Imagine having the towing capacity of a train....Which is the oldest successful Hybrid electric drivetrain in the world..... And being able to recoup 30% of the energy you spent going up the hill, coming down the other side. If the truck carrying the foam was the same, and the one pulling concrete were an EV? The EV would not even slow down...... Trucking companies will gladly give up 5000 lbs hauling capacity a trip to give it the range they need if its going to cost them 60% less in fuel and maintenance. Hell There are trailer manufacturers who are already prototyping EV drivetrains ON the trailers. You can fit 10kw of solar on a 53' dry goods unit. It operates by a strain gauge on the ball of the trailer, the more the truck pulls, the more it contributes. when the truck slows it goes into regeneration and slows as well.
@@davefroman4700 and then use tidal wave energy technology on the shock absorbers and suspension. each time the shocks move up and down during vehicle operation, electricity is generated to provide continuous battery charging. For regions with no developed charging network, turn the trucks into series hybrids(all hail the diesel-electric loco)...remove the gearboxes and propellor shaft. fit a suitably sized alternator on the engine(make it a Genset). then on the differential fit a motor of appropriate power. now cable the Genset to the motor and there we go!...add in a supercapacitor(its lighter and charges and discharges faster than a lithium batt) to recover power during slow down which can be redeployed automatically once a certain SOC in the supercapacitor is attained.
@@davefroman4700 I wouldn't call a locomotive a hybrid. It's more of a diesel with an electric drivetrain. The regeneration is just a braking system. It is not stored and the diesel has to be running to have any kws. However, I do agree. Trucks should have gone to the same form of power delivery long ago.
1 ton of foam mattress and 1 ton of cement weigh the same....just wanted to point it out. Normally in trucking biz the trucks are loaded upto the weight capacity, hence bear this in mind as well....
I am enjoying the Jamaican commentary and trucks blowing the horn for you, not enjoying the suicidal overtaking, the drivers are looking like they enjoy the job
Nothing sounds like an old 2-stroke Detroit Diesel. Got a friend of mine who has a 75 Peterbilt 359 Long Nose with the 13.9L V12 (12V71). It has 2 turbos, and with ONLY 14 psi boost total, it pushes 930 HP @ 2700 rpm and 2440 lb. ft of torque @ 1600 rpm, not to mention a 3000 rpm redline.
look up "12V71 Bus" by Bus Grease Monkey. It's a 2:50 ish clip....and you get to hear this thing scream. This is why the 2-stroke Detroits are known as "Screaming Jimmys".
That video was actually quite relaxing👍 I love to just sit and observe when I'm out & about like waiting in a parking lot for a family member to go shopping. It's interesting watching the different kinds of vehicles driving by💯 Thanks!😊
I'm no truck driver but I know to spot a heavy vehicle unable to climb in a higher gear. Sure was the case with the red truck. Probably carrying cement or gravel.
@@kxnk3935 That Kenworth probably had way more HP and torque than the Chinese truck. If the Chinese adhere to the European custom, that truck produced 420HP, whereas the Kenworth probably has about 550HP. That extra 130HP also means the Kenworth has more torque. Then there's the question of what gearbox does the Chinese truck have: a 16-speed, a 12-speed, an 8-speed or maybe even just a 6-speed. Those big Kenworth's have 12-speed, 16-speed and sometimes even 18-speed gearboxes. And last but not least: how heavy was its load? Without having more data it's hard to say why that Chinese truck had so much trouble getting up that hill. It could even have been driver error, as in not selecting the proper gear at the proper time, allowing the truck to bog down.
I believe that difference would be found in the drivetrain. As the video creator was eluding to... That semi that passed the Chinese truck had an identical, if not heavier load, on a separate trailer with the weight of the truck itself added, and still r🦍ed that smaller one. 😂 Even the red cab-over similarly loaded later in the video put it to shame.
