@jc3productions362 women have infinite options. If she doesn't like your game, she'll find a guy with better game. Obviously you have to pass the looks test first and only a chad can get away below average game If you are a normie with poor game, women will just view you as disposable and find a better man
@@dylanfrazer4429yes and no. This is an age old debate and Mark manson already solved it. Looks is needed for someone's guard to be down. If they see you as less attractive, then they are going to be more bais in the interaction. From there, you just need to be average in game. That's it! As long as you are good with seducing/creating an emotional connection. She will stay. It's only when you cant go for a kiss or act very shy to reveal emotional intimacy that she will go for another dude
Pretty much facts. Game is important in breaking the ice with someone whom you want to get closer too, but it only works when they find you attractive.
@@maestroanth When I was 14 I was a chad myself, all the girls wanted to kiss me. One of the best times of my life. My comment was aimed to show that the hundreds tonnes of effort into developing game is not worth the grammes of reward. What's 1.5% of increase in 500 matches? 7 or 8 women that will ghost you? That's the end result of Kitsh-like game.
I remember PUAhate website, was the best website which describes how its all about looks. I remember the PUA scene years ago, they were all sub 5 guys thinking they had a chance.
GAME can not "turn around" a woman who does not find you attractive. However, when I was young a LACK OF GAME did cost me dearly in many situations when I got choosing signals but didn't know what to do / when and how to escalate things. AND when girls who were interested in me noticed "oh, he is not making a move" it was always a hard turn off for them and all my chances were gone...
Game is only an illusion men create for themselves to feel in control of the situation. You control nothing. If Henry Cavil would have "weak game" he would be called quirky or nerdy, but women would still want his schlange.
If you are an extremely charismatic person (to a degree which is not attainable by exercise only, but requires the right genetics) you can turn it around using game. But most of the time, no.
@@forben3523 I still would disagree. Even the most charismatic person can't change everyone. It kinda like a seductive person. They can only take advantage of someone who truly wants it
In my experience, on dating apps it is best to respond only to those who match you first. The conversation will die with many of them, you will date the one will remain, and at the end she will reject you too.
So basically a waste of time and contributing to the problem by giving them attention and using the app made by people that want to screw up the dating market. Even if ur successful and do get a match, the woman is probably been ran through a lot and is toxic.
Saw the title & already liked it. PUAs fooled guys into thinking any guy can get laid as long as they have “game”. Game means nothing if the girl isn’t attracted to you. Attraction can’t be negotiated.
If you really want the complex answer, read the game by Neil Strauss and then models by mark mansons. Both are PUAs but with two different perspectives. Long story short, game is good in the short run but sucks with long term relationships. Most guys focus on faking who they are so they are good with one night stands. However, mark manson found out just being truly authentic with great social skills will land you opportunities to sleep with the best women for yourself
Oh, you sure can do it. But you have to be DAMN GOOD. And you'll only get a girl one point higher than would normally go for you - when I was younger I pulled plenty of 5's and 6's but if I was on point I could stretch to a 7, but it was rare. I couldn't do it these days, I'm older and nowhere near as charismatic. 5 is the best I can do now, usually 4's
When I was able to get a point higher than I normally could, a common thing girls would say was 'You're not my type but I'm attracted to you' or some other (honestly offensive) kind of thing. This was back in 2005-2012 however, now girls all seem aspergers and don't laugh at anything. Kids are weird these days, I think they use phones too much
A girl cannot be compulsed, compelled, or convinced to go out with a guy if she isn't interested and doesn't like how you look. Therefore, "game" is like karma... it doesn't exit and doesn't work.
Back in 2019 the same day the Game of Thrones finale aired I got a match with a girl on Happn, I wrote her and she answered back. We commented about the season finale, she even told me "What do you think of that episode? too much fan service to me. And since I had been reading the books of the series since 2017 I had all the arsenal prepared😎. I wrote back like three lines and she NEVER ever came back again. I felt very weird because we had matched, we had interests in common, she INVESTED in the conversation and then nothing. At the end of that year I found the channel of Face and LMS and all the pieces of the puzzle started to move... THEN it all made sense.
You must distinguish when a woman matches with you because she likes you and when she matches only because she wants extra matches to feel better about herself and for the algorithm.
That’s easy to do,just see how long the conversation lasts Few minutes = she wants validation Longer up until you secure a date= sweet spot Hours on the same app without migrating to WHATSAPP = she wants validation,she’ll never meet up with you
If you don't get any single stare from the opposite sex, it's more likely you're invisible. Subconscious approach is just another way to know if she finds you attractive. last but not least if she stars asking you question whether you're single or not. it's also important to see the way she greets you, in case she only knows you by sight without ever having any conversation with her. smiles says a lot but no fake smiles but honest and sincere smiles from women.
There's no point. If a guy better looking than you texts the girl you're planning to go on a date with, she'll stop responding to you nomatter your " game " 😏🤷🏾♂️ !
That’s the problem with all these PUA and red pill channels making it sound like any man regardless of his physical appearance or status can game any woman. That’s how they take advantage of naive young men making them believe you can learn these magic words that will make any female fall in love with them.
I knew the Game part already, but what has really opened my eyes was the fact that the girl's attractiveness has nothing to do with her Perception of you. So it does not matter whether she's a 4 or a 7, she might or might not find you attractive which depends on your looks. This also explains why there are 4/5s with 7/8s as their girlfriends.
@@Wong-Jack-Man I'm 40 so I remember the days of talking to 20 to 30 women a night and it actually getting results. After a while I started to notice that women who would sleep with you (or give you their number with enthusiasm not to get rid of you) gave certain signals with their body language and 'energy' very very quickly. It's not new knowledge
That is true. Obviously If a girl is completely not attracted to you you have no chance. But it happened to me twice that a girl blow me off at the beginning, telling me "You are not my type", or "I am interested in someone else." And they came back to me later after Chad ditched them. In both times I ditched them too because I was but-hurt that I was not their first choice. I just want to say that it might happen In some rare case, that If you are not getting indicators of high interest right now, that means that a girl has a better option than you at the moment, and not that she is completely uninterested.
I enjoy your videos. You are one of the most honest TH-camrs. Your honesty is refreshing and brutal at the same time. Most people like to be lied to and they love to believe that the reason of their failures has to do with things they can change (attitude, game, texting). Other so-called coaches are selling false hopes to desperate guys. Now, the part where I disagree is that you assume that people TRULY look like they look in photos. This is a very important detail that you are neglecting in all of your videos. Men and women look different in real life. I am a heterosexual cis woman and I can’t tell you the amount of times I have been disappointed by men I had known online and I whom I had later met in real time. Some of these men weren’t even using filters or flattering lights. They just photograph very well but are super disappointing in real life. Now, this is particularly true for women. Most women I know in real life are unrecognizable on their social media. Also, as a woman, if I am REALLY attracted to a guy physically, there is little or very little he can do to turn me off. It all boils down to physical attraction. Of course, if he farted in front of me (something that a lot of American men do in front of women) it would be a turnoff. Game helps tip the scale only if he is kinda meh. But game is useless if I don’t like the guy physically. And this applies to women too. If a man likes a woman physically, she can get away with a horrible personality. Let’s be honest here
Yes she has to find you reasonably attractive. If you're a 6 about 1/3 of women will find you attractive (whereas 2/3 of men will find a female 6 attractive). Then they filter based on social interaction etc
When she is not into you, there is nothing you can do. When she is into you, you will have to do nothing. This type of genuine burning desire obviously fades over the course of a 50 year marriage but it does illustrate that game is a cope for sub-fives.
