Why [TF2] has (Almost) Perfect Melee Weapons
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TF2 has cool melee weapons I sure hope valve doesn't abandon the very concept of fun for 20 years
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An afterthought.
no
4:08 skips the ad.
Cringe
I already play it so I cant get the thing :(
A melee weapon is a shorter gun with infinite ammo and better spread. It also doubles as a light snack if you hate yourself.
Yeah, like this knuckle sandwich.
Yippeee
This might be the best comment I’ve ever read. Thank you.
Shot gun, but shorter
@@Mikescool444 great pun mate
Fun Fact: Payday 2 has 94 melee weapons and there is no reason to ever use 91 of them
More like... 87? The Katana for high damage, Ice Pick for same high damage but you trade swing speed for concealment, the Golden Spoon for high damage and a quick charge (as opposed to the Katana's faster swing speed), the two electric weapons for stunning enemies, and then the two poison weapons for killing enemies and stunning them (the last four being highly concealable). There's also the event-only piggy hammer which can kill any enemy in one hit and spawns more of that event's importance valuable, but that's whatever.
Outside of those, you're mostly using a melee weapon for aesthetics or flavor. Which isn't a bad thing, as it gives a player a bit more agency in their loadouts, but some weapons are just straight upgrades compared to others.
@@llmkursk8254 didn't the ice pick trade weapon range for concealment? Also the spoons are super niche weapons that are only really viable on some infiltrator builds
@@PearoIGuess Technically, but the swing speed is also not as fast as the katana either. Spoons have a ~2 second charge time, so they're actually not bad for builds that don't require concealament.
Yeah I bought the ice pick and never switched back😂. It's really good for a sociopath build
@@Toastboy776katana is best if you dont care about concealment
>points at a crate
"This wasn't always the case."
Fucking love you
why did you use the funny greentext meme arrow AND quotation marks when they play the same role? the arrow signals a quote on imageboards or in some cases past actions
@@oulero 🤓
@@oulero 🤓🤓🤓
0:54 this joke is also good
Real
0:53 that bit was spectacular, love ur editing and sense of humor
DRGs pickaxe comes to mind, solely because its a functional pickaxe, it can and does bonk things, it has a heavy attack, but its main thing is digging, its a main part of your kit that the game makes you understand how useful it is, it can kill the small swarmers that come in HUGE groups instantly, its heavy kills most grunt enemies instantly, it can even stun bigger ones in a pinch, it can be upgraded to be better at killing but its always best at digging, even heavy attacking will instantly breaking terrain in a pinch, the heavy helps with digging quickly in some cases and it feels so damn good
and dont forget it as a source of healing with vampire
@@shadesinsertlastname1631 and usually the red sugar too
ROCK AND STONE!!!
a melee weapon is a weapon that hurties and makes your foes go owie
objectively correct
a gun is a melee weapon
@@ataraxianAscendant objectively correct
A melee weapon is a weapon-
@@kalukagamingfellaguya melee weapon is a weapon that hurts with stab or slash and takes skill
They grow up so fast… my niche TH-camr is becoming a sellout. I’m so proud of you Kaluka, keep chasing those big bucks
bro is not his dad
@@dellconagher12i eat sodium
@@KZYTOfficial chloride? the metal? please elaborate
@@MrBrick-vb3xh i regulate sodium
@@dellconagher12 plutonium
Melee weapons in FPS combat are the embodiment of that one panel of Moonknight saying "Random Bullshit, GO!!!!"
Lmao
In terms of PvP games then yes, Melee is often overlooked, but if we want to include PvE then the Vermintide and Darktide series of games have an incredibly detailed and extensive melee system, much to the point where only using your melee for a whole mission isn’t a bad idea.
RWBY Chibi based.
To be fair, those games are melee oriented (Darktide to a lesser degree), so if they didn't it'd be kind of stupid
Ive pushed for this one buff to the Equalizer:
Minicrits performed by the Equalizer are upgraded to full Crits.
