Mine is 120fps. Question, Have you seen the effect where the player breaks the backboard as he is dunking but doesn't actually it's just an effect. How do you do that? Same with the Basketball that is a fireball with money coming out of it.
Great to see this older video and how far the quality of your videos has come, and awesome that you also started on Sony a7iii too! I've just got the fx3 so followed a similar journey.
I agree! I've been recording video with an Osmo Pocket 3 and now realize that the auto exposure settings with a 1/100 shutter speed might be adding more motion blur that I don't want. Going to try Overcranking with manual exposure. Excited to try this out.
Just got into videography to film my daughter Taekwondo training fights and tournament fights. This info is a lot to take in such a short time but I’m confident it will help me make videos she can be proud of, maybe not as proud of her I am in her performance as a fighter though 😂.
Woah this is so good. I just went to subscribe and saw you only have 14k (about the same as me) amazing content dude. Thank you for teaching me this 🙌🏻
I watched this a while back & have started to fim more in 100 fps. Australia's ligthing frequency matches 100/50/25 fps & I film a lot of BJJ. Until today I had not adopted your prefence of a higher frame rate. But as I do quicker more action packed edits I've noticed my footage is missing something. Today I filmed 100 fps /200shutter speed & 100fps /320 shutter speed. Wow ! I know it's belated but thanks, awesome advice as usual.
Great explanation and use cases for sports videography! This clearly articulates the pros and compromises of different frame rates and shutter speeds when filming. What about your timeline fps on the editing side? If you do a 30fps timeline for TV or internet consumption then your 60, 120, or 240fps footage will look increasingly jittery from dropped frames unless you go slow-mo on all of them, but I would think you'd only go slow motion to highlight specific moments. Do you rock a 30fps timeline and let it be jittery during realtime playback so you can speed ramp to beautiful slow motion when desired or use another approach? Thanks!
Hey there! Thanks for the comment. Yes, I actually use a 24fps timeline with my 60fps and 120fps footage, which as you said is definitely not the same look as shooting 24fps and editing it on a 24fps timeline, but I think that for sports and action video it looks good.
@@petersarellas I appreciate the info. It would be awesome to get the dynamic shift from 120fps on a 24fps timeline slowing down from realtime playback to super slow-motion. I do motorsports driving and got into making video in my spare time so that's my subject matter. I have an event this weekend, so I'll have to shoot some different clips and see how it looks for cars vs people. Thanks!
thanks a lot for this thorough video. I want to film enduro and motocross and today I tried 4k 60fps as you've suggested. For now it seems ok, but I will be trying 1080 at 120fps just to see the difference.
@@petersarellas I guess it makes sense to record in 120fps during the basket game but as you pointed out during the breaks 60fps is better. Have you filmed and made any video where you used both frame rates?
In general I usually film in 24FPS, but I just recently got a new Sony that can do 120FPS and I've been playing around with that. I love how slow you can get it, I loved filming 60 on my Canon, but the 120FPS blows it away when I'm filming my hockey highlights videos.
120fps is a huge step up for sure! I remember how blown away I was my first time using it up from a Canon DSLR at 60fps as well. And glad that we can help you! Keep on making cool stuff 👌🏼
Thanks for video but I still don't know how to shoot sport video to "look professional". First: I like cinematic look of 24fps. But for sports is very often no go. I need to film "moving" horses (following by camera) and 24fps creates very "jerky" effect on static parts of the image (like background trees or fences and obstacles that are in focus ... and even on rider, which makes fast small movement up and down). When I need to remove this "jerky" effect I have to produce result video with more fps. 30fps looks a little smoother. 60 fps removes the jerky effect. But I am loosing "cinematic look". Asking for result video fps. Do I have to choose "jerky" cinematic (24fps) or smooth non-cinematic (60 fps)? Or 30 fps is best compromise? Second: When you shoot in 120 fps, what fps you use for result video? You mentioned, that "static" scenes you shoot at 24 fps a dynamic at 120 fps. Does that mean, that you produce 24 fps result video? That means "jerky" cinematic video? In that case, if you do not slow down 120 fps, you just keep only every 5th frame from the original video? So the result it is the same as from 24fps video using 1/250 shutter speed? And additional frames are used only in slow motion? I would appreciate any comments on this. Thank you.
First off, nice name. But to actually answer your questions, if I were filming horses, or any fast moving object for that matter, I’d do it in a frame rate no less than 120fps with a shutter no less than 1/250 as your shutter should be 1 over double your frame rate when filming on a conventional photography camera. With regards to your second point, you’re pretty much spot on. If you film at 1080p120 and 1/250 shutter, and then place this on a 24fps timeline, you’re essentially getting the same result as if you had filmed at 1080p24 and 1/250 shutter. This means that (apart from the fact that you may have been able to increase your resolution or get more mb per frame depending your camera had you filmed in 24fps) the 120p 1/250 footage and 24p 1/250 footage will be identical. With regards to the “cinematic” look, this really boils down to using proper shooting techniques. Things like using shutter speed and frame rate that is appropriate to keep the subject of your image clear and visibly, composing the image so that the subject is clear in the frame, exposing your image correctly, etc. Additionally, some people consider shallow depth of field to be cinematic, and you can create a shallow depth of field by using a long focal length, shooting at a low f-stop, and creating space between your subject/focus point and the background, so a combination of these techniques may help you as well. TL;DR: Slow mo v nice, make shutter go fast, blurry background good
Hands down best video on the subject. I record basketball games on the S23 ultra. Definitely going to give the 1080 120fps a try but unfortunately the shutter speed options closest to 1/400 that it gives me is either 1/350 or 1/500. Which one would you go with? Im definitely not a fan of blur. I'd even rather game at 1080 120 instesd of 4k 60 in most cases. Thanks!
