Hey mate, thanks for posting that, it is really helpful while we’ve been considering the same system for our hockey club… the biggest barrier for us to purchase is the subscription model. Brilliant review
Thanks for your honesty. We had Veo 1 and nothing but problems. Now they are on generation 3 and they’ve upped the subscription rate. Upload still takes hours and now the cost is unaffordable for our team. Useless green triangle now. Buyer beware.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR VIDEO AND YOUR HONESTY AND INTEGRITY!! I was about to order one of these cameras and with your help I'll keep searching for the right one!!
When I first showed up at my former high school with a camera offering to help out, my old coach was like "we good, we got robot cameras that do that already." They do what they're supposed to, offer 720p "60" (I think they just double 30 frames though), stream to facebook and youtube, and compile player reels afterwards. But they're not exceedingly fun to watch and they do some sports better than others (swimming is unwatchable). They don't look anywhere as nice as the Veo, not even the outdoor ones in sunlight, and they use one motorized camera. I'd love to have something like the Veo as a second shooter to cover gaps in what I get manually but the price structure makes it unhelpful for the sort of thing that I'd want it most for, local events where I'm by myself, just trying to help out. For that price I could hire two kids with cell phones, get better footage, and not have to wait for it.
As a career It professional, I can tell you that first level support ANYWHERE, is going to be hit or miss. These roles turn over extremely fast and are often out-sourced. Do your best to be patient. But if you feel like you are not getting anywhere, ask the technician to escalate. Especially if no progress has been made within 3-5 business days. This was a great video btw. I learned a lot more from you than I did from their site. I'll give you a like and sub.
Having done a few livestreams ourselves recently, following a couple of hundred regular downloaded games, it seems very evident that the camera processes a trimmed down version to send out live, the zoom and res' is know where as good as the fully processed version.
im sure in the near future you would set up like 6 of these cameras around the field and the app would go between whatever camera was closest to get a better view of the ball
Thanks for the video! I have a question, do you have to buy subscription? Can I just buy the camer and not have all the extra but still be able to download footage later on my own and share it with others?
You should watch the first video I made about this camera where I talk about the subscription model in details th-cam.com/video/plaIiffAGIo/w-d-xo.html But to answer your question, you do need to have a subscription to access the footage. You can't download it without one.
I’m a basketball coach and was wondering how well does it do with recording the games? What plan did you get? It’s hard for me to get somebody to record my games,so I need something like this. Is it worth the money?
What I know from ours, is that the long processes give you the stats, breakdown. Each game break point, Corners, goal kicks, etc. Cause now their analytics is more powerful. The processing usually goes pretty fast, I wonder if it was your connection? I can usually upload a game and have it turn around in about 3-4 hours. This is more or less just for regular game broadcasting or match highlights. For more individualized highlights you’ll never beat a camera on the field and more knowledgeable cameraman. Cool hearing your take on it though E!!
It's a cool product - I can definitely see potential value to coaches, players, and parents. But it definitely would be nice to have better zoom capability for covering a soccer field - it's hard to see what's happening down around the goal. Maybe if you could set up a few of them around the field, or if it had multiple lenses of different lengths that it could seamlessly switch between like on a smart phone. The subscription model is kind of a turn off for me. But given the streaming and processing features it supports, and in the context of a sports team where you have a bunch of people paying regular membership dues - the subscription model makes sense I guess.
I was wondering how you scale the video without pixelating the videos? I'm trying to zoom in on specific plays for athlete highlights. My problem is when I try zooming on another program (e.g. iMovie) that is just makes everything blurry. Thank you and Happy Holidays
All AI functions happen post recording. Not sure exactly what comes with your subscription but it should be easy to find out once you log into your account.
As a tool for analysis, great, see player positions game play etc, try watching a game as a spectator and unless the action is right in front of you forget it. I film and stream local games for a couple of clubs and they all bought one two years ago, I was told we won't be needing your services from now on, guess what I'm still there.
hmmm not sure. I'm thinking that the camera would struggle to pick who to focus on if there are multiple matches happening simultaneously on different mats. But I have no idea to be honest.
