Just came from Mr Ballen's video and have to admit that Sumitra's story is quite facinating and mind blowing, I heard she's dead now finally May Her Rest In Peace !
When I read a link John (“Mr. Ballen”) provided, I noticed that he did not recount the case accurately in multiple details. He lost credibility to me because of that. For instance, the way Sumitra died - she didn’t “go into a trance” with her eyes rolling up in her head and fingers stretched out etc.. She wasn’t appearing dead for 45 minutes. She was actually super ill and had a really high grade fever. The paper said she appeared to have died from the fever, appearing dead for FIVE minutes, and then “came back to life.”
I am Here After Reading Investigation of Sumitra Shiva..i think Everything about Sumitra Shiva Story is true...We are Hindus And in Hinduism we Strongly Believe in Reincarnation❤❤ We are Millions of Years Old Civilization ❤❤
Shiva case: Its wonderful how the relationships remain intact even after such drastic changes such as death. Sumitra got back the body but not the soul but the relations with in-laws continued as before. I hope the murderers of Shiva got punished.
With or without trying i remember no such thing as having had a previous life. But that means nothing in view of the fact that i can't remember what i did yesterday, much the less what happened last week.
For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain. (Bhagavad-gita 2.20)
I try to believe but I have a nagging question in my mind. How is it that the earth's population keeps getting larger and larger if the same souls are reincarnating?
Becky Lawler Who knows? The world is a really weird place. But people usually respond by saying that consciousness can split apart to form many more pieces of consciousness. Or maybe souls can also reincarnate into physical bodies on different planets in the solar system. Or maybe there is a way for new souls to be formed somehow. I have no idea how, but I’m starting to think anything is possible in this weird world.
Reincarnation does not necessarily mean that your previous life or after life must be a human being. It could be animals or some other forms of being. In Buddhism, there are six realms: gods, demi-gods, humans, animals, hungry ghosts and hells. Some realms are not visible from our eyes. I'm not saying such worldview is true but just that Buddhism has its own way of explaining your question. Does that solve your puzzle?
It's because some souls are still being made in the universe. All souls start out fresh at some point. Also I've read about souls could be from beings on different universes.
Trying to twig my memory here. I once read an article [1991-93] about #pastlives and #children. A lot of the #pastlives were English and one was about #warwickcastle. I think it may have come from a tabloid review about this show?
Gen Patton thought he was alexander the great and other great generals from the past,he even rememberd the battles di I dunno ..but I keep a open mind bc liife has tons of mysterys...
Sumitra was Possessed with Other Soul. Wahi use apne Saath le gai. Kyuki Sumitra ki maut natural nahi thi... Uska Sharir abhi Saboot tha. Aur kisi bhi aatma ke use mai aa sake aisa tha.. Shiva ki aatma usme Parvesh kar gai. Story of Possession and Parkaya Pravesh.
Interesting that all these cases only seem to happen in societies for which reincarnation is a strong religious belief, and not anywhere else in the World. No possible confirmation bias whatsoever, lol.
You are right, in the West there is a strong prejudice. First by Christianity that has denied reincatnation for 1700 years, and secondly by scientific materialism, which denies the soul as a matter of principle. There are, however, many known Western cases. Google Leinimger, for a fameus American case.
@@ooorfeo Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. As for science, it does not deny the existence of a soul. It does however state that evidence of one has not been found yet, and it's not for a lack of trying. Everything in the universe in which we exist has a physical property to it without exception, therefore a soul (as in : conscience beyond death) should too. There are still many things unconfirmed, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility. If it is possible though, there are physical attributes to a migrating or eternal soul that are yet to be discovered. Keeping an open mind goes both ways and folks who "want to believe" also have to realize that hoaxes exist as well, and are quite prevalent throughout human history. Always keep the Sherlock Holmes approach to the paranormal : Occam's razor!
Exactly my thoughts. As fascinating as these cases are, I don't get why you don't hear much of these in societies that don't believe in reincarnation. Like the western world or the middle east.
Becoz , they only combined some sort of cases !! Which was investigated by the lady taking interviews of the ppl claiming to be reincarnated.......hard to understand!? lol And there are tons of cases from each country and religion....search it up on utube you'll know then !!!!
