Na, it's just fanboys like Max and Stephen A. Grew up watching these fellas ball. Now they are analyst and have a platform to talk about it...... You know what, scratch that 80s, and 90s NBA was brutal af. Guys like Westbrook would get fucked by Lambier, STRAIGHT UP
True....interestingly, in 1989, Isiah's Pistons swept the underrated 80's Bucks, Bird's Celtics & Magic's Lakers but had to go 6 games against Jordan's Bulls.
@Kooly That made literally no sense. Being 29 back then was no different then it is now or before that time. Those guys lost fair and square. They are both legendary teams that each earned every championship they accomplished. We should respectively leave it at that instead of making up these stupid excuses.
Can we stop with this “The Pistons got Old” argument?? Isiah Thomas is 2 years older then MJ which means that when then the Bulls won their first championship, Isiah was only 29 years old. And Joe Dumars was only 27. That’s old??? Stop it
What about the other players? How old were they? If Pippen said the Bulls could not win because they were young, you can't say the Pistons did not get old! When Steven said the Pistons were old Scottie did not dispute it. Truth be told the Bulls won because the expansion draft took Rick Mahone from the Pistons. Look it up!
“And when people say the "Bad Boy Pistons were old" in 1991, Isiah had just turned 30 ninteen days before the series, Joe Dumars turned 28 during the series, Mark Aguirre was 31, Bill Laimbeer turned 34 the day of game 1, Dennis Rodman turned 30 six days before the series started.”
Damon Toto that’s pretty old in that era, especially because of the amount of contact they had to go trough and give, plus they got plagued by injuries, Isiah retired 3 years later.
@@mr_m4613 yes, Rick Mahone! He was the primary bad boy. Most people think bill was the baddest boy, but bill said rick mahone was the leader and brought that out of him.
Pippen looks like he can still play. I wonder the hours he still spends in the gym, & how disciplined he still is with his diet. Man hasn't aged a day since he last played!
@@verlongrimes0971 Chicago is Isaiah lord Thomas hometown but it's Scottie pippen's city and i love both players growing up but pip will still put them paws on Thomas i loved basketball during the 80s and 90s cause niggas wasn't smiling and being friendly with the opposing team one that ball was tipped in the air it was war magic Johnson dropped his bestfriend Thomas on the ground during the playoffs just to send a message
We need to stop this "they were old" narrative. The '91 pistons beat the celtics in the playoffs and fans were chanting for a three peat. They were 29-31 years old. They weren't nearly as old as the '98 bulls
@@mikekirkland2487 That's precisely the point...the wear and tear to have to go not just through those 89 and 90 seasons, but also the grind of the 88 and 87 playoffs...it caught up with them. The best thing about MJ having such a bad team early is that he didn't have much extra wear and tear put on his body the first 5 years of his career. It wasn't until 1989 that he made a playoff run of more than 10 games. What people always fail to understand is the physical AND mental toll being on top takes. That's why MJ doing it 2x makes him the undisputed GOAT in my eyes. You take everyone's best shot basically for five years (I don't count 1991 because they were still hunters that first run) and beat them all. The Pistons just didn't have it in them by the spring of 1991 because of the wars they had already been in. The proof is what happened AFTER the fact...the Pistons never seriously challenged for anything with that core after 1991. Same with Magic and the Lakers. MJ never got the satisfaction of knocking off Bird's Celtics in the postseason.
Im from detroit...I watched every single piston game back to tripucka and all i can say is that we literally TAUGHT the chicago bulls how to play. They started using our heart that we had against us, They matched our energy after seeing how we didnt care about the rules and we created a monster...Jordan actually had to lift weights and get bigger to beat us.. ASK MAHORN.
We? You weren’t on, or employed by the team buddy. Nor do they care about you. They happened to be paid to play in that city. I’m sorry you apparently have so little going for you that your city sports teams is how you vicariously measure your own success (and in a delusional way at that), but try to come back to reality.
@@justindavis7435 because Bron is the self proclaimed goat, whereas MJ never claimed that. He gave respect to the ones who came before him. Obviously the big mouth is gonna get slapped and penalized, simple as that.
No way any real ball fan can deny that the Detroit pistons a 2x championship winner wasnt massive factor in the development of the early Chicago bulls teams with Jordan pippen and grant.
I love how they didn’t show Scottie the part where Isaiah was COMPLIMENTING the Bulls and the great things they did. Yes it was a ploy to stir up drama but come on. The man showed the utmost respect for the Bulls and Scottie is left feeling like Isaiah was just talking more trash.
Agreed. But let's face it, covid has put the kibosh on sports largely and b/c of that the shows have nothing else to do but reopen old wounds. They have to keep their ratings up somehow lest they find themselves out of a job.
@Andre no, Zeke has kept quiet all these years until the documentary on the Bulls came out with Jordan and Pippen running thier mouths about Isiah, you think a Detroit guy is gonna sit back and say nothing???? lol GTFOH with that
Anthony Bennett absolutely cause what Zeke said was Scottie was a all time Hall of Famer not a All Star big difference. Pistons didn’t have a Scottie Pippen
@Ben DC4L they wouls have lost like when they had AD LOL. Pistons OWN teams not in offense but in defense. When mj and pip put on those muacles, it was over for the pistons
Scottie: “I don’t want to hear this” Molly: “No you got to hear it Scottie” while simultaneously starting the tape They weren’t going to take no for an answer 😂😂
Yeah if u include the fact that they punched, kicked, clothesline, tripped, kneed, choked, pushed their opponents to get to the Finals then yeah I guess 😂. They didn't do it off skill, they beat people up & were dirty
The Pistons have been historically known as the dynasty destroyers. 1980s Celtics, 1980s Lakers, and years later the 2004 Lakers with the all star team Kobe, Shaq, Malone, Peyton. The Pistons defense was intense in the 80s and intense in the mid 2000s.
Stephen A: Pistons were old Pistons 1991: Aguirre 31, Dumars 28, Laimbeer 34, Rodman 30, Isiah 30, Sailey 27. Average age of team 31.5 after coming off back to back finals wins. Verdict: Excuses.
Finally, someone got it right. Scottie and Stephen A. explained it perfectly. They got beat down physically and emotionally by the Pistons 3 years straight. In the last dance Jordan even says how hard he hit the gym and bulked up because of how physical the Pistons were with him. Beating the best or getting over that hump is what propels great players into elite status. Having a mountain to climb figuratively of course is motivating. It made the Bulls and Jordan specifically change how he trained. How he worked out in the offseason. How he practiced. Helped him achieve greatness. Even he didn't think he was capable of. I watched it live and that's how i will always see it.
His brother Billy voice is actually deeper than his lol. I am from Hamburg Arkansas and grew up with all his family. I chill with him from time to time when he links up with my uncle
*I’m too young for the Bulls-Pistons era but based on videos I watched SAS is right. That Detroit team was so tough that the Bulls has to exceptionally elevate their game in order to get through them*
A.I. was only 6 feet with shoes on. He was a hands-down better scorer than Zeke. But Zeke was a better 2-way player and a leader you could build a team around, which is why he's a champion.
