Hey folks. Would either the M50 or the M6mrk2 be suitable for shooting motorsports? Are either capable at capturing these type of moving subjects or would it be a complete struggle or waste? Thank you.
I originally had the M50 and loved it, but unfortunately it was stolen. It felt a little silly going out and buying the exact same camera that I already had, so I went ahead and upgraded to the M6 Mark ii. I love the overall feel of the camera, the screen itself is extremely bright and I have never had the need for the viewfinder - I purchased it after the fact thinking I'd use it, but honestly the screen is just much more convenient even at noon on a hot summer's day. The absolute only thing that I wish were different is there are times that I do miss the tilting screen when I want to take a vertical picture down low. I like that I have all three controls right at my fingertips, instead of just one control on the M50, I also like to use the electronic silent shutter, and also the USB charging is awesome. Overall it just feels like a more sleek and sexy camera. I loved my M50 though and would've happily stayed with it for a very long time.
This is an awesome video!!! I’ve actually been thinking about getting the m50 for a few months now and I think I’m finally gonna get it before my trip to Asia!
We're big fans of the M50! We actually just recommended it to a friend of ours a couple weeks back, so it's cool that you released this video suggesting it! Tons of features it has for a pretty great price considering!
Funny, I came to the following conclusions: 1) Detachable EVF. I hated the shape of the M50 because of that EVF. I love that I can add or remove the EVF on the M6II. Much easier to fit in smaller compartments. 2) 4K with DPAF with no additional crop (deal maker right there) 3) 24fps is now available 4) I prefer the flip up screen to the flip out 5) Better lowlight performance (another deal maker)
how is that a better low light performance? They both have the same sensor and the M50 has actually higher pixel area (13.84µm2vs10.29µm), so it should collect more light and perform better in low light.
I definitely would choose the m50 over the m6..the viewfinder and selfie rotating screen is a huge win for me for those who's needs a front facing screen...I didnt realize the price has dropped on the m50...I may need to reconsider buying one now...thank you
Hello, thanks for your review, i'm a M6 user, looking for the M6 mk ii and i want to share why i didn't go with the M50 at the time. 1- The 4K feature of the M50 was really appealing but it was cropped and Dual Pixel Autofocus wasn't working in this mode (while in 1080P it has it… like my M6mk i). 2- The articulated screen while it's great for many situations, something people doesn't talk about is gimbals, when you use a gimbal, i prefer the rotating io of articulated screen, the balance is easier, and viewing while filming is better in my opinion. 3- The EVF is a question of tastes but i appreciate the fact i can have it or not, nice for packing and look of the camera. 4- The price point, i remember when i get the M6 mk i, i got it with a nice bundle at a nice price as the camera was out for a long time. after some time, the M50 price drops too, i guess the same will happen with the M6 mkii. It's hard, only for early adopter. I will get the new M6 mk ii because i like that the 4K has DPAF (event if this 4K is oversampling), the high frame rate burst,and the ability to use all i had with the old version. Nice vid 👍🏽
Yes, M6 ii is a better video and photography camera in general than the M50. At least now you can use the 4k. 32mp is also a great advantage for sharpness. The only thing that is puzzling is why they removed 24fps only for those who really care and need it.
@@snowwalker9999 Thanks for your answer. I always shoot 30/60 fps, i don't get why people are complaining about 24fps. If you know, could you please explain me?
Joseph Tossoukpe for everything 30/60 is great but most average users today want to shoot cinematic videos and post on TH-cam. 24fps is fewer frames and looks choppier like the old film cinema that has always been shot at 24fps. It's easier to hide imperfections at that frame rate especially in a fight or fast moving scene and make it look cinematic. I hope my poor explanation makes sense :)
Hmmm… Love my M50 and all but; I'd take 32mpixels over 24 for cropping-in any day… M6 mk2 has C1, C2, M50 has none… 120fps 1080 beats 120fps at 720p… M6 has Better battery… Love the full articulated screen on the M50, but not finding it very useful for street photography… M6 flip-up slightly better for candid framing photography in the streets. For vlogging M50 wins though… Love the idea of a removable EVF, most time I shoot from the hip, and I don't even use it on the street anyway… Still in two minds whether the M6 mk2 or the 90D… or to just wait and see what's coming next. 6Dmk3?… M60?… EOSR5?…
1DX MARK III dynamic range in an M50 II is what I would like next. Just got the 16mm Sigma 1.4 prime for my M50. Anyone not happy with the M50's photos needs to really get into RAW image editing.
A used is M50 definitely better value for money. But for those with bigger wallets the M6 II has all the new upgrades you mentioned and more physical controls. As an m50 owner I'm looking forward to the m50 II and hopefully, just hopefully more M mount lens options. Any thoughts about the M6II vs the RP?
To all you M50 lovers... My M50 has some kind of bug. It auto focuses as soon as it is turned on without holding the shutter and will not stop trying to focus. Blue squares flashing on and off, searching. Also the menu button is not functioning and the touchscreen is not working and all the icons where I would normally touch are not highlighted. I cannot connect it to the pc to access pics. This all happened at the same yesterday. Any thoughts?
I missed you talk about M6 120fps and 4k without crop. Let me explain: I have a M50 and need a second câmera for Dual angle vídeo. Im considering M6 for this points OR a m200 Just for second cam. 120fps and 4k no crop (For the future) Sounds interesting. But I dont know if price difference worth it.
Thanks for the comment. If uncropped 4K and 120fps are what you need, and if you already have an M50, I think you should try the M6 mark ii. One thing to keep in mind though, the M6 overheats after about 50 minutes while shooting 4K.
@@HyunRalphJeong Thats the point. 4k is no need. Not now. 120fps is for a shot or two in one of my vídeos. Just in case. But, in Brazil, M200 costs like US$850 and M6, twice, at least. Much money for little upgrade. Im not gonna use viewfinder, mic Jack or photograph. My M50 is for it. Thats why Im so in doubt about the model.
Think I may upgrade my m50 to the m6 2...m50 bearly fits my pant pocket due to the viewfinder that I never use and I actually like the flip up screen much better. Little things like this have me decide if I choose to take the camera with me for the day or not.
