I just took a 2021 R18 Classic on a 140km test ride. I absolutely loved how it handled and felt on the highway. It got up to road speeds quickly, and made passing speeds so well. I think I found my next bike.
The BMW R 18 is a piece of Motorcycle Art with that Boxer engine, the Cardanic transmission, the level of attention to every detail and the fact that is something new and different from the rest on the market.
I love your reviews, guys. Thank you. I like the R18 much more - just for the looks and German attention to detail. When you see the R18 in person you can't stop looking at it. Harley looks good, but it is "just a Harley", if you know what I mean. :)
As a BMW rider, IDK. THere are ways I think the R18 falls short. I'd like a R18 that is more like a Road King than Heritage. Hard lockable bags, bigger tank, better seat, bigger windscreen.
Great job, gentlemen! The forward controls make the choice for me. Being able to relax my knees and stretch out a bit is one of the benefits of a traditional cruiser/weekender. Top review of both!
Just picked up a 2021 first edition. Its brilliant! I ride a 1200 GSA as well so the huge cylinders sticking out the sides is not a huge deal. Thank you for this review and keep up the great work. Cheers from Alaska
Hi guys, this is the video I've been waiting for and boy was it worth it. I’m so glad they were pitched evenly, as you know i have an R18 which i love and don’t think i could ever part with it and i have a Harley being delivered this Wednesday (street Bob 2021) so like you ....i love Chinese and Indian food. Many thanks and kind regards.
I’d pick the R18. I prefer mid controls. Forwards tend to put a lot of pressure on my tailbone and are harder to weight the pegs when turning or to lift out of the seat over big bumps. I do have highway pegs on the crash bar of my GS, so I can have a forward position even with the boxer engine. However, I’d say 90% of the time, I have my feet on the mid pegs and only use the highway pegs to stretch occasionally on long highway sections. I never use them on backroads.
The footboards on the Heritage aren't out too far forward. I'm 5'8" and they are positioned near perfect for me. You can move your feet five or six inches fore or aft.
Picking up the R 18 Classic next week. Been riding a Heritage Springer for the past 5 years. Looking forward to having reverse, and better front end control. No gas gage may be an adjustment. Will need to watch my kms, or hope for a reset at the very least.
I have demo ridden both of these. (The BMW that I rode was the initial model released) I really liked both. I would need a few hundred miles in the saddle to make my determination of which I would rather live with, especially considering the $$$$. I have owned a few big twin Harleys and the Heritage was a more familiar feel for me and it fits perfectly. The Heritage seemed to have a slightly lighter handling feel and the front end on the Bimmer seemed more planted and substantial. I was able to ride both on a mountain road and was equally impressed. Both were solid machines. A side by side fourth or fifth gear roll on would have been an interesting comparison to see which would pull away from the other. Several times, you mentioned that H-D should offer a bike between the Heritage and the Breakout which might compare more closely to this R18. I might suggest that the Road King might be that bike, although it does not have the hidden suspension. I agree with your assessment on the front brakes. You gave a point to the R18 for having riding modes where the Heritage had none. I can see that view. However technology, to some of us, is just an add on that we'd rather not have to deal with or pay for. (I'm not crazy about throttle by wire or keyless ignitions, either) I have owned and ridden several bikes with anti lock brakes and rider modes. I'm a simple guy and I prefer being 100% in charge of traction and braking. By the way, these two motorcycles are in my top five list of new bikes at the present time. I always enjoy your reviews. Keep 'em coming.
Thanks buddy. As the Harley is ride-by-wire and in a fixed mode we gave it to the R18. The Touring chassis on the Harleys gives a very different ride in our opinion so that’s why we didn’t put them in the same place. Thanks for your support 👍🏼👍🏼 We would love to have ridden them side-by-side but because of the Nanny State motorcycle licensing laws in the UK, Darcy can’t ride one for another 2-3 years!
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Because of his age, or riding years? That's interesting. I grew up in Illinois (a looonng time ago) and we weren't allowed to ride anything over 150cc until we were 18. I don't know if that's still the situation there since I've been out here in Wyoming for 42 years.
@@jroberthadden we have a compulsory progressive licensing system here that basically stops 99% of people riding at all. Most just wait till they’re 24 and do an intensive course
@@MrDarcy-OlMan So most of the youngsters don't get any practical riding experience until they're 24? Wow, I did not know that. What a shame. I have taken three Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, including the instructor course. I believe that the ONLY way to become road worthy is to have practical road experience. Even if it's on smaller bikes. So, if I'm understanding you, young riders may only ride smaller, or less powerful, bikes until they're 24, then they are automatically able to move up? I can see how that could discourage many from riding at all. Many times, when a person gets to that ripe old age, they are starting careers and families which, itself, limits many of them in buying motorcycles.
I test rode a Softail, Street Glide, and Road King and went with a 22 BMW R 18 B. Absolutely love it. It's the best thought out bike I've ever ridden. Fast up to 90, sounds great, brilliant cruise control, headlights, heated seat and grips, hill assist, reverse, abs and traction control. I love Harley's too, but for me the BMW is where it is at. Instant classic. I read most of the reviews of the BMW before the test ride and was very pleasantly surprised. IMHO, some of the problem with the reviews, not this one, is that they are asking people that think cruisers are stupid what they think of them. Or people that say any cruiser that's not a Harley is an imposter.
I own a 2020 Harley Low S. I considered the Heritage Classic after I bought the Low Rider S, haha. But I do love my LRS. I made some changes to my LRS such as crash bars, a saddleman step up seat, 10 inch handle bar riser with 2 inch pull back (I used the stock handle bars), viking saddle bags witj quick release, a Harley luggage rack with quick release sissy bar. Plan on adding passenger pegs and swapping out factory mufflers with Vance and Hines TWIN SLASH 3″ SLIP-ONS.I also took off the factory front and replaced it with a 18 inch wind shield. In hind sight I should have bought the saddleman Explorer Seat instead of the Step seat for added comfort.
Great review guys 👍🏻 The Breakout is still available as a 2021 model though here in the UK and elsewhere. If you were buying a bike now and depreciation on the Harley wasn’t a consideration would you choose the R18 or would you choose the Heritage?
The Heritage, there are a few 2020 unregistered bikes available, 18 to 19k gets you one, new bike is to order only, 21k for 21 model. BMW from 23k has further to drop generally. Picked up my Heritage today to go with my GSA 1250...
@@MrDarcy-OlMan On paper, but in a real road test - I mean with a day's road riding, the Harley stopped better, also the HD was more comfortable and the BMW showered sparks easier on the corners... where is the objectivity with no highway riding for a whole day? Oh, and the Honda Gold Wing has reverse gear - another heavy cruiser.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Your reviews are different to the rest and use a specific list of objective comparisons and there are weights and balances, so overall it is another way of looking at the task, but I also ask other reviewers to include parameters in their specific list of objectives that assist with their measure, TMF for one :) Keep it up guys!
Great job fellas, I would like to know, which bike has less cornering clearance? Which touches down first? Boards or pegs. And which would the Old Man choose to ride on a tour for a couple weeks holiday? Cheers 👍👍👍
Thanks buddy. I reckon the Heritage Classic has a bit more cornering clearance. I would actually go for the R 18 for longer tours because the riding position is more comfortable (despite no forward controls).
Thank you for the video. I hesitated (a little) between the two, and I just ordered ... a Heritage. My main reasons : - Impossibility of moving the legs on the R18, - Zero rear suspension of the R18, - Look of the Heritage without the saddlebags and windshield
I am a BMW1200GSA rider and am considering to buy a 2nd bike in the next year. At first I would go for the HD just to have "something" else, but 2 things certainly have made my choice lean more towards the BMW, and that is the reverse gear possibility and the dual front disk breaks. I am so used to these breaks with my GSA, that it would kind of hard to get used to a single front disk break. Thanks for the review! I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work and ride safe!!!
Long time Harley and Guzzi owner in the past but today I'd go for the BMW. Something about literally strapping yourself onto what looks and sounds like a BMW aircraft radial engine from the war is extremely appealing. Plus the custom ability for something completely different to anything else. Couldn't care less about a fuel gauge, that's what the trip odometer is for. Great review, subbed.