Firstly that was the wrong tripod to use for 11 a side football. The viewpoint is wrong which in turn means you miss out on a lot of stuff on the opposite side of the field. It also screws with the analytics when you put it on the wrong side as it struggles to differentiate between players etc.. My suggestion would be to do it again with the 7m tripod and you will see a big difference. Don’t forget that this is gold for coaches to see the overall movement of a team and transitions of play etc. This is not really about videography as such.
Hey Mark, yes the higher the camera is, the more you’ll get a bird’s eye view of the game which makes it easier for the computer to identify players but it also means that everyone is further away from the camera so not too great for recruiting videos for examples. And there’s no such thing as the right side of the field. I had that conversation with Veo and there’s absolutely no difference other than what I said about the position of the sun. And finally yes you are right, this is for coaches and not videographers. Which is exactly what I said in my conclusion.
It's just sad that the Veo needs to put their darn logo in the corner although you spent 1k for it and need to buy a subscription plan to use extras. Also you cannot have overlays yet (maybe in a Veo 3.0). Personally it beats no camera man as the human eye is quicker to catch important scenes
What do you mean overlays? There is an editing tool in the software once it’s DL. Also, you can DL your video and if you have Apple, you can use iMovie or whatever else to edit.
I’m far from an expert since that was the only time I ever used one. But if you want the video to look good and be pleasant to watch for a casual viewer, you don’t want the camera to be too high because you want to stay relatively close to the action. But if your video is for coaching purposes, you want the camera to be much higher for a birds eye view. That will give you a much better view of the positioning of each player on the pitch.
I think I'd be better setting up 3 gopros (for junior grassroots football), left, centre & right of the pitch and editing the footage together. All the play at the far ends of the pitches is unwatchable to me.
The manufacturer of this camera preys on the fact that sports clubs don't have enough staff to take the time to record and edit every match. But I honestly find it ridiculous that for something that can be handled with two sports cameras set up perpendicularly, Veo makes you pay huge money. Monthly. I record my team's matches for training purposes and without exaggeration, it takes me about an hour to process one match. I use one drone and sometimes an additional ground camera. The good thing is that apparently such products do not threaten videophotographers who know their job :)
I can't find any information on how your found your footage, but I have the same issue. I filmed a game, it seem to upload okay, but it's not available in my library and seems to have disappeared into cyber space. Frustrating stuff!
Appreciate the quick reply on that! I have to check into that with the club I coach for as we have two and this is the second time I have used them and a different camera than the other one I used last time around. Thanks again for the reply!
As a sports videographer, I was looking more at the image quality then the game coverage. Putting the camera higher gives you a better perspective for coaching purposes but the footage won't be great for highlights or hype reels.
Last year the Veo guys told me this could film/livestream rugby. It definitely couldn’t. Combined with them having probably the worst support team ever… not a good experience
Yeah I haven't tried it myself but I imagine it would be hard for the AI to follow the ball when a player tucks it in against their body and starts running.
Yeah I’d be curious to try it but I have to return the camera tomorrow. My guess is the camera shot would stay quite wide the entire time so it doesn’t have to move as much.
I think coaches love it but if you’re using it just for videography purposes, it’s not great. I’d love to use it as a backup but it’s quite expensive for a backup plan.
It is very expensive for a freelance videographer but to be fair, it's not that expensive for a club because it basically replaces having a videographer present at every game and every training which would be much more expensive.
@@snuman32 The camera itself is $1K and then you have to pay $250 or $500 for a tripod depending on the size that you want. Subscription fees vary between $85 and $200 per month depending on the features that you need and if you want a monthly or yearly contract.
Let me know what you think of the image quality. Is it better or worse than what you expected?
better
Better
Better than expected 👍
It's good enough but too expensive.
Sorry to say man. You didn’t have the Veo high enough to capture the full grasp at what it could do. It’s sully to be an ariel view.
