I've been knocked out on the field by a coat hanger tackle and I planned to take vengeance in the grand final but we didn't make it so I know what it's like to be knocked out. I would have accepted that Maynard's was a football accident.
I can't help but disagree. I think he chooses to make a bigger contact by lowering the shoulder and rotating the body. I accept he was always going to make contact but he chose which way to roll his shoulders and he chose to use the shoulder and not brace with arms/hands.
Let’s not forget how JVR nearly decapitated a suns player in a spoiling attempt and got off, Goodwin was jumping all over the media calling it a ‘footy act’, a bit hypocritical of him to now throw Maynard under the bus.
to keep it as blunt as you did you have 1 player who was knocked out and another who was able to carry on the rest of the game. in the end im sure maynard gets off and JVR cops a week.
@@fgerwbwtbwrtbwrtb maynards contact was softer than JVR's, If JVR did the same thing to mccartin or brayshaw he would have killed them with how easy they get concussed.
If you have a car accident due to reckless or risky driving by one of the drivers then a penalty is correctly imposed on the wrongful driver. The question comes down to whether Maynard's action was reckless or risky.
Maynard should definitely NOT be suspended. I agree with Kane, this is an unfortunate football act. If he gets suspended for this I fear for the game. You can jump in the air for a mark and knee players in the head and it is fine. Do the AFL want to ban leaving the ground altogether or ban attempted smothers leaving the ground. This is an aerial game. The ball spends more time in the air than on the ground.
Well, Simon Goodwin was also the one that said his team values what Brodie Grundy brings to the squad so he's got form in saying things that age poorly
He tucks his shoulder in and aims his elbow, that's not bracing for impact. Doesn't matter if it's a reflex action. He rolled the dice, and made contact with the head.
Exactly! I think he was trying for a decent hip and shoulder to the body but missed and hit his head. Bad luck for both of them, especially Bradshaw. 3weeks at least.
You're judging this with the full benefit of hindight and slo-motion replays from several different angles. Maynard can't halt his momentum nor can he change his trajectory mid-flight. He made a split-second decision to brace for impact rather than leave himself wide open.
@@Bubba__Sawyer ...Late to this party, but he could have extended his hands forward to cushion the hit but, instead he dropped the shoulder and that cost someone their career.
Holy crap! I agree with Kane for once! I a blue supporter but hope the young pie gets cleared. Love all the Brayshaw boys to but I love the heat the pie supports brought, be merciless, it ain't ballet
Had time enough, midair, to turn his body slightly and tuck his arm in, but not enough time to use his already outstretched arms to minimise the impact on a player in a completely vulnerable position after disposing the ball. Give it a spell Cornes. He knew what he was doing, and wants to cry protecting myself after knocking a bloke out
Maynard was attempting a smother, not a bump. He can't halt his momentum nor can he change his trajectory mid-flight. He made a split-second decision to brace for impact rather than leave himself wide open.
If the AFL wants to get rid of high, or potential head contact between players, hangars and species will need to gotten rid of completely. Jumping on someone's shoulders with your knees and potentially hitting them in the head with your knees, can concuss or potentially knock someone out. If the AFL dosent do this, then they're not truly trying to protect players at all costs.
@@smokescreen2146 let's take intensity, passion and the intent to win the game , out of the game aswell. We can all watch teams play kick to kick then. Then there's no risk of injuries from fast intense play, and everybody can smile and go home a winner
@@aussiekid3588 Only a moron, or one hell bent on causing maximum carnage, would even think about jumping towards an opponent to smother the ball and not thinking or knowing where he would land in the process.
@@smokescreen2146 do you think an AFL player has the time to think of that after he's already in the air. Especially when intensity is at all time high in qualifying final. Your response proves you've never done anything fast paced or played a genuine competitive fast paced sport.
@@aussiekid3588 Lmfoa, what's next? take someone's fingers off with your super powerful kick while they reach for the ball on the ground? Oh yeah, no time to think of course. You are the one who has never played a game of Aussie Rules. You are competely ignorant as to what its dangers are.
I'm a tiger supporter and I think Maynard should be given some credit for the amazing genuine effort to smother the ball. He jumped really high and came down and just did a action to protect himself. The hit was a genuine accident. I saw no deliberate malic. Are we going to take the art of smothering and amazing effort that Maynard put into that smother attempt out of the game. If Cripps deliberate head shot was found not guilty and then to rub salt into the wound given a Brownlow medal you can not suspend this innocent man Maynard.
Spot on mate don’t listen to the flogs out here who don’t know what they talking about it’s a straight forward case that’s what happens when two blokes play the game. None of them out here talking about the other incident in the same game which was obviously intentional and sent a player off concussed just like Goodwin they don’t wanna know the truth haha
Thats the problem. He braced for contact. Then shoulder contacts hits the head. Why didn't he just stiff arm Bradshaws chest instead. He would have a better chance and excuse to say he tried to avoid serious contact. Time to brace.. yes. Time to put arms out in front...yes. he should be gone.
I couldn't agree more! Jumping to smother was fine, tucking in and shouldering instead of putting his arms out to reduce the impact is the damaging, reportable, and suspendable bit.
With Browny on this one, if Brayshaw were a teammate Maynard easily, easily finds another way to make contact with the player with less impact. No questions asked. Put it this way (hypothetical), if Maynard knew he was going to knock him out mid air, he changes the way he braces. The question that is more important is; is the health (head) of the player more important than feeling sorry for a player that 'unfortunately' KO'd another bloke? The game has and is changing before our eyes, you see both sides however going back to Nathan Brown's comment, 'Avoid the head at all costs' is the ultimatum. Just my thoughts on this
I know this has been said and done already but the Maynard teammate thing is basically pointless because why would he even attempt to smother his own teammate? He also had a split second to react so there wasn’t much he could’ve done
@@RBoy12Gamer scratch match. Yeah we can agree to disagree, I personally think if I was in that position I could have done something about it, so therefore I think ole mate could have also.
It was not a marking contest like Lynch‘s case. Poor comparison from Kane Cornes. Maynard had no reason to jump off the ground other than trying to blocking the kick. However, Maynard was not jumping upward but instead jumping forward. Brickshaw was the ball carrier, Maynard had a few legal options to defend but not hiting Brickshaw on the head after he disposed the ball. Maynard is definitely at fault.
It's a split second thing, with no malice, and at worst an unconscious error by Maynard. The game of Aussie Rules is full of them, and the code is by nature dangerous for all players. The AFL is trying to make it less so, but there will always be risks because players have to throw their bodies around to effect tackle and in this case, smother the ball. Who is to blame if two players launch themselves simultaneously into the air, and one of them realizes a collusion is imminent and covers up? Unfortunately for both, it's part of the game.
Of course you can jump to smother, but you need to make contact with the ball not plant your shoulder into the kickers head. It’s not intentional but careless.
@@stevelozevski8151what would you suggest players do after being in the air for 2 seconds when coming down onto a player without also injuring themselves?
I like Lloydy but that’s a lazy hypothetical. If you’ve got arms out they’re going to be straight in front not flopping all over the place like a Michelin man. It’s pretty reasonable to expect given Maynard was smothering. Arms/shoulders would absorb the majority of the initial impact force making a double KO ridiculously unlikely even if there was a small head collision after that. Don’t know how you just assume that it’ll be direct head on head.
If we are going to start suspending players for trying to smother the ball and making contact with a player.Then lets get rid of jumping up for a mark because you might clean up a player or jumping on another players shoulders because your knee could make contact with someone's head.stop running back with the flight of the ball because it's dangerous.the hell with it just stop playing footy altogether because going out there week by week puts you in harms way. It really is becoming a joke. I'm ok with suspending a player that goes out there to deliberately hurt another player but suspending someone for a football act is not fare.Lets hope the afl get this right.
@@johnasker7684 But Kane said he didn't jump. I wasn't questioning his motives for jumping, but he did jump. Disclaimer: I do not support either side. I also have no interest on whether he gets suspended or not.