Robert Hays they believe their children’s stories. I think it also might be there’s a raster cycle of death and rebirth. More young children die than in the west.
This is cool, but looking stuff up i can only seem to find one study on this story published in a journal which isnt very widely respected since it is mostly seen as a pseudo science fringe journal. These authors could have a lot of motive in corrobarating the story since they would want to publish interesting work. Also, Sumitra and her husband had motive since they could experience benefits to their caste standing by associating with the higher caste family of Shiva, and they could have collaborated with Shiva's father who could have motive since he apparently was filing a case against Shiva's in laws and could have thought he would get more support with the supposed first hand witness account from his dead daughter (i cant find any info regarding whether he was already suspecting them, because again there is very little info i can find on this case, but he could have thought this was a good idea since india is a very religious place). Also, the wealthy father of Shiva could have money to pay off certain villagers like the medicine man or Sumitra herself. India's caste culture was even stricter then than it is today, so it is likely any such villagers would not be able to obtain such payments otherwise. Also, apparently, Sumitra already could write before her illness, and someone else remarked that her writing language proficiency was noticably worse than Shiva's. This is interesting though. I wish there were more info about whether she remembered intimate details about people in Shiva's life besides the surface knowledge possibly known by Shiva's father
@ambardarlane I don't have vivid memories of my past lives, but I still have like and dislikes carried over. In one life, I was a monk around 1000 AD, a copyist. That is why I have a strange habit of taking notes from books I read (non-school). In my previous one, I was a man who smoked a pipe. In this one, I'd like to smoke a pipe or cigar, but don't (I'm female). In one life, I was a shaman who did "readings", healing etc. That's why I'm drawn to New Age or Holistic stuff.
What utter nonsense. I like aircrafts, doesn’t mean I was a pilot in a previous life. You have likes and dislikes like everyone else based on your own (current) life experiences. Occam’s Razor deals with you claim quite nicely.
i agree this is crazy shit and unexplainable but i wonder why all the people always reincarnate within walking distance of where their "earlier selves" lived.
We live in a world where two out of the three greatest religions don't believe in reincarnation (Islam & Christianity). So if an actual case of rebirth takes place, say in North or South America, or Europe or even the Middle East, it will either be dismissed as a satanic possession or a mental illness. This means that if I am an Indian Hindu, unless my soul is born in India in my next birth, it will not be noticed as a case of reincarnation. Even in Indian Muslims, there is a strong opposition to the idea of reincarnation. So a case of reincarnation can only be found if I am specifically born in a nearby area in a family that believes in reincarnation. The walking distance argument has one explanation, though it is again, just what I think; not an established fact. I think that certain triggers are needed for a person to be reminded of his previous birth. If I am born far far away, even in a family that believes in reincarnation, I will never get that one trigger (familiar scenes, smell, food, faces etc) that can remind me of my previous life. Add to it the fact that memories of previous lives rapidly go away as a child grows up. By the time a child is 5-6 years old, those memories have already vanished. I think that rebirth/reincarnation is far more common than we think. It is just that people are being born in far off places than where they lived in their last life, in societies that actively dismiss such beliefs, leading to a situation where only those who are born close to where they lived (and in the same culture) are getting the recognition. Other cases are just slipping away quietly.
Mr. Ballen omitted some interesting details, like the fact that two months passed between the death and the supposed "reincarnation", that Sumitra already knew how to write before and that Shiva father's was most likely desperate to find evidence of foul play in his daughter's murder. Furthermore, both Sumitra and her husband could not be contacted and then apparently "died" before they could be re-interviewed by researchers, according to the psi encyclopedia page. In a society which believes in reincarnation, a stunt like this would (and did) give Shiva's father tons of credibility. All this points to an elaborate hoax, nothing more.
1:01 bulllllcrap. There are kids born with 8 limbs, 2 bodies/1 head, giant 18 inch hands, ect. Just 2 weeks ago a baby girl with 14 fingers (and 12 toes). It's gotta be the crazy amounts of pollution in both the drinking water supply & the Ganges River.
Anybody here because of Mr Ballen? Lol
Aye 🤣
Yup lol tried to search the name.
