John here, What a great honest review. I rode one last year at the ADV Festival and was impressed. A year later and a few bikes on I’ve come across your review which I thoroughly enjoyed and once again it has relit a candle and shone a light on a great bike irrespective of where it’s made. So much so I am currently negotiating a trade in with my local dealer. Thank you 🙏
What they should have asked the 75% is, has anyone been on a Chinese machine in the last 5 years. The the answer would probably be no.I have a 2020 Benelli trk 502x and it's been faultless. Great vlog mate keep em coming.
I have one, bouht last year.. Made already only little bit over 2000 km - I know, the price seems to be high compared to "non-chinese-brand-case" bikes, dont have any electronic extra features, besides BBox which not working 😂, there are almost any windshields, cases, bags on the market etc., BUT I love the sound, I love the style, I love the seat/body position, I like the steel frame.. Life is too short for deeper arguments. You like it - you buy it - you enjoy it!
I bought a 500 Leoncino in 2019. It was a lovely little bike with a very smooth power plant. Alas, the quality was not the best and it had replacement Speedo, brake disc and water pump. When coming to sell I found that not many dealers were interested. Had to part ex at the dealer I purchased it from. Apart from the faults I enjoyed the bike very much. Great video TBW. Thanks for the informative review.
great review! thanks. but i think 800 mm seat high for the trail version is not right!? i don't know the right high, but i think, it is a little higher ... round about 820 mm. some bike magazin wrote 850! ... i would like to know, what's the correct high, because i love this beauty ... but i'm 189cm high ... greetings from 🇩🇪
Morning Dave. This is very similar in style as the Moto Morini Seiemmezzo which I did a demo on a few months back. I admit, I was tempted with that. The components fitted were outstanding, but depreciation put me off. I think unfortunately sales will struggle until the stigma subsides. If you are the sort of person who keeps a bike for a few years, then these bikes are a fantastic proposition, but if you like to chop and change every couple of years,then you just have to accept the financial hit. Nice review.
Hi Ian yes I think you’re spot on there. The dilemma such as it is, is residuals and I’m not sure how that can be resolved any time soon. Ride safe buddy 👍🏻
Since 2005 Benelli has been a part of the Qianjiang (QJ) group, the largest capacity manufacturer of motorcycles in China. QJ produces over 1,200,000 vehicles per year at its super modern factory in Wenling, about 250 miles from Shanghai.
one hears many good things about it indeed. 90 percent of reviewers give it a good rating. I would say it is the Royal Enfield of Italian stylish bikes pricewise and performance wise. There is also a 250 cc Leoncito in Thailand
I have the standard 800, build quality is superb, every bolt is great quality and all clearly chalk marked as torqued, the little details are what make it (branding on the bars, grips, fairing under the seat). Its a very substantial bike and I cant fault it. A little nicer switch gear perhaps but that's being picky!
I remember going down to the original Appleyards in the early 1970s on my Honda CD175. These are really good bikes but will probably suffer really bad depreciation. Does it have a 360-degree crank? The 500 does. It would account for its tractability. Excellent review. I have subscribed.
The same comments here where once also made about Japanese motorbikes when they first began importing into UK... But look at them now..... China will hopefully repeat this evolution from cheap bikes, built down to a cost.... Into truly desirable, efficient well built motorcycles... But alas I don't like how the Chinese workers are being exploited. I worry about Chinese politics and the future growth into a truly awesome world power... But you could use the same arguments about the UK and our development ... India also is undergoing the same journey from cheap nasty to well engineered machine... Maybe the Benelli is the bike that changes opinions... Geat review have fun....
Yes you are right there are very good products from chinese companies for the money they cost, in our Market. But if you don’t mind I still prefer to rely on our western manufacturers, even if they include lot of parts from china and labor from china in their products, I will try to keep up helping our Economy and prefer Brands Like Triumph, certain models, BMW also, certain models, Royal Enfield, certain products etc. But you’re right on the money and in general wise from a consumer point of view, you will always look for the product that satisfies your needs at the better cost 👍🏻
My other concerns would be for the price at Almost 8 grand otr there are many other big name bikes with much better quality and features it's going against, it might be a better option if it was a grand or so cheaper, but it's going head to head with much better options I'd say.
