That all depends. Remember, these particular loco's are 50 years old and can only lift half the load of an NR class (615 tonnes compared to 1230 tonnes). The electric loco's also had only 1500V in the overhead to play with and that limitation was a problem, particularly on the coal trains working up the Como Bank.
It riminds me of the old 900 class loco which looked very much the same going uup through the Adelaide hills when I was a kid . They were so slow you could walk next to them.
I wonder if any of these private companies ever thought of importing a few surplus Class 37 EEs from the UK? They actually have a higher tractive effort than a 44 and most were rebuilt with new traction generators, plus they'd have no problem on NSW loading gauge.
Marc Conyard the 37's are great locos, but in order to run in Australia, their cooling groups (radiators) need to be much larger, to cope with our hotter climate
no parts for them here, getting parts would be expensive, no local experience on operating the 37s plus no experience in maintaining them = loads of money
I'm A mechanical fitter, Started at the railways and have rebuilt locos from the ground up and they do have transmissions. A transmission is defined as a "machine consists of a power source and a power transmission system, which provides controlled application of the power". Conventional gear/belt transmissions are not the only mechanism for speed/torque adaptation. Alternative mechanisms include torque converters and power transformation e.g,diesel-electric transmission, hydraulic drive system
That line looks like it could handle a big electric the size of the old Milwaukee Road Bi-polar engines. Awesome vid though, those Alcos are really working hard.
Forgive my ignorance but I assume by "double the hill" you mean set back and try again.Not a good idea in an automatic section which permits following movements! Highly illegal as well without authorisation. If the train is not going to get up first time then its not going to get up no matter how many times you try. American rules and regulations do not apply worldwide. Failures on this bank are quite common and assistance from the rear is normally the solution.
Not quite as old as that section of the northern line in that case. Many would not realise that the line used to finish at Hawkesbury / Long Island and passengers would transfer to a steamer to travel Broken Bay into Brisbane Waters and Gosford. The line to Newcastle would recommence there. The construction of the magnificent bridge and Woy Woy tunnel (longest railway tunnel in Australia when built) changed everything.
Mate, what a mission this is, what are gtrease pots, why dont they have a loco at Hawkesbury River to give a push? Do you Know a driver named Gary Turnbull I live down the road from him.
I'm sure we have some old Dash-8s running around here that you could borrow. While it's great that you're using old F7s and all, I think you should upgrade for heavy freight duty.
why is everyone suggesting electric locos, isnt the power plant energizing those over head lines spilling out even more pollution than 3 diesel-electric locos? How much more horse power are you getting from them anyway?
For sure the powerplant pollutes more, it also produce more power than those three diesels, but that not the point. The point of electric over diesel is that the whole supply chain is (a bit) more efficient in favor of electric. Forthermore the location of the powerplant can be more remote, reducing the direct effect of pollution. It also greatly reduces the direct noise polution. Modern electic locs (like the TRAXX) can produce a lot of power en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRAXX Compared to a modern "big" diesel from GE it roughly twice as much en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GE_locomotives#Evolution_Series_.28introduced_2005.29 That said electrics in this example may not even apply, if the strech of rail with overhead wires is short compared to the total trip. In the US and Australia only densely populated regions or main coridors are likely to have overhead wiring. Trains running long distance may soon find themselves out of reach of the electric network. In West Europe (Mainland) a fast amount of track is electrified (like the main cargo corridors) and most (freight) trains are electric. So using electric or diesel is down to circumstance / availibility.
??? Wtf ??? Try running that one by Locomotive Ops out of Delec or Eveleigh/ACDEP back when. Are you for real ??? Ever heard of a banking- engine mate? What you're saying is like "let's push that Kenworth hauled road-train along with a moped. Get real old son. Kind regards ex Eveleigh/ACDEP, Delec, Taree & Sth Grafton via Sydney and Ballina. MATE.
@@christiankirkwood3402 and where is your banking engine that three are struggling ? how old is your Kenworth ? 1960's ? there's three of them and they ain't K200s and they're struggling, why not assist ? get the job done and stop wasting time energy and loco failing engine parts being overstressed
@@daverave9483 Yeah thanks. Not. I'll make a retrospective entry into my 20yrs ex career starting at Eveleigh/ACDEP then DELEC, Taree, Sth Grafton... much appreciated. Kind regards from Sydney and Ballina. MATE.
