My M6 II is arriving today. My idea is to setup my M50 to the video studio and the M6 II for my photography and "on the street" video. Lets see how this goes. Thank you for the video comparison and wish you well
I love my M50, but after seeing so many videos recently on the M6, I have been blown away at how beautiful the 4K footage is; it takes my breath away; not to mention some awesome pics. You just can't beat the Canon colors! Even if it's upscaled a bit, and may be a bit softer than other brand 4K cameras, I just love how cinematic it looks! I'm still awestruck by one YTer's 4K 120fps footage of a moving train in the rain. I could have died and gone to heaven, it blew me away!! I do agree and appreciate what you said about the lens limitations in taking full advantage of the M6 sensor.
I think the overall comparison you did was very good. However I'm quite surprised at your comments regarding the M6 Mark 2 not having an advantage (with cheaper lenses) for photography. You could not be more wrong! I'll preface my following comments by saying I use cheap lenses (15-45mm kit lens, 22mm f/2, EF-s 55-250mm STM for birds in flight, 50mm f/1.8, 85mm f/1.8, 10-18mm and a few other similarly budget priced lenses). I have owned the M50 for over a year and I bought the M6 Mark 2 a few weeks ago and it is chalk and cheese. There's a massive advantage to the newer camera for photography. Its almost twice the price of the M50 in Australia, but it feels like twice the camera in the field. I always test new cameras, initially, by shooting birds in flight. The M6 Mk II has far better AF which seems to know what the subject is without guidance. It just jumps to the bird and locks on and OMG you can take a 20 shot burst with EVERY shot in focus. There is noticeably more detail in the wings and fine hair on the head and body. I could never just leave the M50 in tracking mode with all AF points active as it might focus on a tree or other background object. The M6 Mk II usually just grabs the bird and tracks. What's even more noticeable is the high ISO performance. There's slightly less noise at full resolution than there is on the M50, but by ISO 6400 on the M6 Mark 2, it has similar noise as the M50 at ISO 3200. However, forget the noise, the detail is so much better at higher ISOs, its crazy. Plus, you can downsize the image to 24MP and have significantly less noise with far greater detail than the M50 at the same image size. Shooting birds in trees (in a low light forest-like environment) at ISO 2000 is nothing for the M6 Mark 2. I would avoid that like the plague on my M50, M5 and 80D as the detail gets too mushy. There is a small step up in dynamic range at ISO 100, but it pulls away as you climb up the ISOs. So if you have to raise shadows at higher isos then there's an even bigger noise difference than the basic high ISO noise difference itself. The face detection works from a huge distance on the M6 Mark 2 and eye AF, although needs to be closer, works in continuous shooting with servo AF. The physical controls are vastly superior with more dials (one being multi-functional) and more customisable buttons. "From a photography point of view" the M6 Mark 2 is light years ahead of the M50. So better AF, usable eye detection, better dynamic range, better ISO performance, better handling, twice the burst rate, more customisation, better image quality... the M6 Mark 2 is a vastly superior camera for photography, even with cheap lenses. P.s. If you only view images to fit on the screen, you'll be lucky to see differences in detail between any 2 cameras. Zoom in to 100% if you want to compare and yes, you will see the M6 Mark 2 is superior.
Some great info there, particularly in regards to the functionality of the M6 Mark II in photography. I shot basic landscape and static subjects with that two cameras, both with the 15-45 and the 22mm and I could not see any difference in detail, and that’s zooming in on both in light room. I really wanted to see a difference, I just couldn’t see one, but that doesn’t take into account the functional advantages of the M6, which you have described well. Thanks for sharing all that, I I’ll try to make use of this information in a future video.
In all my honesty, the M6II's direct successor should definitely have its own native EVF & IBIS, but the succession has been grasped by the R7 😭 making that R7 feel OVERLY DISADVANTAGED, lens-wise because of the absent support of the venerable Sigma DC DN prime lenses, etc
Nice job! I'm still using both about the same amount. Every once in a while I switch back to the 4k video in the M50 because I need to take advantage of the crop factor that gives me the extra reach when shooting wildlife and I can't get close enough to get the shot. I just switch over to manual focus peaking. Looking forward to your next video. I have 2 videos left to shoot and I'll be done with my series. Keep up the good work.
Fantastic points of view, and very thorough and useful comparison. Kudos for putting this out. The M6 Mark ii does have a resolution advantage, and a really good sensor, but the resolution in the M50 is more than enough. The whole shortcoming for both of these cameras is the mount, and the limited native lens choices. As you said in your review, the M6 could/ should benefit from better lenses. Higher pixel count sensors really need good lenses. I’m not so opposed to the clip on viewfinder, as I had one on an Olympus Pen years ago. My take away is Canon should have offered more resolution in the clip on viewfinder. After all, this is the second one they made. Same for the real LCD. I believe your summary is about right on the ‘Mark,’ pun intended. 🙄😀☺️ Liked and Subscribed ! 👏🏻👍👍👍😁✌🏻🇺🇸📷
Good comparison video, Mark. I bought the M6 ii purely for video, and I have some EF and EFS lenses. I am actually surprised by the quality of stills this can take, but I am still not about to throw out my old 5d ii.
@@markwiemels Yeah, but for video, the M6 ii is much better. I make videos for Amazon Influencer and the 6 is great. The fact that i am looking just above the lens rather that to one side on my other old canon with articulated LCD is noticeably better. Do not do much YT lately because it doesn't pay the bills. Good luck with this channel. I appreciate the time you put into making a video.
A big THANK, to you, Mark, for this review and fine comparison between these two cameras! I surely needed your walk-through review in order to make the final choice between these two cameras! Stay blessed! Greetings from Sweden!
Been watching review videos & reading comparison pages on these cameras all week, but you laid it all out so neat and tidy, maybe a little long winded but covered all the topics a photographer already 'in the know' would care about, so thanks!
Ok will say the interval shooting mode has been around in Canon DSLR's for many years, my 80D has it (I use all the time for family group photos) and maybe even earlier iterations?
Thanks for a great video! I replaced my Sony A6000 with an M50, as I could get a great cheap very lightly used bundle with EF-S adapter and a Tamron 18-400mm lens. I use it as all-rounder for travels (landscape, portrait and wildlife, hence the longer reach to get to these smaller birds or big lizards on tall trees here in Australia). I'm feeling limited by the controls. I've remapped all the buttons, but am still missing one more dial. I'm completely baffled by Canon's strategy with screen (flip up/articulated), controls (expxosure dial on M3, 2 multifunctional dials on M6 MKII). And finally their product strategy with launching an m50 MKII with mere software updates and M6 MKII with a new sensor and a complete overhaul would have been perfect... without that's I see there will be no point of upgrading to M6 MKII, but rather stick to the original plan of maybe getting a 7D MKII with a Sigma 150-600 mm as a second body for birding at some point...
Recent M50 owner here (a bit more than month). I'll admit I do miss some of the M6 II features like 120fps in 1080p for one, but I'm a huge fan of the flip out screen, so I'll just be waiting for M50 mk II which is rumoured to be announced sometime at the end of this year. Hopefully Canon can learn what people like about the M50 and what people like about the M6 II and combine a nice new M50 mk II (or some say it might be M60) with best of both worlds!
Once I sell my M6 mark 1, I would buy a M6ii just so I can use the 4K video full screen (which I would need at times), and there are a number of other upgrade features. Also I have one of the Sigma m mount lenses and it is very sharp. Regarding putting a mic on M6ii camera, just add a side bar on base for $20. as side mount, then self vlog video is no problem. Very thorough and honest review. Thanks for posting!
both cameras are great, it's just personal preferences for each user. for me thou, the reasons for the m50 are one, the ev is in there just like any pro dslr but in a smaller form, two, the price for the m50 is cheaper but you get value with the feature that are included while the m6 if you want to have an ev in there you have to buy as an extra option. there are a lot of better features that i wish is included like a better 4k video but i can live with that. a satisfied user of the m50
Nice video, as always. I see that both of these cameras can shoot when tethered with the Canon Digital Photo Professional. Curious if you would ever do a video on this shooting method?