No luck til I saw the link mr ballen provided
Gents it looks like we stumble on the wrong video lol 😂
ooh shit🤣
😂
Good to see more and more videos about the work of Dr Ian Stevenson. RIP
Just came from Mr Ballen's video and have to admit that Sumitra's story is quite facinating and mind blowing, I heard she's dead now finally May Her Rest In Peace !
She probably took over someone else body
I guess when Sumitra died she took someone else's body over.
@@YoDineroTV She got possessed yes the unsettled soul of Shiva wanted the unfinished business !
same here from mr ballen
When I read a link John (“Mr. Ballen”) provided, I noticed that he did not recount the case accurately in multiple details. He lost credibility to me because of that. For instance, the way Sumitra died - she didn’t “go into a trance” with her eyes rolling up in her head and fingers stretched out etc.. She wasn’t appearing dead for 45 minutes. She was actually super ill and had a really high grade fever. The paper said she appeared to have died from the fever, appearing dead for FIVE minutes, and then “came back to life.”
The Indian doctor who surveyed all these people
voice is really soothing..
I hope my dear one comes back and we talk again in my lifetime.
hii my dear Grandson, how's you?
@pavanbhagat7983 😂
Man, imagine being reborn and your damned fingers are still gone! C'mon! Lol
Shiva's sister in law killed Shiva and shiva killed sumitra ... Poor sumitra
I think it would not be in shiva's hand, Sumitra has been having attacks for a very long time
I am Here After Reading Investigation of Sumitra Shiva..i think Everything about Sumitra Shiva Story is true...We are Hindus And in Hinduism we Strongly Believe in Reincarnation❤❤
We are Millions of Years Old Civilization ❤❤
😂😂😂
Dude science has now accepted !$lam as the true non scientific and most stupid religion in the world.
Proud to be a muslim ❤
Kaise chudai ki kahani hein ye shiva ki
So are u hindu
Shiva case: Its wonderful how the relationships remain intact even after such drastic changes such as death. Sumitra got back the body but not the soul but the relations with in-laws continued as before. I hope the murderers of Shiva got punished.
With or without trying i remember no such thing as having had a previous life. But that means nothing in view of the fact that i can't remember what i did yesterday, much the less what happened last week.
For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain. (Bhagavad-gita 2.20)
I haven't read bhagvat geeta
You think I should ? Is it worth it
@@GurlTotoro-hy5lw Yes you should definitely read Bhagavad Gita
Bhagavad Gita changed my life entirely.
So please read Srimad Bhagavad Gita
Are you Christine @@GurlTotoro-hy5lw
5:35 - He said 'our child is dead". (Vaider voice) - I am your child!
7:28 Sumitra's Case
Yah mere area ka h
I try to believe but I have a nagging question in my mind. How is it that the earth's population keeps getting larger and larger if the same souls are reincarnating?
Becky Lawler you’ll have answers if you follow budhism
Chamith Madushanka I don't want to follow Buddhism. I just want to know the answer to a question. Do you know the answer to the question?
Becky Lawler Who knows? The world is a really weird place. But people usually respond by saying that consciousness can split apart to form many more pieces of consciousness. Or maybe souls can also reincarnate into physical bodies on different planets in the solar system.
Or maybe there is a way for new souls to be formed somehow. I have no idea how, but I’m starting to think anything is possible in this weird world.
Reincarnation does not necessarily mean that your previous life or after life must be a human being. It could be animals or some other forms of being. In Buddhism, there are six realms: gods, demi-gods, humans, animals, hungry ghosts and hells. Some realms are not visible from our eyes.
I'm not saying such worldview is true but just that Buddhism has its own way of explaining your question. Does that solve your puzzle?
It's because some souls are still being made in the universe. All souls start out fresh at some point. Also I've read about souls could be from beings on different universes.
Trying to twig my memory here. I once read an article [1991-93] about #pastlives and #children. A lot of the #pastlives were English and one was about #warwickcastle. I think it may have come from a tabloid review about this show?
Bharat will always Amaze
It happens for a reason to show god is real
Yes🙏🏻@@RSingh-n8m
Gen Patton thought he was alexander the great and other great generals from the past,he even rememberd the battles di I dunno ..but I keep a open mind bc liife has tons of mysterys...