@@johnasker7684last year shouldn’t be used as this year, tightened up in these hits this year and even last year cripps shouldn’t have gotten away with that, most likely did bc he’s the captain and most popular bloke in arguably second most followed team
although maynard didn’t intend to knock the bloke out i see a lot of ppl saying he couldn’t do anything in mid air. i think that’s something to be argued bc it is that precise decision in mid air where u can’t move that although he was trying to smother, maynard would have no control of the situation and has ended up possibly ending the blokes career. i know they want to look at intention over outcome looking at mccartins incident r23 but he’s chosen to jump up, with that decision removing control i feel the situation is in that players responsibility as they chose to jump losing control of the situation
@@annpeerkat2020wouldn't a fend-off be a forearm? Do you think that would be better than what he did? It seems some people are expecting that Maynard should have opened himself up to broken ribs for the sake of saving the other person.
your fendoffs might mean a forerarm... I guess that might say a bit about you. As someone else said.... if it was a collingwood player's head he was about to hit, he'd have done things very differently. @@bowks1o_o669
@@mmmmmm-ry1nq He actually did. If you look at the ground-level vision you will see that both arms were extended outward on initial contact. Because of the angle they collided, his left arm just glanced Brayshaw's right arm and slipped passed, with Maynard's right hand and arm hitting the right side of Brayshaw's chest and arm. This has bent Maynard's right arm in and basically perfectly lined up Maynard's shoulder with Brayshaw's head.
If you watch the incident Maynard is not directly in line with Brayshaw, his right shoulder is actually in line in Brayshaws head and what do you know, Maynard turns his right shoulder into Brayshaws head. NBA players are able to run at a jump shooter, jump to contest the shot and contort their body in mid air to avoid contact and subsequently avoid fouling the shooter numerous times a game, thousands of times a season. Maynard could have turned his body the other way and at least tried to avoid contact. If it was Pendlebury kicking it, im sure he would have at least tried to avoid head contact and shown a duty of care to the opponent. Which is what it comes down to these days.
Kane, "anyone who doesn't agree with me has never played the game." By the old standards of course that is play on, but we are not playing by the old standards. Maynard is a great player, but he sprinted as hard as he could, launched himself through the air like a torpedo straight at Brayshaw, landed on top of him recklessly and knocked him out.
1. The footy action argument is rubbish - tackling is a footy action but do it wrong you get suspended. 2. The AFL all year has said if you choose a course of action and hit the head it is your responsibility so you are gone. 3. Media pathetic - if this was May taking out Daicos their reaction would be totally different.
The business of sport Gone are the days in sport when high-risk on-field actions could be defended on the grounds they were simply “part of the game”. Sport is well and truly a business, and managers have a legal duty of care for employees and are expected to be proactive in preventing injury in the workplace.
I think he could have not lead with his shoulder. Split second decision, but he made the wrong one. He will get suspended, then it will be appealed and collingwood's lawyers will get him off.
all players have a duty of care to others not to expose each other to potentially serious harm... Maynard is a thug and always has been... he knew heavy frontal contact was imminent and chose to shoulder up at neck/head height... don't care what team, he should've been kicked back to VFA level until he learns his place... AFL doesn't need a thug like him.
It was a reckless attempt to launch himself like that towards Brayshaw- it may not have been intentional but he had very little to no control over himself in that situation and Brayshaw paid the price for that. Maynard should be hit with at least a game ban.
@@rhysh2639 it’s the uncontrolled part of the launching that was the issue not whether he was launching himself at the ball or not. He put another player in danger and ended up knocking him out, pretty simple. Tribunal made a bad call overturning that in my view (so much for all this talk about protecting the head) but it is what it is.
@@pauldoherty6413 I feel the correct decision was made. It was a desperate attempt at trying to smother the ball. Players are taught when they first start playing the game to "go for the footy". Footy is a fast-paced game and finals are high-pressure and high-intensity. There's not much time to think. All Maynard tried to do was attack the footy, it just wouldn't be fair to rub him out for something that happened accidentally. Had Maynard chose to stand still and not do what he did, he would've received criticism for not trying hard enough. It was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Everybody is playing to keep their spot in the side and to keep their premiership hopes alive. Brayshaw getting knocked out was purely accidental, yet unfortunate. The AFL can only do so much to "protect the head" but unfortunately due to the nature of the sport, hits to the head are inevitable. Ultimately the decision is up to Brayshaw, whether he's willing to take the risk and continue playing. He as a professional footballer should know that concussions are sometimes unavoidable in football.
@@rhysh2639 again the fact he tried to smother the ball isn’t really the point, it’s the fashion he attempted the smother. Reckless and put Brayshaw in a vulnerable position as he had no chance of protecting himself. He could easily have attempted a smother without launching himself up and forward as he did in that situation, it was a pretty stupid thing to do. Fair enough a lot of players do stupid things in the moment without much thought but when it leads to another player being knocked out (especially when the AFL go on about head protection) there should be an appropriate punishment. It wasn’t unavoidable, had he attempted the smother in a different and normal/safer fashion it would’ve been avoided. There’s a difference between being totally committed and aggressive and being reckless and stupid. Agree to disagree I suppose but wrong outcome for me 👍
I'm with brayden on this, this shouldn't have even been referred. He may think he was blocked in our eagles win in 2018, but there is no way he should be suspended. I actually feel for him having to look like such a bad guy when all he did was play the game.
So players can’t dive at an opponent’s legs to smother the ball otherwise he gets penalised for collecting the legs; fair enough. But then it’s ok to jump into an opponent’s head to make that same smother? When can argue all we like about Maynard trying to protect himself with his shoulder, but jumping at an opponent isn’t a reasonable smothering technique to begin with.
This incident is unprecedented, so it would be incredibly unfair to punish Maynard for attempting a smother. Perhaps a rule change is needed in which you can only leap vertically to smother. It took Rohan getting his leg broken to make that rule. Would it have been fair to punish the guy who did that before the action was outlawed? Of course not.
Regardless of how this case goes through the tribunal what concerns me is the hypocrisy these AFL heads seem to marinate in. There main concern is injuries to the head and rightly so but what about the "screamer" when a player flies through the air hits the shoulder or cannons their knee(s) into the back of another players skull! Nothing, oh it's part of the game but it doesn't change the potential of serious injury! Ask a kickboxer or an MMA fighter what damage a knee can do. These AFL squareheads need to understand that there are risks within the game and that's the punt players take when playing the game.
In the slo-mo of Grayshaw running towards the camera, as soon as he kicks the ball his body veers to the right, towards Maynard (unfortunately). I think this is an important piece to the puzzle. It was just the way his body moved in the momentum of the moment, but it contributed to the head contact.
I loathe Collingwood and Maynard , but He should get off this ridiculous charge . You can't change direction in mid air , and are entitled to protect both yourself and the other player .
@@stevesalkas9128 So he got knocked out and concussed because of ...what? You get concussion from hits to the head. Maybe anatomy isn't your forte. Or maybe it's to do with your one eyed eyesight????
Deliberate malice has nothing to do with it. He ran past the ball and knocked a bloke out. The duty of care lies with the player running past the ball and making contact to the head. If he gets off, the AFL’s “we must protect the head” mantra is a joke.
All these people saying “it was a footy act” don’t know what they are talking about. A hip and shoulder or bump is a footy but if you choose to do that and hit someone high and concuss them then you face the consequences. Going off what they are trying to protect this year which is head knocks, he should get suspended unfortunately for him. He was better off landing on brayshaw and giving away a downfield than turn his body and hit him in the face with his shoulder. At the end of the day a player was stretchered off and didn’t come back on
@@frustralia4293 I’ve played a lot haha if you ask me I hate how soft the game is now. I wish I was born earlier so I could’ve experienced the 80s footy. I think while their are sports like ufc and boxing it’s crazy how we are destroying our sport trying to stop these things happening when those other sports don’t change at all. But since their are rules to avoid concussions, then these new rules says he gets suspended
It’s in the rules if you bump and hit someone in the head you’re responsible it’s in the rules if you tackle someone and sling them to the ground and they hit their head you’re responsible it’s not in the rules that if you attempt to smother and you hit them in the head you’re responsible until they put that into the rule book it’s not a automatic suspension that’s why The MRO decided he had no case to answer it was the AFL that put it to the tribunal as they are the only ones that can make up rules as they go along if they want to change the rules fine but you can’t change the rules after the offence has been committed
@@artefactsbubble3742 it’s not in the rules that say he should be suspended the MRO said he had no case to answer it was the AFL That overruled the MRO and put it to the tribunal because they’re worried about lawsuits coming from concussion victims
How is an attempted smother not a footy act? He wasn't going for the player. He was going for the ball - it was totally accidental. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea about football.
