The lack of even Main Pre-outs is a major fail to me. No way I'd pick this over a Denon X3800h for $1100. X3800h + Full Dirac upgrade is a better deal than the MA9100HP. The cheapest 2 models are a good selling point for small systems or 2.1 setups in a non-theater area. I love the look, especially the White, and Class D amps, but not being able to add more power to the system is a major oversight compared to the competition.
What do you need the pre outs with the top line model? It has plenty of power, if its class d amps are decent, what do you need external amp for? And currently these d-class chips are great. I wonder how well this one sounds.
Definitely interested to see your review if you get one. I think JBL understood the assignment here. Class D for a smaller and hopefully cooler form factor that can actually power a full set of 9 speakers for people who were never going to use an external amp. Only drawback is it seems like there's not much tinkering you can do unless you pay for direct which puts them in another price class
I slapped a 510 in my bedroom 2 days after Best Buy got the white ones in stock.. I've got a little 3.1 setup in there with my old Infinity speakers. Honestly, for $600 it's perfect. I have zero complaints. It replaced an $800 (2006) JVC receiver which is out for repair.
If JBL, Harman Kardon, and Arcam got the same governor, I'm just wondering if they'll be sharing any ideas. After all, they all got something they could bring to the table.. JBL - software Harman Kardon - high fidelity Arcam - sound
I just saw the white one at Best Buy on the main aisles for 399 and thought it was a type-o. It was the most stunning looking AV receiver that was not at their Magnolia showroom. I wish I took time to figure out how to demo them.
These new JBL units should appeal to more casual users who don't need certain features and want to keep things relatively simple. One of the biggest draws for me would be the color LCD menu on the 9100 and 7100. No more pecking around the small monochrome LED displays and/or needing the remote control to change or confirm settings. I'd like to see this feature on more receivers.
I've been looking at these for the last few days.. I was hoping these had an 11 channel version ..but no dice.. ( So sad ) Nice to see come extra coverage on them.
@@mfgillia7606 I live in Canada, current big box store pricing on RZ50= $2200, RZ70=$4200. Interestingly, Crutchfield USA is currently listing the RZ70 @ $1999, but in Canada it’s $4,199. Even though the exchange rate fluctuates almost hourly, that’s well over $1300 higher. I picked up a lower level R740 2 years ago on sale for a landed cost of $1238. (inc 12% sales taxes), and have been quite happy with it.
@@Audiomainia2310 Not in Canada. Last time I checked (5 minutes ago) $2200 @ Best Buy and Crutchfield. I’d loved to have been able to pick one up for $1000, but had to settle for an RZ740 2 years ago for $1100 plus taxes. Audio pricing is like real estate - location, location, etc.
These may very well fit the use case of someone looking for a basic, no frills application not at all interested in - or long since tired of - chasing the FOMO brass ring.
🤔🤔 mmm for me this receivers lack to many features for the price you paid for even so if they have better components or DAC example you can get way more features with the Denon X3800H 11.4 processing for just brand new 1,300 on Amazon .but anyway is good we have a new competitor in this segment market , more competion better options and price for us
guys, just asking, what are those extra features that you talk about? Top model has dirac, plenty of power, should run cool as it is class d so I do not need extra amp... what are those missing features? Tidal connect? Good app? What is this "little extra"? What AMP and DAC is used on these that is not good enough in your opinion? What is the power supply that it is not good enough?
@TechnoDad I’ve finally saved up enough money for a new avr I can afford the 6800h do I get it or save money and get the 6700h it’s going to need to last me a while being a big purchase
@@TechnoDad thank you for the response I did end up ordering the 6800 from electronicsexpo their customer service team was top notch with helping me with my purchase and it’s supposed to be in tomorrow I will be scouring your videos to help me get it set up thank you for all that you do
Seems like a miss all around compared to Onkyo/Denon equivalents. The lack of pre-outs is a super big miss in my opinion for the top ones along with on average 2 less channels. Onkyo NR7100 is 9 channel no pre-outs for cheaper and right now Onkyo RZ50 is on sale for $999 with 11.2 pre-outs and full Dirac live included, and Denon x3800h can be had similarly in price without Dirac included but Audyssey XT32 is no slouch. I spent $2000 on my 60lb Onkyo RZ70 with 11.2 channels and full Dirac live w/ bass control upgrade ($350/500 extra) and the JBL MA9100HP costs $1600 plus probably $350 upgrade for full band Dirac live with no bass control option ever so for $1950 vs $2000 I think it's a no brainer which is a better buy. Looks wise these look amazing compared to either Denon or Onkyo is the only thing that they have going for them imo.
Subwoofer outputs are NOT discrete 😞. Definitely not with JBL's EZSet EQ, and quite likely the same even if one opts for the Dirac Live upgrade... and therefore super 😞😞😞. Shucks! ...for their top two offerings could have made for perfect 2.2 Channel setups.
Yeah, what a shame more receivers don't have discrete stereo/assignable RCA sub-outs. With models like these JBLs, the only way to get proper stereo sub-outs would be to use the assignable speaker terminals. Your subs will have to have speaker inputs... or you'll have to use a convertor like the newly-released SVS SoundPath Speaker Level Subwoofer Adapter.