Really fantastic video. I am having major buyers remose regarding the M50ii , Im wondering if I should have gone with the M6ii. I take a lot of macro shots with L glass, mostly of reptiles like rattlesnakes. I also love cropping photos in so they become abstract photography. The crispness of the the M6ii sensor is highly attractive, but the lack of built in EVF is very unattractive. I have a remote trigger on my hotshoe, and I dont think the M6 shoe can be split so that I can run both an EVF and a flash trigger. If it could, i would buy the m6ii. I dont understand why canon released the m50ii a year after the m6ii with a severely handicapped sensor. I really really want the M6ii's sensor, and in-camera-charging, but i am fairly certain I will come to miss the viewfinder when I am choosing to run my flash trigger in an outdoor daylight shoot of animals. But man, man oh man its like you were talking directly to me about the issue. Very good delivery on your video!!
My main light is one of the cheap $25 ones from amazon, one the back ground lights I got out of someone’s garbage, the other is a $5 desk lamp. I will try to do a video about it all at some point.
I'm actually surprised I found the M6 Mark 2 brand new for $300 which to me was a deal I almost couldn't pass up cause I was looking at the M50 mark 2. But when I was offered it for $300 I jumped on it. Which means I eventually buy extra batteries and maybe a lens for it.
I have an M50 stuck on the end of a sigma 150-600. I actually prefer it to the G9 with 100-400 which was more than double the price. Now the M50 is having issues. The menu button won't work. It is auto focusing without holding the shutter and will not stop. It won't connect to pc to copy the photos. For wildlife photography I should go for the mark ii. I love a flip up screen and using my right thumb to track on the screen instead of having to take my hand off the shutter completely when the screen is out to the left. I'm just wondering if the detachable EVF has more lag than the M50.
Hi! Pro photographer here, my workhorses are R6 and R6mkII; I have an m50 as my EDC camera which is solely used for casual photos. It’s paired to a 22f2 and an adapted ef 50 1.8 (and all my other EF-L lenses if I need other focal lengths). The M50 feels adequate for what I use it for, yet I don’t really like the EVF (too contrasty and saturated than the monitor, and much much lower quality than my R6s), and the lack of controls: I’m accustomed to the three dials and back-button focus on the R6s, and I like the idea of having the same controls on the M6II. Is the EVF-DC2 any better than the m50 evf? Especially in terms of color and contrast: can I customize anything on it? Can I set the back button focus to eye-tracking AF as I do on my R6s? I can definitely live with the m50 as is, but I could also sell it and get a complete m6mkII kit, used, just by adding a couple hundreds to what I could get by selling the m50, which would be almost double what I had paid for it a few months back (I got lucky on eBay, hehe). Thanks for your insights!
This has been super helpful. Thanks for putting it together. I appreciate Canon has rung the death bell for the 'M' mount, but i'm still drawn to these as a small, carry every day sort of option.
Canon has not said anything about canceling the M mount, in fact the have said publicly that they are continuing the mount. They have announced the end of the EF mount and EF cameras.
Thanks for this fantastic comparison! I got my mind set on the M6 Mark II for a while now but the R10 has me in doubt at the moment. The price difference for an R10 kit + RF 35mm and an M6k2 + EFM 32mm is only around €120. It will be my first camera, looking to shoot family/street/portrait/holiday/travel with just 3-4 lenses. Which would you advice? I love how compact the M line is but as someone who hasn't bought into EFM yet, is it smarter to get into RF given the future?
Mattia Mi, sigma 18-35 f1.8 using an adapter. This is widely considered the best APS-c lens ever made, they have shot feature documentaries with it, and it’s pretty affordable for what it is. It’s huge though and heavy.
Superb video! very clear and crisp, straight to point, thanks for helping me make up my mind. just one Q, Is there a M6 Mark3 coming? should I wait or just pick up the Mark2?
just upgraded from m50 to m6 ii! what tilted the scales for me was the clean HDMI out with autofocus. too many limitations with m50 when it comes to livestreaming.
@@kasabov5747 lol yes, i am glad canon released that! Still prefer the HDMI out of the m6 over the USB 2.0 feed out of the m50, but it still a great to have another option. The difference in video quality might not be significant for some though
Great review! I’m looking towards the m6 mk 2! Got a question, what are the next lens you would recommend. I’ll probably be doing 1080p video / vlogs or reviews in and outdoor. I love 4k but personally I feel the files are huge and take up tons of space and lag my MacBook Pro hahaha. Would the stock lens do or what’s the next step!
I actually think the stock lens is very good for video and vlogs. Next lens I would say the 22mm F2, or the Sigma 16mm F1.4. I just did a comparison of vlogging lens, on the M50, check it out here, will all be true for the m6 as well - th-cam.com/video/UdkXKaTWcDE/w-d-xo.html
I kinda see the articulating screen argument alot with these. But as an m50 owner it can be distracting and if you have trouble with distraction it can lead to you disconnecting from the audience.
How does the m6ii hold up in 2023? I'm looking for a used camera for run n gun documentary filmmaking with good auto focus and some kind of stabilization. I'm even with good 1080. I want to spend less than $750
That's a little bit of a complicated one to answer. I would say the low light performance is equal to or a little bit better than the M50, but it achieves this through digital image processing. There are 3 levels of low light imagine processing in the M6 Mark II, and you can select the one that works best for you in a given situation. If you use both the M50 and the M6 Mark II with none of High ISO noise reduction, then then M50 might actually be a little bit better. When is comes to video though, the M6 Mark II has significantly better high iso/low light perforce.
The M6 shares a lot with the M6 II, in regards to ergonomics, build, and button layout. It doesn’t have 4K, or the 32mp sensor, and a number of the features it does have will be slightly improved in the M6 II. There is nothing wrong with the M6, it’s still a great camera.
Can you make youtube videos that have the quality of this video,with the M50? I'm looking for a camera to start using for YT, that will mostly be used inside, in a "studio" setting, with maybe some kitchen tutorials, and want to know if the M50 would suffice,with the included lens kit? Thanks!
Yes, you will be able to achieve a very similar look. In fact, the most important part of both video and photography is the lighting, not the camera. Most people that are unhappy with their video results end up buying new cameras, when the should be setting up better lighting.
Great video. Not owning either (but do have the 77d) I’m being swayed by the M6 mkii and your video has helped do that. In the Uk at the moment there is a difference around £280 between the M50 and M6 mkii, both with kit lens and EOS EF M adapter (and DC2 EVF for M6) I think at that price difference the obvious choice is to go for the newer tech, I’m not particularly needing 4K but it would be a welcome bonus.
You wouldn’t see a significant upgrade going from the 77d to the M50, same sensor and similar technology, you would really need to go to the M6 to see any difference.
@@markwiemels thanks 👍🏻I'm not too disappointed with image quality in any way. I'm looking for a smaller package overall but at the same time wanting to get something future proof and I think the M6 offers that 😁
One of the things heavily steering me toward the M6ii over the a6400 is the fact that the vlog lens is twice the cost with Sony... $900 just for that lens?!?! Insane. Then again, the kit with viewfinder is $100 more on Canon. This also is the class of camera where I’d want to “set it and forget it” by shooting and uploading, no intense grading or hassles with tweaking colors. Also the 10-bit external (I think?) over HDMI is amazing in a camera of this caliber. The only downside is the lack of flexibility if you do want to preserve highlights and grade... no Log. I worry about it looking very video-y with blown out highlights everywhere. I’d imagine with the a6400 I could protect that much better if I was willing to spend the time processing the HLG or Log. But also the Log footage requires a higher base ISO, so more noise. And also many say 8-bit isn’t enough to handle S-Log anyway.
Couple thoughts, if you by the m6 kit you can sell the view finder on eBay and get $150+ for it. When it comes to the LOG thing, keep in mind that log is not raw, so it’s just how the camera saves the data, the amount of data is the same. With the cannon you can install, and even make, custom picture profiles, so you can get that same effect. Check out ciniestyle, should do what you want.
The biggest surprise to me was that M50 doesn't have electronic shutter... function. I mean, it has some ability to do it already since it can take videos. I imagine the sensor itself can do it. Canon just segmenting markets? Excellent comparison, by the way.
i have 2 question 1, am entry level users like beginner so i will buy canon m6 mark ii, its better for me as a beginner? 2, Canon EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM this lens is better for m6 mark ii?
The M6 II is really a pro level camera, better build, faster autofocus, more functions, 4k video, and more controls. The M50 is an excellent entry level camera that preforms well about its price point. Really only you can decide. The 32mm lens is excellent on both cameras.
M6 II 1080 looks sharper to me, but I have not put them side side. Low light video is clearly better on the M6, especially in 4K, where high iso noise actually looks quite good, it’s very fine, and looks more like a cinematic film grain. Depending on the situation, I would say the m6 produces good results, in video, up to 6400 iso, but I have also shot at iso 12800 and still used the footage.