@Dexter's Finest That's true. But what Max said is also true. If you really were around during that time and saw/experienced that rivalry in REAL TIME, you'd know that the Pistons were operating on borrowed time vs CHI. In '88 DET won 4-1. In '89 they won 4-2. And in '90, they won 4-3. NOTE: CHI was the ONLY TEAM to get 2 wins off of DET in '89. They crushed everyone else, including LA in the Finals. And in Game 7 in '90, Pippen was a no-show (migraine), and BJ, Cartwright, Hodges and Grant ALL DISAPPEARED with a COMBINED 11-57 (19%) performance. Had MJ gotten the LEAST BIT of help from 'em, they probably would've won their 1st title in '90. You could see the Pistons demise vs CHI coming a mile away and was just a matter of time. And DET knew it as well. That's why they concentrated so hard on mentally/psychologically intimidating them so much. Because they knew that the key to maintaining their success against CHI, lay in delaying/disrupting the mental maturity of MJ's teammates.
@Dats a paddlin That is how a kid argues when they know they have the losing hand. The bulls were historically the better team and they have 6 chips to prove it lol
@Dats a paddlin When the pistons were at their best, the bulls were not. The bulls beat the pistons when most of that piston team was still 28-31 years old, which are still prime years especially in that NBA when players went to college for 3-4 years. Bulls are simply the better team stacked up against each other. Prime for prime. If you want to talk about a prime piston team against a young bulls team, go ahead and be like baby Isiah. IF you compare the best Isiah led team to any MJ 6 title teams, even without rodman, they beat the pistons. That is pretty simple to see for anyone that watched basketball back then.
@Dats a paddlin So you are referring to the 1988 playoffs when that MJ MVP and DPOY bulls team got cheated against the pistons in the playoffs? That is what you are hanging your hat on ? Did you watch that series? If not go watch it. LMAO. MJ and the BUlls, all day everyday..
Jordantards never want to be objective with him. They love to praise him and tarnish anyone else. Secondly, if they have nothing to respond with, they resort to shaming language. They're the worst. And most of them swear they know anything when they're noobs.
@@younglove3362 Agreed. He has the worst fanbase along side Bama fans. I listen to the masters of the game (NBA Legends) and not these dumb students of the game (fans, fanboys/girls, analysts, commentators, and former basketball players that haven't played 1 NBA game)
The 1991 “Old Pistons” that MJ swept: Isiah Thomas, 29 years old. Dennis Rodman, 29 years old. Joe Dumars, 27 years old. The 2014 “Stacked” Spurs that beat LeFraud in 5. Tim Duncan, 38 years old. Manu Ginobli, 38 years old. Tony Parker, 33 years old.
The man Scottie told you if it wasn’t for Detroit there would be no Bulls in their dominance. I don’t understand the excuses. Would you say if the Bulls won more than Detroit that the Bulls were young.?! It doesn’t matter. There are no excuses. Detroit was better than Chicago 3-1 and that’s it. Nothing else has to be said or excuses made. Max acts like like the in 89 and 90 the series weren’t competitive. The Bulls were almost just as good they were just not better than Detroit. Max is spouting nonsense.
Wish Max and Stephen let Scotty speak more. He actually lived it, they watched it. Let Scotty tell us what the Pistons represented for the greatest team ever. That was a lost moment in history from one of the top 50 players ever. Now all we have is Max forcing his opinions on us and Stephen forcing his arrogance on Max.
I think Scottie answered it truthfully and respectfully. The fact that the Pistons put that fear in Scottie and that beating on MJ to where they fear and despise them even to this day, proves how great that team was.
They explained it quite well in the Last Dance - in short they had to improve so much and they beat the pistons in 91 because they were so good and yes the pistons had declined a little (isiah had a long hand injury if i recall correctly). In long : In 1984, Jordan was a rookie in a mediocre team. Then thanks to Jerry Reinsdorf (the new owner) and Jerry Krause (the new GM), they eventually managed to build a great cast : John Paxson, then a year later Grant and Pippen, then Cartwright - all the way the team got stronger but was defeated 3 times in a row (in 7 games in 1989-1990 in the PO by the Pistons. Meanwhile, for the season 1989-1990 Phil Jackson took over as new coach, and the triangle offense was implemented. So thanks to the organization and the players, they set the whole pieces, and the team became great in 1990-1991 (i compared a little the PO against the pistons in 90 and 91 : they had all improved and most importantly, did not rely solely on MJ to score). After that, thank you Detroit : they had learnt the hard way what it takes to win the last game of the season.
The Bad Boys were not old. It is just a myth. Isiah Thomas was 30, Dumars was 28, Laimbeer was 33, Rodman was 30. They were in their prime. The Bulls were just better. Case closed.
Max forgets the Pistons had been to War against Magic's Lakers, and Larry's Celtics, and all the other tough teams for years and were injured and exhausted . The bulls were young and hungry and healthy . It was a transition . And I saw it happen from the late 80's to the early 90's . People need to RESPECT Detroit and Isaiah Thomas cuz he's really the only guy to beat Bird,Magic and Jordan. Also the toughest team in the NBA in decades!
They beat up on other teams & it's stars. That's one of the reasons why NOBODY respects them. Facts are that EVERY team has its run & then there's a new hungry team ready to dethrone them. There's nothing new with DET
@@shaunphillips3236 You can play out whatever crusty narrative, the media tells you, but unless you were around to watch the games back then, you don't know what you're talking about. EVERY team was physical back in those days, the Pistons just got the bad rap because they were the city of Detroit, a predominately black city, let's be real. They we're competing and keep up with the "darling favorites", white collared LA Lakers & Boston Celtics, who, by the way, if you ever watch the finals of those 2 teams, used to fight each other very ruthlessly on a regular basis. The Pistons were competing with those two teams at a high level and the media and society did not like that. Detroit was made out to be the bad guy, thus the term "bad boys". Isaiah wasn't lying when he said Michael Jordan and the Bulls weren't their competition in the 80s, the only competition they were concerned with was Boston & the Los Angeles Lakers. Every other team was beneath them...
Someone should have clued Max in on something.. It is NOT about Mike just playing with an AS. It was about the right AS and that was Scottie.. His game suited what Mike wanted to do perfectly.. Jordan ain't winning any chips with Iverson I can assure you of that..
I'm a die hard Piston fan and watched this in real time. I hated the Bulls MJ and Scotty but as a man, Scotty gets more respect from for his answer over what Isiah said. That is how a man is supposed to act. I also like the way Stephen Smith put as to getting through the Pistons helped make Chicago what they became. Practically unbeatable. I hated them but I am a man now and give respect when it is deserved.
Skol Brothers IT would’ve mentioned a future line one time and pippen would’ve started to emotionally breakdown😂 “I should’ve never got caught up with a cougar”
How is Stephen A going to say the pistons were older when Isaiah said, "I was only 2 years older than Jordan!! You're acting like I was like 7 years older than him!"?
Caleb Crowell you are so right , they were all close to the same age and Rodman played with the bulls years later. That old talk just ain't accurate. Good catch bro
The Pistons held the Bulls down for about two or three good years cause Jordan had no help, then he got Scottie but Scottie wasn’t quite there yet. The Bulls finally matured and beat them. The Pistons were not “old”. Most of them weren’t even in their mid 30s. The Bulls just passed them up. Period.
