A Small Full-Frame Camera With 6k Video... But There's A Catch
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- The newly announced Panasonic Lumix S9 is a relatively small, lightweight and affordable full-frame mirrorless camera that's jam packed full for high-end videography features. Priced at just $1500, this could the full-frame camera you've been waiting for...
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The camera and lens shown in the video were given to me for the purpose of testing, but I intend on returning them when Panasonic request their return.
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CORRECTION: Open gate records in 6k, not 6.2k like I mistakenly quote in the video. My apologies for this mistake and thank you to the person who pointed this out to me!
7:50 - if you're doing pro work or talking heads, just record externally. And if you're doing weddings, none of its flaws matter. You'll most likely mount it or in a gimbal, caged with a handle, field monitors attached, SSD recording, and assistants holding your LED lights, and audio using boom mics or Rode Video mics with zero latency monitoring.
I haven't seen a wedding videographer doing handheld with eyes on the viewfinder.
@@TomCalton affordable? Only $1500.00? Affordable is $59.99 lol. But thanks for the info
Really bro
Camera you can afford? $1800, really?
This was the comment I was looking for I was expecting 500 usd at max but 1800, Naa
😂 I don't know why this comment is very funny for me 😄 😆 🤣 😂
Photography channels are so unhinged about prices 😂
for full frame camera, it’s actually a decent price.
@@samiadjifalahanifranggagan449 bro the word affordable doesn't stand near 1800 usd, can be cheap in its range but is not affordable by any means haha
Panasonic , if you’re watching the comments , I would say bring back the accessory port to add optional EVF.
Oooooh, they're watching alright. They're always watching... from the shadows... 👀
Anything added on top what's there would have driven the price up - or their profit margin down.
USD1,500 for a camera designed and optimized to shoot short Tik Tok reels. Yeah.
Bring back the gx lineup too 🥲
@@tim_means_heart yeah, very telling that they didn’t build this value proposition based on something like a GM5II. Without recording limits, even better ISIS - which MFT would enable.
@@TomCalton 🤣🤣🤣🤣
£1500 and not even a viewfinder.😅
This is such a shilly and propagandist review it's unbelievable. Using blatantly misleading lines such as "cheapest ff camera of 2024" when it's the only FF camera released in 2024!
It's such a poor camera and this review prooved Gerald Undone is bang on the money.
@@andyp5693 what would you recommend that is similar but can record for longer and at 60 fps? i dont care about aspect ratio at all, and im willing to go for price cuts regarding to peripherals and connectivity since i just want something for on-the-go
@@Arxgxmi canon r8, sony a7cii.. both similar sized, both can be held without a 3rd party grip and both superior in basically every way to the crappy panasonic!
@@andyp5693 both of them are the same price as this camera wtf
Honestly the film time limit is a deal breaker for me. I want something this size for travel photography/videography, but for $1.5k I would want this camera to be my travel camera AND my work camera.
For now I’m sticking with my GH5 for corporate work and my GM1 for travel.
Honestly can’t film 30-45 mins at the price is just shocking
@@SeanoDragon yeah. If it's a heat issue, I'm sure if they made the camera a couple millimeters bigger, they could have put in a better heat sync or something. For that price point the only limitation for filming should be my memory card size (and potentially extreme heat/cold).
I find it insane that they are trying to challenge fujifilm without an evf and mechanical shutter... They really did not understand what made the x100 series so popular.
Fuji seems to focus on regular photography rather than video
Small body fullframe is great and all, but I'll keep waiting for a GX9ii. Gimme tiny m43 with PDAF and some of the new gen goodies and it would be the only camera I'd ever recommend.
Tom, I’d love to see a follow-up video on the process you used to take your LR pre-sets, convert them to LUTs and then upload them to the camera, especially with your trials and tribulations included.
As a happy owner of a Fuji X-T4 with a flippy screen, I can say that the lack of EVF is not such a big deal (apart from very bright sun situations). I really like to make photos in portrait orientation, which look better on the phone, by raising the flippy screen. The usage reminds me of old-style cameras where you have to look down from the top.