@@oxidizedolive Well there are many Chinese and Japanese trucks here in my country. I've seen the same results just like in this vid when we go on a road trip I seen a overloaded 2020 Isuzu dump truck that was struggling to climb the hill. While the chinese howo truck behind it. Who has the same load as him. Doesn't have the patience and decide to gas it as fast it could eventually overtaking the Struggling Isuzu truck. And started to horn at him by the time he got ahead by the Isuzu. LMAO i even see the driver and his 2 companions on the truck laughing at the Isuzu while they successfully descend on climbing thd steepy hill top. Dang hearing that Howo engine roaring is like music to my ears the same with that isuzu truck. We also have american semi truck and old kenworth here aswell. But you don't see them very often unelss you're in some bigger cities in the country
@@greyghost61 down here is european in st.lucia and u barely get japan and American but they. Especially macks they have all kinds if u wanna see but down here is daf life and not jusso u will be able to pass on a daf. We cut and stick iveco rear ends or peterbuilt all kinds to our dafs and the factory dumps are just as insane and most dafs down here push 510 hp or 530 I would love to see some Americans follow them up a hill. American definitely has to question but u can never climb faster than a European
@@GD-et3dh I disagree with you bro, right here in my country, we have the three major continent truck from European to American to the Chinese and European never beat American truck uphill here in my country even with heavier load with the American truck, those European will still be struggling to behind them but can't said much on Chinese because we bought them brand new unlike thier European and american counterpart
Chinese trucks have small engine but equipped with very low speed ratio of transmission. Here in the Philippines those Chinese trucks can easily climb really steep uphill.
I'll take a single bunk 9670 IHC 200" wb with a 525 N14 Cummins full Jakes 18 speed manual trans 4:44 double locking rears on 44,000 lb Hendrickson walking beam with 11r22.5 tires. With 6 spoke Dayton rims on the drives and a 2 line 50 gal.tank and headache rack hydraulic PTO With a 45 ft trailer I'm 60 ft long.
Depending on the class of the vehicle that's the power to weight ratio . If both on paper are equal or near to equal you can well compare between them or else not .
Yo!! It's crazy how they be passing even with oncoming traffic. Lol! That black Freightliner or was it a Lonestar truck lost his momentum coming up the hill because of his fancy shifting😂
Technically its the same in most Asian countries too especially South and South East India and also many regions in Africa to have crazy driving. But there are usually speed limits for every vehicle
Awwww.. C'mon now, you could have offered to push that Chinese truck... It certainly needed it.! 😂 😂 😂 Stay safe out there mate & best wishes from Scotland 🏴 🙏 ❤️
First we only see one Chinese truck and so many American trucks. Two we don't know the load each was carrying hence I don't think it's fair to say which is better
Maybe this is just to Shame Chinese trucks but from what I've seen in Africa, they are game changing and reliable. American trucks just break down before they could even start a race
Balancing act between Time, fuel, and possible return loads. Chineese truck body was too big for it. I wonder how it would have handled comming down the other side with the load lol.
Shacman's are okay..they have american engines European styled cabs so they are basically like any European truck. Blessings.. I love how you know your truck though..nice videos.
Put a Filipino behind the wheel and that baby will fly up the hills. Howo and Shacman trucks are very used here and they can do alot with a good driver. Very tough too, put them through insane challenges and the thing will keep on driving forward.
Chinese truck cant be compared to trailer tracker head however either red truck driver change gear to high which give truck problems to climb however he did climb at slower speed up hill big up to all jamaican trucks drivers they go beyond and above to get job done whether it in a yaad ya or abroad. Thank to you for blessings to them letting people all over the world appreciate them..one love ppl
It's not what truck you drive. It's knowing what the truck can do and how to do it. The Tons are not the same. Team SHACMAN. CHINESE AND RUSSIAN TRUCKS got the energy
A four axle straight dump truck can be heavier than a 5 axle tractor trailer no matter the make or model for starters. Another is the gear ratio and torque rating. Third is the grade of the hill to climb and last is the driver. I've never driven a Chinese class 8 vehicle yet I doubt very seriously that nothing beats American trucks when it comes to power and torque. Back in the eighties I got to drive R model macks with a five speedd maxidyne and didn't drop a gear on some pulls and also have driven Detroit Diesel 6V-71's & 8V-71's and you could mention hill and I'm dropping and splitting gears. Then I've had a Catapillar 3406 B twin turbo that pulled hills in the western U.S. like a "Raped Ape looking for revenge. Catapillar is out of the truck diesel business but by far my favorite motor, but mechanical not electronic version.
