Yes but only once on the interior of a van build. One of Jared Tocci's tours was on a guy who is a engineer. He used 8020 for his sliding couch bed, his battery box ect ect. It wasn't a finished build though. He did show off the crazy rigidity and strength of the 8020 though. I'm going to use 8020 in my build after seeing your video. For a novice like me I feel 8020 will be so much easier to build with. It really is like legos. I'm going to do a slide out shower pan and 8020 will make this idea easy to implement. With wood it would be much more challenging and not strong enough to support my weight. Thanks for sharing.
Used it for a super solid and light cot as a learning experience. Definitely want to use it in a van some day, due to the reasons you mentioned plus its suitability for harsher conditions.
I'm planning to use cheap 2020, 2040, and 4080 that's used for 3D printer and CNC mill for my future van build -- or try to source used scaffolding extrusions. Cheap hardware can also be purchased from two BIG China sites.
I propose an alternative. Instead of using the 8020, I just use regular alum L-bracket, square tubes, then assemble them using rivets or self tapping screws.. Once the structure is completed, I will use low temperature solder to solder all the joints together. It will be much cheaper and lighter. I have done this on my trailer solar roof frame. Plenty strong.
Great choice for 30 series. I see people building using series 15 which is aprox , 40mm and it is way too heavy and expensive. in my opining series 10 is strong enough but but I like better look series 30. Aluminum is 3x times stronger then wood. What part are you planning to use series 40 ? I am designing my built using series 30 and some places series 10 . I did not find anything that I would need series 40 I use 8020 at work occasionally and I already built CNC 4x8' using 8020 The only thing for series 30, there is less fasteners and matching bolts(after market) to 30 profile is more difficult and may need machining/grinding
Juts found your channel. I build skoolies and frame with 3/4 plywood. Seeing this new 80/20 framing thing in the overland van world. Really considering attempting it in my next bus. Looks rad! Doing research and loving the info friend. Thank You!
Hi Scott. Thanks for putting this together--it gets me excited to try using 8020 on a current project. I saw you mentioned you would share the cost difference in a future video. Would you also mind sharing the time difference framing with wood vs. 8020 and maybe ease of use? Looking forward to seeing more details in future edits. Thanks again!
I don't understand why people put up complete walls and floors in their van first and then put in cabinets. That is adding a huge amount of weight that nobody sees. 8020 is definitely the way to go. Another advantage to 8020 is that it doesn't absorb water and won't rot. Make sure your 8020 is grounded to the chassis of the van though.
Great video, thanks. Nice system. I would like to see a follow up video six months/year from now to see how well those fittings used to hold it all together held up. Do you have to go back and tighten the fasteners from all the flexing.
I totally agree with you with all those 80/20 qualities! Juste a little comment: you can build baltic birch cabinets without back nor bottom, only narrow strips for wall and floor screwing, I know I did it for my travel trailer build project.
I was first introduced to aluminum extrusion from a company called Open Builds which makes CNC kits. I totally agree with all the points mentioned for van building. I'm in Alaska, so my situation is even more unique. I wish people would stop calling aluminum Extrusion 80/20 though. 80/20 is a brand name just as Formica is a brand name for plastic laminate. Personally, I hate the company 80/20 as they will not ship to Alaska except for UPS ground. A bag of 50 corners would probably cost $50 by UPS ground to my location. It's totally insane. I get all my aluminum Extrusion from Amazon, as they ship for free. The disadvantage is I cannot get smooth-sided or architectural extrusions, so If I want a finished face I have to face it myself with wood or something decorative. Anyway point is there are many companies that sell aluminum extrusion, and I'm sure they would appreciate the business over 80/20. I like the 10 series and find it plenty strong.
Hi Scott. Great video, thank you! Question. I saw that you sometimes drill a hole in the 8020 and bolt through it directly into the rivnut. Can you share what sized hole / bolt you used for you 30mm and 40mm profile? Thanks!
I agree that 80/20 is stronger etc but I think the video would be alot better if you actually unpacked and/or understood the plywood method better. I have built several with ply and I hang from the cabinets every time to test the hold and I weigh 180. I wish you had talked about pocket holes too as that is the joinery 90% of people use. Overall like the video, esp the quality etc.
Looks awesome but I suspect 80/20 is very expensive. I can make cabinets out of 1/4” plywood and epoxy that would be way lighter than 80/20 and I can hang off of them too.
Hey Scott hoping you would have shown how the system works more. A little confused how the pieces interlock are you limited to end to face joins or can edge to edge or end to end joints be achieved?