Maynard could of bumped softer, instead he turned to make the bump harder. Brayshaw was very vulnerable. I am a Collingwood supporter but feel 1 or 2 weeks should apply.
Maynard can't halt his momentum nor can he change his trajectory mid-flight. He made a split-second decision to brace for impact rather than leave himself wide open.
Its a bit generous to call it a spoil. It was an aggressive taking space to make the entry less direct prior to the disposal. In the end he just launched at the player. In the end Brayshaw was just taking a kick in open play and got knocked out
@@mmmmmm-ry1nq there are a dozen collisions each game with the force of Maynard/Brayshaw. Brayshaw just has a glass jaw (not his fault or a knock on him, just how it is). Van Rooyen ran past the ball and hit McStay flush in the jaw. One was a footy incident, one was a cheap shot.
Jakob Ryan got concussed when he sat under hhigh ball waiting for a mark. Do we ban high marks because there a chance someone will get the head rattled? Things happen due to height differential. Lets say Maynard and another player are flying for a nark, coming from opposite directions. He elevates himself early and collides with the head of the opponent. Could he be reported for that? It mihht even be cotaeral damage.
Gone are the days in sport when high-risk on-field actions could be defended on the grounds they were simply “part of the game”. Sport is well and truly a business, and managers have a legal duty of care for employees and are expected to be proactive in preventing injury in the workplace.
Here is where the AFL needs to align themselves with every other body contact sport . Bring in the bunker and yellow and red cards . If a player is severely hurt let the bunker decide, if the actions of the opposition player is worth a yellow or red card. And if a player is given yellow or red , it should be yellow 10 mins , red gone for the game and he cannot be replaced
This is a joke, what was Maynard supposed to do? React within a split second and magically stop himself in mid-air? Or should he have made a split second decision to just stand there and not even attempt to smother at all in the first place? Players are told at a very young age to "go for the footy", which is exactly what Maynard did....unfortunately he just so happened to collide with Brayshaw's head. It was an unfortunate and unlucky incident. It's all part of the game, it's a contact sport. These things happen. If you're too worried about head-knocks; don't play the game!
Launching yourself several meters forward through the air towards the on coming player is not a standard smother and just like the sling tackle earlier in the year it should be penalised out of the game lest an even worse head injury occurs. This was a footy action but performed in a non standard and unprecedetedly dangerous way that abandoned all duty of care to the other player.
This incident is unprecedented, so it would be incredibly unfair to punish Maynard for attempting a smother. Perhaps a rule change is needed in which you can only leap vertically to smother.
@@Bubba__Sawyer in what universe does anyone need to be told or even worse have a special rule brought in to tell you that launching yourself into the air head on at a player coming the other way is incredibly dangerous and should never be done. Its unprecedented because precisely everyone else has understood that duty of care and not done it but Maynard chose doing an extreme act in an extreme desire to win at all costs.
@@frustralia4293 on the contrary, I have but I also instruct another sport where head contact may occurr and since the mid 1990s I have been ruthless in getting members to avoid head contact because the preliminary evidence about the dangers of head trauma were already there even if the afl and others largely ignored them for another 15 or more years. Earlier this year the league did crack down on sling tackles that were football actions but potentially dangerous ones and now players have adapted and tackles rarely result in heads banging the ground. Maynard needs to be penalised because he didnt show enough duty of care in the way he smothered which I have never seen another player do plus a message needs to be sent to everybody else just as it was with sling tackles which had been legal football actions for years
my gut instinct is that he will be suspended, not cos he knocked someone out, but because this type of footballer is despised by the afl pencil pushers, hes an alpha, cant have that.
a batsmen has to see a cricket ball, decide which shot and execute shot in less time than 0.58 secs. baseball players even less. that is a long time in pro sport. he led with the shoulder
A batsman practices the same action hundreds of thousands of times to react in that time - absoulutely irrelevant. And how many baseballers can avoid the ball aimed at the head.
I was at the game and collingwood fans chanting "Maynard" and "Collingwood" while Braysahw lay on the ground out cold, is the dirtiest thing I have ever seen in any code of football.
I saw West Coast fans booing an opposition player being stretchered off the ground because the umpires paid a high contact free. The Collingwood fans, while being complete arseholes are amateur in comparison
Because they were trying to support their player who didn't do anything wrong. If the collingwood fans let the melbourne fans boo maynard all day then i can guarantee you the result of the game would of gone Melbourne's way.
@@thesecretwombat056 he did everything wrong. all he had to do was put up his hands and ease the impact but he deliberately went for a shoulder to the face.
@@Zenrising_YTCM_President Lets not forget that Brayshaw also leaned/veared into maynards path, maynard has to protect himself at first which he did legally by turning his body. would you prefer he leave himself open and they both get hurt?
Maynard was attempting a smother, not a bump. He can't halt his momentum nor can he change his trajectory mid-flight. He made a split-second decision to brace for impact rather than leave himself wide open.
Having been the cause of the collision the responsibility falls on Maynard to prevent or soften the effects, not just to protect himself. He sought to smother or touch the football and yet he knocked out the the oncoming player, for which he has to take responsibility.
If a player gets 3+ matches for an accident in a footballing act and another (van Rooyen) gets 1 match for intentionally hitting a player in the head, then the AFL has truly lost the plot, which we know they have.
Far out Nathan. You have played the game. Stop trying to be a media person and trying to invent drama. Also its not like a player will ever run towards a teammate to smother the ball.
Perhaps if you decide to run & jump directly in line with an incoming player who’s in possession of the ball, you have acted recklessly/carelessly and you need to accept the consequences of the collision. If this incident happened in under 12’s we surely wouldn’t accept it as a football act. The player (Maynard) has acted carelessly or recklessly hence a player is unconscious.
@@DanielReed-vv2bk Okay then, until that's a rule then you suspend a player for it. I'd be more than happy with a new rule in 2024 where you can only leap vertically to smother.
I’ve witnessed many attempted smothers whilst running and jumping forward. In this scenario the player generally doesn’t over commit and land on top of the kicker.
Again Cornes re-interprets what was said. Where did Goodwin say anything about deliberate? Never did, but Cornes being the flog he is likes to put in words that were not said and make up a story. Fact of the matter is that during the week there was mouthing off about what would be done to Melbourne players, that transpired into action before the ball was bounced. This then resulted in a rush of blood, getting carried away a bit too much with the resultant clash. Not saying it was deliberate, but it was a tad reckless due to getting a bit too carried away. Not the first time this has happened and nor will it be the last.
As a lions fan I would love to see him out,but in all seriousness I agree he shouldn't be suspended. It would be unfair it was just an unfortunate accident.
Stupid comment dude. It was a football action but I ain't gonna waste my time to explain because I know you are just a Collingwood hater dude lololololol.
A football action bracing the shoulder and hitting another player in the head with it. Welcome back to the 70s. @@paulkyriakopoulos3444 PS... lovely girly lols.
No they aren’t. He ran past the ball and knocked a bloke out. Mandatory three weeks. And you know the way the AFL thinks about these things. They worry little Johnny in the under 13s will do the same thing and the mum of the kid he bowls over will ban her kid from playing. Junior leagues are struggling for players as it is.
I saw buckley raise this in the sen show he and kane do... good to see kane stealing buckleys points and taking it as his own on a diffrent show! Poor effort kane- poor effort
Quite clearly a lot of people do not understand the seriousness of taking action to prevent head-high injuries. If players to do not change their behaviour the AFL will be swamped with claims for millions of dollars by players with future brain and mental injuries.
@@stevesalkas9128u don’t sign up for afl and be expected to take hits like this, hard hits can happen in almost any job given circumstances this is not a normal circumstance in the afl
Maynard should get off, but how can Cornes complain about Martin getting 2 weeks when he had a swinging arm that landed flush on the jaw? In Rugby League he'd cop 4 weeks for that. He was lucky he didn't knock Blakey out or break his jaw.