Exactly, it always annoys me when "pickup artists" are like "you can get any girl with good game," that's not true at all. Women know if they're interested in you within like 5 seconds of looking at you, and game is only gonna work if the woman predetermined she wants you.
Good game can make a 6 ( friend zone on looks) turn into a 7 (datable). It will not turn a a 2 into a 7. A 9 also cannot fall to a 6 because of a lack of game either. However there are a lot of guys that are 6s, so game can make you stand out amongst your peers
Yes, you're missing something. The women were dumped by Chad after their last 5 dates, felt bad, so they lowered their standards. He also looks like a nice guy so he would make a good back-up plan or orbiter.
Honest Waffles is so incredibly intelligent to tie all of this stuff together in the way he does. Straight to the point, no trying to make you feel better, just the straight truth. His video topics are also all interesting and well thought up. I think it is better that men know where they fall and get on with their life. If you keep fooling yourself you will cause internal rage and all sorts of issues can arise from that. Better to know the truth and live with it. Read John Sarno healing back pain books about this internal rage and the physical issues it causes people. I think a lot of this could be you not accepting that you are a sub 5 or even a normie and girls just don't like you.
The issues in our party days before we all got a dude n married. The 5-6 guys got career, up their ritz n corporate jobs, suddenly think they are like 7 or even 8 they think its a numbers game that”just go thru many girls to seek the girl that land on them”. D hard truth is it happens but def slim usually has to be fluke (like thru special circumstance, like connection/bond trauma/ etc). Don’t ever try with cold approach it will NOT work. 😅
Especially if your a man cause face/height come 1st but a woman with a mediocre slightly below average face can still have a sexy fit figure & still effortlessly get tonns of guys easily cause iv seen many women like dozens with 4 to 4.5 faces but with 7.5 to 8 bodies which.is a 6 to 6.5 overall in overall appearance
Just like how if a woman likes you physically she'll view what you say in a more positive/favourable light it works the other way too she'll view your appearance in a more positive/favourable light if you have some charm, game can & does work.
Also, game doesn’t guarantee you’ll get every single girl you come across. I think we all understand nobody on earth is universally attractive to everyone. Game is literally just a framework to get whatever you want with women on your terms, that’s it. Seduction is a subset of game, guess what that’s based off of? Getting a woman who probably initially wasn’t too crazy about you to like you more.
More people who have no idea what Game is. Game is a mindset, mentality & life strategy. Game is the way in which you effectively and efficiently get what you want (sending 25-100 texts to a woman who liked you on a dating app or who gave you her number just to end up taking her on a date isn’t doing that) Game is your level of confidence Game is your level drive & ambition. Game is your level of conviction. Game is your energy & vibes, your demeanor. Game is your knowledge, experience, intelligence & level of common sense. Game is your social skills & ability to be charming Game is your ability to be self-sufficient. Your level of competence.
As a model, I will say one thing. Cameras, angles and lighting all play a part too. Close up selfies, in bad light, with a smart phone and high exposure can make a good looking person look pretty ugly. It can distort the face, lose all definition as it will make a face appear longer than it is, and if you have exposure with that in bad lighting area it will make the skin look awful too even if they have a very good complexion. Most people taking them don't know this and hence could lose as much as 5 points off their looks just by taking a shitty picture. So in some circumstances an 8 can look like a 3. Brad Pitt has hit bad lighting in some of his movies and gone from an 8 or a 9 to a f'cking 3. So, good photomaxing.
It’s fine to get the best shot possible but the problem is you shouldn’t deviate no more than 1pt from your actual looks it’s misleading. Women today are posting pics from 10yrs ago, massive filters and AI. It’s basically heresy today. So basically if you’re a dude and god forbid on dating sites always just minus 2pts to get true looks scale.
I am no psychiatrist but what i have learned is that the attractiveness metter(scale 1-10) is always inversely proportional to the purity scale.Why is that,it's based on facts but on the most people,there are afew who doesn't apply to them but they are very scarce.Description:when someone and especially women KNOW that they are attractive 7-10,this gives them high ego boost and arrogance as their market value increases hence their demand.So they are getting more arrogant and childish,heck some even hit the great wall eventually and say where are the good men...Simps play also a role on this by doing what they do best and that is , destroying chances for men who are not.So yeah 5/10 or lower, usually more pure and a better human being (although the delusion has already hit them too,in some degree),but in general they are more approachable.
I don’t believe in game I believe in chemistry vs no chemistry and no social anxiety vs social anxiety. Most of the stuff PUA guys say is either common sense or small stuff that probably isn’t gonna be the difference between sleeping with them vs not
I was at work and a lady came up to me who I normally wouldn't be attracted to (she was a good 10 years older than me) but she started talking to me and her game was top notch. The way she spoke to me made me really attracted to her. Her confidence and her ability to flirt strongly but not inappropriately really got me interested in her. This lady needs to be teaching a class for women on how to flirt with men. She was that good. But me being a retard I didn't ask for her number or try anything with her. So guys, when a girl is cleary into you you must jump on it immediately! Don't hesitate, just do it.
Once, about 20 years ago, a heavily drunk and not quite pleasant looking woman saw me parking my car and when I got out, asked me in what she thought was a flirty way if I could give her a ride? I decided to pass on this opportunity 😄
Exactly, the problem is these dudes think women get attracted to men the same way men get attracted to women. Male attraction is a light switch, female attraction is a thermostat. A girl could be on the fence (lots of times they are to start) then your charisma, mannerisms, speech, ect wins her over. Most of the time it’s not just instantly “oh he’s hot mind made up”
@@spartanghost9713 This is so true. Man I would even say that it gives you positive reinforcement as well because without looks building confidence is way too hard and it can lead to negative reinforcement and at worst sub human treatment.
Online yes. Face to face not really my experience and observation. As long as she doesn't feel repulsed by you, if you have 10 game you can increase the interest of otherwise uninterested girl. However with 5-6 game you need a bit of initial interest from the girl for things to work. Mind you that in my experience most guys, Chads incuded, have below 3 game. I have seen Chads missing countless bang opportunities due to bad game.