@@thebingleywheeler perhaps Wheeler, but as another person commented, there is depreciation to consider, what will it be worth in 18 months say as a PX 🤔
They are cheaper in Thailand, but they are also the same as the Harley Davidson x5090 which is now about to be released in south east Asia, using same engine and frame froom Chinese company. China used to make bad quality cheap stuff, now they make good quality cheap stuff. All Ducatis are assembled in Thailand almost, using parts from China and electronics (some) from Pakistan. Harley use China, Apple iPhones came out of China, Most major Motorcycle companies these days have their parts made in China
I learned to ride on a Benelli 350 years ago. It seems like a great bike and your review was very good 👍. The problem I have is that I do not like the Chinese government that controls every company in China. The Chinese navy is now larger than the US navy and we have paid for this military expansion with our purchases of cheap Chinese imports. Decent labour conditions and intellectual property rights are often ignored. I live a lot closer to China than you do in the UK and we do have to be conscious of the balance of power in the world, human nature being what it is. I would not buy a Chinese bike.
@@thebingleywheeler There is a difference between things we need and things we want. I think that drives a lot of those 75% negative answers. It’s one of those “Given the choice” type questions.
It's a nice looking bike at a good price and I am sure their are a mix of reasons and just like you say political and past history of bad quality with the Chinese manufacture of stuff but one whole hell of a lot of items are either made or have parts that are made in China. Looking at it what's not to like I'd have one if it wasn't a bit on the high side .😉👌👍 Like it a lot !
I wish the world would stop wondering and liking the TFT screens because the same people will be realising they were duped with the 'lcd watch' effect, as the screens start flickering and dousing out and breaking after a mere few years, and people realise that an analoge speedometer is not only the classic durable eternal solution, but that it is higher quality and longer lasting, and has a lower CARBON FOOTPRINT
I had a 752S GREAT ride. It cut out one day for no reason. A widget was fired under the seat by the dealer. No dealer wanted it for a trade. Paid 6.5K sold for 3K 6 moths later.
That's a good look at the bike. Modern style skimpy front mudguard and no rear guard will not help it stay clean . LED lights get a thumbs up as long as replacement units are available when they pack up. Nicely rideable at low speed but legs at 45 degrees? err no. try 90degrees. May give the new 800 Suzuki a run for it's money.
My concern at that price is future parts supply. Doesn't matter so much if its a Chinese 125 that'll pay for itself in 2/3 years commuting. But this is a pricy something from somewhere with "Benelli" slapped on it, so like the nearby place selling "Moto" Morini" l just wouldn't be interested, far too risky a purchase compared to a UJM.
I suppose with Chinese bikes it’s a case of catch up! Ok they are improving year by year on the Western Market but I still feel they need to earn there spurs so to speak ! Going by this bike the ‘Little Lion’ maybe it’s a turning point tho not my cup of tea I will say it certainly looks good!
Far from poor value given that aftermarket parts are an option not a requirement….there’s nothing on that bike I’d want to change myself and until the new models have been around a bit it wouldn’t be fair to pass judgement on the quality of the parts. As I said in the video that although the components look and feel decent quality to only time elapsed will tell 👍🏻
Looks nice but I wouldn’t take it off road-too heavy.I think lighter,smaller capacity bikes are the future.Nice to see all those cycle lanes that they’ve spent millions on being well used!
I think influencers are being paid to make people trend towards smaller capacity bikes to lessen carbon emissions by public usage. But destroyer shps and Nasa Rockets and tanks and planes can still keep buring away. By the way; There is also a 250 cc Leoncito in Thailand.
Excuse my limited knowledge of motorcycles, but I'd rather buy a Chinese built motorcycle (cause they have a slippery image slope to climb) over an Italian made motorcycle. Either way, I'm OK with the survey, prices will stay relatively lower on bikes like these.
Also, majority of 'European' motorcycles are built in Thailand, India or China at this point. It's weird that some brands have a much bigger image problem with it than others.
That’s a lot of HP, compared to my 2022 enfield classic 350, it’s roughly twice the engine capacity, but 4 times the engine HP. They must have it well and truly wound up.😳
@@thebingleywheeler Hard to believe it was the Italians who designed the look of the Hornet as well ......... maybe Honda employs all the designers that need a trip to the Rome branch of 'Specsavers'......