Great video guys. I like both almost the same. One thing you didn't cover if I'm not mistaken is handlebars. Which are more comfortable / better for handling, Harley's apes or BMW's sort-of wide mini apes?
I’ve owned both brands and have found owners are very brand loyal...currently I own a BMW R1200RT. This review was quite good because it was even handed and didn’t play into brand loyalty...it just dealt with the bikes. Well done.
Wanted the R18, bought the Harley today, first ride, is amazing. Reasons: 1. riding position - less engine in the way, 2. noise - no great range of exhausts as yet from BMW, 3. price - better price by 4k almost, 4. amount of extras - much more with Harley, 5. sense of community - BMW is great for my GS not sure for cruisers, 6. gut feel - loved the look of the R18 but the use of word segment in all their videos made me feel it was really a blatant marketing exercise whereas the Harley is more real. May buy the R18 too....
No doubt at all The Amazing BMW R18 it's one of my favorite Motorcycles but definitevily I stand with the majestic Harley Davidson which has always been my favorite Motorcycle!, Good video, Thanks for sharing!!!
Enjoy your reviews. Thank you. Just subscribed. I have a question about wind buffeting and vibration in the bars. How do you compare them? For context, I like taking long trips in the US. Big touring bikes with engine character from Harley and Indian are fine on the highway, but not so great once you get where you were going. And better-handling touring bikes such as BMW's RT or the new Wing, lack character to delight you along the way. What should be the perfect bikes for my need, the Heritage, has terrible buffeting at highway speeds and leaves my hands numb on a long ride. (Older Harleys and rubber-mounted Harleys don't have that effect on me.) So I was wondering whether you noticed a difference between the two in this regard.
Thanks and welcome aboard! The Heritage certainly buffets at 70mph and you can duck down to get out of it. The R 18 has a small screen so you do get it somewhat on that too but I reckon the new touring models would be better in that respect. The Harley Limited or CVO Limited is really nice at speed and I found no wind buffeting.
Can you explain to me how you managed to get the Harley to "fall over" considering it has a side stand that locks which keeps the bike from moving forward or back once you lean the bike all the way onto the stand?
The Softail stand foot doesn’t scoop up, so if there’s any crack or ridge in the ground, the foot stops sliding out and the bike leans over onto the stand spring. Then you walk away and watch it tip over. If you search for it on TH-cam, many people have had the issue. Million Dollar Bogan also dropped his CVO because of the vague stand.
Oh man, fantastic video! Good job being extremely objective on all those points, agreed 100%. I found the mention of the short fenders extremely on point, I traded my 2019 Heritage for a Low Rider S and the short fairing is just for looks, the oil cooling panel gets sooooo dirty. Oh I also loved the last mention about the symmetry of the bike, I thought that was a very good point and I didn’t think about that until you mentioned it
@@travelinben1966 A lot of owners have said this is because the rear preload on the bikes is not being adjusted before bikes are given to the press and customers and they are effectively riding them in transport mode. Adjusting properly for rider weight seems to eliminate a lot of the scraping 👍🏻
There was a comparison video done by Motorcyclist between the R18, Street Glide, and Indian Chief. Very interesting. The stand out for the BMW is the fit and finish and how the bike is put together. They said they thought HD was great until the BMW showed them how good it can get. Something else to consider is engine heat. It’s actually worse on the Harley bc of the rear cylinder running hotter and the exhaust pipe being next to your leg. The BMW cylinders and exhaust headers are in the wind and cool better.
honda goldwing has reverse, out of those two i would have to go with the HD i just cant get over the cylinders sticking out like that, i can't stand mid controls, my legs cramp up.
I understand comparing the two but for me the Road King Classic (although the Classic is no longer available I think 😞) out-classes both. Similar lean angle to the R18, more than the Heritage, bigger tank (22.7 ltr) fly-by-wire and with a fuelpak perfectly tuneable whatever the situation or changes, belt drive so zero maintenance and lasts forever. Such a comfortable seat and position, I do four hours riding before I need a break and styling that warms the cockles of a classic bike lover like myself but with all mod cons, cruise, ABS (inc cornering on newer ones, mine’s a 2010) detachable everything, clear big screen (not for me), backrest Inc rider and rack. Twin discs up front. Perfect blend of classic styling and modern ease, I wouldn’t swap even for a new Heritage or R18. Cons- I ride the ‘twisties’ a lot so cornering without too much plate-scrape is challenging and makes for some interesting riding style (I like a challenge) and I wear through tyres quickly. Being tied to the dealer takes getting used to, only they can do anything with the ABS system but bikes older than 5 years get 25% discount on parts and labour so it works out ok and I think BMW would be the same cars or bikes. A bike for people who like to ride and makes anywhere a photo opportunity.
Which one would you recommend to 198cm guy? I tried Heritage Classic and was quite roomy, I dont know how would R18 feel with my long legs because of that boxer engine 😅
The R18 is a bigger bike (longer) but the Heritage Classic has the forward controls for a less bent knee angle. I’ve now got a R18 and find it perfectly good. I’m about 5.5 cm shorter than you
I try not to bash Harleys as I own 5 of them but the R18s, especially the Transcontinental, are amazing bikes. I have maintained many Harleys and quite a few R18s at my garage and I would say BMW has Harley trumped in the quality department, and I've noticed less over all maintenance is required for the R18s in particular, especially so with the bagger and the Transcontinental. The R18s also fair the higher distance trips way better here in Australia, Harleys just shake themselves apart from what I've experienced. To counter on a few of the comments made in the video. The one about the Harleys gearbox isn't correct, most of the boxes i've serviced are just not finished to the standard of the R18, i wouldn't call it a characteristic like the sideways roll of the R18 is, more of a lower standard of fit and finish and honesty not a great architecture. The riding position of the R18 is much better for your body posture, control of the bike and keeps you more at attention when doing long trips. I just stop and have a walk when my legs get tired, I've had all sorts of stirrups/highway bars and the bars for the R18 cylinder and it doesn't make a difference in the long run, just get of the bike, stretch yourself out and check out the scenery like you should do on a long ride. A little tuning eliminates the sluggishness of the R18 and when you add some forced induction to them they become an absolute animal, all while looking a stunning bike. Just as a few comments. Other land going mammals out in the wild love the R18 more than any Harley ive been on from my time out riding, I will always get questions about it and have people taking photos of/with it, thumbs up at traffic lights, I've even had times where people have parked me in nice spots out the front of restaurants/cafes, even in a foyer once, just so people could look at it, I sh*t you not, and females like it better than any Harley I've been on, period. Blokes approach me way more on the Harleys, which is something to think about. One last thing, ive done the Highway 1 in Australia on a R18 Transcontinental, a Ultra Limited and a Road Glide Ultra and so far the Transcontinental will be the one i take on the next holiday, I love my Harleys but BMW made a cracking bike with this one, a genuinely stellar bit of kit.
I can honestly say I don’t know which would be the better bike. While I don’t like the look of the flat twin, HD has some issues as well. I’d probably give a slight edge to the Harley simply because it has a fuel gauge, which isn’t a difficult thing to add the BMW. Great review as always.
O'l Man: Having owned both the Heritage Classic and now the BMW R18, which one would you keep if you had to choose? I’m 6 ft, 4 inches tall with a 34-inch inseam, and weigh about 16 stone. So just a bit taller than the Ol’ Man, and about the same age. I’d be very grateful for your thoughts on the two bikes, now that you’ve spent a lot of time on both.
They are both excellent bikes. Having had 3 Harleys I am enjoying the change, so at the moment the R18. Plus its got reverse, its longer it’s different.
I pick the BMW completely! The Harley to me is the same old same old. The BMW is old style and new technology. Thanks for your very informative videos! Nice Job!
At 8:48 you forgot to mention the Goldwing with its electric reverse I think since 2001. The first thing for me would be to find a more suitable front fender and have it painted to match so I didn't have to constantly be cleaning the front of that beautiful engine and the oil cooler in particular. A backrest and perhaps a leather style top box, a larger windscreen and now you have a winner.