@@daverave9483 Don't be so anal. The Kenworth/Moped thing was a metaphor obviously lost on you in context. Ive never driven one. The question was about an electric set banking. You think I've never banked or been banked up Cowan Bank??? Don't be a smartie.
this intermodal goes outer electrified line which is useless if you use electrics, this is the case for australia in this video and before you say "why not make a bi mode locomotive?" remember this video is very old and bi mode isnt exist
Until they stopped, only two of the three locos were pulling the load. Once the third loco was "on-lined", they got going with ease! I would not be surprised if this was "Staged" or the result of "Human Error"!
Why do railways about the world persist in putting too much behind what locomotives are rated to haul? It's an arse for the loco crew, and train control, and only means delay while a banker is sought if it stalls. Better somehow to have only the rated load and no more in the start!
@youthwith Yeah actually you are right, they use the 12-cyl version of the Alco 251B, wheras the WDM-2(the most common diesel loco in india) use the 16-cyl version. But still they are not junk, just as the indian version is not. Or else they wouldnt have lasted for 50 years+. :-)
I am not a railway expert. I just like trains of all kinds, however.... ...it seems to me, these trains 'struggling' on any hill climb, are grossly overloaded or, under powered. This wouldn't be allowed to happen on a road freight truck, why is it permitted on trains? Has someone got a logical answer to this?
Yes it bloody well would. But we have Oil Burning American Based thinking here. Bloody Crap isn't it. Well Electric Traction was used before so the substations should be up to this. What the hell will happen when the oil runs out?
Ever heard of Electro-Diesels if you don't want to switch locos?. A UK Freight company is buying some and they are already used here in the UK (on 3rd rail electrified routes but the new locos are for 25kv ac overhead) in Spain and South Africa for freight.
well we don't have them here so its a mute point...... plus the wired system is owned by the government commuter rail system so the private freight companies would have to pay big dollars to use it one would presume. The big freight companies such as Pacific National would have done cost/ benefit analysis for each type of loco haulage, believe me
+188basstrom the greater Sydney area (which is as far as NSW electric overhead goes) is 1500 volts DC and imposes limits on how much power you can get out of it for freight - a sensible choice for its original passenger purpose years earlier, not particularly suitable for heavy freight purposes now. The coal trains typically run with 12000 diesel horsepower , sadly it seems its not possible to draw that much from the overhead we have for electrics
Really? You know the train was overloaded? If that train was over the load it would not have restarted as the required tractive effort to lift it is much higher than what is required to keep it moving. Most likely one loco had laid down, and problem corrected before attempted restart, probably stuck contactor or something similar.
They need stronger locomotives-In Australia, they have been buying a lot of those strong North American AC locomotives from General Electric and EMD/Catapiller-looks like they need that here as well as maybe some DPU locomotives.
Electrics were commonly used when the rail system was vertically integrated. When above and below rail operations were separated, the owner of the network would charge an operator to run a train. If the operator chose to run an electric, they were also charged with power usage, despite the fact that electric locos had capability to feed power back into the wire. It ended up cheaper to run diesels, and an environmentally friendly power became redundant, unfortunately.
I think the company that run the goods trains couldn't be arsed dealing with buing the juice or they were American and didnt do OHLE come hell or high water!
He stopped because he knew the (electric) transmission was about to be fried alive, and needed a rest. Two choices: - - Try to keep goijg, and melt the transmission. - Stop, and let the transmission cool down. Pretty obvious choice?
That was the 46's 'secret' A 46 had the whole state/national electrical grid to draw on, so speed was rarely forfeited, as astonshing power was available at any time. Diesel-elecs only have their puny glorified air compressors with fuel valves (injectors) to depend on, and the difference is embarrassing. Speed falls markedly, and the amperage draw on the transmission becomes intolerable, as you can see here.
Simple economics. Put too many locos on a train and a job which makes a slim profit then runs at a loss. Loco shortages often mean trains run with just enough motive power. The train obviously came to a stand due to a problem such as a trailing unit failing to load up, clearly rectified after the train stopped. Maximum loads up banks like these are set so the loco operates within its design limit i.e. about 18km/h and amperage just under redline. Something was wrong here.