I know this is an old comment but the Enfield Classic is hardly a good comparison. Its carbureted, low compression, very low power for the size. A typical 250cc has more horsepower then that. The Benelli comes out with similar hp-cc ratio as most other common bikes, i.e 1hp per 10cc roughly
I don't think The Bingley Wheeler has had past experience of the ownership of a Chinese brand bike otherwise he would not be bemused as to why such a high percentage of folks would avoid them. I bought a brand new step through (Baotian 110cc). There were so many problems that I gave it away I was so sick of it
On the other hand lots of comments from people who have had no problems with them…..so just like any other make of bike then….good and bad experiences 👍🏻
Hi Phil it’s Otley Road High Eldwick Bingley towards Menston…50 then 60 limit….good run you’ll need to go via Guiseley on the A65 or better still over Otley Chevin 👍🏻
I think it's difficult to not buy Chinese based on politics when so many things from tv's to mobile phones to cars and motorcycles have parts made in China. I do think the quality has improved but I notice they still have short service intervals compared to Japanese manufacturers which makes me think that maybe they are not quite as good on the inside. I think Honda have just changed the game with the new Hornet at £6,999. I think the Chinese are going to have to up their game on quality if they seriously want to overcome the hurdles they face in the market. I really like the Benelli 502c it looks like a mini Ducati Diavel but it is the quality questions and short service intervals that have put me off buying one regardless of the low price.
@@thebingleywheeler You did cover it and I was only really leaving a comment to say that even though there are some Chinese bikes that I really I still cannot bring myself to put my own money up for one.
Short service interval is always good for the engine. European brands stretch them too far just like they do with cars. It's an image thing and a smart owner will always shorten the interval especially for oil changes when it's quoted as 10k miles or something unreasonable like that. Cut the interval in half and you can double the life span of the engine. Of course most buyers don't care as they only keep a bike for a short while. But maybe you want to keep one longer - or at least have the option to.
@@varmastiko2908 too far? can you prove that with facts ? I would say I can see no reason why any manufacturer would suggest a service interval that is likely to compromise reliability. It is very much in their interests not to have longer service intervals than necessary. Now I think most people, regardless of mileage intervals, will have their bike serviced annually so even if a schedule says 10,000 miles most people don't do that in a year so they are more likely to be servicing at 5 or 6 thousand once a year. Now if your filtration is good and your engine manufacturing is good and your oil is good that should never cause an issue but many of these Chinese bikes have 3 or 4,000 mile intervals which means servicing twice or 3 times a year which is way more than the Japanese or Europeans so you have to ask yourself why. Many Japanese and European bikes are around with huge mileages on them I have yet to see one of these Chinese bikes with 50 or 60,000 miles on despite their short servicing.
Just because many global companies are sourcing components from China, much like the majority of World governments are now following the Chinese political idiom doesn't make it at all right. Whilst I cannot choose where my necessities are produced or their components sourced, I most certainly can with things I choose to buy. Similarly it is not through people's choice that the governments of this and most other countries, wish to enslave their citizens in a similar manner to China. Yourself having made videos regarding nefarious new restrictions of freedom being forced upon us, might do well to discourage rather than encourage supporting the funding of it.
I agree. One school of thought here seems to be that since we are paying a lot of our hard earned money to China already, it is therefore alright to pay them even more. I think that is a flawed argument.
@ Grey Wolf….Err….then don’t buy one my friend….either way it’s not fair to associate an honest review of a bike with somehow supporting oppressive regimes. On that basis we’d never buy anything made in the UK, US, France, Germany, Italy, Austria and many other western democracies who have comprehensively “enslaved” their populations one way or another…..and what of those people who can only afford something Chinese made?