Great review fellows! And not being partial to either one was refreshing. Haven’t rode the BMW yet, hopefully they’ll be at Daytona Bike Week next week so I can give it a spin. Already own a Heritage 114 so I know that bike inside out. Will keep you posted on my thoughts!
Great video guys! Have you guys experienced the low road clearance of the R18? In other words, did you drag pegs on the road? If so, how did the bike react? Did that make you feel unsafe? Thanks in advance!
Just saw the BMW. I have been thinking about getting a cruiser again. I was leaning towards the Challenger but just sat on the R18 classic and it felt very comfortable. Didn't get a chance to ride it though. The bike feels very practical in person.
I had a BMW R Cruiser several years ago and I liked it. Was a lot of fun. I now currently own the 2018 HD Heritage like the one here. I love this bike. I've done a few things to it in past 3 years such as pipes and changed some things such as the mirrors. Its great for me, was going to get the Road King but opted for the Heritage and I really like its lighter weight and has great handling for what it is. Where I live if I go south, its all hills and if I go east, its straight road and this bike is great for both.
Great video. I decided on the Heritage 114 and have had almost a week now and love it. My wife, on the hates it. She is extremely uncomfortable as a passenger. Wish this was covered in your comparison. Any suggestions are appreciated!
Couldn’t get the wife on the back of mine as she was too scared! I think the rear seat is rather comfy on the heritage, if she doesn’t agree you could get a comfier rear seat but perhaps this would impair looks somewhat.
As an owner of a Heritage and a Road King, I would have to agree with FLHFD. Not being able to stretch your legs out would be a game changer for me so H-D all day long, no contest. Great content as ever chaps!
We do not need the chassis of the bmw r18 and the V- Twin HD engine at the end of this show, but they are perfect what they are. The two great motorrad companies made the two amazing beasts on two wheels and that is great! Good job!
I’m a convert from HD to an R18 (bought it about a month back her in SoCal). The handling of the R18 is what did it for me , but it definitely is a potato vs potatoe decision. Great review guys!
@@MrDarcy-OlMan 600 miles in (it’s my daily rider), just dropped it off for its break-in service. So far I couldn’t be happier, it’s everything an HD / Indian is but has better handling , a bit of German refinement and that engine is always a conversation starter.
@@duosable I would like to thank everyone's perspectives. At present time I own three bikes that absolutely love. The last three of 85 in my lifetime. I M 70 yrs young. My humble take on the comparisons; I have owned 38 BMWs. Now have the Classic First Edition R18, the 1250 BMW GSA. And my 2010 Roadking. Owned three new Heritages and three Road Kings. An 18 Street Glide 107 cu in. I mention this for the right to speak out on behalf of these bikes. The personal character of a person spills over on the character of the chosen personalized motorbikes. The R18 has the heritage of our old boxers plus the evolution of the marque. Nothing like it!!! Its in a class by itself. All things considered; a masterpiece that took from any achievements of others and put it all with the craftmanship of its unparalelled engineering. With a few add ons it can be comfortable as a Road King. Which is more at higher speeds than its sister the heritage. Its about personal taste...earned by yrs and hundreds of miles on these iron horses. Bottom line: lets respect and give credit where it is due. Ride your passion. If it is on two wheels..you elevate it to the max. Twins have the best character! They beat more like our hearts. Love the ride you live on and live to ride what you love!
Enjoyed the comparison, like the look of both, however this ole long legged country boy is addicted to forward controls and stretching my legs out on the crash bar with highway pegs on a long sunny day of riding. thanks...
When I rode the R18 last October and compared it to my Softail Deluxe, the very last of the Twin cams (which I preferred to the newer M8 version), I found the Harley brakes much better than on the R18. Maybe because HD used Brembo brakes on the last of the twin cams Softail's. You can use one finger braking on the Deluxe and these provide the best brakes I have ever used on any Harley.
@@jroberthadden There could have been something wrong with the brakes on the R18 I rode. The Missenden Flyer rode the same bike as I did and also commented about the front brakes. I told the sales guy at Barnstormer that he might want to get the front brake checked as it felt like there was air in the system. Never heard back from them. Not bothered either way as I found my Deluxe a much better motorcycle and if anything I would want a lighter bike, not an even heavier one...
Love the Retro 1940's look of the Harley Davidson Heritage....The BMW R-18 looks more like an official Police Bike a bit bulky...Both are great bikes..... but, Definitely like the Harley Davidson Heritage 114 Best ✔️✔️✔️
Just stumbled across your channel and subscribed all the way from West Aus.. love the content. If you haven’t already I would possibly suggest reviewing the BMW k1600 Bagger.. inline 6 engine. You’ll love it.
Both beautiful machines. I sat on the BMW and felt I could ride it for a short distance or time, but my leg position would require me to get off and stretch at regular intervals. I need to get my feet forward. Great to have more competition as it drives innovation. Thanks for posting.
Another good video! I think I am in the R 18 camp, but I haven't ridden one. All comes down to individual preferences. Can't always sort that sort of thing out in advance. If we could, I wouldn't have an ex-wife. Yeah, if only she had known!
I'd have the Beemer based almost entirely on the look and sound. The HD is a good looking bike with a great sound but that big boxer is a work of art and some slightly louder pipes on it would let it sing.
Great video. I really like the reverse on the BMW. My '01 Goldwing had it. I like the look of the BMW, but I will be keeping my Ultra Classic with dual front discs and tubeless tires. From Canada.
I dig that BMW. Harleys are everywhere here in the states. Get a Heritage and you will see several others on your ride. The Beemer? Probably won’t see on other one in several months if ever. So there is a built in uniqueness to the beemer that you just don’t get with the Harley.
I’ve just bought one after 6 HD’s. Much better put together and more rider options… hill start, reverse, radar cruise control, heated grips etc etc. Most HD’s don’t come with any of these and those options that do you have to upgrade $$$.
When showing the footage of riding each bike, The View over the handlebars on both of them is almost the same. Meaning, on the Harley windshield, the black paint does reduce some visibility however on the BMW the Triple Tree, risers and handlebar Junction is so high that it almost blocks Vision at the same point the paint on the Harley windshield does
Great review and not one sided either which was nice. I think BMW really brought something to the table and I’m very impressed. I don’t think you could go wrong with either. I myself own the HD.
Where did the BMW get point 2? And why are three modes, only one of which delivers power linearly (correctly) better than one mode that delivers power linearly? I don't think the Heritage needs a reverse and I've only got one good leg, but that is something HD should do on their touring bikes.
The dial on the BMW is better; more stylish, neater, better quality, easier to read, and in a better position. If you look at the throttle response graph on the standard Heritage Classic it’s very progressive and you only get 90% or 95 % at full twist at higher rpm if memory serves me correctly
@@MrDarcy-OlMan The dial doesn't bother me on the HDs, but I agree, the handlebar is the place for a quick glance and people who want to fiddle with it. I missed the part about the dual discs. My bad. Not sure what you mean by 90%? What I am referring to is that modes deliver the power in non linear ways. IOW, instead of cracking the throttle 5% and getting an equivalent 5% dollop of power, in Rain mode you might get 1% and in Sport mode you might get 10%. They all typically make the same peak power, so in the middle of the range a 5% twist will give you more in Rain mode and less in Sport mode. It's essentially like putting a cam on a throttle cable. If the throttle is mapped linearly, it can't be mapped any better. If you want 10% power off the line then simply twist it 10%. If you want 1%, twist 1%. Kids love gizmos, but a jerky throttle ain't gonna make them a better rider. Being quick is all about being smooth.