We got the 80D and then the M50 recently, was interesting to hear what you thought about this plus all your insights 👍🙂 Nice and informative, thanks Ralph! - Yen
very informative like always! nowadays cameras have so many options that it takes forever to do the research and find the right one for one's needs and preferences. oh, and price!
I agree! What do you tuhink of new-"old" Sony Alpha 6XXX? I will wait until an A7000 will come out - perhaps in 2020. Because I hope, it will have full moveable/TOUCH Display...
I like the a6600 because it has a bigger battery and IBIS but it’s seems a bit expensive for what is is... I’m not sure if the a7000 will ever come out but one can only hope haha
The problem with the EOS M line is that there aren’t enough lenses available. Sure you can get an EF adapter, which is great, but kind of sucks. Now you have to consider crop factor. I wish Canon would show love, via lenses, to their APS-C models.
remytron83 I thought they were done with the ef-m line so I haven’t been recommending the m50 to anybody but then they just released the m6 mk ii so who knows? And I think Sigma is coming out with some lenses for them soon.
We have M50, and so far the best vlogging camera we have ever owned after switching from a few other cameras in the past including the 80D. The flip screen is always the best especially for vloggers like us. It's weird that Canon has removed the 24p option. Good comparison Ralph! Are you planning to get the M6 Mark ii ?
@@HyunRalphJeong I think the m6 is a good choice if 4K is important Just to make this comment more interesting I will add 2 cool accessories/lenses for the m50: the Viltrox speed booster which almost fixes the 4K crop factor. Notice I said almost. AND the Viltrox 23mm f1.4 EF-M lens with STM. Quality and great price and it has STM .
I don't get the thought process behind canon removing 24p. The literally *have* to put 25p on their cameras for the non-usa users, which is not noticably different than 24p, so why even bother.
interesting comparison - i do think having a viewfinder is extremely important and having a flip out screen too! i have a canon 80d ; would be interesting to see a comparison between 90d & 80d!
And what do you think of the M50 Mark II? For me it is only an expensive firmware/software update with old hardware. WOW - what a creative idea of Canon...
Well i love the m50... but it gives me 10fps while the m6 gives me 14fps... yeah its not a big difference, but its 4 extra photos... and as a sports photographer i must recognize that xD PLUS it shares batteries with my EOS RP!!!! so i dont need to worry about having to buy 2 different batteries but the way the screen flips in the m6 reeeaally bothers me a lot..... canon made a huge mistake there....
I just brought my m6 mkii to vlog with and compliment my EOSR, I have to say at the end of the day it's about image quality for me so I am totally impressed with the m6 mkii and the capabilities of this wee little camera, in fact I am gobsmacked just how good it is, for the first time in a long time I feel i got a camera that is better than i thought. I'll be doing my own vlog on what I think next week.
Great advice as always. When i was beginner i started with a fuji finepix 5600, which was perfect to learn functions and every else involved in photography and i think price was 2-300 dollars, maybe more i don't remember. You can always upgrade your camera later on when you know what you want from a camera and what functions you can't live without. I got a xt2 now, which is alot more expensive but knowing the functionality and features and how to use them makes it all worth it to me and i also take photography alot more serious than when i was 13 and got my first fuji camera. Great video!
Is it also true that the optional viewfinder for the Mark 6 ii utilizes the hot shoe? If that is true, you can't use and external flash and the viewfinder at the same time. That's a big drawback.
Actually the low light performance, if anything might be worse on the M6 compared to the M50. The sensors have the exact same dimensions, but there is mord pixels on the M6, leading to smaller pixels, thus less light on each pixel leading to worse low light performance. Not a huge difference, true, but you probably expect a better performing sensor in every way in a mire expensive camera, right?
In terms of sharpness and detail which one would you recommend me to buy, iPhone 12/13 Pro Max or Canon M6 Mark II? And my second question would be if Canon M6 Mark II can compete with iPhone 12/13 Pro Max in nnight and low light situations? Thanks in advance for your response.
Simply put, most average users looking at the photos on a phone screen won’t be able to tell the difference, but with a real camera, you can get much sharper photos. Smartphone cameras use a lot of digital sharpening in the software so it can look pretty close, but it’s still limited. If you know how to use a camera and if you have good lenses, you’ll have a much bigger potential with a real camera.
The most important feature that push us upgrade camera is EYE/FACE AF, I don't think the M50, and any other models one or more years old can do it well...
I thought about this but honestly my m6 would be a secondary camera to the eos R and it would be more of behind the scenes , I had the SL2 and the battery life wasn't great so I don't think the m50 battery life is good either but if it was your primary camera definitely go for the one with the view finder for sure I'd be using it for video so yeah leaning towards this or the 90d for b cam and eos R for a cam in the future (:
The lack of 24p is a selling point, major kudos to Canon for trying that. I truly cannot comprehend the absurd amount of apologists for "cinematic framerates". Objectively speaking you are asking for less realistic video. Why? Sorry, that's not my style. If I pay big bucks for a camera I want videos to look MORE lifelike, not LESS.
You're points are all valid (except the 24fpp which will be in the next M6 firmware update, but you probably know that). M50 is a great camera and if you want to save cash it is a good option. I got the M6 Mk II myself for the uncropped 4k video. APS-C cameras have enough of a crop on my EF lenses and digital IS, couldn't cope with the M50 crop added on. Although some people like the M50 crop as it gives them a Super 16 analogue (apparently).
Funny story- we just bought an M50 to replace our primary camera and will be using it in our videos soon! We decided to do it that way and get our money's worth rather than getting a cheap secondary. Thanks anyway for your advice, seems like we made a good decision!
Ralph, did Granny never come up with a firmware update where the M6 will shoot? 24p? And the second question is shouldn't you be able to just switch your camera to PAL and use the 25p?
Good video comparison. Don't forget that if you spend the extra money for the EVF on the m6 you also lose the hot shoe whereas the m50 has both an evf and a hot shoe for external flash and stuff.