@@thebingleywheeler If 75% of the population didn't have reservations, the numbers of these bikes sold might amount to a warhead or two. However little you support a corrupt system or illegal activity doesn't detract from guilt by association. Recent events over the past couple of years in this country have remained unchallenged, if not fully supported by the majority. Therefore any suffering, harm caused or deaths as a result carry a burden of responsibility amongst all who did not voice objection. For evil to prevail all it takes is for the good to remain silent. 😢
@ Grey Wolf…Are you seriously accusing me of aiding and abetting state murder? It’s a bike review! Whether you like it or not, taking a principled stand when it comes to an easy choice like buying a motorcycle whilst continuing to own and use other Chinese made products/components on the basis of “having no choice” is hypocrisy. Or are you saying that your values are always a function of the degree of difficulty you encounter in upholding them? “That good men do nothing” cannot be selectively applied….as an axiom it is absolute and by implication any person who buys anything with any sort of Chinese provenance is someone who has played a part in supporting the oppressive state….and the same would apply to anyone who has ever put petrol in their motorcycle….oil coming as it mostly does from another oppressive regime (Saudi Arabia)….so where do we draw the line my friend eh?
Well, it's certainly a political hot potato but it is a lovely looking bike. I would just say, if you are starting out in biking or don't have much money, you don't have a lot of choice if you take out Chinese bikes. The poor old consumer gets blamed for all the ills of today when in reality, they have little choice in the face of self seeking governments and uncaring big businesses.
i wish they would just call it a 750 ;;;; the honda hornet makes over 90 bhp , weighs less , has a much bigger dealer network and is ONLY 7000 pounds ;; BUT BUT , SOME HONDAS ARE NOW COMING OUT POORLY FINISHED , corroding badly and the company does not want to know ;;;; the hornet 750 is just a pointy insect fronted plastic mess to look at , but underneath it seems good, ,...... this 'little lion' looks far more the part , i like a proper round headlamp and the benelli comes close , this would be my choice for a bike this style , as for the chinese thingy ;; i don.t like china's human rights attitude either , but nearly all bikes are using parts or full builds from there ...
No thanks, just another bike relying on a high end name for sales, with little or no genetic integrity, like the new Goldy. This will be reflected in second hand values, and getting it serviced/ parts in a few short years. Sorry to be a little negative, but give me a brand with some real heritage and bloodline.
John here, What a great honest review. I rode one last year at the ADV Festival and was impressed. A year later and a few bikes on I’ve come across your review which I thoroughly enjoyed and once again it has relit a candle and shone a light on a great bike irrespective of where it’s made. So much so I am currently negotiating a trade in with my local dealer. Thank you 🙏
Thank you John I was impressed by it esp the engine I have to say
What they should have asked the 75% is, has anyone been on a Chinese machine in the last 5 years. The the answer would probably be no.I have a 2020 Benelli trk 502x and it's been faultless. Great vlog mate keep em coming.
Thank you Ian I’ll shortly be reviewing the new Voge range 😎👍🏻
I have one, bouht last year.. Made already only little bit over 2000 km - I know, the price seems to be high compared to "non-chinese-brand-case" bikes, dont have any electronic extra features, besides BBox which not working 😂, there are almost any windshields, cases, bags on the market etc., BUT I love the sound, I love the style, I love the seat/body position, I like the steel frame.. Life is too short for deeper arguments. You like it - you buy it - you enjoy it!
Absolutely correct my friend totally agree 😎👍🏻
I bought a 500 Leoncino in 2019. It was a lovely little bike with a very smooth power plant. Alas, the quality was not the best and it had replacement Speedo, brake disc and water pump. When coming to sell I found that not many dealers were interested. Had to part ex at the dealer I purchased it from. Apart from the faults I enjoyed the bike very much.
Great video TBW. Thanks for the informative review.
Many thanks David much appreciated….😎👍🏻
I know someone in Chiang Rai, Thailand, that has a 500. It has performed faultlessly for the last three years.
Your channel is getting some excellent reviews.
Well done!!
Thank you 👍🏻
@@thebingleywheeler you're welcome
@@thebingleywheeler hope you're well
great review! thanks. but i think 800 mm seat high for the trail version is not right!? i don't know the right high, but i think, it is a little higher ... round about 820 mm. some bike magazin wrote 850! ... i would like to know, what's the correct high, because i love this beauty ... but i'm 189cm high ... greetings from 🇩🇪
Would love to drive this bike one day😁 Lovely review, learned everything I need to know👍
Thank you 😊👍🏻
Pretty Cool Looking Bike
Im thinking about buying the normal street version of this. As for luggage, Shad to the P3 mounts for this, i believe.
