I'm not sure why, but I can't shake the feeling that Crowder has rejected her in some way- maybe he's been cold to her public flirtations and she's come off feeling humiliated. She's a very attractive woman, and can often be playfully seductive, and would be used to men being "cuntstruck". Crowder, always playing the righteous Christian husband, being a virgin till marriage, only having eyes for his wife- he probably iced her and now she must destroy him bwahahahaha
@Thrash Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say in his announcement vid about the divorce that he didn't want the divorce in the first place and that he still loved her? Honestly, I'm asking.
Yeah. This actually happened to me. My wife Told me horrible things she did and said I couldn't do anything about it, cause she is pregnant with my children. But she loved me... No, but seriously this situation happened to my dad. so how about people stfu and stop pretending they know what they would do when they don't know the context of their relationship.
@@charlesfinland7788 No he said he doesn't believe in divorce. not that he still loved her. Basically it goes like this. They believe u sign a contract, a bond, that can't be broken unless death, etc. Therefor, it is about working on it etc no matter what and sticking together for family sake and because its your duty to follow through with your agreement.
Destiny probably had fights with Melina where if it were clipped and leaked out, it could look very bad. It's not difficult to look at the situation from that perspective unless you've never been in a long relationship or too bias causing mental block.
I get Destiny point to wait for more information on stories but his "maybe his wife is lazy and refuses to clean the house therefore this justifies his behaviour" is a dunb argument
She had a miscairrage prior to this pregnancy and anyone who has gone through a pregnancy loss knows you are hypervigilant and paranoid about anything that could be risky. My guess is that she was avoiding many tasks and being high risk she would have had physical restrictions. Yes this probably put an extra burden on him for chores. I think every couple who has had to deal with risky pregnancy and losses knows you just suck it up. It is temporary. If it was that much of a burden for him he could afford to get her some help.
@@blazikenowen What does that have to do with anything that was mentioned? He had chest surgery after this I believe, it's not like he was recovering from it actively during the time the video was recorded. Address what was said
Its funny cause Destiny is like “He might be on heart medication because he had heart surgery”. Literally speculating and doing the same shit everyone is doing just from the other side.
@@dreadheadedguardian what is there to address? the fact that we don't see evidence of him claiming "he will fuck her up" and him actively saying he can't see people or talk to them and her acting like hes abusing her? you do realize she had probably been planning to divorce him right? because considering she leaked this theres a chance that she had been acting for the camera and playing him like a fiddle even if he hadn't abused her at all if hes had surgery can't sort the dogs and shes literally just being lazy of course hes going to tell her to sort out the dogs because he can't physically do it and he got sick of her being lazy obviously we have no proof of anything other then a ring video but lets be honest hes not emotionally abusing his wife in the video and him not letting her take there only car isn't abuse or isolating infact her taking a uber or taxi would be safer then her driving especially considering she ended up giving birth early what would happen if she had drove and ended up in labour during driving then crashed? he would get the blame for letting her drive he was in a situation where he lost either way if he doesn't give her the car its "abuse" if he does and she dies in a car crash he shouldn't of let her take the car fact is one video of them arguing does not prove emotional abuse or that he had been emotionally abusive for years and it shouldn't be deemed like its absolute truth anyone can act especially when they have planned a divorce and want to make the other person out as the villian so they get a bigger pay out
1:09:49 L for destiny here. Saying crowder cant take an uber because he has heart surgery next month and could get covid, but somehow she cant get covid from an uber and infect him.
Yeah that's where I was like Destiny is being disingenuous now. Aba is correct with and somehow Having a heart surgery in the future somehow trumps the needs of a pregnant woman at present. Like WTF
@@kevincola3184haha I watch some of both destiny and Crowder, funny you mentioned that. Both have their imperfections but they're also both entertaining and make some decent points.
Destiny gets stuck in sounding like the ultimate skeptic position here, to the point where it sounds like he is assuming as much as anyone else. He needs to calm down and make sure all his points reflect that, instead of getting into shouting matches and sounding unhinged.
One hundred percent. It seems like if someone was even prefacing a statement with "probably" or "it seems like" that his reflexive response is "You dont KNOW!" which by that logic, I don't know how he can ever say anything about anyone's relationship dynamics ever.