When the running Maynard jumped to spoil the ball, he raised both hands simultaneously upwards. Raising the hands this way means that at the time of leaving contact with the ground, there is no backward swing of an arm to balance the forward swing of the opposite leg (the leg which made last contact with the ground). This meant Maynard left the ground with a rotational force, and it is this that turned Maynard's shoulders while airborne. (If you observe long jump athletes, when they jump, the foot that makes the leap is on the opposite side to the backward direction of the arm movement -- this is to offset the push of the jumping leg.) The other point is Maynard instinctively bent sideways at the waist in a subconscious attempt to avoid head collision. This, in combination with the rotation described earlier, makes it appear he turned his shoulder into Brayshaw. It is a bit more complex than the description, but is the general idea.
Maynards actions ended a players finals series. Lynch was in a pack during a marking contest. No player goes to knock a player out but Maynard knew the risks when jumping. Sorry, deserves weeks. Otherwise every player will just jump in the air to hurt and use the "i was in the air" excuse.
They’ve been doing that for a while now. The claim is always ‘football act’ and ‘split second decision’. It’s complete rubbish. Own your actions. Cop the weeks.
It's easy to watch something in slow-motion as an armchair critic and assume that Maynard had all the time in the world to move his body in a different direction. It's a joke if he gets suspended for this. Suspension is tool to discipline a player for intentionally doing something wrong. Maynard went for the footy and then instinctively braced himself for impact, as he cannot just drop out of mid-air.
Exactly. With mid-air collisions, there's only inches in it. A slghtly different action from Maynard or Brayshaw and it could've been Maynard that came off 2nd best. What it Bruzzy kept his hands up and it was Brayshaw who turned his shoulder into Maynard's head? It easily could've gone that way.
Kane is wrong on this one. IT IS A REPORTABLE INCIDENT. Maynard is responsible for his actions, regardless of the intent. He made the decision to jump, he tucked his shoulder and coincidentally hit brayshaw in the head and knocks him out. Every person defending maynard has no brain between the ears.
It may or may not have KO'd a different player.... but a few of them would likely turn another player into a helmet wearer for the same reason. @@StevenCousley
You'd be right if he ran past the contest and elected to bump, but that's not the case here. A smother is a football action. Once he's leapt in the air, he can't halt his momentum or change trajectory. He made a split-second decision while in midair to brace for impact. Accidents happen in a physical game. Punishing Maynard for performing an action that the rulebook allows accomplishes nothing. Make a new rule in 2024 that you can only leap vertically in the air to smother. Until then, Bruzzy walks.
I could have been avoided by not going for the smother so aggressively and carelessly. Anyone that disagrees should open up their bank account for the future compo claims
Well, too bad there's no rule about going for smothers aggressively. You can't invent a new rule after the fact to punish a player. Perhaps we need a new rule in 2024 that you can only jump vertically to smother. Until then, this was an accident that occured during a football action.
I can’t stand Collingwood and would be happy for them to lose a player but not this way…Teammates have knocked each other out before.. should that be a reportable offence? This is strange..
@@stevelozevski8151 yes I have. Have you? Oh wait that's right, it happened in Perth and no one in Melbourne could've gone. Besides that one Melbourne fan that got caught after the game and went to prison for 8 months and got raped in there and bashed several times. I wonder if it was worth it for him? Lol 🤣 COLLINGWOOD ⚫⚪
Not a Collingwood fan, but anyone that has played football knows it’s hard to avoid these accidents
I've been knocked out on the field by a coat hanger tackle and I planned to take vengeance in the grand final but we didn't make it so I know what it's like to be knocked out. I would have accepted that Maynard's was a football accident.
@@C.A.MARSUPIAL I bet the guy who coathangered you didn't mean it and was trying to lay a tackle
Played for quite a while and it’s not that hard really
I can't help but disagree. I think he chooses to make a bigger contact by lowering the shoulder and rotating the body. I accept he was always going to make contact but he chose which way to roll his shoulders and he chose to use the shoulder and not brace with arms/hands.
@@stevelozevski8151 he ment it. You know when they mean it. Have you been knocked out on the field.
I agree with Judd saying banning slow motion replays in tribunal cases
I actually agree with skeletor for a change
I actually don't. Where do we go from here?
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Cornes is a knob
@@stevelozevski8151you just disagree anything Collingwood no one cares for your opinion
Let’s not forget how JVR nearly decapitated a suns player in a spoiling attempt and got off, Goodwin was jumping all over the media calling it a ‘footy act’, a bit hypocritical of him to now throw Maynard under the bus.
JVR already has form, doesn't he.
The fabric of the game!
Agree. Let's hope it's not a Melbourne player who accidently knocks someone out.
An accidental contact gets 3 weeks. Yet a deliberate looks at player lifts elbow hits head gets 1. really?
to keep it as blunt as you did you have 1 player who was knocked out and another who was able to carry on the rest of the game. in the end im sure maynard gets off and JVR cops a week.
Typical AFL that punish the outcome rather than the action.
@@fgerwbwtbwrtbwrtb maynards contact was softer than JVR's, If JVR did the same thing to mccartin or brayshaw he would have killed them with how easy they get concussed.
If you have a car accident due to reckless or risky driving by one of the drivers then a penalty is correctly imposed on the wrongful driver. The question comes down to whether Maynard's action was reckless or risky.
@@Bubba__Sawyerand the afl force feed political correctness, and put aflw articles in your face on the website
Maynard should definitely NOT be suspended. I agree with Kane, this is an unfortunate football act. If he gets suspended for this I fear for the game. You can jump in the air for a mark and knee players in the head and it is fine. Do the AFL want to ban leaving the ground altogether or ban attempted smothers leaving the ground. This is an aerial game. The ball spends more time in the air than on the ground.
It's not the smother that's the problem bud. It's the shoulder to the head
@@stevelozevski8151pussies like you are applauding the destruction of the game. The game is stuffed, within 5 years it will be glorified touch footy.
@@stevelozevski8151He has to be able to protect himself you nuffie
@@TheBtstephens with no regard for the other players safety. I get it
So you can launch full flight into the air, miss the ball, shirt from a defenceless player and get off? Sure mate
Well, Simon Goodwin was also the one that said his team values what Brodie Grundy brings to the squad so he's got form in saying things that age poorly
“Brodie’s now at a team that values him”
@@chrimbus71Goodwin on the nose beers and pokies
@@blahblah6227 👃🏿______ he definitely on the Nose Snow.💯
He tucks his shoulder in and aims his elbow, that's not bracing for impact. Doesn't matter if it's a reflex action. He rolled the dice, and made contact with the head.
Exactly! I think he was trying for a decent hip and shoulder to the body but missed and hit his head. Bad luck for both of them, especially Bradshaw. 3weeks at least.
You're judging this with the full benefit of hindight and slo-motion replays from several different angles. Maynard can't halt his momentum nor can he change his trajectory mid-flight. He made a split-second decision to brace for impact rather than leave himself wide open.
@@Bubba__Sawyer ...Late to this party, but he could have extended his hands forward to cushion the hit but, instead he dropped the shoulder and that cost someone their career.
Holy crap! I agree with Kane for once! I a blue supporter but hope the young pie gets cleared. Love all the Brayshaw boys to but I love the heat the pie supports brought, be merciless, it ain't ballet
Good man 👍
Had time enough, midair, to turn his body slightly and tuck his arm in, but not enough time to use his already outstretched arms to minimise the impact on a player in a completely vulnerable position after disposing the ball. Give it a spell Cornes. He knew what he was doing, and wants to cry protecting myself after knocking a bloke out
Maynard was attempting a smother, not a bump. He can't halt his momentum nor can he change his trajectory mid-flight. He made a split-second decision to brace for impact rather than leave himself wide open.
If it was Toby Greene for example would the media be saying it’s an accident.
Degoey
If the AFL wants to get rid of high, or potential head contact between players, hangars and species will need to gotten rid of completely. Jumping on someone's shoulders with your knees and potentially hitting them in the head with your knees, can concuss or potentially knock someone out. If the AFL dosent do this, then they're not truly trying to protect players at all costs.
Lets play knock the person out in the guise of a jump smother
@@smokescreen2146 let's take intensity, passion and the intent to win the game , out of the game aswell. We can all watch teams play kick to kick then. Then there's no risk of injuries from fast intense play, and everybody can smile and go home a winner
@@aussiekid3588 Only a moron, or one hell bent on causing maximum carnage, would even think about jumping towards an opponent to smother the ball and not thinking or knowing where he would land in the process.