Morning Dave. This is very similar in style as the Moto Morini Seiemmezzo which I did a demo on a few months back. I admit, I was tempted with that. The components fitted were outstanding, but depreciation put me off. I think unfortunately sales will struggle until the stigma subsides. If you are the sort of person who keeps a bike for a few years, then these bikes are a fantastic proposition, but if you like to chop and change every couple of years,then you just have to accept the financial hit. Nice review.
Hi Ian yes I think you’re spot on there. The dilemma such as it is, is residuals and I’m not sure how that can be resolved any time soon. Ride safe buddy 👍🏻
Forgot to say, great review. I'd certainly try one.
Thank you Lily very much appreciated
Love Italian bikes Mate🤨.Thanks for the review!
Since 2005 Benelli has been a part of the Qianjiang (QJ) group, the largest capacity manufacturer of motorcycles in China. QJ produces over 1,200,000 vehicles per year at its super modern factory in Wenling, about 250 miles from Shanghai.
Nice one TBW, great review of the Benelli, looks really good to me and like you say the likes of BMW, KTM and H-D use the lots of parts from China...
Cheers Henry yes that’s exactly the point 😎👍🏻
Great review of a fantastically looking an Well put together motorcycle 👍🏍🙂
Cheers Kenny I loved it!
one hears many good things about it indeed. 90 percent of reviewers give it a good rating. I would say it is the Royal Enfield of Italian stylish bikes pricewise and performance wise. There is also a 250 cc Leoncito in Thailand
Very good video TBW really enjoyed it :) keep them coming :)
Thank you that’s much appreciated….love positive comments they really help, are you and the Fox out and about at the weekend ?
@@thebingleywheeler I don’t think so Foxy got something on next week hopefully 👍
I have the standard 800, build quality is superb, every bolt is great quality and all clearly chalk marked as torqued, the little details are what make it (branding on the bars, grips, fairing under the seat). Its a very substantial bike and I cant fault it. A little nicer switch gear perhaps but that's being picky!
Fairing under the seat?
@@user-sw2lv3zp6o haha took me a while to remember what I was going on about, the side panels near the seat are cool!
@@R1cePudding I see. 😄
Any problems with that so low positioned coolant rezervoir?
I remember going down to the original Appleyards in the early 1970s on my Honda CD175. These are really good bikes but will probably suffer really bad depreciation. Does it have a 360-degree crank? The 500 does. It would account for its tractability.
Excellent review. I have subscribed.
Hi many thanks for subscribing much appreciated.....its a great bike 360 crank hopefully it will acquire a good reputation over time
Thank you!
That is a seriously good looking bike
One of the best I thought
Looks good.
The same comments here where once also made about Japanese motorbikes when they first began importing into UK... But look at them now..... China will hopefully repeat this evolution from cheap bikes, built down to a cost.... Into truly desirable, efficient well built motorcycles... But alas I don't like how the Chinese workers are being exploited. I worry about Chinese politics and the future growth into a truly awesome world power... But you could use the same arguments about the UK and our development ... India also is undergoing the same journey from cheap nasty to well engineered machine... Maybe the Benelli is the bike that changes opinions... Geat review have fun....
Some very wise and considered words there my friend and spot on 👍🏻
Yes you are right there are very good products from chinese companies for the money they cost, in our Market. But if you don’t mind I still prefer to rely on our western manufacturers, even if they include lot of parts from china and labor from china in their products, I will try to keep up helping our Economy and prefer Brands Like Triumph, certain models, BMW also, certain models, Royal Enfield, certain products etc. But you’re right on the money and in general wise from a consumer point of view, you will always look for the product that satisfies your needs at the better cost 👍🏻
Maybe second hand with a nice pricedrop. Might be a good deal.
My other concerns would be for the price at Almost 8 grand otr there are many other big name bikes with much better quality and features it's going against, it might be a better option if it was a grand or so cheaper, but it's going head to head with much better options I'd say.