This was such a frustrating listen. Destiny’s thesis is correct (be careful about assumptions from a 3min video) but he dug in his heels so hard against making any assumption/possibility that it made him look unreasonable. A few of my contentions with this conversation: I think someone finally said this at the end, but it seems very likely that Crowder’s wife was just trying to leave the situation because she was upset. (I have similar reactions when I’m in a fight-I just need to go drive/walk somewhere and cool down). Going to the store is an excuse. Does a pregnant woman want to be hauling bags of wood pellets? No, but it’s better than being at home. Is walking dogs more strenuous than the store? It depends. Maybe the dog pulls and she’s afraid of falling. Maybe the dog needs a 2 mi walk to burn off energy. Maybe squatting to pick up dog shit is really hard with a giant belly in front of her. In comparison, strolling around a store with a cart might be way easier. And undoubtedly, being pregnant in your mid 30s with twins when you’ve miscarried before is a different story than a first-time low-risk single pregnancy in your 20s, and acknowledging that is not treating a woman like a “r******* child”. Yes, a lot of women work until late in pregnancy because they don’t have a choice-it’s still uncomfortable, especially in the final weeks when it’s harder to sleep, babies are consuming more nutrients/oxygen, your organs are crushed, and your ligaments are softening to make way for labor. That’s not to say that all pregnant women are completely incapacitated and need bed rest for the last 2 months. It’s to say that we rightly should give them some extra grace and kindness for that temporary time because they’re likely exhausted and uncomfortable with little relief. Giving dogs medication can suck even if the medication ISN’T harmful to pregnant women. I have to get on the floor and hold my dog’s mouth closed so she swallows a pill. But there are a lot of human and animal meds that can cause fetal issues if handled. This is not super uncommon or unthinkable at all. When I worked in a pharmacy there were common prescriptions that I was advised to not count/bag if it was possible I was pregnant (and we didn’t touch the pills by hand).
Thank you. My thoughts exactly. Pregnant women are advised to not handle typical cleaning products without being in full hazmat gear, so Steven is way off here. And I agree she was absolutely trying to get some space and sincs he was complaining she wasn't getting him what he needed, she might as well to help ease things
What? She could literally just go anywhere on an Uber why does she need to take the car groceries. You guys can’t just keep making assumptions and assume that’s why there’s sufficient proof that this video shows crowder is an abuser
Holy shit thank you, Destiny has an L take here. It's not unreasonable to make certain assumptions. If all Destiny said was "maybe you're right, I guess we'll see when more information comes out" instead he's defending crowder to the death over nonsense. Isn't Destiny also a huge proponent to Occam's razor? What's more likely, the wife is trying to get out of a seemingly toxic situation and is probably not comfortable giving medication to a dog and would rather do some light grocery shopping? Or she's a master manipulator?
@@draszi That was already Destiny's take. Stardust came in to argue why Steven was FOR SURE abusive and there was no other way to view the video. He dug in his heels because everyone else was making assumptions to further their points instead of saying "He seems abusive, but let's see if there is other evidence before we make these claims"
@@elfboy676 Maybe I misinterpreted it but that's now how I took it. I think stardust was complaining that destiny was taking no stance and was saying it was equally possible that there was some background where it would make the wife to be some lazy bitch or just as culpable. I think it's fair to assume that the woman is probably more likely to be correct in this SPECIFIC instance
the reason why twins are on average delivered early is not because they just go into pregnancy early, its usually because a combination of factors like the mother's blood pressure or one of the twins not getting enough nutrition. a lot of times twins are delivered early and one of them is like 6 lbs and the other one is like 4 lbs.
This is wrong, preterm labor and subsequent delivery IS the most common complication in twin gestations. An ob might induce labor in preterm period for gestational or chronic hypertension but that's not the point you are trying to make
True . My twin almost died at birth and like couldn't breath on his own for years during the night . Apparently my mom was scared every night that my twin would just not wake up .we were both very small Apparently and delivered very early. My mom worked until the day she gave birth
I think Destiny is always going to have this issue with bridge burning as long as he does this thing where he doubles down on something that he knows people inherently get passionate about, and insults, minimizes, and strawmans his friends and orbiters arguments. When Aba hopped on, and Destiny made the crying white woman crack -- he knows that's not a thing for Aba, but he said it anyway, to dismiss his argument. I can see how people would get tired of someone acting like he's the rational one, while being deliberately obtuse about why people are saying what they're saying. I believe Destiny is right about the video, regarding not coming to a definite conclusion, but getting mad at people who do, while insulting them, will wear thin on most people. And I think the disconnect comes when people insult him about specific things, they don't think it's a big deal, because most people don't separate their emotional responses when it comes to what is fair game for someone to insult you about. I don't know. Something like that.
Dan said it best when he called him Obtuse. Him ranting about what pregnancy is like. There is so much you aren't supposed to when you're pregnant and breastfeeding, it completely changes the way you live. It's a sacrifice, you sound so dumb arguing over chores.
I don’t know if the redpill is just rotting men’s brains or what, but when my wife was 8 months pregnant I was happily doing stuff for her, because I love her and that’s the nice thing to do
Not to mention how pregnancies can differ greatly from woman to woman and pregnancy to pregnancy. You could cite your own experience to shoot down someone making outrageous claims, sure. But it doesn't really advance the conversation to just say there's a chance this pregnancy might not be that bad.
Eh. Been pregnant and breastfed twice. It's a balance. Yeah, we need to be cut some breaks, but there is also such a thing as being overly coddled and victimized.