I also usually shoot only with the electronic shutter both with the X-T4 and the X-Pro2 and find it much more discreet and less shaky..
I think all the its and bits provided in this camera is just perfect. Some might even crib about dual SD card slots and EVF and what not. but this is a compact camera for a specific market needs. I'm also ok with 15 minutes recording time cap. I think Panasonic has nailed it yet again.
Looks like Panasonic's answer to the Sony A7C
This is still a little cheaper though + the a7C2 & a7CR are out now & both are significantly more expensive
Great answer... no EVF, 15min rec limit, and so on... (A7C I is $1500 too)
@@DJTempa The weather sealing and EVF on the a7c's are nice to have though.
@@juandjo707but the a7c video specs are in the trenches compared to this beast
@@adletkassym9600 audio is more important then image, and a audio jack is necessary
Will stick with my Canon RP with 28mm 2.8 STM. The 26mm pancake coming out for this is f8! So with the compact zoom lens this will be bigger kit.
Are the overheating and time limits because they're pre-production units, or theyll really ship like that?
I believe they'll ship like it, unless they decide to U-turn on it in time for launch (which I think they need to do!).
Do you know if you can record onto an external drive? In some cameras if you can do that it increases the record time slightly. Only having one card slot, and a short record time are my only issues with this camera. God knows how many times I've been fucked over by 1 card slot/saved by having 2.
I recently got the GM1 thanks to your video about it and this thing looks massive comparatively 😅
Hello Lumix people, we want a successor to the GM1 and keep it on the micro four thirds system. This is also great but micro four thirds is amazing for hobbyists who just want to travel light.
I also want to see an updated GM1 ☝🏻
My vote would be an updated GM5. The EVF is tiny but works enough for framing.
For 1500$ you can get Canon EOS R8 with view finder and 4K 60p video. Or Nikon Z6 now selling below 1500.... still a nice camera.
This camera won't sell at 1500$...have to be around 1000$ to capture the market.
The people this camera is aiming for won’t go for either of those two cameras but would instead likely go for an A7C. Those other two cameras are far too big comparatively.
@@null0byte Z6 is big camera, R8 is about same weight with better specs and lens system, R8 now selling around 1300$ with discount.
For smaller and lighter cameras for travel and etc ,the M43 is the best option, but Panasonic and olympus never sold their products with discount. Eventually the M43 is always costlier system to own compared to APS-C.... that's why the M43 is doomed now , literally Canon did that job.
L mount system is not going to go anywhere unless the buyer is a Panasonic addict.
The only reason this camera is so expensive is because they need to pay for those trips to Osaka.
Pls can you tell us if they talked about a new camera model coming after this s9? We are all waiting for an S1II or S1HII
Amazing video! Very strong voice also 😂 😆 was so fun meeting you!! 🍺
Honestly, my voice is still wrecked! Osaka broke me. But I regret nothing. NOTHING I SAY!
@TomCalton I discovered the joys of lemon sour two days ago and I started to sound like you for a bit too 🤣
They need to fix the recording time limits. It seems from the reviews that most have been able to "continously" record at least 30 minutes if not 1 hour by just pressing the record right after the 15 minutes are up without any heat issues. So they are being too conservative with the limit. Plus please panasonic we need a f2.8 pancake. Seriously. Or f2 if you can keep it thin.
It's an ideologicall full-frame successor to the Panasonic GM1
And I love the way it goes!
Yeah, it's gonna be another cult camera.
I like ir, and hope it sells well. If Lumix are reading the comments, I just want a G100ii with PDAF, IBIS and an AF joystick. That'd be the perfect lightweight, vlog/content/C camera, plus it already has all the lenses you could wish for.
This camera is for those times when you don't want to carry your phone around. Never.
Yes, I always carry my full frame interchangeable lens phone.
What lens mount is it?
Hahaha! Leave it to Tom to bring the bedroom into a camera review! Well rounded and well covered opinions on this. Thanks for sharing the pros and cons. As mentioned at the end (and throughout) this isn't a camera for everyone but love how they made a full frame camera approachable for content creators who like creating on the fly, like me!