Good to see the final result. Again, looks like it's hard to beat a camera operator/Videographer on the sideline or stands. Great video 👏🏻
Yeah we still haven't lost to the machines just yet! 💪🏽
@@BeyondTheGame_E 🤣🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Hey mate, thanks for posting that, it is really helpful while we’ve been considering the same system for our hockey club… the biggest barrier for us to purchase is the subscription model. Brilliant review
Thanks for your honesty. We had Veo 1 and nothing but problems. Now they are on generation 3 and they’ve upped the subscription rate. Upload still takes hours and now the cost is unaffordable for our team. Useless green triangle now. Buyer beware.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR VIDEO AND YOUR HONESTY AND INTEGRITY!! I was about to order one of these cameras and with your help I'll keep searching for the right one!!
What did you prefer, and are you happy?
Little off topic:
your 6 second intro video in this one was absolute dynamite! Loved it!
Thank you!
You have been an inspiration to me, great content sir,
Thanks for the video.
As somebody who is just starting out trying to edit down VEO footage for my local rugby side, this was really informative.
My pleasure!
When I first showed up at my former high school with a camera offering to help out, my old coach was like "we good, we got robot cameras that do that already." They do what they're supposed to, offer 720p "60" (I think they just double 30 frames though), stream to facebook and youtube, and compile player reels afterwards. But they're not exceedingly fun to watch and they do some sports better than others (swimming is unwatchable). They don't look anywhere as nice as the Veo, not even the outdoor ones in sunlight, and they use one motorized camera.
I'd love to have something like the Veo as a second shooter to cover gaps in what I get manually but the price structure makes it unhelpful for the sort of thing that I'd want it most for, local events where I'm by myself, just trying to help out. For that price I could hire two kids with cell phones, get better footage, and not have to wait for it.
That's exactly how I feel. With the current subscription model, it makes sense for a club but not for a videographer.
Great follow up video. I was happy to see the final result, at 1st I thought the VEO watermark was intentional by you until you said otherwise.
It isn't unfortunately 😢
As a career It professional, I can tell you that first level support ANYWHERE, is going to be hit or miss. These roles turn over extremely fast and are often out-sourced. Do your best to be patient. But if you feel like you are not getting anywhere, ask the technician to escalate. Especially if no progress has been made within 3-5 business days.
This was a great video btw. I learned a lot more from you than I did from their site. I'll give you a like and sub.
Thanks for the advice and the support!
Having done a few livestreams ourselves recently, following a couple of hundred regular downloaded games, it seems very evident that the camera processes a trimmed down version to send out live, the zoom and res' is know where as good as the fully processed version.
Thank you for an actual review.
Can tell other reviews were paid. Not this one. 🙌
Thanks for the video. I'll keep using my smart phone to record the games for my boys 😉
Been waiting for a review on this, thanks man
This is part 2 by the way, the first video is in the description.
@@BeyondTheGame_E yeah thanks, saw it now, great first part, keen to see the footage 👍
You are a more patient and persistent man than I would be E. Thanks for following up!
😂 thank you!
im sure in the near future you would set up like 6 of these cameras around the field and the app would go between whatever camera was closest to get a better view of the ball
Thanks for the video! I have a
question, do you have to buy subscription? Can I just buy the camer and not have all the extra but still be able to download footage later on my own and share it with others?
You should watch the first video I made about this camera where I talk about the subscription model in details th-cam.com/video/plaIiffAGIo/w-d-xo.html But to answer your question, you do need to have a subscription to access the footage. You can't download it without one.
I recorded 171 videos for basketball this year and the camera did great!
How much time does it usually take to access your footage once you’re done filming?
I’m a basketball coach and was wondering how well does it do with recording the games?
What plan did you get? It’s hard for me to get somebody to record my games,so I need something like this. Is it worth the money?
What I know from ours, is that the long processes give you the stats, breakdown. Each game break point, Corners, goal kicks, etc. Cause now their analytics is more powerful.