No non modified US truck can compete with a stock Volvo fh 16 with I-shift+crawler gear, especially in raw pulling power, that shit has been used as a flex by Volvo when they pulled 750 tons
In Africa like Tanzania,American trucks fail to climb steep hills only Chinese trucks manage and there the problem is not the Chinese truck it's the driver he failed to do a proper down shift
Depends on the load
The 1 truck could be carrying foam mattress and the other carry cement
Imagine having the towing capacity of a train....Which is the oldest successful Hybrid electric drivetrain in the world..... And being able to recoup 30% of the energy you spent going up the hill, coming down the other side. If the truck carrying the foam was the same, and the one pulling concrete were an EV? The EV would not even slow down...... Trucking companies will gladly give up 5000 lbs hauling capacity a trip to give it the range they need if its going to cost them 60% less in fuel and maintenance. Hell There are trailer manufacturers who are already prototyping EV drivetrains ON the trailers. You can fit 10kw of solar on a 53' dry goods unit. It operates by a strain gauge on the ball of the trailer, the more the truck pulls, the more it contributes. when the truck slows it goes into regeneration and slows as well.
@@davefroman4700 and then use tidal wave energy technology on the shock absorbers and suspension. each time the shocks move up and down during vehicle operation, electricity is generated to provide continuous battery charging. For regions with no developed charging network, turn the trucks into series hybrids(all hail the diesel-electric loco)...remove the gearboxes and propellor shaft. fit a suitably sized alternator on the engine(make it a Genset). then on the differential fit a motor of appropriate power. now cable the Genset to the motor and there we go!...add in a supercapacitor(its lighter and charges and discharges faster than a lithium batt) to recover power during slow down which can be redeployed automatically once a certain SOC in the supercapacitor is attained.
@@davefroman4700 I wouldn't call a locomotive a hybrid. It's more of a diesel with an electric drivetrain. The regeneration is just a braking system. It is not stored and the diesel has to be running to have any kws.
However, I do agree. Trucks should have gone to the same form of power delivery long ago.
what idiot would drive a cement truck up that incline - stop defending the commies
1 ton of foam mattress and 1 ton of cement weigh the same....just wanted to point it out. Normally in trucking biz the trucks are loaded upto the weight capacity, hence bear this in mind as well....
I am enjoying the Jamaican commentary and trucks blowing the horn for you, not enjoying the suicidal overtaking, the drivers are looking like they enjoy the job
I was like Sheesh! I know I'm not tripping all that just to pass 1 car/truck. On top of looks to seem they we're going pretty fast too. 😳🙏💯
A week later that Chinese truck is still trying to climb that hill !!!
😀😀
You forgot to add-Legend has it:)
It's the Long March but with the truck this time
😂❤
I think this shacman driver too much bad for hill up im truck driver from mongolia 430hp engine is isnt bad my think....
Nothing sounds like an old 2-stroke Detroit Diesel.
Got a friend of mine who has a 75 Peterbilt 359 Long Nose with the 13.9L V12 (12V71). It has 2 turbos, and with ONLY 14 psi boost total, it pushes 930 HP @ 2700 rpm and 2440 lb. ft of torque @ 1600 rpm, not to mention a 3000 rpm redline.
look up "12V71 Bus" by Bus Grease Monkey. It's a 2:50 ish clip....and you get to hear this thing scream. This is why the 2-stroke Detroits are known as "Screaming Jimmys".
they can get away with marine cams there. God bless em!
Peterbilt one a th best truck
I thought the Chinese truck was stopped on the side of the road.
Yes it was
It had sure.!
That's what I thought too😄
😂😂😂😂
sort of had to in order to get to a lower gear, no way it could climb a hill like that at a high gear
I like American truck am from England and drive trucks for a living I just love trucks
Scania Like A Monster Engine
Depends not only on the load but also the approach of the driver
I was just thinking the same thing
Both of those trucks were hauling dirt. You buy cheap Chinese and you will get garbage. Buy American and it will have quality.
That video was actually quite relaxing👍 I love to just sit and observe when I'm out & about like waiting in a parking lot for a family member to go shopping. It's interesting watching the different kinds of vehicles driving by💯
Thanks!😊
Watched Chinese build a highway which passes near where I live. Seen hundreds of those trucks, never seen any with a problem going uphill.
You get what you pay for? Maintenance, parts & repairs? Thank you! Trucks rule.
Classic freight liner white one a 60 series Detroit. Real hawt tool 🔥 🔥🔥
Ohh
mi d ah wonder innuh
how U won no dis?