The biggest myth in the history of the nba is that the bad boy pistons were old when the bulls finally got through them. They weren’t. John sally won chips with the shaq Kobe Lakers a decade later. Zeke retired at 32. Dennis was still in his prime when he won chips with the bulls 5 yrs later. Joe Dumars retired in 99. Lambier was the only won who was old.
@@theleslielezzshowtell4513 yeah, but Pippen and Jordan got picked into Dream Team. Where was Isiah when they conquered the world in Barcelona? Oh yes, crying on national television.
Detroit Pistons maybe a few years older than the Chicago Bulls, but the Bulls never went to 4 straight conference finals add 3 straight NBA Finals for a grand total of over mileage. It’s like a new car but is getting older because of mileage. Bulls got lucky when younger and fresher legs
It's hard for me to recognize the Piston's greatness due to their tactics. For me, it goes straight from the Lakers / Celtics to the Bulls. They won, but winning does not equal greatness.
That's like saying after the Lakers 3 peat, it went to the spurs reign, Lakers again, Miami's then golden state. We just gonna ignore the pistons and mavs?
@@bsmart826 Just watching ep 4 of the last dance. MJ shook Isaiah's hand and congratulated him on a great series and wished them luck in the finals in 1990. Magic Johnson hugged MJ after getting defeated in 1991 and they both remember that moment with fondness and joy. That is sportsmanship. Fight to the end, act graciously, win or lose. Magic Johnson interviewed after the Bull won: "If you're gonna lose, you should lose to Michael. It's a beautiful feeling, and that's how it should be."
As a bulls fan, I was never more elated or satisfied as when the bulls finally overcame and swept the Pistons. I was pretty confident we would handle the past their prime Lakers. The Blazers the next year were a different story - scary talent but we had Mike and Pip.
No, what REALLY happened was that when the Pistons were the right age/ experience/ injury situation to win and the Bulls weren't, the Pistons won. And then when the Bulls were the right age/ experience/ injury situation to win and the Pistons weren't, the Bulls won. It's not any more complicated than that.
Yep!!! That's exactly what happened. Bulls lacked at least experience (Jordan young) and lost. And Pistons lacked at least health (Isiah's wrist) and lost.
Age is hardly the reason why the Bulls overcame the Pistons. The NBA implemented the flagrant foul rule in 1990 which took the Pistons major advantage away. Also the Bulls got better as a team and they caught them at the right time.
I Am King Isiah is fine. He got his two rings and is in the HOF . There is obviously still animosity towards him and the Bulls and vice versa. And blame Bill lambeer for that walk off.
I Am King cowardice 😂 you must not play sports. you don’t have to shake your opponents hands. That dumb idea is brought on by fans who don’t or can’t compete at a high level. It is war out there.
Yes the Pistons did win more collectively but the Bulls never punked out they always competed. When the Bulls got em in 91 the Pistons straight punked out. They didn't want to compete anymore (not because of age) and walked off the court with their tails tucked between their legs. That's the lasting memory that people have of them and now they want to try to use MJ and the Bulls as a crutch to repair their image.
Well not really, Isiah said Pistons were the better team, Scottie said he admits beating the Pistons made them tougher, big difference What I don't get though is why Pistons should get credit for that, yes they were a good team but it could have been any team in their way and they would have got past them, like Scottie said, you have to go through trials to become a champion, the fact they got throught he trials to become champions again and again proves they were always the better team, it could have been any other team in their way and they would have beaten them, does that mean that team should get credit for 'toughening them up'? I don't think so, if it was the Pistons that won and beat everyone else THEN they could take credit, to me it just sounds like a team who got second place and are still bitter about it, can't admit that Bulls were the better team - just face the music Isiah you lost to a better team, yeah you were good, but not good enough, it seems like his ego just can't admit that even 30 years later
Let's also not forget that how long the Pistons had went every year and the way they played Defense which is still the best Defense till this day and only other team that could have a say in the matter is 2004 Pistons and I mean is a NBA Championship and the best Defense and won it all!! I'm a Bulls fan but I have to give love that Defense was nasty and to keep that up for that long is hard on a body every year!! Also the NBA realized that Jordan was the cash cow and not to have them in the NBA finals was not good business and the following year they started calling the ticky-tack fouls the Pistons couldn't D him up like they did the following year and the fouls they was calling they let go in years past
I think they missed something. IT meant if he had another all star, bulls team wouldn't win. Get him someone in the top 50 best players in the history of the NBA.
@@Salah_Hoblos I'm not even a Rodman fan, but he got snubbed from that list. Anybody who watched during the late 80s-mid 90's knows Rodman was the best defender of all time.
I remember the Detroit Pistons owned the BULLS for years. Detroit was challenging the Celtics. They were not worried about the Bulls for years. The Jordan rules were in full effect. But I agree with Isaiah Thomas. All 5 starters of the pistons were HOF. The bench were just as good. That's they won BACK2BACK championships. And the bulls couldn't do anything about it.
The Detroit Pistons were back to back champions but those championships were not given the proper credit bec on how the bad boys pistons intentionally hurt their opponents. Also Isiah wants to be included in the inner circle of Bird-Magic-MJ triumvirate. Just imagine Isiah had back to back titles but he was not included in that circle. What is worst MJ is responsible on him not being part of the Dream Team bec of his unsportmanship when MJ finally bested Isiah Thomas in 1991. Isiah deserves to be in the Dream Team but MJ will not play if Isiah is in the team. Everybody knows Isiah was not included bec MJ does not want to play with him. On another note, MJ could have been the Team Captain of the Dream Team but he let Magic and Bird to have that honor. Noteworthy to mention MJ let go of his ego as well as the other NBA superstars when it comes to the games of the 1992 Olympics. Their chemistry is amazing. MJ did not have to score 50 as long as they win.
Love how my elder uncles get together at family functions and talk about their heydays. These guys are no different, only they were professional athletes lol.
NBA players agree with Max, and SAS still go at Max, further proof that he never liked Max on the show...at like he always gotta be right. Talking loud don't make you correct SAS!!!
Who walked off the court at the end of game 4. Chicago has owned the palace ever since. But, without having the bad boys to beat we would have never won 6 titles. Much respect.
Pippen doesn’t hate the Pistons, he hates Isiah specifically. And same back. Isiah apologized for everyone but him, that’s why Jordan still holds a grudge against Isiah
Why is Stephen A Smith saying that the Pistons were old? Why does everyone say that? Isaiah Thomas was the same age Michael Jordan. Joe Dumars was younger than Michael Jordan and the same age as Scottie Pippen. Why do they keep saying that the pictures were old
Rivalries were so good back then in sports, mfs still fighting 30yrs later.
TRUTH bomb
Na, it's just fanboys like Max and Stephen A. Grew up watching these fellas ball. Now they are analyst and have a platform to talk about it......
You know what, scratch that
80s, and 90s NBA was brutal af. Guys like Westbrook would get fucked by Lambier,
STRAIGHT UP
lol facts?