Bunch things. Who she met earlier (more bonding), what her upbringing (if her dad is more like Donald trump dominant snappy/reactive or Obama stable(when not calm), respectful, HIgh IQ/EQ) ppl usually will bond with someone that close character to their same gender parent. For example if a woman came from Narcisssitc family, that has “golden child, black sheep/escape coat, invisible child” depends what the woman is from 1 of 3, they are going to seek diff traits. A woman if she’s d Golden Child of Narcissit , they will usually smart/driven n actually think d rest ppl are beneath them also they will seek other narcissitic guys “arrogant”/over d top . Those type of women often gets burned , say they want nice guy but go for nacisssit . Then d escape goated girl, have to work hard, to “prove themselves “ often look for someone that are WISE/collected like Obama, n they are Repulsed by stuck up arrogant guys. Then the “invisible child” often very envious/jealous of others so they will look for traits that they have no ideas whatever ticks. For example :”oh all the bfs give gf Tiffany bracelet for Xmas i want that. “ “all the gf getting LV wallet for …i want one”. The Narcissist ppl their parents usually buy high end stuff like car/wallet/suit/shoes etc to show off. So they will seek Guys that can OFFER such thing also take those things “seriously” . Then it comes to someone from healthy parenting/attachment, that woman will literally seek things make them tick. Cuz they usually they want somoene eloquent n actually not stupid , also not malignant . 100% of those are Subconcious. The PUA will never work much, because PUA is on concious level try to manipulate ppls Sub concious that is built in others entire childhood . Often starting in early 12 month before the kids can speak. 😮 And could easily be like what is her Early childhood crush n d 2 equal ones , who is MORE close look to d “early childhood crush” or d ONE Screen crush. D Equal is subjective. 😅😊 our brain is like AI it auto formulates results lol. 😂
Game is useless for ugly people. I you looksmaxxed your best and still ugly and short. Then, you have no hope. Be happy single. Be successful. Atleast you will have friends and you can be happy with them. Relationship is not necessary to be happy in life. Nikolai Tesla,issac newton died unmarried. Do the things which makes you happy.
For Chad, it doesn't matter if you're a megalomaniac/autistic child molester. That's the only info that should matter to guys. She'll never treat you like Chad
Women are the negative pole, men the positive. If men are giving off negative energy, they will repel the women. Positive energy attracts. That's how the Game is really played. With energy. The hottest woman in the world right now, the Queen of the Staceys, is a Polish singer named Doda. If you try to match her energy, weird things will happen.
Yeah, cold approach is so much work because you actually need to create attraction with someone who doesn't know you. I always had easier time with girls that like me already. Then I just choose what I like and deal is sealed.
Man, just a message to say that the bp is bullshit from my experience. You rated me 7/10 but I think I am 8/10. 1m85 and can fraud up to 1m88 with special shoes. I am also geomaxxed in Paraguay were I am really really rich here (I was already rich in France) But my roomate who is 5/10 bellow average height and kind of fat has better sucess than me. He has very great game and has great statut here (great car, motos, ingenieur, inversor, etc...) I am almost jealous of him ahahah
I had a first date on Sunday. It went well, kisses, we plan to meet again. I have the feeling that what made it successful was the smile I gave her at first sight.
Dude do NOT believe those RED pill stuff. I have read the book of GAME because my male friends were joking about it how they were trying those “tips” form those books. 100% of them over the years of them trying (cuz my Asian/white etc normie poor good buddies were Desprite) were telling me that NOEN of the thoes “d GAME” PUA work.
For example, i came from family that ppl operate graciously , my grandparents were teachers n like those typica Asian KIND ppl never on my face mock me or anything . Or my father was HIGH level corporate Business consulting manager. That dealing with a LOT of mess work stuff all d time going to VERY high end places travel everywhere, but come home very cozy n humble dad in T shirt just normal human being diff voice dif tone. That long ago in my teen he would sit me down when mom was not home , tell me how “arrogant/immature he was when he’s young n he wanted to Self regulate/not mock ppl/ set boundary n operate as mature adult to be good father figure”. 😮 i think my DAD was the actual arrogant CHAD back then n lost his gf etc when he’s young, n telling me the respectful nice greeting in d hallway at office were all “fake”, just work. Because my mom was actual Karen (covert narcissit) that my dad had to TAke the burden of being blamed as “show off” to pull me out of public school to send me to VERY EXPensive Private school (cuz i begged him) , all relatives Mocked him called him “irresponsible “ for pulling me out of top public school, but he took d Blame /shame to NOT expose me being abused by mom at home on going daily basis. THAT is wisdom n strength, n masculinity. So when SOME HOT girls come from healthy Male figure background, when hey meet men doing PUA,,,NOT ONLY that shi back fire immediately, the PUA guys do NOT even make to the Frindzon, cuz it is utter exposure of LOW EQ, n high misogyny , weak spine.
@@KriegerdammerungI'm going to guess that John is definitely rich that's why cause money definitely still works especially if your a comfortable 5 Normie but if your a Sub5 it's still not enough unless if 3 Sub5 wants a soild 5 Normie to 5.5 top teir Normie woman cause that's the best he can do or if he's lucky mybe a 6.5 Becky tops if he's extremely lucky but a rich 6.5 Brad especially if he's tall like 6--3 then he could have a 9 low teir Hearttfelt forsure
Not true from experience in day game. There are red, yellow and green light girls. Green light girls is what you're talking about in this video. Yellow light girls/neutral/or girls willing to give you a chance is where game shines. Red light girls are obvious No's.
How about we drop all of this and just focus on being a genuinly good person. Among the game, the being a man and whatever complicate science people concoct, there's a huge shortage of that, you know. That's how my grandfather got my grandmother. And of course he couldn't have gotten any better. Simple as that.
Go pickup girls by telling them how many hours you’ve volunteered at the homeless shelter or dogs you’ve adopted. I’m sure you’ll have better odds than Henry Cavil.
@@LucidFL yeah, of course you would brag about it, and thats not how I intended good, genius. I have good odds because I don't follow all this bullshit, can tell you that.
I agree with your points, but my issue with this is if i remember u made a vid showing your tinder pics and they were professionally done etc most people cant afford to spend couple £100 on the perfect pictures with professionals
True. You could also just watch TH-cam tutorials and buy a $20 tripod and use your phone as a camera. The photos won't be perfect but they'll be better than the normie who only takes selfies
I have not watched the video to know if you said this, I went straight to the comments because this is one important factor guys should realize. If you still get chosen even thought they don't initially give you choosing signal is they without a doubt "WILL USE YOU FINANCIALLY" many people will do crazy things for money, this is something many people can relate, this is no different. One thing they can tell you're an easy target is your over interest, appearing better than your looks by default show SIMP vibes, if she thinks she's above your looks level you're already a target, you just have to show interest. This is why many people say "just be confident, or why women say I just care about the guys personality" Yes this is not a lie HOWEVER this is not applied the same way if a good looking guy approaches her and asks her out in the same manner the ugly guy expresses himself. To prove this is true is just a manner of understanding emotions, but then again many men misinterpret attraction from women thinking they're flirting when in reality women are just being nice. Many men are hardcore delusional, yet works but not in the way they think, but then again what matters to most men is just playing🛌 along right? whether she genuinely finds you attractive or not? unfortunately that's not how I play, I don't find any fun in that.
yep! but a lot of times females that do like you won't give you any signal, don't believe the guys that tell you that all the females that like you will give you choosing signals, that's simply not true. Some females will like you and you will never know because they won't approach and they won't give you any choosing signals. Some do, some don't.
that is true but they will give SOME singals, even if more mellow or small...you just need to be carefull and open your eyes to them...@@chipwilliams6236
If a girl is drunk and in a certain mood you can change her mind. Doesn't work online though, only in person. It's hard to do, and these days barely works due to the amount of options women have on their phone. It used to work a decade ago. Smart phones screwed everything
True. With game in-person (not dating apps) you can stretch to picking up a point higher if you're very confident. But if you're a 3 super charisma is only ever going to get you a 5 unless you're famous, probably a 4. And that's if you're funny and cool
I remember seeing a guy hit on my attractive coworker at work. He had the most awkward cringe approach ever. Like the kind of approach that would never work in a million years for me, would probably get some guys reported to security. She gave him her number anyway, because the guy was a Chadlite. Saw another dude hanging at the end of the bar while another female coworker was busy. He hung there awkwardly for like an hour, staring at her and trying to talk to her while she was busy. Once again something I would never do for fear of being accused of harassment (nor would I ever act so cringey). He got an instant date with her once she got off work. Because he was attractive.