This would give it natural synergy with the Buff Banner, even if its kinda a gimmicky (and arguably useless) synergy
so it's just piss man(aggressive melee oriented sniper with jarate and bushwacka, optional sydney sleeper to cover your foes with more urine) but buffer(No pun intended) and more mobile?
A melee weapon is a short range thingy that go wack wack slice slice bonk bonk on the enemies to make them go "YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHH"
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Four out of six (I'm not kaluka)
Ultrakill also has great melee usage. You can parry certain enemy attacks, you can parry projectiles, and you still beat the shit out of something.
Not to mention you can punch the bullets out your shotgun to make them hit harder.
Best use of a parry mechanic of all time.
@@XxEggman_Meme_GodxX or parry a giant's fist back into it's own face
coin
@@waltermarine3248 or even in a boss fight, not your coin
Don't forget about the jackhammer either which works in tandem with movement tech
8:25 “Their most recent experience inside a middle school” UW Stout flash bang, dude just dropped a picture of the college I went to.
This video has a surprising number of Wisconsin references.
13:44 Let me give you an example then! ULTRAKILL has two different Melee options: the Feedbacker and the Knuckleblaster. The Feedbacker is most notable for it’s ability to parry most not hitscan attacks: Enemy Projectiles, Enemy Melee, your own shotgun shells. The knuckleblaster is a damage focused melee, able to hit in a wide aoe and knock enemies way back.
Your deadpan deliveries of abrupt transitions into utterly unhinged digression and back without losing a single beat are my absolute favorite thing about your videos
Best tf2 schizoposter
12:27 This sums it up imo
0:53 made me exhale through my nose sharply at 2am
1:00 i love how as he is asking this, someone in the chat just says "autism?"
Bro sounds like he’s answering it (and it’s sorta true)
As a Splitgate melee main I love the melee in it, not the most interesting or gameplay deep, but with portals it is really fun to mess around with, especially since melee damage scales with velocity so portal cannoning while spamming the melee button is a somewhat viable method
You know TF2 is really good at their wacky melee designs simply because I had to go to the wiki at 19:35 just to make sure that the first affect was a joke, because if any game was going to do that it feels like it'd be TF2
HE MENTIONED TF2!!!! POOTIS HEAVY UPDATE DISPENSER HOOVY TICK TOCK FRIENDLY!!!!!!!
Th 2nd, 3rd and 6th are tf2 weapons. If there are any more or one of them isn’t, just comment and tell me.
this video gave me alzheimer, PTSD, ADHD and schizophrenia all at the same time
The TF2 of videos
Only one alzheimer tho
I already have one of those (the voices the voices the voices the voices)
All I got from it was Alzheimer's and uhhhhhhh... oh right, it also gave me Alzheimer's.
I also have alzheimers!
mothhs clicking the war thunder link sounds like a pretty tall order
0:12 that’s an African wild dog, not a hyena
Nerd
Erm actually🤓
1:34 I want the bucket
Dear god
well! see you all in hell!
Kaluka videos never fail to provide insightful conversation about game design amidst a sea of terrifying, confusing and completely out of pocket comments that come from seemingly nowhere.
I still don't know who that guy is nor do I know why no one else seems to acknowledge the upward penis wall.
But I now know that Mad Island is a game that exists and that He will Awaken in 20 minutes and frankly both of these facts fill me with dread
I googled "TF2 upward penis wall" and the results were disappointing.
Also, Mad Island tier list when?
I'm torn on it. On one hand, it is probably the peak of comedy. On the other, my brain gets so derailed I cannot for the life of me process any and all information that was supposed to be in the preceding sentence.
5:33 THE MAYAN SOUL STEALER MASK???? WHATS IT DOING HERE????
i left it there mb
The market gardener is the best designed weapon in any game ever. It's just such a fun thing and the amount of skill the devs entrusted their players in having to get the best out of it is crazy. And because it's so much harder to use than any ability or watever in other games it gives the user so much flexibility to do cool things with it.
4:30 ok cool thanks for reminding me that I haven't fed by virtual cocker spaniel in 13 years I guess
Partizan's Puncher is such an underrated melee, shame nobody seems to talk about it after the nerfs in Gun Mettle :(
Kaluka's non-sequiturs never fail to make me exhale a little air out of my nose.