I learned a lot from this tutorial, thank you. I plan to shoot video with a GoPro 11 for my niece's basketball games. I will make hype reels out of them. If you have experience shooting with GoPro or familiar with them, want settings would you recommend? I believe GoPro only produce motion blur when using ND filters. But, I assume I will still need to use them to follow the 180 degree rule.
Thank you for this. Really appreciate it. What settings are best for home workout videos like cycling indoors running and other cardiovascular high intensity workouts without equipment
You really broke this down in a fantastic way. I have to record a football game. I have a sony AX700. I think I'll go with 1080p 120fps 1/250. After your explanation of quality I keep going back and forth between 60fps and 120fps. My question is if I do film at 120fps. Am I suppose to edit on a 24fps timeline?
What about zero degrees shuttle angle for over 50fps. Someone on TH-cam suggests this creates smoother natural motion, and I found this to be true as I shot some sporting action and with 180 degrees it was stuttering
You’re welcome! Thanks for checking it out. That might be something I do in the future if the opportunity arises as it’s been highly requested but it isn’t something that I do regularly for my work so I’d have to find the time to go out of my way for that specific shoot. Who knows though it sounds fun so I might try it in the future.
Love the video! I have on thought tough. When you did your calculations, you came up with the following: - 0.83 MB per frame at 1080p 120 fps with a bitrate of 100 Mbps - 4.167 MB per frame at 4K 24 fps with a bitrate of 100 Mbps However, wouldn't it make more sense to compare the amount of pixels per image combined with the bitrate, since 4K has four times the resolution of 1080p? This means that 4K 24 fps would still be superior to 1080p 120 fps, but the difference isn't as big as your calculations suggest. For example, 4K 30 fps would require the same amount of data per pixel as 1080p 120 fps. Your calculation is technically correct, and yes, the image is sharper. However, at first glance, it might appear to be a factor of 5, cuz it is not taking the pixels per image into the calculation. Or am I wrong with that?
I was just considering the amount of data going into each frame since although there is a similar amount of data per pixel, with the 4K image you’re getting 4 times as many pixels, as you’ve mentioned. When downscaling this 4K image to 1080p resolution it will result in sharper and less noisy images to a degree that I can’t perfectly predict because I just don’t know, so the point was really to drive home that higher resolution footage with a lower frame rate will be sharper than lower resolution footage at a higher frame rate with the same mbps and that people should consider that when making frame rate decisions. I appreciate the thought and you taking the time to watch! I love this stuff and this type of discussion is always appreciated.
@Peter Sarellas I totally got your point and the 4K Image in your example definitely is sharper. Just tried to figure out if it is actually possible to "calculate" the perfect bitrate per pixel ratio or something like that as a "precise quality calculation" . Not sure about this tough haha 😅 For instance my G85 records 4k fps with 100 mbps and 1080p 60 fps with 28 mbps. Thats almost only 50% of bitrate per pixel, which is a huge difference and even a bigger than in your example :(
Hi Peter, I recently upgraded from a DJI Pocket 3 and iPhone 15 Pro Max to a Sony A6700 with Sigma lenses for hockey videography. I'm experiencing issues with choppy playback and noise when using 60fps footage in a 24fps Premiere Pro timeline. (I think its safe to add that the noise probably due to my inability to correctly expose SLOG-3)... only had one session with the new camera lol.. 1. What timeline settings do you recommend for social media uploads (Instagram, TikTok, Facebook)? 2. How can I address the skipped frames when using 60fps clips in a 24p timeline? 3. Should I film in 24p for real-time footage and only use 60p for slow-motion segments? Any advice on handling 60p clips in a 24p timeline for sports videography would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
What shutter speed do you recommend for Iphone 13 Pro and FilmicPro app, filming at 60-fps FullHD (using ND filters), should I follow the 180 degree rule and use 1/120 shutter speed or should I over-crank the shutter speed like 1/480 or what do you recommend? Trying to film some soccer actions for my son and post them on social media (youtube, instagram)? I'm editing them on DaVinci Resolve but I don't know it the final edited movie should be delivered at 60fps for youtube/insta or at 30fps?
Nice! Could you recommend me a budget cam to film fast fingers guitar? Even in full HD, but with 120fps or 240 fps just to expose a better flux in Real Time, no slow motion. And I soule really aprecciatte your opinion in my case Thank you so much for this video!
Can you do a video on cool animations that work well with sports and how to incorporate them into the videos? Similar to the Saber effect in that you’re just adding more to the video other than color grading and stuff. Thanks!
Hey, thanks for the suggestion! I actually love that idea. Possibly going through some of my old videos and talking about animations and effects that I commonly use could be a helpful video.
Hi Peter! Great explanation and video. Could you answer me a question please? Let's say I'm recording in 60 fps and the conditions are really bright and I don't have any Neutral Density filter. Would it be a good idea to increase my shutter speed up to ~1/2000 or over to drop the brightness? Also how would that affect the video in a bad way especially if I would like to slow the video down when I'm editing it. Would higher shutter speed help to get rid of the motion blur? Thank you in advance
If you were to do what you’re describing it would eliminate all motion blur and make your footage look very “fast”/jittery. I do this to an extent bringing my shutter speed to ~1/400 when filming slow motion for sports, though 1/2000 or higher may be overdoing it. Id recommend if at all possible getting and ND filter to control the light hitting your sensor so that your aperture, iris, and shutter can be used to create the desired effect in your image
Hey Peter, awesome video. thank you! When using premiere pro specifically to edit, we should make our timeline 24fps correct? However when rendering and exporting our project, should we export it in the frame rate which we recorded in (i.e. 1080p 60fps) or export in the 24fps?