The processing usually goes pretty fast, I wonder if it was your connection? I can usually upload a game and have it turn around in about 3-4 hours.
This is more or less just for regular game broadcasting or match highlights. For more individualized highlights you’ll never beat a camera on the field and more knowledgeable cameraman.
Cool hearing your take on it though E!!
Good point about all the stats and stuff, I didn’t think about that.
It's a cool product - I can definitely see potential value to coaches, players, and parents. But it definitely would be nice to have better zoom capability for covering a soccer field - it's hard to see what's happening down around the goal. Maybe if you could set up a few of them around the field, or if it had multiple lenses of different lengths that it could seamlessly switch between like on a smart phone.
The subscription model is kind of a turn off for me. But given the streaming and processing features it supports, and in the context of a sports team where you have a bunch of people paying regular membership dues - the subscription model makes sense I guess.
I was wondering how you scale the video without pixelating the videos? I'm trying to zoom in on specific plays for athlete highlights. My problem is when I try zooming on another program (e.g. iMovie) that is just makes everything blurry. Thank you and Happy Holidays
Scaling in post will always affect the quality. But high quality footage will handle it much better than the rest.
I purchased the Family Subscription.. Am I still able to use AI functions while recording?
All AI functions happen post recording. Not sure exactly what comes with your subscription but it should be easy to find out once you log into your account.
Subscription prices are way too high for family streaming. But thank you for the video. great job. first time watcher
As a tool for analysis, great, see player positions game play etc, try watching a game as a spectator and unless the action is right in front of you forget it. I film and stream local games for a couple of clubs and they all bought one two years ago, I was told we won't be needing your services from now on, guess what I'm still there.
My take: much too wide angle to be useful for an individual. Good for teaching a team after the fact though.
I agree 👍🏽
Do you think it would be a good option to film wrestling tournaments with it I can’t find any type of reference on TH-cam
hmmm not sure. I'm thinking that the camera would struggle to pick who to focus on if there are multiple matches happening simultaneously on different mats. But I have no idea to be honest.
Firstly that was the wrong tripod to use for 11 a side football. The viewpoint is wrong which in turn means you miss out on a lot of stuff on the opposite side of the field. It also screws with the analytics when you put it on the wrong side as it struggles to differentiate between players etc.. My suggestion would be to do it again with the 7m tripod and you will see a big difference. Don’t forget that this is gold for coaches to see the overall movement of a team and transitions of play etc. This is not really about videography as such.
Hey Mark, yes the higher the camera is, the more you’ll get a bird’s eye view of the game which makes it easier for the computer to identify players but it also means that everyone is further away from the camera so not too great for recruiting videos for examples. And there’s no such thing as the right side of the field. I had that conversation with Veo and there’s absolutely no difference other than what I said about the position of the sun. And finally yes you are right, this is for coaches and not videographers. Which is exactly what I said in my conclusion.
7m tripod certainly changes the videos for the better.
@@BeyondTheGame_E It’s not high enough to be Birds Eye. It’s just higher so you can see more. I would like to see how you get on with the proper kit
It's just sad that the Veo needs to put their darn logo in the corner although you spent 1k for it and need to buy a subscription plan to use extras. Also you cannot have overlays yet (maybe in a Veo 3.0). Personally it beats no camera man as the human eye is quicker to catch important scenes
What do you mean overlays? There is an editing tool in the software once it’s DL.
Also, you can DL your video and if you have Apple, you can use iMovie or whatever else to edit.
yes sounds like this is a common issue with Veo, the customer support
What height would you recommend is the best for these cameras like Veo?
I’m far from an expert since that was the only time I ever used one. But if you want the video to look good and be pleasant to watch for a casual viewer, you don’t want the camera to be too high because you want to stay relatively close to the action. But if your video is for coaching purposes, you want the camera to be much higher for a birds eye view. That will give you a much better view of the positioning of each player on the pitch.
@@BeyondTheGame_E I’ll try it much lower the next time. Thanks for the tips.