WHAT??? WHAT'S UP WITH THE 9:01 PART??? I FEEL SO LOST IS THAT A JOKE? it was so UNEXPECTED i physically recoiled
wym it's the upward backfacing penis?
whats wrong with you why are you physically recoiling at a tf2 video
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I will physically recoil at whatever I want to.
Are you mentally well? Most people should understand what is meant by this. Maybe you're stupid?
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 pineal gland calcification medications destroying brain
battlefield (specifically bf1) also has neat melees imo. theres 3 classes of melee, that do more damage and swing at varying speeds. the melees are valid weapons that you can hold out, not just an ability on a button (though they can do that too). they also allow for instakill backstabs like the spy (along with a cool animation). the bayonet charge also instantly kills any enemy you hit, although it makes you very vulnerable (like demoknight).
Also, they destroy terrain, opening lines of sight or removing obstacles to movement
And when you ride the horse the best way to kill someone is with a melee attack (at least for me)
@@giorgaras1851 hell yeah dude i top-scored servers with an iron hoof back in the day
The partisan’s puncher is my favorite heavy melee- my strange just got up to 500 kills earlier today!!
Turbo Overkill also has an interesting melee weapon design. The Chainsaw Leg is a really fun weapon that allows you to fly into a bunch of enemies and turn them into a bloody cloud.
Basically, in my opinion, one of the best ways to make melee weapons work in FPS games is to give them the ability to turn you into a “living projectile” in the same way as Demoknight and Nitro fists do.
1:06 Bro thinks he's Dora the explorer 😭
lmao
lmao
Lmao
your deadpan humor is perfect
Rainbow six has a pretty unique melee system that even has a few specific characters that have their kit basically based around it and it's all thanks to its soft destruction system. Every operator can make a small hole you can see/shoot through in some floors/walls just by meleeing it, and can completely destroy door barricades just by hitting them three times. There are also a variety of bulletproof gadgets that are rendered near useless, or even broken just by meleeing them like Maestro and Mira. And shoot, some operators main gadgets are based around melee like Sledge or Aruni.
The system 100 present is a wrench based system, to a point where getting a knife kill is considered a joke, but it is a pretty unique melee system.
Forget the whole video. I saw hyenas (my favorite animal) and was immediately watching the video
"You know what's weird? Hyenas" *shows a wild dog*
2:55 nah bro did us dirty with that joke 😭🙏
What joke?
Surprised you didn’t mention ULTRAKILL, since its melee ability is probably the best of its’ class.
Yes, I was also was looking for the #16474848585765 video saying positive things about Ultrakill. The feedbacker provides positive feedback to your cranium in large quantities (like airblast but you punch it)!
He did want to restrict his overview to mainly multiplayer games as much as he could.
@@redactedoktor ultrakill is ultrakill tho
@@toophoot2757🤦♂️
have you heard of ultrakill
The beggining soundes like hundreds of vote calls
So bots when a real player joins the game.
1:10 "Pointy end goes into other man."
"I want to be a bit of TH-camr for a second. Not like that not like that!"
Fan-fucking-tastic
i dont feel like theres any good way to define melee weapons. like, some are more for utility than anything, and others come with their own projectile, so a melee is really just anything the game says is a melee
a melee weapon is you hit them instead of shooting them
A melee is the third slot weapon.
Unless you are Spy, or some unique flavors of Demoman, this weapon will usually be your least used weapon; as its common traits of minimal range and usually lackluster killpower make it very unreliable, and its one common strength, being a bottomless magazine and infinite ammo, is one that is only rarely valuable.
These weapons are, except in the aforementioned case od Spy and some Demomen, quite commonly exchanged for weapons with even worse applications in actual combat, for some kind of auxiliary benefit to the class, as the actual combat application of the weapon is of often negligible benefit, as compared to whatever other benefit the weapon provides. This philosophy is best exemplified by Engineer, whose stock melee has this function.