@@RachelDee same here pregnant, breastfed twice, I've had high risk pregnancy the second time too. I'm speaking to Destiny's denial or inability to comprehend that there are many things that pregnant women are not supposed to do that we would do regularly when not pregnant or breastfeeding. And bringing up the three women he knows who have been pregnant is giving me pearl calling her siblings, roommate vibes.
What Destiny actually said "I think Crowder is a piece of shit and I think he's probably abusive to his wife but I don't have enough evidence to definitely conclude it right now." What everyone else hears "I secretly love conservatives and hate women so Crowder is definitely in the right."
Destiny channel member dickriding one of his worst takes, surprise surprise. Dude is out here working OVERTIME because he knows leaks are going to come when Melina leaves him lmao.
Cope. If he said that when he initially saw the clip, nobody would have an issue. Instead he yelled “So what if she’s pregnant? Wtf does that have to do with anything?” like a retard.
@@Observette he did say that when he initially saw the clip , it sounds like you are just quoting the first clip you saw of him commenting on the matter
Destiny is acting like his certainty threshold for coming to a conclusion is the objectively correct one, and anyone else willing to weigh the evidence as-is must be stupid for not choosing to wait for more info -- as though it's some great sin to change your mind at a later date if mitigating information came out in the future. There will always be "more info" you could hypothetically wait for before deciding what you think is happening. Your threshold for how much info you need vs what someone else needs isn't any more valid just because it's yours, especially since you guys are just internet talking heads and your opinions on this matter mean nothing either way.
Its not a sin to change your mind later, but people make up their minds then decide to talk tons of shit, and plaster their name everywhere. Guy named kwite on youtube was accused of rape people jumped on him for it, turns out there was overwhelming evidence to prove it wasn't true. His name was drug through the mud for it and people changed their minds but the damage was already done.
This is my issue too. He used to be big on Bayesian reasoning in the past and I think this is a perfect place for it. The video doesn't tell us a single thing with 100% certainty, but to act like anyone adjusting their probabilities based on the video is "jumping to conclusions" and that for every reasonable assumption we just shriek "you dont know!" Seems like it's just unnecessarily being an ultimate skeptic.
@@Venmerr shit, I remember that one. He even had to do a face reveal which actually kinda bummed me out seeing a comedy channel have to get serious through no fault of their own.
These are my thoughts too. But I think as a public figure it makes sense for him to wait for more evidence. Its just hard to tell what he thinks when he runs defence so hard. It can get confusing.
@@dylankempthorne Yeah, it feels like he got baited by moronic chatters in the first video and now every time someone makes even a small assumption he's got to point out that we don't KNOW Crowder is abusive. It's not wrong, it's just kind of needlessly contentious sometimes.
Kinda funny how Destiny is confidently telling the others to wait and that they have no idea but then proceeds to confidently stating how the video is clearly edited while having no idea. And Aba even makes the point. Lol
I don't think these two things are contradictory. All you need to know if the video has signs of being edited is the video itself no? To know if the relationship between Crowder and his wife is antagonistic or one sidedly abusive, more info would be needed. Although it's definitely already not looking good for him as it stands.
@@SuperAJ1996 aba who has a ring camera made the point that the ring light cuts the video on its own. Destiny immediately dismissed this point even though someone else with the ring in the call backed it up. Now destiny is proven to be wrong despite claiming knowledge
@@jessecorrell996 The explanation they gave for why the cuts happened wasn't complete and it sounded like it wouldn't apply in this situation, but the full explanation showed that it does. I agree that Destiny should have stuck to saying it looks like it might have been edited instead of making a strong statement about that for sure. I agree with the general notion that strong statements should be based on strong evidence
@@SuperAJ1996 yeah because as smart as destiny is he often falls into the trap of needing to be the smartest in the room. Aba was coming from a place of authority and destinys own biases made him dismiss it. This makes his point that they need to wait till the proper info comes out seem disingenuous. Especially because hes being ridiculously charitable to crowder despite the other side only arguing he sort of seems like an asshole
Not destiny saying crowder can’t take an Uber because of potential heart medication. Yet when the others mention dog medicine, he says “YOU DON’T KNOW” 🙄
I swear you people hear what you want to hear Destiny gave a POSSIBILITY ( AKA: I DONT KNOW ). When the others mentioned DOG MEDICINE they were NOT using it as a POSSIBILITY( AKA: I KNOW ). That was his problem
Not contradictory. He is saying MAYBE crowder cant travel because of medication (don't know) and MAYBE the medication is okay for pregnant women to handle (dont know). Either way you dont know and cant cast judgement until the facts are presented.