Sumitra was Possessed with Other Soul. Wahi use apne Saath le gai.
Kyuki Sumitra ki maut natural nahi thi... Uska Sharir abhi Saboot tha. Aur kisi bhi aatma ke use mai aa sake aisa tha.. Shiva ki aatma usme Parvesh kar gai.
Story of Possession and Parkaya Pravesh.
Interesting that all these cases only seem to happen in societies for which reincarnation is a strong religious belief, and not anywhere else in the World. No possible confirmation bias whatsoever, lol.
You are right, in the West there is a strong prejudice. First by Christianity that has denied reincatnation for 1700 years, and secondly by scientific materialism, which denies the soul as a matter of principle. There are, however, many known Western cases. Google Leinimger, for a fameus American case.
Leininger is the correct name.
@@ooorfeo Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. As for science, it does not deny the existence of a soul. It does however state that evidence of one has not been found yet, and it's not for a lack of trying.
Everything in the universe in which we exist has a physical property to it without exception, therefore a soul (as in : conscience beyond death) should too. There are still many things unconfirmed, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility. If it is possible though, there are physical attributes to a migrating or eternal soul that are yet to be discovered.
Keeping an open mind goes both ways and folks who "want to believe" also have to realize that hoaxes exist as well, and are quite prevalent throughout human history. Always keep the Sherlock Holmes approach to the paranormal : Occam's razor!
Exactly my thoughts. As fascinating as these cases are, I don't get why you don't hear much of these in societies that don't believe in reincarnation. Like the western world or the middle east.
Becoz , they only combined some sort of cases !! Which was investigated by the lady taking interviews of the ppl claiming to be reincarnated.......hard to understand!? lol
And there are tons of cases from each country and religion....search it up on utube you'll know then !!!!
Here after mr ballen
Me too.
I think Shiva case is true
Mr Ballen has brought me here.
How is sad when you see so many people are unfortunately living poor in India 😥😢
Man this is early 90s. Poverty still exists, but things have gotten much, much better since then.
This 13 14 years old india 😂
@@MKCREATIVE99 This is from 1992 according to the description. 32 years old, not 13-14.
The main weakness with these stories is that they are in areas where reincarnation is part of the native religion.
Robert Hays they believe their children’s stories. I think it also might be there’s a raster cycle of death and rebirth. More young children die than in the west.
There are a lot of western reincarnation cases as well. They’re less known because there’s a stigma in the west as it’s considered anti-scientific.
Its a part of religion because there were numerous cases over millenium. So people logically added it over religion as well
@@ketunky3056reincarnation is Major thing accepted in Hindusm
just see case of annnee frank
Anyone here who have remember there past life like
Got here from Mr. Ballen's channel.
@ambardarlane would you tell me some more please,sir!?
This is cool, but looking stuff up i can only seem to find one study on this story published in a journal which isnt very widely respected since it is mostly seen as a pseudo science fringe journal. These authors could have a lot of motive in corrobarating the story since they would want to publish interesting work.
Also, Sumitra and her husband had motive since they could experience benefits to their caste standing by associating with the higher caste family of Shiva, and they could have collaborated with Shiva's father who could have motive since he apparently was filing a case against Shiva's in laws and could have thought he would get more support with the supposed first hand witness account from his dead daughter (i cant find any info regarding whether he was already suspecting them, because again there is very little info i can find on this case, but he could have thought this was a good idea since india is a very religious place). Also, the wealthy father of Shiva could have money to pay off certain villagers like the medicine man or Sumitra herself. India's caste culture was even stricter then than it is today, so it is likely any such villagers would not be able to obtain such payments otherwise. Also, apparently, Sumitra already could write before her illness, and someone else remarked that her writing language proficiency was noticably worse than Shiva's.
This is interesting though. I wish there were more info about whether she remembered intimate details about people in Shiva's life besides the surface knowledge possibly known by Shiva's father
She did here’s a link med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2016/12/STE29Stevenson-1.pdf.
Kya bakwas likha h re??
