She knows, she won't let anyone else prove themsleves. I think it should be illegal to use gemateria in housing and education and self expression and faith and worship. I don't like the new system now. It puts the cart before the horse, has too limited people, too much sexism, too much fat and mom - shaming, plus, Nick and Rick Carter would get their head out of their asses, too much limit on feamale vocalists ages compared to men. To hell with class votes, I decided my class is criminally insane, and Christina Aguilera is too oppressive. Plus, She retroactively owes me for part of her career you defrauding woman.
I can sing Mariah’s entire range excluding her whistle register. But does it really matter? No because I sound like trash hitting an F2 all the way up to an G5 so the notes don’t really matter. It’s pretty much just random noise
What makes Mariah special is her ability to utilize and use her range well , she can shift from her lower or upper register with ease and good execution.
Exactly! The reason Mariah is so widely loved as a vocalist is because besides having an incredible vocal range, she can back it with a gorgeous tone throughout her entire range. There's not a single part of her range where she sounds grating and harsh. And, most importantly, she has great musicality and taste over when to showcase her moments. She's amazing at toeing the line of over-singing where it's never overbearing, but just enough of runs, belting, transitions, and occasional whistle notes to be exciting and emotive, while weaving in some breathy, more subtle vocals for textural variety.
@@OpinionatedZoomer69 she still can. Even though her nodules are acting up , her musicality to adapt is very evident nowadays. Plus , she can still reach her low notes and whistle register.
Unfortunately Mariah has not only the range, but the technique, the control and insane AGILITY... which made her what she is...forgot she is a composer too and creates her melodies people u gotta have more than JUST RANGE...
Mariah knows how to use her range to create beautiful music. Her range actually served a purpose and it is to serve us with songs that tell stories which a lot if not all people can relate to.
Exactly. I noticed that she also lacks control. I find myself more drawn to Haram and Pharita's vocals that Ahyeon's, even though naturally, I would be more drawn to her tone than the others.
Hell, Billie Holiday barely had a full octave left at the end of her career, and she's considered one of the greatest singers of all time. For good reason too, because vocal range and power are just aspects of singing. It's why Xtina is hated by so many people. She can hit amazing notes, but she often struggles to convey nuance. It's also what makes Mariah so amazing. She uses her range like a box of paints, her musicality is unrivalled to the point that I really feel her voice is just an actual instrument stuck inside her.
xtina? 😅 well not current xtina then. tbh ppl are starting to let go of their bias and appreciate her. i mean she has the full package of an artist. she has the tone, she can and does convey emotions, she has the musicality. what ppl don’t like about her is her technique& technical choices; but dw she has others assets.
You hit the nail on the head with this take! If we were to go solely by vocal range to decide who the greatest singers are, then Billie Holiday, would be far from the top. It just goes to show that it takes a lot more than vocal range to be a great emotive singer. Billie with only 1-2 octaves can carry so much soul, emotion, and wrap it all in a beautiful tone and powerful lyrics. I agree with your take on Christina. I love her voice. She has one of the most amazing tones I've ever heard - just so gorgeous and rich. But the way she's so aggressive with her vocals, constantly over-singing so harshly at the extremes of her range as if she feels the need to remind us any chance she has: "Look! I can sing!" She does have some stellar moments though, of which I'm a fan. I love what you said about Mariah and the paint analogy! Her 5-octave range is impressive technically, but what makes her an incredible *LISTENABLE* singer, is her musicality. She has amazing taste of when to showcase her moments. She's amazing at toeing the line of over-singing where it's never overbearing, but just enough of runs, belting, transitions, and occasional whistle notes to be exciting and emotive, while weaving in some breathy, more subtle vocals for textural variety and complex background layering. And there's not a single area of her range that doesn't sound pleasant because she has a beautiful tone to back up her range.
WORD. But it also depends on genre. Range and vocal prowess/power are literally the LEAST important aspects of jazz singing. Billie is one of my jazz idols and in terms of sheer ability to express emotion using the voice itself (and this is a skill and ability...emotion, voice, and music aren't mutually exclusive and those who say otherwise are idiots), Billie is where it's at. And while Mariah could do all that in her prime, she really is past that. She absolutely done damage to her voice and she's even admitted it herself.
Hi, the soul and emotion christina puts into a song is something that many people would wish to have! Sorry its something that you should not try to have. you either have it or you dont! So many church singers love her, and its because of that!
Mariah is a rare act, I don't know if she discovered singing or writing lyrics first because her musicality is insane, the range is impressive but she knows how to create music with it.
Mariah's greatest advantage as a vocalist is her musicality. Where she places every little riff and run in perfect places and the intricate melodies she comes up with. That's why it's very rare for someone singing her songs to divert from the original melody of songs she wrote and sounding good because everything is already perfectly-placed. Add the fact that her tone is also naturally-beautiful even without all the acrobatics and boom. You have all the perfect ingredients.
I agree, quality over quantity! Having both is rare and that is what set a vocalist like Mariah Carey apart. Outstanding control over her vast range. Magnificent musicality. Preference of tone is subjective but like beauty, it lies in the eye of the beholder and the beauty of her tone had countless beholders. Shout-out to Minnie and Chante as well!