Great topic for a video, thanks! I know that Sara and Alex use steel stud construction in a lot of their van conversions. I was wondering where you thought the use of steel channel construction beams falls when compared to the 8020 or stick construction? Thanks!
Hi Scott, it’s been a minute, I was wondering how your build was coming. It looks like great progress is being made. I see more and more TH-cam builders using 8020 so despite the cost increase, it seems to be the preferred method to use. I loved your last van and can’t wait to see this one complete. I’m sure though no one is more anxious than you. 🚐🛠❤️
haha yeah! Ive got a bunch of videos coming out...keeping up with the build and videos is tough but Im doing my best. Yes the 8020 so far has been great to work with.
Hi Scott, Just found your channel and I love it! thanks for all the info. I started considering using 8020 for the back of my offroad vehicle. I was wondering, what are you using for drawer slides? is it a regular drawer slider bolted to the profile? or is it something from the 8020 catalog? (sliders\casters etc.)
Awesome information my next build might have to try that. Is there a big cost difference? I’m sure it’s more expensive but with using less overall it still sounds like it has great benefits.
I’m renovating my Rv and need to make my kitchen cabinets next. I want to use 8020 for all the reasons you mentioned… I’m just a bit anxious as I’m doing all of it with zero experience!
I'll be looking to build early next year, and I'm leaning more towards the 80/20 aluminium as I'm a complete novice and I certainly like the strength and flexibility features. Found your channel - am new sub here. Thanks for sharing. Gonna binge on some of your vid's now... lol
At 2:44 I see a door hinge that looks like a DGN soft close hinge. Am I correct? and do you like them? I only discovered these the other day, and have a perfect use for a couple of them in my travel trailer when I modify the top of a storage locker behind a dinette. Thanks for your comments.
Great video Scott! My wife and I are also using extruded aluminum for our build and loving the strength, versatility, and durability. I am curious what hinges you've decided to go with for your galley and upper cabinets? Also, did you counterbore the anchor holes yourself or order them that way? Thanks for any tips you have and for the awesome videos!
Hey! Ill make a video on my upper cabinet hinges... or send me an email you can find my email on IG or IG message me and I milled out the boles myself using a drill press.
I work with 8020 for industrial applications all the time with work and this is a great video that explains exactly my logic behind doing a build with 8020. Plus, you know what they say, rely on your strengths. Well I can design my entire build in CAD with 8020 before ever spending a cent, and I know nothing of carpentry. What's interesting is we are building a bus, and I've not seen anyone use 8020 in ANY bus builds. I didn't know it was so popular in van builds until searching "8020 interior", which surprised me that it hasn't been embraced in the skoolie community yet.
Im using the 30 and 40 series Metric so thats 30mm and 40mm... I think that corresponds to 15 and 20 but Im not sure. The 10 I think is tought to work with the fasteners from what Ive heard.
In this video the metal is screwed in to the chassis. What about thermal bridging? Isn’t the outside cold transferred directly to the inside, creating condensation? Thanks.
you said in the title 'wood VS 8020' on your video, where is the actual wood cabinet shown in your video to test-prove your claim? therefore video content is not true comparison.
Hello there. Thanx @ info. What is the seemingly integrated metal lining on the uppersides. Looks like a hookup-system for cabinetry, but I am not sure. Greetings.
I like your video , It's very clever and I do buy your arguments on weight, durability, flexibility and cost in the grand total of the avantages. For me it's a eye opener. It can be use for other project as well.
Love the videos. I’m doing a full 8020 construction on my sprinter. Currently have my roof rack, bed, benches, and water galley complete. It’s really easy to work with. Loving your build!
8020 and some imagination....no limits, people are beginning also to design very smart movable parts for vans with i. A question, that cabinet you are hanging the frame is what size? I am thinking of making a movable shelving system for my vinyl collection, using 8020, there are parts for linear movement, not sure if they will take the weight, not the frame that I know it will, the bearings, and different moveable parts they have for 8020
Hello Scott, This was a great presentation, very easy to follow and understand. Do you did this only for yourself as DIY or would you consider helping others with this aspect as well? I would be interested if you could build something somewhat similar in my Sprinter. Thanks and look forward to your reply !
@@scottadamson6116 it's fine that you're doing it for fan, but you did a damn good job never the less. I would like to ask you few things about this way of building in PM if I may please give me a way of contact 👍
@@scottadamson6116 Thanks Scott. I would think that what you save in all the additional plywood for full wood construction would offset the cost of the extrusion.
I did my whole build in 80/20. Finished it 3 years ago. Absolutely zero regrets. The stuff is bomb proof. It’s got a steep learning curve and it costs more... but what you get is worth it many times over.
