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Chaos in Moscow as Russia's Jammers Spoof the Citizens' GPS Signals
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 พ.ค. 2023
- GPS and Glonass and other satellite-based communications were disrupted in Moscow, as Russia's jamming equipment spoof the GPS signals of vehicles, showing them in the wrong locations.
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Interesting how a couple of drones can achieve so much
like the Doolittle Raid , it drew all kinds of forces back to Japan away from the real fronts
Similar to a minor GRU effort to disrupt the 2016 US election, resulting in way more disruption, division and damage to the US than russia ever could have dreamed of. And it continues to grow.
The only thing they've achieved so far is the mass murder of Ukrainian civilians in Russian retaliatory strikes.
Of the 3 options: a Ukrainian attack, partisans in Russia or a Russian false flag operation, I think we've left out pro-Russians doing this on their own to illicit a response. I don't see that this has done anything good for Ukraine.
Or, to put it differently: "The drone strike is a present that keeps on giving".
Given the actual effectiveness, it was a laughable attack. It didn't even cause significant damage to the roof or flagpole (which is a shame, imagine the footage of a burning russian flag on that dome lol), but the symbolic importance can't be overstated: It makes Russia look like utter tools.
And now, just as icing on the cake, the Russian reaction affects millions of people's daily lives very directly. The disruption of GPS might be a minor inconvenience, but a tiny puff of smoke above the Kremlin lead to something very notableto the average citizen for several days.
My DJI drone is very Jealous.
I live in the Washington DC area, and our GPS becomes quite inaccurate near the Pentagon and White House. This has been the case for years. Nevertheless, I chuckle at the notion of Russki taxis and scooters floating in the river.
I had a scooter. In the 70's. No GPS thank the gods. Some things today are just dumb.
Disruption of GPS in western countries would be devastating to the economy. A solution is to ensure cellular providers and cellphone makers have implemented 5G positional services which are as accurate as 30cm and drained for both road and drone navigation.
@@williamzk9083 If the disruption concerns only the GPS, that won't so devastating, because of the existence of other GNSS constellations (Galileo, GLONASS, Beidou or QZSS). If all of GNSS are disrupted, the devastation won't be only for the Western economy but for the world economy.
And yes, the 5G positioning is a back-up solution and it is a method more and more used as complement of GNSS, mainly for indoor positioning where satellite signals are lost.
Special Water Operation!
Nothing like a bit of self inflicted chaos
THEY CANT STOP CLOWNING THEMSELFS
It is all they have. :(.... LMFAO!
@@L_Train english is not my first language
Sort of like closing the barn door after the horse has escaped.
Dmitri where is the horse? I'll check Olga. Oh yes, it is in the river according to my GPS.
They're not really closing the barn. They're making it harder to track exactly where you are. But a skilled flyer could still find something as obvious as the Kremlin if they want to have another shot.
Imagine how flustered they'd be if they took measures to protect themselves and they can't even fix their problems.
The old Tomahawk cruise missles had an optical navigation system that used terrain contour matching, TERCOM, to find its target. Time to go back to the good old days.
Inertial navigation works pretty good too these days. Most (maybe all) gps guided bombs the us uses have ins built into them as a fallback.
In WW1 the Red Baron used a magnificent piece of technology to achive his stunning 82 victories. It was called a Mark I Eyeball. That you can rely on always.
Jamming is unlikely to effect a military grade GPS receiver or even one with anti jamming directional antenna. It’ll hurt your own economy more. Apart from TERCOM “terrain contour mapping” and “Digital Scene Correlation” major assets like B52, trident etc will have celestial navigation star/sun trackers accurate to about 180m. LORAN still works, inertial navigation works and so do Doppler system linked to inertial.
@@Typexviiib I know you said "these days", but INS is old tech that in some ways guided systems like the V2 rocket. Modern GPS/INS systems use the same INS accuracy of the past with GPS as a means of periodically updating the INS position.
But then Tomahawk needed a nuklear warhead to hit the spot anyway!
That's what it was built for
We're jammin'
To think that jammin' was a thing of the past
We're jammin',
And I hope this jam is gonna last
Not sure about the cars. But I get the feeling those scooter locations are real.
Some of the cars probably are too given the reputation of vodka taking the wheel.
In Moscow as in London! 😂
Yes when the rental scooters here were introduced they ended up in the river ,don't know if it stopped or just the reporting of it
Spoofing is much more serious and difficult to implement than jamming. With jamming it's basically just blasting out RF in those frequencies so that the much weaker signals from the satellites can't be received. Spoofing is sending out encrypted signals that appear valid but that contain false data that results in the wrong position being triangulated. My guess is that Russia was using jamming, and yet this attack succeeded, so they had to switch to spoofing instead.