@@ishmaelm1932 naa westbrook would be fine
@@ramiamer5607
You know, I highly doubt that. The guy can't even handle lillard. Gary Payton would make him cry like a baby
Scottie's voice makes me feel like I'm being x-rayed for some reason..
I’m cackling at this comment 🤣🤣🤣
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Lmfao 😂😂
@MUFC Soccer will NEVER be the number one sport in the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His voice would be great to announce the next train stop
Always loved Scottie's seriousness. Represents the 90s Bulls well.
this comment did not age well. Scottie is a salty simp
Isiah's Pistons eliminated Bird, Jordan and Magic in one playoff run...
It was special can’t take that away ... prime v prime bulls vs pistons the bulls would win though.
True....interestingly, in 1989, Isiah's Pistons swept the underrated 80's Bucks, Bird's Celtics & Magic's Lakers but had to go 6 games against Jordan's Bulls.
Remmy 10 didnt Magic and Byron Scott miss the Finals though due to injuries?
@@jtremaine23 Magic and Scott missed the Finals
thats impressive..and i couldnt stand those bad boy teams
“They weren’t old, they were defeated” greatest comment ever!!!!!!!!
They were defeated after 4 tries. Pistons beat the Bulls 3 consecutive years!
@@jeisreis5083 after that Bulls won the next three years
Kooly dude you’re an idiot , who was Jordan suppose to win with , Bill Wennington and 40 year old Gervin ? Give it a rest
@Kooly That made literally no sense. Being 29 back then was no different then it is now or before that time. Those guys lost fair and square. They are both legendary teams that each earned every championship they accomplished. We should respectively leave it at that instead of making up these stupid excuses.
Shouldn't Scottie be kissing MJ's rear end, thanking him for his rings? Leave Isiah and the real men in this "debate" alone.
I agree with Scottie. "THEY Weren't OLD, THEY WAS DEFEATED." 'nough said.
It’s funny how they say they were old but they were in the conference finals 😂😂 and they were like 29. They were defeated asf
Dats a paddlin Na Na Na they won fair and square. Don’t start being a excuse maker and sore loser like the pistons. Real men acknowledge defeat
Dats a paddlin in 91 they were in the conference finals and beat the 56 win Celtics? No excuses
Dats a paddlin u didn’t watch so u Jordan haters don’t know anything. Lebron literally played the raptors with derozen and Lowry that’s so weak 😂😂.
Dats a paddlin bro just shut up u actually believe those raptors were good. Gtfoh
Man y’all are going to make these dudes throw hands this weekend 😂
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Boxing fight
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Can we stop with this “The Pistons got Old” argument?? Isiah Thomas is 2 years older then MJ which means that when then the Bulls won their first championship, Isiah was only 29 years old. And Joe Dumars was only 27. That’s old??? Stop it
What about the other players? How old were they?
If Pippen said the Bulls could not win because they were young, you can't say the Pistons did not get old! When Steven said the Pistons were old Scottie did not dispute it.
Truth be told the Bulls won because the expansion draft took Rick Mahone from the Pistons. Look it up!
“And when people say the "Bad Boy Pistons were old" in 1991, Isiah had just turned 30 ninteen days before the series, Joe Dumars turned 28 during the series, Mark Aguirre was 31, Bill Laimbeer turned 34 the day of game 1, Dennis Rodman turned 30 six days before the series started.”
@@halfurbanhalfsuburban8219 Rick Mahorn
Damon Toto that’s pretty old in that era, especially because of the amount of contact they had to go trough and give, plus they got plagued by injuries, Isiah retired 3 years later.
@@mr_m4613 yes, Rick Mahone! He was the primary bad boy. Most people think bill was the baddest boy, but bill said rick mahone was the leader and brought that out of him.
Pippen looks like he can still play. I wonder the hours he still spends in the gym, & how disciplined he still is with his diet. Man hasn't aged a day since he last played!
Steroids
@@kayepointer1536 You must be a Lakers or Nicks fan.
Greatness makes you guys bitchy...
He's sitting there clothed with hair dye and that's enough for you to conclude that he can still play in the NBA? Goof.
So what ? spending time at the gym doesn’t mean you can still play in the national basketball league. Something is wrong with you fam !
@@VCthaGOATdunker lmao
Pippen trynna run that fade 30 years later
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Exactly 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Naw he ain't, he don't want it with Isaih.
@@verlongrimes0971 Chicago is Isaiah lord Thomas hometown but it's Scottie pippen's city and i love both players growing up but pip will still put them paws on Thomas i loved basketball during the 80s and 90s cause niggas wasn't smiling and being friendly with the opposing team one that ball was tipped in the air it was war magic Johnson dropped his bestfriend Thomas on the ground during the playoffs just to send a message
We need to stop this "they were old" narrative. The '91 pistons beat the celtics in the playoffs and fans were chanting for a three peat. They were 29-31 years old. They weren't nearly as old as the '98 bulls
True... as Isaiah said.. He was 2yrs older than MJ.. Just 2 yrs.. Lol...
& they were coming off a back to back titles too! Old men, beat up teams don't do that.
@@mikekirkland2487 That's precisely the point...the wear and tear to have to go not just through those 89 and 90 seasons, but also the grind of the 88 and 87 playoffs...it caught up with them. The best thing about MJ having such a bad team early is that he didn't have much extra wear and tear put on his body the first 5 years of his career. It wasn't until 1989 that he made a playoff run of more than 10 games. What people always fail to understand is the physical AND mental toll being on top takes. That's why MJ doing it 2x makes him the undisputed GOAT in my eyes. You take everyone's best shot basically for five years (I don't count 1991 because they were still hunters that first run) and beat them all. The Pistons just didn't have it in them by the spring of 1991 because of the wars they had already been in. The proof is what happened AFTER the fact...the Pistons never seriously challenged for anything with that core after 1991. Same with Magic and the Lakers. MJ never got the satisfaction of knocking off Bird's Celtics in the postseason.
faison514 thank you!!! I always say this. On paper they were YOUNGER than the bulls. They were the defending champs. The bulls were just better.
All yal opinions not facts 😆
Im from detroit...I watched every single piston game back to tripucka and all i can say is that we literally TAUGHT the chicago bulls how to play. They started using our heart that we had against us, They matched our energy after seeing how we didnt care about the rules and we created a monster...Jordan actually had to lift weights and get bigger to beat us.. ASK MAHORN.
We? You weren’t on, or employed by the team buddy. Nor do they care about you. They happened to be paid to play in that city. I’m sorry you apparently have so little going for you that your city sports teams is how you vicariously measure your own success (and in a delusional way at that), but try to come back to reality.
We had a great team back then
@@Ivantheterrible81280 bro shut your mouth🤣what are you talking about☠️☠️☠️
dude said we 😂😂😂😂
Mr.Thomas💪🏾🏀💯
Scottie hates Isiah .. but he didnt disagree , matta of fact he said Yes
Yah but he also said in an round about way that prime vs prime the pistons have no chance. I agree.
Zeek dominated Mike knocked them off 3 playoff series.people only remember Mike winning meanwhile LeBron gets penalized for loosing unwinnable finals
@@justindavis7435 because Bron is the self proclaimed goat, whereas MJ never claimed that. He gave respect to the ones who came before him. Obviously the big mouth is gonna get slapped and penalized, simple as that.