@@dodge33445 his a trucker maybe
Really enjoyable to watch!!! Bigup all truckers doing dem ting .
Did he just say MAN those are some of the best dam made trucks I've ever seen oh WOW !!! 😅
long hood 18 spd vs cab-over automatic...
yes definitely same engine.
we've got a prodigy in our midst fellas!
I'm no truck driver but I know to spot a heavy vehicle unable to climb in a higher gear. Sure was the case with the red truck. Probably carrying cement or gravel.
Tires looked pretty squatted I think it was definately not light load
The kenworth that passed it looked to be carrying the same type of load . It looked like dirt honestly
@@kxnk3935 That Kenworth probably had way more HP and torque than the Chinese truck. If the Chinese adhere to the European custom, that truck produced 420HP, whereas the Kenworth probably has about 550HP. That extra 130HP also means the Kenworth has more torque.
Then there's the question of what gearbox does the Chinese truck have: a 16-speed, a 12-speed, an 8-speed or maybe even just a 6-speed. Those big Kenworth's have 12-speed, 16-speed and sometimes even 18-speed gearboxes.
And last but not least: how heavy was its load?
Without having more data it's hard to say why that Chinese truck had so much trouble getting up that hill. It could even have been driver error, as in not selecting the proper gear at the proper time, allowing the truck to bog down.
There's a difference between a trailer truck towing a huge trailer dump and a dump truck itself hauling a very huge load
I believe that difference would be found in the drivetrain. As the video creator was eluding to... That semi that passed the Chinese truck had an identical, if not heavier load, on a separate trailer with the weight of the truck itself added, and still r🦍ed that smaller one. 😂 Even the red cab-over similarly loaded later in the video put it to shame.
@@oxidizedolive Well there are many Chinese and Japanese trucks here in my country. I've seen the same results just like in this vid when we go on a road trip I seen a overloaded 2020 Isuzu dump truck that was struggling to climb the hill. While the chinese howo truck behind it. Who has the same load as him. Doesn't have the patience and decide to gas it as fast it could eventually overtaking the Struggling Isuzu truck. And started to horn at him by the time he got ahead by the Isuzu. LMAO i even see the driver and his 2 companions on the truck laughing at the Isuzu while they successfully descend on climbing thd steepy hill top. Dang hearing that Howo engine roaring is like music to my ears the same with that isuzu truck. We also have american semi truck and old kenworth here aswell. But you don't see them very often unelss you're in some bigger cities in the country
@@greyghost61 down here is european in st.lucia and u barely get japan and American but they. Especially macks they have all kinds if u wanna see but down here is daf life and not jusso u will be able to pass on a daf. We cut and stick iveco rear ends or peterbuilt all kinds to our dafs and the factory dumps are just as insane and most dafs down here push 510 hp or 530 I would love to see some Americans follow them up a hill. American definitely has to question but u can never climb faster than a European
Same so, to pull is different than to carry.
@@GD-et3dh I disagree with you bro, right here in my country, we have the three major continent truck from European to American to the Chinese and European never beat American truck uphill here in my country even with heavier load with the American truck, those European will still be struggling to behind them but can't said much on Chinese because we bought them brand new unlike thier European and american counterpart
Love the way the trees shake after the truck passes...👍👌
Chinese trucks have small engine but equipped with very low speed ratio of transmission. Here in the Philippines those Chinese trucks can easily climb really steep uphill.
True, because of that the American truck/tractor tend to have high rate of drive line failure over hill with heavy load.
I'll take a single bunk 9670 IHC 200" wb with a 525 N14 Cummins full Jakes 18 speed manual trans 4:44 double locking rears on 44,000 lb Hendrickson walking beam with 11r22.5 tires. With 6 spoke Dayton rims on the drives and a 2 line 50 gal.tank and headache rack hydraulic PTO With a 45 ft trailer I'm 60 ft long.
Toyota made a camper called the "Dolphin" and it was powered by a 22r (4cyl) motor. The secret is the tranny...
susuki ang truck sa pinas
it's not the truck .... just the incompetent driver...
To how the t800 fast it a gear down up hill 😂😂
?
It was empty
Bad so
Why are they driving right hand drive trucks on the left side of the road?
