Abandoned Mining Dragline Operational?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2011
- Koehring Dragline
This is the old Koehring Dragline abandoned on our sapphire claim. It is a model 205 and has the serial number: C5266. We were very close to getting it home but after being jerked around a bit by the Forest Service had having the motor shot out of the old girl I doubt it will ever leave this spot again let alone work. Damn shame in my mind. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
used to operate a Ruston Bucyrus 30 RB for nearly 6 years in gravel pit. its a machine that commands respect . who ever shot your machine needs a good thrashing with a lump of 2x4
Shots into the valve train and oil-pump too. It isn't like shoplifting a candy bar and a welder will not fix it, It will take us a full day to get it down the hill and everyone will know who has it and where it went. The government steals from you, not the other way around.
Where is this at? Ive been "Stealing"-if you want to call it that, from the forest service for years. Namely, Ive found old equipment out in the woods... did some research to make sure its not on private property... then go out and get it and take it back to my home to be fixed/restored. I see it as saving the item from rust and asshole hunters. The forest service sees it as "stealing". Would be glad to save this if its still around and near by!
Don't let those bullet holes stop you! Get in there and get that thing, the adventure is being able to get it, as long as you have the money for the logistics. Granted i didn't have to drag mine 5 miles out of the boondocks but I brought two home and it was more fun getting them than having them ( if that makes sense.) anyway good luck!
thanks for trying to save it
Easy-to-find engine. Probably the same as the model M or Model H four-cylinder farm tractors. These engines were sold as OEM power units for many different implements. Another really common engine from IH was the big six-cylinder "Diamond" series found in trucks.
It’s amazing how much old machinery is abandoned in Idaho and Montana.
I love finding it.
Thinking of the stories it may hold.
2 summers ago, I found an old Link Belt Speeder shovel near an old mine in Idaho. Pretty well complete.
The location was deep in the Idaho backcountry, not sure how it ended up there. They must have walked it in… I’m guessing in 1930s. Probably took a few weeks to do if not a summer season.
My condolences. What a lovely piece of history.
Ryan Long Truly.
I feel your pain. we had two travel trailers stolen off our property in SE oregon. like the county sheriff said " there's an element wherever you go. your right it's just a waist.
Yes. My condolences also. What a sad sad day. Iam so sorry. I know how u feel. So close but so far away. Been there. What a piece of history now forever wasted.
Rick Reid Getting it out was lily always a pipe dream but it will be ever so much harder now.
You are right.
Damn shame - good on you though for trying to save it. Some people are builders and it sounds like you would have preserved that machine for future generations.
Oh man, that thing is.... perfect! Keep us posted on the progress of this thing, but by all means necessary, DON'T let this be sold for scrap!
I'd for sure like to be updated on this! :)
Its sad that people would destroy something awesome like that
I was mining Saphire in Australia 30 years ago. If it were on my claim i would probasbly spend a day or two getting the engine up and running before worrying about shifting it as it might just be what you need on the claim to move loose rock etc. The climate in that part of the world is very sympathetic to machinery I am told.
that is a damn shame.my friend had an old as hell d-8 dozer on his property of 500 acres. he only used it every 6 months but it still worked pretty darn well. one day a guy talked him into letting him go hunting in the same area as the dozer. the dozer at that time hadn't been run in about 4 months so it looked like it was abandoned. the guy shot it in about every critical part,like he was meaning to make it totally in-operable.continued...
It is definitely sad to see this old piece of machinery just rott away. In the North East there used to be a lots of these just laying around from mining. Most of them have just been cut up for scrap.
Thanks for the reply, hope u get her goin, damn beautiful machine, if possible and u get her goin please make more vides of it... Thanks!!
From what we can tell only the water jacket only. Someone had a brilliant idea to drill and tap the holes to seal them with 1/4 pipe plugs. I love simple solutions like that. Trouble is one of the shots went square into the oil pump housing too, still looking for a bolt on. If I can get the 5 ton up next to it I will pour some oil in the intake and see if she is seized or still turns over. At least I hope to this summer.
My buddy has a old Koehring like that. Motor was shot so what I did was find w 3-71 detorit and it fit like a glove. Old girl still works to this day in my buddies sandpit loading trucks as fast as they come in. So if you can find a 3-71 you would be in great shape.