Huge draw back of M50 for me: only 1 control ring, as compared to 3 on m6 ii, which makes manual mode more impractical; the lack of 120fps in 1080p, because I wanna take some slow motion videos.
I got the m50 for photos and i love it! However, it barely fits in my pockets due to the viewfinder so I may pass the m50 down to my lil brother who needs a camera and get the m6 myself.
The uncropped 4K is a big deal. Also the m6 3 wheels instead of sharing one wheel for adjusting aperture, shutter speed, and ISO. Also on the main wheel on top, the M6 has 2 extra custom settings to instantly change to 2 different custom scenarios of your making. For me, what keeps me with the m50 is the fully articulating SIDE screen and having a viewfinder, if I had some cash to spend, I might invest in having both cameras. Oh yeah, I didn't say that I have an m50 and really like it. It is my first DSLR type camera since I had a canon AE-1 film camera, way back in the olden days before digital was even a thing. Yes, I am a bit older than most if your subscribers, so my opinions come with varied experiences. Have fun. I like the way you present your content. I am a huge fan of minimal fluff and bulls---t, and you live up to that just fine. Thanks for the video.
Did you try the M6II now ? Is your opinion still the same ? Because here you just give hypothesis as far as you havent touch one of the cameras you are talking about. Not the same level, not the same quality. One is really a step further. (A happy owner of the M6II). Not saying the M50 is not good, it is a really good one, but not playing the same league.
Luthval I never said M50 is a better camera. Everything on this video was based on specs. You don’t have to try the camera in person to know how much it is or if it has a viewfinder or if it has a side flip screen. You just have to find a camera that fits your needs
@@HyunRalphJeong Your title says "5 reasons to get" (the one you already have) instead of getting the one you never tried, based on price (not the same category as I said), the EVF (M6 have one, removable that is in my opinion a "plus") and the screen (for my sake I prefer the flip screen than a fully orientable as I'm doing stills, not videos. You don't speak about real differences as the 32.5 Mpixels sensor, the superior speed (better use of the digic 8 on the M6 II), uncropped 4k, better ergonomy (dials...) And thoses options makes the difference between the entry level M50 and the M6 II and explain the price (besides the better quality of building on the M6 II that many people attest after trying both cameras. So your "only specs" advice is incomplete. It is like saying you better buy a 250D than the 90D... Of course depends on your needs, but not the same category again, so we shoud compare what is comparable.
Luthval Not sure if you watched the video but again, it’s not “m6 mk ii sucks so don’t get it.” I’m saying a lot of people may not need to spend extra $3-400 on the m6 to get good results. Like you said, it depends on your needs. If you’re happy with your camera, you don’t need to be watching reviews to validate your choices.
@@HyunRalphJeong If you are happy with your M50, why doing a "vs" with a camera you didn't try, this is what I don't understand. And you don't answer to the question, are those camera comparable ? My answer is no. So it is useless. I watch your video before buying my M6 and still buy it.
@@luthval Yes exactly! That's what people should do. Making best decisions for themselves rather than choosing a camera just because it's newer or better. If the two cameras looked exactly the same and costed the same but one had better image quality, then the choice is much more clear but like you said, the m50 and m6 mk ii are different. If the things I said in the video don't apply to you, then obviously the m6 mk ii may be the better camera for you. I'm going to repeat this again and I never said that m50 is the better camera for everyone. This video is meant for people who might be better suited for the m50.
Great observations on those camera. I still have my canon 80d but we changed up to the SONY A7iii and absolutely love it. I rarely use the viewfinder and taking away the 24p is lame. Hey but to each his own. Excellent review between the two. As full time travel vloggers we definitely take pride in trying to capture a great view. By the way could you check out our latest video as we'd love to hear your thoughts.
What I like more on M6 is better ergonomics, new way of AF control. Beter AF. Now I’m jus waiting how performs a new sensor. If it will have improvements I will consider vs RP. And Sigma will release 16/30/56 f1.4. On M series it is possible to use speedbooster. So at this moment i see more asvantages over FF like RP.
I am really interested in the Canon M50 and I am happy to learn about the SL3 as an alternative. In the past I thought to choose the SL3. Because the SL3 fits EF mount lenses and I have a lot of EF lenses. And as of 3-2021 the M50 and SL3 cost $600., each. I think I've chosen the M50 over the SL3.
@@MattHalpain you can’t go wrong with either one ... I had sl2 (loved it) but sold it ... m50 and m6II for me was just little more versatile since I had M , Ef-s and Ef lenses already , adapters can connect all kinds of lenses to M line and speedbooster benefit too. Good luck on your choice! (Can’t go wrong ) 😀
@@MattHalpain that is awesome ! The Facebook M50 and m6II forums are super helpful too , I’m on both LOL (I have 2 m50 and one m6II , speedboosters on two of them ef 24-105 stm (f2.8-f4) “full frame” look Amd primes (50 1.8 stm and 22mm 2.0) 😂👍
Perfect timing! We are considering buying a refurbished M50. We do appreciate the viewfinder too. Had no idea that image quality was almost the same. Yes, why would they do that?! We would prefer that option. Great video, Ralph.
scottsworld I read a mk ii may drop in September with uncropped 4K. Which makes sense given every decent cell phone can do uncropped 4K video. A new digic A9 sensor would be nice as well.
@@weljenks I really hope so but the r5 are coming out in September, and you can see canon have them on their website now. There is no even a clue about m5ii on their page. Hopefully it will be out in end of this year or next year with D8+ processer and m50ii along with it.
I am hoping after buying the m6 mkii coupled with the sigma f1.4 and the promise from Canon that with a firmware update we will get 24fps in video mode, what is your thoughts? I do vlogs on photography and have been searching for a good camera that meets the criteria I want form a vlogging camera, This seems to me to be the almost perfect vlogging camera, add a fast lens from sigma and you got an awesome combo.
Ian Robinson at IR-Photo-Tours It is a great vlogging camera. Canon did say 24p is coming for the m6 mk ii this year but not sure when. I think it mostly comes down to your budget and what feels better in your hands.