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Have you used 8020 before? What do you think? Wood or 8020 cabinets for van conversions??
Yes but only once on the interior of a van build. One of Jared Tocci's tours was on a guy who is a engineer. He used 8020 for his sliding couch bed, his battery box ect ect. It wasn't a finished build though. He did show off the crazy rigidity and strength of the 8020 though. I'm going to use 8020 in my build after seeing your video. For a novice like me I feel 8020 will be so much easier to build with. It really is like legos. I'm going to do a slide out shower pan and 8020 will make this idea easy to implement. With wood it would be much more challenging and not strong enough to support my weight. Thanks for sharing.
Used it for a super solid and light cot as a learning experience. Definitely want to use it in a van some day, due to the reasons you mentioned plus its suitability for harsher conditions.
I'm planning to use cheap 2020, 2040, and 4080 that's used for 3D printer and CNC mill for my future van build -- or try to source used scaffolding extrusions. Cheap hardware can also be purchased from two BIG China sites.
I propose an alternative. Instead of using the 8020, I just use regular alum L-bracket, square tubes, then assemble them using rivets or self tapping screws.. Once the structure is completed, I will use low temperature solder to solder all the joints together. It will be much cheaper and lighter. I have done this on my trailer solar roof frame. Plenty strong.
What is your favorite place to buy 80/20 materials? Thanks!
Great choice for 30 series. I see people building using series 15 which is aprox , 40mm and it is way too heavy and expensive. in my opining series 10 is strong enough but but I like better look series 30. Aluminum is 3x times stronger then wood. What part are you planning to use series 40 ? I am designing my built using series 30 and some places series 10 . I did not find anything that I would need series 40
I use 8020 at work occasionally and I already built CNC 4x8' using 8020 The only thing for series 30, there is less fasteners and matching bolts(after market) to 30 profile is more difficult and may need machining/grinding
Juts found your channel. I build skoolies and frame with 3/4 plywood. Seeing this new 80/20 framing thing in the overland van world. Really considering attempting it in my next bus. Looks rad! Doing research and loving the info friend. Thank You!
Hi Scott. Thanks for putting this together--it gets me excited to try using 8020 on a current project. I saw you mentioned you would share the cost difference in a future video. Would you also mind sharing the time difference framing with wood vs. 8020 and maybe ease of use? Looking forward to seeing more details in future edits. Thanks again!
I don't understand why people put up complete walls and floors in their van first and then put in cabinets. That is adding a huge amount of weight that nobody sees. 8020 is definitely the way to go. Another advantage to 8020 is that it doesn't absorb water and won't rot. Make sure your 8020 is grounded to the chassis of the van though.
So to use 8020, the frame should be anchored directly to the van for security?
Great video, thanks. Nice system. I would like to see a follow up video six months/year from now to see how well those fittings used to hold it all together held up. Do you have to go back and tighten the fasteners from all the flexing.
I totally agree with you with all those 80/20 qualities! Juste a little comment: you can build baltic birch cabinets without back nor bottom, only narrow strips for wall and floor screwing, I know I did it for my travel trailer build project.
Hey! Yeah you are totally right but thats just not how most people think to build the cabinets.
Thank you for your knowledge greatly appreciate it 💯
I was first introduced to aluminum extrusion from a company called Open Builds which makes CNC kits. I totally agree with all the points mentioned for van building. I'm in Alaska, so my situation is even more unique. I wish people would stop calling aluminum Extrusion 80/20 though. 80/20 is a brand name just as Formica is a brand name for plastic laminate. Personally, I hate the company 80/20 as they will not ship to Alaska except for UPS ground. A bag of 50 corners would probably cost $50 by UPS ground to my location. It's totally insane. I get all my aluminum Extrusion from Amazon, as they ship for free. The disadvantage is I cannot get smooth-sided or architectural extrusions, so If I want a finished face I have to face it myself with wood or something decorative. Anyway point is there are many companies that sell aluminum extrusion, and I'm sure they would appreciate the business over 80/20. I like the 10 series and find it plenty strong.
Hi Scott. Great video, thank you! Question. I saw that you sometimes drill a hole in the 8020 and bolt through it directly into the rivnut. Can you share what sized hole / bolt you used for you 30mm and 40mm profile? Thanks!
Just discovered this stuff recently. These are definitely compelling reasons you've shared here.
I agree that 80/20 is stronger etc but I think the video would be alot better if you actually unpacked and/or understood the plywood method better. I have built several with ply and I hang from the cabinets every time to test the hold and I weigh 180. I wish you had talked about pocket holes too as that is the joinery 90% of people use. Overall like the video, esp the quality etc.