A huge range doesn’t make you a great singer, but in Mariah’s edge is that she perfectly has demonstrated her ability to use her range to its max ability. Her ability to control her whistles, not even just riffs and runs, but even THE TEXTURE is something I’ve never been able to see someone else do. Her belts are like butter, her low notes root into your soul, her tone is so comforting and enjoyable. No, range doesn’t make a singer good, but a GREAT singer can utilize their range to its fullest extent, and she has.
Finally someone said it😅 So many people try to use range as to why certain people are better singers and range does not matter. People don't even care about technique accept people who just wanna feel validated in there fav as the best but I don't think majority of the world care about that, they like who they like by sound👀
Imo quality of tone (which, yes, is subjective) and what you do and how you use the range you have is more important than a wide range alone. I can squeak out a G#7 when a bug 🐜 lands on me, but it’s not like it sounds good. I’m not a singer at all but I do like to think I have an ear
Agreed! Tone and musicality are more important! A wide vocal range is great to have, but not enough to compensate for not having great tone and musicality. I find that people with very wide vocal ranges tend to over-sing as if they feel the need to prove that they can really sing. But some of the most effective singers who might not be as impressive technically, can do a lot more with a limited tool-set, because they've learned to make the most of the notes that do have. Obviously, if you have both - if you can back up an amazing range with a beautiful tone and great musicality, then you're really blessed! (Mariah immediately comes to mind)
Large range doesn't make you a great vocalists indeed but using The Songbird Supreme as an example that excels in virtually any part of her range whistles dont have a role on her vocal prowess but when she uses her super high or low they contribute to her musicianship and not singing voice and nobody is as accomplished as Mariah using her range in song it's never over done
@@CrazyTreYer but sounds like pavarroti and Britney Spears at the same time, the high and lower registrer are completely disconnected, sounding like 2 different people. Too exaggerated, overacted classical, weird
Vocal range doesn’t necessarily makes someone technique, sound better. Havin a wide Vocal range is borderline useless if the singer cant sing well. But if you can sing well. Having a wide vocal range makes you a better vocalist by alot. Like for example, Mariah. The bad example ones is georgia brown
People with large ranges tend to sing to try to impress others without regards to to the song. That woman you shown on American Idol probably was NOT joking that's how some people sing.
A wide range doesn't really mean anything if you sound like a dying cat, so it's not really a flex. However, it's a different story if you could sing that range. It's the reason why I can't flex my "wide" vocal range whilst Mariah can since she sings and utilizes it while I just make random noises.
I think the best example for this theme i can think off is Ariana Grande and Normani. I think both have a range that spends from like C3 to E7 which is like 4 octaves and 4 semitones, which is pretty impressive range but the difference in technique and overall control is really massive. I love both Ariana and Normani, but there's no doubt that Ariana completely slays Normani in absolutely everything, all registers, technique, control, musicality.... I think this is best example that big range doesn't guarantee a good singer. And i'm not saying Ariana is flawless cause she isn't and i'm not saying Normani can't sing which really isn't true cause Normani can sing beautifully, those are just pure facts.
Y'all really need to stop using Normani as an example to put someone above her. No hate but I've seen so many people use her as an example to glorify someone being better. Normani hasn't even touched the surface on exploring her full vocal potential. She seems unsure of her abilities so comparing her to Ariana someone who is fully confident in her abilities and has experimented every inch of her vocals is a bit unfair. Maybe compare a singer who is on her level and has explored more vocally. No hate just saying.
tbh you got a point but i don’t think it’s fair to compare normani to ari. even tho mani has hit 7th octave notes here and there, out of all 5H members she wasn’t the one who showcased / showed off a big range-that would be ally or dinah for example. mani often sings in her mid range
@@whoevr it is pointless, it's an unfair comparison because Normani seems afraid to show her full vocal abilities. People use her alot to compare many artists and even her former group members. It's odd especially comparing Ariana of all people to her? 🤔
HAHAHA i mean he's not wrong.. 😂 but damn he was on the Charlie clip for so long as he was talking about the piano player analogy - someone who has a lot of range but unfortunately, "plays like a crazy person" 😂
Let's say, even if you completely remove Mariah's head voice and whistle notes, she is still a top tier vocalist. She can show enough impressive things within two octaves and less
I think a good example of amazing range but not that great of a vocalist, and i know a bunch of people won't agree, that's okay, would be Dimash! That's right, Dimash! The guy is an alien in terms of high octaves, but in terms of actual singing and giving emotion to it, i think he's not that great!
great point. it also hit a pet peve of mine that is bad falseto with male singers (catches my attention more often). If you can't produce a intentional clear and powerfull sound why go there?
Huge range can impress but it does not mean always nice singing. Barbara Streisand and Ella Fitzgerald have probably 3 octaves or a bit less range, but in my opinion are the best known singers of the 20th century.
Exactly! That’s why when the reporter said “7 octaves” she just looked down and laughed, cause anyone with at least a little bit of music knowledge knows well that 7 octave is pretty much the whole piano AKA impossible hahaha, I feel like Mariah was probably like “this ignorant chic” haha
@@sinhueherrera8984 she would never say what her range is; it would put unnecessary performance pressure on her, plus I'm sure she'd rather maintain that "mystery" and the "ooh, I'm just a natural singer" factor. There is a reason you almost never see pop stars talk about their vocal training or technique. I'm sure it's a PR thing. I heard they even make their teachers sign NDAs
I think she really doesn't know cuz she said she wasn't trained formally and her mother only taught her basic singing techniques but it's her exposure of different genres and influences which honed her talent more.