That’s a point however when one is taken by the looks, feel and style of a particular bike…well….😂
@@thebingleywheeler perhaps Wheeler, but as another person commented, there is depreciation to consider, what will it be worth in 18 months say as a PX 🤔
About the same as a KTM 😂
They are cheaper in Thailand, but they are also the same as the Harley Davidson x5090 which is now about to be released in south east Asia, using same engine and frame froom Chinese company. China used to make bad quality cheap stuff, now they make good quality cheap stuff. All Ducatis are assembled in Thailand almost, using parts from China and electronics (some) from Pakistan. Harley use China, Apple iPhones came out of China, Most major Motorcycle companies these days have their parts made in China
Considered one but went with the Himmy!
Good call 👍🏻
Lovely sir
Thank you
I learned to ride on a Benelli 350 years ago. It seems like a great bike and your review was very good 👍. The problem I have is that I do not like the Chinese government that controls every company in China. The Chinese navy is now larger than the US navy and we have paid for this military expansion with our purchases of cheap Chinese imports. Decent labour conditions and intellectual property rights are often ignored. I live a lot closer to China than you do in the UK and we do have to be conscious of the balance of power in the world, human nature being what it is. I would not buy a Chinese bike.
What about all the Chinese components in everything we use?
Has it escaped your notice that it’s the West that goes around the world killing people in the name of democracy.
@@thebingleywheeler There is a difference between things we need and things we want. I think that drives a lot of those 75% negative answers. It’s one of those “Given the choice” type questions.
Some BMWs are Made in China
Al Lot of Batteries for Motorcycles are
Made in China and the Mobile Phone
You are Holding ..
@@thebingleywheeler That is a big part of the problem. My motorbikes are made in India.
It's a nice looking bike at a good price and I am sure their are a mix of reasons and just like you say political and past history of bad quality with the Chinese manufacture of stuff but one whole hell of a lot of items are either made or have parts that are made in China. Looking at it what's not to like I'd have one if it wasn't a bit on the high side .😉👌👍 Like it a lot !
Thank you yes it’s a tall ish bike but a lower seat is sure to be an option at some point 😎👍🏻
I wish the world would stop wondering and liking the TFT screens because the same people will be realising they were duped with the 'lcd watch' effect, as the screens start flickering and dousing out and breaking after a mere few years, and people realise that an analoge speedometer is not only the classic durable eternal solution, but that it is higher quality and longer lasting, and has a lower CARBON FOOTPRINT
I agree!
12:40 From what I've seen parts supply, or lack of is the issue.
Not heard that but a fair point and certainly a discussion to be had with any dealer before buying if that’s a concern
I had a 752S GREAT ride. It cut out one day for no reason. A widget was fired under the seat by the dealer. No dealer wanted it for a trade. Paid 6.5K sold for 3K 6 moths later.
Ouch!
That's a good look at the bike. Modern style skimpy front mudguard and no rear guard will not help it stay clean . LED lights get a thumbs up as long as replacement units are available when they pack up. Nicely rideable at low speed but legs at 45 degrees? err no. try 90degrees. May give the new 800 Suzuki a run for it's money.
My concern at that price is future parts supply. Doesn't matter so much if its a Chinese 125 that'll pay for itself in 2/3 years commuting. But this is a pricy something from somewhere with "Benelli" slapped on it, so like the nearby place selling "Moto" Morini" l just wouldn't be interested, far too risky a purchase compared to a UJM.
I suppose with Chinese bikes it’s a case of catch up! Ok they are improving year by year on the Western Market but I still feel they need to earn there spurs so to speak ! Going by this bike the ‘Little Lion’ maybe it’s a turning point tho not my cup of tea I will say it certainly looks good!
Thank you John….good points 😎👍🏻
I would have my concerns about the life of that matt black exhaust, especially if it's mild steel 🤔
That’s why I binned the oem one on the scram 😎👍🏻
@@thebingleywheeler thing is all that adds to the overall cost, which makes it poor value
Far from poor value given that aftermarket parts are an option not a requirement….there’s nothing on that bike I’d want to change myself and until the new models have been around a bit it wouldn’t be fair to pass judgement on the quality of the parts. As I said in the video that although the components look and feel decent quality to only time elapsed will tell 👍🏻
Looks nice but I wouldn’t take it off road-too heavy.I think lighter,smaller capacity bikes are the future.Nice to see all those cycle lanes that they’ve spent millions on being well used!
I think influencers are being paid to make people trend towards smaller capacity bikes to lessen carbon emissions by public usage. But destroyer shps and Nasa Rockets and tanks and planes can still keep buring away. By the way; There is also a 250 cc Leoncito in Thailand.