@@smokescreen2146 do you think an AFL player has the time to think of that after he's already in the air. Especially when intensity is at all time high in qualifying final.
Your response proves you've never done anything fast paced or played a genuine competitive fast paced sport.
@@aussiekid3588 Lmfoa, what's next? take someone's fingers off with your super powerful kick while they reach for the ball on the ground? Oh yeah, no time to think of course.
You are the one who has never played a game of Aussie Rules. You are competely ignorant as to what its dangers are.
I'm a tiger supporter and I think Maynard should be given some credit for the amazing genuine effort to smother the ball. He jumped really high and came down and just did a action to protect himself. The hit was a genuine accident. I saw no deliberate malic. Are we going to take the art of smothering and amazing effort that Maynard put into that smother attempt out of the game. If Cripps deliberate head shot was found not guilty and then to rub salt into the wound given a Brownlow medal you can not suspend this innocent man Maynard.
I saw him turn his shoulder and plant it straight into Maynard's head
“this innocent man”. Listen to ya 😂
Spot on mate don’t listen to the flogs out here who don’t know what they talking about it’s a straight forward case that’s what happens when two blokes play the game. None of them out here talking about the other incident in the same game which was obviously intentional and sent a player off concussed just like Goodwin they don’t wanna know the truth haha
@@mitochondriac5946listen to you pathetic…….clearly have some screws loose and it’s got you all raged up hahaha
@@BennyDeeOz which other player was concussed.
Dropped the shoulder into him, 3 weeks minimum
Correct.
Yes, Maynard had a responsibility to soften the contact having been the cause of the contact in the first place..
Thats the problem. He braced for contact. Then shoulder contacts hits the head. Why didn't he just stiff arm Bradshaws chest instead. He would have a better chance and excuse to say he tried to avoid serious contact. Time to brace.. yes. Time to put arms out in front...yes. he should be gone.
I couldn't agree more! Jumping to smother was fine, tucking in and shouldering instead of putting his arms out to reduce the impact is the damaging, reportable, and suspendable bit.
Well melb are soft it showed v Carlton
With Browny on this one, if Brayshaw were a teammate Maynard easily, easily finds another way to make contact with the player with less impact. No questions asked. Put it this way (hypothetical), if Maynard knew he was going to knock him out mid air, he changes the way he braces. The question that is more important is; is the health (head) of the player more important than feeling sorry for a player that 'unfortunately' KO'd another bloke? The game has and is changing before our eyes, you see both sides however going back to Nathan Brown's comment, 'Avoid the head at all costs' is the ultimatum. Just my thoughts on this
I know this has been said and done already but the Maynard teammate thing is basically pointless because why would he even attempt to smother his own teammate? He also had a split second to react so there wasn’t much he could’ve done
@@RBoy12Gamer scratch match. Yeah we can agree to disagree, I personally think if I was in that position I could have done something about it, so therefore I think ole mate could have also.
It was not a marking contest like Lynch‘s case. Poor comparison from Kane Cornes.
Maynard had no reason to jump off the ground other than trying to blocking the kick. However, Maynard was not jumping upward but instead jumping forward.
Brickshaw was the ball carrier, Maynard had a few legal options to defend but not hiting Brickshaw on the head after he disposed the ball.
Maynard is definitely at fault.
No reason to jump, other than doing his job…
It's a split second thing, with no malice, and at worst an unconscious error by Maynard. The game of Aussie Rules is full of them, and the code is by nature dangerous for all players. The AFL is trying to make it less so, but there will always be risks because players have to throw their bodies around to effect tackle and in this case, smother the ball. Who is to blame if two players launch themselves simultaneously into the air, and one of them realizes a collusion is imminent and covers up? Unfortunately for both, it's part of the game.
Only 1 player launched himself and it wasn't Brayshaw
Lozza the bozza
@@stevelozevski8151Are you not allowed to jump to smother?
Of course you can jump to smother, but you need to make contact with the ball not plant your shoulder into the kickers head. It’s not intentional but careless.
@@stevelozevski8151what would you suggest players do after being in the air for 2 seconds when coming down onto a player without also injuring themselves?
I barrack for Melbourne. Nothing in it. He has to be able to protect himself.
From what? Brayshaws face is a deadly weapon is it
What's worse, one unconcious player or two unconcious players
Maybe jumping AT someone runs the risk that you might hit them on the way back down.
Collingwood, Collingwood, Collingwood. ⚫⚪⚫⚪
@@amunt3rhaven’t played the game have you?
I like Lloydy but that’s a lazy hypothetical. If you’ve got arms out they’re going to be straight in front not flopping all over the place like a Michelin man. It’s pretty reasonable to expect given Maynard was smothering. Arms/shoulders would absorb the majority of the initial impact force making a double KO ridiculously unlikely even if there was a small head collision after that. Don’t know how you just assume that it’ll be direct head on head.
If we are going to start suspending players for trying to smother the ball and making contact with a player.Then lets get rid of jumping up for a mark because you might clean up a player or jumping on another players shoulders because your knee could make contact with someone's head.stop running back with the flight of the ball because it's dangerous.the hell with it just stop playing footy altogether because going out there week by week puts you in harms way.
It really is becoming a joke.
I'm ok with suspending a player that goes out there to deliberately hurt another player but suspending someone for a football act is not fare.Lets hope the afl get this right.
But he did jump, is Kane watching different vision?
He jumped to try to intercept the ball. That is the difference. Last year,Cripps jumped off the ground purely to bump Ah Chee.
@@johnasker7684 But Kane said he didn't jump. I wasn't questioning his motives for jumping, but he did jump. Disclaimer: I do not support either side. I also have no interest on whether he gets suspended or not.
@@johnasker7684last year shouldn’t be used as this year, tightened up in these hits this year and even last year cripps shouldn’t have gotten away with that, most likely did bc he’s the captain and most popular bloke in arguably second most followed team
although maynard didn’t intend to knock the bloke out i see a lot of ppl saying he couldn’t do anything in mid air. i think that’s something to be argued bc it is that precise decision in mid air where u can’t move that although he was trying to smother, maynard would have no control of the situation and has ended up possibly ending the blokes career. i know they want to look at intention over outcome looking at mccartins incident r23 but he’s chosen to jump up, with that decision removing control i feel the situation is in that players responsibility as they chose to jump losing control of the situation
He had time to put the shoulder in, instead of reducing the impact with a fend off.
@@annpeerkat2020wouldn't a fend-off be a forearm? Do you think that would be better than what he did? It seems some people are expecting that Maynard should have opened himself up to broken ribs for the sake of saving the other person.
your fendoffs might mean a forerarm... I guess that might say a bit about you.
As someone else said.... if it was a collingwood player's head he was about to hit, he'd have done things very differently.
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@@bowks1o_o669 couldn’t he have put his arms in front of him not absorbed the hit with his chest then
@@mmmmmm-ry1nq He actually did. If you look at the ground-level vision you will see that both arms were extended outward on initial contact. Because of the angle they collided, his left arm just glanced Brayshaw's right arm and slipped passed, with Maynard's right hand and arm hitting the right side of Brayshaw's chest and arm. This has bent Maynard's right arm in and basically perfectly lined up Maynard's shoulder with Brayshaw's head.
If you watch the incident Maynard is not directly in line with Brayshaw, his right shoulder is actually in line in Brayshaws head and what do you know, Maynard turns his right shoulder into Brayshaws head.
NBA players are able to run at a jump shooter, jump to contest the shot and contort their body in mid air to avoid contact and subsequently avoid fouling the shooter numerous times a game, thousands of times a season. Maynard could have turned his body the other way and at least tried to avoid contact. If it was Pendlebury kicking it, im sure he would have at least tried to avoid head contact and shown a duty of care to the opponent. Which is what it comes down to these days.
He rolled his shoulder into his head. Could had landed on him front on.
Dirty player
Your opinion dude lololololol and you are obviously a Collingwood hater so suffer as Maynard will get off.