Depending on the class of the vehicle that's the power to weight ratio . If both on paper are equal or near to equal you can well compare between them or else not .
You alone in the comments have a bit of Rationale
Depends on the load, the driver and cost pf the truck. (high cost may due to a bigger engine or having a turbo.)
Great filming and the sound is epic 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🎥👍
Yo!!
It's crazy how they be passing even with oncoming traffic.
Lol! That black Freightliner or was it a Lonestar truck lost his momentum coming up the hill because of his fancy shifting😂
Its like.. the real life TruckersMP Calais Duisburg road lol
Absolutely crazy driving. Accident rates must be very high. Are there no speed limits? Especially for trucks.
Technically its the same in most Asian countries too especially South and South East India and also many regions in Africa to have crazy driving. But there are usually speed limits for every vehicle
That's what we do as Americans make excellent trucks.You can never have enough power and torque in any vehicle in America
Looks like the ones carrying the most dangerous cargo are the ones going the fastest, both uphill and downhill!
I like mostly wen they lift one side on the front
Awwww.. C'mon now, you could have offered to push that Chinese truck... It certainly needed it.! 😂 😂 😂
Stay safe out there mate & best wishes from Scotland 🏴 🙏 ❤️
Where is this hill it appears to coming from Williams field then going up Winston Jones hill
First we only see one Chinese truck and so many American trucks. Two we don't know the load each was carrying hence I don't think it's fair to say which is better
Maybe this is just to Shame Chinese trucks but from what I've seen in Africa, they are game changing and reliable. American trucks just break down before they could even start a race
The lonestar nuh good a pull like a shacman
American trucks da best steel ever
Awesome video boss, upload more video especially sugar cane
He's got overtaking Twice..😮💨
Hey what abt the engine capacity between the trucks ha?
Da T800 deh a real machine a road enuh... nuh play wid it
Balancing act between Time, fuel, and possible return loads. Chineese truck body was too big for it. I wonder how it would have handled comming down the other side with the load lol.
Auman ETX 290 hp 6x4 can carry 55 tonnes limestone from quarry to cement plant in my workplace,this gross weight is 74 tonnes
Now I see where many of the old American cab-over-engine trucks went? They went to Jamacia.
Shhhhhh. Dont let em come take them from us😂😂😂
Shacman's are okay..they have american engines European styled cabs so they are basically like any European truck. Blessings.. I love how you know your truck though..nice videos.
Its a MAN, but with a bad engine. Chinese copycat.
@@Fetguf these are much cheaper
@@RohanSanjith of cause they are.."so they are basically like any European truck" somehow I doubt that very much, being a chinese knock-off
@@Fetguf 420 HORSE POWER what can you do inJamaica??? just going downhill orempty uphill:::
woowww,,,,,, 🇺🇸Americans truck sounds like fighter plane
Excellent video, that’s a great spot for truck watching
American all the way
American trucks 🚚 all the way KENWORTH. PETERBILT...MACK..INTERNATIONAL..and WESTERN STAR.
What about Freightliner 🤷♂️
🔥🔥🔥yep u got it right day,machine dem out and bad no rasss,love the vibes iya💯🙏🙏🖤🇯🇲👍🏽...
One pulls and one carries unnu muss young to trucking a say the smaller displacement Shacman get violated.
Bro you can't compare American with chinese...In every field America is on top...
In most but not every
American trucks all the way
Great content me general love to watch you videos them
Satrak is basically a MAN without environmental crap.
They do quite well, actually.
T800 a move grimmy😈🥴🔥🔥
Which gear dem use to crawl up a steep hill with a heavy truck load ?
It depends on the truck
(Transmission or Engine)
Oh
Shacman have on bout 55ton.
Put a Filipino behind the wheel and that baby will fly up the hills. Howo and Shacman trucks are very used here and they can do alot with a good driver.
Very tough too, put them through insane challenges and the thing will keep on driving forward.
I never heard of Philipino truck brand why don't you Philipinos make a truck
thats a x3000 8x8 schacman truck with a 420 hp AMERICAN cummins 11 liter
Cummins ISM
YES MCKEDO JAMES TRUCKING
the amount of internationals abroad in jamaica makes me want to shed a tear, in the USA/Canada they're considered the poormans car
momentum is key gentleman
Suh N14 an cat an Detroit 60 series nuh run again?