How are payments on these, do you just buy the camera or they force you to do some sort of subscription?
You need to pay a subscription to access the recordings.
@@BeyondTheGame_E that sucks 😭
I think I'd be better setting up 3 gopros (for junior grassroots football), left, centre & right of the pitch and editing the footage together. All the play at the far ends of the pitches is unwatchable to me.
The manufacturer of this camera preys on the fact that sports clubs don't have enough staff to take the time to record and edit every match. But I honestly find it ridiculous that for something that can be handled with two sports cameras set up perpendicularly, Veo makes you pay huge money. Monthly.
I record my team's matches for training purposes and without exaggeration, it takes me about an hour to process one match. I use one drone and sometimes an additional ground camera.
The good thing is that apparently such products do not threaten videophotographers who know their job :)
I don't disagree with anything you said but ultimately there's always going to be people willing to pay for convenience.
Can I use the camera for basketball as well??
Yes you can. But it will be a wide shot similar to the main shot you see on TV. No close-ups.
@@BeyondTheGame_E ok question so would you say that is better than the pivo??
Don’t know. Veo is the only AI camera I’ve ever used.
@@BeyondTheGame_E okay do you have to pay a monthly fee for it or how does it work?
Yes you do have to pay a monthly or yearly fee. If you watch the other video I made (there’s a link in the description) I break it all down in there.
I can't find any information on how your found your footage, but I have the same issue. I filmed a game, it seem to upload okay, but it's not available in my library and seems to have disappeared into cyber space. Frustrating stuff!
If you can't see it in your online account, it's most likely because the camera is not connected to your account.
Appreciate the quick reply on that! I have to check into that with the club I coach for as we have two and this is the second time I have used them and a different camera than the other one I used last time around. Thanks again for the reply!
Veo Cam 2 sales directors are delusional. Price not worth it for such sh_t quality. You are being too nice!
I mean, it’s fine for coaching. But I get what you’re saying.
I think the coverage could have been much better too had the camera been set to the recommended height of 7.4 meters.
As a sports videographer, I was looking more at the image quality then the game coverage. Putting the camera higher gives you a better perspective for coaching purposes but the footage won't be great for highlights or hype reels.
Last year the Veo guys told me this could film/livestream rugby. It definitely couldn’t. Combined with them having probably the worst support team ever… not a good experience
Yeah I haven't tried it myself but I imagine it would be hard for the AI to follow the ball when a player tucks it in against their body and starts running.
a build with zoom lenses might come out decent
Yeah that would be interesting to see for sure.
I request you to offer Turkish language support as well.
Unfortunately I don’t speak Turkish so there’s not much I can do 🤷🏽♂️
And you'll notice most of these AI cameras market to soccer and slower field sports. They can't handle fast paced sports like lacrosse.
Yeah I’d be curious to try it but I have to return the camera tomorrow. My guess is the camera shot would stay quite wide the entire time so it doesn’t have to move as much.
It took 2 weeks to process footage?
No, it took 2 weeks to Veo support to figure out how to give me access to the footage.
that the is biggest knock against Veo! poor support, slow and frustrating!!
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It’s not good apart from the times when the action is very close.
I think coaches love it but if you’re using it just for videography purposes, it’s not great. I’d love to use it as a backup but it’s quite expensive for a backup plan.
Not worth it, IMO
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AI cameras are great for coaches, not great for live entertaining production, not great for highlight reels
Exactly.
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This camera could never handle hockey lol
I’d like to see someone try.
From a videography perspective Veo cams are garbage… they’re great for coaches and players for reviewing games.
insanely expensive just to record sports.
It is very expensive for a freelance videographer but to be fair, it's not that expensive for a club because it basically replaces having a videographer present at every game and every training which would be much more expensive.
How much is it in US?
@@snuman32 The camera itself is $1K and then you have to pay $250 or $500 for a tripod depending on the size that you want. Subscription fees vary between $85 and $200 per month depending on the features that you need and if you want a monthly or yearly contract.