@@saddle8bag The Harley Davidson mapping isn’t 1:1 though. If you download the Vance & Hines app which comes with the tuner (free download even if you don’t have the exhaust), you can see the throttle to engine ratios. At low rpm for example, a half twist doesn’t give you a half open butterfly.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan You're making the assumption that the butterfly is equivalent to the power produced. Engines are not necessarily linearly power efficient over the rpm range. IOW, they may require little fuel air at low rpm, but a ton more at higher rpm to produce a 45 degree angle power delivery. Think about coming into a corner about 4k rpm and closing the throttle. The engine doesn't immediately stop spinning. If it's mapped well, one can gracefully transition between some throttle to no throttle and back to some throttle. If it get's mapped to give some kid a thrill of yanking his head back when he opens the throttle, it won't be very graceful or fun to ride IMHO. I have a sport mode on my Triumph and the only time it's worth using is if its really hot out. That deprives it of enough power that it quits jerking around. Meanwhile, my Road King has but one mode and it is perfection.
The BMW shaft drive is trouble free if properly maintained. The Harley m8 is a great platform to work off of and blueprinting the motor with after market parts would bring it up the BMW level of quality.
And therin lies the problem. The Beemer engine from the factory has superior engineering. A forged steel crank supported by three main bearings makes the engine bulletproof. I like the fact that with proper maintenance, this engine should go hundreds of thousands of miles. Things like valve adjustments on this engine should be a breeze. I like the Harley sound. Just not impressed with the engineering and manufacturing.
R18 for me all day long , shaft drive no costly belt change bigger service intervals and much cheaper to service (less to do ) better build quality and not built in India as per Harley and I think it's stunning .
Honda should make a Goldwing wuith a similar sized windshield to the one on the Heritage. Clip on, clip off. Not everyone needs a full sized fairing, radio etc. The motor on the Goldwing is superb.
In BMW they have come up with a nice engine, with 68cc less it manages to have slightly higher torque and power values (not that they make a difference). As a motorcycle itself, I prefer the Heritage though. Thanks for the video
@@MrDarcy-OlMan In your opinion Harley Davidson shouldn't "wake up" and launch a range (in 1 or 2 families) of 700 to 1200cc motorcycles to win over the young people?
Great review as always. I had a 2007 Heritage Softtail Classic. I loved it but it got to hard to move around. I got older. Reverse was definitely needed. I sold it for a 2016 Bonneville T120. Great bike! I want another cruiser and I’d choose the BMW, mostly for something different. I also had a BMW F650GS. Great too! All are high quality.
Thanks for the informative video. Well done! I 've owned three boxers. I currently ride a 2001 road king. Occasionally visit a Harley dealership but have yet to be willing to trade in my road king for any of the new Harleys. But the R18 is very tempting. I think an R18 with a springer front end would look awesome.
Great review guys, thanks! But I would love to see a comparison with a european 2 cylinder cruiser, with 3 riding modes, cruise control, abs, shaft drive, made by a company that has been around since 1921 and oozes character. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, look south of the alpes, on the shores of a very famous lake.
I just took a 2021 R18 Classic on a 140km test ride. I absolutely loved how it handled and felt on the highway. It got up to road speeds quickly, and made passing speeds so well.
I think I found my next bike.
Excellent. There’s nothing like them 💯
The BMW R 18 is a piece of Motorcycle Art with that Boxer engine, the Cardanic transmission, the level of attention to every detail and the fact that is something new and different from the rest on the market.
Absolutely. It is unique and very special indeed 💯
I love your reviews, guys. Thank you. I like the R18 much more - just for the looks and German attention to detail. When you see the R18 in person you can't stop looking at it. Harley looks good, but it is "just a Harley", if you know what I mean. :)
Thank you and yes the Ol Man agrees 💯 percent as he owns an R18 👍🏼
As a BMW rider, IDK. THere are ways I think the R18 falls short. I'd like a R18 that is more like a Road King than Heritage. Hard lockable bags, bigger tank, better seat, bigger windscreen.
OK I see where you’re coming from. It’s really a cruiser with touring ability than a tourer
Great job, gentlemen! The forward controls make the choice for me. Being able to relax my knees and stretch out a bit is one of the benefits of a traditional cruiser/weekender. Top review of both!
Thanks buddy 💯👍🏼 Yes we get you there
Two years after watching this, then riding both, very pleased with my decision to purchase the R18 Classic. 👌 Thank you Mr. Darcy & The Ol' Man. 🤙
Awesome,it is a wonderful motorbike 👍🏼
I like the comparison style you used here on this episode, please keep it up. Another great review lads, so far every one's a winner, many thanks
Thanks Rotax. We wanted to be completely objective
Just picked up a 2021 first edition. Its brilliant! I ride a 1200 GSA as well so the huge cylinders sticking out the sides is not a huge deal. Thank you for this review and keep up the great work. Cheers from Alaska
Awesome! Every mile’s a smile!
Hi guys, this is the video I've been waiting for and boy was it worth it. I’m so glad they were pitched evenly, as you know i have an R18 which i love and don’t think i could ever part with it and i have a Harley being delivered this Wednesday (street Bob 2021) so like you ....i love Chinese and Indian food.
Many thanks and kind regards.
Thanks buddy! 💯👍🏼
I’d pick the R18. I prefer mid controls. Forwards tend to put a lot of pressure on my tailbone and are harder to weight the pegs when turning or to lift out of the seat over big bumps. I do have highway pegs on the crash bar of my GS, so I can have a forward position even with the boxer engine. However, I’d say 90% of the time, I have my feet on the mid pegs and only use the highway pegs to stretch occasionally on long highway sections. I never use them on backroads.
Yes there’s a lot to be said for mid controls 👍🏼
The footboards on the Heritage aren't out too far forward. I'm 5'8" and they are positioned near perfect for me. You can move your feet five or six inches fore or aft.
Picking up the R 18 Classic next week. Been riding a Heritage Springer for the past 5 years. Looking forward to having reverse, and better front end control. No gas gage may be an adjustment. Will need to watch my kms, or hope for a reset at the very least.
I have demo ridden both of these. (The BMW that I rode was the initial model released) I really liked both. I would need a few hundred miles in the saddle to make my determination of which I would rather live with, especially considering the $$$$. I have owned a few big twin Harleys and the Heritage was a more familiar feel for me and it fits perfectly. The Heritage seemed to have a slightly lighter handling feel and the front end on the Bimmer seemed more planted and substantial. I was able to ride both on a mountain road and was equally impressed. Both were solid machines. A side by side fourth or fifth gear roll on would have been an interesting comparison to see which would pull away from the other. Several times, you mentioned that H-D should offer a bike between the Heritage and the Breakout which might compare more closely to this R18. I might suggest that the Road King might be that bike, although it does not have the hidden suspension. I agree with your assessment on the front brakes. You gave a point to the R18 for having riding modes where the Heritage had none. I can see that view. However technology, to some of us, is just an add on that we'd rather not have to deal with or pay for. (I'm not crazy about throttle by wire or keyless ignitions, either) I have owned and ridden several bikes with anti lock brakes and rider modes. I'm a simple guy and I prefer being 100% in charge of traction and braking. By the way, these two motorcycles are in my top five list of new bikes at the present time. I always enjoy your reviews. Keep 'em coming.
Thanks buddy. As the Harley is ride-by-wire and in a fixed mode we gave it to the R18. The Touring chassis on the Harleys gives a very different ride in our opinion so that’s why we didn’t put them in the same place.
Thanks for your support 👍🏼👍🏼
We would love to have ridden them side-by-side but because of the Nanny State motorcycle licensing laws in the UK, Darcy can’t ride one for another 2-3 years!
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Because of his age, or riding years? That's interesting. I grew up in Illinois (a looonng time ago) and we weren't allowed to ride anything over 150cc until we were 18. I don't know if that's still the situation there since I've been out here in Wyoming for 42 years.
@@jroberthadden we have a compulsory progressive licensing system here that basically stops 99% of people riding at all. Most just wait till they’re 24 and do an intensive course
@@MrDarcy-OlMan So most of the youngsters don't get any practical riding experience until they're 24? Wow, I did not know that. What a shame. I have taken three Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, including the instructor course. I believe that the ONLY way to become road worthy is to have practical road experience. Even if it's on smaller bikes. So, if I'm understanding you, young riders may only ride smaller, or less powerful, bikes until they're 24, then they are automatically able to move up? I can see how that could discourage many from riding at all. Many times, when a person gets to that ripe old age, they are starting careers and families which, itself, limits many of them in buying motorcycles.