This train halving and 4 loco's einsetzen.2 smaller trains with two locomotives on each train. would be better and faster vorran and would save a lot of diesel, right? Would not even think of such as a professional driver as an idea. Why a giant train with only three locomotives driving, as in this video. Have already seen some videos where such train are station wagons on the railway line on the road and at a mountain the locomotives or the limits crossed the borders and the train to stop coming. The power but absolutely no sense.
TONNAGE IS TONNAGE AND HORSEPOWER IS HORSEPOWER! IF YOU WERE GOING TO DIVIDE THE POWER AND LOAD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DIVIDED EQUALLY, POWER AND TONNAGE BOTH! THE TRAINS TOP SPEED IS A HORSEPOWER TO WEIGHT FORMULA WITH THE GRADE PERCENTAGE FIGURED IN! THEREFORE , MORE GRADE EQUALS LESS SPEED! ALSO ANOTHER FACTOR IS THE AMPERAGE SHORT TIME RATINGS OF THE TRACTION MOTORS! HIGH AMPERAGE PULL AND SLOW SPEEDS CAUSE HIGH TEMPERATURES IN THE TRACTION MOTOR WINDINGS! EXCEED THESE LIMITS AND YOU FRY THE TRACTION MOTORS!
I love how the V set is just "Get the hell out of my way" and flies past it.
I grew up in the age of steam so I am not usually a diesel fan but the sounds on this video are great. Thanks for sharing.
That all depends. Remember, these particular loco's are 50 years old and can only lift half the load of an NR class (615 tonnes compared to 1230 tonnes). The electric loco's also had only 1500V in the overhead to play with and that limitation was a problem, particularly on the coal trains working up the Como Bank.
Fabulous. Captured the struggle perfectly. Fantastic job. Kudos
Sooo many experts on here
It may be better for the equipment to double the hill instead of killing traction motors and engines...
It riminds me of the old 900 class loco which looked very much the same going uup through the Adelaide hills when I was a kid . They were so slow you could walk next to them.
@lloydbolier - Yes, there speed boards. The 55 is for freight trains and the 60 is for passenger trains.
I wonder if any of these private companies ever thought of importing a few surplus Class 37 EEs from the UK? They actually have a higher tractive effort than a 44 and most were rebuilt with new traction generators, plus they'd have no problem on NSW loading gauge.
Marc Conyard the 37's are great locos, but in order to run in Australia, their cooling groups (radiators) need to be much larger, to cope with our hotter climate
no parts for them here, getting parts would be expensive, no local experience on operating the 37s plus no experience in maintaining them = loads of money
@Aussie Pom the shitbox helga still runs does it
I last touched them in 2018 and was glad to say goodbye
Still, the sound of multiple 12CSVTs working hard with twin turbos would be nice on Cowan Bank.
Fantastic video !
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can
But very short on "I know I can, I know I can." Sorry:+((
ALCo 251 prime movers in the lead units?
Hard to understand how they could let a pos freight like that out in a dense passenger operations zone.
yep, its aussie...Bi directional- we need a little of that in n. america. nice trains down under.
I'm A mechanical fitter, Started at the railways and have rebuilt locos from the ground up and they do have transmissions. A transmission is defined as a "machine consists of a power source and a power transmission system, which provides controlled application of the power". Conventional gear/belt transmissions are not the only mechanism for speed/torque adaptation. Alternative mechanisms include torque converters and power transformation e.g,diesel-electric transmission, hydraulic drive system
Cowan Bank 8.6 k's of 1:40 grade..... Used to test new locos.
3801’s adhesion tests were taken there
That line looks like it could handle a big electric the size of the old Milwaukee Road Bi-polar engines. Awesome vid though, those Alcos are really working hard.
Lovely capture!
THESE TRAINS ARE FUCKEN TUFF !
Forgive my ignorance but I assume by "double the hill" you mean set back and try again.Not a good idea in an automatic section which permits following movements! Highly illegal as well without authorisation. If the train is not going to get up first time then its not going to get up no matter how many times you try. American rules and regulations do not apply worldwide. Failures on this bank are quite common and assistance from the rear is normally the solution.
New South Wales, Australia, about 35 miles North of Sydney.
Listen to those babies purr, eargasmic.
On the northern edge of the Sydney metropolitan are, NSW, Australia.
Wow, that was awesome!
So the 44's and JL stopped mid-climb, but was actually able to start it back up
I guess it is appropriate but 4458 was 44 years old when that was filmed. The youngest of those locos was 34 years old. Great video.