Anyone here interested in the new M6 focus bracketing function? With its high speed shooting rate focus bracketing is achievable handheld. I tried it at the store and got some really outstanding macro stacked shots
it looks like photography has taken a back seat and most midrange cameras and users are pushing for video features . Photography is an art but thats not that true for videographers. I think as using yt, short films etc. ppl can earn money so ppl are more into vlog cameras. For me EVF shooting is the key, a good photography equipment with quick adjustment is the rt. gear for me. Was a nikon dslr shooter, coming to mirrorless genre for size and compactness and weight.
@@HyunRalphJeong if it's a camera review should be mention , and why i should buy it if it's mention as a future? 4k is something people still may consider. here is the reason why . when i travel i want to use also the m50 for vlogging and in some cases as studio camera (because i travel for 3-4 month a year and don't want take all my gear) in this case the crop in 4k is a good thing for the 18-35mm (which is good for cin-lens studio) but the autofocus sucks and people would love to know about the 4k issue. this camera have no mic option (6d) and it's also negative thing ... now if you think the 4k is bad in m50 just say it. i'm basically helping you doing better review for the next time... good luck
Tonny Milfiger Thanks, the title of the video is “5 reasons to get the M50 instead of the M6 mk ii,” not “M50 is the best camera ever.” This is not a review nor an advertisement and if the reasons don’t apply to you, you shouldn’t buy the camera.
It's region-bound. In set-up settings on tab 3, you can choose between PAL and NTSC video system. PAL is the system for Europe, while NTSC is for America. 25p and 50p are standards in Europe while 24p, 30p and 60p are standard formats in America.
Pda007 vlogs and Gaming vlogs What do you usually shoot? I think I like the M50 better because it’s smaller but everything else should be pretty much the same.
6:40 Canon is just gifting Sony with some new customers by removing key video features… Sony will give it all and if they have new features they will just give it in firmware updates… or just get a Blackmagic camera less features but all the essentials…
The m50 mkii didn't really change much. I believe it had a little better battery life (m50 had bad battery life) and improved auto focus (m50 already had great auto focus). My main camera is a 7D mkii but I bought an m50 as a travel camera for when travelling light. Absolutely love the m50 and find myself taking it with me a lot. Have a few Canon and Sigma ef-m lens and the Canon adaptor so I can use my dslr lenses on it.
As a Canon M50 owner, I arrived at all the same conclusions. It’s a brilliant little camera which gives you more bang for your money.
Agreed!
I have both models , love them... m50 4k speedbooster is really sweet (manual focus on 4k ) LOL 😂
Hey folks. Would either the M50 or the M6mrk2 be suitable for shooting motorsports? Are either capable at capturing these type of moving subjects or would it be a complete struggle or waste? Thank you.
"I should actually just do a video talking about Canon's product lineup and their naming system"
Yes please it makes no sense haha
I originally had the M50 and loved it, but unfortunately it was stolen. It felt a little silly going out and buying the exact same camera that I already had, so I went ahead and upgraded to the M6 Mark ii. I love the overall feel of the camera, the screen itself is extremely bright and I have never had the need for the viewfinder - I purchased it after the fact thinking I'd use it, but honestly the screen is just much more convenient even at noon on a hot summer's day. The absolute only thing that I wish were different is there are times that I do miss the tilting screen when I want to take a vertical picture down low.
I like that I have all three controls right at my fingertips, instead of just one control on the M50, I also like to use the electronic silent shutter, and also the USB charging is awesome. Overall it just feels like a more sleek and sexy camera. I loved my M50 though and would've happily stayed with it for a very long time.
This is an awesome video!!! I’ve actually been thinking about getting the m50 for a few months now and I think I’m finally gonna get it before my trip to Asia!
feed meimei Do it!
@@FoodandFootprints hehe then I can be part of the m50 squad w u guys :)
You should! That’s the one we have, it’s awesome 👏🏼
@@feedmeimei did you do it ?
Craig Anthony I did! I use the M50 and G7X for my videos now :)
We're big fans of the M50! We actually just recommended it to a friend of ours a couple weeks back, so it's cool that you released this video suggesting it! Tons of features it has for a pretty great price considering!
Funny, I came to the following conclusions:
1) Detachable EVF. I hated the shape of the M50 because of that EVF. I love that I can add or remove the EVF on the M6II. Much easier to fit in smaller compartments.
2) 4K with DPAF with no additional crop (deal maker right there)
3) 24fps is now available
4) I prefer the flip up screen to the flip out
5) Better lowlight performance (another deal maker)
how is that a better low light performance? They both have the same sensor and the M50 has actually higher pixel area (13.84µm2vs10.29µm), so it should collect more light and perform better in low light.
@@ndon85 higher the pixel count, smaller the size of each pixel, which means it'll let in less light.
The M6 Mark II is a beast!
I definitely would choose the m50 over the m6..the viewfinder and selfie rotating screen is a huge win for me for those who's needs a front facing screen...I didnt realize the price has dropped on the m50...I may need to reconsider buying one now...thank you
The price makes it really worth it
I prefer using the viewfinder for the most part. Just whenever I do low shots is when I use the screen
Hello, thanks for your review, i'm a M6 user, looking for the M6 mk ii and i want to share why i didn't go with the M50 at the time.
1- The 4K feature of the M50 was really appealing but it was cropped and Dual Pixel Autofocus wasn't working in this mode (while in 1080P it has it… like my M6mk i).
2- The articulated screen while it's great for many situations, something people doesn't talk about is gimbals, when you use a gimbal, i prefer the rotating io of articulated screen, the balance is easier, and viewing while filming is better in my opinion.
3- The EVF is a question of tastes but i appreciate the fact i can have it or not, nice for packing and look of the camera.
4- The price point, i remember when i get the M6 mk i, i got it with a nice bundle at a nice price as the camera was out for a long time. after some time, the M50 price drops too, i guess the same will happen with the M6 mkii. It's hard, only for early adopter.
I will get the new M6 mk ii because i like that the 4K has DPAF (event if this 4K is oversampling), the high frame rate burst,and the ability to use all i had with the old version.