@@TechnoDad S/N ratio is 0.5% at 1 watt on the entire line. I can get an Onkyo RZ-50 with Dirac and 120 WPC at 0,008% for less than JBL's flagship. Actually it was just on sale for $999.00 at Crutchfield. And class A/B - this won't fly. Plenty of Class D amps for less. True enthusiasts will never touch this.
I think you should spend more time showing the product. Like show it up close in the front, side, back etc. not really necessary to see you on camera the whole time. If you are going to review audio equipment then people want to see the equipment, also let us hear it as well. Otherwise I like your content.
You definitely didn’t listen.. he said he sent them an email for product review (meaning he doesn’t have it). He also stated he wants to try it out with gaming (also implying he doesn’t have the product).
You just stole my mind, I was thinking the same about a two grand model with Auro upmixer and maybe DIRAC installed..... can you try to speak with JBL about that?😉
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The lack of even Main Pre-outs is a major fail to me. No way I'd pick this over a Denon X3800h for $1100. X3800h + Full Dirac upgrade is a better deal than the MA9100HP. The cheapest 2 models are a good selling point for small systems or 2.1 setups in a non-theater area. I love the look, especially the White, and Class D amps, but not being able to add more power to the system is a major oversight compared to the competition.
Yeah, I would agree. The cheaper ones are the ones to buy for smaller spaces.
What do you need the pre outs with the top line model? It has plenty of power, if its class d amps are decent, what do you need external amp for? And currently these d-class chips are great. I wonder how well this one sounds.
I want to get one but no preout for fronts is deal breaker at 1200. Deal breaker like the slim lime. Marantz slime line has pre outs.
Definitely interested to see your review if you get one. I think JBL understood the assignment here. Class D for a smaller and hopefully cooler form factor that can actually power a full set of 9 speakers for people who were never going to use an external amp.
Only drawback is it seems like there's not much tinkering you can do unless you pay for direct which puts them in another price class
Yeah, I definitely want to check it out.
Was at Bestbuy and they had the cheapest model on display. The White smoked glass faceplate really stands out. Its definitely a looker.
I bet! That's what I want to check out
No speaker pre-outs? Jbl add those and it's a deal.💯🤷🏽♂️
Agreed!
For those wanting more. I would wait and see what Arcam comes out with since they are sister companies
I slapped a 510 in my bedroom 2 days after Best Buy got the white ones in stock.. I've got a little 3.1 setup in there with my old Infinity speakers.
Honestly, for $600 it's perfect. I have zero complaints. It replaced an $800 (2006) JVC receiver which is out for repair.
tidal connect?
If JBL, Harman Kardon, and Arcam got the same governor, I'm just wondering if they'll be sharing any ideas. After all, they all got something they could bring to the table..
JBL - software
Harman Kardon - high fidelity
Arcam - sound
I just saw the white one at Best Buy on the main aisles for 399 and thought it was a type-o. It was the most stunning looking AV receiver that was not at their Magnolia showroom. I wish I took time to figure out how to demo them.
3:02 - it is 18 binding posts, each speaker needs 2 contacts.
Channa! Nice meeting you! Wish you the best and you got a new sub! 🤙🏼
Ayyy!!! Thank you.
I like the look and the size benefit of the class D amplification. Only 15" deep
These new JBL units should appeal to more casual users who don't need certain features and want to keep things relatively simple. One of the biggest draws for me would be the color LCD menu on the 9100 and 7100. No more pecking around the small monochrome LED displays and/or needing the remote control to change or confirm settings. I'd like to see this feature on more receivers.
Yeah, that's definitely the idea, casual users.
I've been looking at these for the last few days.. I was hoping these had an 11 channel version ..but no dice.. ( So sad )
Nice to see come extra coverage on them.
Yeah, an 11 channel version with pre outs.
I agree cut out zone 2 and cut down the cost. I never used it. Thinkig about doing one time just seemed more of a hassle money wise.
Yup!
Onkyo RZ50 or RZ70 is something I would recommend over these JBLs. I have the RZ50 and so far it’s been great.
Big delta on the price, though?
@@fonkenfulNot for the RZ50 which have been in sales just below $1k.
@@mfgillia7606 I live in Canada, current big box store pricing on RZ50= $2200, RZ70=$4200. Interestingly, Crutchfield USA is currently listing the RZ70 @ $1999, but in Canada it’s $4,199. Even though the exchange rate fluctuates almost hourly, that’s well over $1300 higher.
I picked up a lower level R740 2 years ago on sale for a landed cost of $1238. (inc 12% sales taxes), and have been quite happy with it.
@@fonkenfulnot at all - $999.00 on sale last week.( RZ-50)
@@Audiomainia2310 Not in Canada. Last time I checked (5 minutes ago) $2200 @ Best Buy and Crutchfield. I’d loved to have been able to pick one up for $1000, but had to settle for an RZ740 2 years ago for $1100 plus taxes.
Audio pricing is like real estate - location, location, etc.
Yo am in agreement.... Pre outs ...11 channels and Auro 3D !
Woot woot!