If you don’t need slow motion I’d shoot 24fps with a 180 degree shutter angle unless you had a reason why you’d want to do otherwise, but if you like the look of extra blur and want to shoot at 360 degrees for a specific reason then there’s no reason why you can’t
Let’s say I want to shoot at 120 fps to be able to play it at normal speed and slow it down at 20% when I want to, at what fps should I set my timeline in my editing software?
Thanks for supporting the channel Scotty! I haven’t made a video on that, or at least not yet, but I typically shoot at f4 when the light permits and f2.8 when needed to get the exposure and shutter that I want.
I want to start shooting in 120fps for basketball season, but I can’t record audio (which I can get around) and my camera saves the file in 29.97fps when I go into Premiere. It makes it confusing for me to figure out what I need to do to get it to full speed
If your camera is shooting 120fps and providing you with a slowed down 30fps file then you have to bring your clip to 400% speed to make it the same speed as real life (120/30 = 4 so 4x speed needed to return to normal)
Natural shutter speed for 60fps is 1/120 (so probably 1/125) and for 120fps it’d be 1/250. For sports specifically I like using a faster shutter speed than this because of the speed of the action and will often use a shutter between 1/320 and 1/500. Whether you use 60fps or 120fps depends on how much storage you have, what you’re filming and if you actually need 120fps or not, and the specific look you’re trying to achieve, among other things, so it’s a decision for you to make on a case-by-case basis using your own experience
need help, i film horse racing and my video look very dull. The horses never look sharp as they are coming down the track. I record on very sunny days with sun hitting horses. ive tried mixing 60p with 4k time line, 30p with 1080p timeline. nothing seems to make the horse more crisp. any advice?
I’d probably have to see an image of this first before offering any specific advice. Could you dm me a sample image or video on Instagram? I’m thinking that the light leaking into your image from the sun could be washing the image out t I’d have to see to be sure.
Yeah interesting right? But just because the quality of a single frame is worse doesn’t mean that slow motion can’t sometimes still look more professional depending on how it’s used.
When shooting video at 1080 120 fps is there ever a reason to go beyond a shutter speed of 1/400? When taking photos you see several videos recommend 1/1000 or 1/1250 for shooting sports, but it doesn't seem like that concept applies to video is that true?
Your ISO is very much going to be set on a case by case basis in most situations. I usually set my other settings how I like and then use ISO to get a proper exposure on my image. I do have a certain ISO value that I won’t push past though since beyond there my image gets too grainy (this value will be different for each position depending on the camera body that they’re using and it’s low light performance) so if I reach that value and my image is still underexposed then I will make adjustments like filming at a lower frame rate to allow me to drop my shutter speed and subsequently get more light into my image without boosting the ISO any higher. I hope this helps.
@miloukorthouwer lenses will matter in terms of how high you have to bring your ISO to get a decent exposure but a certain ISO number shouldn’t result in more or less grain just because of a different lens all else equal. With the A7iii I tried to not push over 3200 - 4000 if possible and 6400 was my absolute max. 12 800 is in my opinion completely unusable and becomes too soft if using noise reduction.
I’ve been watching these videos for 2 weeks as I’m ready to dive into the videography world for my sons 14U AAU basketball team. With the Sony A7IV on the horizon, would you recommend jumping right to that and going with 4k60 video or starting with an A7iii and doing 1080p120? Will be going with the 70-200 f4 lens you recommended with either model. Thanks for the feedback!
My personal opinion is that for sports, I’d rather have 1080p120 than 4K60, and even if the A7iv can record in 10-bit, I really don’t think that’s very necessary for most purposes. If I were in your position I’d probably start with the A7iii, see how that’s meeting my needs, and then if there’s an urge to upgrade decide to do that at a later time. Mind you, you really can’t go wrong either way here so whatever you pick between those two should be more than capable.
Not sure where you’ll be filming but the high school gyms in my area of Massachusetts are fairly dark so an F4 hasn’t worked for me. However, I just purchased an a7iii and with the ability to shoot at a higher iso the F4 may be possible.
Yeah I wouldn’t ever recommend manipulating light by using shutter speed. I’d always try to get a lens with a lower f-stop or a camera body that can produce useable footage at a higher ISO before I touch my shutter speed for the sake of controlling light.
@@petersarellas wassup bro, I wanted to now about the posterize video effect : I shoot in 100fps but I'm editing in 25fps, do you know how to do this effect with 25fps ?
This varies heavily based on where I’m filming and what content I’m capturing but when I’m filming basketball inside of a moderately well-lit gym I usually end up somewhere around f4 and ISO 4000
Your timelines frame rate has to be a lower fps than the frame rate of the footage you film, so yes a 24fps timeline with 60 or 120fps footage would give you slow motion
I’d recommend editing on a 24fps timeline. The thing that gives the jittery effect is the shutter speed, or more specifically the lack of motion blur when filming at high shutter speeds, and that shutter speed will remain at whatever it was when you were filming regardless of the number frames per second. A 24fps timeline will allow you to slow your footage down as much as possible without beginning to look like frames are missing if you’re filming slow motion.
@@petersarellas thanks, also deciding between cameras. Looking to either get the a6400 or the new ZV-E10. only thing is the ZV-E10 doesn’t have a viewfinder…. any suggestions?
Make sure to double check that the frame rate of your composition is set to 24fps, the same as your footage. If your computer isn’t strong you may also be dropping frames when playing back because your computer doesn’t have the processing power to display every frame in real time.
@@petersarellas yeah it might just be me because i’m used to high frame rates. and i’m going to a hockey game tomorrow and i film on my iphone 13 pro max is that good enough if i don’t have a camera yet?