There is some sample low light video in this video - Canon EOS M6 Mark II - Unboxing and Review with Sample Photos and Video. th-cam.com/video/XJyD6xX13iY/w-d-xo.html
In terms of sharpness and detail which one would you recommend me to buy, iPhone 12/13 Pro Max or Canon M6 Mark II? And my second question would be if Canon M6 Mark II can compete with iPhone 12/13 Pro Max in nnight and low light situations? Thanks in advance for your response.
Your talking 12mp iPhone vs 32mp camera. The camera will exceed in all categories. The thing is, to get the best rusts with the iPhone, you just point and shoot, the camera will take more skill to get the best results.
I think so. I have seen a lot of people getting the renewed and refurbished gear on Amazon, and being very happy with it. As long as you still get the Canon factory warranty.
@@markwiemels So I wanted to share with you and the pepole here I just bought the renewed M6mII on Amazon with the kit 18-150 Priced at $ 950. (The camera shutter only took 5000 images and for me it is fine for the price for saving 400$) Yesterday the camera arrived and it came in amazing condition realy like new. Thanks for the advice!
The M6 has an intervalometer and a silent shutter mode, making it one of most powerful and robust time lapse cameras you can buy. So the M6 is significantly more powerful than the m50 and one of the most powerful time lapse cameras canon has ever made.
I plan to upgrade my M3. Mostly I use it for product photography, but did I have 18-150mm, 22mm, kit 18-55mm Some extra batteries etc. What body should I buy? M6 mk2 or M50 mk2?
@@markwiemels If that already is a major upgrade... what is an R7?! :O Comparing the M50ii and the M6ii seems like a tiny upgrade on paper to be honest.
I've had the M50 for three years, and I use it for streetphotography. I'm thinking of "upgrading" the M5 instead of the M6mk2. Have you any experience of that camera?
Hmm... the main thing the M5 gets you is more control dials (which can be a very good thing). I think it has the same sensor as the M50, and an older image processor. I’m not sure you’re going to get that much from that upgrade. I may be a better built camera, I have handled one, but it was a while ago.
@@markwiemels more control dials for quick change of settings on the street is what I'm after… plus a pull back screen, so that I can look down at it. The price of the M5 has literally halved since it came out, and I'd rather get one than an M6mk2
Thanks for the vid. I have a g7xII and am looking to upgrade. I have been torn between these two so this helps. I really only do 1080, but thinking about future proofing and play around with the 120 FPS. Maybe this will jump me into 4K. Thanks.
Good Morning. I follow your channel across the ocean in Portugal, and I have to thank you for your excellent work. I have the M50 and am generally happy with the camera. It was my first camera. This particular article feels like it was made for me 🤣 I use silent mode a lot to take pictures, especially in the church in my hometown, but I have a lot of problems with the "banding" (I think that's what it's called), I know it has to do with the quality and type of lighting in the place , but clearly I can't change that. As the M50's silent mode doesn't allow settings, and that doesn't happen on the M6 Mkii, my question is; With the M6 MKii settings, in silent mode, will I be able to eliminate the "banding", reduce it or will it stay the same? I don't know if the m6 has a greater ability to read and reset the sensor and thus reduce the "banding" or even get rid of it. you would recommend switching (the probability is to stay the same with the M50) for the M6 mk ii, to solve this "problem". Thank you in advance for your availability. A hug Carlos Machado
Love the m6 mark ii but couldn't justify the price and it's pretty close to a Nikon Z5 which I would just get instead. Also, I implore you to support the Commlite adapter instead of the Viltrox one. Same price, it's made of metal instead of hard plastic. Feels much better especially when you're mounting a heavy metal lens. It also has more reviews on Amazon, I dunno how Viltrox strong-armed their way to the top of the search results. But I don't like the feel of the plastic build. Viltrox's speed booster, however, is metal and feels much better. Wish they stuck with metal for adapter.
Thanks for the heads up on the adapter, I will order one and try it out! The Nikon Z5 has been on my wish list as well, looks like such a good camera, and almost no one is talking about it!
@@markwiemels Well the problem was it was close enough to the Z6 that there was next to no reason to get it instead. But now that it's come down in price it is effectively the cheapest full frame camera that isn't hot garbage. I wonder if it will get more credit now at its current price or if they missed the ball on marketing it and its just a stepping stone now. I'm still more than a little concerned about its af especially after getting used to dual pixel with my M50. I'd hate to pay 1k to miss shots and have to make compromises with shot timing
I have my fears that the Nikon camera division might not be around in a few years time, hope that’s not the case, but recent financial reports don’t look good. I have a Fuji X-T4 with a number the best fuji lenses, and it missed focus on shots the canon M50 nails, so your concern is real.
Hey! Are you ok? I just got an M6 II and came by because I remembered that you had one, but you haven't made a video in a while. I hope you are well!!!!
Thanks for asking, yeah I am still alive. I have been unwell, but hope to return to my series on the M6 soon. How are you liking it? How do the photos and video compare to the xt-3?
I’m glad you are ok! Hmmm. Well the M6 II and X-T3 are hard to compare lol. The M6 II fits what need right now better than the x-t3 (I sold it). While the xt3 is the better camera, I couldn’t afford the lenses and there were some video issues that I couldn’t work around. The main one being if you ever allowed the camera to control exposure, then there were very noticeable steps/jumps that were distracting. The canon is much better at auto exposure and the lenses are far more affordable. It isn’t necessarily the camera I want, but it is the best that I can afford right now. What I want is a Panasonic with phase detect AF, if that existed I’d be all over it.
Zac Redacted, was the xt-3 4K noticeably sharper? And does the xt-3 have touch and track autofocus like the canon? I had the impression that it did not. Speaking of lenses, grab the 22mm f2 if you haven’t already, cheap new and even cheaper used on eBay. It’s actually a great video lens, especially when used with the first level of IS. I’m also a big fan of the ef-m 18-55, which can be had for around $100 on eBay. I buy most of my lenses used, and they seem to hold their value, you can sell them years later for the price you paid, and sometimes more.
The xt3 is sharper...on TH-cam it would be not too easy to see. The xt3 can record in 4k60 4k30 10bit and you can crank the mbps up to 400 if you want. All of that does lend to a better looking picture, but for me it was overkill. And all of it didn’t matter if the camera couldn’t autoexpose correctly. I just make videos of my kid for his grandparents. I don’t need 4K 10bit 4.2.0. But if you need it then it has it. The fuji has good autofocus but not great. It isn’t as good as Canon’s. It has touch to focus, but as far I can remember it doesn’t have tracking like Canon or Sony. I got the 22mm and the quality of the picture is great. I’m a little concerned about the AF motor in the lens. It has a hard time keeping up with my kid even when I stop it down. But like I said the quality is great and the size is amazing so I’m a little unsure where I stand on it.
Thanks for the info. I do find the all of the stm motors in the line tend to be a little slow, this works fine for most things and I actually think gives you a sort of cinematic focus pull when in changes focus, but it can be bad for fast moving subjects.
When you say that the EF-M zoom lenses are not enough to reach the full potential of the 32-megapixel sensor, what is the decisive factor in a lens? What properties a lens needs to have in order to be able to fully "use" the 32 megapixels? For example, I have Tamron 150-600 G2 that I use with M50 + adapter, and I wonder if the images could be substantially better from M6ii.
I'm really talking about resolving power or resolution. You need a lens with enough resolving power to be able to see the difference in resolution going from 24 to 32mp. You still get other features with the M6, better AF, faster frame rate, 4k video, intervalometer, better low light, etc. I don't know that specific lens well enough to say if you would be able to see any difference in resolution.
Looking for a backup to my old and loyal 60d. EOSM 6 MKII seems more solid and high grade but as I frequently do off-camera flash in events and studio the M50 is the better choice for my needs (with my EF lenses)
What do you recommend? I have a Sonya5100 and I hate that it dies fast because it heats up quick. Reason why I want to buy a new camera. I use this camera for vlogging outside and inside . What do you recommend M50 or M6 ??
They are both good cameras. M6 has 4K and a bigger battery, so better battery life. M50 is cheaper and has the flip out screen, which is better for vloging, when you have a mic on top. I have never had either overheat.
That digital IS man. I use it with the Sigma 16mm/ Canon 32mm and I can hold it still like a rock. Can't remember if the M50 was like this. I always tried to keep the digital IS off to maintain the video quality, but with the M6M2's 4k, i don't have to worry about that. :D Welp, can't wait for IBIS now!