I would argue that women on tinder or any dating sites are poor partner material anyways, there are other avenues where interactions are more honest and natural.
I look at it as there being 3 types of girls: Yes girls: Girls who really like you and give you choosing signals. Maybe girls: Girls who found you attractive enough. Think the girl who swipes and finds you attractive enough to look through pics 2-5 and says “hmm, he looks ok and kind of interesting why not?” then swipes right. No girls: You don’t meet looks threshold. My guess is that you got the yes girls, per your comment who liked your niche. Game could have helped with the maybe girls. That’s where I have a beef w pua guys selling guys the dream of getting 8+ women regardless of looks with game. Can most guys improve their efficiency with girls close to their level w game? Sure Does game create attraction that overrides baseline attraction? No, it merely amplifies existing attraction and mitigates the risk of dropping the ball.
Great point on turning a yes into a no. The number one way to do this is by being overly sexual when no sexual signals have been displayed. Case in point a guy I went on a first date (many years ago) with who behaved impeccably all evening until the very end. He drove me home and launched into a 5 minute description of what he is like in bed in graphic detail. There was no prior kiss or invitation/ suggestion I was going to sleep with him. He would have got a second date if he hadn’t said any of those sexual things. Don’t be that guy.
Yes, I have had a similar experience where a guy pulled his weiner out in the car. It was so weird and off putting that I blocked him. It went from me wanting to see him again to me never even wanting to talk to him again.
I believe I'm a high tier normie in looks and, as Waffles iterates, have been only using game when I know for a fact the woman is very interested or invested in me, otherwise, it's a complete waste of my time and energy. I started using this style of game after Waffles released a previous video that made me come to the realization that I had barely above avg looks. It was another brutal realization but one that was necessary and has helped me grow stronger mentally.
Not quite. ... You can try to chat her up even when there's no indicators of interest. The same is true, I believe, for girls interested in guys. However, it takes a few times -- but I agree that a first time cold approach will have no effect unless she immediately finds you attractive. You have to remember that personality can tip the scales in your favor so it may take several opportunities to talk to her.
I agree with the title of the video. I've had much older people tell me for a marriage to truly work and be happy, the woman really has to choose the guy. Yes he's choosing her too but she has to choose and decide first and not be "convinced." Had an older couple say the right woman for a guy that is smart regarding courting will signal to a guy its ok for him to chase and that she'll let him chase her until she catches him ;-)
@@postmodernjoe Absolutely once you have the confidence and you have a bit of swag in your walk youll be crushing it. In the apps we can't really convey our prescence, confidence, dominant behaviour and also how other people react to us and that counts for a lot. The look of amazement that some women give me is strange and virtually everywhere I go some girl will be giving me choosing signals.
Game is the art of winning over a girl who already likes you
and even then you have to put hard work, impressive "misogynist" society we live in
Don't lose a girl who already likes you.
That’s not game. If she already likes you you don’t have to do a damn thing
@jc3productions362 women have infinite options. If she doesn't like your game, she'll find a guy with better game. Obviously you have to pass the looks test first and only a chad can get away below average game
If you are a normie with poor game, women will just view you as disposable and find a better man
@@dylanfrazer4429yes and no. This is an age old debate and Mark manson already solved it.
Looks is needed for someone's guard to be down. If they see you as less attractive, then they are going to be more bais in the interaction. From there, you just need to be average in game. That's it! As long as you are good with seducing/creating an emotional connection. She will stay. It's only when you cant go for a kiss or act very shy to reveal emotional intimacy that she will go for another dude
Pretty much facts. Game is important in breaking the ice with someone whom you want to get closer too, but it only works when they find you attractive.
Standard game equals 10% convert rate, stellar game equals 11.5% of convert rate. There is an element of truth to the comments...
@@Kriegerdammerung as a handsome Chad light, game is NOT worth the effort for the woman you fantasize about as wifey material. :/
no I'm not sending my pic to waffles bc irl empiricism is sufficient.
@@maestroanth When I was 14 I was a chad myself, all the girls wanted to kiss me. One of the best times of my life.
My comment was aimed to show that the hundreds tonnes of effort into developing game is not worth the grammes of reward.
What's 1.5% of increase in 500 matches? 7 or 8 women that will ghost you? That's the end result of Kitsh-like game.
Dropping bomb facts instead of giving false hope, love it
it's over for PUAcels
I remember PUAhate website, was the best website which describes how its all about looks. I remember the PUA scene years ago, they were all sub 5 guys thinking they had a chance.
GAME can not "turn around" a woman who does not find you attractive.
However, when I was young a LACK OF GAME did cost me dearly in many situations when I got choosing signals but didn't know what to do / when and how to escalate things.
AND when girls who were interested in me noticed "oh, he is not making a move" it was always a hard turn off for them and all my chances were gone...
Game is only an illusion men create for themselves to feel in control of the situation. You control nothing. If Henry Cavil would have "weak game" he would be called quirky or nerdy, but women would still want his schlange.
This is how you know you are a Normie. If you're a Chad, women will go out of their way to make it as easy as possible for the guy.
If you are an extremely charismatic person (to a degree which is not attainable by exercise only, but requires the right genetics) you can turn it around using game. But most of the time, no.
@@forben3523 I still would disagree. Even the most charismatic person can't change everyone. It kinda like a seductive person. They can only take advantage of someone who truly wants it
If a girl is turned off just because you don't approach she was never into you to begin with.
It's over for gamecels
In my experience, on dating apps it is best to respond only to those who match you first. The conversation will die with many of them, you will date the one will remain, and at the end she will reject you too.
So basically a waste of time and contributing to the problem by giving them attention and using the app made by people that want to screw up the dating market.
Even if ur successful and do get a match, the woman is probably been ran through a lot and is toxic.
I disagree with this. I’ve had plenty of dates with girls that I’ve matched with first.
You got this bro
@@Therealmattchong Ok Chad
I'm asian, so it's more like CHANG hahaha@@DonDraper7009
@@DonDraper7009 Is there a term for Asian Chad similar to Tyrone as African Chad? Chong? lol
just be the chosen one bro
Chad's game: "Hey you up?"
Saw the title & already liked it. PUAs fooled guys into thinking any guy can get laid as long as they have “game”. Game means nothing if the girl isn’t attracted to you. Attraction can’t be negotiated.
If you really want the complex answer, read the game by Neil Strauss and then models by mark mansons. Both are PUAs but with two different perspectives.
Long story short, game is good in the short run but sucks with long term relationships. Most guys focus on faking who they are so they are good with one night stands.
However, mark manson found out just being truly authentic with great social skills will land you opportunities to sleep with the best women for yourself
@@mario125ww seems like you confirmed a conclusion I independently came to myself & told other ppl without me doing prior external confirmation
Do you really want to be with someone who isn't attracted to you? That's the recipe for a sexless marriage.