Not quite as old as that section of the northern line in that case. Many would not realise that the line used to finish at Hawkesbury / Long Island and passengers would transfer to a steamer to travel Broken Bay into Brisbane Waters and Gosford. The line to Newcastle would recommence there. The construction of the magnificent bridge and Woy Woy tunnel (longest railway tunnel in Australia when built) changed everything.
A lot of lines in America and australia are like that for trains travelling high speeds so their Center of gravity doesn't cause the train to tip.
Mate, what a mission this is, what are gtrease pots, why dont they have a loco at Hawkesbury River to give a push? Do you Know a driver named Gary Turnbull I live down the road from him.
Makes no different how much power you have on headend the couplers will only handle so much pressure. Less in cold weather than summer.
Why would any railroad be using such old engines to begin with ?
shortages and this video is before these old gals retired
Great Sound!!
I'm sure we have some old Dash-8s running around here that you could borrow. While it's great that you're using old F7s and all, I think you should upgrade for heavy freight duty.
This was 19 years ago, they're alco worlds not f7s and we already have hundreds of dash 9s
Nice grade, nice S currving to add resistance and put less locos .... recipe for stall.
why did he stop when he managed to start again with out a problem?2nd wind for the oaps lol
why is everyone suggesting electric locos, isnt the power plant energizing those over head lines spilling out even more pollution than 3 diesel-electric locos? How much more horse power are you getting from them anyway?
For sure the powerplant pollutes more, it also produce more power than those three diesels, but that not the point. The point of electric over diesel is that the whole supply chain is (a bit) more efficient in favor of electric. Forthermore the location of the powerplant can be more remote, reducing the direct effect of pollution.
It also greatly reduces the direct noise polution.
Modern electic locs (like the TRAXX) can produce a lot of power en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRAXX
Compared to a modern "big" diesel from GE it roughly twice as much en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GE_locomotives#Evolution_Series_.28introduced_2005.29
That said electrics in this example may not even apply, if the strech of rail with overhead wires is short compared to the total trip. In the US and Australia only densely populated regions or main coridors are likely to have overhead wiring. Trains running long distance may soon find themselves out of reach of the electric network.
In West Europe (Mainland) a fast amount of track is electrified (like the main cargo corridors) and most (freight) trains are electric.
So using electric or diesel is down to circumstance / availibility.
Dont forget the fuckton amount of volt do you need to make it stronger
Nice video, but dont understand why they didnt double the hill.
Would it be a silly idea to get the interurban to bank the freight train ?
??? Wtf ??? Try running that one by Locomotive Ops out of Delec or Eveleigh/ACDEP back when. Are you for real ??? Ever heard of a banking- engine mate? What you're saying is like "let's push that Kenworth hauled road-train along with a moped. Get real old son. Kind regards ex Eveleigh/ACDEP, Delec, Taree & Sth Grafton via Sydney and Ballina. MATE.
@@christiankirkwood3402 and where is your banking engine that three are struggling ?
how old is your Kenworth ? 1960's ? there's three of them and they ain't K200s and they're struggling, why not assist ?
get the job done and stop wasting time energy and loco failing engine parts being overstressed
@@daverave9483 Yeah thanks. Not. I'll make a retrospective entry into my 20yrs ex career starting at Eveleigh/ACDEP then DELEC, Taree, Sth Grafton... much appreciated. Kind regards from Sydney and Ballina. MATE.
@@daverave9483 Don't be so anal. The Kenworth/Moped thing was a metaphor obviously lost on you in context. Ive never driven one. The question was about an electric set banking. You think I've never banked or been banked up Cowan Bank??? Don't be a smartie.
Needed another loco
@millenzep Can you tell me how much coal was burnt to produce this clean, green power?
These are diesel locos!
Why don't the yuse electric locomotives? It would be no problem for one! Whe using diesels under catenary? Or is it down?
this intermodal goes outer electrified line which is useless if you use electrics, this is the case for australia in this video and before you say "why not make a bi mode locomotive?" remember this video is very old and bi mode isnt exist
Don't know where this is but nice video
did the train have helpers at the back ?
@kingdl72 Sorry but most indian diesel locos have 2400hp or 3100hp engines. These have 1800hp.
the indian railways engineers were "hotrodding" those 251 alcos to make up to 3900 hp from 16 cyls.
Until they stopped, only two of the three locos were pulling the load. Once the third loco was "on-lined", they got going with ease! I would not be surprised if this was "Staged" or the result of "Human Error"!