Does it have a web interface which would allow for more control?
not sure
They need a preamp, I'm sick of the over inflated prices for a preamp
Yamaha to the rescue
@@tether23 ya with YPAO lol
Get an AVR with full set of preouts.
@@dperr338 try and find some under 6kaud
These may very well fit the use case of someone looking for a basic, no frills application not at all interested in - or long since tired of - chasing the FOMO brass ring.
I am eager to setup a second system in my home with this unit....MA9100HP...and its simple!!!
I think that was their goal
What video monitor arm are you using in your video? Thanks!
Hi! That's an arm for a cell phone...something from Amazon.
🤔🤔 mmm for me this receivers lack to many features for the price you paid for even so if they have better components or DAC example you can get way more features with the Denon X3800H 11.4 processing for just brand new 1,300 on Amazon .but anyway is good we have a new competitor in this segment market , more competion better options and price for us
Agreed...it needs a little more. Hopefully they are listening.
guys, just asking, what are those extra features that you talk about? Top model has dirac, plenty of power, should run cool as it is class d so I do not need extra amp... what are those missing features? Tidal connect? Good app? What is this "little extra"? What AMP and DAC is used on these that is not good enough in your opinion? What is the power supply that it is not good enough?
@TechnoDad I’ve finally saved up enough money for a new avr I can afford the 6800h do I get it or save money and get the 6700h it’s going to need to last me a while being a big purchase
If you don’t plan on getting anything new for a while, see if you can get a 6800H on sale or something.
@@TechnoDad thank you for the response I did end up ordering the 6800 from electronicsexpo their customer service team was top notch with helping me with my purchase and it’s supposed to be in tomorrow I will be scouring your videos to help me get it set up thank you for all that you do
Are avr’s moving away from FM/AM tuners?
I think so
I just wanted 7.1.6. 100-watts a speaker was more than enough for me from experience, but I guess I will spend the 3k.
Yeah, that's tough to get
Seems like a miss all around compared to Onkyo/Denon equivalents. The lack of pre-outs is a super big miss in my opinion for the top ones along with on average 2 less channels. Onkyo NR7100 is 9 channel no pre-outs for cheaper and right now Onkyo RZ50 is on sale for $999 with 11.2 pre-outs and full Dirac live included, and Denon x3800h can be had similarly in price without Dirac included but Audyssey XT32 is no slouch. I spent $2000 on my 60lb Onkyo RZ70 with 11.2 channels and full Dirac live w/ bass control upgrade ($350/500 extra) and the JBL MA9100HP costs $1600 plus probably $350 upgrade for full band Dirac live with no bass control option ever so for $1950 vs $2000 I think it's a no brainer which is a better buy. Looks wise these look amazing compared to either Denon or Onkyo is the only thing that they have going for them imo.
So the 9.2 would enable 5.2.4?
I think so!
For the money they lack too many features that other brands give for about the same price. It’s a no sale for me.
Yeah
like what for example?
Waiting for your review.
Good prices
Looks good😊
Agreed...
Thanks for the video '
Anytime!
Show open box video
Not even the 9.2 model offering pre-outs?!?! Come on JBL, you almost nailed it! That's gonna be a no from me dawg.
Yeah, missed opportunity there. Unless they are making a “higher end” one? I dunno. It could work in my bedroom though.
@@TechnoDad At $1600 though, the 9.2 model should have definitely included that option. A huge missed opportunity indeed.
@@tcamm9812 Agreed!
Subwoofer outputs are NOT discrete 😞. Definitely not with JBL's EZSet EQ, and quite likely the same even if one opts for the Dirac Live upgrade... and therefore super 😞😞😞. Shucks! ...for their top two offerings could have made for perfect 2.2 Channel setups.
Yeah, what a shame more receivers don't have discrete stereo/assignable RCA sub-outs. With models like these JBLs, the only way to get proper stereo sub-outs would be to use the assignable speaker terminals. Your subs will have to have speaker inputs... or you'll have to use a convertor like the newly-released SVS SoundPath Speaker Level Subwoofer Adapter.
Why would I spend the amount JBL wants on a Class D amp that lacks so many basic features? No way!
It’s a tough sell for enthusiasts
@@TechnoDad S/N ratio is 0.5% at 1 watt on the entire line. I can get an Onkyo RZ-50 with Dirac and 120 WPC at 0,008% for less than JBL's flagship. Actually it was just on sale for $999.00 at Crutchfield. And class A/B - this won't fly.
Plenty of Class D amps for less.
True enthusiasts will never touch this.
Def a cool guy 😎
hah!
I think you should spend more time showing the product. Like show it up close in the front, side, back etc. not really necessary to see you on camera the whole time. If you are going to review audio equipment then people want to see the equipment, also let us hear it as well. Otherwise I like your content.
Don't have the product yet, but once I do, I will show more of it
You definitely didn’t listen.. he said he sent them an email for product review (meaning he doesn’t have it). He also stated he wants to try it out with gaming (also implying he doesn’t have the product).
Rubbish
You just stole my mind, I was thinking the same about a two grand model with Auro upmixer and maybe DIRAC installed..... can you try to speak with JBL about that?😉
I can certainly try!