I recommend choosing an appropriate ISO manually since on auto the ISO may adjust as you pan the camera depending on how dark one area of the space you’re filming in is compared to another, and these changes in exposure can cause issues with your clip.
It would look more as a film does in 24, but you probably want to film 60fps or 120fps, mainly because sports has a lot of movement and to allow you to do slo mo and speed ramp.
Just got my Sony a6400 can’t wait to start filming. What picture profile do you use and how do you properly expose your shots? I’ve been looking at HLG2/3. Love the content man!!! 🔥🔥🔥
If you have hlg3 use it! Some of the aps-c sensor mirrorless cameras from Sony don’t have hlg profiles so in that case I’d use cine4 since in my opinion it looks pretty good right out of camera. Whatever you do avoid slog at all costs on those 8-bit mirrorless cameras because you won’t have the depth in the colours that you need to really grade it and it might start breaking on you. Usually I expose a full stop over when shooting hlg profiles. Love that you’re enjoying the content!
I just got the Sony A74 I'm using it for basketball games. What should my file format be i have it set to HVAC S HD and should i be recording in 60fps. I just followed you on IG you can send me a Dm if you want
I usually film in XAVC S 4K60 when filming sports on my A7iv because the files are smaller (compared to XAVC HS and XAVC-I) and still look good while remaining relatively easy to work with. I’ve also shot XAVC S HD 60fps on the A7iv before as there is an option to do so with 10-bit colour, and I find that when you do this with 10-bit colour the change in resolution is not noticeable and the images still look good.
@@petersarellas I tested it out today in HVAC S HD 60fps in the 8-bit settings with a shutter speed of 1/160 and the video came out amazing. I'll try the HVAC S 4k 60fps soon. Thanks for replying
What’s your favourite frame rate to shoot in?
240 fps if i could
@@Gxcci hahah the dream!
I love 60fps as a nice compromise between slow-mo capabilities and file size/workflow
@Baker FX For sure! Good quality 60fps footage can work great in an edit
Mine is 120fps. Question, Have you seen the effect where the player breaks the backboard as he is dunking but doesn't actually it's just an effect. How do you do that? Same with the Basketball that is a fireball with money coming out of it.
Great to see this older video and how far the quality of your videos has come, and awesome that you also started on Sony a7iii too! I've just got the fx3 so followed a similar journey.
The channel has definitely come a long way! And yes the A7iii to FX3 camera arch is inevitable hahah
Learning about "Overcranking" was awesome. Thank you for sharing and breaking these concepts down with examples.
Yeah for sure!! Always happy to share
I agree! I've been recording video with an Osmo Pocket 3 and now realize that the auto exposure settings with a 1/100 shutter speed might be adding more motion blur that I don't want. Going to try Overcranking with manual exposure. Excited to try this out.
Just got into videography to film my daughter Taekwondo training fights and tournament fights. This info is a lot to take in such a short time but I’m confident it will help me make videos she can be proud of, maybe not as proud of her I am in her performance as a fighter though 😂.
Really appreciate your content. Just getting into videography and looking to shoot sports, your page has helped a lot!
Thank you for checking the video out Scott! I’m really glad that my content is helping you.
Such a great breakdown. Instant subscribe 👌🏻
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This video was very helpful! Thank you man
Woah this is so good. I just went to subscribe and saw you only have 14k (about the same as me) amazing content dude. Thank you for teaching me this 🙌🏻
No worries! Happy this helped you!
I watched this a while back & have started to fim more in 100 fps. Australia's ligthing frequency matches 100/50/25 fps & I film a lot of BJJ. Until today I had not adopted your prefence of a higher frame rate. But as I do quicker more action packed edits I've noticed my footage is missing something. Today I filmed 100 fps /200shutter speed & 100fps /320 shutter speed. Wow ! I know it's belated but thanks, awesome advice as usual.
Glad to hear that worked out well for you!!
Got my first sport gig next week
This was very helpful 🙌🏿🙌🏿
That’s awesome!! Best of luck!
Thanks - hugely helpful as a still photographer starting to add video to the content.
Happy to help!
how does this video only have just over 200 likes . You just made provided me with the information i have been needing being newbie to videoography.
Happy to hear that this helped you!
Appreciate the information and the examples
Of course! Thanks for watching
Great explanation and use cases for sports videography! This clearly articulates the pros and compromises of different frame rates and shutter speeds when filming.
What about your timeline fps on the editing side? If you do a 30fps timeline for TV or internet consumption then your 60, 120, or 240fps footage will look increasingly jittery from dropped frames unless you go slow-mo on all of them, but I would think you'd only go slow motion to highlight specific moments. Do you rock a 30fps timeline and let it be jittery during realtime playback so you can speed ramp to beautiful slow motion when desired or use another approach? Thanks!
Hey there! Thanks for the comment. Yes, I actually use a 24fps timeline with my 60fps and 120fps footage, which as you said is definitely not the same look as shooting 24fps and editing it on a 24fps timeline, but I think that for sports and action video it looks good.
@@petersarellas I appreciate the info. It would be awesome to get the dynamic shift from 120fps on a 24fps timeline slowing down from realtime playback to super slow-motion. I do motorsports driving and got into making video in my spare time so that's my subject matter.
I have an event this weekend, so I'll have to shoot some different clips and see how it looks for cars vs people. Thanks!
Thanks Peter, great video!!
Thanks man that was really covered most of my questions I been ask here and here.
Glad to hear it!
Just subscribed this was super clear, and answered a lot of my questions
Amazing! Glad this helped and happy to have you around the channel Manny
thanks a lot for this thorough video. I want to film enduro and motocross and today I tried 4k 60fps as you've suggested. For now it seems ok, but I will be trying 1080 at 120fps just to see the difference.