Why do railways about the world persist in putting too much behind what locomotives are rated to haul? It's an arse for the loco crew, and train control, and only means delay while a banker is sought if it stalls. Better somehow to have only the rated load and no more in the start!
Brilliant video and sound, whats the grade ?
We Need More POWERRRRRRRRRR!!!
dude. those are 50 +yrs old locomotives most likely pulling more than they were built for on a steep grade
@youthwith Yeah actually you are right, they use the 12-cyl version of the Alco 251B, wheras the WDM-2(the most common diesel loco in india) use the 16-cyl version. But still they are not junk, just as the indian version is not. Or else they wouldnt have lasted for 50 years+. :-)
Where is this that no headlight is used? Australia?
well yeah its aussie duhh??
@@voidjavelin23 < Why post your IQ?
@@robertgift is there a problem answering peoples question?
I am not a railway expert. I just like trains of all kinds, however....
...it seems to me, these trains 'struggling' on any hill climb, are grossly overloaded or, under powered.
This wouldn't be allowed to happen on a road freight truck, why is it permitted on trains?
Has someone got a logical answer to this?
Would it be are better if they had a stand by pusher, they did in the 50s & 60s,
thats the way, load those alco's up!!
ONE 46 would have 'shit that grade'.
But they were electrics, not diesel-electrics.
You are so intelligent
Looks like an old EMD + a GM + an old pacific national
+Lyall Boulton no, all three are Alcos .Two NSWGR 44s and a 442
It looks like Wilson from Chuggington
@@mariaalatorre7287 wilson is more british train than a american or even australian
It has been decades since anyone could see ALCO cabs running on the mainline.
Is it just me or is that locomotive leaning?
Wouldn't it be more sensible to use electric traction?
Yes it bloody well would. But we have Oil Burning American Based thinking here. Bloody Crap isn't it. Well Electric Traction was used before so the substations should be up to this. What the hell will happen when the oil runs out?
Freight trains move on to many un wired sections out of the city metro area, so no it wouldn't work
Ever heard of Electro-Diesels if you don't want to switch locos?. A UK Freight company is buying some and they are already used here in the UK (on 3rd rail electrified routes but the new locos are for 25kv ac overhead) in Spain and South Africa for freight.
well we don't have them here so its a mute point...... plus the wired system is owned by the government commuter rail system so the private freight companies would have to pay big dollars to use it one would presume. The big freight companies such as Pacific National would have done cost/ benefit analysis for each type of loco haulage, believe me
+188basstrom the greater Sydney area (which is as far as NSW electric overhead goes) is 1500 volts DC and imposes limits on how much power you can get out of it for freight - a sensible choice for its original passenger purpose years earlier, not particularly suitable for heavy freight purposes now. The coal trains typically run with 12000 diesel horsepower , sadly it seems its not possible to draw that much from the overhead we have for electrics
I like train videos on TH-cam 👍
Did one of the locomotives stall?
By the looks of things I'd say so.
Really? You know the train was overloaded? If that train was over the load it would not have restarted as the required tractive effort to lift it is much higher than what is required to keep it moving. Most likely one loco had laid down, and problem corrected before attempted restart, probably stuck contactor or something similar.
They need stronger locomotives-In Australia, they have been buying a lot of those strong North American AC locomotives from General Electric and EMD/Catapiller-looks like they need that here as well as maybe some DPU locomotives.
@mattemtris and semi trucks with two stroke cummins engines
I think they should of carried some speed before the hill as Cowan bank is steep and on a curve, With also being damp the drivers done well.
You obviously do not know much about that section of the northern line.
@123legodude sorry but cummins never made a 2 cycle diesel engine. you are thinking of detroit diesel
Electrics were commonly used when the rail system was vertically integrated. When above and below rail operations were separated, the owner of the network would charge an operator to run a train. If the operator chose to run an electric, they were also charged with power usage, despite the fact that electric locos had capability to feed power back into the wire. It ended up cheaper to run diesels, and an environmentally friendly power became redundant, unfortunately.
I think the company that run the goods trains couldn't be arsed dealing with buing the juice or they were American and didnt do OHLE come hell or high water!
Good video
@YB49887 oh thats what i was thinking of. lol sorry bro. i always get them two mixed up for some strange reason
Go the mighty 44's
With around 15-1800 tonnes? Don't think so. An NR class can only take around 1200 tonnes.