No way any real ball fan can deny that the Detroit pistons a 2x championship winner wasnt massive factor in the development of the early Chicago bulls teams with Jordan pippen and grant.
Mash Work ya feel me, all im tryna say
Who ever said Molly was fired I gotta find him
Leave Molly along
@@eugenerollins985 there you are again you said she was fired ima Pull up on you
Lol
It was me srry
You're the idiot for believing it. Btw, I have some beach front property in Russia for sale, are you interested?
I love how they didn’t show Scottie the part where Isaiah was COMPLIMENTING the Bulls and the great things they did. Yes it was a ploy to stir up drama but come on. The man showed the utmost respect for the Bulls and Scottie is left feeling like Isaiah was just talking more trash.
Agreed. But let's face it, covid has put the kibosh on sports largely and b/c of that the shows have nothing else to do but reopen old wounds. They have to keep their ratings up somehow lest they find themselves out of a job.
People try to hate the Pistons and it's a fact
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 No people are tired of the hating and excuses from Isiah Thomas.
@Andre no, Zeke has kept quiet all these years until the documentary on the Bulls came out with Jordan and Pippen running thier mouths about Isiah, you think a Detroit guy is gonna sit back and say nothing???? lol GTFOH with that
*I would've gave my whole ✔ to see Scottie Pippen & Isaiah Thomas on the same panel together*
What check?
Dr. Kojimon unemployment check
That 1.216 MILL ✔
I SEE YOU ANTHONY..
Anthony Bennett absolutely cause what Zeke said was Scottie was a all time Hall of Famer not a All Star big difference. Pistons didn’t have a Scottie Pippen
@Ben DC4L they wouls have lost like when they had AD LOL.
Pistons OWN teams not in offense but in defense. When mj and pip put on those muacles, it was over for the pistons
I hope ESPN takes full responsibility when Scottie finally runs down on Isaiah 😂
@Dats a paddlin ok bet when I log into youtube and the ESPN headline pops up "Pippen fires on IT at all star weekend" I'm gonna come find you bruh 😂😂😂
Isiah a real one child lol
😂
Pippen wouldn't even dare to step up to Isaiah Thomas you must be smoking some scoopies
Foh! Isaiah is from the streets of Chicago, Pippen don’t want that smoke!
Pippen's voice received a stimulus check.
Should've had them on the panel together.
Jamel Watson there’s a reason they didn’t.. they can’t stand each other. Do your research youngblood
@@Positive_energy4u Yeah that rivalry goes on and will never end. It was personal.
Jamel Watson would've been some furniture moving had they done that
It will be awkward for sure!
Jamel Watson no way no how! 😂😂😂🤣🤣
Man we need to see scottie vs I.T on first take, write them both a big check and let’s see them go at it.
they both dont seem like a trash talking type. they will just throw hands eventually lol
@@bongwater7908 great so 2hats the problem again lol
bong water they genuinely don’t like each other lmaooo
I don’t think they would even speak to each other.
Scottie: “I don’t want to hear this”
Molly: “No you got to hear it Scottie” while simultaneously starting the tape
They weren’t going to take no for an answer 😂😂
Word 😂😂😂 Scottie hate Isiah. It's a on sight thing for him lmao
I love Scottie's honesty, how he break down basketball and he is without a doubt one of the greatest NBA players of all-time!!!
The Bad Boys Pistons at their prime was one of the greatest basketball teams ever!
Chow Down Detroit period!
But not better than the Bulls.
Yeah if u include the fact that they punched, kicked, clothesline, tripped, kneed, choked, pushed their opponents to get to the Finals then yeah I guess 😂. They didn't do it off skill, they beat people up & were dirty
@@shaunphillips3236 you mean it's not football😂😂😂
@@TheDcraft EXACTLY! These mfs wanna act like they were superior athletes because of their skills, they were dirty that's why they get no respect
The Pistons have been historically known as the dynasty destroyers. 1980s Celtics, 1980s Lakers, and years later the 2004 Lakers with the all star team Kobe, Shaq, Malone, Peyton. The Pistons defense was intense in the 80s and intense in the mid 2000s.
The pistons bla blah blah, the bulls destroyed their dynasty not the other way around gtfoh
@@ocivdelos2335 you mad about a 2 year old comment lil fella? 😅
@@ocivdelos2335 stupid dog ,gtfo homies
The pistons were dirty SOBs and when it was turned on them by the Bulls they disrespected the bulls by just walking off at the end of the game
Stephen A: Pistons were old
Pistons 1991: Aguirre 31, Dumars 28, Laimbeer 34, Rodman 30, Isiah 30, Sailey 27. Average age of team 31.5 after coming off back to back finals wins.
Verdict: Excuses.
Scottie: We weren't physically mature enough
Yup
Rodman wasn’t 30 joe Dumars was 28 Isaiah was 29 the Bulls were just better
@@perrywhite715 I'm talking about 1991. Rodman was born May 1961 and Thomas was born April 1961.
"Pistons were old" is an excuse but "Scottie wasn't mature enough" is not? Gtfo.
They was actin like IT was trippin, Scottie came up there and CONFIRMED everything he said!
raman noodeles Dude, EXACTLY!!!
Zeke, not IT
Top Kek dude, IT is short for his name
toriano zeke= Isiah Thomas of the detroit pistons. IT=Isaiah Thomas who got cut by the clippers
You must have watched a different team, he said they weren't old they were defeated. Bulls were better and there's no denying that.
Finally, someone got it right. Scottie and Stephen A. explained it perfectly. They got beat down physically and emotionally by the Pistons 3 years straight. In the last dance Jordan even says how hard he hit the gym and bulked up because of how physical the Pistons were with him. Beating the best or getting over that hump is what propels great players into elite status. Having a mountain to climb figuratively of course is motivating. It made the Bulls and Jordan specifically change how he trained. How he worked out in the offseason. How he practiced. Helped him achieve greatness. Even he didn't think he was capable of. I watched it live and that's how i will always see it.
Scottie's voice vibrates through my desk all the way through my floor.
His brother Billy voice is actually deeper than his lol. I am from Hamburg Arkansas and grew up with all his family. I chill with him from time to time when he links up with my uncle
It’s his BBC. 😂😂😂😂
Scottie’s breakfast cereal must be gravel.
First take gotta watch out, they’re about to get these old men to fight bruh😂
Eric Arias pippen and isiah just have to fight since pippen hate isiah
@@Luminous03 😂 she ain't worth it.
Jarred Haynes I agree bruh, never fight over a female
That's why SAS mationed that Max is good in covering boxing :D
Scottie has that "ATREUS, OVER HERE" voice
*I’m too young for the Bulls-Pistons era but based on videos I watched SAS is right. That Detroit team was so tough that the Bulls has to exceptionally elevate their game in order to get through them*
Why didn't they get them on the same panel?
they didn't want a fight on live tv
the same reason the NBA gives out techs for no reason at all
Alerog745 they hate each other lol. Scottie and mike kept isiah off the dream team
That's cause they can't stand each other.