@@jroberthadden it’s really complicated to explain. Here’s a video we did on it th-cam.com/video/Jccnm_SH9dU/w-d-xo.html
I test rode a Softail, Street Glide, and Road King and went with a 22 BMW R 18 B. Absolutely love it. It's the best thought out bike I've ever ridden. Fast up to 90, sounds great, brilliant cruise control, headlights, heated seat and grips, hill assist, reverse, abs and traction control. I love Harley's too, but for me the BMW is where it is at. Instant classic. I read most of the reviews of the BMW before the test ride and was very pleasantly surprised. IMHO, some of the problem with the reviews, not this one, is that they are asking people that think cruisers are stupid what they think of them. Or people that say any cruiser that's not a Harley is an imposter.
Yes very good points! I agree. I bought a BMW R 18 for those reasons. It’s tremendous 💯
I have tried both models and i went with the R18. The unique looks and the 3 modes engine makes me decide on that side
Excellent! We’ve got a new video about the R18 coming tomorrow 👌🏼
I own a 2020 Harley Low S. I considered the Heritage Classic after I bought the Low Rider S, haha. But I do love my LRS. I made some changes to my LRS such as crash bars, a saddleman step up seat, 10 inch handle bar riser with 2 inch pull back (I used the stock handle bars), viking saddle bags witj quick release, a Harley luggage rack with quick release sissy bar. Plan on adding passenger pegs and swapping out factory mufflers with Vance and Hines TWIN SLASH 3″ SLIP-ONS.I also took off the factory front and replaced it with a 18 inch wind shield. In hind sight I should have bought the saddleman Explorer Seat instead of the Step seat for added comfort.
Great review guys 👍🏻 The Breakout is still available as a 2021 model though here in the UK and elsewhere. If you were buying a bike now and depreciation on the Harley wasn’t a consideration would you choose the R18 or would you choose the Heritage?
Thanks Alex. All things considered and with the novelty value of something different aside, I’d go for the Heritage Classic.
The Heritage, there are a few 2020 unregistered bikes available, 18 to 19k gets you one, new bike is to order only, 21k for 21 model. BMW from 23k has further to drop generally. Picked up my Heritage today to go with my GSA 1250...
I chose the most beautiful one. R18 Frist Edition. Thank you for the interesting comparison. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Hans 💯👍🏼
Great video guys...love your videos...very straightforward...well paced...good quality camera and remind me of myself and my oul man!
Thanks so much!
I prefer the BMW but that is a subjective opinion. What isn't a subjective opinion is that this is a great mc channel. That is simply a fact!
Thanks buddy! That’s the thing about so many motorbikes; and the reason we often turn what we think is a negative into a positive
Nice review. I think a Road King would have been a better comparison though. BMW & HD are both making great cruisers.
The impartial nature of your review is refreshing and entertaining. Is there much difference in stopping performance of the two bikes?
Thanks Barry. Not really tbh. The R18 with double discs is just a bit better
@@MrDarcy-OlMan On paper, but in a real road test - I mean with a day's road riding, the Harley stopped better, also the HD was more comfortable and the BMW showered sparks easier on the corners... where is the objectivity with no highway riding for a whole day? Oh, and the Honda Gold Wing has reverse gear - another heavy cruiser.
@@RE650NZGraeme we better get you to do it next time bud
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Your reviews are different to the rest and use a specific list of objective comparisons and there are weights and balances, so overall it is another way of looking at the task, but I also ask other reviewers to include parameters in their specific list of objectives that assist with their measure, TMF for one :) Keep it up guys!
Thanks buddy. We did individual reviews of the bikes in more detail but this is better viewed after seeing the individual reviews first. 👍🏼👍🏼
Great great comparison!!! Thanks for that. It is great to see them back to back. Excellent gentlemen!
Thanks Maxi 💯👍🏼
Great job fellas, I would like to know, which bike has less cornering clearance? Which touches down first? Boards or pegs. And which would the Old Man choose to ride on a tour for a couple weeks holiday?
Cheers 👍👍👍
Thanks buddy. I reckon the Heritage Classic has a bit more cornering clearance. I would actually go for the R 18 for longer tours because the riding position is more comfortable (despite no forward controls).
Thank you for the video. I hesitated (a little) between the two, and I just ordered ... a Heritage.
My main reasons :
- Impossibility of moving the legs on the R18,
- Zero rear suspension of the R18,
- Look of the Heritage without the saddlebags and windshield
OK interesting to hear your decision making process. Thanks buddy 👍🏼 Enjoy the Harley!
I am a BMW1200GSA rider and am considering to buy a 2nd bike in the next year. At first I would go for the HD just to have "something" else, but 2 things certainly have made my choice lean more towards the BMW, and that is the reverse gear possibility and the dual front disk breaks. I am so used to these breaks with my GSA, that it would kind of hard to get used to a single front disk break. Thanks for the review! I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work and ride safe!!!
Thanks Kim. Hopefully we have made your decision easier 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan certainly!! I am also watching now your other video’s. Great work!!
@@kimvanuytsel8462 also possible to put a reverse gear on the Harley
Yes we also think it won’t be too long before Harley offer it as an option
Long time Harley and Guzzi owner in the past but today I'd go for the BMW. Something about literally strapping yourself onto what looks and sounds like a BMW aircraft radial engine from the war is extremely appealing. Plus the custom ability for something completely different to anything else. Couldn't care less about a fuel gauge, that's what the trip odometer is for. Great review, subbed.
Thanks buddy. Yes it’s a unique and very appealing motorcycle 💯
Great video guys. I like both almost the same. One thing you didn't cover if I'm not mistaken is handlebars. Which are more comfortable / better for handling, Harley's apes or BMW's sort-of wide mini apes?
Yes many things are subjective, handlebars included. The BMW bars are actually more comfortable but then someone will swear by apehangers.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Yeah I think those apes would be too tall for my fairly short arms. But they would be great for taller people.
I'm just getting my BMW Classic tomorrow!!!! it is so beautiful.. a piece of art.!!!!
Love the throwback design to BMW's heritage in the R18. I do like the look of the Harley better. Great vids :)
Thanks buddy. It’s going to go 50:50 with the public vote we think
I’ve owned both brands and have found owners are very brand loyal...currently I own a BMW R1200RT. This review was quite good because it was even handed and didn’t play into brand loyalty...it just dealt with the bikes. Well done.
Thanks Kent. Yes we are always objective 💯
Wanted the R18, bought the Harley today, first ride, is amazing. Reasons: 1. riding position - less engine in the way, 2. noise - no great range of exhausts as yet from BMW, 3. price - better price by 4k almost, 4. amount of extras - much more with Harley, 5. sense of community - BMW is great for my GS not sure for cruisers, 6. gut feel - loved the look of the R18 but the use of word segment in all their videos made me feel it was really a blatant marketing exercise whereas the Harley is more real. May buy the R18 too....
And BTW, epic video as ever guys, best on TH-cam for bikes....
OK we’ll considered Steve. Congratulations with the new bike! 💯
@@stevereilly Thanks! 😁💯
@@MrDarcy-OlMan It went back today, didn't have a fondness for changing down gear past 4th!
No doubt at all The Amazing BMW R18 it's one of my favorite Motorcycles but definitevily I stand with the majestic Harley Davidson which has always been my favorite Motorcycle!, Good video, Thanks for sharing!!!
Enjoy your reviews. Thank you. Just subscribed. I have a question about wind buffeting and vibration in the bars. How do you compare them? For context, I like taking long trips in the US. Big touring bikes with engine character from Harley and Indian are fine on the highway, but not so great once you get where you were going. And better-handling touring bikes such as BMW's RT or the new Wing, lack character to delight you along the way. What should be the perfect bikes for my need, the Heritage, has terrible buffeting at highway speeds and leaves my hands numb on a long ride. (Older Harleys and rubber-mounted Harleys don't have that effect on me.) So I was wondering whether you noticed a difference between the two in this regard.
Thanks and welcome aboard!