Why wouldn’t Steven be able to take an Uber on heart medication? I must have missed Destiny saying that….I know there’s plenty of medications where it’s _safer_ to take an Uber than to drive, not sure about the reverse
@@TonyCox1351 Idk, and you don't either. Why act like you know? Do you know what beyond reasonable doubt means? This 3 minute video isn't proof of anything, proof comes from investigation into the video itself. Meaning it will support a case, but it ISNT a case itself
@@TecTitan YOU'RE RIGHT, he IS speculating. But the others are NOT, THAT'S the problem. YOU AGREE with Destiny They are giving their own arguments the "benefit of the doubt" and Destiny is telling them NOT to; While Destiny is GIVING speculation to prove why "benefit of the doubt" may not be what's best given a 3 minute video Like holy. . . He does this, with every case, and people react the same way every time and he's right every time - to wait for info
I’m really frustrated that no one made these points in response to Destiny, so now i’m writing it. 1. There is nothing bad about being precautious with jumping to conclusions too early, nor is it wrong to be charitable. **BUT** Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations. A lot of the times he will also make qualified guesses and make certain assumptions without the full scope. He only seems to apply this ultra high level of charitability, when he can be edgy & contrarian about it. Like when he tip toed around calling Nick Fuentes a white nationalist/nazi. He would never be this charitable to a leftist. I’ve seen him many times making assumptions about people based on little evidence. 2. There is also nothing wrong with making assumptions & qualified guesses, as long as they’re based in reality & reason. In most cases we don’t posses all the evidence, so we make certain jumps & assumptions based on the evidence we’ve got. If the all the evidence we got points in a certain direction, it is absolutely fair to have an opinion on the subject. As long as you admit that it is not 100% confirmed, and that it is just your personal assesment, it should be fine to have a qualified guess or belief. If we didn’t do this, we most likely couldn’t have any beliefs or have any assesments of the world at all. We have to make some assumptions, because we can know everything all the time.
“Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations.” Are these ‘similar situations’ where significant claims such as abuse and being flown around? Are these ‘similar situations’ where more evidence will probably be made available? It would help if you provided some examples to support your claim. Your second point is only reasonably if the assumption is in regard to a trivial conclusion, its dangerous if it involves serious accusations. The fact that we never have 100% of the evidence does not excuse instances where there is clearly insufficient evidence. Its why we have concepts like the presumption of innocence. To say that something is a qualified guess suggests that there is a degree of knowledge behind the guess, which on any reading is impossible seeing as this is a 3min clip from an 8 year marriage.
1) Destiny ABSOLUTELY called Nick Fuentes a white nationalist. 2) The words "Nazi" and "Abuser" are both career, potentially life ending words that Destiny doesn't think should be thrown around lightly. 3) Destiny never said there was anything wrong with making guesses. Destiny said there was something wrong with treating a guess, even if a qualified one, as a definitive assertion, ESPECIALLY when the stakes are this high for the people involved. Literally EVERY SINGLE CASE where the stakes involve abuse or sexual misconduct or career ending allegations, Destiny has ALWAYS approached it the exact way he's approaching it in this video. If you disagree, you are more than welcome to search for the rest of time through his channel for that 10 second clip that proves me and anybody with half a brain wrong.
@@undeadman7676 so since you seem to know EVERY SINGLE CASE, can you give like 3 examples where destiny refuses to call someone a nazi or an abuser? Other than the fuentes example, since you're so big on evidence
God wouldn't it be amazing if Crowder's wife said, "Steven I cannot give the dog 2022 ALMOST EXPIRED PURINA DEWORMER BOUGHT FROM CHEWY WITH A 10% OFF COUPON WITH BLUE NITRILE GLOVES WE GOT OFF AMAZON LAST SUMMER."
😂 For real, even if the specifics of the interaction were stated it doesn’t make how he treated her or the things he said to his heavily pregnant wife okay. Destiny being obtuse af for no reason
Ironically Destiny saying “I’m not taking a hard stance on this topic because we don’t know” wound up being him taking a hard stance on this topic because he doesn’t know Edit: I think I overestimated the comment section here. So just to be clear for the idiots in the back. I’m not condemning Destiny. I’m just saying the situation he’s in is funny, that’s all.
His hard stance is I am not supporting or not supporting him, hard stance is not about crowder its about the principle of how he conducts himself and news that come out
5:57 about 6 months before she decided to become a Shapiroist, she was working to develop a website that would dox anyone on the RW who said something problematic anonymously. The point of the venture was to trace peoples anonymous post to their name and address which would be posted online. It didn’t really take off so she did the Rubin pivot. She’s one of the most shameless grifters in the game - which is a monumental accomplishment considering the competition.
I remember all of that. But I don’t think she’s grifting. People change their views all the time in their early 20s. I definitely did. She’s always been very sensitive and vindictive, and so is Crowder. That’s why they’re both always doing impulsive, dumb things.
Destiny's not wrong for wanting to wait for more info, but hes just being so resistant to try and be understanding I cant tell if hes purposefully trying to be obtuse or just arguing to argue
He is being understanding. To both crowder and the wife. Everyone else is instantly taking the wife's side and not offering a lick of understanding to crowder.