I'm happy to bring the bedroom into the camera review, but bringing the camera review into the bedroom, that's where I personally draw the line.
Thanks for the comment brother, I appreciate you!
this feels like compromise in every possible direction and for 1500, just go with aspc sony class camera
The missing small FFL is the main problem I think. Sigma has some, but we need even smaller lenses for the S9.
Amen.
no mechanical shutter, rolling shutter nightmare, no flash shoe, meh
Am i wrong for thinking that this is like a leica dlux 7 but with detachable lense? Just as a dumb comparison?
Imma wait like 7-8 years when its like 600-700 dollars then cop. I love the concept behind this, looks smaller than the a7c line up and the ZVE-1
So, I'm not much of a photography guy. I've just been looking for a handy little camera to have in my backpack and use instead of my phone (because I want to reduce my phone usage). So when TH-cam recommended this video I was expecting something along those lines. You can imagine my surprise when he dropped the price xD
hi tom,I'm planning to buy a camera recently. The price is required to be as cheap as possible, preferably full frame. There is no limit on the age. Ten or even fifteen years ago is acceptable. There is a high ISO that can be used, which means you can shoot at night. And it has pretty good focusing speed. Please recommend one. Thank you.
$1500 is ‘affordable’??
"You can actually afford" is a stretch, its nearly $1800 in USD
in Australia it's cheaper to buy the s5ii with kit lens over just this body alone don't know why I'd purchase this instead.
Awesome camera but would love an EVF, mechanical shutter, and screen shat flips like FujiFilm. I has so much potential but just misses, with a few upgrades it would really be able to compete with the A7C line as well as the Fuji X100 line.
If you had to choose one would you recommend this over the new Fuji X100 VI ?
If you don't mind it not being full frame and not having interchangeable lenses, personally, I'd go for the Fuji.
I don't know Tom. I think the A7c xx is still the better option; I don't know what the retail is, but aside from the same form factor, the EVF is a requirement for me, and did Sony put the SD slot on the side on the newest A7c? I thought they did. As always great review.
Oh so tempting… nice first look review. Thanks 👊 I’m a Fuji for stills / Blackmagic for video kinda guy so can certainly see the attraction as a funky little indiscreet b -roll camera.. (if my trusty Fuji blows up) 🤔
Time limits wouldn’t bother me in my set up but will be a deal breaker for many.
No evf is probably the biggest issue for me personally.😢
Love to see the S5 in an even smaller form factor. The lack of a corner EVF and dual SD slots make this one a no go for me. I would love to see a corner EVF (similar to the A7C) and dual micro SD slots on the next version. Give it a 30 min record limit in 4K and up the S5III to unlimited 4K record time
I just saw the PetaPixel video on this camera and I have to say: this is an absolute misfire on every front. How could they mess this up so badly and even charge 1500 for it?
What should they have included in your opinion?
@@TomCalton hot shoe, mechanical shutter, evf, grip, no video limits, and maybe not go with an f8 pancake for promotional purposes... This feels like Panasonic really does not live in 2024. And it also feels like reviewers might be a bit (or very much) biased towards getting those nice trips to Japan in the future...
They also make the S5 🤷♂️
@@944play which is a fine camera, so why make this thing? Just because it's compact? which it's not when you put a real lens on it; For vlogging? Sure, for a maximum of 15 minutes...
No, you pay 1500 for something that looks kinda nice, but that's it...
@@SA-rz6fj S9 is not a pro camera, as the fashionable colorways connote. It's a pretty appealing product to someone who wants to progress from an EOS M200.
I'd love an updated gx body with live lut and the new auto focus system.
Lack of a built in EVF would put me off. If the Sony A7C can have one, why can't this? Nice that you're not stuck with boring black though.
Probably because they wanted to make it smaller than the A7C?
@@MrHahn576 pretty much the same size
@@robmowe8090 it’s the same size if you ignore the EVF and the grip, yeah. But those things matter for people looking for something pocketable.