@ambardarlane I don't have vivid memories of my past lives, but I still have like and dislikes carried over. In one life, I was a monk around 1000 AD, a copyist. That is why I have a strange habit of taking notes from books I read (non-school). In my previous one, I was a man who smoked a pipe. In this one, I'd like to smoke a pipe or cigar, but don't (I'm female). In one life, I was a shaman who did "readings", healing etc. That's why I'm drawn to New Age or Holistic stuff.
What utter nonsense. I like aircrafts, doesn’t mean I was a pilot in a previous life. You have likes and dislikes like everyone else based on your own (current) life experiences. Occam’s Razor deals with you claim quite nicely.
@ambardarlane what else do you remember?
i agree this is crazy shit and unexplainable but i wonder why all the people always reincarnate within walking distance of where their "earlier selves" lived.
Maybe souls have limited time in the earth so that they can not travel much distance after they leave one body.
We live in a world where two out of the three greatest religions don't believe in reincarnation (Islam & Christianity). So if an actual case of rebirth takes place, say in North or South America, or Europe or even the Middle East, it will either be dismissed as a satanic possession or a mental illness.
This means that if I am an Indian Hindu, unless my soul is born in India in my next birth, it will not be noticed as a case of reincarnation. Even in Indian Muslims, there is a strong opposition to the idea of reincarnation. So a case of reincarnation can only be found if I am specifically born in a nearby area in a family that believes in reincarnation.
The walking distance argument has one explanation, though it is again, just what I think; not an established fact.
I think that certain triggers are needed for a person to be reminded of his previous birth. If I am born far far away, even in a family that believes in reincarnation, I will never get that one trigger (familiar scenes, smell, food, faces etc) that can remind me of my previous life. Add to it the fact that memories of previous lives rapidly go away as a child grows up. By the time a child is 5-6 years old, those memories have already vanished.
I think that rebirth/reincarnation is far more common than we think. It is just that people are being born in far off places than where they lived in their last life, in societies that actively dismiss such beliefs, leading to a situation where only those who are born close to where they lived (and in the same culture) are getting the recognition. Other cases are just slipping away quietly.
Anybody here bcz of project nightfam
But according to dr stevenson's theory the first boy is too old to remember these things. They are supposed to forget most of the memories at age 5.
Not always, though.
Not always exceptions are Shanti Devi remembered it until her death.
When all Aliens travel to USA, reincarnations happen in India. 😂
love it....
Mr Ballen shoutout
Mr ballen be making us go into research mode after his videos 😂
@@robbieg6890 every time 😆
Mr. Ballen omitted some interesting details, like the fact that two months passed between the death and the supposed "reincarnation", that Sumitra already knew how to write before and that Shiva father's was most likely desperate to find evidence of foul play in his daughter's murder. Furthermore, both Sumitra and her husband could not be contacted and then apparently "died" before they could be re-interviewed by researchers, according to the psi encyclopedia page.
In a society which believes in reincarnation, a stunt like this would (and did) give Shiva's father tons of credibility. All this points to an elaborate hoax, nothing more.
@@SevenSixTwo2012 hmm very interesting
@@SevenSixTwo2012 I’m not that familiar with it at all but didn’t some professional or professor look into to it and couldn’t debunk it
I don't like the fact about still having the same mutilation.
mr balloon
In my past life I was a pig
I'm here after @mysteriousdunia real story teller by vicky bhai hit button who are after his story?
Sumitra case had some evidence to be true
ALL reincarnation true stories are from india
So
7:30
1:01 bulllllcrap. There are kids born with 8 limbs, 2 bodies/1 head, giant 18 inch hands, ect. Just 2 weeks ago a baby girl with 14 fingers (and 12 toes).
It's gotta be the crazy amounts of pollution in both the drinking water supply & the Ganges River.
Christianity is a joke
so we know
❤
i think this shiva case is mental case nothing else
because she behave like mental
But that doesn't explain how she could read and write suddenly
then how she knows their personal information?
sumitra was uneducated woman ,then how she wrote letters in english ? definetly its real case
poor people born again in poor family...hahahah
Don’t laugh, it may happen to you next life
@@peter9878 he will be a insect(fly
U are an Idiot!...hahahah