@@alynthequestseeker3017 Not really. Nobody is denying the wife could be doing wrong. Even if the wife is also bad, there's no excuse for Crowder to act the way he did. There's a slim chance there's something to justify his behavior. But given past circumstances it not unreasonable to infer malice on his end. Also he keeps mentioning the Amber Herd thing... most people recognize BOTH OF THEM WERE ABUSIVE. That's a possibility in this case as well, and nobody is denying that. Being abused doesn't justify abusing back.
@@Conantas How was Jonny Depp abusive? You realize that’s not what the court ruled right? Do you have any understanding of the facts of the case? Is him being a piss drunk and drugged out sleepy head count as abuse to you?
We can only be understanding of wthings we actually know. The problem here is people are feigning understanding by jumping to conclusions that are not yet supported by evidence.
@@Conantas no one is exuding Crowders actions. We are humanizing them. What if someone clipped up your worst moment ever for a 3 minute video and leaked it to use against you? Would you be fine accepting any labels they could make about you?
Yeah that was a massively shitty thing to say, not just because it's rude, but because its just a completely speculative ad hominem that has nothing to do with anything. Trying to tell someone your armchair psychoanalysis of their motivations is some seriously bush league bitchy debate stuff.
Bruh come on. That only became a point WAAAAAY into the conversation. Nobody caref about the conservative nan bit cut the crap. Everyone already assumes these people don't like the life they preach by default.
@@aliyahabrahamsHow? Because he said a true statement? Is Aba the fucking conservative value police? You can't make a point at the end of an argument and then say it was the premise for your argument when everything else you said was about the fact that she is pregnant
@@dxshawn532 he specifically said crying white woman and Aba is known for being sceptical of crying white women. Additionally, Abaʼs points were mostly valid imo. (Sceptical is the British spelling, no I didnʼt spell it wrong.)
Yelling and fights happen and a fight between any couple could be taken out of context and would look really bad is a completely valid point I still think destiny is wrong, because there's a difference between the stuff that can get said in the heat of the moment, but as someone whose been lwith my husband for 10+ years, you never say something like "I don't love you. I've never received love from you". Thats just a line that should never be crossed unless youre ready to end the relationship, because thats the only reasonable outcome. In this case, this is a manipulative and abusive tactic to have control over the relationship. It doesn't matter if she might be the most useless woman on the planet and he had the moral high ground all the way up to this point, there is no context where you weaponize love and use it against your partner in order to achieve a desired result like this. The fact that she's pregnant and excessive stress can cause complications, is just sociopathic and I could be wrong but I dont think this is a one off.
I think one point that hasn’t been made is it’s a hell of a lot easier for the partner of a pregnant woman to just give the dog medication while she’s pregnant to mitigate any accidental exposure or help her out with an annoying task where she may have to bend over with that big ass belly, as opposed to arguing, telling her to put gloves on and to just do it if she loves him. This argument was about CONTROL. That much is apparent.
If her being pregnant is such big concern, then why Is she trying to drive the car by herself where she can potentially get in a crash or go into labor?
@@AfroDevilBecause one is (most likely despite how adamant destiny is) potentially just a toxic medication, if that’s the case that’s all there is to it. Cars aren’t dangerous because they’re toxic they’re always potentially dangerous but you’re not going to expect someone to never leave their house, an Uber can also get in an accident.
Because the world is unfair and pregnancy can be difficult and the U.S. mortality rate is higher than it should be. We want to reduce any stress we can especially since both parties are responsible for the pregnancy but one partner didn't have to carry the children.
@@11DaltonB or it's just a suppository like lots of pet medications that require you to wear gloves to administer.... I mean that's obviously the more likely scenario but you can ride the toxic medicine train if you want...it's just autistic.
Yeah, every time the argument was made that "it's just a pill, why is it so hard for her to handle?" That was my first question. If it's so easy, why can't the big masculine tradcon provider of the house just do it?
Neither side is good. Crowder could very well be a controlling, mentally abusive spouse, but I really don't like Owens either. She is a grifting opportunist that will turn her back on anything or anyone as soon as it suits her to do so. For example, she was helped out greatly by the NAACP in the past when she was a student being bullied/harassed by white students, one of which was the son of the mayor or something. With the NAACP's help, she was able to sue and get money. Now when she started doing Conservative content, she wants to act like such issues of people being targeted and harassed for their skin color is not really an issue.
@@KingKahluaaMaking fun of the movements believe all women and me too isnt the same as being misogynistic. Ill concede that a lot of people who make fun of the movements are misogynists but they arent all the same. Those movements suck.
@@sakispdsw What is misogynistic is when 1% of women behave with a fraction of the same ferocity of 99% of men, it is suddenly an indictment of all women. And that isn't even what is being represented here.
@@KingKahluaa The joke is pointing out that people are biased, the right wingers being against believe all women aren't above this either, the second that it's someone they don't like we're back to the same biases showing. it has nothing to do with the poster being misogynistic. TLDR: seek professional help
Destiny immediately linked this with his own personal life and experience living with a pregnant girlfriend. He's defending himself not his girlfriend.