If I had to choose between digital IS with this quality and IBIS: Digital IS all day long! Why? Because on wider angle lenses you get this awful corner wobble, and there is currently no way of preventing this - except again digital IS. The M6 II is great for what it is.
I don't have any experience with it, but if others are saying it's a good sharp lens then I would just go with it. Most lenses will not resolve this level of detail at the edges, but if your subject is many in the centre of frame, like people at concerts and events, this is not so much of a concern.
Mark I was considering stepping up to the Canon M50 from my current M3? I know the stats are very similar with the M50 having a newer image processor? I am primary a photo guy do you think that and the dual pixel focus would make it worth it over lets say buying some new glass like the 32mm or maybe the 55-250mm stm lens? I am currently using solely the 22mm f2 lens what do you think?
I have used the M3, side by side the M50. Main thing you will notice is autofocus speed, you wont see any improvement in image quality. Unless the autofocus speed is really bothering you, then I would buy a new lens, a new lens will transform your images in a way that just changing camera bodies will not.
Im thinking of upgrade from my M-50. to RP or M6 mark II. I have a handful of ef zoom L lens. Will I see a more of an improvement with RP or M 6 mark II?
have you tried the m6ii using many flashes and trigering for photoshoot, if i use any cheap triger in the hotshoe do you think will it work. thanks and nice video
Hi bud, My wife is currently in the market for a camera to start making YT vlogs/videos. She likes the idea of the articulated screen in the M50 but from your review I would personally lean to the M6. My question is this, Can you use the HDMI out to have a live view via laptop or monitor so she can see the shot as she is making her vlogs? Liked and subbed 👍
Yes, you can can use HDMI out on both cameras like that. I think for her choice, it really is about wanting 4K or not, if she doesn’t feel she needs 4K, then I would just go for the m50, at least for YT videos. I like the 4K option for family and home videos, as it will age better at time goes on.
@@markwiemels i think we will definately go with the M50. What lens would you recommend for all round use? We will be doing indoor vlogs in a new studio we have setup and outdoor filming possibly on the move with our daughter. I was going to go body only but if the kit lens would be good enough for our needs then i would purchase it instead. Thanks so much for your help by the way!
As someone that wants to delve deeper into photography and upgrading from a compact camera/phone camera, would you suggest the M50 or M6 Mark ii ? @ 15:36 when you mention buying the kit and just using the kit (no additional lenses) you kind kind of threw me off, that was definitely not my intention.
Yes, I didn’t phrase that very well. With the M6 mark II you must buy more expensive lenses, or adapt lenses to get more out of it than the m50. Because the standard lenses don’t resolve the 32mp, so you can’t tell the difference between the 32mp photo and the 24np photo. You certainly can adapt and upgrade lenses on the m50, and this will give you different looks and abilities. If you’re really more into the photos, and the video is not very important, I think you would be very happy with the M50.
I use the m10 and gave used the m50 but hated the fully articulated screen on the m50. I like the flip up screen as when I would do a selfy shot the screen to the side is just odd you wsnt to look into the lens but you look att the screen instead so it does not work. The flip up screen works bettet for a selfy. Getting the m6m2.
Extremely useful video although I am still undecided as I'm looking to change lens. I am thinking of up-grading from a Canon D77 to one of these cameras. I struggle with arthritis in my hands so need something that I can grip well and is small and light to carry around.
Great review. but Do you actually know when does the M50 mark 2 release? I am so afraid that the second I purchased either of these cameras, and it releases the new model.
Best estimate is 1 to 2 years away, but only Canon knows for sure.. There will always be new models, it kinda never ends, best to just pick one and start creating.
I own a M100 paired with a 22 and the 32mm f1.4 I Want to upgrade my Camera Body (of course for cheap) Mostly Im Into Portrait and Street Photography What should be my next step Camera? M50 or M6 ? My M100 seems to be Kinda slow…
My M6 II is arriving today.
My idea is to setup my M50 to the video studio and the M6 II for my photography and "on the street" video.
Lets see how this goes.
Thank you for the video comparison and wish you well
The clearest explanation of the differences between M6ii and M50. thank you very much. liked & subscribed.
As someone with both the M50 and M6 MK II, I wish I could build a hybrid of the two, with built in EVF, uncropped 4k w/ dual pixel AF, 32mp sensor
Wait until September when the M5 Mark II will be released 😉
@@jelly8594 So that was a fucking lie
Thats what we thought Canon M50ii was going to be.
I love my M50, but after seeing so many videos recently on the M6, I have been blown away at how beautiful the 4K footage is; it takes my breath away; not to mention some awesome pics. You just can't beat the Canon colors! Even if it's upscaled a bit, and may be a bit softer than other brand 4K cameras, I just love how cinematic it looks! I'm still awestruck by one YTer's 4K 120fps footage of a moving train in the rain. I could have died and gone to heaven, it blew me away!! I do agree and appreciate what you said about the lens limitations in taking full advantage of the M6 sensor.
Thank you so much!
@JazzyG How? Canon states that the M6 II shoots only 30fps at 4K. 120fps is only 1080p.
@@AriesSupertrampyou are correct.
I think the overall comparison you did was very good. However I'm quite surprised at your comments regarding the M6 Mark 2 not having an advantage (with cheaper lenses) for photography. You could not be more wrong! I'll preface my following comments by saying I use cheap lenses (15-45mm kit lens, 22mm f/2, EF-s 55-250mm STM for birds in flight, 50mm f/1.8, 85mm f/1.8, 10-18mm and a few other similarly budget priced lenses).
I have owned the M50 for over a year and I bought the M6 Mark 2 a few weeks ago and it is chalk and cheese. There's a massive advantage to the newer camera for photography. Its almost twice the price of the M50 in Australia, but it feels like twice the camera in the field.
I always test new cameras, initially, by shooting birds in flight. The M6 Mk II has far better AF which seems to know what the subject is without guidance. It just jumps to the bird and locks on and OMG you can take a 20 shot burst with EVERY shot in focus. There is noticeably more detail in the wings and fine hair on the head and body. I could never just leave the M50 in tracking mode with all AF points active as it might focus on a tree or other background object. The M6 Mk II usually just grabs the bird and tracks.
What's even more noticeable is the high ISO performance. There's slightly less noise at full resolution than there is on the M50, but by ISO 6400 on the M6 Mark 2, it has similar noise as the M50 at ISO 3200. However, forget the noise, the detail is so much better at higher ISOs, its crazy. Plus, you can downsize the image to 24MP and have significantly less noise with far greater detail than the M50 at the same image size. Shooting birds in trees (in a low light forest-like environment) at ISO 2000 is nothing for the M6 Mark 2. I would avoid that like the plague on my M50, M5 and 80D as the detail gets too mushy.
There is a small step up in dynamic range at ISO 100, but it pulls away as you climb up the ISOs. So if you have to raise shadows at higher isos then there's an even bigger noise difference than the basic high ISO noise difference itself.
The face detection works from a huge distance on the M6 Mark 2 and eye AF, although needs to be closer, works in continuous shooting with servo AF.
The physical controls are vastly superior with more dials (one being multi-functional) and more customisable buttons. "From a photography point of view" the M6 Mark 2 is light years ahead of the M50.
So better AF, usable eye detection, better dynamic range, better ISO performance, better handling, twice the burst rate, more customisation, better image quality... the M6 Mark 2 is a vastly superior camera for photography, even with cheap lenses.
P.s. If you only view images to fit on the screen, you'll be lucky to see differences in detail between any 2 cameras. Zoom in to 100% if you want to compare and yes, you will see the M6 Mark 2 is superior.
Some great info there, particularly in regards to the functionality of the M6 Mark II in photography. I shot basic landscape and static subjects with that two cameras, both with the 15-45 and the 22mm and I could not see any difference in detail, and that’s zooming in on both in light room. I really wanted to see a difference, I just couldn’t see one, but that doesn’t take into account the functional advantages of the M6, which you have described well.
Thanks for sharing all that, I I’ll try to make use of this information in a future video.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge - can't wait until the m5mk2 will combine everything good from the M5 and m6mk2
In all my honesty, the M6II's direct successor should definitely have its own native EVF & IBIS, but the succession has been grasped by the R7 😭 making that R7 feel OVERLY DISADVANTAGED, lens-wise because of the absent support of the venerable Sigma DC DN prime lenses, etc
Expect there to be an RF lineup for Sigma’s Prime Trio as well
@@Deebohuncho hopefully
Really really helpful video-thanks for not just comparing specs and really getting into your experience using them 👏
You are most welcome.