@@eleeveeayees3425 lmao you people are unbelievably naïve... She is a top tier world class singer and songwritter, you think she doesn't know her own vocal range? How can you people be so gullible it's beyond me
i always say things like range are a nice extra. especially if you've worked hard to gain a bigger range and aren't just blessed by the gods lol. average ranges are fine. most people have them and most people sing decently. singing is about understanding your voice and putting it to good use to either connect technically or emotionally. we put way too much pressure on people to be these perfect aliens. and in a way that kind of leaves artists to be underrated and under appreciated. i don't know about you but i would rather listen to a passionate human being singing than a robot. as always, thank you for the hard work you put in with these videos!!! ❤
Can you please do a video on who you think is the better vocal group between NMIXX and Baby Monster?? There is a lot of debate around this topic but I would like to hear from someone who actually knows what they’re talking about to an extent.
Mariah swears she doesn’t know how many octaves she covers … but, I don’t know if I believe that. Her mom was classically trained, and trained Mariah early on. Mariah says herself how much time she spent working on her range .. but, she hasn’t ever taken 5 minutes to scale? I don’t know why she shies away from that question. Too much pressure, maybe .. trying to be modest .. idk
Fr all I understood from this video is 1/big vocal range doesn't mean anything 2/what means something, though, is to be able to master super high notes Yes, I do have a complex
I just wish they didn't have this stupid " favored" system in the first place. How can you prove by a vote of classmates that Danielle Wolfe didn't deserve to have a music career? Otherwise, it is just fancy legal racketeering.
A great example is Georgia Brown, she had an 8 octave range right? But she never succeeded in music because it didn't sound great. Hell, even people with amazing technique can sound " Meh " because it doesn't mean they sound good. You can use all highly intelligent words and spell them correctly with the right meaning and still write something not worth reading and music is the same way.
I always see this “video creator” who always seems using Mariah Carey as her video cover or subject (not in a good way) to gain views and depends what he always believes..😅
Can someone tell me the difference between KVA and CVA (don’t know if the name is correct) vocal analysis and which is superior because I have seen people arguing about it.
So...am I getting the implications incorrect? Are you insinuating that Mariah DOESN'T use her (let's face it:) superior vocal range properly? She's only mentioned and shown in the beginning...and it's usually during a negative comment...so, I ask you... Do you think Mariah has/has ever mastered her vocal range? (spoiler alert: This answer will directly be tied to your musical knowledge credibility) Truth be told, it doesn't take a Lamb to notice that your past vids, when Mariah is being compared, you rarely A) Give her respect amongst the 'Greats' and B) Don't share the right clips, only bad quality ones and then compare them to an amazing performance from another Trinity/Greats member. Again, if I'm taking the implications incorrectly, I apologize, today's been a day and a half for me. Either way, I find your vids entertaining, and I keep watching, if nothing else but to yell at my computer;)
I’m afraid you are; Mariah is consistently praised and used as a positive example throughout my content I truly have no idea where my bad reputation among lambs has came from, it doesn’t make much sense
@@aintnootherfan I apologize then:) I can only speak to my experience on your channel, and I hope other lambs read this and maybe give you a little bit of a break, because I DO believe you think she has talent...but the choice of clips (again, could be outta your control due to copyright), or maybe you just use inferior clips of parts of songs where there are ICONIC live options and then its compared to an amazing part of another artists live performance, it just seems like you include Mariah because she's considered one of the GOAT's, but use inferior clips to show she's not as good as others....I dunno...if you had to rank the Vocal Trinity, like no skipping around, literally naming 1 then 2..then 3...based on your channel and underhanded sleights at Mariah, I bet she's last out of those 3, right? Anywho, like. I said, I'll still be watching...and I get its all subjective (to a degree)...to use the beginning analogy in your video above : Mariah plays with the skill of someone with a small piano, but the options of a big piano. Or one that I've coined which describes her: The Speed of a Machine Gun and the accuracy of a sniper rifle (at times in her career). I didn't get that from the part of the video where you showed Mariah. Love your love for music! Keep it up!
Exactly, I actually thinking about range is better, but it really wasn't. I actually sounded bad in 6th octave. So, I stick having a comfortable range by almost 2 octaves (F2-E4)
I have one: Tamar Braxton(range and vocal acrobatics focused singing) and Toni Braxton( emotive and stylistic focused singing). Now, they're both sisters and were trained by their mother there's no question about their technique but they're vastly different when it comes to their singing. Tamar has a tendency to show her range by taking it to it's extremes and general over singing, this has cost her in some performances.
why are you only use mariah's clip for the intro only? why aren't you use her for the best example of how she can utilize her wide vocal range?🤨 mariah carey for thumbnail and intro only? disappointing. you only use her for clout.
Yes but Tamar is the better singer. She just never became popular for her music like her sister Toni. Don't get me wrong, I love Toni's unique deep voice, and she knows how to use it.