I’m a dog walker and one of the dogs I walk was on chemotherapy. The dogs vet said to use gloves when collecting her poop. Some medications are toxic for pregnant women or any human
@@underpant No, that's not what they're saying. Gloves reduce risk, they don't eliminate it entirely at all, and if you're already a person with a high risk factor, it makes sense to not want to even take the reduced risk.
I'm at 44:45. Waiting for more information is a reasonable position by Destiny. Regardless of other factors, if pregnant partner has a resonable worried risk, you are capable and available with less risk. You are by most societal standards an asshole to refuse to help. Arguing equity seems ridiculous when she's demonstrating willingness to contribute in other ways.
@@suesanszu "I don't love you, that's the big problem. I've never received love from you, and the fact is, when I go 'Look, I need you to do A, B, C, and D. You just need to be disciplined about it.' You go, 'No! [mockingly] I love you more than life.' Okay, 'put on some gloves.' '[snidely] No. But I love you more than life itself.' That's not fair. That's not fair, and it's disingenuous." Steven Crowder frames the whole conversation in that quote. Steven basically forces his wife to do A, B, C, and D, and then gets pissy when she is, in his logic, not disciplined in his eyes. It really could be that she DOES have reasons to not do all of the above, and it seems like Steven Crowder was willing to an exchange where he did the groceries while she did the medicine. He doesn't do the opposite, not because he's petty, but that he's forcing his wife to never have another alternative: only he does.
@@Bluedragon2513 Nice! You definitely know everything about their multi year marriage based off of an edited 3 minute video preceding a multimillion dollar court case! incredible work detective Holmes.
@@Bluedragon2513 Yes, it very well could be the case that he uses this as a manipulation tactic. But it could just as well be the case that she never does what he asks her but claims to love him and that's why he's being petty about it in the fight. We just can't know that...
Here’s us praying: Candace SILENT when everyone else shares positive stories and kind words, absolutely cackling when they’re joking about him dying in a friend way
Normally my wife did the litter box but during the pregnancy I did it instead because it can be dangerous for the woman, no big deal. Also she works in a pharmacy, she had to be remove super early because some medication can indeed cause birth defect to the baby, no matter how you manipulate it (normal people don't know the proper way to put on and dispose of contaminated gloves)
That blue hair fairy thinks just cause what he went thru was 1 way, means that every situation closely related to that has to go that way or the person is retarded. Meanwhile he's a 30 something adult arguing with teens and early 20s who haven't seen anything in life
Walking a dog and grocery shopping is so different lol as someone who was just pregnant, I rather go to the grocery store than walk my hyper dog that pulls. I just hate how confident destiny is about his knowledge on pregnancy. Until u experience it you’ll never know how exhausting and mobility restricting it can be.
If we didn't know any better one would probably think he's been pregnant before, he's so fucking confident it's so easy and that pregnant women should just suck it up. It's borderline incel behavior.
Yea but we don’t know if they have a hyper dog or if it’s well trained. What destiny is saying is why don’t we wait till more facts come out instead of speculating on what things could be. Also I don’t like Crowder at all but we should still wait on info
Holy fuck it’s insane how you guys don’t get why Destiny is getting so triggered over this. We have zero evidence that it would be easier to go to the grocery store instead of walking their dog. Their dog could be old as fuck on its last leg you don’t know so stop crucifying people for wanting to wait for more information and stop pulling assumptions out of thin air.
We are very biased against crowder, so it’s extremely easy to side against him whenever anything negative gets released, regardless of if it’s true. Literally anything could have been released about crowder, and as long as it was negative, everyone woulda ate it up just the same. And I’m not sure why people keep saying destiny is “defending” crowder. Technically, he isn’t defending anyone, because he dosent have enough evidence to say one way or another. But because everyone on the left (and the right) are frothing at the mouth to shit down crowders throat, destiny looks like a huge simp. It’s pretty silly. And it’s extremely silly to think that if your jump to conclusion ends up being correct, that you were right to jump to conclusions. This is like saying you are smart because you guessed correctly on a multiple choice question.
I really do not care about the Crowder situation at all. Destiny is right, wait for more context. I just can’t wrap my head around why Destiny is so confused that pregnant women are cautious sometimes, or that some men are really protective of their pregnant wives, so much so that they expect Crowder to be more protective as well (even if they hate each other, that’s still his child in the womb). As I said, this is not about the crowder situation, just Destiny’s general disposition toward pregnancies, it’s like the most autistic I’ve ever seen Destiny be.
Its silly to call out Destiny a crowder-defender, but its also hard to be wrong by not giving Crowder the benefit of the doubt in this case. Not that I'd do it quite this publically. But hey, your comment seem a bit too excited to righteously defend the rational middle ground, so lets not pretend youre not putting on a show either.
Okay, but Destiny has already jumped to a conclusion while ironically telling people not to jump to a conclusion. Are you serious? Yes, he’s absolutely defending Crowder.
coming back to this video to see destiny go hard on the point that the video was edited only to be proven wrong while judging and criticizing everyone else for jumping to conclusions.