Nice job! I'm still using both about the same amount. Every once in a while I switch back to the 4k video in the M50 because I need to take advantage of the crop factor that gives me the extra reach when shooting wildlife and I can't get close enough to get the shot. I just switch over to manual focus peaking. Looking forward to your next video. I have 2 videos left to shoot and I'll be done with my series. Keep up the good work.
Thanks .Yes, both still great cameras. In many ways I still prefer the feel of the m50.
Pleasing to watch and the audio is so good. Wonder what's the audio set up. The information in this video is great
Fantastic points of view, and very thorough and useful comparison. Kudos for putting this out. The M6 Mark ii does have a resolution advantage, and a really good sensor, but the resolution in the M50 is more than enough. The whole shortcoming for both of these cameras is the mount, and the limited native lens choices. As you said in your review, the M6 could/ should benefit from better lenses. Higher pixel count sensors really need good lenses. I’m not so opposed to the clip on viewfinder, as I had one on an Olympus Pen years ago. My take away is Canon should have offered more resolution in the clip on viewfinder. After all, this is the second one they made. Same for the real LCD. I believe your summary is about right on the ‘Mark,’ pun intended. 🙄😀☺️ Liked and Subscribed ! 👏🏻👍👍👍😁✌🏻🇺🇸📷
My friend! Is it worth upgrading from the m50 to the m6 for the talking head shots of TH-cam?
Yes, the 4k footage is noticeably better.
Good comparison video, Mark. I bought the M6 ii purely for video, and I have some EF and EFS lenses. I am actually surprised by the quality of stills this can take, but I am still not about to throw out my old 5d ii.
Yes, the M6 is such a good camera, but agree, the full frame look is the full frame look.
@@markwiemels Yeah, but for video, the M6 ii is much better. I make videos for Amazon Influencer and the 6 is great. The fact that i am looking just above the lens rather that to one side on my other old canon with articulated LCD is noticeably better. Do not do much YT lately because it doesn't pay the bills. Good luck with this channel. I appreciate the time you put into making a video.
@@IrishChippy Yeah, 4k on the M6 II is so good, that's why I bought the camera.
A big THANK, to you, Mark, for this review and fine comparison between these two cameras! I surely needed your walk-through review in order to make the final choice between these two cameras! Stay blessed! Greetings from Sweden!
Been watching review videos & reading comparison pages on these cameras all week, but you laid it all out so neat and tidy, maybe a little long winded but covered all the topics a photographer already 'in the know' would care about, so thanks!
Ok will say the interval shooting mode has been around in Canon DSLR's for many years, my 80D has it (I use all the time for family group photos) and maybe even earlier iterations?
Thank you so much!
The M6 Mark II also has in camera focus stacking and also has the ability to show blinkies in the image preview.
Thanks mate for that, updating my m50 for my mark ii at the moment
Thanks for a great video! I replaced my Sony A6000 with an M50, as I could get a great cheap very lightly used bundle with EF-S adapter and a Tamron 18-400mm lens. I use it as all-rounder for travels (landscape, portrait and wildlife, hence the longer reach to get to these smaller birds or big lizards on tall trees here in Australia). I'm feeling limited by the controls. I've remapped all the buttons, but am still missing one more dial. I'm completely baffled by Canon's strategy with screen (flip up/articulated), controls (expxosure dial on M3, 2 multifunctional dials on M6 MKII). And finally their product strategy with launching an m50 MKII with mere software updates and M6 MKII with a new sensor and a complete overhaul would have been perfect... without that's I see there will be no point of upgrading to M6 MKII, but rather stick to the original plan of maybe getting a 7D MKII with a Sigma 150-600 mm as a second body for birding at some point...
The M50 is still a very capable camera.
Thank you for not inundating this demonstration with unnecessary background music. Excellent straight forward comparison. Thank you dear god!! 😂
You are my favorite source for info on my new M50. Thank You for all the amazing info
Wow, super nice of you to say, thanks!
Recent M50 owner here (a bit more than month). I'll admit I do miss some of the M6 II features like 120fps in 1080p for one, but I'm a huge fan of the flip out screen, so I'll just be waiting for M50 mk II which is rumoured to be announced sometime at the end of this year. Hopefully Canon can learn what people like about the M50 and what people like about the M6 II and combine a nice new M50 mk II (or some say it might be M60) with best of both worlds!
FreshMeet, thanks for sharing. I think that m50 II will be the camera you are hoping for, just a question of when it shows up.
@@markwiemels yeah that didnt happen lol. for 4k the m6 is still the winner
Great video! Currently I have M50 and thinking about upgrading to the M6M2, can I use the same M50 lenses?
Wesam Khalfalla وسام خلف الله , yes same ef-m mount lenses.
@@markwiemels Great!
Very informative comparison between the two. Can you show reviews and tests for the kit lens in closer subjects like doing a macro videography.
Once I sell my M6 mark 1, I would buy a M6ii just so I can use the 4K video full screen (which I would need at times), and there are a number of other upgrade features. Also I have one of the Sigma m mount lenses and it is very sharp. Regarding putting a mic on M6ii camera, just add a side bar on base for $20. as side mount, then self vlog video is no problem. Very thorough and honest review. Thanks for posting!
Great to hear!
both cameras are great, it's just personal preferences for each user. for me thou, the reasons for the m50 are one, the ev is in there just like any pro dslr but in a smaller form, two, the price for the m50 is cheaper but you get value with the feature that are included while the m6 if you want to have an ev in there you have to buy as an extra option. there are a lot of better features that i wish is included like a better 4k video but i can live with that. a satisfied user of the m50
All good points.
Nice video, as always. I see that both of these cameras can shoot when tethered with the Canon Digital Photo Professional. Curious if you would ever do a video on this shooting method?
Really fantastic video. I am having major buyers remose regarding the M50ii , Im wondering if I should have gone with the M6ii. I take a lot of macro shots with L glass, mostly of reptiles like rattlesnakes. I also love cropping photos in so they become abstract photography. The crispness of the the M6ii sensor is highly attractive, but the lack of built in EVF is very unattractive. I have a remote trigger on my hotshoe, and I dont think the M6 shoe can be split so that I can run both an EVF and a flash trigger. If it could, i would buy the m6ii. I dont understand why canon released the m50ii a year after the m6ii with a severely handicapped sensor. I really really want the M6ii's sensor, and in-camera-charging, but i am fairly certain I will come to miss the viewfinder when I am choosing to run my flash trigger in an outdoor daylight shoot of animals. But man, man oh man its like you were talking directly to me about the issue. Very good delivery on your video!!
Some good insight here! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for this helpful and honest video! It really helps me to make my choice!😀
Great video. What kind of lighting set up are you using in this video?
My main light is one of the cheap $25 ones from amazon, one the back ground lights I got out of someone’s garbage, the other is a $5 desk lamp. I will try to do a video about it all at some point.
Thank you for another excellent review!
This video has really helped a confused buyer like myself. Looks like the M6ii for me. Thanks for an informative video.
Thanks. That’s great to hear.
Very nice detailed video.
Thank you so much!
I'm actually surprised I found the M6 Mark 2 brand new for $300 which to me was a deal I almost couldn't pass up cause I was looking at the M50 mark 2. But when I was offered it for $300 I jumped on it. Which means I eventually buy extra batteries and maybe a lens for it.
The M6 ii is the higher end camera. It’s the top of the ef-m line.
@@markwiemels Thank you for that bit of information.
I have an M50 stuck on the end of a sigma 150-600. I actually prefer it to the G9 with 100-400 which was more than double the price. Now the M50 is having issues. The menu button won't work. It is auto focusing without holding the shutter and will not stop. It won't connect to pc to copy the photos.
For wildlife photography I should go for the mark ii. I love a flip up screen and using my right thumb to track on the screen instead of having to take my hand off the shutter completely when the screen is out to the left. I'm just wondering if the detachable EVF has more lag than the M50.
Wow, that would be one heck of a setup.