@@robmowe8090 i'd say that it has something to do with the ibis , sony a7c's ( and most sony ) dissasembly showed their ibis has less of a finer control of stabilization unlike lumix;s
I'm pretty sure that this is designed to compete with the Sony ZV-E1, not the A7C. It's Panasonic's vlogging camera.
People are complaining about the price- but you get a full frame, mirrorless camera that’s small enough to fit in your pocket and shoots 6K, all for under $2,000
I would love to see Panasonic give this treatment to the G9 II and create a successor to the GM5 with killer video specs.
Even though the S9 has no appeal for me (an old fuddy-duddy stills photographer), I really hope it’s a runaway success for Panasonic. I AM a LUMIX fanboy. 🤷🏼♂️
Very nice camera, it is not for professional, rather for occasional user, which are most of us. Professionals can use something bigger.
So why they put such an amazing sensor there, but limited its use in any possible way? They were so close to making one of the best travel cameras, but they ended up making camera that is pointless.
LUMIX we need a new and improved GM1!!
"Who has $1500 to blow on a camera?"
You shouldn't blow any amount of money on cameras. They should be seen as an investment.
Me
The record limit is unfortunate. I’d 100% go for it otherwise
Let's be real a body that size couldn't dissipate enough heat to record for a long time at good quality anyways
@@LindonSlaght eh 10 mins versus 20 mins could make a world of difference to a lot of folks
@@Twangaming I don't think you understand what I'm saying, the body can't dissipate enough heat to do that for 20 minutes. Do you really think if it could they'd arbitrarily limit it, and still put in high quality codecs?
@@LindonSlaght the body can. People have already shown plenty of tests of back to back to back etc recording. I guarantee you within the next 6 months there will be a firmware update to increase the recording limit
Great video mate! And even better hearing your voice!!! 😂
It's still only running at about 75% efficiency 😅
Definitely need to add the option to set the camera to High Heat mode with heavy disclaimers.
GX9 body with FF sensor, without EVF would be an ultimate deal for me
When people want budget full frame photography and video definitely go Panasonic. They are just as good as Sony in my opinion.
How can someone shoot backlit portrait (e.g. sunset) if no flash can be used?
You'd have to use exposure comp and blow out the background a bit, hoping you can fix it in post later. Not perfect, but that's how I'd do it.
@@TomCalton you know that's not a good idea at all
Sony needs to bring back the RX1 with the A7iv sensor. Keep the EVF just and an E mount.
So the next iteration of the A7C or a smaller body A7? The whole point of the RX series is of a high-end point-n-shoot or bridge camera with the built in lens.
How do you move from C1 photo to C1 video
Maybe this will force fuji to make their cameras reasonably priced and provide us with stacked sensors now
is there something similar for like 500 but less good
I think I’ll switch to Panasonic
Reasons being small full frame
If you read this Tom can you recommend any other full frame lightweight cameras?
This would be a great street photography camera to get some casual shots. That, or a good casual portable camera to get still amazing shots on.
I was really hyped for this camera in the beginning, then I hated it really strong but now after a longer thought I think I might buy it. I am using Fuji X-E4 with XF 27mm f2.8 and I also have Canon R8 + RF 35 f1.8. Most of the time I prefer taking my X-E4 due to the size but I miss IBIS and more DOF control. Canon R8 is a power camera but it's simply too big. Why S9 might be a good choice ? I rarely use EVF, I shoot basically 100% on electronic shutter and hardly ever it was a problem for me (nowadays synchro scan solves many banding issues but not all), IBIS on Panasonic would be great for short travel video and I won't hit 15min record limit ever with my hobby usage. Paired with Sigma 45 f2.8 I would still have compact package and little more DOF control than on my Fuji and LUTs for photo / video is a great add-on for times when I don't like to edit. I hate flashes so no problem for me here either. I was looking hardly at A7C II as it seems like a nobrainer but I hate Sony colors with passion, their IBIS is crap, in electronic shutter mode which I prefer most of the time sensor readout is even worse than Panasonic and generally using Sony is just not fun at all. I will just wait till the end of year for nice discounts as this price is too much or maybe wait a little longer for X-E5 with IBIS.