My favorite melee weapon is the Pompsona
@@corruptofficial8638mine is the classic
15:49 the 2nd most insane gaslighting attempt i've seen out of this community
been in the game for 9 years now idk what you're on
@@kalukagamingfellaguy Uh huh, sure
I saw it to
What was that? I'm so confused
@@yonatanavidor8299 Kaluka makes up the "Partizan's Puncher" while listing great weapons.
You make me open up Upward in hammer dawg
Was there a penis wall?
Is there?
@@CursedSFMS of course not
Splitgate has an interestening melee attack. It deals 50 damage, but when you drop faster, it increases and will eventually one hit you. Since the game is build around portals (like in Portal), this mechanic is pretty cool.
holy shit i forgot it had a Market Gardener effect
i actually loved Splitgate for a while but the devs abandoned it to work on a sequel (which looks bad) so quickly :/
I love those random off-topic moments that make me have to second guess my existence
He makes videos now
A melee weapon: a weapon that does not require you to manually pull a trigger or launch out of a blaster, it requires only 1 hand (sometimes 2) to use. You have to be up close & personal with it
Battlefield 1 had the Bayonet charge and everyone lost their minds at how cool it was for a while
My definition of a meelee weapon: A stick you hit people with
The Mayan soul stealer mask bit always makes me giggle whenever I watch this video
Friends vs Friends, a game listed when you showed a bunch of random steam games earlier in the video, has a melee thats on par or better than half the guns, with the ability in the game to use cards that have effects to have synergy with your melee weapon
Remnant and Remnant 2 have melee weapons that are just Melee weapons, but also some of them have fun different playstyles or utility as well.
Damn. You just summed up my view of melee weapons and their need for better balance/opportunity in just one video. Well done!
The way Ultrakill makes its melee weapons into highly versatile combo tools is def the best use of the melee concept ive seen
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On Hit: 19:38
The jokes in this video have some of the most schizophrenic writing I’ve seen since Gaming in the Clinton Years and it’s the funniest thing I’ve seen this month.
0:53 why is no one talking about this more
We all unanimously agree this joke is too goated to be spoken
23:03 "basketball"
The soul stealer mask bit got me so good haha.
A melee *weapon* to *me* is where you have choices of different melees, rather than just having the one stock Melee attack to use in a pinch. TF2 vs OW is a great example of a game with Melee *weapons* vs a game that has Melee attacks in it.
Melee weapons in an FPS game are either one of three things:
1. A specific fallback weapon when a ranged weapon isn't an option (i.e. totally dry on both primary and secondary ammo), such as the traditional combat knife
2. stealth kill button that isn't actually wielded as a separate weapon but instead is a keypress which near-instantly deals an amount of damage to a nearby target (and may or may not lock you into a kill animation), again see the knife.
3. An incredibly powerful borderline primary weapon to reward being willing to close in with enemies that have a range advantage on you. The Trench Raider in Battlefield 1, for instance.
This does not apply if your game ends in "Tide" and is a licensed Warhammer property, however.
My favorite is 3 with the gravity hammers of halo and if it counts the kreige's buzz are in borderlands 2
14:11 close your eyes and imagine tf2
I see sniper
Also "Running around trying to stab somebody" is spy moment
Fire thumbnail
ty
A weapon that is close range only
Haven't actually watched the video till the end yet, but I really want to appretiate the way you hook attention of the viewer. The script, the editing, the audio is so nice. Especially I really liked when you suddenly introduced a photo of some dude. Gonna watch the video to find out, hope its not just random guy
what are we supposed to be thinking about at 24:52
Thinking the same thing plz help
Yes also curious
probably valves new fps game gridlock which is still in closed beta, it's supposed to combine hero shooters and mobas among other things
Deadlock*
Yeah I think it was Deadlock. Kaluka put one tiny clip of Deadlock at 16:04, so that means he was definitely aware of the game when making this video. And I'm pretty sure there was still an NDA in effect when this video was uploaded, which would explain the roundabout way of mentioning it.