@@ThabangRejoiceSengani From the little I've heard from Tamar she can sang sang! In both they have great technique but use their voices in vastly different ways.Tamar is definitely the better vocalist, she's does more vocal acrobatics. I think the sisters suit the topic cause Toni sticks to their strengths vocally, and utilize her instrument to it's best capabilities. And Tamar is a more complex vocalist and the riskier one, I feel in some of her performances she pushes her voice to it's extremes which sometimes doesn't work out for her.
Hey buddy, can you please make a video on singers like Dimash Qudaibergen. I really really want you to hear him and I want you to study such voices and explain it in detail. Would love to analyse singers like him from your perspective. Thanks for your efforts in advance❤
Someone finally said it. Range means nothing if you don't use it effectively or well. Mariah was able to use her entire range insanely well. She used her great rich tones, control, power, agility, colours, dynamics, textures to create incredible vocals arrangements that are pleasing to listen to. She oversings on many records but do they sound that way? No. It's tastefully executed, including her whistles. Whistles are just piercing, slightly annoying high notes if they are not used well in the melody (like Mariah, Minnie, Chante...) or arrangement. I think thats why people get annoyed with Christina, or why people think she has such a "big" voice but nothing to show for it (so to speak). We know she's gifted and has a wide range but she oversings ALL THE TIME. And the worst part? It sounds like oversinging and it gets annoying. Like I said, Mariah, Beyoncé, Jhud....gospel singers etc do oversing sometimes but they execute it better to where is satisfying to hear.
This! And she's also able to manipulate the texture of her whistles! There's variation between peircing, metallic, mellow, airy etc. I thank God that I was born at the same time where I was able to witness this greatness (and of course, miss Whitney and miss Celine too. The vocal trinity ❤️).
You only showed one example of Ava Max’s singing. I still don’t understand how she lacks control compared to Halle. Do you have more videos doing an analysis of Ava’s vocals?
Things mariah doesn't know:
- How high her voice can go
- Jlo
Congratulations! You’re pinned😎😎
@@aintnootherfan omg no way aaa
Don’t forget Demi
That was so Foul lmao
She knows, she won't let anyone else prove themsleves. I think it should be illegal to use gemateria in housing and education and self expression and faith and worship. I don't like the new system now. It puts the cart before the horse, has too limited people, too much sexism, too much fat and mom - shaming, plus, Nick and Rick Carter would get their head out of their asses, too much limit on feamale vocalists ages compared to men. To hell with class votes, I decided my class is criminally insane, and Christina Aguilera is too oppressive. Plus, She retroactively owes me for part of her career you defrauding woman.
I can sing Mariah’s entire range excluding her whistle register. But does it really matter? No because I sound like trash hitting an F2 all the way up to an G5 so the notes don’t really matter. It’s pretty much just random noise
thank you andrew garfield 😂
dang andrew can hit a G5
Bro you’ve been a lamb forever!! I see under every MC video😭
oh my god :((( i haven't seen a comment of yours since the disappearence of mariahxlambily
@@mademiosellezandiii7729same ive been seeing him since i was a baby lamb in 2018 😭
What makes Mariah special is her ability to utilize and use her range well , she can shift from her lower or upper register with ease and good execution.
Her artistry and musicality are brilliant and what make her an outstanding artist.
Exactly! The reason Mariah is so widely loved as a vocalist is because besides having an incredible vocal range, she can back it with a gorgeous tone throughout her entire range. There's not a single part of her range where she sounds grating and harsh. And, most importantly, she has great musicality and taste over when to showcase her moments. She's amazing at toeing the line of over-singing where it's never overbearing, but just enough of runs, belting, transitions, and occasional whistle notes to be exciting and emotive, while weaving in some breathy, more subtle vocals for textural variety.
They way she also use it super artistically too
*COULD* not so much these days😬
@@OpinionatedZoomer69 she still can. Even though her nodules are acting up , her musicality to adapt is very evident nowadays. Plus , she can still reach her low notes and whistle register.
Unfortunately Mariah has not only the range, but the technique, the control and insane AGILITY... which made her what she is...forgot she is a composer too and creates her melodies
people u gotta have more than JUST RANGE...
Mariah knows how to use her range to create beautiful music. Her range actually served a purpose and it is to serve us with songs that tell stories which a lot if not all people can relate to.
Exactly what I was saying. Recently YG said that Babymonster’s Ahyeon has the highest range but that doesn’t make her the best vocalist
Exactly. I noticed that she also lacks control. I find myself more drawn to Haram and Pharita's vocals that Ahyeon's, even though naturally, I would be more drawn to her tone than the others.