They'd be throwing hands for sure...even in recent years, Isiah was dissin' Scottie on TNT Open Court
Scottie Pippen is the Type of dude who writes a two sentence answer in a 10 sentence paragraph question and gets it right anyway. 🤣🤣🤣
Molly : you gotta hear this
Scottie: I don't wanna hear it 😂😂😂😂😂
I love zeke.. The best small superstar to take his team to a championship
I watched it up close, and he was the truth! Completely fearless with the will of a champion.
This is going to go on forever. I actually love it! 😁😁😁
I love Zeek.. Best 6 feet player ever... Nasty
Reginald Rodges nah I’m taking A.I over him
No way I would take A.I. over Zeke. Not ever.
@@Firstnameunknownfr you on that dope
What about Sleepy Floyd
A.I. was only 6 feet with shoes on. He was a hands-down better scorer than Zeke. But Zeke was a better 2-way player and a leader you could build a team around, which is why he's a champion.
The Pistons put the Bulls out of the playoffs three years in a row!!!
@Dexter's Finest
That's true.
But what Max said is also true.
If you really were around during that time and saw/experienced that rivalry in REAL TIME, you'd know that the Pistons were operating on borrowed time vs CHI.
In '88 DET won 4-1. In '89 they won 4-2. And in '90, they won 4-3.
NOTE: CHI was the ONLY TEAM to get 2 wins off of DET in '89. They crushed everyone else, including LA in the Finals.
And in Game 7 in '90, Pippen was a no-show (migraine), and BJ, Cartwright, Hodges and Grant ALL DISAPPEARED with a COMBINED 11-57 (19%) performance.
Had MJ gotten the LEAST BIT of help from 'em, they probably would've won their 1st title in '90.
You could see the Pistons demise vs CHI coming a mile away and was just a matter of time. And DET knew it as well.
That's why they concentrated so hard on mentally/psychologically intimidating them so much. Because they knew that the key to maintaining their success against CHI, lay in delaying/disrupting the mental maturity of MJ's teammates.
@Dats a paddlin That is how a kid argues when they know they have the losing hand. The bulls were historically the better team and they have 6 chips to prove it lol
@Dats a paddlin When the pistons were at their best, the bulls were not. The bulls beat the pistons when most of that piston team was still 28-31 years old, which are still prime years especially in that NBA when players went to college for 3-4 years.
Bulls are simply the better team stacked up against each other. Prime for prime. If you want to talk about a prime piston team against a young bulls team, go ahead and be like baby Isiah. IF you compare the best Isiah led team to any MJ 6 title teams, even without rodman, they beat the pistons. That is pretty simple to see for anyone that watched basketball back then.
@Dats a paddlin So you are referring to the 1988 playoffs when that MJ MVP and DPOY bulls team got cheated against the pistons in the playoffs? That is what you are hanging your hat on ? Did you watch that series? If not go watch it. LMAO. MJ and the BUlls, all day everyday..
@Dats a paddlin 6 championships to 2!!!! lol
I can’t respect how SAS just acts like Max doesn’t make great points.
Scottie actin like Scottie. Agreeing with everything said. " I like yo position"
"I.THOMAS" was a BEAST too
Notice how they never brought up the Pistons head to head record with the Bulls. Zeke had straight facts!!
Jordantards never want to be objective with him. They love to praise him and tarnish anyone else. Secondly, if they have nothing to respond with, they resort to shaming language. They're the worst. And most of them swear they know anything when they're noobs.
@@younglove3362 Agreed. He has the worst fanbase along side Bama fans. I listen to the masters of the game (NBA Legends) and not these dumb students of the game (fans, fanboys/girls, analysts, commentators, and former basketball players that haven't played 1 NBA game)
The only stats that matter is how bulls kept coming back and beat pistons while pistons never ever come back from that 💯 facts boy
@@Aldine281 😂😂😂😂
@@Aldine281 Bulls were 1-3 vs the Pistons. that matters more.
They " got old " is such a lame excuse for losing. Spurs were older when they beat the Heat.
onidtubes did you just compare 80’s health to 2010’s health????😂😭😭nice try
@@nephviewtube7227 huh?
"Got old" is the best excuse. Father Time is undefeated
Heat were running through younger teams in the east, but " got old " when the Spurs beat them the second time they faced them. lol
They "got old" but won the prior 2 finals before getting swept by the Bulls LOL
The 1991 “Old Pistons” that MJ swept:
Isiah Thomas, 29 years old.
Dennis Rodman, 29 years old.
Joe Dumars, 27 years old.
The 2014 “Stacked” Spurs that beat LeFraud in 5.
Tim Duncan, 38 years old.
Manu Ginobli, 38 years old.
Tony Parker, 33 years old.
Did you remember "LeFrauds" team?
It's like people forgot all of the grandpa jokes they were making about the Spurs leading up to that final series.
Isiah Thomas - Detroit will always have your back. - nuff said.
Y'all thought you had a dynasty brewing and then Michael got some help and ended that
@@Mirza_Kovacevic and after mike how many rings the bulls got since..the pistons got 2004-2008
@@kamikazejetz9676 exactly
He's from Chicago!
The man Scottie told you if it wasn’t for Detroit there would be no Bulls in their dominance. I don’t understand the excuses. Would you say if the Bulls won more than Detroit that the Bulls were young.?! It doesn’t matter. There are no excuses. Detroit was better than Chicago 3-1 and that’s it. Nothing else has to be said or excuses made. Max acts like like the in 89 and 90 the series weren’t competitive. The Bulls were almost just as good they were just not better than Detroit. Max is spouting nonsense.
Finally he gave it up to the Pistons.
Scottie doesn't hardly get the respect he deserves.
Agree
floss 2 da 951 100%
What? He was named to the 50 greatest players during his prime.
@@2amaysn yeah I know and I've heard people make the argument that he shouldn't be
@@mrjdbrn but he was. That's getting respect no matter other people say.
Wish Max and Stephen let Scotty speak more. He actually lived it, they watched it. Let Scotty tell us what the Pistons represented for the greatest team ever. That was a lost moment in history from one of the top 50 players ever. Now all we have is Max forcing his opinions on us and Stephen forcing his arrogance on Max.
I think Scottie answered it truthfully and respectfully. The fact that the Pistons put that fear in Scottie and that beating on MJ to where they fear and despise them even to this day, proves how great that team was.
They explained it quite well in the Last Dance -
in short they had to improve so much and they beat the pistons in 91 because they were so good and yes the pistons had declined a little (isiah had a long hand injury if i recall correctly).
In long : In 1984, Jordan was a rookie in a mediocre team. Then thanks to Jerry Reinsdorf (the new owner) and Jerry Krause (the new GM), they eventually managed to build a great cast : John Paxson, then a year later Grant and Pippen, then Cartwright - all the way the team got stronger but was defeated 3 times in a row (in 7 games in 1989-1990 in the PO by the Pistons.
Meanwhile, for the season 1989-1990 Phil Jackson took over as new coach, and the triangle offense was implemented.
So thanks to the organization and the players, they set the whole pieces, and the team became great in 1990-1991 (i compared a little the PO against the pistons in 90 and 91 : they had all improved and most importantly, did not rely solely on MJ to score).