Shame we don't see the whole train.
I don't have All week to watch a 5 minutes of train going up a hill
He stopped because he knew the (electric) transmission was about to be fried alive, and needed a rest.
Two choices: -
- Try to keep goijg, and melt the transmission.
- Stop, and let the transmission cool down.
Pretty obvious choice?
These locomotives traction motors most have been fried!
Whatever happened to using sand to get traction??? sometimes its better to not stand on your pride as an engineer
quel bel effort!
A good way to burn up traction motors but looks good on the ton-miles.
I know why they Struggled they were all alco's they had no EMD's
What's the problem here?
stalled
That was the 46's 'secret'
A 46 had the whole state/national electrical grid to draw on, so speed was rarely forfeited, as astonshing power was available at any time.
Diesel-elecs only have their puny glorified air compressors with fuel valves (injectors) to depend on, and the difference is embarrassing. Speed falls markedly, and the amperage draw on the transmission becomes intolerable, as you can see here.
yep,and 3 46's climbing that hill would brown out the national grid too.
I don't know why they didn't just drop it down into granny low.
If electric locomotives were still around on NSW railways electrified section two or three of them would pull that train up Cowan bank a lot faster.
what the f***k?? those are old alcos similar to spanish 316 & 318 series, those are old ladies, keep em safe!!
to this day they still save but majority doesnt move on their muscle
Simple economics. Put too many locos on a train and a job which makes a slim profit then runs at a loss. Loco shortages often mean trains run with just enough motive power. The train obviously came to a stand due to a problem such as a trailing unit failing to load up, clearly rectified after the train stopped. Maximum loads up banks like these are set so the loco operates within its design limit i.e. about 18km/h and amperage just under redline. Something was wrong here.
It is just an old loco, and besides you're using electric and diesel usually does the job, it is too worn out anyways.
The shit electrics could not handle this kind of job!!
It's an intermodal train. Better handled by electric traction. If you want lots of noise and smoke better go back to using steam:-)))
szep
its an alco --as close to steam without a boiler!!
my point exactly!!!
2:30 Time to double the hill.
Look Im no railway expert but It seem obvious to me to simply have a Loco waiting at the start of the climb to give these poor old buggers a push..
bad management allowing this to happen.
where was their backup when u need 1 lol
I know why it went wrong they were all alco's the had no EMD's
This train halving and 4 loco's einsetzen.2 smaller trains with two locomotives on each train. would be better and faster vorran and would save a lot of diesel, right? Would not even think of such as a professional driver as an idea. Why a giant train with only three locomotives driving, as in this video. Have already seen some videos where such train are station wagons on the railway line on the road and at a mountain the locomotives or the limits crossed the borders and the train to stop coming. The power but absolutely no sense.
One loco was clearly not powering. Judging by the relatively easy re-start the problem was clearly rectified when the train stopped.
TONNAGE IS TONNAGE AND HORSEPOWER IS HORSEPOWER! IF YOU WERE GOING TO DIVIDE THE POWER AND LOAD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DIVIDED EQUALLY, POWER AND TONNAGE BOTH! THE TRAINS TOP SPEED IS A HORSEPOWER TO WEIGHT FORMULA WITH THE GRADE PERCENTAGE FIGURED IN!
THEREFORE , MORE GRADE EQUALS LESS SPEED! ALSO ANOTHER FACTOR IS THE AMPERAGE SHORT TIME RATINGS OF THE TRACTION MOTORS! HIGH AMPERAGE PULL AND SLOW SPEEDS CAUSE HIGH TEMPERATURES IN THE TRACTION MOTOR WINDINGS! EXCEED THESE LIMITS AND YOU FRY THE TRACTION MOTORS!
Nice video :-)
44 Class are monsters
+Daddy Flump England Yeh they look as well
Surely this train was under engined. Needed a banker. Safety hazard at such low speed.
this has got to be australia..
that was a struggle
3801 didn't have a problem in 1990......StateRail/FreightRail/RailCorp/wotever had the problem.
Yeah, but even an old 46 class could manage about 3500hp continuously.
It is leaning
This is great to see....thanks for posting.....I don't like electric trains at all...... they are extremely boring
This is What Happens when you put AMATEURS in charge of a Railway !!Definitely could not organize Piss up In BREWERY !!