And they also never said that she is the best vocalist in the group 💀
@@helloyou2253 their fans who call her the best vocalist, even dare to compare with Lily NMIXX 💀
Hell, Billie Holiday barely had a full octave left at the end of her career, and she's considered one of the greatest singers of all time. For good reason too, because vocal range and power are just aspects of singing. It's why Xtina is hated by so many people. She can hit amazing notes, but she often struggles to convey nuance. It's also what makes Mariah so amazing. She uses her range like a box of paints, her musicality is unrivalled to the point that I really feel her voice is just an actual instrument stuck inside her.
xtina? 😅 well not current xtina then. tbh ppl are starting to let go of their bias and appreciate her. i mean she has the full package of an artist. she has the tone, she can and does convey emotions, she has the musicality. what ppl don’t like about her is her technique& technical choices; but dw she has others assets.
helppp but isn’t he a good pianist ? like he is know for that right-
You hit the nail on the head with this take! If we were to go solely by vocal range to decide who the greatest singers are, then Billie Holiday, would be far from the top. It just goes to show that it takes a lot more than vocal range to be a great emotive singer. Billie with only 1-2 octaves can carry so much soul, emotion, and wrap it all in a beautiful tone and powerful lyrics.
I agree with your take on Christina. I love her voice. She has one of the most amazing tones I've ever heard - just so gorgeous and rich. But the way she's so aggressive with her vocals, constantly over-singing so harshly at the extremes of her range as if she feels the need to remind us any chance she has: "Look! I can sing!" She does have some stellar moments though, of which I'm a fan.
I love what you said about Mariah and the paint analogy! Her 5-octave range is impressive technically, but what makes her an incredible *LISTENABLE* singer, is her musicality. She has amazing taste of when to showcase her moments. She's amazing at toeing the line of over-singing where it's never overbearing, but just enough of runs, belting, transitions, and occasional whistle notes to be exciting and emotive, while weaving in some breathy, more subtle vocals for textural variety and complex background layering. And there's not a single area of her range that doesn't sound pleasant because she has a beautiful tone to back up her range.
WORD. But it also depends on genre. Range and vocal prowess/power are literally the LEAST important aspects of jazz singing. Billie is one of my jazz idols and in terms of sheer ability to express emotion using the voice itself (and this is a skill and ability...emotion, voice, and music aren't mutually exclusive and those who say otherwise are idiots), Billie is where it's at. And while Mariah could do all that in her prime, she really is past that. She absolutely done damage to her voice and she's even admitted it herself.
Hi, the soul and emotion christina puts into a song is something that many people would wish to have! Sorry its something that you should not try to have. you either have it or you dont! So many church singers love her, and its because of that!
Mariah is a rare act, I don't know if she discovered singing or writing lyrics first because her musicality is insane, the range is impressive but she knows how to create music with it.
It's about musicality and quality of sound, not the frequency stretching olympics
Dimash fans… 🌚
lol yes 😂
That make me smile🤣 because yes, u have all the reason
Real. OMG 😂
Exactly, thank you! 😂
Omg they always use the D8 excuse
Mariah's greatest advantage as a vocalist is her musicality. Where she places every little riff and run in perfect places and the intricate melodies she comes up with. That's why it's very rare for someone singing her songs to divert from the original melody of songs she wrote and sounding good because everything is already perfectly-placed. Add the fact that her tone is also naturally-beautiful even without all the acrobatics and boom. You have all the perfect ingredients.
I agree, quality over quantity! Having both is rare and that is what set a vocalist like Mariah Carey apart.
Outstanding control over her vast range.
Magnificent musicality.
Preference of tone is subjective but like beauty, it lies in the eye of the beholder and the beauty of her tone had countless beholders.
Shout-out to Minnie and Chante as well!
Absolutely!😁
If you wanna be a great vocalist, first of all, you have to have proper development and technique.
A huge range doesn’t make you a great singer, but in Mariah’s edge is that she perfectly has demonstrated her ability to use her range to its max ability. Her ability to control her whistles, not even just riffs and runs, but even THE TEXTURE is something I’ve never been able to see someone else do. Her belts are like butter, her low notes root into your soul, her tone is so comforting and enjoyable. No, range doesn’t make a singer good, but a GREAT singer can utilize their range to its fullest extent, and she has.
Finally someone said it😅 So many people try to use range as to why certain people are better singers and range does not matter. People don't even care about technique accept people who just wanna feel validated in there fav as the best but I don't think majority of the world care about that, they like who they like by sound👀
I don’t think he is talking about technique he is talking about range.
@@Spacerecord-yv5oz I know what he is referring to dude I'm not dumb. I mentioned technique to make a point of my own....
@@littlemixwillsurvivelittle976 oh ok I guess you are talking about kpop fans who keep saying only support means good vocalist. It annoys me too.
@@Spacerecord-yv5oz nope I don't listen to kpop I'm talking about all kind of fans from several different artists around the world.
@@littlemixwillsurvivelittle976 oh ok
Imo quality of tone (which, yes, is subjective) and what you do and how you use the range you have is more important than a wide range alone. I can squeak out a G#7 when a bug 🐜 lands on me, but it’s not like it sounds good.
I’m not a singer at all but I do like to think I have an ear
Agreed! Tone and musicality are more important! A wide vocal range is great to have, but not enough to compensate for not having great tone and musicality. I find that people with very wide vocal ranges tend to over-sing as if they feel the need to prove that they can really sing. But some of the most effective singers who might not be as impressive technically, can do a lot more with a limited tool-set, because they've learned to make the most of the notes that do have. Obviously, if you have both - if you can back up an amazing range with a beautiful tone and great musicality, then you're really blessed! (Mariah immediately comes to mind)
agreed
Large range doesn't make you a great vocalists indeed but using The Songbird Supreme as an example that excels in virtually any part of her range whistles dont have a role on her vocal prowess but when she uses her super high or low they contribute to her musicianship and not singing voice and nobody is as accomplished as Mariah using her range in song it's never over done
Watching this video, the first thing that comes to my mind is Dimash
For me he sounds horrible. That guy can hit high notes but sounds girly and disconnected from the rest of the rest of his voice
His voice is annoying. Never liked his singing.