After that, thank you Detroit : they had learnt the hard way what it takes to win the last game of the season.
The Bad Boys were not old. It is just a myth. Isiah Thomas was 30, Dumars was 28, Laimbeer was 33, Rodman was 30. They were in their prime. The Bulls were just better. Case closed.
Max forgets the Pistons had been to War against Magic's Lakers, and Larry's Celtics, and all the other tough teams for years and were injured and exhausted . The bulls were young and hungry and healthy . It was a transition . And I saw it happen from the late 80's to the early 90's . People need to RESPECT Detroit and Isaiah Thomas cuz he's really the only guy to beat Bird,Magic and Jordan. Also the toughest team in the NBA in decades!
They beat up on other teams & it's stars. That's one of the reasons why NOBODY respects them. Facts are that EVERY team has its run & then there's a new hungry team ready to dethrone them. There's nothing new with DET
@@shaunphillips3236 You can play out whatever crusty narrative, the media tells you, but unless you were around to watch the games back then, you don't know what you're talking about.
EVERY team was physical back in those days, the Pistons just got the bad rap because they were the city of Detroit, a predominately black city, let's be real.
They we're competing and keep up with the "darling favorites", white collared LA Lakers & Boston Celtics, who, by the way, if you ever watch the finals of those 2 teams, used to fight each other very ruthlessly on a regular basis.
The Pistons were competing with those two teams at a high level and the media and society did not like that.
Detroit was made out to be the bad guy, thus the term "bad boys".
Isaiah wasn't lying when he said Michael Jordan and the Bulls weren't their competition in the 80s, the only competition they were concerned with was Boston & the Los Angeles Lakers.
Every other team was beneath them...
Scottie Pippen was an amazing player!!!!
Someone should have clued Max in on something.. It is NOT about Mike just playing with an AS. It was about the right AS and that was Scottie.. His game suited what Mike wanted to do perfectly.. Jordan ain't winning any chips with Iverson I can assure you of that..
Why does ESPN continue to try to make them beef like they keep provoking this..
Right! They didnt even play him the point of the conversation
Yo Zeke the only dude to beat Jordan Bird & Magic 💯💯
YEAH, BUT HE ALSO GOT BEAT BY BIRD, MAGIC AND JORDAN
vincespell also he beat the Lakers with no Byron Scott and no Magic after the middle of game 2 in the 1989 finals
He's beaten more players on the NBA Top 50 than any other player.
In ONE playoff run, too! All in the same year! Think about that!
I'm a die hard Piston fan and watched this in real time. I hated the Bulls MJ and Scotty but as a man, Scotty gets more respect from for his answer over what Isiah said. That is how a man is supposed to act. I also like the way Stephen Smith put as to getting through the Pistons helped make Chicago what they became. Practically unbeatable. I hated them but I am a man now and give respect when it is deserved.
Scotty and Isiah would’ve fought to the death on live TV had they seen each other lol
Pip would destroy him
Finish him, Scottie
Skol Brothers IT would’ve mentioned a future line one time and pippen would’ve started to emotionally breakdown😂 “I should’ve never got caught up with a cougar”
Zeke used to fight centers man he wasn't scared of nothing!
They edited out wen he called him one of the 50 greatest ever tho
He threw shade in that part too 😂
2:08
Steven A. Smith: Forget all that
Scottie: nah
😂
How is Stephen A going to say the pistons were older when Isaiah said, "I was only 2 years older than Jordan!! You're acting like I was like 7 years older than him!"?
Caleb Crowell you are so right , they were all close to the same age and Rodman played with the bulls years later. That old talk just ain't accurate. Good catch bro
Right out the horses mouth!! Thought Max wouldve countered with that.
@@JigInsane Max is terrible at debating when it comes to practically anything not concerning Boxing lol
I love the look on Scotties face 🤣🤣🤣. Old school grudges da best
2:00 Max: *goes on to credit Scottie
Stephen A: “ forget all that “
Scottie “ Nawww “ lmaoo
The Pistons held the Bulls down for about two or three good years cause Jordan had no help, then he got Scottie but Scottie wasn’t quite there yet. The Bulls finally matured and beat them. The Pistons were not “old”. Most of them weren’t even in their mid 30s. The Bulls just passed them up. Period.
30+ was old by NBA standards back then. Magic won his last title at age 28, Bird at 27. Over 30 was "old"
The biggest myth in the history of the nba is that the bad boy pistons were old when the bulls finally got through them. They weren’t. John sally won chips with the shaq Kobe Lakers a decade later. Zeke retired at 32. Dennis was still in his prime when he won chips with the bulls 5 yrs later. Joe Dumars retired in 99. Lambier was the only won who was old.
0:45 "get em Scottie" and the crowd hyped him up. Never get tired of that.
Isaiah Thomas speaking facts!
When the Pistons walked off the court, respect ended
Boston did the same to them..... check it out!
@@Scott-px6mi he doesn't want the truth
@@Scott-px6mi so, that makes it right? Boston was also the road team and didn't want to be there when the court was rushed
I wouldn't shake the the bulls hand either after Jordan said Pistons was bad 4 the nba ....
@@theleslielezzshowtell4513 yeah, but Pippen and Jordan got picked into Dream Team. Where was Isiah when they conquered the world in Barcelona? Oh yes, crying on national television.
Detroit Pistons maybe a few years older than the Chicago Bulls, but the Bulls never went to 4 straight conference finals add 3 straight NBA Finals for a grand total of over mileage. It’s like a new car but is getting older because of mileage. Bulls got lucky when younger and fresher legs
It's hard for me to recognize the Piston's greatness due to their tactics. For me, it goes straight from the Lakers / Celtics to the Bulls. They won, but winning does not equal greatness.
That's like saying after the Lakers 3 peat, it went to the spurs reign, Lakers again, Miami's then golden state.
We just gonna ignore the pistons and mavs?
@@altruistic3276 I'm not comparing to any other teams. Those are different situations with different teams.
@pep 7200 I agree with your sentiment. Respect is earned, not deserved.
@@bsmart826 Just watching ep 4 of the last dance. MJ shook Isaiah's hand and congratulated him on a great series and wished them luck in the finals in 1990. Magic Johnson hugged MJ after getting defeated in 1991 and they both remember that moment with fondness and joy. That is sportsmanship. Fight to the end, act graciously, win or lose. Magic Johnson interviewed after the Bull won: "If you're gonna lose, you should lose to Michael. It's a beautiful feeling, and that's how it should be."
As a bulls fan, I was never more elated or satisfied as when the bulls finally overcame and swept the Pistons. I was pretty confident we would handle the past their prime Lakers. The Blazers the next year were a different story - scary talent but we had Mike and Pip.
Duckworth was pouting.
No, what REALLY happened was that when the Pistons were the right age/ experience/ injury situation to win and the Bulls weren't, the Pistons won. And then when the Bulls were the right age/ experience/ injury situation to win and the Pistons weren't, the Bulls won. It's not any more complicated than that.
Yep!!! That's exactly what happened. Bulls lacked at least experience (Jordan young) and lost. And Pistons lacked at least health (Isiah's wrist) and lost.