Deadlock doesn't exactly fit the video's premise, because you don't choose your weapon in Deadlock, only your character. So "choosing to use a melee weapon instead of a ranged weapon" just doesn't apply conceptually.
It does have an engaging melee system though. No cool melee weapons, but a solid system that rewards players for using it.
“Every single FPS says melee weapons are an after thought”
The kid named Energy Sword and Gravity Hammer: 💀
Kid named gravity hammer gets his lunch money stolen by kid named watching until the part about halo
4:32 Nintendogs :D
A good game with good melees are either destiny 1 or 2. Every class has its own melee, but if you sacrifice 1 buff or 1 modifier, but your melee gets an ability. Pretty cool.
Ultrakill did melee weapons perfectly
melee weapon = enemy gets close and dies instantly
And i hate it.
@@capperbuns Why? That is the point
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Indie Developers love watching videos like this because it reminds us to think of these things because of how easy it is to forget these things when you got so much to already worry about in a game
A melle weapon is a weapon that doesn't require ammo but also has a short rand and doesn't shoot projectiles
I love melee weapons in DRG. Besides their quite obvious purpose of mining terrain, they are really versatile in combat.
The power attack can instantly take down immediate threats like a slasher that got too close or a small group of grunts. It is also extremely efficient at dealing with heavily armoured targets that your guns might struggle with even going as fast as piercing the usually invulnerable front armour of an oppressor.
If used on big targets it also saves a good chunk of ammo in a game where every last bullet can count.
When used in combination with the vampire perk it is the only non limited way of healing yourself and a good way to get a consistent self revive with Iron Will.
There's also the robot enemies who are infamous bullet sponges but have an extreme weakness to melee mostly going down in a single power attack (if your can get close enough).
The Finals is another example of there being a sort of low damaging melee for everyone, but the choice of choosing a specific melee weapon instead of a gun that has some cool things, like the sledgehammer that can break map geometry and nearly instakill people, as well as the dual katanas which can reflect bullets to where you're aiming.
The Finals has melee weapons in it, and all have a utility making them an actual option compared to guns.
been searching for someone to mention the finals
I noticed you enjoy the deadbolt soundtrack, good taste.
vermintide lives by its melee combat, with each melee having block angles, stamina usage and combos, and each part of the attack combo having different attack ranges, angles, cleave etc.
this entire video's script is a run-on sentence and my add loves it, thank you
Weapon of short range, with infinite ammo, sometimes can break, sometimes not, melee weapon go bonk on enemies.
if a weapon can only deal damage in kissing range. usually whilst facing the opponent. then it’s a melle weapon
5:32 "heres spy!..."
"no that is the *MAYAN SOUL STEALER MASK"*
one of the many examples of me laughing at random comedy
I like how krunker handles it's knives, the knifes are both the wrench and the knife. They can help with movement by controlling slidehopping momentum, and when thrown, it can one-shot any player.
Kaluka: "you know whats weird? hyenas"
Kaluka: proceeds to not show a hyena
It genuinely baffles me how you don’t have more subscribers, your content is such a breath of fresh air and is just very well made
Ty!
Just so you know, the “no, not like that” joke made me subscribe instantly.
My definition of a melee weapon would be:
A short to point-blank range weapon that is used by swinging it around.
This can include hand accessories that partially, or fully cover the hands.
So technically a ghillie or morph suit would count.
To defend the evil cod of duty the black ops series has the ballistic knife which was an incredibly fun knife that shot the blade. It worked as a great glass cannon having a max 2 ammo and needing to physically retrieve the blades but kill in one hit. You could argue its less of a melee weapons since the main utility is shooting it but tf2 has stuff like the sandman and the flying guillotine.
Cod of duty, the fish, or call of duty of duty, dutyception
@@SomeVRKid yes
I don't think I've ever come across another channel that was so informative and yet so occasionally unhinged
I'm glad you talked about only other games for 80% of the video about TF2 melee weapons. It's honestly a breath of fresh air to see those other games even if they don't do the melee gameplay perfectly.
Bro has ADHD premium
1:02 foreshadowing is a narrative device in which a storyteller gives an advance hint of what is to come later in the story