@@chrisg9292 what? I like his voice. I know he’s overrated but he’s a good vocalist
@@CrazyTreYer but sounds like pavarroti and Britney Spears at the same time, the high and lower registrer are completely disconnected, sounding like 2 different people. Too exaggerated, overacted classical, weird
Like... he have the range, but I dont feel any emotion when he sings,he only cares about showing off his high and low notes
A wide range sure does help, but at the end of the day it's about how you utilise it
I will showing this to whoever justify range is everything
Mariah is MUSIC 🎶💯❤️
Vocal range doesn’t necessarily makes someone technique, sound better. Havin a wide Vocal range is borderline useless if the singer cant sing well. But if you can sing well. Having a wide vocal range makes you a better vocalist by alot. Like for example, Mariah. The bad example ones is georgia brown
Exactly
Hi dahling :)
Facts after facts, dahling.
@@daydream10.18 hi dahling
@@emc2era988 hello, dahling. Queen Mariah's coming back this year. The lambs are fed. 😛
People with large ranges tend to sing to try to impress others without regards to to the song. That woman you shown on American Idol probably was NOT joking that's how some people sing.
A wide range doesn't really mean anything if you sound like a dying cat, so it's not really a flex. However, it's a different story if you could sing that range. It's the reason why I can't flex my "wide" vocal range whilst Mariah can since she sings and utilizes it while I just make random noises.
Having both range and talent/hard work/skill/technique/musicality etc is hard
Thank you for adressing this. I've seen this so much when people compare vocalists.
I think the best example for this theme i can think off is Ariana Grande and Normani.
I think both have a range that spends from like C3 to E7 which is like 4 octaves and 4 semitones, which is pretty impressive range but the difference in technique and overall control is really massive. I love both Ariana and Normani, but there's no doubt that Ariana completely slays Normani in absolutely everything, all registers, technique, control, musicality....
I think this is best example that big range doesn't guarantee a good singer. And i'm not saying Ariana is flawless cause she isn't and i'm not saying Normani can't sing which really isn't true cause Normani can sing beautifully, those are just pure facts.
Y'all really need to stop using Normani as an example to put someone above her. No hate but I've seen so many people use her as an example to glorify someone being better. Normani hasn't even touched the surface on exploring her full vocal potential. She seems unsure of her abilities so comparing her to Ariana someone who is fully confident in her abilities and has experimented every inch of her vocals is a bit unfair. Maybe compare a singer who is on her level and has explored more vocally. No hate just saying.
tbh you got a point but i don’t think it’s fair to compare normani to ari. even tho mani has hit 7th octave notes here and there, out of all 5H members she wasn’t the one who showcased / showed off a big range-that would be ally or dinah for example. mani often sings in her mid range
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right??? i haven’t seen a lot of ppl compare normani to other artists but it’s kinda pointless to do that 😅
@@whoevr it is pointless, it's an unfair comparison because Normani seems afraid to show her full vocal abilities. People use her alot to compare many artists and even her former group members. It's odd especially comparing Ariana of all people to her? 🤔
Typical camiila Stan 😑🙄✋. Leave normani out your mouth.
Range is a gift
Charlie Puth shown during the negative piano 😂
i was also like...the shade😂😂😂 i cannot......
HAHAHA i mean he's not wrong.. 😂 but damn he was on the Charlie clip for so long as he was talking about the piano player analogy - someone who has a lot of range but unfortunately, "plays like a crazy person" 😂
Chante Moore is phenomenal. Her control is sublime ❤
Let's say, even if you completely remove Mariah's head voice and whistle notes, she is still a top tier vocalist. She can show enough impressive things within two octaves and less
I think a good example of amazing range but not that great of a vocalist, and i know a bunch of people won't agree, that's okay, would be Dimash! That's right, Dimash! The guy is an alien in terms of high octaves, but in terms of actual singing and giving emotion to it, i think he's not that great!
Agreed.
Exactly, you can have 7 octaves and only sing 2 of them well. The octaves are just that, more or less notes options......
Thank you!
great point. it also hit a pet peve of mine that is bad falseto with male singers (catches my attention more often). If you can't produce a intentional clear and powerfull sound why go there?
This is like when K-pop idols just scream and people praise them for their high notes like bruh they’re literally just yelling
Vocal range and control always go hand in hand for me.
Huge range can impress but it does not mean always nice singing. Barbara Streisand and Ella Fitzgerald have probably 3 octaves or a bit less range, but in my opinion are the best known singers of the 20th century.