The Heritage certainly buffets at 70mph and you can duck down to get out of it. The R 18 has a small screen so you do get it somewhat on that too but I reckon the new touring models would be better in that respect. The Harley Limited or CVO Limited is really nice at speed and I found no wind buffeting.
Can you explain to me how you managed to get the Harley to "fall over" considering it has a side stand that locks which keeps the bike from moving forward or back once you lean the bike all the way onto the stand?
The Softail stand foot doesn’t scoop up, so if there’s any crack or ridge in the ground, the foot stops sliding out and the bike leans over onto the stand spring. Then you walk away and watch it tip over. If you search for it on TH-cam, many people have had the issue. Million Dollar Bogan also dropped his CVO because of the vague stand.
Oh man, fantastic video! Good job being extremely objective on all those points, agreed 100%. I found the mention of the short fenders extremely on point, I traded my 2019 Heritage for a Low Rider S and the short fairing is just for looks, the oil cooling panel gets sooooo dirty.
Oh I also loved the last mention about the symmetry of the bike, I thought that was a very good point and I didn’t think about that until you mentioned it
Thanks buddy! We’re glad you’re on the same wavelength 👍🏼💯
I'll take the HD.Aesthetically more pleasing to my eyes.I've heard that the R18 is prone to much peg scraping too,which puts me off.
OK bro. The peg scraping is no more than any other cruiser. It’s more that the other reviewers expect it to be a Fireblade in the corners
@@MrDarcy-OlMan
Thank you for that.👍👍
@@travelinben1966 A lot of owners have said this is because the rear preload on the bikes is not being adjusted before bikes are given to the press and customers and they are effectively riding them in transport mode. Adjusting properly for rider weight seems to eliminate a lot of the scraping 👍🏻
@@beatts101 well that's a new one. I like it, cheers. 😂🤣
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Thank you for that information.I would have definitely ruled out the R18 had you not pointed that out.
There was a comparison video done by Motorcyclist between the R18, Street Glide, and Indian Chief. Very interesting. The stand out for the BMW is the fit and finish and how the bike is put together. They said they thought HD was great until the BMW showed them how good it can get. Something else to consider is engine heat. It’s actually worse on the Harley bc of the rear cylinder running hotter and the exhaust pipe being next to your leg. The BMW cylinders and exhaust headers are in the wind and cool better.
Yes absolutely right
honda goldwing has reverse, out of those two i would have to go with the HD i just cant get over the cylinders sticking out like that, i can't stand mid controls, my legs cramp up.
Forgot to mention, excellent comparison and points! To solve left side view problem for my fxbb i bought a swing arm bag😅
Good stuff! Thank you!
Could you please make a vedio for Bmw R18 Clasic Vs Bmw Grand America
Difficult to set up tbh
I understand comparing the two but for me the Road King Classic (although the Classic is no longer available I think 😞) out-classes both.
Similar lean angle to the R18, more than the Heritage, bigger tank (22.7 ltr) fly-by-wire and with a fuelpak perfectly tuneable whatever the situation or changes, belt drive so zero maintenance and lasts forever.
Such a comfortable seat and position, I do four hours riding before I need a break and styling that warms the cockles of a classic bike lover like myself but with all mod cons, cruise, ABS (inc cornering on newer ones, mine’s a 2010) detachable everything, clear big screen (not for me), backrest Inc rider and rack.
Twin discs up front.
Perfect blend of classic styling and modern ease, I wouldn’t swap even for a new Heritage or R18.
Cons- I ride the ‘twisties’ a lot so cornering without too much plate-scrape is challenging and makes for some interesting riding style (I like a challenge) and I wear through tyres quickly.
Being tied to the dealer takes getting used to, only they can do anything with the ABS system but bikes older than 5 years get 25% discount on parts and labour so it works out ok and I think BMW would be the same cars or bikes.
A bike for people who like to ride and makes anywhere a photo opportunity.
Just watched video again . The bmw is stunning and the finish on it is so beautiful
Yes it’s Rolls Royce 💯
I thought maybe the HD would win the suspension compare, it has 4.4” rear travel vs. BMW’s 3.5”. But I have never ridden either.
They seem very equal in feel 👍🏼
I love the art deco style of the BMW but that Harley Davidson engine is a piece of art.
Yes true 👍🏼
Just remember that beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clear through to the bone. 😎
Which one would you recommend to 198cm guy? I tried Heritage Classic and was quite roomy, I dont know how would R18 feel with my long legs because of that boxer engine 😅
The R18 is a bigger bike (longer) but the Heritage Classic has the forward controls for a less bent knee angle. I’ve now got a R18 and find it perfectly good. I’m about 5.5 cm shorter than you
@@MrDarcy-OlMan thanks!
I try not to bash Harleys as I own 5 of them but the R18s, especially the Transcontinental, are amazing bikes.
I have maintained many Harleys and quite a few R18s at my garage and I would say BMW has Harley trumped in the quality department, and I've noticed less over all maintenance is required for the R18s in particular, especially so with the bagger and the Transcontinental. The R18s also fair the higher distance trips way better here in Australia, Harleys just shake themselves apart from what I've experienced.
To counter on a few of the comments made in the video. The one about the Harleys gearbox isn't correct, most of the boxes i've serviced are just not finished to the standard of the R18, i wouldn't call it a characteristic like the sideways roll of the R18 is, more of a lower standard of fit and finish and honesty not a great architecture.
The riding position of the R18 is much better for your body posture, control of the bike and keeps you more at attention when doing long trips. I just stop and have a walk when my legs get tired, I've had all sorts of stirrups/highway bars and the bars for the R18 cylinder and it doesn't make a difference in the long run, just get of the bike, stretch yourself out and check out the scenery like you should do on a long ride.
A little tuning eliminates the sluggishness of the R18 and when you add some forced induction to them they become an absolute animal, all while looking a stunning bike.
Just as a few comments. Other land going mammals out in the wild love the R18 more than any Harley ive been on from my time out riding, I will always get questions about it and have people taking photos of/with it, thumbs up at traffic lights, I've even had times where people have parked me in nice spots out the front of restaurants/cafes, even in a foyer once, just so people could look at it, I sh*t you not, and females like it better than any Harley I've been on, period.
Blokes approach me way more on the Harleys, which is something to think about.
One last thing, ive done the Highway 1 in Australia on a R18 Transcontinental, a Ultra Limited and a Road Glide Ultra and so far the Transcontinental will be the one i take on the next holiday, I love my Harleys but BMW made a cracking bike with this one, a genuinely stellar bit of kit.
I can honestly say I don’t know which would be the better bike. While I don’t like the look of the flat twin, HD has some issues as well. I’d probably give a slight edge to the Harley simply because it has a fuel gauge, which isn’t a difficult thing to add the BMW. Great review as always.
Thanks buddy. They really are closely matched and both satisfy your soul 👍🏼
O'l Man: Having owned both the Heritage Classic and now the BMW R18, which one would you keep if you had to choose? I’m 6 ft, 4 inches tall with a 34-inch inseam, and weigh about 16 stone. So just a bit taller than the Ol’ Man, and about the same age. I’d be very grateful for your thoughts on the two bikes, now that you’ve spent a lot of time on both.
They are both excellent bikes. Having had 3 Harleys I am enjoying the change, so at the moment the R18. Plus its got reverse, its longer it’s different.
You didn’t mention the R18 adaptive headlights and cruise control.
Yes and that 👍🏼
I pick the BMW completely!
The Harley to me is the same old same old.
The BMW is old style and new technology.
Thanks for your very informative videos!
Nice Job!
Thanks buddy! Both awesome BMW has something special for sure
At 8:48 you forgot to mention the Goldwing with its electric reverse I think since 2001. The first thing for me would be to find a more suitable front fender and have it painted to match so I didn't have to constantly be cleaning the front of that beautiful engine and the oil cooler in particular. A backrest and perhaps a leather style top box, a larger windscreen and now you have a winner.
Yes we forgot about the Goldwing. Yes agreed about the fender
Great review fellows! And not being partial to either one was refreshing. Haven’t rode the BMW yet, hopefully they’ll be at Daytona Bike Week next week so I can give it a spin. Already own a Heritage 114 so I know that bike inside out. Will keep you posted on my thoughts!