Thomas was 29 ......where did this they were old b.s. come from?
That's why pippen corrected him and said they were Defeated...
Age is hardly the reason why the Bulls overcame the Pistons.
The NBA implemented the flagrant foul rule in 1990 which took the Pistons major advantage away. Also the Bulls got better as a team and they caught them at the right time.
I Am King Isiah is fine. He got his two rings and is in the HOF . There is obviously still animosity towards him and the Bulls and vice versa. And blame Bill lambeer for that walk off.
for back then that was old lol the average nba career was probably 6-8 years back then
I Am King cowardice 😂 you must not play sports. you don’t have to shake your opponents hands. That dumb idea is brought on by fans who don’t or can’t compete at a high level. It is war out there.
Scottie: “I like that Max”
PowdaToastFace Killah Stephen A: nah forget all of that
shomari1234
Scottie to SAS after that: “I like your position”
PowdaToastFace Killah 🤣
I love the dynamic duo! I love MJ & Pippen!
They took everything he said out of context smh
😂
He's 100% right. Head to head, Pistons won more. Period. Cry to your mothers.
Well, the bull fans don't care. Most basketball fans don't care..
Pistons were the dirtiest players in NBA back then. That's why they get no respect! Period. They played dirty, cheated and tried to hurt people.
U cry bcs no Dream Team slots for Isiah. They picked Christian Laettner over him, lol. CRY MORE.
Yes the Pistons did win more collectively but the Bulls never punked out they always competed. When the Bulls got em in 91 the Pistons straight punked out. They didn't want to compete anymore (not because of age) and walked off the court with their tails tucked between their legs. That's the lasting memory that people have of them and now they want to try to use MJ and the Bulls as a crutch to repair their image.
how is scottie able to bee so calm and relaxed...he is cool man!
3:12 So after all that, Isiah was right.
Well not really, Isiah said Pistons were the better team, Scottie said he admits beating the Pistons made them tougher, big difference
What I don't get though is why Pistons should get credit for that, yes they were a good team but it could have been any team in their way and they would have got past them, like Scottie said, you have to go through trials to become a champion, the fact they got throught he trials to become champions again and again proves they were always the better team, it could have been any other team in their way and they would have beaten them, does that mean that team should get credit for 'toughening them up'? I don't think so, if it was the Pistons that won and beat everyone else THEN they could take credit, to me it just sounds like a team who got second place and are still bitter about it, can't admit that Bulls were the better team - just face the music Isiah you lost to a better team, yeah you were good, but not good enough, it seems like his ego just can't admit that even 30 years later
IT not wrong. Scottie wasn’t just an all star, even before his prime
Let's also not forget that how long the Pistons had went every year and the way they played Defense which is still the best Defense till this day and only other team that could have a say in the matter is 2004 Pistons and I mean is a NBA Championship and the best Defense and won it all!! I'm a Bulls fan but I have to give love that Defense was nasty and to keep that up for that long is hard on a body every year!! Also the NBA realized that Jordan was the cash cow and not to have them in the NBA finals was not good business and the following year they started calling the ticky-tack fouls the Pistons couldn't D him up like they did the following year and the fouls they was calling they let go in years past
Make Ros Gold-Onwude the official First Take moderator. I’m tired of hearing and seeing Molly.
Make ros permanent
Nice! Scottie rocking the D. L. Hughley look.
Isiah was right! Scottie said it: "And Yes The Pistons Was That Team"
I think they missed something. IT meant if he had another all star, bulls team wouldn't win. Get him someone in the top 50 best players in the history of the NBA.
He had Joe D who was one of the best defenders in the league at his prime and a very good, all-star level player.
He also had Rodman who is the best defender and one of the best rebounders of all time, so..
@@MistaGrim We could use those arguments. But he said if he had a top 50 player in the nba, Bulls wouldn't stand a chance.
@@Salah_Hoblos I'm not even a Rodman fan, but he got snubbed from that list. Anybody who watched during the late 80s-mid 90's knows Rodman was the best defender of all time.
MistaGrim he’s a terrible person so who cares
Prime Detroit Pistons were Fathers to Lakers, Celtics and Bulls.
I remember the Detroit Pistons owned the BULLS for years. Detroit was challenging the Celtics. They were not worried about the Bulls for years. The Jordan rules were in full effect. But I agree with Isaiah Thomas. All 5 starters of the pistons were HOF. The bench were just as good. That's they won BACK2BACK championships. And the bulls couldn't do anything about it.
should have been a three-peat but they were screwd over with the Laimbeer phantom foul call
@@motownXJdad9565 I hear ya. Thats was BS!
Notify when Molly is not on the panel smh
The Detroit Pistons were back to back champions but those championships were not given the proper credit bec on how the bad boys pistons intentionally hurt their opponents. Also Isiah wants to be included in the inner circle of Bird-Magic-MJ triumvirate. Just imagine Isiah had back to back titles but he was not included in that circle. What is worst MJ is responsible on him not being part of the Dream Team bec of his unsportmanship when MJ finally bested Isiah Thomas in 1991. Isiah deserves to be in the Dream Team but MJ will not play if Isiah is in the team. Everybody knows Isiah was not included bec MJ does not want to play with him. On another note, MJ could have been the Team Captain of the Dream Team but he let Magic and Bird to have that honor. Noteworthy to mention MJ let go of his ego as well as the other NBA superstars when it comes to the games of the 1992 Olympics. Their chemistry is amazing. MJ did not have to score 50 as long as they win.
Love how my elder uncles get together at family functions and talk about their heydays. These guys are no different, only they were professional athletes lol.
Swear he looking like scottie is one of the Toni Tones lmao
NBA players agree with Max, and SAS still go at Max, further proof that he never liked Max on the show...at like he always gotta be right. Talking loud don't make you correct SAS!!!
Who walked off the court at the end of game 4. Chicago has owned the palace ever since. But, without having the bad boys to beat we would have never won 6 titles. Much respect.
Pippen doesn’t hate the Pistons, he hates Isiah specifically.
And same back. Isiah apologized for everyone but him, that’s why Jordan still holds a grudge against Isiah
Isaiah Thomas was a 3 time consecutive All NBA point Guard (84',85',86') this was while Magic Johnson was playing by the way
True, MJ's Bulls wouldn't be Bulls if it werent for the Piistons.
Bro the piston was injured and nearly made it to the ecf.
Why is Stephen A Smith saying that the Pistons were old? Why does everyone say that? Isaiah Thomas was the same age Michael Jordan. Joe Dumars was younger than Michael Jordan and the same age as Scottie Pippen. Why do they keep saying that the pictures were old
piston 2x championship (2-1 in the finals)
bulls 6x championship (6-0 in the finals)
You gon ignore the fake foul call at the end of 88 which costed us a championship
@Joshua Johnson cause scottie sold mj out in game 7
What that gotta do with head to head matchups? Pistons 3 Bulls 1. Pistons owned MJ and Scottie Too Hottie
lol that’s why he was saying head to head matchups my guy not both team compared overall
Jamal Green pistons had to face a young HOFer riddled lakers and Celtics squad every year.. bulls didn’t because they all got old 🤷🏽♂️