I agree it might be fixable. I ran a northwest model 95 and later a model 9570 (air operated) rig at a potash mine for almost 8 years.. It was a constant battle against the elements. But the things are usually surprisingly easy to fix. I might be able to help.
@mattm1495 It isn't so much finding a motor, the chain drive means most anything could be used, it is getting in up there. It is still more than five miles to anything more than a jeep trail. I do admit we never should have asked for permission from the FS, we should have asked for forgiveness. The 5 miles is as much a barrier to cutting it up as it is to fixing it. For the moment I think the girl is safe.
Hey so if you want, i can tig weld the holes up with silicon bronze onsite and get it running.
What happened to the one at Ace Dismantlers?
justin
Mill creek. Central. Live. Steamers
What is the name of the FS guy and what office was he in in MT? They have no sovereignty over a patented mining claim.
Id like to know who he is because we are dealing with similar issues coming soon.
thanks,nice vid.
so what happened to this dragline? did you replaced engine?
No, more parts are missing and we haven't seriously had a crack at it yet. I doubt it will ever run with that motor again.
FIX IT DONT SCRAP IT
Don't give up and let the elements or others win . Surely another piece of machinery can be brought in and this crane can be dismantled so you can pull it out to be recovered , I m sure you could find volunteers willing to help if you spread the word.
Originally the Forest Service told us not only was it our problem but we would be fined money for each month it sat there. When we contacted them and said don't fine us we are coming to get it, they immediately called back and said that we couldn't move it and they would fine us if we moved it as we didn't own it. In effect it is abandoned and we do own it in a way, as does the family of the now deceased man who left it. First come first serve, no one is in a hurry.
@NoModzJustSkillz I would try to get the boom loose and cut the cables, remove the two in sections with a very big excavator. That or pump the pond down. IDK sounds like professional removal is in order. Do you have any video of it?
Is it still there I might be interested
If its something you really want to mess with the dragline guru in the US is in Penn. Gerharts his name he sell everything under the sun for draglines of all types.most draglines were built in the midwest so if you find something might be east of you. Dont give up if it means something to you. Good luck
in dealing with any unit of government, local to larger, it's always easier (and less complicated for both sides) to ask forgiveness than permission
that's a dam* shame. The last one of those machines I have ever found was in a swamp and me and my buds lost my grandfathers D8 cat dozer trying to get it out. Its still in the swamp next to our dozer. I'm pretty pissed but bro that machine is still in wonderful condition and so worth taking the risk of restoration.
Yea, that was a really nice finding. Sucks about the bullet holes man.
my dad just picked up a ud9 the other day but its stuck and we live in Maryland but i,me sure they are around were you guys able to rescue the crane
The one thing you have going for you is if it is sold for scrap it will probably go cheaper than if you would have bought it outright. If you could get ahold of it at that point, those old IH motors are a dime a dozen. It appears to be about the size of an M or Super M motor and you can buy whole tractors for 6-800 bucks as organ donors to fix this. Dont give up because for sitting that long its in amazing shape.
xxxTripleB I agree and I also only 15but enjoy seeing a neat peace like this this does not mean it could not be out front of their shop.
Really cool find. Hope you can do something with it! I went to look at a swather a guy was trying to sell a couple of years ago. Whe we walked out to it it had been shot up too......by his teenaged son. His bullets destroyed the engine.
Bigfork is on the Northeast corner of Flathead Lake. 40 miles from Glacier National Park. Also in the Kalispell area if that helps. Cheers
Interesting piece of equipment and story. What mineral are you mining - sapphires, as I see in another of your videos?
+Gregory Parrott Yes Sapphires.
+NelsonStudios Knowing nothing of what's involved with mining, I am amazed to see how much ground has to be processed for something like an ounce of gold and yet somehow, it's still profitable.
It's a shame though that someone shot the Koehring rather than let it live again.
Nice machine, a D-2 or D-4 cat should drag it to the spot where you ,can get a lowboy. even a loaded dump truck may pull it. The engine is pretty easy to find I believe the same unit that is in the Farmall M tractor. Parts are readily available. Oil up the tracks and get her out of there. I have dealt with government tree hugers on equipment I pulled out of the woods and know what you are dealing with. Save that old girl good luck. Phil
Could you try to start it?