Oh, you sure can do it. But you have to be DAMN GOOD. And you'll only get a girl one point higher than would normally go for you - when I was younger I pulled plenty of 5's and 6's but if I was on point I could stretch to a 7, but it was rare. I couldn't do it these days, I'm older and nowhere near as charismatic. 5 is the best I can do now, usually 4's
When I was able to get a point higher than I normally could, a common thing girls would say was 'You're not my type but I'm attracted to you' or some other (honestly offensive) kind of thing. This was back in 2005-2012 however, now girls all seem aspergers and don't laugh at anything. Kids are weird these days, I think they use phones too much
Gentlemen . If they like you, you will know. If they dont, you will be confused.
Looksmax and run the numbers game!
Good luck
If a girl gives you indicators of interest, it's important to be yourself at that point, as much as possible.
A girl cannot be compulsed, compelled, or convinced to go out with a guy if she isn't interested and doesn't like how you look. Therefore, "game" is like karma... it doesn't exit and doesn't work.
Back in 2019 the same day the Game of Thrones finale aired I got a match with a girl on Happn, I wrote her and she answered back. We commented about the season finale, she even told me "What do you think of that episode? too much fan service to me. And since I had been reading the books of the series since 2017 I had all the arsenal prepared😎. I wrote back like three lines and she NEVER ever came back again.
I felt very weird because we had matched, we had interests in common, she INVESTED in the conversation and then nothing. At the end of that year I found the channel of Face and LMS and all the pieces of the puzzle started to move... THEN it all made sense.
Chances are a better looking guy that has nothing in common with her matched with her. Brutal.
@@Krelian4400 I thought that, yes xd
This is why you should delete the dating apps
@@thebxx724 YES! big yes! but as I was saying, it was in 2019, since then I have been evolving into something new!😌
Water is wet
I was literally thinking this as I made the video. What’s common sense to us are revelations to others
@@honestwafflesGame is a part of nerotypacaity which is the 3rd & final scale⚖
You must distinguish when a woman matches with you because she likes you and when she matches only because she wants extra matches to feel better about herself and for the algorithm.
This is true. The next thing you must do is uninstall the app. This circus has gone on long enough and doesn't need further fuelling.
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That’s easy to do,just see how long the conversation lasts
Few minutes = she wants validation
Longer up until you secure a date= sweet spot
Hours on the same app without migrating to WHATSAPP = she wants validation,she’ll never meet up with you
If you don't get any single stare from the opposite sex, it's more likely you're invisible. Subconscious approach is just another way to know if she finds you attractive. last but not least if she stars asking you question whether you're single or not. it's also important to see the way she greets you, in case she only knows you by sight without ever having any conversation with her. smiles says a lot but no fake smiles but honest and sincere smiles from women.
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If she likes you, whatever you do will be perceived as you having "GAME"
BASED. Which naturally begs the question if there’s any point to game at alll….
There's no point.
If a guy better looking than you texts the girl you're planning to go on a date with, she'll stop responding to you nomatter your " game " 😏🤷🏾♂️ !
The thing is, if you're already attractive you're set for life.
That’s the problem with all these PUA and red pill channels making it sound like any man regardless of his physical appearance or status can game any woman. That’s how they take advantage of naive young men making them believe you can learn these magic words that will make any female fall in love with them.
true. Unfortunately, I was already stupid enough to believe in PUAS
I knew the Game part already, but what has really opened my eyes was the fact that the girl's attractiveness has nothing to do with her Perception of you. So it does not matter whether she's a 4 or a 7, she might or might not find you attractive which depends on your looks. This also explains why there are 4/5s with 7/8s as their girlfriends.
Yeah definitely :
- a Tall 4/10 with a Big D
- a 5/10 with tattoos
Etc, etc.
Your title is mostly right. Women know right away if they WON'T be intimate with you. Game is still very effective for the ones who aren't sure
That’s what Chris rock says a women will know instantly if they will sleep with you within the first 30 seconds of interacting.
@@Wong-Jack-Man I'm 40 so I remember the days of talking to 20 to 30 women a night and it actually getting results. After a while I started to notice that women who would sleep with you (or give you their number with enthusiasm not to get rid of you) gave certain signals with their body language and 'energy' very very quickly. It's not new knowledge
That is true. Obviously If a girl is completely not attracted to you you have no chance. But it happened to me twice that a girl blow me off at the beginning, telling me "You are not my type", or "I am interested in someone else." And they came back to me later after Chad ditched them. In both times I ditched them too because I was but-hurt that I was not their first choice. I just want to say that it might happen In some rare case, that If you are not getting indicators of high interest right now, that means that a girl has a better option than you at the moment, and not that she is completely uninterested.
I enjoy your videos. You are one of the most honest TH-camrs. Your honesty is refreshing and brutal at the same time. Most people like to be lied to and they love to believe that the reason of their failures has to do with things they can change (attitude, game, texting). Other so-called coaches are selling false hopes to desperate guys.
Now, the part where I disagree is that you assume that people TRULY look like they look in photos. This is a very important detail that you are neglecting in all of your videos. Men and women look different in real life. I am a heterosexual cis woman and I can’t tell you the amount of times I have been disappointed by men I had known online and I whom I had later met in real time. Some of these men weren’t even using filters or flattering lights. They just photograph very well but are super disappointing in real life. Now, this is particularly true for women. Most women I know in real life are unrecognizable on their social media.
Also, as a woman, if I am REALLY attracted to a guy physically, there is little or very little he can do to turn me off. It all boils down to physical attraction. Of course, if he farted in front of me (something that a lot of American men do in front of women) it would be a turnoff. Game helps tip the scale only if he is kinda meh. But game is useless if I don’t like the guy physically. And this applies to women too. If a man likes a woman physically, she can get away with a horrible personality. Let’s be honest here
Women are not visual. Men are
Thanks for the honesty Wheat.
Yes she has to find you reasonably attractive. If you're a 6 about 1/3 of women will find you attractive (whereas 2/3 of men will find a female 6 attractive). Then they filter based on social interaction etc
if you have to try it's already over.
It never began!
When she is not into you, there is nothing you can do. When she is into you, you will have to do nothing. This type of genuine burning desire obviously fades over the course of a 50 year marriage but it does illustrate that game is a cope for sub-fives.
Exactly, it always annoys me when "pickup artists" are like "you can get any girl with good game," that's not true at all. Women know if they're interested in you within like 5 seconds of looking at you, and game is only gonna work if the woman predetermined she wants you.
3% man talked about this
"Game Only Works When A Girl Has Already Chosen You" it makes sense.
Out of 100 attempts I can litterally break every rule of the game with the one that actually found me attractive.
Good game can make a 6 ( friend zone on looks) turn into a 7 (datable). It will not turn a a 2 into a 7. A 9 also cannot fall to a 6 because of a lack of game either.
However there are a lot of guys that are 6s, so game can make you stand out amongst your peers
But he has big round eyes, inflamed skin and no eyebrows? Am I missing something?
Yes, you're missing something.
The women were dumped by Chad after their last 5 dates, felt bad, so they lowered their standards. He also looks like a nice guy so he would make a good back-up plan or orbiter.