Hi! Pro photographer here, my workhorses are R6 and R6mkII; I have an m50 as my EDC camera which is solely used for casual photos. It’s paired to a 22f2 and an adapted ef 50 1.8 (and all my other EF-L lenses if I need other focal lengths). The M50 feels adequate for what I use it for, yet I don’t really like the EVF (too contrasty and saturated than the monitor, and much much lower quality than my R6s), and the lack of controls: I’m accustomed to the three dials and back-button focus on the R6s, and I like the idea of having the same controls on the M6II. Is the EVF-DC2 any better than the m50 evf? Especially in terms of color and contrast: can I customize anything on it?
Can I set the back button focus to eye-tracking AF as I do on my R6s?
I can definitely live with the m50 as is, but I could also sell it and get a complete m6mkII kit, used, just by adding a couple hundreds to what I could get by selling the m50, which would be almost double what I had paid for it a few months back (I got lucky on eBay, hehe).
Thanks for your insights!
This has been super helpful. Thanks for putting it together. I appreciate Canon has rung the death bell for the 'M' mount, but i'm still drawn to these as a small, carry every day sort of option.
Canon has not said anything about canceling the M mount, in fact the have said publicly that they are continuing the mount. They have announced the end of the EF mount and EF cameras.
Thanks for this fantastic comparison! I got my mind set on the M6 Mark II for a while now but the R10 has me in doubt at the moment. The price difference for an R10 kit + RF 35mm and an M6k2 + EFM 32mm is only around €120. It will be my first camera, looking to shoot family/street/portrait/holiday/travel with just 3-4 lenses. Which would you advice? I love how compact the M line is but as someone who hasn't bought into EFM yet, is it smarter to get into RF given the future?
I would probably the R10. The RF mount is the future for canon.
Hell yeah it was worth the upgrade never liked the m50 but love my m6markii. So great. Love the c1 and c2 costum buttonw on the dial.
Fantastic review!
Thanks.
My Camera Bag WHICH CAMERA WERE YOU USING TO SHOOT THIS VIDEO ?
Awesome advice!
Great review bro! Congratulation. Anyway which camera and lens did you use to record this vlog?
Mattia Mi, sigma 18-35 f1.8 using an adapter. This is widely considered the best APS-c lens ever made, they have shot feature documentaries with it, and it’s pretty affordable for what it is. It’s huge though and heavy.
Very nice. Videos and stills are crisp and sharp.
Thanks.
Superb video! very clear and crisp, straight to point, thanks for helping me make up my mind. just one Q, Is there a M6 Mark3 coming? should I wait or just pick up the Mark2?
They generally leave a number of years between new models, if you can find a deal on Black Friday I would grab one now.
I was originally thinking about going with the m50 but you've sold me on the m6 ii, cheers
Is M6 II better than Z50’s for low light ?
Jimmy a Geek this! The z50 is praised for high iso performance. As for me I won’t touch a new mount but still nice to know.
I don’t have any experience with the Nikon Z50 at this point, so I couldn’t say.
THANKS FOR THE VIDEO. I NEED IT .
Good to hear!
Very great comparison! Was just wondering are u affected by the Canon M6 Mark II shutter shock issues discussed online? Thank you.
Never noticed it myself, so not a problem for me.
just upgraded from m50 to m6 ii!
what tilted the scales for me was the clean HDMI out with autofocus. too many limitations with m50 when it comes to livestreaming.
Oh ... well that didn't age well, since Canon actually released software that let us use M50 directly as webcam, through USB with autofocus on.
@@kasabov5747 lol yes, i am glad canon released that! Still prefer the HDMI out of the m6 over the USB 2.0 feed out of the m50, but it still a great to have another option. The difference in video quality might not be significant for some though
which ones image quality is better?
Great review! I’m looking towards the m6 mk 2! Got a question, what are the next lens you would recommend. I’ll probably be doing 1080p video / vlogs or reviews in and outdoor. I love 4k but personally I feel the files are huge and take up tons of space and lag my MacBook Pro hahaha. Would the stock lens do or what’s the next step!
Oh yea, also I would like some wide angle lens. To replace my gopro!
I actually think the stock lens is very good for video and vlogs. Next lens I would say the 22mm F2, or the Sigma 16mm F1.4. I just did a comparison of vlogging lens, on the M50, check it out here, will all be true for the m6 as well - th-cam.com/video/UdkXKaTWcDE/w-d-xo.html
My Camera Bag thank you! I’ll check them out for sure! I’m new to lens etc so I’ll need to learn more before purchasing one for sure! Haha
I kinda see the articulating screen argument alot with these. But as an m50 owner it can be distracting and if you have trouble with distraction it can lead to you disconnecting from the audience.
How does the m6ii hold up in 2023? I'm looking for a used camera for run n gun documentary filmmaking with good auto focus and some kind of stabilization. I'm even with good 1080. I want to spend less than $750
For around that price I would get the Canon R50 with the kit lens, new.
Great review.. i am going with M6
Video muy muy útil. Great !!. Me ha sacado de dudas. Gracias
What about difference in night photography? Is there a significant difference?
That's a little bit of a complicated one to answer. I would say the low light performance is equal to or a little bit better than the M50, but it achieves this through digital image processing. There are 3 levels of low light imagine processing in the M6 Mark II, and you can select the one that works best for you in a given situation. If you use both the M50 and the M6 Mark II with none of High ISO noise reduction, then then M50 might actually be a little bit better. When is comes to video though, the M6 Mark II has significantly better high iso/low light perforce.
I got mine about a month ago! Thanks for the tips and advice!
No worries, thanks for watching.
Great Information. I would like to know where the Canon M6 fall in this situation. Is it a good camera as well? What is the major difference.
The M6 shares a lot with the M6 II, in regards to ergonomics, build, and button layout. It doesn’t have 4K, or the 32mp sensor, and a number of the features it does have will be slightly improved in the M6 II. There is nothing wrong with the M6, it’s still a great camera.
Can you make youtube videos that have the quality of this video,with the M50? I'm looking for a camera to start using for YT, that will mostly be used inside, in a "studio" setting, with maybe some kitchen tutorials, and want to know if the M50 would suffice,with the included lens kit? Thanks!
Yes, you will be able to achieve a very similar look. In fact, the most important part of both video and photography is the lighting, not the camera. Most people that are unhappy with their video results end up buying new cameras, when the should be setting up better lighting.
@@markwiemels Thanks so much for the reply! I feel more motivated now, and confident that it's a thought-out choice.
George O, I will try to do a video on the M50 as a TH-cam studio camera, and go through the setup and best settings.
That would be fantastic! Thank you VERY much!
Great video. Not owning either (but do have the 77d) I’m being swayed by the M6 mkii and your video has helped do that. In the Uk at the moment there is a difference around £280 between the M50 and M6 mkii, both with kit lens and EOS EF M adapter (and DC2 EVF for M6) I think at that price difference the obvious choice is to go for the newer tech, I’m not particularly needing 4K but it would be a welcome bonus.
You wouldn’t see a significant upgrade going from the 77d to the M50, same sensor and similar technology, you would really need to go to the M6 to see any difference.
@@markwiemels thanks 👍🏻I'm not too disappointed with image quality in any way. I'm looking for a smaller package overall but at the same time wanting to get something future proof and I think the M6 offers that 😁
One of the things heavily steering me toward the M6ii over the a6400 is the fact that the vlog lens is twice the cost with Sony... $900 just for that lens?!?! Insane. Then again, the kit with viewfinder is $100 more on Canon.
This also is the class of camera where I’d want to “set it and forget it” by shooting and uploading, no intense grading or hassles with tweaking colors. Also the 10-bit external (I think?) over HDMI is amazing in a camera of this caliber.
The only downside is the lack of flexibility if you do want to preserve highlights and grade... no Log. I worry about it looking very video-y with blown out highlights everywhere.
I’d imagine with the a6400 I could protect that much better if I was willing to spend the time processing the HLG or Log. But also the Log footage requires a higher base ISO, so more noise. And also many say 8-bit isn’t enough to handle S-Log anyway.
Couple thoughts, if you by the m6 kit you can sell the view finder on eBay and get $150+ for it. When it comes to the LOG thing, keep in mind that log is not raw, so it’s just how the camera saves the data, the amount of data is the same. With the cannon you can install, and even make, custom picture profiles, so you can get that same effect. Check out ciniestyle, should do what you want.
My Camera Bag Thanks a ton of your time and thoughtful reply! Loving the series so far. I think you’ve convinced me :)
My Camera Bag By the way the 24fps firmware update is out!
This new lighting set-up is pretty sweet!
Thanks! I’m super happy with it. A $25 light from amazon and $5 worth of cellophane.