Oh God, somebody talks about it! 🙌🙌
I wonder if people actually believe Mariah doesn't know her vocal range
Exactly! That’s why when the reporter said “7 octaves” she just looked down and laughed, cause anyone with at least a little bit of music knowledge knows well that 7 octave is pretty much the whole piano AKA impossible hahaha, I feel like Mariah was probably like “this ignorant chic” haha
@@sinhueherrera8984 she would never say what her range is; it would put unnecessary performance pressure on her, plus I'm sure she'd rather maintain that "mystery" and the "ooh, I'm just a natural singer" factor. There is a reason you almost never see pop stars talk about their vocal training or technique. I'm sure it's a PR thing. I heard they even make their teachers sign NDAs
@@giannis_tar that's exactly what it is lol
I think she really doesn't know cuz she said she wasn't trained formally and her mother only taught her basic singing techniques but it's her exposure of different genres and influences which honed her talent more.
@@eleeveeayees3425 lmao you people are unbelievably naïve... She is a top tier world class singer and songwritter, you think she doesn't know her own vocal range? How can you people be so gullible it's beyond me
Is about thw tone & textures of her voice alongside side by side with her range
Amazing thought
i always say things like range are a nice extra. especially if you've worked hard to gain a bigger range and aren't just blessed by the gods lol. average ranges are fine. most people have them and most people sing decently. singing is about understanding your voice and putting it to good use to either connect technically or emotionally. we put way too much pressure on people to be these perfect aliens. and in a way that kind of leaves artists to be underrated and under appreciated. i don't know about you but i would rather listen to a passionate human being singing than a robot.
as always, thank you for the hard work you put in with these videos!!! ❤
@ The Kpop Industry
😂😭
idols mostly don't have high range tho
@@ghazale1987 Singing higher is still the metric for a strong vocalist there. It’s why most idols damage their voice
@@ghazale1987 they do
@@ghazale1987 a lot of idols have a high range
Can you please do a video on who you think is the better vocal group between NMIXX and Baby Monster?? There is a lot of debate around this topic but I would like to hear from someone who actually knows what they’re talking about to an extent.
Mariah swears she doesn’t know how many octaves she covers … but, I don’t know if I believe that. Her mom was classically trained, and trained Mariah early on. Mariah says herself how much time she spent working on her range .. but, she hasn’t ever taken 5 minutes to scale? I don’t know why she shies away from that question. Too much pressure, maybe .. trying to be modest .. idk
yes 👏 yes 👏 yes 👏 couldn't agree more!
Fr all I understood from this video is
1/big vocal range doesn't mean anything
2/what means something, though, is to be able to master super high notes
Yes, I do have a complex
Why is Mariah Carey the thumbnail for this when her musicality is undisputed? & U spent the first 45 sec on her too? ☠️
That Chante performance 🤯
this is such a lovely topic…. please inform these numnards that’s range doesn’t not equal talent
Chante Moore wow 😮❤
IM EARLY FIRST TIME 🎉
I just wish they didn't have this stupid " favored" system in the first place. How can you prove by a vote of classmates that Danielle Wolfe didn't deserve to have a music career? Otherwise, it is just fancy legal racketeering.
Thought might see sohyang bere
WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT CHANTÉ I MEAN THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL
I thought I’d see Morissette here. HAHAHA
Don't know her.
@@jaypaidincash who are you?
@@estifanojesiejhonf.5841 someone that doesn't know her
You should please do a live video again ❤
A great example is Georgia Brown, she had an 8 octave range right?
But she never succeeded in music because it didn't sound great.
Hell, even people with amazing technique can sound " Meh " because it doesn't mean they sound good.
You can use all highly intelligent words and spell them correctly with the right meaning and still write something not worth reading and music is the same way.
She doesn't have 8 octave range wtf
@@seraex8209 She's literally in the book of world records for it
I always see this “video creator” who always seems using Mariah Carey as her video cover or subject (not in a good way) to gain views and depends what he always believes..😅
Wheres Brandi small range good solid notes and runs.
Can someone tell me the difference between KVA and CVA (don’t know if the name is correct) vocal analysis and which is superior because I have seen people arguing about it.
What’s that?
Cvt
@@pigeonsandplanes5805 oh it’s CVT thanks 🙏
The Shade dou...
So...am I getting the implications incorrect? Are you insinuating that Mariah DOESN'T use her (let's face it:) superior vocal range properly? She's only mentioned and shown in the beginning...and it's usually during a negative comment...so, I ask you... Do you think Mariah has/has ever mastered her vocal range? (spoiler alert: This answer will directly be tied to your musical knowledge credibility) Truth be told, it doesn't take a Lamb to notice that your past vids, when Mariah is being compared, you rarely A) Give her respect amongst the 'Greats' and B) Don't share the right clips, only bad quality ones and then compare them to an amazing performance from another Trinity/Greats member. Again, if I'm taking the implications incorrectly, I apologize, today's been a day and a half for me. Either way, I find your vids entertaining, and I keep watching, if nothing else but to yell at my computer;)
I’m afraid you are; Mariah is consistently praised and used as a positive example throughout my content
I truly have no idea where my bad reputation among lambs has came from, it doesn’t make much sense
@@aintnootherfan I apologize then:) I can only speak to my experience on your channel, and I hope other lambs read this and maybe give you a little bit of a break, because I DO believe you think she has talent...but the choice of clips (again, could be outta your control due to copyright), or maybe you just use inferior clips of parts of songs where there are ICONIC live options and then its compared to an amazing part of another artists live performance, it just seems like you include Mariah because she's considered one of the GOAT's, but use inferior clips to show she's not as good as others....I dunno...if you had to rank the Vocal Trinity, like no skipping around, literally naming 1 then 2..then 3...based on your channel and underhanded sleights at Mariah, I bet she's last out of those 3, right? Anywho, like. I said, I'll still be watching...and I get its all subjective (to a degree)...to use the beginning analogy in your video above : Mariah plays with the skill of someone with a small piano, but the options of a big piano. Or one that I've coined which describes her: The Speed of a Machine Gun and the accuracy of a sniper rifle (at times in her career). I didn't get that from the part of the video where you showed Mariah.