Honest Waffles is so incredibly intelligent to tie all of this stuff together in the way he does. Straight to the point, no trying to make you feel better, just the straight truth.
His video topics are also all interesting and well thought up.
I think it is better that men know where they fall and get on with their life. If you keep fooling yourself you will cause internal rage and all sorts of issues can arise from that. Better to know the truth and live with it.
Read John Sarno healing back pain books about this internal rage and the physical issues it causes people. I think a lot of this could be you not accepting that you are a sub 5 or even a normie and girls just don't like you.
The issues in our party days before we all got a dude n married. The 5-6 guys got career, up their ritz n corporate jobs, suddenly think they are like 7 or even 8 they think its a numbers game that”just go thru many girls to seek the girl that land on them”. D hard truth is it happens but def slim usually has to be fluke (like thru special circumstance, like connection/bond trauma/ etc). Don’t ever try with cold approach it will NOT work. 😅
Don't listen her lads!
It's the whole paradigm of society that needs uprooted...
Your face is your demonstration of higher value
Especially if your a man cause face/height come 1st but a woman with a mediocre slightly below average face can still have a sexy fit figure & still effortlessly get tonns of guys easily cause iv seen many women like dozens with 4 to 4.5 faces but with 7.5 to 8 bodies which.is a 6 to 6.5 overall in overall appearance
Viewer feedback,I think what you really mean is that game only works if there is some level of attraction, interest
Just like how if a woman likes you physically she'll view what you say in a more positive/favourable light it works the other way too she'll view your appearance in a more positive/favourable light if you have some charm, game can & does work.
I Said this exact thing in one of your polls. MOST women do not like red hair, but the ones who like it almost exclusively date red haired guys.
Playing games huh a wonderful investment in time energy and wasting time.
Also, game doesn’t guarantee you’ll get every single girl you come across. I think we all understand nobody on earth is universally attractive to everyone. Game is literally just a framework to get whatever you want with women on your terms, that’s it. Seduction is a subset of game, guess what that’s based off of? Getting a woman who probably initially wasn’t too crazy about you to like you more.
More people who have no idea what Game is.
Game is a mindset, mentality & life strategy.
Game is the way in which you effectively and efficiently get what you want (sending 25-100 texts to a woman who liked you on a dating app or who gave you her number just to end up taking her on a date isn’t doing that)
Game is your level of confidence
Game is your level drive & ambition.
Game is your level of conviction.
Game is your energy & vibes, your demeanor.
Game is your knowledge, experience, intelligence & level of common sense.
Game is your social skills & ability to be charming
Game is your ability to be self-sufficient. Your level of competence.
Well written 🤝
As a model, I will say one thing. Cameras, angles and lighting all play a part too. Close up selfies, in bad light, with a smart phone and high exposure can make a good looking person look pretty ugly. It can distort the face, lose all definition as it will make a face appear longer than it is, and if you have exposure with that in bad lighting area it will make the skin look awful too even if they have a very good complexion. Most people taking them don't know this and hence could lose as much as 5 points off their looks just by taking a shitty picture. So in some circumstances an 8 can look like a 3. Brad Pitt has hit bad lighting in some of his movies and gone from an 8 or a 9 to a f'cking 3. So, good photomaxing.
I guess they let anybody model nowadays
JustBeWoman
It’s fine to get the best shot possible but the problem is you shouldn’t deviate no more than 1pt from your actual looks it’s misleading. Women today are posting pics from 10yrs ago, massive filters and AI. It’s basically heresy today. So basically if you’re a dude and god forbid on dating sites always just minus 2pts to get true looks scale.
@@Oh_So_Based I never said I was a woman.
I am no psychiatrist but what i have learned is that the attractiveness metter(scale 1-10) is always inversely proportional to the purity scale.Why is that,it's based on facts but on the most people,there are afew who doesn't apply to them but they are very scarce.Description:when someone and especially women KNOW that they are attractive 7-10,this gives them high ego boost and arrogance as their market value increases hence their demand.So they are getting more arrogant and childish,heck some even hit the great wall eventually and say where are the good men...Simps play also a role on this by doing what they do best and that is , destroying chances for men who are not.So yeah 5/10 or lower, usually more pure and a better human being (although the delusion has already hit them too,in some degree),but in general they are more approachable.
There is no game without an access to game.
I don’t believe in game I believe in chemistry vs no chemistry and no social anxiety vs social anxiety. Most of the stuff PUA guys say is either common sense or small stuff that probably isn’t gonna be the difference between sleeping with them vs not
I was at work and a lady came up to me who I normally wouldn't be attracted to (she was a good 10 years older than me) but she started talking to me and her game was top notch. The way she spoke to me made me really attracted to her. Her confidence and her ability to flirt strongly but not inappropriately really got me interested in her. This lady needs to be teaching a class for women on how to flirt with men. She was that good. But me being a retard I didn't ask for her number or try anything with her. So guys, when a girl is cleary into you you must jump on it immediately! Don't hesitate, just do it.
Once, about 20 years ago, a heavily drunk and not quite pleasant looking woman saw me parking my car and when I got out, asked me in what she thought was a flirty way if I could give her a ride? I decided to pass on this opportunity 😄
@@yuris6125 She was a 4/10 ?
@@spartanghost9713 Definitely not 8-10.
I disagree.. sometimes I match with guys I’m not sure if I find them attractive or not.. I’ll wait to get the personality and see
Exactly, the problem is these dudes think women get attracted to men the same way men get attracted to women. Male attraction is a light switch, female attraction is a thermostat. A girl could be on the fence (lots of times they are to start) then your charisma, mannerisms, speech, ect wins her over. Most of the time it’s not just instantly “oh he’s hot mind made up”
@@jc3productions362 Hard cope. If you have to raise a woman’s interest it’s over for you boyo
So glad I’m not an eyebrow cel like this foo
Your looks if your confidence for the most part
The better looking you are, the more confident you'll be 😉 !
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@@spartanghost9713 This is so true. Man I would even say that it gives you positive reinforcement as well because without looks building confidence is way too hard and it can lead to negative reinforcement and at worst sub human treatment.
Laugh everytime this guy immitates others with the ''Bro'' at the end 💀💀💀
why are you complaining about women and you have a girlfriend
Online yes. Face to face not really my experience and observation. As long as she doesn't feel repulsed by you, if you have 10 game you can increase the interest of otherwise uninterested girl. However with 5-6 game you need a bit of initial interest from the girl for things to work. Mind you that in my experience most guys, Chads incuded, have below 3 game. I have seen Chads missing countless bang opportunities due to bad game.
game is cope
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I agree and disagree. If she has two guys equal attractiveness and one is better at ‘game’ who will she meet up with?
