they should be called Lionclan. I also really like that line “Lionclan attack” or hearing that.
i feel like "tree being a mediator" belongs on here bc i cant think of a single time its been brought up this last arc. oh and the fact that he was one of the codebreakers listed originally.
What if Leafpool was especially sad about Ashfur's death because of her telepathic link with Squirrelflight?
Cinderpelt just had her leg broken and she was sad because she can't be a warrior but then she became a medicine cat and Yellowfang had to feel the pain of her entire clan, watch her daughters die, had to leave her mate behind and watch her clan that were like kits to her be destroyed by her own son. And yet she dosen't deserve a second better life in the eyes of Erins.
I never understood why Cinderpelt got a second life. So what if she had a bum leg from an accident she caused and couldn't be a warrior? What about Briarlight? She couldn't use either legs and couldn't even be a medicine cat!
Wow I looved the concept for this video!! I'd be happy to have a second part!
But like first leaders first medicine cats things make sense but what about Gray wing when he literally named the clans
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i have one!!! daisy being in unrequited love with cloudtail is never really brought up again
Tell me you didn’t forget Lionclan Leopardclan and tigerclan. How the heck does it fit in though?
personally, i believe the line with leafpool and jayfeather is great at displaying the juxtaposition between the two medicine cats’ views on life and their position in the clan.
it is first stated in moth flight’s vision that a medicine cat is to love each clanmate with the same paternal protectiveness as a mother would have towards a kit - hence the line where jayfeather mentions leafpool’s sorrow as such. leafpool’s empathetic nature and maternal experiences allow her to understand and encompass that kind of platonic affection, whereas jayfeather has a much more difficult time grasping the concept. the line where he is assuming that leafpool may have loved ashfur as a mate is showing exactly where jay’s social shortcomings are. of course, he cares for his clanmates. but as one shown time and time again to be emotionally inept despite his abilities, it is unfortunately a bond he won’t be able to ever fully comprehend.
the line could also be interpreted as jayfeather’s repulsion to a medicine cat taking a mate, which would set up - of course - the later plot point of him discovering his heritage (and perhaps his own short-lived infatuation with half moon).
Fun fact: the telepathy between Squirrelflight and Leafpool was confirmed to be a gift from StarClan so that the travelling cats could stay in touch with the clans. It was also confirmed to have been taken away when Squirrelflight got back from the sea.
Confirmed where lol
I would love a another story line of hiding the father even if we new who it was and he was like a kitty pet or loner but doesn't join the clans and the clan cats have thoughts about who it is but the she cat never gives a straight answer, even if its a miner plot it would be fun to bring that mystery back
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