Whether to film 4k60 or 1080p120 is something I debate with myself all the time haha. Either way thanks for watching!
@@petersarellas I guess it makes sense to record in 120fps during the basket game but as you pointed out during the breaks 60fps is better. Have you filmed and made any video where you used both frame rates?
In general I usually film in 24FPS, but I just recently got a new Sony that can do 120FPS and I've been playing around with that. I love how slow you can get it, I loved filming 60 on my Canon, but the 120FPS blows it away when I'm filming my hockey highlights videos.
ps, you and Juan have been a huge help/inspiration. (i'm just down the 401 from you guys)
120fps is a huge step up for sure! I remember how blown away I was my first time using it up from a Canon DSLR at 60fps as well. And glad that we can help you! Keep on making cool stuff 👌🏼
Thanks for video but I still don't know how to shoot sport video to "look professional".
First: I like cinematic look of 24fps. But for sports is very often no go. I need to film "moving" horses (following by camera) and 24fps creates very "jerky" effect on static parts of the image (like background trees or fences and obstacles that are in focus ... and even on rider, which makes fast small movement up and down). When I need to remove this "jerky" effect I have to produce result video with more fps. 30fps looks a little smoother. 60 fps removes the jerky effect. But I am loosing "cinematic look". Asking for result video fps. Do I have to choose "jerky" cinematic (24fps) or smooth non-cinematic (60 fps)? Or 30 fps is best compromise?
Second: When you shoot in 120 fps, what fps you use for result video? You mentioned, that "static" scenes you shoot at 24 fps a dynamic at 120 fps. Does that mean, that you produce 24 fps result video? That means "jerky" cinematic video? In that case, if you do not slow down 120 fps, you just keep only every 5th frame from the original video? So the result it is the same as from 24fps video using 1/250 shutter speed? And additional frames are used only in slow motion?
I would appreciate any comments on this. Thank you.
First off, nice name.
But to actually answer your questions, if I were filming horses, or any fast moving object for that matter, I’d do it in a frame rate no less than 120fps with a shutter no less than 1/250 as your shutter should be 1 over double your frame rate when filming on a conventional photography camera.
With regards to your second point, you’re pretty much spot on. If you film at 1080p120 and 1/250 shutter, and then place this on a 24fps timeline, you’re essentially getting the same result as if you had filmed at 1080p24 and 1/250 shutter. This means that (apart from the fact that you may have been able to increase your resolution or get more mb per frame depending your camera had you filmed in 24fps) the 120p 1/250 footage and 24p 1/250 footage will be identical.
With regards to the “cinematic” look, this really boils down to using proper shooting techniques. Things like using shutter speed and frame rate that is appropriate to keep the subject of your image clear and visibly, composing the image so that the subject is clear in the frame, exposing your image correctly, etc.
Additionally, some people consider shallow depth of field to be cinematic, and you can create a shallow depth of field by using a long focal length, shooting at a low f-stop, and creating space between your subject/focus point and the background, so a combination of these techniques may help you as well.
TL;DR: Slow mo v nice, make shutter go fast, blurry background good
nice walk thru - thanks!
No problem!
Hands down best video on the subject. I record basketball games on the S23 ultra. Definitely going to give the 1080 120fps a try but unfortunately the shutter speed options closest to 1/400 that it gives me is either 1/350 or 1/500. Which one would you go with? Im definitely not a fan of blur. I'd even rather game at 1080 120 instesd of 4k 60 in most cases. Thanks!
I'm guessing if lighting conditions are good I should give 1/500 a go
Your reply to yourself is correct but yes, definitely hinges on having adequate lighting conditions
Thank you Peter
You’re welcome!
I learned a lot from this tutorial, thank you. I plan to shoot video with a GoPro 11 for my niece's basketball games. I will make hype reels out of them. If you have experience shooting with GoPro or familiar with them, want settings would you recommend? I believe GoPro only produce motion blur when using ND filters. But, I assume I will still need to use them to follow the 180 degree rule.
Great video, helps a lot. Thanks !
No problem, happy it helps!
Great video. Thanks for the tips!
You’re welcome!
This video is excellent!! Thank you so much🙏🙏🙏🙏 I’m gonna shoot my first basketball video now💪💪💪💪
So happy that it helped you! Best of luck filming!
Great information. Thank you man. This answered the previous question I had on other video
Awesome!! Happy this helped
Bro amazing video, appreciate 📸
No prob, appreciate you watching!
This video is so good thank you for sharing! :)
Thank you, happy you enjoyed!
Thank you for this. Really appreciate it. What settings are best for home workout videos like cycling indoors running and other cardiovascular high intensity workouts without equipment
You really broke this down in a fantastic way. I have to record a football game. I have a sony AX700. I think I'll go with 1080p 120fps 1/250. After your explanation of quality I keep going back and forth between 60fps and 120fps. My question is if I do film at 120fps. Am I suppose to edit on a 24fps timeline?
Yes I always edit on a 24fps timeline when editing footage filmed in higher frame rates like 60 and 120. Glad the video helped!
@@petersarellas ThankYou
What about zero degrees shuttle angle for over 50fps. Someone on TH-cam suggests this creates smoother natural motion, and I found this to be true as I shot some sporting action and with 180 degrees it was stuttering
HI, thanks for the tip and your channel. Can you make a video about using smartphone or action cam (budget oriented) for basketball? Thanks
You’re welcome! Thanks for checking it out. That might be something I do in the future if the opportunity arises as it’s been highly requested but it isn’t something that I do regularly for my work so I’d have to find the time to go out of my way for that specific shoot. Who knows though it sounds fun so I might try it in the future.
Love the video!
I have on thought tough.