Nice vid 👍🏽
Yes, M6 ii is a better video and photography camera in general than the M50. At least now you can use the 4k. 32mp is also a great advantage for sharpness. The only thing that is puzzling is why they removed 24fps only for those who really care and need it.
@@snowwalker9999 Thanks for your answer. I always shoot 30/60 fps, i don't get why people are complaining about 24fps. If you know, could you please explain me?
Joseph Tossoukpe for everything 30/60 is great but most average users today want to shoot cinematic videos and post on TH-cam. 24fps is fewer frames and looks choppier like the old film cinema that has always been shot at 24fps. It's easier to hide imperfections at that frame rate especially in a fight or fast moving scene and make it look cinematic. I hope my poor explanation makes sense :)
@@snowwalker9999 Hey, thanks for your answer 👍🏽
The m50 is awesome and it’s Ralph approved !
Hmmm… Love my M50 and all but; I'd take 32mpixels over 24 for cropping-in any day…
M6 mk2 has C1, C2, M50 has none…
120fps 1080 beats 120fps at 720p…
M6 has Better battery…
Love the full articulated screen on the M50, but not finding it very useful for street photography… M6 flip-up slightly better for candid framing photography in the streets. For vlogging M50 wins though…
Love the idea of a removable EVF, most time I shoot from the hip, and I don't even use it on the street anyway…
Still in two minds whether the M6 mk2 or the 90D… or to just wait and see what's coming next. 6Dmk3?… M60?… EOSR5?…
Quite a confusing time for camera buyers...but always nice to have options. I'm most curious of what the next EOS R camera would be like.
1DX MARK III dynamic range in an M50 II is what I would like next. Just got the 16mm Sigma 1.4 prime for my M50. Anyone not happy with the M50's photos needs to really get into RAW image editing.
A used is M50 definitely better value for money. But for those with bigger wallets the M6 II has all the new upgrades you mentioned and more physical controls. As an m50 owner I'm looking forward to the m50 II and hopefully, just hopefully more M mount lens options. Any thoughts about the M6II vs the RP?
The M6ii is a much faster camera than the RP for sure...but I really wish it had a viewfinder.
To all you M50 lovers... My M50 has some kind of bug. It auto focuses as soon as it is turned on without holding the shutter and will not stop trying to focus. Blue squares flashing on and off, searching. Also the menu button is not functioning and the touchscreen is not working and all the icons where I would normally touch are not highlighted. I cannot connect it to the pc to access pics. This all happened at the same yesterday. Any thoughts?
I missed you talk about M6 120fps and 4k without crop. Let me explain: I have a M50 and need a second câmera for Dual angle vídeo. Im considering M6 for this points OR a m200 Just for second cam. 120fps and 4k no crop (For the future) Sounds interesting. But I dont know if price difference worth it.
Thanks for the comment. If uncropped 4K and 120fps are what you need, and if you already have an M50, I think you should try the M6 mark ii. One thing to keep in mind though, the M6 overheats after about 50 minutes while shooting 4K.
@@HyunRalphJeong Thats the point. 4k is no need. Not now. 120fps is for a shot or two in one of my vídeos. Just in case. But, in Brazil, M200 costs like US$850 and M6, twice, at least. Much money for little upgrade. Im not gonna use viewfinder, mic Jack or photograph. My M50 is for it. Thats why Im so in doubt about the model.
Nice work man. This helps a lot as I have been oscillating between the 2. Thank you!
One of the best comparison.
You explained it in a simple but very informative way.
I have the M6 mk I and the removable evf, I have yet to really need it. With the 22mm F2, it fits in my pocket and goes with me every where.
Think I may upgrade my m50 to the m6 2...m50 bearly fits my pant pocket due to the viewfinder that I never use and I actually like the flip up screen much better. Little things like this have me decide if I choose to take the camera with me for the day or not.
then get the m100, its tiiinnyyy
Yesss Team M50 right here!
Food and Footprints M50!!!
Is it possible to turn the viewfinder off to save battery?
We got the 80D and then the M50 recently, was interesting to hear what you thought about this plus all your insights 👍🙂 Nice and informative, thanks Ralph! - Yen
Peter and Yen Haha that’s right! I was really surprised by how small it was. Perfect for travel
hi, I know this comment was a while ago, but which do you prefer for filming videos?
@@devon__king hiya, were you asking us or Ralph? ☺ for us we much preferred the 80D 👍
very informative like always! nowadays cameras have so many options that it takes forever to do the research and find the right one for one's needs and preferences. oh, and price!
Lifetime Travelmates Yeah the M50 is such a great deal right now
I agree! What do you tuhink of new-"old" Sony Alpha 6XXX? I will wait until an A7000 will come out - perhaps in 2020. Because I hope, it will have full moveable/TOUCH Display...
I like the a6600 because it has a bigger battery and IBIS but it’s seems a bit expensive for what is is... I’m not sure if the a7000 will ever come out but one can only hope haha
Yes hope is dying last...smile
The problem with the EOS M line is that there aren’t enough lenses available. Sure you can get an EF adapter, which is great, but kind of sucks. Now you have to consider crop factor. I wish Canon would show love, via lenses, to their APS-C models.
remytron83 I thought they were done with the ef-m line so I haven’t been recommending the m50 to anybody but then they just released the m6 mk ii so who knows? And I think Sigma is coming out with some lenses for them soon.
We have M50, and so far the best vlogging camera we have ever owned after switching from a few other cameras in the past including the 80D.
The flip screen is always the best especially for vloggers like us.
It's weird that Canon has removed the 24p option.
Good comparison Ralph! Are you planning to get the M6 Mark ii ?
Two Hungry Diners Probably not, but I didn’t think I’d get the M50 either haha
@@HyunRalphJeong I think the m6 is a good choice if 4K is important
Just to make this comment more interesting I will add 2 cool accessories/lenses for the m50:
the Viltrox speed booster which almost fixes the 4K crop factor. Notice I said almost.
AND
the Viltrox 23mm f1.4 EF-M lens with STM. Quality and great price and it has STM
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I don't get the thought process behind canon removing 24p. The literally *have* to put 25p on their cameras for the non-usa users, which is not noticably different than 24p, so why even bother.
interesting comparison - i do think having a viewfinder is extremely important and having a flip out screen too!
i have a canon 80d ; would be interesting to see a comparison between 90d & 80d!