Thanks buddy. Awesome hopefully you can get a ride on one 🤞
Great video guys! Have you guys experienced the low road clearance of the R18? In other words, did you drag pegs on the road? If so, how did the bike react? Did that make you feel unsafe? Thanks in advance!
To be honest we never scraped the pegs. I think some reviewers don’t ride a cruiser like a cruiser.
Just saw the BMW. I have been thinking about getting a cruiser again. I was leaning towards the Challenger but just sat on the R18 classic and it felt very comfortable. Didn't get a chance to ride it though. The bike feels very practical in person.
We really like the R 18 👍🏼
I had a BMW R Cruiser several years ago and I liked it. Was a lot of fun. I now currently own the 2018 HD Heritage like the one here. I love this bike. I've done a few things to it in past 3 years such as pipes and changed some things such as the mirrors. Its great for me, was going to get the Road King but opted for the Heritage and I really like its lighter weight and has great handling for what it is. Where I live if I go south, its all hills and if I go east, its straight road and this bike is great for both.
Awesome. Ues the heritage Classic is a brilliant bike 💯
I too have a 2018harley Davidson heritage 114 and I love the bike except for the battery location
Great presentation would go for the Harley-Davidson Heritage
Thanks buddy! 👍🏼👍🏼
Great video. I decided on the Heritage 114 and have had almost a week now and love it.
My wife, on the hates it. She is extremely uncomfortable as a passenger. Wish this was covered in your comparison.
Any suggestions are appreciated!
Couldn’t get the wife on the back of mine as she was too scared! I think the rear seat is rather comfy on the heritage, if she doesn’t agree you could get a comfier rear seat but perhaps this would impair looks somewhat.
@More Rev 4U -A passenger backrest would help, as would putting an Airhawk seat pad on the passenger seat.
@@dougfielding8215 Get a Corbin Dual Tour. Very comfortable for the passenger. Especially the heated version.
Overall cost of ownership should be compared. Durability and reliability are major factors.
That’s hard to establish without having both bikes for a long period of time tbh
My, oh my! Does the name "Road King" ring a bell? Dual discs, big clear screen, big tank, roomy seat?
As an owner of a Heritage and a Road King, I would have to agree with FLHFD. Not being able to stretch your legs out would be a game changer for me so H-D all day long, no contest. Great content as ever chaps!
We did mention the road king
@@MrDarcy-OlMan My hearing and eyesight must be going then. I could have sworn you said Road GLIDE and showed a pic of a green one?
@@simonhickey8952 Sorry we had a very spicy curry and it’s messing with our minds! 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan No worries, happens to the best of us. However, if you like the Heritage, you'd love the Road King!
We do not need the chassis of the bmw r18 and the V- Twin HD engine at the end of this show, but they are perfect what they are. The two great motorrad companies made the two amazing beasts on two wheels and that is great! Good job!
Thanks buddy. Yes! 2 of the best 👍🏼
Which one is more strongly built? Frame thickness and build quality wise
They are both about the same id say. The BMW pips the Harley for quality (and the Harley is excellent)!
I’m a convert from HD to an R18 (bought it about a month back her in SoCal). The handling of the R18 is what did it for me , but it definitely is a potato vs potatoe decision. Great review guys!
Thanks buddy. How are you getting on with it?
@@MrDarcy-OlMan 600 miles in (it’s my daily rider), just dropped it off for its break-in service. So far I couldn’t be happier, it’s everything an HD / Indian is but has better handling , a bit of German refinement and that engine is always a conversation starter.
@@petersgw Awesome! Great to hear!
The handling of r18 is so unique because of the weight distribution. Like nothing else.
@@duosable I would like to thank everyone's perspectives. At present time I own three bikes that absolutely love. The last three of 85 in my lifetime. I M 70 yrs young. My humble take on the comparisons; I have owned 38 BMWs. Now have the Classic First Edition R18, the 1250 BMW GSA.
And my 2010 Roadking. Owned three new Heritages and three Road Kings. An 18 Street Glide 107 cu in. I mention this for the right to speak out on behalf of these bikes. The personal character of a person spills over on the character of the chosen personalized motorbikes. The R18 has the heritage of our old boxers plus the evolution of the marque. Nothing like it!!! Its in a class by itself. All things considered; a masterpiece that took from any achievements of others and put it all with the craftmanship of its unparalelled engineering. With a few add ons it can be comfortable as a Road King. Which is more at higher speeds than its sister the heritage. Its about personal taste...earned by yrs and hundreds of miles on these iron horses. Bottom line: lets respect and give credit where it is due. Ride your passion. If it is on two wheels..you elevate it to the max. Twins have the best character! They beat more like our hearts. Love the ride you live on and live to ride what you love!
Very nice videos. I would choose the bmw. Classier and the engine is simply fabulous.
Enjoyed the comparison, like the look of both, however this ole long legged country boy is addicted to forward controls and stretching my legs out on the crash bar with highway pegs on a long sunny day of riding. thanks...
Thanks buddy. Yes we know that feeling 👍🏼
There is an option to have a bar right above the cylinder heads for that purpose
@@sebastiangeorge7714 yes however those two boxer cylinders are very wide.
Both mechanical art on 2 wheels, both world class cruisers...decisions decisions🤔. Great comparison video👌
Greetings from Canada...
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Yes absolutely! Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Great review once again, but when it comes to flavour you need to evaluate what you can afford to eat! 😊
Thanks buddy. Yes absolutely! 💯
When I rode the R18 last October and compared it to my Softail Deluxe, the very last of the Twin cams (which I preferred to the newer M8 version), I found the Harley brakes much better than on the R18. Maybe because HD used Brembo brakes on the last of the twin cams Softail's. You can use one finger braking on the Deluxe and these provide the best brakes I have ever used on any Harley.
Really ok that’s good 👍🏼💯
You're right. They finally got the brakes right on those. Maybe the R18 you rode hadn't had enough miles to run in the brakes, yet.
@@jroberthadden There could have been something wrong with the brakes on the R18 I rode. The Missenden Flyer rode the same bike as I did and also commented about the front brakes. I told the sales guy at Barnstormer that he might want to get the front brake checked as it felt like there was air in the system. Never heard back from them. Not bothered either way as I found my Deluxe a much better motorcycle and if anything I would want a lighter bike, not an even heavier one...
Love the Retro 1940's look of the Harley Davidson Heritage....The BMW R-18 looks more like an official Police Bike a bit bulky...Both are great bikes..... but,
Definitely like the Harley Davidson Heritage 114 Best ✔️✔️✔️
Yes good points my friend 👍🏼👍🏼
I just know I’d bash those cylinders!
Just stumbled across your channel and subscribed all the way from West Aus.. love the content. If you haven’t already I would possibly suggest reviewing the BMW k1600 Bagger.. inline 6 engine. You’ll love it.
Welcome aboard! Yes hopefully more BMW's to come soon!
Both beautiful machines. I sat on the BMW and felt I could ride it for a short distance or time, but my leg position would require me to get off and stretch at regular intervals. I need to get my feet forward. Great to have more competition as it drives innovation. Thanks for posting.
Yes indeed 💯👍🏼
Another good video! I think I am in the R 18 camp, but I haven't ridden one. All comes down to individual preferences. Can't always sort that sort of thing out in advance. If we could, I wouldn't have an ex-wife. Yeah, if only she had known!
Thanks buddy! Haha we live and learn 👍🏼
HD. The cylinder protrusion is a game changer for me.
I'd have the Beemer based almost entirely on the look and sound. The HD is a good looking bike with a great sound but that big boxer is a work of art and some slightly louder pipes on it would let it sing.
They certainly would!
Great video. I really like the reverse on the BMW. My '01 Goldwing had it. I like the look of the BMW, but I will be keeping my Ultra Classic with dual front discs and tubeless tires. From Canada.
Thanks buddy. Did you see our Ultra Limited review?