This camera is way too expensive for the fundamental faults it has. This should be 800 dollars with its lack of features. No headphone jack, hot shoe or EVF make it a joke at this price point. They could have made it the basically same size with these features if they want to charge that. This camera is a mistake in positioning.
No you are just dumb
I think the only a group of people will consider to buy is the L mount user want a retro style camera to carry around. But panasonic need to introduce another compact lens tho
Should have been called the s100 it’s getting about as much love as the g100.
Nice video Tom, and love the fancy aspect ratio! Beginning to think all the cool kids chose the green one... PS - Great to meet you properly last week!
The only reason I chose green is so that I can try and blend in with the cool kids. It didn't work 😅🤣
It was such a pleasure meeting you Gordon 😊
This camera disses in Sigma FP in their L-mount with the sheer size. As a photo center camera is plenty for today's creators in that price. Maybe get it in a sale in the end of the year?
Honestly, they should just have the camera stop recording when it gets close to overheating and not have a set time limit. Since when the camera overheats depends heavily on the environment temperature.
Panasonic know this. I wish reviewers would call it for what it is: an attempt at market segmentation (though if I were flown to Japan and given a camera, I'd probably gloss over it too tbh!)
@@MrJed_s fair point. It really doesn't make sense otherwise
Nice cam, but imho for 'direct sharing' an m43 sensor would be enough. It would mean better stabilization, smaller and lighter lenses, longer recording without overheating. and for the weight they could easily fit a tilting EVF inside.
Yes, I just want a GX9II
honestly thatd make sense , gx9ii pairing for their g9ii
I would have said they went with FF to sell more L-mount lenses, but then they forgot to create any decent tiny lenses for launch...
overheating (which is the reason for the recording limit I guess) is getting a big issue for me, it's even there in more expensive cameras
is it really so hard to add a small fan or just design cameras so they don't overheat in all of their recording formats?
thats like offering a video game console with a resolution mode that you can only play for 30 minutes.
I nearly have to spent 6000€ for a camera just to not get any overheating issues.
We need new GM1
Sounds like either the Software is a bit buggy but with my S5 the Lightroom exported LUTs look the same. You just have to match the PictureStyle. If your Lightroom Edit uses Adobe Color or SDT then you have to use it in the Camera aswell. Maybe it was in Vlog, then it would be way to flat.
Sadly not quite the Small FF Camera I hoped for. maybe they will release a more photocentric one with mechanical shutter down the line.
I like that you can use 2 LUTs, so you can use you Video VLOG to Rec709 ConversionLUT as Base and then you Style LUTs after. Hope this comes to the S5 II X.
I also hope that some people see the benefit of LUTs more. I you use the same LUT in every talking head video you can safe time by just using it direktly but I think people are just too stubborn and keep using VLOG and edit after.
One on my wishlist is this, but for the price, nah, i have no budget hahahaha
I use Lumix cameras from the beginning and the 30 minutes limit on my G9 has been a limit to work with till now. So 15 minutes is too small...
its a no from me I use my gx800 or gx8 to do this even OP3....then for bigger things GH6
If only I could “actually afford” it
Lots of criticisms regarding this camera by photographers, but they are missing the main point of this camera, it is designed for the content creator, the one who creates short-form or long-form videos. This is primarily a vlogging camera, like the Sony ZV series, not a stills camera. If you keep that in mind, what Panasonic kept in and what they took out make sense.
Well... except for the cold shoe, they could have at least put in a hot shoe and offered an optional shoe mounted EVF, like Canon did with the M6Mk2.
Having said that, the Canon R8 is the same price, and is not that much larger.
Is 1700€ for a medium specs camera cheap? Are you totally nuts?
Imagine thinking you can get a better camera under 2000€ that can fit in your pocket have a full frame sensor, be mirrorless and take 6k videos😂
Can’t wait for the rebadged Leica version!