Also it isn't clear from those screenshots if it's GPS or GLONASS that is showing incorrect positions. Obviously Russia controls GLONASS, so they can reduce the accuracy or send false data whenever they want. The USA does this with the public side of GPS signals over areas with military activity so enemies can't use it against the US.
I'm pretty sure the drone was a false flag by Russia.
Thanks Dan, that was really interesting!
GPS is one directional. So there is no encryption that isn't time based. And you can't send out signals from the satellites selectively, as your position is calculated locally as a trigonometric function of your time delay to each of the satellites you're connected to. So basically you just waffled off a bunch of nonsense.
This kind of thing is among the best evidence that the attack was real - an attempt to ensure it can't be repeated.
I've seen the drone attack compared to Mathias Rust's famous flight into Red Square in 1987, which profoundly embarrassed Soviet authorities and increased the sense among ordinary Soviet citizens that the system was in decay (1987 being a year after Chernobyl, and of course with the failure of the Afghan War weighing heavily on society as well).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust
@@daneast GPS spoofing is real, but the stuff you said about selectively altering the civilian GPS signal from the satellites themselves is complete BS.
From "Kiev in 3 days" to being scared to death.
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They are always scared. During the height of Stalin's terror more than four million Russians were arrested and sent to camps - and only five NKVD officers were killed during the arrests. Five. The neighbours just looked the other way and did nothing.
Today they are the spineless grandchildren of the Gulag. They go to kill kids in Europe because they are scared of prison, and they say they do it because they are scared of NATO.
@@1984newspeak the irony of your own comment could only be generated by a gopnik🤡 troll.
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@@1984newspeak You're really not very good at this, silly vatnik.
I'm jammin, jammin. Jammin in the name of the lord.
The BBC Russia editor said last week that the last time he was near the Kremlin (prior to the drone attack), his phone GPS placed him at an airport many kilometres away.
🍿I'm getting the impression The Vlad's 🇷🇺🧛🏻♂ parade is going to be more entertaining than expected 🍿
I am really looking forward to it, I never thoight id say that about Russia's parade lol.
@@suchomimus9921 There is a big chance that the whole point of this "attack" was to have an excuse to not make 9 may parades in every other big Russian city -> as because of all the acomplishment on the battlefield they are unable to provide the hardware that normaly is taking part in them...
That also explains why they were doing this hardcoreGPS jamming only for a very short time after the attack.
Maybe they'll cancel it because the Orc military hardware found itself in (with) the Moskva /s.
But seriously there is a lot of Western Car hardware listed here, that will be hamstrung once it eventually breaks down!
@@wino99999 So the ladas have been conscripted too 🛺
Nothing a truck filled with diesel and ammonium nitrate fertilizer can't handle. Just like the Kerch Strait Bridge.
that traffic jam on the bridge reminds me of that kremmina river crossing russian army tried.
CHAOS IN MOSCOW!!
Mission accomplished!
I used to be a land surveyor, we used gps based survey techniques on a daily basis. On 9/11 we were out in the field surveying when we lost all satellite connections on all 3 survey stations. We packed up and walked out to our vehicles. It was only when someone heard the news, about the twin towers, on the car radio that the GPS going off made sense.
GPS was not shut down on 9/11.
@mattz1230 I didn't say it was, I said our three survey stations all lost GPS signal. We had to triangulate with at least three satellites, preferably more. If something was changed, that could have caused the loss of one or more. I know what happened at my end.
@@davefloyd9443 Yeah, you're lying.
Do you even know how GPS works? The government will never degrade it- even for a short time- because the economic hit would be FAR worse than anything an enemy could do with GPS data.
You're trying to make something up out of nothing.
That's exactly where the scooters belong, in the river.
Spoofing, as opposed to just basic jamming , has been reported around the port of Novorossiysk in the Black Sea by shipping for some years now. Apparently placing all ships using the system 25 miles away, in one location.
Spoofing is also very common in the northern part of Norway, and probably also Finland and Sweden, close to the Russian border. Its been a pain in the butt for civil aviation for many years now, however, we have also developed countermeasures and alternatives.
Looks like Ivan was stealing the lead to make bullets
I used to argue with friends that these authoritarian totalitarian systems like Ruz, Chynna, NK, Iran... they will fall under their own weight. I don't argue anymore... I just enjoy the show.
I dunno… the show might get a bit more kinetic than we would like.
Me too👍and also I Just laughfing about there Systems Complete and so less People understude.....
They do but they can last a surprisingly long time and often crash when people have given up on the idea that they could collapse.
Uh, dunno about that. They seem to be in the ascendancy. Some democratic countries are verging on becoming dictatorships.