Looks awesome but I suspect 80/20 is very expensive. I can make cabinets out of 1/4” plywood and epoxy that would be way lighter than 80/20 and I can hang off of them too.
Hey Scott hoping you would have shown how the system works more. A little confused how the pieces interlock are you limited to end to face joins or can edge to edge or end to end joints be achieved?
Hey Kyle,
Yeah Ill be putting a bunch more videos our on the stuff as I get farther along in the build.
The biggest difference is the price, 8020 alumminum is pricey$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yeah for me its worth it.
what's the difference between 8020 extruded aluminium Vs just normal square aluminium tubes, meaning can you use normal aluminium tubes?
Great topic for a video, thanks! I know that Sara and Alex use steel stud construction in a lot of their van conversions. I was wondering where you thought the use of steel channel construction beams falls when compared to the 8020 or stick construction? Thanks!
Hi Scott, it’s been a minute, I was wondering how your build was coming. It looks like great progress is being made. I see more and more TH-cam builders using 8020 so despite the cost increase, it seems to be the preferred method to use. I loved your last van and can’t wait to see this one complete. I’m sure though no one is more anxious than you. 🚐🛠❤️
haha yeah! Ive got a bunch of videos coming out...keeping up with the build and videos is tough but Im doing my best. Yes the 8020 so far has been great to work with.
short and sweet, and showing what you were explaining in the van was helpful to me as a visual learner
Thanks!
Cost comparison?
Y U NO TALK about MULTIPLE $3-4-5 connectors?
Hi Scott,
Just found your channel and I love it! thanks for all the info.
I started considering using 8020 for the back of my offroad vehicle. I was wondering, what are you using for drawer slides? is it a regular drawer slider bolted to the profile? or is it something from the 8020 catalog? (sliders\casters etc.)
Awesome information my next build might have to try that. Is there a big cost difference? I’m sure it’s more expensive but with using less overall it still sounds like it has great benefits.
It is a bit more money but Im really not using all that much...once Im done the build Ill have a full cost breakdown.
Great video, I’m planning on using 80/20 in my van build. What did you use for your walls and ceiling? Did you fabricate it yourself?
Yes I did its luan plywood covered with marine vinyl for the most part.
I’m renovating my Rv and need to make my kitchen cabinets next. I want to use 8020 for all the reasons you mentioned… I’m just a bit anxious as I’m doing all of it with zero experience!
I'll be looking to build early next year, and I'm leaning more towards the 80/20 aluminium as I'm a complete novice and I certainly like the strength and flexibility features. Found your channel - am new sub here. Thanks for sharing.
Gonna binge on some of your vid's now... lol
How did it go for you? Asking because I'm in planning phase
What type of hinges did you use on that base that allows the cabinet door to close flat against the 8020 and mounts direct to the 8020? Thanks
At 2:44 I see a door hinge that looks like a DGN soft close hinge. Am I correct? and do you like them? I only discovered these the other day, and have a perfect use for a couple of them in my travel trailer when I modify the top of a storage locker behind a dinette. Thanks for your comments.
Great video Scott! My wife and I are also using extruded aluminum for our build and loving the strength, versatility, and durability. I am curious what hinges you've decided to go with for your galley and upper cabinets? Also, did you counterbore the anchor holes yourself or order them that way? Thanks for any tips you have and for the awesome videos!
Hey! Ill make a video on my upper cabinet hinges... or send me an email you can find my email on IG or IG message me and I milled out the boles myself using a drill press.
Where did you purchase all the material
Nice editing, dude. Very informative and helpful information as well.
Much appreciated!
Wonder if the lumber vs 80/20 prices are close - Grainger's 6' piece is $28.34, that's about 3 #2 1" x 4"s & fitting ain't cheap !!!
I work with 8020 for industrial applications all the time with work and this is a great video that explains exactly my logic behind doing a build with 8020. Plus, you know what they say, rely on your strengths. Well I can design my entire build in CAD with 8020 before ever spending a cent, and I know nothing of carpentry.
What's interesting is we are building a bus, and I've not seen anyone use 8020 in ANY bus builds. I didn't know it was so popular in van builds until searching "8020 interior", which surprised me that it hasn't been embraced in the skoolie community yet.
Which series do recommend best? 10 15 or 20.
Im using the 30 and 40 series Metric so thats 30mm and 40mm... I think that corresponds to 15 and 20 but Im not sure. The 10 I think is tought to work with the fasteners from what Ive heard.
@@scottadamson6116 thank you sir. I was thinking the same on the 10. Just to small.
In this video the metal is screwed in to the chassis. What about thermal bridging? Isn’t the outside cold transferred directly to the inside, creating condensation? Thanks.