Love your love for music! Keep it up!
Definitely, if Wide Range is the basis then I should be Rich by now lol. But majority of those notes that I produce are just Scratches 🙃🙃🙃.
Exactly, I actually thinking about range is better, but it really wasn't. I actually sounded bad in 6th octave. So, I stick having a comfortable range by almost 2 octaves (F2-E4)
i wish you gave more examples i'm really curious
I have one: Tamar Braxton(range and vocal acrobatics focused singing) and Toni Braxton( emotive and stylistic focused singing). Now, they're both sisters and were trained by their mother there's no question about their technique but they're vastly different when it comes to their singing. Tamar has a tendency to show her range by taking it to it's extremes and general over singing, this has cost her in some performances.
2:12 That’s not even a whistle , that was falsetto 😭
why are you only use mariah's clip for the intro only? why aren't you use her for the best example of how she can utilize her wide vocal range?🤨 mariah carey for thumbnail and intro only? disappointing. you only use her for clout.
😂
you guys are never happy
Morissette is not being appreciated enough.
She has the range but, to me, she lacks a personality and an essence as a singer, I feel like she’s great but boring
.....who?
Yeah thats what I thought Morrissette is having a great vocals but there is something lack unlike charice shes phenomenal.
I think Tamar Braxton and Toni Braxton would be a great example for this video.
Yes but Tamar is the better singer. She just never became popular for her music like her sister Toni. Don't get me wrong, I love Toni's unique deep voice, and she knows how to use it.
@@ThabangRejoiceSengani From the little I've heard from Tamar she can sang sang! In both they have great technique but use their voices in vastly different ways.Tamar is definitely the better vocalist, she's does more vocal acrobatics. I think the sisters suit the topic cause Toni sticks to their strengths vocally, and utilize her instrument to it's best capabilities. And Tamar is a more complex vocalist and the riskier one, I feel in some of her performances she pushes her voice to it's extremes which sometimes doesn't work out for her.
@@KenBarbz I definitely agree
Hey buddy, can you please make a video on singers like Dimash Qudaibergen. I really really want you to hear him and I want you to study such voices and explain it in detail. Would love to analyse singers like him from your perspective.
Thanks for your efforts in advance❤
the charlie puth shade ☠️
Cocaine is a hellofa drug - Rick James
So far chante Moore has the best vocal performance for 2023 she ate that stage all the way up and we all should be obsessed
Make a video about Jacob Collier (The living musical god)
You didn’t even use clips from Mariah??
exactly.. disappointing. though they only use it in the beginning just for the intro🙄
Probably to avoid a stans war 😂
Someone finally said it. Range means nothing if you don't use it effectively or well.
Mariah was able to use her entire range insanely well. She used her great rich tones, control, power, agility, colours, dynamics, textures to create incredible vocals arrangements that are pleasing to listen to. She oversings on many records but do they sound that way? No. It's tastefully executed, including her whistles. Whistles are just piercing, slightly annoying high notes if they are not used well in the melody (like Mariah, Minnie, Chante...) or arrangement.
I think thats why people get annoyed with Christina, or why people think she has such a "big" voice but nothing to show for it (so to speak). We know she's gifted and has a wide range but she oversings ALL THE TIME. And the worst part? It sounds like oversinging and it gets annoying.
Like I said, Mariah, Beyoncé, Jhud....gospel singers etc do oversing sometimes but they execute it better to where is satisfying to hear.
Sorry but Minnie who?
@@muhammaddandi7242 Minnie Riperton.
@@krissy9128 oh thanks
This! And she's also able to manipulate the texture of her whistles! There's variation between peircing, metallic, mellow, airy etc. I thank God that I was born at the same time where I was able to witness this greatness (and of course, miss Whitney and miss Celine too. The vocal trinity ❤️).
You only showed one example of Ava Max’s singing. I still don’t understand how she lacks control compared to Halle. Do you have more videos doing an analysis of Ava’s vocals?
I would take Ava over Halle any day
😭😭😭😭funniest joke of the day
@@kingjayjay434 i literally hate Halle voice so much. It’s technically sound yeah but boring and her tone annoying imo
Least Ava tries to maximize her vocal abilities instead sounding like she singing a white church hymn all the time
@@causeyje5791 halle's tone not being for you is very understandable I will give you that
@@causeyje5791ava doesn't really emote enough if at all like Anita Baker once said she's just singing halle sangs
i love 4 octave range Tina Turner's powerful voice and never liked Mariah Carey or Whitney Houstone
Aww, good for you. 🥹🫶
Chante Moore is a true vocalist.