Bunch things. Who she met earlier (more bonding), what her upbringing (if her dad is more like Donald trump dominant snappy/reactive or Obama stable(when not calm), respectful, HIgh IQ/EQ) ppl usually will bond with someone that close character to their same gender parent. For example if a woman came from Narcisssitc family, that has “golden child, black sheep/escape coat, invisible child” depends what the woman is from 1 of 3, they are going to seek diff traits. A woman if she’s d Golden Child of Narcissit , they will usually smart/driven n actually think d rest ppl are beneath them also they will seek other narcissitic guys “arrogant”/over d top . Those type of women often gets burned , say they want nice guy but go for nacisssit . Then d escape goated girl, have to work hard, to “prove themselves “ often look for someone that are WISE/collected like Obama, n they are Repulsed by stuck up arrogant guys. Then the “invisible child” often very envious/jealous of others so they will look for traits that they have no ideas whatever ticks. For example :”oh all the bfs give gf Tiffany bracelet for Xmas i want that. “ “all the gf getting LV wallet for …i want one”. The Narcissist ppl their parents usually buy high end stuff like car/wallet/suit/shoes etc to show off. So they will seek Guys that can OFFER such thing also take those things “seriously” . Then it comes to someone from healthy parenting/attachment, that woman will literally seek things make them tick. Cuz they usually they want somoene eloquent n actually not stupid , also not malignant .
100% of those are Subconcious. The PUA will never work much, because PUA is on concious level try to manipulate ppls Sub concious that is built in others entire childhood . Often starting in early 12 month before the kids can speak. 😮
And could easily be like what is her Early childhood crush n d 2 equal ones , who is MORE close look to d “early childhood crush” or d ONE Screen crush. D Equal is subjective. 😅😊 our brain is like AI it auto formulates results lol. 😂
Game is useless for ugly people. I you looksmaxxed your best and still ugly and short. Then, you have no hope. Be happy single. Be successful. Atleast you will have friends and you can be happy with them. Relationship is not necessary to be happy in life. Nikolai Tesla,issac newton died unmarried. Do the things which makes you happy.
For Chad, it doesn't matter if you're a megalomaniac/autistic child molester.
That's the only info that should matter to guys. She'll never treat you like Chad
Gals pick the guys . Guys don't pick the gals. SOCRATES
You do look like ginger royalty!
What's the difference betwen honest waffles and a normal channel?
Women are the negative pole, men the positive. If men are giving off negative energy, they will repel the women. Positive energy attracts. That's how the Game is really played. With energy.
The hottest woman in the world right now, the Queen of the Staceys, is a Polish singer named Doda. If you try to match her energy, weird things will happen.
Please do a collab with Christine Grace Smith.
What a waste of time. Texting is not "game"
Even for a Chad?
If you're a 8/10 looks wise with shit game an 5/10 looks wise guy with 10/10 game will pull more women.
Nope
Such an extreme example that will never happen haha
@@dorikin333 A guy with 10/10 looks with 5/10 game will do worse than a 5/10 guy with 10/10 game.
Yeah, cold approach is so much work because you actually need to create attraction with someone who doesn't know you. I always had easier time with girls that like me already. Then I just choose what I like and deal is sealed.
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Not necessarily, women have different types, I’m 6’0 in shape & handsome & got rejected like crazy in college.
@@CRM-114yeah so cold approach only good for 7-8 and maybe have a bit of success if your a 6
And how would you know if she liked you right away without interacting with her? And don’t say choosing signals.
Wheat Waffles has a Girlfriend, exposed
Man, just a message to say that the bp is bullshit from my experience.
You rated me 7/10 but I think I am 8/10. 1m85 and can fraud up to 1m88 with special shoes. I am also geomaxxed in Paraguay were I am really really rich here (I was already rich in France)
But my roomate who is 5/10 bellow average height and kind of fat has better sucess than me. He has very great game and has great statut here (great car, motos, ingenieur, inversor, etc...)
I am almost jealous of him ahahah
She chooses you because of your "game" (self awareness, posture, demeanour etc)
Forest from the trees
I had a first date on Sunday. It went well, kisses, we plan to meet again. I have the feeling that what made it successful was the smile I gave her at first sight.
@@simontmn well done 👊🏿
Nah, women mostly decide if they like a man or not in the first few seconds of communication. That's it
@@MikoDnst she can see your posture and demeanor right away
@@MikoDnst how you communicate affects that's judgement, no? That's "game"
I bought one of your face ratings. You gave me a 4.5 my conversion rate is about 8 percent. What am I doing right? What am I doing wrong? Thanks!
Conversion rate of 8% is very good for 4.5 your prolly fine
Red lill coaches one of them who claims to have a high lay count is 6ft 5 and hires escorts to fake his count
Dude do NOT believe those RED pill stuff. I have read the book of GAME because my male friends were joking about it how they were trying those “tips” form those books. 100% of them over the years of them trying (cuz my Asian/white etc normie poor good buddies were Desprite) were telling me that NOEN of the thoes “d GAME” PUA work.
For example, i came from family that ppl operate graciously , my grandparents were teachers n like those typica Asian KIND ppl never on my face mock me or anything . Or my father was HIGH level corporate Business consulting manager. That dealing with a LOT of mess work stuff all d time going to VERY high end places travel everywhere, but come home very cozy n humble dad in T shirt just normal human being diff voice dif tone. That long ago in my teen he would sit me down when mom was not home , tell me how “arrogant/immature he was when he’s young n he wanted to Self regulate/not mock ppl/ set boundary n operate as mature adult to be good father figure”. 😮 i think my DAD was the actual arrogant CHAD back then n lost his gf etc when he’s young, n telling me the respectful nice greeting in d hallway at office were all “fake”, just work. Because my mom was actual Karen (covert narcissit) that my dad had to TAke the burden of being blamed as “show off” to pull me out of public school to send me to VERY EXPensive Private school (cuz i begged him) , all relatives Mocked him called him “irresponsible “ for pulling me out of top public school, but he took d Blame /shame to NOT expose me being abused by mom at home on going daily basis. THAT is wisdom n strength, n masculinity. So when SOME HOT girls come from healthy Male figure background, when hey meet men doing PUA,,,NOT ONLY that shi back fire immediately, the PUA guys do NOT even make to the Frindzon, cuz it is utter exposure of LOW EQ, n high misogyny , weak spine.
Guy on thumbnail doesnt look great from at least that angle
yes, all those "how to attract" stuff are complete BS, if you're Chad, all ur dimwit comments automatically be the funniest things women ever heard.
What are choosing signals though?
When a woman is interested in you or not based on her eye contact and smiling at you along with body language.
Do you think John Anthony has good game, and does well with girls?
Who's that?
@@KriegerdammerungI'm going to guess that John is definitely rich that's why cause money definitely still works especially if your a comfortable 5 Normie but if your a Sub5 it's still not enough unless if 3 Sub5 wants a soild 5 Normie to 5.5 top teir Normie woman cause that's the best he can do or if he's lucky mybe a 6.5 Becky tops if he's extremely lucky but a rich 6.5 Brad especially if he's tall like 6--3 then he could have a 9 low teir Hearttfelt forsure
@@Kriegerdammerung He's a dating/game coach that lives I believe in Brazil. John Anthony Lifestyle is his youtube channel.
Lol orange hair isn't attractive bro
@Matowix Criticizing his orange hair? I can already tell you are not successful with women.
Just git gud bro😂😂
What???????women are flakes. Is that true????? I've never heard of that before Lil lol lol lol lol
So how come people like Rsd tyler (owen cook) have picked up countless girls from being a 4.5/10???
Ding ding ding. Should tell you that these black pill dorks are wrong. Looks aren’t as important as they think. Game is way more important
I sounds reasonable.
Even the best driver in the world can't drive the car with empty tank.