Those hole cane be repaired, someone shot six holes in the engine block of our Massey Harris eight years ago when we was working in the woods. My father welded most of them back up and used JB-weld on the two we could weld, and she is still running today.
yes, the U is the designation assigned to "stationary" self-contained power units found in cranes, shovels, compressors, welders, sawmills, etc...
does the u there code fore stationary engines
If you have a claim in Ca. the Forest service cant stop you from cleaning up your claim site. If the gov. hasn't claimed the dragline then as long as its not fixed or " attached to the ground, then equipment, motors, and vehicles are yours if its on your active claim. I think we might have a motor like that in our parts yard at the ranch we farm rice on.
do you still have it?
wow what a cool find.
Years ago, an Ole Timer was teaching me how to cast, turn, release and pull the bucket. I did it once and got the lines tangled. It took a day for unwind those heavy steel cables, but it sure was fun. Learned how to start an old D6 CAT with the pony motor and operate it. I just don't see how anybody can just shoot those things. There might have been someone or an innocent animal in there. Either way, it's ashame and the lows lifes that did are Azz holes.
"you gotta move that or pay a fine but you can't have it or move it" sounds like good government to me, they are probably the ones that shot the damn thing trying to get fines from you..
Were you flying in the beginning?
As you see it. There is an update video attached and you can see that she hasn't changed at all.
How long do you figure its been sitting there?
What a fucking shame! That is one adorable old rig right there.. I would love to have it! People have to ruin everything
a 3-71 detroit will fit in it. my body has a 205 and when the old IH motor gave up the ghost we put that power unit in there and the old girl lives again.
Never tried a post on these before. I tried already but... Anyway the machine looks like it may even be the one my dad had in the 1950's in Gallatin Valley. Power was from a WD9 tractor. They started on gasoline and then ran on diesel. Weight was about 16 tons
This one is about 90 miles from Gallatin Vally so that is very interesting. Whay years did he have it? Do you know any more about your father's? Maybe a feature he changed or fixed and I can check next mining season. Their can't be many of these around Montana. you can email me at acme66{thisiswheretheatgoes}yahoo{thisiswherethedotgoes}com
wait, if its on ur claim, how come you cant move it?
Damn it! Looks like would be fun!
what state is this?
Well they look like they go all the way into the cylinders but I will probe them with some wire later this year when we go up. One of the shots also hit the oil pump and f'd up the mounting surfaces... that could be a deal breaker. I still maintain the block is trash but will check again.
Did you get this started?
when my friend tried to use it 2 weeks later he found it loaded up with bullet holes. not only did he have to walk back home in the pouring rain(because his son gave him a ride and thought the crawler would take him back) he lost only god knows how much dirt in a landslide,3 fencelines and about 10 cattle,all of which were on the dirt at the time of the landslide which could have been avoided with the help of making a drainage path with the dozer!
I hope you get the problem solved with the head tree huger. I have dealt with them when moving equipment from federal lands. You need to bite your lip and just go along with there BS, about all you can do they are in the drivers seat. That machine could use most any engine to run it I believe it is a clutch chain hookup and not a direct bell housing unit. Good luck and hope it all works out from the last time I left a message. Phil
I never really cared for old machines like this, unless it was a car/truck but I'll tell y'all right now, that is a crying shame that someone shot that motor to shit. A crying shame
Looks like a 71 series Detroit Diesel engine to me. If so, they are a dime a dozen and a replacement should be very easy to find.
It's not a gm look at the flywheel housing
Yes, it is. GM had well over 60 different flywheel housings and this is typical of their crane installations.
I've seen enough detroits in 40 years to know.
No, it's not a 71series or any other GM diesel. Tell us what series of GM diesels have carburetors, start on gasoline, and then switch and run on diesel fuel?
@@stanpatterson5033
IHC only
I also own several claims in that area. I could use some advise.
Wow that is a damn shame, some people just don't care, cool find though!
Patch the holes in the block!!!!!
The engine looks like an IH u9 (gas) or a UD9 (diesel) or a u6 or UD6. both are a common engine, the 9 is found in all td9 crawlers and wd9 tractors. Same with the 6 ( td6,wd6, and farmall MD) I understand your frustration,but it is a clean piece. Just go get it and tell the F.S. I don't know what happened to it. I'll come help.
Including the price for gas, beer, and a little welding rod and juice for the buzz box, the total was 12$, in our pockets. The guy couldn't see that the tractor would be worth much so he paid us 20 bucks to haul the thing away.