Can this type of bike hit 60?
Easily over 100
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Excuse my limited knowledge of motorcycles, but I'd rather buy a Chinese built motorcycle (cause they have a slippery image slope to climb) over an Italian made motorcycle. Either way, I'm OK with the survey, prices will stay relatively lower on bikes like these.
Also, majority of 'European' motorcycles are built in Thailand, India or China at this point. It's weird that some brands have a much bigger image problem with it than others.
That’s a lot of HP, compared to my 2022 enfield classic 350, it’s roughly twice the engine capacity, but 4 times the engine HP. They must have it well and truly wound up.😳
Well it certainly rides well!
no, it will be ok , as the honda 750 hornet with a similar engine is over 90 bhp ;;;
It will take more than a poultry 10 bhp to get me over the ugliness of the Hornet 🐝 😂😂
@@thebingleywheeler Hard to believe it was the Italians who designed the look of the Hornet as well ......... maybe Honda employs all the designers that need a trip to the Rome branch of 'Specsavers'......
I know this is an old comment but the Enfield Classic is hardly a good comparison. Its carbureted, low compression, very low power for the size. A typical 250cc has more horsepower then that. The Benelli comes out with similar hp-cc ratio as most other common bikes, i.e 1hp per 10cc roughly
At 18 minutes...there's a bolt missing at the front disc!
Yes looks like it on the abs ring not the disc itself
75% of are survey says, people would be put off buy a Chinese motorcycle ! Hmm, how many of them have iphones ???
I don't think The Bingley Wheeler has had past experience of the ownership of a Chinese brand bike otherwise he would not be bemused as to why such a high percentage of folks would avoid them. I bought a brand new step through (Baotian 110cc). There were so many problems that I gave it away I was so sick of it
On the other hand lots of comments from people who have had no problems with them…..so just like any other make of bike then….good and bad experiences 👍🏻
Some political comments there. Please tell me where that road is going past the water i would like to ride it I live in Horsforth 😊
Hi Phil it’s Otley Road High Eldwick Bingley towards Menston…50 then 60 limit….good run you’ll need to go via Guiseley on the A65 or better still over Otley Chevin 👍🏻
I think it's difficult to not buy Chinese based on politics when so many things from tv's to mobile phones to cars and motorcycles have parts made in China. I do think the quality has improved but I notice they still have short service intervals compared to Japanese manufacturers which makes me think that maybe they are not quite as good on the inside. I think Honda have just changed the game with the new Hornet at £6,999. I think the Chinese are going to have to up their game on quality if they seriously want to overcome the hurdles they face in the market. I really like the Benelli 502c it looks like a mini Ducati Diavel but it is the quality questions and short service intervals that have put me off buying one regardless of the low price.
Indeed Mike and of course a point I did make during the video 👍🏻
@@thebingleywheeler You did cover it and I was only really leaving a comment to say that even though there are some Chinese bikes that I really I still cannot bring myself to put my own money up for one.
Very fair point it’s always an individual choice on that basis 👍🏻
Short service interval is always good for the engine. European brands stretch them too far just like they do with cars. It's an image thing and a smart owner will always shorten the interval especially for oil changes when it's quoted as 10k miles or something unreasonable like that. Cut the interval in half and you can double the life span of the engine. Of course most buyers don't care as they only keep a bike for a short while. But maybe you want to keep one longer - or at least have the option to.
@@varmastiko2908 too far? can you prove that with facts ? I would say I can see no reason why any manufacturer would suggest a service interval that is likely to compromise reliability. It is very much in their interests not to have longer service intervals than necessary. Now I think most people, regardless of mileage intervals, will have their bike serviced annually so even if a schedule says 10,000 miles most people don't do that in a year so they are more likely to be servicing at 5 or 6 thousand once a year. Now if your filtration is good and your engine manufacturing is good and your oil is good that should never cause an issue but many of these Chinese bikes have 3 or 4,000 mile intervals which means servicing twice or 3 times a year which is way more than the Japanese or Europeans so you have to ask yourself why. Many Japanese and European bikes are around with huge mileages on them I have yet to see one of these Chinese bikes with 50 or 60,000 miles on despite their short servicing.