Janice Fung Yeah I used to have the 80D and loved it. The 90D looks really cool
As always a well thought out video with sound sense! Very helpful. Thank you
Nigel Charlton Thank you for the kind words!
Definitely worth every second to watch, cuz got choice to buy between M50 or M6 Mark ii. Very helpful man. Thanks
And what do you think of the M50 Mark II?
For me it is only an expensive firmware/software update with old hardware.
WOW - what a creative idea of Canon...
I got it. I love it, with a $40 adapter I can use great glass. Got mine used with 15-45mm lens for $400 used
David Perez where?
Nishka Anna-lee on facebook some lady dropped the price to $400 with the kit lens
I found an offer for m6mii with kit lens for 799 euros new VS Canon m50 with kits lens 599 euros. Do you think it is a good deal?
Well i love the m50... but it gives me 10fps while the m6 gives me 14fps...
yeah its not a big difference, but its 4 extra photos... and as a sports photographer i must recognize that xD
PLUS it shares batteries with my EOS RP!!!! so i dont need to worry about having to buy 2 different batteries
but the way the screen flips in the m6 reeeaally bothers me a lot..... canon made a huge mistake there....
I'm more into photography, than videography. Thus, my vote is still with the M6 mark ii.
I just brought my m6 mkii to vlog with and compliment my EOSR, I have to say at the end of the day it's about image quality for me so I am totally impressed with the m6 mkii and the capabilities of this wee little camera, in fact I am gobsmacked just how good it is, for the first time in a long time I feel i got a camera that is better than i thought. I'll be doing my own vlog on what I think next week.
The whole vlogging fad has made doing camera research for photography extremely hard.
@@Expressionistix what makes it hard? All camera revviews tackle handling, image quality, autofocus, etc, which are photography centric features.
is the dynamic range better on m6? would either be a much better low light improvement to 800d?
The comparison points are sharp. Very helpful. Thank you!
Great advice as always. When i was beginner i started with a fuji finepix 5600, which was perfect to learn functions and every else involved in photography and i think price was 2-300 dollars, maybe more i don't remember. You can always upgrade your camera later on when you know what you want from a camera and what functions you can't live without. I got a xt2 now, which is alot more expensive but knowing the functionality and features and how to use them makes it all worth it to me and i also take photography alot more serious than when i was 13 and got my first fuji camera. Great video!
Thanks! The XT2 is such a fun camera.
Is it also true that the optional viewfinder for the Mark 6 ii utilizes the hot shoe? If that is true, you can't use and external flash and the viewfinder at the same time. That's a big drawback.
Actually the low light performance, if anything might be worse on the M6 compared to the M50. The sensors have the exact same dimensions, but there is mord pixels on the M6, leading to smaller pixels, thus less light on each pixel leading to worse low light performance. Not a huge difference, true, but you probably expect a better performing sensor in every way in a mire expensive camera, right?
No this is not true. M50 has incredibly noisy sensor, on iso1000 you have a lot of noise. M6 II is much better in this regard.
Please make a video about Canon's product lineup and naming system.
There are few for Sony but have not found any for Canon.
th-cam.com/video/bw1xG125o7A/w-d-xo.html this is an older video but it might help you clear things up a bit
@@HyunRalphJeong Ok Thanks.
The fact that there is no viewfinder and you have to pay 200 for it is simply unacceptable
Lieles loves the M50, he really enjoys the light weight of the mirrorless camera
The Mamuchos hahaha Lieles needs a bigger camera! Like the 1dx!
In terms of sharpness and detail which one would you recommend me to buy, iPhone 12/13 Pro Max or Canon M6 Mark II? And my second question would be if Canon M6 Mark II can compete with iPhone 12/13 Pro Max in nnight and low light situations? Thanks in advance for your response.
Simply put, most average users looking at the photos on a phone screen won’t be able to tell the difference, but with a real camera, you can get much sharper photos. Smartphone cameras use a lot of digital sharpening in the software so it can look pretty close, but it’s still limited. If you know how to use a camera and if you have good lenses, you’ll have a much bigger potential with a real camera.
Smart phones will still struggle more in low light than a dedicated camera with fast glass
Great points. I pre-ordered the M6 Mark II but will keep this in mind as I test it.
Glad the M50 gets your stamp of approval!
I was stuck which one to get with this video and coming from a smartphone camera I think the M50 is the best for my needs . thanks.
I’m sure you will do a 90d review and I really can’t wait for it!!
The Mamuchos Haha very tempting indeed
The most important feature that push us upgrade camera is EYE/FACE AF, I don't think the M50, and any other models one or more years old can do it well...
I mean in CANON lineup, SONY did it well since A7III.
I thought about this but honestly my m6 would be a secondary camera to the eos R and it would be more of behind the scenes , I had the SL2 and the battery life wasn't great so I don't think the m50 battery life is good either but if it was your primary camera definitely go for the one with the view finder for sure I'd be using it for video so yeah leaning towards this or the 90d for b cam and eos R for a cam in the future (:
The lack of 24p is a selling point, major kudos to Canon for trying that. I truly cannot comprehend the absurd amount of apologists for "cinematic framerates". Objectively speaking you are asking for less realistic video. Why? Sorry, that's not my style. If I pay big bucks for a camera I want videos to look MORE lifelike, not LESS.
You're points are all valid (except the 24fpp which will be in the next M6 firmware update, but you probably know that). M50 is a great camera and if you want to save cash it is a good option. I got the M6 Mk II myself for the uncropped 4k video. APS-C cameras have enough of a crop on my EF lenses and digital IS, couldn't cope with the M50 crop added on. Although some people like the M50 crop as it gives them a Super 16 analogue (apparently).