You keep sprouting nonsense and girly lolling... is that a collingwood thing, or just you paully lolly? @@paulkyriakopoulos3444
Kane, "anyone who doesn't agree with me has never played the game." By the old standards of course that is play on, but we are not playing by the old standards. Maynard is a great player, but he sprinted as hard as he could, launched himself through the air like a torpedo straight at Brayshaw, landed on top of him recklessly and knocked him out.
And he was on TV the day before virtually warning Melbourne players to watch out for him !!!!!!!
Ko no weeks
Absolutely
1. The footy action argument is rubbish - tackling is a footy action but do it wrong you get suspended.
2. The AFL all year has said if you choose a course of action and hit the head it is your responsibility so you are gone.
3. Media pathetic - if this was May taking out Daicos their reaction would be totally different.
Absolutely corrrect make the wrong call and you hurt another player you’re done !!!!
100% agree well said but because it's Collingwood he will get off
I agree. Footage from directly behind shows him going for the player not the ball.
The business of sport
Gone are the days in sport when high-risk on-field actions could be defended on the grounds they were simply “part of the game”. Sport is well and truly a business, and managers have a legal duty of care for employees and are expected to be proactive in preventing injury in the workplace.
I wonder what all the Collingwood fans would say if it was Toby Green doing the same thing to one of the Daicos brothers ?
I think he could have not lead with his shoulder. Split second decision, but he made the wrong one. He will get suspended, then it will be appealed and collingwood's lawyers will get him off.
He didn't lead with anything, he turned to brace for impact while he was alread in mid-air.
1 week get on with it
all players have a duty of care to others not to expose each other to potentially serious harm... Maynard is a thug and always has been... he knew heavy frontal contact was imminent and chose to shoulder up at neck/head height... don't care what team, he should've been kicked back to VFA level until he learns his place... AFL doesn't need a thug like him.
With a Wakelin on the tribunal he is definetley going to get off lol
It was a reckless attempt to launch himself like that towards Brayshaw- it may not have been intentional but he had very little to no control over himself in that situation and Brayshaw paid the price for that. Maynard should be hit with at least a game ban.
He launched himself at the ball, not Brayshaw. He tried to smother.
@@rhysh2639 it’s the uncontrolled part of the launching that was the issue not whether he was launching himself at the ball or not. He put another player in danger and ended up knocking him out, pretty simple.
Tribunal made a bad call overturning that in my view (so much for all this talk about protecting the head) but it is what it is.
@@pauldoherty6413 I feel the correct decision was made. It was a desperate attempt at trying to smother the ball. Players are taught when they first start playing the game to "go for the footy". Footy is a fast-paced game and finals are high-pressure and high-intensity. There's not much time to think. All Maynard tried to do was attack the footy, it just wouldn't be fair to rub him out for something that happened accidentally.
Had Maynard chose to stand still and not do what he did, he would've received criticism for not trying hard enough. It was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Everybody is playing to keep their spot in the side and to keep their premiership hopes alive.
Brayshaw getting knocked out was purely accidental, yet unfortunate.
The AFL can only do so much to "protect the head" but unfortunately due to the nature of the sport, hits to the head are inevitable.
Ultimately the decision is up to Brayshaw, whether he's willing to take the risk and continue playing. He as a professional footballer should know that concussions are sometimes unavoidable in football.
@@rhysh2639 again the fact he tried to smother the ball isn’t really the point, it’s the fashion he attempted the smother. Reckless and put Brayshaw in a vulnerable position as he had no chance of protecting himself. He could easily have attempted a smother without launching himself up and forward as he did in that situation, it was a pretty stupid thing to do. Fair enough a lot of players do stupid things in the moment without much thought but when it leads to another player being knocked out (especially when the AFL go on about head protection) there should be an appropriate punishment.
It wasn’t unavoidable, had he attempted the smother in a different and normal/safer fashion it would’ve been avoided. There’s a difference between being totally committed and aggressive and being reckless and stupid.
Agree to disagree I suppose but wrong outcome for me 👍
cant believe i agree with Cornes, but only people who think Maynard did anything wrong never played. and I hate Collingwood
Yes it is. 2 weeks be perfect
It will come down to, are we protecting the player or protecting the game. This is a footy action
I'm with brayden on this, this shouldn't have even been referred. He may think he was blocked in our eagles win in 2018, but there is no way he should be suspended. I actually feel for him having to look like such a bad guy when all he did was play the game.
So players can’t dive at an opponent’s legs to smother the ball otherwise he gets penalised for collecting the legs; fair enough.
But then it’s ok to jump into an opponent’s head to make that same smother?
When can argue all we like about Maynard trying to protect himself with his shoulder, but jumping at an opponent isn’t a reasonable smothering technique to begin with.
You didn't notice Brayshaw changed direction after he kicked the ball?
This incident is unprecedented, so it would be incredibly unfair to punish Maynard for attempting a smother. Perhaps a rule change is needed in which you can only leap vertically to smother. It took Rohan getting his leg broken to make that rule. Would it have been fair to punish the guy who did that before the action was outlawed? Of course not.
Regardless of how this case goes through the tribunal what concerns me is the hypocrisy these AFL heads seem to marinate in. There main concern is injuries to the head and rightly so but what about the "screamer" when a player flies through the air hits the shoulder or cannons their knee(s) into the back of another players skull! Nothing, oh it's part of the game but it doesn't change the potential of serious injury! Ask a kickboxer or an MMA fighter what damage a knee can do. These AFL squareheads need to understand that there are risks within the game and that's the punt players take when playing the game.
I often disagree with Kane but on this he a absolutely right anyone who thinks different either goes for Melbourne or hates Collingwood
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In the slo-mo of Grayshaw running towards the camera, as soon as he kicks the ball his body veers to the right, towards Maynard (unfortunately). I think this is an important piece to the puzzle. It was just the way his body moved in the momentum of the moment, but it contributed to the head contact.
The Van Rooyen was worse than Maynard
That's what I thought one knows he hit him one didn't know till out cold ❄
I loathe Collingwood and Maynard , but He should get off this ridiculous charge . You can't change direction in mid air , and are entitled to protect both yourself and the other player .
Yet, somehow he did change direction - straight into Brayshaw's head. Are you blind?
Nah missed head ....lucky.
@@stevesalkas9128 So he got knocked out and concussed because of ...what? You get concussion from hits to the head. Maybe anatomy isn't your forte. Or maybe it's to do with your one eyed eyesight????
Nathan Brown the only one with the balls to call this one out.
Brayden Maynard' headbutt on Viney....Please explain....
Nothing in it
He smelt nice
The cornado corn kanes is right for once
Deliberate malice has nothing to do with it. He ran past the ball and knocked a bloke out. The duty of care lies with the player running past the ball and making contact to the head. If he gets off, the AFL’s “we must protect the head” mantra is a joke.
He didn't run past the ball though. He had eyes for nothing but the ball.
If he gets off for that then l can't see how anyone else could get suspended for head high contact.
Uh maybe he could try not shouldering him in the face ?
Goodwin didn't see the arm to jaw .. why
All these people saying “it was a footy act” don’t know what they are talking about. A hip and shoulder or bump is a footy but if you choose to do that and hit someone high and concuss them then you face the consequences. Going off what they are trying to protect this year which is head knocks, he should get suspended unfortunately for him. He was better off landing on brayshaw and giving away a downfield than turn his body and hit him in the face with his shoulder. At the end of the day a player was stretchered off and didn’t come back on
You sound like someone who never played the game 😉
@@frustralia4293 I’ve played a lot haha if you ask me I hate how soft the game is now. I wish I was born earlier so I could’ve experienced the 80s footy. I think while their are sports like ufc and boxing it’s crazy how we are destroying our sport trying to stop these things happening when those other sports don’t change at all. But since their are rules to avoid concussions, then these new rules says he gets suspended
It’s in the rules if you bump and hit someone in the head you’re responsible it’s in the rules if you tackle someone and sling them to the ground and they hit their head you’re responsible it’s not in the rules that if you attempt to smother and you hit them in the head you’re responsible until they put that into the rule book it’s not a automatic suspension that’s why The MRO decided he had no case to answer it was the AFL that put it to the tribunal as they are the only ones that can make up rules as they go along if they want to change the rules fine but you can’t change the rules after the offence has been committed
@@artefactsbubble3742 it’s not in the rules that say he should be suspended the MRO said he had no case to answer it was the AFL That overruled the MRO and put it to the tribunal because they’re worried about lawsuits coming from concussion victims
How is an attempted smother not a footy act? He wasn't going for the player. He was going for the ball - it was totally accidental. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea about football.