I dig that BMW. Harleys are everywhere here in the states. Get a Heritage and you will see several others on your ride. The Beemer? Probably won’t see on other one in several months if ever. So there is a built in uniqueness to the beemer that you just don’t get with the Harley.
Yes that’s a very good point 👍🏼
The bmw is a nice looking bike but there's no where to stretch out your legs and I think it's more cramped than a gold wing
@@briangebert8927 but you can stand, which is worth way more
Always been mostly a Harley guy including a 07 Heritage Classic I had, but I'm really warming up to the BMWs. Really interested in the new R18.
I’ve just bought one after 6 HD’s. Much better put together and more rider options… hill start, reverse, radar cruise control, heated grips etc etc. Most HD’s don’t come with any of these and those options that do you have to upgrade $$$.
I love R18, M1000r, H-D Fat-bob, but I don’t know which one to buy.
Can someone help me with it please?
And Thank You so much for your videos ❤❤
Id eliminate the m1000r immediately!
Fat bob if you want half way cruiser/roadster. R18 if you want pure art, style and uniqueness
I'd take the Beemer because of the shaft drive, I also think it's exhaust sound is slightly preferable
OK interesting point 👍🏼
After market exhausts should be a must on these girls!
@@rorynicholson8558 yes definitely
What’s the shaft drive advantage?
Belts last forever.
@@alancarter4525 I’m not sure tbh. Like you say, belts last.
When showing the footage of riding each bike, The View over the handlebars on both of them is almost the same. Meaning, on the Harley windshield, the black paint does reduce some visibility however on the BMW the Triple Tree, risers and handlebar Junction is so high that it almost blocks Vision at the same point the paint on the Harley windshield does
Yes thats true
BMW might be better. But Harley Davidson has soul and heart. I just bought the 2021 harley heritage and I love it.
Awesome 💯 We love our Heritage Classic!
Great review and not one sided either which was nice. I think BMW really brought something to the table and I’m very impressed. I don’t think you could go wrong with either. I myself own the HD.
Thanks Timothy! Much appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼
Where did the BMW get point 2? And why are three modes, only one of which delivers power linearly (correctly) better than one mode that delivers power linearly?
I don't think the Heritage needs a reverse and I've only got one good leg, but that is something HD should do on their touring bikes.
The dial on the BMW is better; more stylish, neater, better quality, easier to read, and in a better position.
If you look at the throttle response graph on the standard Heritage Classic it’s very progressive and you only get 90% or 95 % at full twist at higher rpm if memory serves me correctly
@@MrDarcy-OlMan The dial doesn't bother me on the HDs, but I agree, the handlebar is the place for a quick glance and people who want to fiddle with it. I missed the part about the dual discs. My bad.
Not sure what you mean by 90%? What I am referring to is that modes deliver the power in non linear ways. IOW, instead of cracking the throttle 5% and getting an equivalent 5% dollop of power, in Rain mode you might get 1% and in Sport mode you might get 10%. They all typically make the same peak power, so in the middle of the range a 5% twist will give you more in Rain mode and less in Sport mode. It's essentially like putting a cam on a throttle cable.
If the throttle is mapped linearly, it can't be mapped any better. If you want 10% power off the line then simply twist it 10%. If you want 1%, twist 1%.
Kids love gizmos, but a jerky throttle ain't gonna make them a better rider. Being quick is all about being smooth.
@@saddle8bag The Harley Davidson mapping isn’t 1:1 though. If you download the Vance & Hines app which comes with the tuner (free download even if you don’t have the exhaust), you can see the throttle to engine ratios. At low rpm for example, a half twist doesn’t give you a half open butterfly.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan You're making the assumption that the butterfly is equivalent to the power produced. Engines are not necessarily linearly power efficient over the rpm range. IOW, they may require little fuel air at low rpm, but a ton more at higher rpm to produce a 45 degree angle power delivery.
Think about coming into a corner about 4k rpm and closing the throttle. The engine doesn't immediately stop spinning. If it's mapped well, one can gracefully transition between some throttle to no throttle and back to some throttle. If it get's mapped to give some kid a thrill of yanking his head back when he opens the throttle, it won't be very graceful or fun to ride IMHO.
I have a sport mode on my Triumph and the only time it's worth using is if its really hot out. That deprives it of enough power that it quits jerking around. Meanwhile, my Road King has but one mode and it is perfection.
The BMW shaft drive is trouble free if properly maintained. The Harley m8 is a great platform to work off of and blueprinting the motor with after market parts would bring it up the BMW level of quality.
Yes good points 👍🏼
And therin lies the problem. The Beemer engine from the factory has superior engineering. A forged steel crank supported by three main bearings makes the engine bulletproof. I like the fact that with proper maintenance, this engine should go hundreds of thousands of miles. Things like valve adjustments on this engine should be a breeze. I like the Harley sound. Just not impressed with the engineering and manufacturing.
@@curtisssmith5204 Yes there’s no doubting the quality of BMW engineering 💯
I think something to consider is maintenance schedules and costs. Great video!
Yes that’s true 👍🏼
Traded in my HD for the R18 Classic few months ago. I love it. Hopefully it’ll be more reliable than the Harley. Great neutral review.
Really! What Harley did you have? The R18 is fabulous
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Ultra Classic Electra Glide
R18 for me all day long , shaft drive no costly belt change bigger service intervals and much cheaper to service (less to do ) better build quality and not built in India as per Harley and I think it's stunning .
Have I missed somthing about the price ?
the harley is around 37k and the R18 is 27k in australia soo i think the R18 is quite the bargain
Similar in Germany, just little less for both :D
do you have any reviews of thr BMW R18B (bagger)? Would love to see it. 4:52
We don’t I’m afraid, will try at some point 😊
Great video👍 If I had to choose, it would be the Harley, both bikes do their job very well it appears, but the Harley has the looks in my book.
Thanks bud. Yes the Harley is pretty cool 👍🏼
If I was buying a bike of this type, it would be the Honda Goldwing Bagger DCT.
Yes the Honda is very good
Honda should make a Goldwing wuith a similar sized windshield to the one on the Heritage. Clip on, clip off. Not everyone needs a full sized fairing, radio etc. The motor on the Goldwing is superb.
Interesting review and comparison, Think I'll stick with a Ruby Murray!
Haha yeah 👍🏼
Great even handed review. I am a HD and Ducati man but I was impressed with your review of the timeless BMW.
In BMW they have come up with a nice engine, with 68cc less it manages to have slightly higher torque and power values (not that they make a difference). As a motorcycle itself, I prefer the Heritage though. Thanks for the video
Thanks buddy; interesting point 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan In your opinion Harley Davidson shouldn't "wake up" and launch a range (in 1 or 2 families) of 700 to 1200cc motorcycles to win over the young people?
@@federicosamperi7336 yes definitely. Even 500cc +
Great review as always. I had a 2007 Heritage Softtail Classic. I loved it but it got to hard to move around. I got older. Reverse was definitely needed. I sold it for a 2016 Bonneville T120. Great bike! I want another cruiser and I’d choose the BMW, mostly for something different. I also had a BMW F650GS. Great too! All are high quality.
Thanks very much. The R18, especially the First Edition is surprisingly manoeuvrable, especially with reverse.
Thanks for the informative video. Well done! I 've owned three boxers. I currently ride a 2001 road king. Occasionally visit a Harley dealership but have yet to be willing to trade in my road king for any of the new Harleys. But the R18 is very tempting. I think an R18 with a springer front end would look awesome.
Thanks buddy. It’s certainly s tempting bike!
Great review guys, thanks! But I would love to see a comparison with a european 2 cylinder cruiser, with 3 riding modes, cruise control, abs, shaft drive, made by a company that has been around since 1921 and oozes character. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, look south of the alpes, on the shores of a very famous lake.
Thanks buddy. Please tell Moto Guzzi! They couldn’t be less interested!
Probably the coffee in the UK, could never be the weather.....
Great review guys, very informative.
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
What about the breaking system?
Both good.
I have a 2022 Heritage 114 and the brakes on that bike suck! I have 534 miles on it and it's an ok bike but I'm going back to an R1250 RT.