Funny story- we just bought an M50 to replace our primary camera and will be using it in our videos soon! We decided to do it that way and get our money's worth rather than getting a cheap secondary. Thanks anyway for your advice, seems like we made a good decision!
m50 best canon bargain out there
The screen is the biggest selling point, but the M50 is awesome for video's and also stills are excellent
isnt there going to be a newer version for the m50
M6mkii here! Couldn’t be happier
Ralph, did Granny never come up with a firmware update where the M6 will shoot? 24p? And the second question is shouldn't you be able to just switch your camera to PAL and use the 25p?
Good video comparison. Don't forget that if you spend the extra money for the EVF on the m6 you also lose the hot shoe whereas the m50 has both an evf and a hot shoe for external flash and stuff.
Huge draw back of M50 for me: only 1 control ring, as compared to 3 on m6 ii, which makes manual mode more impractical; the lack of 120fps in 1080p, because I wanna take some slow motion videos.
Now, I gotta buy Canon M50
I swear Canon is bringing out these new cameras to boost their sales of their old cameras 😂😂
I got the m50 for photos and i love it! However, it barely fits in my pockets due to the viewfinder so I may pass the m50 down to my lil brother who needs a camera and get the m6 myself.
The uncropped 4K is a big deal. Also the m6 3 wheels instead of sharing one wheel for adjusting aperture, shutter speed, and ISO. Also on the main wheel on top, the M6 has 2 extra custom settings to instantly change to 2 different custom scenarios of your making. For me, what keeps me with the m50 is the fully articulating SIDE screen and having a viewfinder, if I had some cash to spend, I might invest in having both cameras. Oh yeah, I didn't say that I have an m50 and really like it. It is my first DSLR type camera since I had a canon AE-1 film camera, way back in the olden days before digital was even a thing. Yes, I am a bit older than most if your subscribers, so my opinions come with varied experiences. Have fun. I like the way you present your content. I am a huge fan of minimal fluff and bulls---t, and you live up to that just fine. Thanks for the video.
Did you try the M6II now ? Is your opinion still the same ? Because here you just give hypothesis as far as you havent touch one of the cameras you are talking about. Not the same level, not the same quality. One is really a step further. (A happy owner of the M6II). Not saying the M50 is not good, it is a really good one, but not playing the same league.
Luthval I never said M50 is a better camera. Everything on this video was based on specs. You don’t have to try the camera in person to know how much it is or if it has a viewfinder or if it has a side flip screen. You just have to find a camera that fits your needs
@@HyunRalphJeong Your title says "5 reasons to get" (the one you already have) instead of getting the one you never tried, based on price (not the same category as I said), the EVF (M6 have one, removable that is in my opinion a "plus") and the screen (for my sake I prefer the flip screen than a fully orientable as I'm doing stills, not videos. You don't speak about real differences as the 32.5 Mpixels sensor, the superior speed (better use of the digic 8 on the M6 II), uncropped 4k, better ergonomy (dials...) And thoses options makes the difference between the entry level M50 and the M6 II and explain the price (besides the better quality of building on the M6 II that many people attest after trying both cameras. So your "only specs" advice is incomplete. It is like saying you better buy a 250D than the 90D... Of course depends on your needs, but not the same category again, so we shoud compare what is comparable.
Luthval Not sure if you watched the video but again, it’s not “m6 mk ii sucks so don’t get it.” I’m saying a lot of people may not need to spend extra $3-400 on the m6 to get good results. Like you said, it depends on your needs. If you’re happy with your camera, you don’t need to be watching reviews to validate your choices.
@@HyunRalphJeong If you are happy with your M50, why doing a "vs" with a camera you didn't try, this is what I don't understand. And you don't answer to the question, are those camera comparable ? My answer is no. So it is useless. I watch your video before buying my M6 and still buy it.
@@luthval Yes exactly! That's what people should do. Making best decisions for themselves rather than choosing a camera just because it's newer or better. If the two cameras looked exactly the same and costed the same but one had better image quality, then the choice is much more clear but like you said, the m50 and m6 mk ii are different. If the things I said in the video don't apply to you, then obviously the m6 mk ii may be the better camera for you. I'm going to repeat this again and I never said that m50 is the better camera for everyone. This video is meant for people who might be better suited for the m50.
How good is the image quality of m50 when using legacy lens like the EF ones
samirmitch Exactly the same as they are on EF cameras
Great observations on those camera. I still have my canon 80d but we changed up to the SONY A7iii and absolutely love it. I rarely use the viewfinder and taking away the 24p is lame. Hey but to each his own. Excellent review between the two. As full time travel vloggers we definitely take pride in trying to capture a great view. By the way could you check out our latest video as we'd love to hear your thoughts.
What I like more on M6 is better ergonomics, new way of AF control. Beter AF. Now I’m jus waiting how performs a new sensor. If it will have improvements I will consider vs RP. And Sigma will release 16/30/56 f1.4. On M series it is possible to use speedbooster. So at this moment i see more asvantages over FF like RP.
This is a pretty solid take
Thank you so much for your awesome video. You are so right in this comparison. The M50 is for me.
24p is available on m6II with FW update
Yeah, I believe it's coming next year. It's not available yet.
Yes early 2020
I am really interested in the Canon M50 and I am happy to learn about the SL3 as an alternative. In the past I thought to choose the SL3. Because the SL3 fits EF mount lenses and I have a lot of EF lenses. And as of 3-2021 the M50 and SL3 cost $600., each. I think I've chosen the M50 over the SL3.
Sl3 is nice , but The m50 is really good, if you have speedbooster, it can be “almost full frame”, and has focus leaking too for manual focus
@@PVMMAC thank you for the tip and advice. :)
@@MattHalpain you can’t go wrong with either one ... I had sl2 (loved it) but sold it ... m50 and m6II for me was just little more versatile since I had M , Ef-s and Ef lenses already , adapters can connect all kinds of lenses to M line and speedbooster benefit too. Good luck on your choice! (Can’t go wrong ) 😀
@@PVMMAC thank you very much :) for your advice. I think I will go with the speed booster and the M50. I really want to try mirror less camera.