@@dogcarman That is their decision. They already know what they will and will not do. Choose courage in the face of evil Blyat
That's firework damage on the Kremlin
Everything is going according to plan.
Electric scooters being located in the river may not be a bug, to be fair.
i was thinking that also.. they fish them out of rivers on three continents
@@dertythegrower at this point i'm starting to think lakes and rivers are their natural habitat
In Moscow as in London! 😂😂
Not only does it jam drone operations, but also causes traffic jam!
I don't use GPS. Just use a pen and write down the route from Google maps. 😆
Meanwhile, some teenage electronics nerd sits in his parent's basement tinkering with electronics muttering to himself "Ooh, I just HATE dome!"
Moscow taxis now come equipped with life-belts and water-wings.
Love the variety of factual news on this channel. Thanks!!!
Wow great closeup
so does this mean that if Russia switched over to Self-driving vehicles, then they would all end up in the river🤣🤣🤣
Good, quick and informative video again.
Because Mr. S’s channel is often about military subjects, let’s recognize that electronic jamming and spoofing are quite different things. Likely is that measurements of jamming don’t measure spoofing.
This is largely true. "Jamming detection" is simply coarse measurement of signals present. Given 🐊's report, there's spoofing in play. Given the reasonably low location error, it seems they have retransmitters with nominal delay between the receive and retransmission of glasnost/GPS signals.
"Jamming and spoofing are quite different things". Daaamn, they left that out when I went through Keesler AFB. Wait, were you trying to sound informed? Because you failed hard.
This is why air traffic requires a ground based navigation component as backup. Even if GPS dropped offline at night during bad weather you're expected to use the "old school" radio beacons to get to your destination.
cars have it since a while as well, so that the route in tunnels and so on can be tracked as well. But it needs a somewhat valid GPS signal at the starting point - otherwise it will remember the last stop. In cars, it is INS based - radio beacons are used in naval and airborne navigation.
its a good thing people can't fly by instantly recognizable landmarks anymore.
Russia the gift that keeps giving to comedians everywhere. Why isn't the apology for a country simply flushed down the toilet.
Lol Australia used drone jammers during a Formula 1 race here in Australia, it also messed with all our GPS and other electronic devices.
The same system has been sent to Ukraine, have not heard much on it from over there though.
There was multifrequency jamming in London yesterday for the Coronation. There was a notice to airmen in place warning that it could be in place at any time up to 17km from the city centre. It seems quite a common thing to do by the security authorities these days.
Sometimes it pays to not advertise what tricks you have…
I traveled to Moscow over five years ago and my western GPS would not show the right location when near the Kremlin. It would show you were twenty km's away from your real location.
Similar shenanigans happen in China. Understandable, really, GPS is US military property, which is why Russia and China both have their own systems, GLONASS and BeiDou respectively.
I have experienced that near U S Army posts.
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Konstantin/ #InsideRussia said as much. He said that area was an "RF dead zone," which translates into engineering-speak as:
the area was so RF-rich (from broadband jamming) that no radios would work.
Most modern smartphones can and will use any available GPS systems. eg GPS, GLONASS. etc.
It would be fun to spoof the entire Black Sea Fleet to Moscow
I wonder how people get around driving if GPS is jammed. Some people can't go to the loo without GPS. That should be a new flavour for jam, GPS. Grape, pear and strawberries or something.
I heard taxi drivers are having a hell of a time with there GPS and are complaining
they need to use the old brain as it was before gps , I was a Taxi driver for over 20 years and never used a sat nav
@@uptowndisco2 a lot of the people that do taxi service similar to Uber where it's all online are having hard times they're saying they're not able to find location to pick up or drop off and having to rely on old-fashioned calls and asking for the address and using old fashioned navigation most of those apps used that kind of GPS to Ping where to pick them up and drop them off
@@uptowndisco2 It is one of the biggest cities in the world... and if you were usingGPS before then you do not have it in your head...
time they learned to drive their cities again without it, like used to be a requirement to get a job as one.
We be jammin!!! Slava 🇺🇦
They haven't heard of startrackers and optical navigation
Such is the law of unintended consequences.
My dad still has a Thomas Guide😂 Maybe this old school map has a Russian equivalent!
Thanks very much.
Special Navigation Operation is success!
Thanks a lot, really funny. " everything is on the plan"
Interesting!
Thank you.
🙋🏼
thanks for the coverage
Jeep drives by two kids on sidewalk, accelerates and crashes into the river.
Look, Vovka. One more with GPS
Thank you good Sir
We jammin, and I hope you like jammin too
The attack was probably as a threat to the May 9th parade. It is likely that there will be attacks. The Ukrainian secret service did warn for it, not to attend the parade because there could be attacks.
Any way.
Good upload.