Maynard could of bumped softer, instead he turned to make the bump harder. Brayshaw was very vulnerable. I am a Collingwood supporter but feel 1 or 2 weeks should apply.
Maynard can't halt his momentum nor can he change his trajectory mid-flight. He made a split-second decision to brace for impact rather than leave himself wide open.
@@Bubba__Sawyer agree
Its a bit generous to call it a spoil. It was an aggressive taking space to make the entry less direct prior to the disposal. In the end he just launched at the player. In the end Brayshaw was just taking a kick in open play and got knocked out
McStay has a hard head, so Van Royen only gets a week? Brayshaw has a glass jaw, Maynard gets three? That’s a dumb system.
Wind knocks Brayshaw out some players are tuff some not and has bad knock.out record that would help the out cold
don’t think roos hit had nearly as much impact as maynard’s
@@mmmmmm-ry1nq there are a dozen collisions each game with the force of Maynard/Brayshaw. Brayshaw just has a glass jaw (not his fault or a knock on him, just how it is). Van Rooyen ran past the ball and hit McStay flush in the jaw. One was a footy incident, one was a cheap shot.
Jakob Ryan got concussed when he sat under hhigh ball waiting for a mark. Do we ban high marks because there a chance someone will get the head rattled? Things happen due to height differential. Lets say Maynard and another player are flying for a nark, coming from opposite directions. He elevates himself early and collides with the head of the opponent. Could he be reported for that? It mihht even be cotaeral damage.
the evidence shows from other events this year is that he should not be suspended.
Show us the rule that says it's legal to plant a shoulder into someone's head
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So anyone can now attempt to smother, miss the ball, knock out the kicker and all is fine?
@@abrooks yes
@@stevelozevski8151 show us the rules where it says u can’t attempt to block the ball
Each time something happens people forget it’s footy.
Each time this happens people try and find excuses when people are knocked out why the player shouldn't be rubbed out.
@@GDM22Because it's the action that should be judged, not the outcome.
Gone are the days in sport when high-risk on-field actions could be defended on the grounds they were simply “part of the game”. Sport is well and truly a business, and managers have a legal duty of care for employees and are expected to be proactive in preventing injury in the workplace.
Yes, and his action was reckless that risked a damaging collision. He has a duty of care under the rules.
Here is where the AFL needs to align themselves with every other body contact sport . Bring in the bunker and yellow and red cards . If a player is severely hurt let the bunker decide, if the actions of the opposition player is worth a yellow or red card. And if a player is given yellow or red , it should be yellow 10 mins , red gone for the game and he cannot be replaced
This is a joke, what was Maynard supposed to do? React within a split second and magically stop himself in mid-air?
Or should he have made a split second decision to just stand there and not even attempt to smother at all in the first place?
Players are told at a very young age to "go for the footy", which is exactly what Maynard did....unfortunately he just so happened to collide with Brayshaw's head. It was an unfortunate and unlucky incident.
It's all part of the game, it's a contact sport. These things happen.
If you're too worried about head-knocks; don't play the game!
Launching yourself several meters forward through the air towards the on coming player is not a standard smother and just like the sling tackle earlier in the year it should be penalised out of the game lest an even worse head injury occurs. This was a footy action but performed in a non standard and unprecedetedly dangerous way that abandoned all duty of care to the other player.
This incident is unprecedented, so it would be incredibly unfair to punish Maynard for attempting a smother. Perhaps a rule change is needed in which you can only leap vertically to smother.
@@Bubba__Sawyer in what universe does anyone need to be told or even worse have a special rule brought in to tell you that launching yourself into the air head on at a player coming the other way is incredibly dangerous and should never be done. Its unprecedented because precisely everyone else has understood that duty of care and not done it but Maynard chose doing an extreme act in an extreme desire to win at all costs.
You sound like someone who's never played
@@frustralia4293 on the contrary, I have but I also instruct another sport where head contact may occurr and since the mid 1990s I have been ruthless in getting members to avoid head contact because the preliminary evidence about the dangers of head trauma were already there even if the afl and others largely ignored them for another 15 or more years. Earlier this year the league did crack down on sling tackles that were football actions but potentially dangerous ones and now players have adapted and tackles rarely result in heads banging the ground. Maynard needs to be penalised because he didnt show enough duty of care in the way he smothered which I have never seen another player do plus a message needs to be sent to everybody else just as it was with sling tackles which had been legal football actions for years
@@georgecav it's people like you who ruin this great sport
my gut instinct is that he will be suspended, not cos he knocked someone out, but because this type of footballer is despised by the afl pencil pushers, hes an alpha, cant have that.
bahahaha u just used a guy who picks fights and knocked a bloke out in a ball sport an “alpha”
a batsmen has to see a cricket ball, decide which shot and execute shot in less time than 0.58 secs. baseball players even less. that is a long time in pro sport. he led with the shoulder
A batsman practices the same action hundreds of thousands of times to react in that time - absoulutely irrelevant. And how many baseballers can avoid the ball aimed at the head.
Play it in real time bud.
He jumped with his arms in the air. What were you watching?
You're using another sport as an example. You don't understand the game. Stick to cricket & croquet mate.
I was at the game and collingwood fans chanting "Maynard" and "Collingwood" while Braysahw lay on the ground out cold, is the dirtiest thing I have ever seen in any code of football.
I saw West Coast fans booing an opposition player being stretchered off the ground because the umpires paid a high contact free. The Collingwood fans, while being complete arseholes are amateur in comparison
Because they were trying to support their player who didn't do anything wrong. If the collingwood fans let the melbourne fans boo maynard all day then i can guarantee you the result of the game would of gone Melbourne's way.
@@thesecretwombat056 he did everything wrong. all he had to do was put up his hands and ease the impact but he deliberately went for a shoulder to the face.
@@Zenrising_YTCM_President Lets not forget that Brayshaw also leaned/veared into maynards path, maynard has to protect himself at first which he did legally by turning his body. would you prefer he leave himself open and they both get hurt?
Maynard come down with intention to use his shoulder in full force if you can’t see that you probably haven’t played the game
Maynard was attempting a smother, not a bump. He can't halt his momentum nor can he change his trajectory mid-flight. He made a split-second decision to brace for impact rather than leave himself wide open.
Agree.
Browny is spot on, if theres a teammate underneath him no way he tucks his shoulder like that
Having been the cause of the collision the responsibility falls on Maynard to prevent or soften the effects, not just to protect himself. He sought to smother or touch the football and yet he knocked out the the oncoming player, for which he has to take responsibility.
I think the problem may be is that he did leave the ground and he jumped forward into him. Just a thought no idea how the tribunal thinks these days
probably the only good take from kane kornes
If a player gets 3+ matches for an accident in a footballing act and another (van Rooyen) gets 1 match for intentionally hitting a player in the head, then the AFL has truly lost the plot, which we know they have.
Game will be gone by 2030 tassie don't bother
that lynch incident is totally different, they were jumping into a contest
maynard WAS NOT
Lloydy brings a rational and calm perspective
I agree he leaves the politics and emotions out and just deals in facts
Careless and high.🤬🙄
If Maynard gets a week than than the precedent has been set, when you spoil you jump up and charge at the individual.
Lets not forget Sicily got three weeks for tackle of the year and got a free kick at the time 😮
Viscous tackle should have got four weeks.
Far out Nathan. You have played the game. Stop trying to be a media person and trying to invent drama.
Also its not like a player will ever run towards a teammate to smother the ball.
3 weeks, then 2 after appeal. And some commenters need to stop trying to put the onus on the victim here.
it’s a reportable offence which means 3+
Cam Rayner often injures opponents with his ruthless knee involving marking antics but never a word said
Pickett, premeditated flying missile. remember that Goodie.
Perhaps if you decide to run & jump directly in line with an incoming player who’s in possession of the ball, you have acted recklessly/carelessly and you need to accept the consequences of the collision.
If this incident happened in under 12’s we surely wouldn’t accept it as a football act. The player (Maynard) has acted carelessly or recklessly hence a player is unconscious.