Yeah this looks night and day better than before... what camera is used here? (I know lighting mattered more but..)
M6 Mark II
The biggest surprise to me was that M50 doesn't have electronic shutter... function.
I mean, it has some ability to do it already since it can take videos. I imagine the sensor itself can do it. Canon just segmenting markets?
Excellent comparison, by the way.
Yep, segmenting, just like you said.
i have 2 question
1, am entry level users like beginner so i will buy canon m6 mark ii, its better for me as a beginner?
2, Canon EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM this lens is better for m6 mark ii?
The M6 II is really a pro level camera, better build, faster autofocus, more functions, 4k video, and more controls. The M50 is an excellent entry level camera that preforms well about its price point. Really only you can decide. The 32mm lens is excellent on both cameras.
I should add to this, the M6 won’t be too complicated for a beginner, if you can afford it, it is the better camera.
Very informative. Thank you 👍
Hey, great comparison! How would you compare the 1080p quality and low light performance (video) between those two?
M6 II 1080 looks sharper to me, but I have not put them side side. Low light video is clearly better on the M6, especially in 4K, where high iso noise actually looks quite good, it’s very fine, and looks more like a cinematic film grain. Depending on the situation, I would say the m6 produces good results, in video, up to 6400 iso, but I have also shot at iso 12800 and still used the footage.
There is some sample low light video in this video -
Canon EOS M6 Mark II - Unboxing and Review with Sample Photos and Video. th-cam.com/video/XJyD6xX13iY/w-d-xo.html
@@markwiemels thanks for the answers! I guess for 1080p and aps-c, there is currently still no reasonable upgrade to the M50. :)
In terms of sharpness and detail which one would you recommend me to buy, iPhone 12/13 Pro Max or Canon M6 Mark II? And my second question would be if Canon M6 Mark II can compete with iPhone 12/13 Pro Max in nnight and low light situations? Thanks in advance for your response.
Your talking 12mp iPhone vs 32mp camera. The camera will exceed in all categories. The thing is, to get the best rusts with the iPhone, you just point and shoot, the camera will take more skill to get the best results.
Wait, I wasn't sure because you didn't say it enough times ... so you do like the M6 Mark II better than the M50?
Great review! I thinking about buying the M6II.
Is it worth buying a used or renewed M6II
18-150 kit on Amazon ?
I think so. I have seen a lot of people getting the renewed and refurbished gear on Amazon, and being very happy with it. As long as you still get the Canon factory warranty.
@@markwiemels So I wanted to share with
you and the pepole here
I just bought the renewed M6mII on Amazon with the kit 18-150
Priced at $ 950. (The camera shutter only took 5000 images and for me it is fine for the price for saving 400$)
Yesterday the camera arrived and it came in amazing condition realy like new.
Thanks for the advice!
Thanks for the nice comparison!
When it comes to timelapse shooting, is M6 mark ii better or more convenient than M50 besides the resolution?
The M6 has an intervalometer and a silent shutter mode, making it one of most powerful and robust time lapse cameras you can buy. So the M6 is significantly more powerful than the m50 and one of the most powerful time lapse cameras canon has ever made.
I plan to upgrade my M3. Mostly I use it for product photography, but did
I have 18-150mm, 22mm, kit 18-55mm
Some extra batteries etc. What body should I buy? M6 mk2 or M50 mk2?
M6 II for sure.
@@markwiemels it’s significantly more expensive now, even body only
Good Review!
Would you consider the M6II a major upgrade or a small one compared to the M50.
It’s pretty major.
@@markwiemels If that already is a major upgrade... what is an R7?! :O Comparing the M50ii and the M6ii seems like a tiny upgrade on paper to be honest.
@@JangoAC the M6ii give you a lot of what you get in the R7, both big upgrades from the M50 II.
@@markwiemels I am debating upgrading but I just dont see investing in an other EF-M camera. Thank you!
I've had the M50 for three years, and I use it for streetphotography. I'm thinking of "upgrading" the M5 instead of the M6mk2. Have you any experience of that camera?
Hmm... the main thing the M5 gets you is more control dials (which can be a very good thing). I think it has the same sensor as the M50, and an older image processor. I’m not sure you’re going to get that much from that upgrade. I may be a better built camera, I have handled one, but it was a while ago.
@@markwiemels more control dials for quick change of settings on the street is what I'm after… plus a pull back screen, so that I can look down at it. The price of the M5 has literally halved since it came out, and I'd rather get one than an M6mk2
Yah, it’s a huge bargain now. I would suggest that it is an upgrade based on your requirements.
Thanks for the vid. I have a g7xII and am looking to upgrade. I have been torn between these two so this helps. I really only do 1080, but thinking about future proofing and play around with the 120 FPS. Maybe this will jump me into 4K. Thanks.
Which one would you recommend? because ill be using it for sports photography (shooting race cars) and ill be putting a 70-200mm lens with it
M6 II Fore sure, it has best in class autofocus and tracking.
i need a tutorial about night timelapse
Its on my list
Good Morning. I follow your channel across the ocean in Portugal, and I have to thank you for your excellent work.
I have the M50 and am generally happy with the camera. It was my first camera. This particular article feels like it was made for me 🤣
I use silent mode a lot to take pictures, especially in the church in my hometown, but I have a lot of problems with the "banding" (I think that's what it's called), I know it has to do with the quality and type of lighting in the place , but clearly I can't change that. As the M50's silent mode doesn't allow settings, and that doesn't happen on the M6 Mkii, my question is;
With the M6 MKii settings, in silent mode, will I be able to eliminate the "banding", reduce it or will it stay the same?
I don't know if the m6 has a greater ability to read and reset the sensor and thus reduce the "banding" or even get rid of it.
you would recommend switching (the probability is to stay the same with the M50) for the M6 mk ii, to solve this "problem".
Thank you in advance for your availability.
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I think, but slowing the shutter speed with the M6, you should be able to eliminate it, but I"m not 100% sure.
Love the m6 mark ii but couldn't justify the price and it's pretty close to a Nikon Z5 which I would just get instead.
Also, I implore you to support the Commlite adapter instead of the Viltrox one. Same price, it's made of metal instead of hard plastic. Feels much better especially when you're mounting a heavy metal lens. It also has more reviews on Amazon, I dunno how Viltrox strong-armed their way to the top of the search results. But I don't like the feel of the plastic build. Viltrox's speed booster, however, is metal and feels much better. Wish they stuck with metal for adapter.
Thanks for the heads up on the adapter, I will order one and try it out! The Nikon Z5 has been on my wish list as well, looks like such a good camera, and almost no one is talking about it!
@@markwiemels Well the problem was it was close enough to the Z6 that there was next to no reason to get it instead. But now that it's come down in price it is effectively the cheapest full frame camera that isn't hot garbage.
I wonder if it will get more credit now at its current price or if they missed the ball on marketing it and its just a stepping stone now. I'm still more than a little concerned about its af especially after getting used to dual pixel with my M50. I'd hate to pay 1k to miss shots and have to make compromises with shot timing
I have my fears that the Nikon camera division might not be around in a few years time, hope that’s not the case, but recent financial reports don’t look good. I have a Fuji X-T4 with a number the best fuji lenses, and it missed focus on shots the canon M50 nails, so your concern is real.
You can set up back button focus on the Canon M50.
Can i consider the m50 a semi professional camera?
I have used it for paid work, as have others, it's more about the photographer not the camera.
Hey! Are you ok? I just got an M6 II and came by because I remembered that you had one, but you haven't made a video in a while. I hope you are well!!!!
Thanks for asking, yeah I am still alive. I have been unwell, but hope to return to my series on the M6 soon. How are you liking it? How do the photos and video compare to the xt-3?
I’m glad you are ok! Hmmm. Well the M6 II and X-T3 are hard to compare lol. The M6 II fits what need right now better than the x-t3 (I sold it). While the xt3 is the better camera, I couldn’t afford the lenses and there were some video issues that I couldn’t work around. The main one being if you ever allowed the camera to control exposure, then there were very noticeable steps/jumps that were distracting. The canon is much better at auto exposure and the lenses are far more affordable. It isn’t necessarily the camera I want, but it is the best that I can afford right now.
What I want is a Panasonic with phase detect AF, if that existed I’d be all over it.
Zac Redacted, was the xt-3 4K noticeably sharper? And does the xt-3 have touch and track autofocus like the canon? I had the impression that it did not.