Greetings,
Jeff
Yet GPS spoofing is only effective if the drone is flying in GPS mode. Almost all drones Ukraine are using including DJI ones have their gps disabled to avoid giving up location of the pilot.
So these measures will achieve very little apart from giving great inconveniences to the first responders and other drivers.
Special GPS operation 😂😂😂
Thank you
So much for self-driving cars...
JPSJam might just recognize a "No useable signal detected". -Spoofing nevertheless gives a Fata Morgana to the receivers, -so that they don't recognize that they have been tricked on.
maybe putin will lose his way to the kremlin toilet and pull out his kremlin toilet GPS phone app and end up walking out a third storey window due to gps spoofing.....
This has got to be exploding orc brains😘
Good reporting. Go Ukraine.
You have not arrived at your destination !!!!!
Thanks bro.
This is very interesting. I was thinking of this as a russian method to deflect GPS-guided weaponry. Thanks for this analysis.
Looks like it's time to break out the old and time test road maps...my bad, paper road maps might not have been printed in the last 20 years.
@@manzion7599 6 or 14 grit?
I seem to recall, at the start of the invasion, troops were complaining that they'd been issued out of date maps. So you're probably right.
@@hilbridanongoogle4465 Some POWs reported being sent with maps from the 70s 😂😳🇺🇦🌻
I have maps of the entire North America by county made of paper
@@hilbridanongoogle4465 You're correct, Russia sent out Soviet era maps of Ukraine and those idiots troops were all kinds of lost.
I imagine that maybe, if the drone were real, it would drop a Ukrainian flag onto the Kremlin's Flagstaff instead of blow up.
I think if ukraine sends anything it would bomb a bunch of leaflets with the message
..Anytime we want.
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Simply amazing what data is available these days.
This channel jams.
I guess it would be too obvious if misdirected gps sent even more people to the battlefront.
"Panic on the streets of Moscow,
Panic on the streets of Voronezh,
I wonder to myself,
Could Russia ever be sane again?"
Thanks for researching
HIMARS may suffer from GPS-jamming.
Jam love.
Worldclass militaries dont depend solely on GPS. We gave it to the civilian sector only after we had a better option... that was over 20 years ago 😅
Good song about this.... Ooh, yeah! All right!
Alright.
We're jammin', I wanna jam it wid you
We're jammin', jammin',
And I hope you like jammin', too
We're jammin'
To think that jammin' was a thing of the past
We're jammin',
And I hope this jam is gonna last
We're jammin'
Jammin'
Jammin'
Jammin'
Jammin'
If First Responders are also subject to bombing, that might point to something interesting concerning GLONASS: The GPS has a ‘closed’ setting, where military- and other service users can still access the signal with an encryption.
If GLONASS has to be jammed, and First Responders also show up in the Neva, the. it might not have that ‘closed’ option!
Self drive cars may have a problem. 😊
When I was in Moscow a few years ago, GPS was jammed around Kremlin already.
1:07 Scooters in the river is more plausible than you think
I'd call that a result!
My cars Sat Nav often shows me travelling in the canal that is about 200 yards from the motorway I use.
Imagine you're In 1 of those self driving vehicles and this happens oh yeah. That's why you have someone on a dead man switch. You have to have a driver.
Looks like they may have gotten their Waze update! I'm still waiting on mine.
Your Uber is underwater. It will be here, maybe …
for a price of a small drone, now the Russian is jamming their own capital. Isn't it great and stupid at the same time?
Sub Aqua tours of the Moskva available for a short time only.
Supposedly the American GPS system no longer works in Russia due to sanctions
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 nice one
Back to plug and play GPS.
Jamming is different than spoofing
Interesting to see this. Surely a case for INS pre programmed targeting if you can fit it on drones rendering them perhaps predictable in terms of flight path, but then again unjammable. Perhaps some older tech might do the job.
Like on Chaklun recon drone, which switches to INS when GPS starts acting up?
"How did this happen Dinesh?"
That was done by Russian army itself for provocation
Hmmm, self provacation?
ch...i....na.
OSINT is amazing stuff. Thanks!
We be Jammin with Bob Marley.
This is how usually glonass works, it doesn't.
My family have a running joke. Whenever our satnav gives us rubbish information we switch to the wetware BobGPS. It has its limitations but it is extraordinarily accurate for any location I have visited before.
Mine used to be accurate but old age is presenting problems.
I'm pretty sure the river is just where Russians leave scooters.
When Investigating ADSL faults it is surprising how many products can interrupt Internet data flow when affected by moisture and just fail due to say perhaps power fluctuations. I can see how easy it would be to create a gadget to slam a fair bit of radio wave range
It sounds like a good hunch sounds like something that's worth investigating to me