Lol that’s what people said about the Rittenhouse situation too but then went suspiciously silent after the verdict. You guys need to understand that not judging a relationship based entirely off a single sketchy video and some he said she said isn’t the most insane position to have.
@@Dovahkiif Except he behaves completly the same as ppl he has dunked on. Also the goalpost are so shifted by the end of this vid compared to the start when there is no explicit ground, he just shits on his orbiters. I love hos takes but this is one of the L takes.
BIIIIG Lestiny on the "pregnant woman" topic. But he can't handle this L and needs to climb to the most absured hyperbolic positions like "do pregnant women need to be bedwritten" etc.
He's being kinda weird about this. It's like he's just trying to argue for arguings sake, and is defending Crowder to the death with a bunch of weird anecdotes and guesses while condemning anybody that says anything even remotely defending the wife. It's weird.
@@croftmanor2k23 no man. Destiny is being wierd here. He somehow made the argument that Crowder who will have a future surgery might get covid and that's why crowder didn't want to take Uber. But its perfectly reasonable for Crowder to force his wife to take Uber who is 8 months pregnant. I mean what kind of world is he living in. In his world Pregnant women dont get covid.??? When did he became a covid denier.
@@chris_tine1430 is it safer for her to drive or a stranger? Also I think many people are framing this uber driver/stranger thing a little too seriously, are we all now afraid to ride in ubers because the drivers might be grapers or killers?
@Jeremy Dussault remember this is June 2021, covid is much more of a thing. And yes going to the grocery in this context is still better because she wants to get away to get alone
@@bongokevinson2161 lmao okay that’s not how I meant this comment. He was falsely accused of abuse by actual psycho Mr girl for being mean in debates to smaller streamers (which isn’t abuse) it was never in a sexual or romantic context. Mr girl tried to find allegations of abuse from destiny’s exes and he admitted he couldn’t find anything
I think by dying on this steven crowder hill hes making himself look more like an abuser to a huge audience than 10 mr girl manifestos could. Nobody outside of this bubble gave a shit about that. Now people are calling him an abuser fucking everywhere and he did this to himself for absolutely no reason.
Lmao yeah I find it pretty hilarious how Candace posts up her own little exoneration while not showing us any other messages from any other conversation.
I love how destiny said the ring thing is a huge cope and the video is obviously edited, then literally a couple hours later the ring thing was shown to be true and the video wasn’t edited, lmao
Yup I enjoyed that too. Thats why you don't go scorched earth indignant. Guy just screamed and looked like a moron. One of the big tells was his strawman that babies would die instantly if she did it haha.
Yeah, such a difficult thing to believe, lmao. He's an asshole and seems like a pretty trash human in all regards. This whole thing is telling to say the least.
Honestly, yes some women labor up until birth. Others are indeed bed-ridden. Some develop diabetes or preeclampsia and need to take it slow due to blood pressure problems. Like Steven, chill with the commentary on pregnancy dude. I usually agree with you and I’m inclined to say you have a point on this but the claims about pregnancy are wild!
i think it's because america traditionally treats pregnant people like garbage. having to work up till when the baby pops out i think is a uniquely american thing because they don't believe in mat leave.
She CLEARLY wasn’t bed bound… “I’ll be back when I’m back” I’m sure she was hanging with her friends constantly too leaving the house a wreck and neglecting her husband post surgery
@BeanyBabyRabie you can't be bedbound as a pregnant woman, because women are at risk for DVTs, so ambulating as tolerated is tolerated for pregnant women.
Like I said. I’m inclined to agree with Steven here. We should generally be critical in our analysis, but his take on what pregnant women can or cannot do lacks nuance.
I feel like this is one of those few times where Destiny is being contrarian for the sake of it. Maybe because there are those just waiting for something to attack Crowder with, but still
Most of Destiny's good takes are when they incidentally align with his belief system. When that disconnect is present, the moral and intellectually integrity of his arguments start to unravel. This is such a piss-poor take that is rooted mostly in emotional appeal with a few deceptive semantic arguments thrown in the mix so he can pretend to stay "on brand" and most plausibly a massive self-report due to his own past experiences.
@@SB-se7vb Destiny's take is literally the single most ethical and legal take a person could have in this scenario. Outting yourself in real as being a Crowder hate-fucker. Embarrassing for you
@@friendlypup5650 But at the same time he’s jumping to conclusions in order to remain “neutral” on the clip. Crowder does not look good in this clip no matter how you spin it
Destiny is being difficult for no reason. It doesn't have to be the case that as soon as the pregnant lady touches a medicine her fetuses are automatically ejected from her uterus for her to be concerned. Even if the medicine said "handle with care", it's perfectly fine for her to ask someone else to give the dog the medicine. It's irrelevant whether the drug is actually dangerous to pregnant people. Maybe she's being paranoid, who gives a fuck. It's your wife, her pregnancy is high risk, she's worried about it and all you have to do is finish smoking your fucking cigar and spend two minutes of your life to give the dog the medicine for your wife to be at ease. Especially since she's perfectly happy to do other chores in the meantime, like go grocery shopping. This should be a complete non-issue. Also, comparing grocery shopping and handling the medicine is fucking stupid. It's like Destiny doesn't understand people's fears and concernes aren't coming from a rational place and information backed up by statistics. He's so busy being a contrarian he's forgetting to be a human being again.