When you did your calculations, you came up with the following:
- 0.83 MB per frame at 1080p 120 fps with a bitrate of 100 Mbps
- 4.167 MB per frame at 4K 24 fps with a bitrate of 100 Mbps
However, wouldn't it make more sense to compare the amount of pixels per image combined with the bitrate, since 4K has four times the resolution of 1080p? This means that 4K 24 fps would still be superior to 1080p 120 fps, but the difference isn't as big as your calculations suggest. For example, 4K 30 fps would require the same amount of data per pixel as 1080p 120 fps.
Your calculation is technically correct, and yes, the image is sharper. However, at first glance, it might appear to be a factor of 5, cuz it is not taking the pixels per image into the calculation.
Or am I wrong with that?
I was just considering the amount of data going into each frame since although there is a similar amount of data per pixel, with the 4K image you’re getting 4 times as many pixels, as you’ve mentioned. When downscaling this 4K image to 1080p resolution it will result in sharper and less noisy images to a degree that I can’t perfectly predict because I just don’t know, so the point was really to drive home that higher resolution footage with a lower frame rate will be sharper than lower resolution footage at a higher frame rate with the same mbps and that people should consider that when making frame rate decisions. I appreciate the thought and you taking the time to watch! I love this stuff and this type of discussion is always appreciated.
@Peter Sarellas I totally got your point and the 4K Image in your example definitely is sharper. Just tried to figure out if it is actually possible to "calculate" the perfect bitrate per pixel ratio or something like that as a "precise quality calculation" . Not sure about this tough haha 😅
For instance my G85 records 4k fps with 100 mbps and 1080p 60 fps with 28 mbps. Thats almost only 50% of bitrate per pixel, which is a huge difference and even a bigger than in your example :(
Hi Peter,
I recently upgraded from a DJI Pocket 3 and iPhone 15 Pro Max to a Sony A6700 with Sigma lenses for hockey videography. I'm experiencing issues with choppy playback and noise when using 60fps footage in a 24fps Premiere Pro timeline. (I think its safe to add that the noise probably due to my inability to correctly expose SLOG-3)... only had one session with the new camera lol..
1. What timeline settings do you recommend for social media uploads (Instagram, TikTok, Facebook)?
2. How can I address the skipped frames when using 60fps clips in a 24p timeline?
3. Should I film in 24p for real-time footage and only use 60p for slow-motion segments?
Any advice on handling 60p clips in a 24p timeline for sports videography would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
What shutter speed do you recommend for Iphone 13 Pro and FilmicPro app, filming at 60-fps FullHD (using ND filters), should I follow the 180 degree rule and use 1/120 shutter speed or should I
over-crank the shutter speed like 1/480 or what do you recommend? Trying to film some soccer actions for my son and post them on social media (youtube, instagram)?
I'm editing them on DaVinci Resolve but I don't know it the final edited movie should be delivered at 60fps for youtube/insta or at 30fps?
Nice! Could you recommend me a budget cam to film fast fingers guitar? Even in full HD, but with 120fps or 240 fps just to expose a better flux in Real Time, no slow motion. And I soule really aprecciatte your opinion in my case
Thank you so much for this video!
Very informative video thanks man
Can you do a video on cool animations that work well with sports and how to incorporate them into the videos? Similar to the Saber effect in that you’re just adding more to the video other than color grading and stuff. Thanks!
Hey, thanks for the suggestion! I actually love that idea. Possibly going through some of my old videos and talking about animations and effects that I commonly use could be a helpful video.
@@petersarellas yeah that’d be great!
Hi Peter! Great explanation and video.
Could you answer me a question please?
Let's say I'm recording in 60 fps and the conditions are really bright and I don't have any Neutral Density filter. Would it be a good idea to increase my shutter speed up to ~1/2000 or over to drop the brightness? Also how would that affect the video in a bad way especially if I would like to slow the video down when I'm editing it. Would higher shutter speed help to get rid of the motion blur?
Thank you in advance
If you were to do what you’re describing it would eliminate all motion blur and make your footage look very “fast”/jittery. I do this to an extent bringing my shutter speed to ~1/400 when filming slow motion for sports, though 1/2000 or higher may be overdoing it. Id recommend if at all possible getting and ND filter to control the light hitting your sensor so that your aperture, iris, and shutter can be used to create the desired effect in your image
@petersarellas Thanks Peter, I really appreciate your time and answer 🙏
Thanks for sharing !
No problem, thanks for watching!
Hey Peter, awesome video. thank you! When using premiere pro specifically to edit, we should make our timeline 24fps correct? However when rendering and exporting our project, should we export it in the frame rate which we recorded in (i.e. 1080p 60fps) or export in the 24fps?
Did you ever find an answer to this question because I can't find a good answer
A 2nd this
Did you guys get any info on this?
Great video…. If I dont need to do slowmotion, would you then film in 24fps 360˚.
If you don’t need slow motion I’d shoot 24fps with a 180 degree shutter angle unless you had a reason why you’d want to do otherwise, but if you like the look of extra blur and want to shoot at 360 degrees for a specific reason then there’s no reason why you can’t
Damn, sick content man! thanks a lot.
You’re welcome! Thanks for checking it out
Let’s say I want to shoot at 120 fps to be able to play it at normal speed and slow it down at 20% when I want to, at what fps should I set my timeline in my editing software?
Set to 24fps because 120/5 = 24
The bloopers at the end 🙌🏼😂
They were too good to leave out 🤣
Keep up the great content man from the UK! 👏 What F stops do you tend to use whilst filming sports to expose your image or is that another vid? 😂
Thanks for supporting the channel Scotty! I haven’t made a video on that, or at least not yet, but I typically shoot at f4 when the light permits and f2.8 when needed to get the exposure and shutter that I want.