Hmmm, when Honda are selling the new Hornet for under £7k that Benelli looks far too pricey!
That Honda is so ugly I wouldn’t buy one for 7 quid never mind 7 grand 😂
Shame about valve clearances
Just because many global companies are sourcing components from China, much like the majority of World governments are now following the Chinese political idiom doesn't make it at all right. Whilst I cannot choose where my necessities are produced or their components sourced, I most certainly can with things I choose to buy.
Similarly it is not through people's choice that the governments of this and most other countries, wish to enslave their citizens in a similar manner to China. Yourself having made videos regarding nefarious new restrictions of freedom being forced upon us, might do well to discourage rather than encourage supporting the funding of it.
I agree. One school of thought here seems to be that since we are paying a lot of our hard earned money to China already, it is therefore alright to pay them even more. I think that is a flawed argument.
Errr…..it’s a bike not a nuclear warhead!!
@ Grey Wolf….Err….then don’t buy one my friend….either way it’s not fair to associate an honest review of a bike with somehow supporting oppressive regimes. On that basis we’d never buy anything made in the UK, US, France, Germany, Italy, Austria and many other western democracies who have comprehensively “enslaved” their populations one way or another…..and what of those people who can only afford something Chinese made?
@@thebingleywheeler If 75% of the population didn't have reservations, the numbers of these bikes sold might amount to a warhead or two. However little you support a corrupt system or illegal activity doesn't detract from guilt by association.
Recent events over the past couple of years in this country have remained unchallenged, if not fully supported by the majority. Therefore any suffering, harm caused or deaths as a result carry a burden of responsibility amongst all who did not voice objection. For evil to prevail all it takes is for the good to remain silent. 😢
@ Grey Wolf…Are you seriously accusing me of aiding and abetting state murder? It’s a bike review! Whether you like it or not, taking a principled stand when it comes to an easy choice like buying a motorcycle whilst continuing to own and use other Chinese made products/components on the basis of “having no choice” is hypocrisy. Or are you saying that your values are always a function of the degree of difficulty you encounter in upholding them? “That good men do nothing” cannot be selectively applied….as an axiom it is absolute and by implication any person who buys anything with any sort of Chinese provenance is someone who has played a part in supporting the oppressive state….and the same would apply to anyone who has ever put petrol in their motorcycle….oil coming as it mostly does from another oppressive regime (Saudi Arabia)….so where do we draw the line my friend eh?
Well, it's certainly a political hot potato but it is a lovely looking bike.
I would just say, if you are starting out in biking or don't have much money, you don't have a lot of choice if you take out Chinese bikes. The poor old consumer gets blamed for all the ills of today when in reality, they have little choice in the face of self seeking governments and uncaring big businesses.
Very well put indeed 😎👍🏻
75% of negative riders should stop reading MCN More Crap than News.
Great vid mate, i own this bike ❤
Thank you hope you're enjoying the bike I'll be covering some of the other models soon
Sorry £9k
£7699+otr =200
chinese too
i wish they would just call it a 750 ;;;; the honda hornet makes over 90 bhp , weighs less , has a much bigger dealer network and is ONLY 7000 pounds ;; BUT BUT , SOME HONDAS ARE NOW COMING OUT POORLY FINISHED , corroding badly and the company does not want to know ;;;; the hornet 750 is just a pointy insect fronted plastic mess to look at , but underneath it seems good, ,...... this 'little lion' looks far more the part , i like a proper round headlamp and the benelli comes close , this would be my choice for a bike this style , as for the chinese thingy ;; i don.t like china's human rights attitude either , but nearly all bikes are using parts or full builds from there ...
Absolutely spot on Simon shame Honda are playing fast and lose with their reputation
Buy a Leoncino 800 it's not compoustry. Every bike it's different. I own one leoncino 800 and I just love it.
No thanks, just another bike relying on a high end name for sales, with little or no genetic integrity, like the new Goldy.
This will be reflected in second hand values, and getting it serviced/ parts in a few short years.
Sorry to be a little negative, but give me a brand with some real heritage and bloodline.
Are we talking motorcycling or anthropology here? 😂
Couldn't agree more, slapping "Benelli" on the tank is just smoke & mirrors marketing.