Not true from experience in day game. There are red, yellow and green light girls. Green light girls is what you're talking about in this video. Yellow light girls/neutral/or girls willing to give you a chance is where game shines. Red light girls are obvious No's.
How about we drop all of this and just focus on being a genuinly good person. Among the game, the being a man and whatever complicate science people concoct, there's a huge shortage of that, you know. That's how my grandfather got my grandmother. And of course he couldn't have gotten any better. Simple as that.
Go pickup girls by telling them how many hours you’ve volunteered at the homeless shelter or dogs you’ve adopted. I’m sure you’ll have better odds than Henry Cavil.
@@LucidFL yeah, of course you would brag about it, and thats not how I intended good, genius. I have good odds because I don't follow all this bullshit, can tell you that.
I agree with your points, but my issue with this is if i remember u made a vid showing your tinder pics and they were professionally done etc most people cant afford to spend couple £100 on the perfect pictures with professionals
True. You could also just watch TH-cam tutorials and buy a $20 tripod and use your phone as a camera.
The photos won't be perfect but they'll be better than the normie who only takes selfies
I have not watched the video to know if you said this, I went straight to the comments because this is one important factor guys should realize. If you still get chosen even thought they don't initially give you choosing signal is they without a doubt "WILL USE YOU FINANCIALLY" many people will do crazy things for money, this is something many people can relate, this is no different. One thing they can tell you're an easy target is your over interest, appearing better than your looks by default show SIMP vibes, if she thinks she's above your looks level you're already a target, you just have to show interest. This is why many people say "just be confident, or why women say I just care about the guys personality" Yes this is not a lie HOWEVER this is not applied the same way if a good looking guy approaches her and asks her out in the same manner the ugly guy expresses himself. To prove this is true is just a manner of understanding emotions, but then again many men misinterpret attraction from women thinking they're flirting when in reality women are just being nice. Many men are hardcore delusional, yet works but not in the way they think, but then again what matters to most men is just playing🛌 along right? whether she genuinely finds you attractive or not? unfortunately that's not how I play, I don't find any fun in that.
That is exactly my experience! Choose a woman that chooses you. And you save yourself a lot of rejection and frustration...
yep! but a lot of times females that do like you won't give you any signal, don't believe the guys that tell you that all the females that like you will give you choosing signals, that's simply not true. Some females will like you and you will never know because they won't approach and they won't give you any choosing signals. Some do, some don't.
that is true but they will give SOME singals, even if more mellow or small...you just need to be carefull and open your eyes to them...@@chipwilliams6236
Thats the way to do it. I’m done playing the numbers game, I choose who chooses me.
Actually, most women won't give you any signs. When you talk with them, there's still nothing. So this advice is not very useful.
and the few that do give you choosing signals the signals would be very vague.
So true, woman knows in 2 seconds if she will sleep with you, no game will change that
If a girl is drunk and in a certain mood you can change her mind. Doesn't work online though, only in person. It's hard to do, and these days barely works due to the amount of options women have on their phone. It used to work a decade ago. Smart phones screwed everything
Tryna get drunk girls in bed ain’t the move brah. Esp in this day and age. F that
I've been saying this since forever, your face is your game
True. With game in-person (not dating apps) you can stretch to picking up a point higher if you're very confident. But if you're a 3 super charisma is only ever going to get you a 5 unless you're famous, probably a 4. And that's if you're funny and cool
nah, you can also be rich or famous 😝
I remember seeing a guy hit on my attractive coworker at work. He had the most awkward cringe approach ever. Like the kind of approach that would never work in a million years for me, would probably get some guys reported to security. She gave him her number anyway, because the guy was a Chadlite.
Saw another dude hanging at the end of the bar while another female coworker was busy. He hung there awkwardly for like an hour, staring at her and trying to talk to her while she was busy. Once again something I would never do for fear of being accused of harassment (nor would I ever act so cringey).
He got an instant date with her once she got off work. Because he was attractive.
Are you sub5?
@@quincy189 Pretty much. I think I barely hit 5 after losing some weight.
The power of genes
I would argue that women on tinder or any dating sites are poor partner material anyways, there are other avenues where interactions are more honest and natural.
I look at it as there being 3 types of girls:
Yes girls: Girls who really like you and give you choosing signals.
Maybe girls: Girls who found you attractive enough. Think the girl who swipes and finds you attractive enough to look through pics 2-5 and says “hmm, he looks ok and kind of interesting why not?” then swipes right.
No girls: You don’t meet looks threshold.
My guess is that you got the yes girls, per your comment who liked your niche. Game could have helped with the maybe girls.
That’s where I have a beef w pua guys selling guys the dream of getting 8+ women regardless of looks with game.
Can most guys improve their efficiency with girls close to their level w game? Sure
Does game create attraction that overrides baseline attraction? No, it merely amplifies existing attraction and mitigates the risk of dropping the ball.
Great point on turning a yes into a no. The number one way to do this is by being overly sexual when no sexual signals have been displayed. Case in point a guy I went on a first date (many years ago) with who behaved impeccably all evening until the very end. He drove me home and launched into a 5 minute description of what he is like in bed in graphic detail. There was no prior kiss or invitation/ suggestion I was going to sleep with him. He would have got a second date if he hadn’t said any of those sexual things. Don’t be that guy.
Yes, I have had a similar experience where a guy pulled his weiner out in the car. It was so weird and off putting that I blocked him. It went from me wanting to see him again to me never even wanting to talk to him again.
If you use game on a woman that finds you ugly she'll consider you creepy but if she likes you that's when game becomes relevant
I believe I'm a high tier normie in looks and, as Waffles iterates, have been only using game when I know for a fact the woman is very interested or invested in me, otherwise, it's a complete waste of my time and energy. I started using this style of game after Waffles released a previous video that made me come to the realization that I had barely above avg looks. It was another brutal realization but one that was necessary and has helped me grow stronger mentally.
Imagine paying money for a guy to call u a sub5😅
It's over for that guy, lol.
All men should know that you never approach a woman unless she gives you a signal first.
Not quite. ... You can try to chat her up even when there's no indicators of interest. The same is true, I believe, for girls interested in guys. However, it takes a few times -- but I agree that a first time cold approach will have no effect unless she immediately finds you attractive. You have to remember that personality can tip the scales in your favor so it may take several opportunities to talk to her.
2023: only if she has already chosen you
2027: she chooses AI chad LOL
Nah, AI chads can't give women what they really want. Unlike AI girls, who give lonely men "companionship" they crave and lack
I agree with the title of the video. I've had much older people tell me for a marriage to truly work and be happy, the woman really has to choose the guy. Yes he's choosing her too but she has to choose and decide first and not be "convinced." Had an older couple say the right woman for a guy that is smart regarding courting will signal to a guy its ok for him to chase and that she'll let him chase her until she catches him ;-)
I am a 6'6 athletic ok looking dude and I don't get conversions like that. In real life I crush it though.
Same,
I’m 6’5 and being such a physical presence makes a huge difference in person
@@postmodernjoe Absolutely once you have the confidence and you have a bit of swag in your walk youll be crushing it.
In the apps we can't really convey our prescence, confidence, dominant behaviour and also how other people react to us and that counts for a lot.
The look of amazement that some women give me is strange and virtually everywhere I go some girl will be giving me choosing signals.