Brayshaw changed direction after he kicked the ball. Did you miss that bit?
He literally just kicked the ball and got balanced for a split second before he was crunched
@@DanielReed-vv2bk Okay then, until that's a rule then you suspend a player for it. I'd be more than happy with a new rule in 2024 where you can only leap vertically to smother.
I’ve witnessed many attempted smothers whilst running and jumping forward. In this scenario the player generally doesn’t over commit and land on top of the kicker.
Again Cornes re-interprets what was said. Where did Goodwin say anything about deliberate? Never did, but Cornes being the flog he is likes to put in words that were not said and make up a story. Fact of the matter is that during the week there was mouthing off about what would be done to Melbourne players, that transpired into action before the ball was bounced. This then resulted in a rush of blood, getting carried away a bit too much with the resultant clash. Not saying it was deliberate, but it was a tad reckless due to getting a bit too carried away. Not the first time this has happened and nor will it be the last.
As a lions fan I would love to see him out,but in all seriousness I agree he shouldn't be suspended. It would be unfair it was just an unfortunate accident.
I wonna know what melb fans say if other way around
Well as a tiger fan I'd be flabbergasted if you don't make the grand final. Lions looking real good.
Dangerfield on valstuin 2020 grand final
Maynard deserves two weeks for deliberately knocking a bloke out cold
Stupid comment dude. It was a football action but I ain't gonna waste my time to explain because I know you are just a Collingwood hater dude lololololol.
A football action bracing the shoulder and hitting another player in the head with it. Welcome back to the 70s. @@paulkyriakopoulos3444 PS... lovely girly lols.
All toxic comments rn are just Melbourne fans 😂
And everyone defending him are toxic collispud supporters
@@stevelozevski8151 no
@@stevelozevski8151 I have seen freo, Richmond , hawk and port supporters all saying it’s not a suspension
No they aren’t. He ran past the ball and knocked a bloke out. Mandatory three weeks. And you know the way the AFL thinks about these things. They worry little Johnny in the under 13s will do the same thing and the mum of the kid he bowls over will ban her kid from playing. Junior leagues are struggling for players as it is.
@@petersanders2815 what are u even yapping about lol 😂
Goodwin is such a flog
I saw buckley raise this in the sen show he and kane do... good to see kane stealing buckleys points and taking it as his own on a diffrent show! Poor effort kane- poor effort
suspend him for the head butt no one is talking about the headbutt crazy!! maynard 2 weeks for head butting
I hate Collingwood with a passion but if Maynard gets suspended for that - The AFL is dead
Quite clearly a lot of people do not understand the seriousness of taking action to prevent head-high injuries. If players to do not change their behaviour the AFL will be swamped with claims for millions of dollars by players with future brain and mental injuries.
It's already starting pricers rules ect ....
@@snoopy7690 play marble if scared getting hurt there choice
@@stevesalkas9128u don’t sign up for afl and be expected to take hits like this, hard hits can happen in almost any job given circumstances this is not a normal circumstance in the afl
Maynard should get off, but how can Cornes complain about Martin getting 2 weeks when he had a swinging arm that landed flush on the jaw? In Rugby League he'd cop 4 weeks for that. He was lucky he didn't knock Blakey out or break his jaw.
When the running Maynard jumped to spoil the ball, he raised both hands simultaneously upwards. Raising the hands this way means that at the time of leaving contact with the ground, there is no backward swing of an arm to balance the forward swing of the opposite leg (the leg which made last contact with the ground). This meant Maynard left the ground with a rotational force, and it is this that turned Maynard's shoulders while airborne. (If you observe long jump athletes, when they jump, the foot that makes the leap is on the opposite side to the backward direction of the arm movement -- this is to offset the push of the jumping leg.)
The other point is Maynard instinctively bent sideways at the waist in a subconscious attempt to avoid head collision. This, in combination with the rotation described earlier, makes it appear he turned his shoulder into Brayshaw.
It is a bit more complex than the description, but is the general idea.
Maynards actions ended a players finals series. Lynch was in a pack during a marking contest.
No player goes to knock a player out but Maynard knew the risks when jumping. Sorry, deserves weeks. Otherwise every player will just jump in the air to hurt and use the "i was in the air" excuse.
They’ve been doing that for a while now. The claim is always ‘football act’ and ‘split second decision’. It’s complete rubbish. Own your actions. Cop the weeks.
Nick daicos got his knee cap fractured by the hawk player. He didn't get suspended for that
@@SV0747 Because that was during a legal tackle. Maynard chose to launch at another player.
@@azzaprime7257 legal smother?
@@SV0747 Shoulder to the head is a bump not a smother.
He made contact with the ball.
Get real, Maynard put his shoulder into his face...its carless, high and server impact...goodbyee Maynard....
It's easy to watch something in slow-motion as an armchair critic and assume that Maynard had all the time in the world to move his body in a different direction.
It's a joke if he gets suspended for this. Suspension is tool to discipline a player for intentionally doing something wrong.
Maynard went for the footy and then instinctively braced himself for impact, as he cannot just drop out of mid-air.
It could have gone the other way as well were Maynard could have been knocked out .Is that a accident ? OR is it part of the game?
Exactly. With mid-air collisions, there's only inches in it. A slghtly different action from Maynard or Brayshaw and it could've been Maynard that came off 2nd best. What it Bruzzy kept his hands up and it was Brayshaw who turned his shoulder into Maynard's head? It easily could've gone that way.
@@Bubba__Sawyerthen brayshaw elected to bump and we’re in the same conversation?
@@mmmmmm-ry1nqBracing for impact is not electing to bump.
Great point from Browny. If it was a team mate he was coming down on, would he have turned his shoulder into their head?
He needed to turn , he isn’t going to hit him front on and both be knocked out .
Kane is wrong on this one. IT IS A REPORTABLE INCIDENT. Maynard is responsible for his actions, regardless of the intent. He made the decision to jump, he tucked his shoulder and coincidentally hit brayshaw in the head and knocks him out. Every person defending maynard has no brain between the ears.
They guy with the long history of concussion problems is also an issue. He wears the helmet for a reason and was almost knocked out 2 minutes earlier.
It may or may not have KO'd a different player.... but a few of them would likely turn another player into a helmet wearer for the same reason. @@StevenCousley
You'd be right if he ran past the contest and elected to bump, but that's not the case here. A smother is a football action. Once he's leapt in the air, he can't halt his momentum or change trajectory. He made a split-second decision while in midair to brace for impact. Accidents happen in a physical game. Punishing Maynard for performing an action that the rulebook allows accomplishes nothing. Make a new rule in 2024 that you can only leap vertically in the air to smother. Until then, Bruzzy walks.
You sound like someone who never played the game 😉
I could have been avoided by not going for the smother so aggressively and carelessly. Anyone that disagrees should open up their bank account for the future compo claims
Well, too bad there's no rule about going for smothers aggressively. You can't invent a new rule after the fact to punish a player. Perhaps we need a new rule in 2024 that you can only jump vertically to smother. Until then, this was an accident that occured during a football action.
I can’t stand Collingwood and would be happy for them to lose a player but not this way…Teammates have knocked each other out before.. should that be a reportable offence? This is strange..
It's almost like a panel of Victorians
As a Collingwood supporter when I heard Simon Goodwin post match I was shaking My head thinking, he was making it worse with his comments.
Can't be any worse than planting a shoulder into someone's head
Simon Goodwin is just upset because his team is a one hit wonder and he knows he will never see another premiership for Melbourne. COLLINGWOOD! 🤣 ⚪⚫
@@jajsjfje2335 have you actually watched your team win a premiership?
Simon Goodwin is a known drug abuser and was clearly still on something at that presser
@@stevelozevski8151 yes I have. Have you? Oh wait that's right, it happened in Perth and no one in Melbourne could've gone. Besides that one Melbourne fan that got caught after the game and went to prison for 8 months and got raped in there and bashed several times. I wonder if it was worth it for him? Lol 🤣 COLLINGWOOD ⚫⚪
Feel for Brayshaw, but it was a footy act that Maynard had no intent to concuss Brayshaw.
Doesn’t matter. He did. That’s why it’s graded careless not intentional
@@worker-wf2em but he showed care 😂