Excellent video. Short sweet. Right on point.
Thanks so much, Doug!
you said in the title 'wood VS 8020' on your video, where is the actual wood cabinet shown in your video to test-prove your claim? therefore video content is not true comparison.
Did you actually watched the video? And comprehend what he was saying? 🤪
@@user9b2 OP title says 8020 vs wood, meaning the video supposed to prove or compare his belief that 8020 is better.
Are you concerned about thermal bridging since the 8020 seems to have a direct metal connection to the van framing?
First saw that on Adys n Eddie channel. Thought it was great. Glad you’re doing a build with this, looks great. Must be significant cost difference.
Once Im done the entire build Ill have a full cost breakdown.
Eddie only did his bed out of 8020.
Can I use a 10" miter saw to cut the 8020 aluminum to various lengths?
What would be the best saw blade to use?
Yeah it works
Are there any concerns / disadvantage regarding flexing and distortion of the van while driving?
I see you follow Ourkaravan for 80/20 build techniques
Hey Scott where are you sourcing the 80/20
I have a local supplier
I found this video super helpful. Thanks for explaining extruded aluminium to the non initiates
Is working with 8020 included in your van build guide?
Why use so thick alu if its so strong? It takes place..
The problem with 80/20 is the cost of all the materials you need,
You have convinced me with this video. Thanks.
Any guess as to the cost difference, give that the flexibility of 8020 means that I'd scrap my wood mistakes but reuse most of my 8020 ones?
Im not sure Ill have to break that all down once Im done the build.
Hello there. Thanx @ info.
What is the seemingly integrated metal lining on the uppersides. Looks like a hookup-system for cabinetry, but I am not sure. Greetings.
Yeah its called L track
I like your video , It's very clever and I do buy your arguments on weight, durability, flexibility and cost in the grand total of the avantages. For me it's a eye opener. It can be use for other project as well.
Yeah so many people use if for unique stuff....my buddy used it to build a raceing simulator in his house ha
Great to use 8020 but the cost is ridiculous you can find alternatives that can achieve many of the things you are trying to achieve with 8020
Its working great for me and welding for me would requires different insurance in my shop space and that cost is higher than using 8020
Love the videos. I’m doing a full 8020 construction on my sprinter. Currently have my roof rack, bed, benches, and water galley complete. It’s really easy to work with. Loving your build!
Thats awesome Ryan, yeah so far I am raelly digging it.
Great video! I'm curious, where do you purchase your aluminum extrusion from?
I got mine from EasCan which is a local automation Company here
Thanks decision made 🎉Great info. Im just starting having ordered wool insulation.
Awesome!
8020 and some imagination....no limits, people are beginning also to design very smart movable parts for vans with i. A question, that cabinet you are hanging the frame is what size? I am thinking of making a movable shelving system for my vinyl collection, using 8020, there are parts for linear movement, not sure if they will take the weight, not the frame that I know it will, the bearings, and different moveable parts they have for 8020
The upper cabinet dimensions is that what you are asking about?
@@scottadamson6116 Sorry my English aint the best, the ones you were hanging from
Hello Scott,
This was a great presentation, very easy to follow and understand.
Do you did this only for yourself as DIY or would you consider helping others with this aspect as well?
I would be interested if you could build something somewhat similar in my Sprinter.
Thanks and look forward to your reply !
Hey Calvin
Right now I just do it for fun and its not a business for me but if you have any quesitons dont hesitate to reach out.
@@scottadamson6116 it's fine that you're doing it for fan, but you did a damn good job never the less.
I would like to ask you few things about this way of building in PM if I may please give me a way of contact 👍
How do the costs compare? 80/20 seems really expensive.
a four feet 8020 long is 40 bucks, a 6 feet 2x4, 3 bucks :D
The one downside is the cost but for the longevity of the product and quality is worth it for me.
What about the cost Scott, do you feel it runs +/- wood construction?
Hi John, It is a bit more money but the durability I think makes it worth while. Once Im down ill have a full cost breakdown
@@scottadamson6116 Thanks Scott. I would think that what you save in all the additional plywood for full wood construction would offset the cost of the extrusion.
I did my whole build in 80/20. Finished it 3 years ago.
Absolutely zero regrets. The stuff is bomb proof.
It’s got a steep learning curve and it costs more... but what you get is worth it many times over.
Yeah thats my opinon on it I can already tell this van is built to stand the test of time.
Loving the intro! Hope you’re keeping safe 😊
Thank you, I will
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You didn't talk about the cons. I know it can't be all pros.
To me the only con is the cost.
I am too
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