Speaking of lenses, grab the 22mm f2 if you haven’t already, cheap new and even cheaper used on eBay. It’s actually a great video lens, especially when used with the first level of IS. I’m also a big fan of the ef-m 18-55, which can be had for around $100 on eBay. I buy most of my lenses used, and they seem to hold their value, you can sell them years later for the price you paid, and sometimes more.
The xt3 is sharper...on TH-cam it would be not too easy to see. The xt3 can record in 4k60 4k30 10bit and you can crank the mbps up to 400 if you want. All of that does lend to a better looking picture, but for me it was overkill. And all of it didn’t matter if the camera couldn’t autoexpose correctly. I just make videos of my kid for his grandparents. I don’t need 4K 10bit 4.2.0. But if you need it then it has it.
The fuji has good autofocus but not great. It isn’t as good as Canon’s. It has touch to focus, but as far I can remember it doesn’t have tracking like Canon or Sony.
I got the 22mm and the quality of the picture is great. I’m a little concerned about the AF motor in the lens. It has a hard time keeping up with my kid even when I stop it down. But like I said the quality is great and the size is amazing so I’m a little unsure where I stand on it.
Thanks for the info. I do find the all of the stm motors in the line tend to be a little slow, this works fine for most things and I actually think gives you a sort of cinematic focus pull when in changes focus, but it can be bad for fast moving subjects.
When you say that the EF-M zoom lenses are not enough to reach the full potential of the 32-megapixel sensor, what is the decisive factor in a lens? What properties a lens needs to have in order to be able to fully "use" the 32 megapixels? For example, I have Tamron 150-600 G2 that I use with M50 + adapter, and I wonder if the images could be substantially better from M6ii.
I'm really talking about resolving power or resolution. You need a lens with enough resolving power to be able to see the difference in resolution going from 24 to 32mp. You still get other features with the M6, better AF, faster frame rate, 4k video, intervalometer, better low light, etc. I don't know that specific lens well enough to say if you would be able to see any difference in resolution.
Looking for a backup to my old and loyal 60d. EOSM 6 MKII seems more solid and high grade but as I frequently do off-camera flash in events and studio the M50 is the better choice for my needs (with my EF lenses)
I think you will be very happy with the M50, for all practical purposes you won’t be able to tell the difference from the M6 II, for photography.
What camera and lens did u use to film this? Thank u sir 😊😊😊🙏
M6 Mark II with the Sigma 18-35 f1.8
What do you recommend? I have a Sonya5100 and I hate that it dies fast because it heats up quick. Reason why I want to buy a new camera. I use this camera for vlogging outside and inside . What do you recommend M50 or M6 ??
They are both good cameras. M6 has 4K and a bigger battery, so better battery life. M50 is cheaper and has the flip out screen, which is better for vloging, when you have a mic on top. I have never had either overheat.
Mark, is there a way to shoot in portrait mode holding the M6 above your head. I dont think there is a way to do that, am i wrong?
no, you just have to guess at the framing.
That digital IS man. I use it with the Sigma 16mm/ Canon 32mm and I can hold it still like a rock. Can't remember if the M50 was like this. I always tried to keep the digital IS off to maintain the video quality, but with the M6M2's 4k, i don't have to worry about that. :D Welp, can't wait for IBIS now!
Yes, the digital IS is impressive, way better than in the M50. It will be interesting to see if IBIS makes its way in the M lineup at some point.
If I had to choose between digital IS with this quality and IBIS: Digital IS all day long! Why? Because on wider angle lenses you get this awful corner wobble, and there is currently no way of preventing this - except again digital IS. The M6 II is great for what it is.
Hey Mark! Having trouble finding out if the Tamron 18-400 can resolve the M6 Mk II's sensor quality. Have you heard anything?
I don't have any experience with it, but if others are saying it's a good sharp lens then I would just go with it. Most lenses will not resolve this level of detail at the edges, but if your subject is many in the centre of frame, like people at concerts and events, this is not so much of a concern.
Terrific explanation! I find the M6 II with Sigma 56mm lens produces stunning photos of animals posed or in motion. Couldn’t be happier.
Yah, that looks like and excellent lens.
Mark I was considering stepping up to the Canon M50 from my current M3? I know the stats are very similar with the M50
having a newer image processor? I am primary a photo guy do you think that and the dual pixel focus would make it worth it
over lets say buying some new glass like the 32mm or maybe the 55-250mm stm lens? I am currently using solely the 22mm f2 lens
what do you think?
I have used the M3, side by side the M50. Main thing you will notice is autofocus speed, you wont see any improvement in image quality. Unless the autofocus speed is really bothering you, then I would buy a new lens, a new lens will transform your images in a way that just changing camera bodies will not.
@@markwiemels Thanks Mark : )
Im thinking of upgrade from my M-50. to RP or M6 mark II. I have a handful of ef zoom L lens. Will I see a more of an improvement with RP or M 6 mark II?
The Photos wont look very different. The RP will give more blurry background, the M6 will give much faster autofocus.
have you tried the m6ii using many flashes and trigering for photoshoot, if i use any cheap triger in the hotshoe do you think will it work. thanks and nice video
another great video Mark, seems like I'll stick to the m50
It's a great camera!
Hi bud, My wife is currently in the market for a camera to start making YT vlogs/videos. She likes the idea of the articulated screen in the M50 but from your review I would personally lean to the M6. My question is this, Can you use the HDMI out to have a live view via laptop or monitor so she can see the shot as she is making her vlogs?
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Yes, you can can use HDMI out on both cameras like that. I think for her choice, it really is about wanting 4K or not, if she doesn’t feel she needs 4K, then I would just go for the m50, at least for YT videos. I like the 4K option for family and home videos, as it will age better at time goes on.
@@markwiemels i think we will definately go with the M50. What lens would you recommend for all round use? We will be doing indoor vlogs in a new studio we have setup and outdoor filming possibly on the move with our daughter. I was going to go body only but if the kit lens would be good enough for our needs then i would purchase it instead. Thanks so much for your help by the way!
@@stephenNI did you be the M50?
The kit lens is a good video lens, the ef-m 22mm is also great.
As someone that wants to delve deeper into photography and upgrading from a compact camera/phone camera, would you suggest the M50 or M6 Mark ii ? @ 15:36 when you mention buying the kit and just using the kit (no additional lenses) you kind kind of threw me off, that was definitely not my intention.
Yes, I didn’t phrase that very well. With the M6 mark II you must buy more expensive lenses, or adapt lenses to get more out of it than the m50. Because the standard lenses don’t resolve the 32mp, so you can’t tell the difference between the 32mp photo and the 24np photo. You certainly can adapt and upgrade lenses on the m50, and this will give you different looks and abilities. If you’re really more into the photos, and the video is not very important, I think you would be very happy with the M50.
My Camera Bag Haha! Thanks for the clarification! Also with buying the M50 would you start with the kit lens or a 50mm for photography?
The kit lens for sure. Then I would look at adapting vintage glass you can get on eBay from there.
I use the m10 and gave used the m50 but hated the fully articulated screen on the m50. I like the flip up screen as when I would do a selfy shot the screen to the side is just odd you wsnt to look into the lens but you look att the screen instead so it does not work. The flip up screen works bettet for a selfy.
Getting the m6m2.
Can you please test AF system? How eyeAF looks on back screen?
What camera diod you shoot this video on? Was it the M6, or do you have a full frame camera?
M6 II
@@markwiemels It looks great! I was afraid that the 2,7k upscale to 4k would look soft.
Extremely useful video although I am still undecided as I'm looking to change lens. I am thinking of up-grading from a Canon D77 to one of these cameras. I struggle with arthritis in my hands so need something that I can grip well and is small and light to carry around.
M6 II with the small rig cage would be my suggestion. Gives it a really nice grip, but still light.
good review!! I like it!
Thank you.
Great review. but Do you actually know when does the M50 mark 2 release? I am so afraid that the second I purchased either of these cameras, and it releases the new model.
Best estimate is 1 to 2 years away, but only Canon knows for sure.. There will always be new models, it kinda never ends, best to just pick one and start creating.
@@markwiemels Appreciated for the reply. you are right, I should focus more on the contents and start making videos.
I own a M100 paired with a 22 and the 32mm f1.4
I Want to upgrade my Camera Body (of course for cheap)
Mostly Im Into Portrait and Street Photography
What should be my next step Camera? M50 or M6 ?
My M100 seems to be Kinda slow…
M6 II, M100 is the same as the M50.
@@markwiemels what about M6 mark1?