If the motor cranks over and nothing major got cracked jb weld the holes with a couple applications nice and heavy fire it up and drive as far as it will go have to change the engine any ways
I understand what you are saying but there is so much hardship they could cause for us if they wanted to. I hear you but I am not going to do it.
Aw, this made me sad.
Total shame
Anyone know what happened to it. At the time of this video i would happily say the machine still had a future.
Road was obliterated and the machine was shot up for a few years. We have a road back in bit there are holes through the block now so a new motor would have to be sourced and the Forest Service still would never let us take it.
appears to be an IHC U6 industrial power unit, basically the same engine is in the Farmall M, W6, and T6,,,, The IHC U6 & UD6 (diesel), U9 & UD9, U14 & UD14 engines were all very common in Keoring machines and similar-sized Bucyrus-Erie's... as someone here had already said, a small dozer will pull that thing down and onto a lowboy, and there's ways to let that boom down safely without its own power...
Go find you an old international tractor and drop 6 bolts the whole front seperates from the rear. That is all it is and you have you a new power plant. If the block was not cracked you can move it by pressurizing cylinders with air.
are you shore you c
ant weld them holes up
Engine is indeed a International engine, looks to be a IH Farmall W9 engine.
they have got these staple things for cast iron. basically drill pilot holes on either side of the crack and beat em in. work like youd never believe...if you get cracks around them bullet holes might save ur butt.
If u ever need help workin on it let me know. Me and alot of people in my family are diesel mechanics, my grandpa had a similar crane the he rebuilt, I'm from IL but it would be worth the travel to get her goin again
people that does things like this makes me sad :( what a piece of machinery that would be restored :(
what a shame.....
Hey man try to get her going, if the shots didnt go to deep the motor maybe ok. Throw some new oil and filters, if the motor is bad try ur hardest to save her!!!
Some snow on the ground, temps in the mid 30's and overcast everyday.
Don't ask again! Just take it! Better to ask forgivness than permission!
If we had to do over... Removing it would have required a big CAT and some road work, they probably would have noticed.
Considering the location of the shot placement, it was by someone who knew how to disable an engine block, as usually people that shoot up random stuff go for the glass parts first not the engine block. Pretty sure Mr. Forestry service or the previous claim owner came by and plugged it to ensure that it wasn't useable by yourself or anyone else unless you dumped a new block in it...which imo, I'd do. You own the claim land, its been there for years, common law ownership if its been abandoned for that long!
Weld up up the hols in the block, head, etc. get new gaskets and through it together it will run again I see potential
Don't give up on her! That's a part of history there. You cant get the low boy up there to get her. I'm surely there is some way to get her out of there. Make a freaking road to it. "DONT GIVE UP"
Terry why don't you go and get the thing. Talk is cheap, so you get all your money and you rescue the thing. Don't be telling others to do something you are not prepared to do yourself.
That must be a Marker, for something...
Could you please post the ACTUAL NAME of the person at the Forest Service? If people would do this whenever they have a problem with the OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS ,it would make SOME of them more considerate of us taxpayers.
Poor old machine.
I think I would have just moved it any how
I applaud your effort to reclaim the machine. Sorry for the typical government run around, and especially for the true moron who thought it was cool to shoot the machine. It takes just one idiot like that and everybody assumes all hunters are bad which is far from true. Best wishes from Bigfork MT
Can't you search for a used engine block and oil filter in a junkyard to replace the damaged one
Depending what motor(s) are used, it may be saveable if you find a similar one of a wrecked truck or something :)
As far as forest service goes they can f-off, not their land :)
You could just patch those holes.
Esa maquina se ve muy sana Si el IH TD 9 no esta pegado, lleve un poco de gasolina y algo de Diesel y una bateria cargada y esa maquina estara funcionando bien y con poco dinero He recostruido Bay City y Bucyrus en peor estado que esta
there is always a way
If you could drop the boom and take it out would cut down the size, that machine is fairly light, would not need a ground huger lowboy. Remove the track drive chains to free up the tracks to pull it, with a loaded dump truck. Dealing with tree hugers and gov types can be frustrating, I have pulled out most of my hair. I retired from the Dredging industry and have dealt with many groups, all with there own agendas. Good luck with your machine and claim. Phil