Hello ! What about project frame rate ? Should we put 24 or 120 while exporting ? Waiting for your response
I put mine to 24fps
Very informational video!
Question, what lens are you using during sports vids?
Do you film basketball games at 1/400 shutter speed? Your content is helping me out a lot btw !
Usually yes
What type of film are you using and where do you take your film to be developed?
I shoot digital on a Sony a7iii. No film.
I want to start shooting in 120fps for basketball season, but I can’t record audio (which I can get around) and my camera saves the file in 29.97fps when I go into Premiere. It makes it confusing for me to figure out what I need to do to get it to full speed
If your camera is shooting 120fps and providing you with a slowed down 30fps file then you have to bring your clip to 400% speed to make it the same speed as real life (120/30 = 4 so 4x speed needed to return to normal)
Do you record audio separately and add it in post when filming in slow motion (higher frame rates)? If so, how?
I have Sony a7iii and can’t decide to use 60fps or 120fps. And what shutter speed should I use.
Natural shutter speed for 60fps is 1/120 (so probably 1/125) and for 120fps it’d be 1/250. For sports specifically I like using a faster shutter speed than this because of the speed of the action and will often use a shutter between 1/320 and 1/500. Whether you use 60fps or 120fps depends on how much storage you have, what you’re filming and if you actually need 120fps or not, and the specific look you’re trying to achieve, among other things, so it’s a decision for you to make on a case-by-case basis using your own experience
need help, i film horse racing and my video look very dull. The horses never look sharp as they are coming down the track. I record on very sunny days with sun hitting horses. ive tried mixing 60p with 4k time line, 30p with 1080p timeline. nothing seems to make the horse more crisp. any advice?
I’d probably have to see an image of this first before offering any specific advice. Could you dm me a sample image or video on Instagram? I’m thinking that the light leaking into your image from the sun could be washing the image out t I’d have to see to be sure.
i never knew higher framerate give you less quality...i always thought it is the other way around
btw do you have any video tutorial about that part on 00:50 when the camera follows the ball?
Yeah interesting right? But just because the quality of a single frame is worse doesn’t mean that slow motion can’t sometimes still look more professional depending on how it’s used.
Here’s the video for motion tracking a shot to follow the ball:
th-cam.com/video/xmWa_IWmhhc/w-d-xo.html
why not go 1500 shutterspeed? or more? instead of using scenarios where you use 250 or 500 ?
When shooting video at 1080 120 fps is there ever a reason to go beyond a shutter speed of 1/400? When taking photos you see several videos recommend 1/1000 or 1/1250 for shooting sports, but it doesn't seem like that concept applies to video is that true?
Can you film in 24fps for pregame and 60 fps for fast game
Action then put both frame rates on a 24fps timeline?
Yes you can and I typically film in multiple frame rates then put them all on a 24fps timeline
HEI, thank you for the input and really good tips. But what iso speed are you using, saying between f2,8 and f4 aperture?
Your ISO is very much going to be set on a case by case basis in most situations. I usually set my other settings how I like and then use ISO to get a proper exposure on my image. I do have a certain ISO value that I won’t push past though since beyond there my image gets too grainy (this value will be different for each position depending on the camera body that they’re using and it’s low light performance) so if I reach that value and my image is still underexposed then I will make adjustments like filming at a lower frame rate to allow me to drop my shutter speed and subsequently get more light into my image without boosting the ISO any higher. I hope this helps.
@miloukorthouwer lenses will matter in terms of how high you have to bring your ISO to get a decent exposure but a certain ISO number shouldn’t result in more or less grain just because of a different lens all else equal. With the A7iii I tried to not push over 3200 - 4000 if possible and 6400 was my absolute max. 12 800 is in my opinion completely unusable and becomes too soft if using noise reduction.
I’ve been watching these videos for 2 weeks as I’m ready to dive into the videography world for my sons 14U AAU basketball team. With the Sony A7IV on the horizon, would you recommend jumping right to that and going with 4k60 video or starting with an A7iii and doing 1080p120? Will be going with the 70-200 f4 lens you recommended with either model. Thanks for the feedback!
My personal opinion is that for sports, I’d rather have 1080p120 than 4K60, and even if the A7iv can record in 10-bit, I really don’t think that’s very necessary for most purposes. If I were in your position I’d probably start with the A7iii, see how that’s meeting my needs, and then if there’s an urge to upgrade decide to do that at a later time. Mind you, you really can’t go wrong either way here so whatever you pick between those two should be more than capable.
Not sure where you’ll be filming but the high school gyms in my area of Massachusetts are fairly dark so an F4 hasn’t worked for me. However, I just purchased an a7iii and with the ability to shoot at a higher iso the F4 may be possible.
@@TowannaLoweHarris definitely might be possible but for a lot of dark high school gyms I still wish I’d had an f2.8 lens
It seems like you need a high iso low grain camera in order to do the higher shutter speeds right?
It certainly helps
awesome vid thanks!
i’m about to film a basketball workout vid for my friend. Should I use 24fps the whole time to get the cinematic look or 60fps in a 24 timeline
nevermind. I saw ur reply to Peter!
Ok awesome! Best of luck with your workout vid
how to handle shutterspeed when the gym is not lighted enough, I tend to reduce my shutterspeed but the quality is less good
Yeah I wouldn’t ever recommend manipulating light by using shutter speed. I’d always try to get a lens with a lower f-stop or a camera body that can produce useable footage at a higher ISO before I touch my shutter speed for the sake of controlling light.
@@petersarellas wassup bro, I wanted to now about the posterize video effect : I shoot in 100fps but I'm editing in 25fps, do you know how to do this effect with 25fps ?