@@MattHalpain that is awesome ! The Facebook M50 and m6II forums are super helpful too , I’m on both LOL (I have 2 m50 and one m6II , speedboosters on two of them ef 24-105 stm (f2.8-f4) “full frame” look Amd primes (50 1.8 stm and 22mm 2.0) 😂👍
Perfect timing! We are considering buying a refurbished M50. We do appreciate the viewfinder too. Had no idea that image quality was almost the same. Yes, why would they do that?! We would prefer that option. Great video, Ralph.
Woah, now you’ve got me thinking 🤔 (I was really hoping for a new M50 mk II this year)
scottsworld I read a mk ii may drop in September with uncropped 4K. Which makes sense given every decent cell phone can do uncropped 4K video. A new digic A9 sensor would be nice as well.
@@weljenks I really hope so but the r5 are coming out in September, and you can see canon have them on their website now. There is no even a clue about m5ii on their page. Hopefully it will be out in end of this year or next year with D8+ processer and m50ii along with it.
Yes! Please do a video about Canon’s naming scheme/product line up because I’m new to Canon and it’s not easy to figure it out.
I got the Canon M50 and it is very impressive even with the kit-lens especially after getting a ND filter
I am hoping after buying the m6 mkii coupled with the sigma f1.4 and the promise from Canon that with a firmware update we will get 24fps in video mode, what is your thoughts? I do vlogs on photography and have been searching for a good camera that meets the criteria I want form a vlogging camera, This seems to me to be the almost perfect vlogging camera, add a fast lens from sigma and you got an awesome combo.
Ian Robinson at IR-Photo-Tours It is a great vlogging camera. Canon did say 24p is coming for the m6 mk ii this year but not sure when. I think it mostly comes down to your budget and what feels better in your hands.
Very informative. Thanks a lot. What do you recommend for a beginner? An M50 or Fuji XT30. I will mainly use it for stills and minimal video use..
Thank you for this video. Currently trying to figure out which one to get!!!
Anyone here interested in the new M6 focus bracketing function? With its high speed shooting rate focus bracketing is achievable handheld. I tried it at the store and got some really outstanding macro stacked shots
This is a spec sheet driven video. To conclude anything meaningful compare m50 vs m6 mkii in real world usage.
Good point, but I don't think I need to buy the camera to see how expensive it is, or if it has a viewfinder...lol
for 4k, m6ii is much better so is slow mo 1080/120p; better controls including min.shutter speed for Auto ISO.
Yep, still a decent option for $400 more if you need those.
My main reasons to pick M6 mark ii
No crop 4k
Dual pixel autofocus in 4k
Higher megapixels
And it now has 24fps
What’s the best lens to get for that camera? I plan on doing TH-cam Content and taking good photos
Oooh M50.. interesting.. can't decide what camera to get lol.. but you're tempting me with this one..
Pogiboy Productions Haha do it!
Hi Ralph, can we use M50's touchscreen to select focus while using the viewfinder?
u can, i am m50 owner
Engorgio Armani Yep
Aside the Autofocus, do u think g7x3 is good for video?
it looks like photography has taken a back seat and most midrange cameras and users are pushing for video features . Photography is an art but thats not that true for videographers. I think as using yt, short films etc. ppl can earn money so ppl are more into vlog cameras. For me EVF shooting is the key, a good photography equipment with quick adjustment is the rt. gear for me. Was a nikon dslr shooter, coming to mirrorless genre for size and compactness and weight.
you didn't talked about the focus in 4k which is consider to be bad on the m50 ...
Tonny Milfiger Not bad, it’s non existent lol. You shouldn’t buy the m50 if you want to shoot 4k in the first place
@@HyunRalphJeong if it's a camera review should be mention , and why i should buy it if it's mention as a future? 4k is something people still may consider. here is the reason why . when i travel i want to use also the m50 for vlogging and in some cases as studio camera (because i travel for 3-4 month a year and don't want take all my gear) in this case the crop in 4k is a good thing for the 18-35mm (which is good for cin-lens studio) but the autofocus sucks and people would love to know about the 4k issue. this camera have no mic option (6d) and it's also negative thing ... now if you think the 4k is bad in m50 just say it. i'm basically helping you doing better review for the next time... good luck
Tonny Milfiger Thanks, the title of the video is “5 reasons to get the M50 instead of the M6 mk ii,” not “M50 is the best camera ever.” This is not a review nor an advertisement and if the reasons don’t apply to you, you shouldn’t buy the camera.
Those are some good observations 👏
Thank you :)
In my m50 there is no 24p.. there is 25 or 50p. Why? :(
I also have that problem
It's region-bound. In set-up settings on tab 3, you can choose between PAL and NTSC video system. PAL is the system for Europe, while NTSC is for America. 25p and 50p are standards in Europe while 24p, 30p and 60p are standard formats in America.
@@JeffreyYu Exactly
What are your views on the Canon 200d mark ii?? I am wanting to buy a camera and I can't decide between the 250d mark ii and M50
Pda007 vlogs and Gaming vlogs What do you usually shoot? I think I like the M50 better because it’s smaller but everything else should be pretty much the same.
@@HyunRalphJeong I mostly shoot videos but how long will the battery last?
For me any mention in the marketing and packaging that a camera is made for vlogging will remove itself from my list of cameras I'm looking to buy.
Really useful. Thank you 😊
What’s the best lens to get for the M50? I plan on taking pictures and TH-cam Vloging
Thanks for this video. It help clarify some good points, especially for video people who also take many stills. Thanks
Finally someone with true facts and what we realy need. Hi i got M50 👍
Is the M6 Mark ii a viable option for live-streaming?
Good points and comparison 👍
6:40 Canon is just gifting Sony with some new customers by removing key video features… Sony will give it all and if they have new features they will just give it in firmware updates… or just get a Blackmagic camera less features but all the essentials…
I'm just getting into photography... Is there a difference between m50 and m50 mark ii?
The m50 mkii didn't really change much. I believe it had a little better battery life (m50 had bad battery life) and improved auto focus (m50 already had great auto focus).
My main camera is a 7D mkii but I bought an m50 as a travel camera for when travelling light. Absolutely love the m50 and find myself taking it with me a lot. Have a few Canon and Sigma ef-m lens and the Canon adaptor so I can use my dslr lenses on it.