Look forward to similar model from Nikon. May looks like Z30 but with bigger sensor.
needs to be able to retrofit MFT and maybe FD lenses before I jump ship from my old GX80
Can anyone here please tell me what is that Band T shirt the guy holding the camera is wearing at *0.42*
It's a band called The Hot Damn (www.thehotdamn.com/)
@@TomCalton Thanks bro ❤️🤘
my guy is a fun of everything
Viewfinder, grip, F2.8, shutter, headphones port - left conversation...
So sad that it doesn't even have a in-built flash, I think the lack of mechanical shutter killed that idea. But still, you'll be missing out on flash fun with friends.
That’s crazy. The last l checked, Black Magic’s pocket cinema line is at $1200 starting. So, this is definitely not affordable.
Does the Nikon Z8 have a mechanical shutter? Because I didn’t think it did. And no one moans about that. Everyone is up in arms about the S9 not having one?? What’s occurring?
I like it, it reminds me of my gx9.
But it's colorful, small-er than most full format cameras and affordable . Maybe this S9 is Lumix's way of bringing the full frame to the average consumer.
The S5ii is on sale for $100 less than the launch price of this crippled S9. It needs to be half the price to make it a compelling purchase. It was suppose to a full frame interchangeable version of a Fuji X100Vi but just came out a hot mess.
lack of a mechanical shutter is a no go
Yes, unless if it was a global shutter
Could you explain the problem?
@@JosueRodriguez08 Lack of a mechanical shutter means that unless the sensor comes with a global shutter (all pixels read out at the same time), you will see rolling shutter distortion such as moving objects looking slanted or wiggly once the image is taken.
@@JosueRodriguez08 Just to expand on Moonstone's comment, you can see an example of this distortion at 10:32 with the old couple and the warpy poles and bushes in the background.
@@samohara5187 are you kidding? There is no rolling shutter on that example
No mechanical shutter? No EVF? If I don't shoot videos, why would I need this camera?
If you NEED to have those things, then this isn't for you.
Gotta say,without mechanical shutter I don't really want it. The photo quality is questionable, especially since finding a gm1 to.keep.in my pocket,it's not so much smaller compared to,say, Sony a6400 with pancake 28 mm lense... I love that they got rid of evf which I don't need for street photo but getting rid of mech shutter doesn't make sense. I feel like betting on saving money and buying Sony a7cii or Fuji xt50 is a much better option even though they are slightly bigger in size.
I traded in my two GH5s for Sony a while back. The S9 will not be tempting me back. Besides the 15 min rec limit, the lens options are not good. I never got on with the Pana lenses on the GH. And, a slow 20-60mm does not get my heart racing. The S9? Interesting but it's not for me!
I wonder how much money does Panasonic wanna squeeze out of that 24.2MP sensor, this is like the probably the 5th camera using that 5 year old sensor. Wished that they took S1H's tilt rotatable screen design though, would have been amazing as a street photo/video cam for this small cam.
when I saw the "affordable", I was like I need this. then I saw the price and almost died
They cut enough out of it that it should be affordable. But I seriously bought my brand new S5II for less than they are selling the S9. Cut it by $500 and I am tempted. Cut it to $500 and I will for sure buy one.
This camera feels like a missed opportunity. It's great that they decided to use the S5II sensor with IBIS and all video modes, but unfortunately the lack of a mechanical shutter is a deal breaker for me. I guess the camera would have to be a little thicker and more expensive, but the usability would be on a different level. The lack of a mechanical shutter means there is no need for a hot shoe, which further limits this camera for any serious photography work. Finally, there is no EVF, and I agree that in many situations you don't need one, but if you're shooting travel, landscape, or street photography and want to quickly review your photos on a bright, sunny day, you just need an EVF to make sure you got the right shots. I think Lumix could create an electronic viewfinder as a separate, detachable accessory for this camera. So in the end, this is not the camera for me, before the premiere, when I was reading all the rumors I had great hopes that it would be my dream hybrid mirrorless, full-frame camera.
I don't quite like it, it reminds me of the Sigma FP but with less options.
will buy in 10 years
One modest and cheap camera this is, only $1500 😮