So is there a math formula to determine what you should over crank to?
What about going 24fps at a higher shutter?
Did u ever try This out?
I don’t know though i can only shoot in 30fps 4k and 1080p 60fps🥲😭
What aperture and ISO values do you normally use for sports video?
This varies heavily based on where I’m filming and what content I’m capturing but when I’m filming basketball inside of a moderately well-lit gym I usually end up somewhere around f4 and ISO 4000
@@petersarellas Thanks Peter for the quick response. One more question: What picture profile do you use / recommend?
@@taz7173 for cameras that can shoot 10-bit colour or greater SLog 3 and for cameras with 8-bit colour HLG3 (speaking specifically about Sony cameras)
What would you recommend for a home run derby?
With how fast the bat swings and some of the reactions that you’re going to get id go at least 120fps
@@petersarellas thank you so much!!
So record at 60fps or 120fps to get slow motion, but your timeline has to be edited on 24fps?
Your timelines frame rate has to be a lower fps than the frame rate of the footage you film, so yes a 24fps timeline with 60 or 120fps footage would give you slow motion
@@petersarellas Thank you
Wow, what a good info
Happy to help!
When I’m shooting 120fps and add to a 24fps time line what % should to go to to get normal speed?
20% (bc 24/120 = .2)
@@petersarellas 100% would be slow motion. So what would I need to go up to for normal speed?
If I shoot 120fps, what frame rate should i be editing in post to slow down some of the footage and also have the jittery effect?
I’d recommend editing on a 24fps timeline. The thing that gives the jittery effect is the shutter speed, or more specifically the lack of motion blur when filming at high shutter speeds, and that shutter speed will remain at whatever it was when you were filming regardless of the number frames per second. A 24fps timeline will allow you to slow your footage down as much as possible without beginning to look like frames are missing if you’re filming slow motion.
@@petersarellas thanks, also deciding between cameras. Looking to either get the a6400 or the new ZV-E10. only thing is the ZV-E10 doesn’t have a viewfinder…. any suggestions?
Wish I watched this earlier big help man thx
No problem! Happy it helped you out
why when you film in 24 fps and import it into premiere it looks so choppy?
Make sure to double check that the frame rate of your composition is set to 24fps, the same as your footage. If your computer isn’t strong you may also be dropping frames when playing back because your computer doesn’t have the processing power to display every frame in real time.
@@petersarellas yeah it might just be me because i’m used to high frame rates. and i’m going to a hockey game tomorrow and i film on my iphone 13 pro max is that good enough if i don’t have a camera yet?
If I shoot 120fps should what should i set up my editing system as ???
i have an important question what is your sequence setting i mean when you shot at 120 fps do you export at 120fps as while or 24 ?
Shoot in 120 export in 24
@@petersarellas thanks a lot my brother god bless you
What is the fps timeline bro? Do you edit in 24fps?
Yes I edit in 24 fps
This is awesome! Thanks!
For ISO, do I just set it on auto?
I recommend choosing an appropriate ISO manually since on auto the ISO may adjust as you pan the camera depending on how dark one area of the space you’re filming in is compared to another, and these changes in exposure can cause issues with your clip.
@@petersarellas Thank you!!
What mic are you wearing?
Rode Wireless Go. There’s now a Rode Wireless Go 2 that I’d recommend looking into if you’re in the market for something similar
1080 120fps at 1/400 is my go to
Heck yeah! Looks great
hi can you do 24fps w/ 1/500 s/s? tia
I would recommend not doing that unless for a specific effect that you’re trying to achieve
Thanks
You’re welcome
So 4k 24 fps would look better than 4k 60 fps? Noob question.
I believe yes, because you get higher bit rate, i.e. information per frame…but I am sort of a noob, too.😅
It would look more as a film does in 24, but you probably want to film 60fps or 120fps, mainly because sports has a lot of movement and to allow you to do slo mo and speed ramp.
I agree, and also, fast movements (sports) sometimes look cleaner at 60fps than 24fps @@quiztasiarocks
Just got my Sony a6400 can’t wait to start filming. What picture profile do you use and how do you properly expose your shots? I’ve been looking at HLG2/3. Love the content man!!! 🔥🔥🔥
If you have hlg3 use it! Some of the aps-c sensor mirrorless cameras from Sony don’t have hlg profiles so in that case I’d use cine4 since in my opinion it looks pretty good right out of camera. Whatever you do avoid slog at all costs on those 8-bit mirrorless cameras because you won’t have the depth in the colours that you need to really grade it and it might start breaking on you. Usually I expose a full stop over when shooting hlg profiles. Love that you’re enjoying the content!
@@petersarellas thanks for the advice! By the way do you use colour mode BT.2020 or 709?
@@Phungtastic 709
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Should’ve said basketball
you talked like it's in 240fps framerate hehehe
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I just got the Sony A74 I'm using it for basketball games. What should my file format be i have it set to HVAC S HD and should i be recording in 60fps. I just followed you on IG you can send me a Dm if you want
I usually film in XAVC S 4K60 when filming sports on my A7iv because the files are smaller (compared to XAVC HS and XAVC-I) and still look good while remaining relatively easy to work with. I’ve also shot XAVC S HD 60fps on the A7iv before as there is an option to do so with 10-bit colour, and I find that when you do this with 10-bit colour the change in resolution is not noticeable and the images still look good.
@@petersarellas I tested it out today in HVAC S HD 60fps in the 8-bit settings with a shutter speed of 1/160 and the video came out amazing. I'll try the HVAC S 4k 60fps soon. Thanks for replying
If you’re shooting 120FPS for sports, what timeline FPS do you edit on?
24fps timeline
appreciate your response and continuous education for videographers… Thank you