😂😂
4:57 blue wid e bad detroit
If they were in a Tesla, they'd already be home by now.🤣
Look like the shacman miss is gear
Respect due to the videoman that put these things together 100% respect,I am a great fans of the American trucks over the Chinese trucks
🙏🏽
Why do they drive on the left side of the road and the truck are also left hand drive?
Chinese truck cant be compared to trailer tracker head however either red truck driver change gear to high which give truck problems to climb however he did climb at slower speed up hill big up to all jamaican trucks drivers they go beyond and above to get job done whether it in a yaad ya or abroad. Thank to you for blessings to them letting people all over the world appreciate them..one love ppl
Def heavy load....84000 highest gross years ago...danger will Robinson...where what u delivering...
It's not what truck you drive. It's knowing what the truck can do and how to do it. The Tons are not the same. Team SHACMAN. CHINESE AND RUSSIAN TRUCKS got the energy
Question what is the white solid line in the middle of the road for??
Solid white line is there so no overtaking or passing should happen
Its there to divided the sides of the road
In jm our roads are smaller than avrage and so your....
To sniff
To show that the road goes along this line. Where to drive on it is up to the drivers to decide.
The first blue truck that’s Delroy from westmoreland
USA truck is the best
Cool interesting trucking video.
ACTIVE 🔥🔥🔥
Up Bro 💯
Overloaded with a small engine and driver was trying to climb in high gear
No the truck is just rubbish
Cab over still a gwaan good
Wish you could compare them at the diesel pump.... different story!
These American trucks especially international are very powerful.
3:41. That used to be a Paddock Transport heavy haul truck from Hamilton Canada.
I didn't notice that one. 13:20 was Bruce R Smith outta Simcoe
Very powerful
American truck all the way American truck go over hill fast them moving like a snale
A four axle straight dump truck can be heavier than a 5 axle tractor trailer no matter the make or model for starters. Another is the gear ratio and torque rating. Third is the grade of the hill to climb and last is the driver. I've never driven a Chinese class 8 vehicle yet I doubt very seriously that nothing beats American trucks when it comes to power and torque. Back in the eighties I got to drive R model macks with a five speedd maxidyne and didn't drop a gear on some pulls and also have driven Detroit Diesel 6V-71's & 8V-71's and you could mention hill and I'm dropping and splitting gears. Then I've had a Catapillar 3406 B twin turbo that pulled hills in the western U.S. like a "Raped Ape looking for revenge. Catapillar is out of the truck diesel business but by far my favorite motor, but mechanical not electronic version.
Lots of European Trucks have far higher Power and Torque than the US Class 8 due to the higher weight limits they operate at.
No non modified US truck can compete with a stock Volvo fh 16 with I-shift+crawler gear, especially in raw pulling power, that shit has been used as a flex by Volvo when they pulled 750 tons
Yah man want the update with the isx in a the pro star the max force never good
The Chinese truck only had 430 hp , how many do you think on the American trucks?? Unmantched comparable.
Probably 600-700 and double the torque
Is it the same cc and horse power??
You have to get on a scale to tell, load side and weight is two different things
Were is di frieghtliner classic wit Detroit 60 Series
American Truck 💯
American Muscle CANNOT DIE
The blue kenworth is a t600
The schckman is slow!
I still love Chinese truck cause of overloading
I will post some of the uk trucks on my channel let y’all see is this Jamaica 🇯🇲
In Africa like Tanzania,American trucks fail to climb steep hills only Chinese trucks manage and there the problem is not the Chinese truck it's the driver he failed to do a proper down shift
Kwa mlima mchina kahema...lakini kazi anaijua...
Here they are comparing 400hp china truck with +550 HP american trucks
40yr old Detroit engine with a good driver will out perform a Chinese 1yr old truck anyday with the same load.
Wacha bana...😆😆😆
Yes but its two stroke engine hence high fuel consumption.
The cars and trucks overtake on solid lines🧐🙄😔🤐
American truck for life
They forgot to send the extra china men to push when encountering any slight incline 😁😆😅😂🤣
Tools dem out dere🔥🔥🔥
The fast truck ripping down the road has EXPLOSIVE written on it. Maybe that one shouldn't be going so fast.
😂
he trying to park and go home!
That international 9900i deah tear ova the hill mi prefer the international 9900i