So she gets to be irrational because she’s pregnant? It is extremely likely this entire argument isn’t solely about the dog meds. That’s only the surface. It seems to be the case she has issues doing anything around the house even before she was pregnant. So his frustrations with her culminated into this one big moment. He looks bad in the video but that doesn’t mean he’s an abusive husband. Do you think if anyone released a video of you at your worst moment, that it would be fair to draw conclusions about you just based on a 3 minute video?
@@giovalladares1022 how did you possibly come up with that conclusion when she literally offered to do a chore in place of giving the dog medicine i agree it’s hard to judge a relationship based on a 5 minute clip, but all these “what ifs” lead to nothing, so this clip coupled with the fact his wife is literally the one divorcing him leaves me to be believe that crowder was the problem in the relationship. and even if his wife was being lazy, that doesn’t excuse the smoking a cigar right in front of her face, telling her she needs to be disciplined, and shouting “I will fuck you up” when she’s trying to leave the house. oh, AND she’s 8 months pregnant. crowder complaining that that she needs to do her wifely duties proposes 0 evidence that she doesn’t do chores, especially since he’s a man with high traditional values so I really doubt he would marry and stay with a woman like that in the first place.
@@Throwaway-xr6zd “And no, this was not my choice,' he added. 'My then-wife decided that she didn't want to be married anymore and in the state of Texas, that is completely permitted.” he literally said this in his own video
Regarding the Crowder video (pinned comment by August): I was the one who came on Destiny explaining this (8:12:10 Kick VOD 4/29/2023) The camera records for 60 seconds guaranteed (unless you set it to something diff like 30 or 90, etc. seconds guaranteed), + roughly 2 second combined buffer before/after to show what happened just before motion begun. After the 60 seconds are up the camera needs to detect motion again. So if after 60 seconds there is no real motion, for X number of seconds, then does X number of seconds will not get captured until new motion begins, even if there was significant motion at 57 seconds (I found Ring forum posts complaining about this). This is why during each cut it does not appear like anyone really moved. Also why the time where the cut begins is right before she starts moving again. That is the new motion being detected. There are 2 time cuts, 41 seconds being cut 0:25, and 8 seconds at 2:34. The cut at 1:31 is not an actual cut, here the timestamp goes back 4 seconds actually, that is because this is what it looks like when the 60 seconds are up but there was motion immediately during the end of the 60 seconds, so the timestamp discrepancy is likely processing and saving, and grabbing a new true timestamp. In conclusion, we can see that there is 1:02 (62s) seconds between each cut which lines up with what the camera does, and we can see that the two actual cuts (0:25 and 2:34) happen when there is no motion and motion starts again. We lost ~48 seconds due to lack of motion, not due to deliberate editing.
"Your client doesn't have the money to keep Candace Owen's from speaking out" I'm sorry Candace are you implying that there is actually a price for your silence? Edit: Also my dog used to have eye drops, and the instructions said not to get on your hands.
Destiny treating grocery shopping like you have to cross the Mojave Desert past some Deathclaws 😂. They probably live in a wealthy upperclass area. The grocery stores are likely very stress free, clean, safe, and easy to navigate.
I live in one of the most violent drug-addicted and poor cities in my state, I have literally never encountered a grocery store that deviates from your description.
@@oakwood06 Pregnant women also got those electric scooters. Checkout/Stockers can help them with grabbing things from shelves. They’re usually treated the same as elderly in-store.
Because Destiny will always be ‘waiting for more information’ as a way to handwave abuse. Not to say that ‘waiting for more information’ is bad on its own, but it only ever goes one way with Destiny, which is whatever is the most contrarian position is at the time. My guy is still ‘waiting for more information’ on Amouranth when it’s been god knows how long since then, and for some insane reason he thinks that ‘She does hot tub streams of her own volition’ is some kind of proof that her BF wasn’t ever controlling or abusive and that he was ‘right’ on the situation lmao. Destiny doesn’t care about the truth, he cares about whatever counter-narrative at the moment will cause the most controversy and clip posts on LSF. It’s like watching a TERF say ‘Just wait for the studies showing how miserable people who transition are! No! Not those studies! Not those studies either! Annnnnny minute now the ones proving me right will come out! I’m just waiting for more information is all. I’m so open minded and don’t jump to conclusions you see! Annnnnny minute now!’
Im sorry, but pregnant women arent even allowed to eat fish, you are literally not "allowed" to even touch certain things. Steven is out of line here. Grocery shopping during a pandemic seems risky too, but she said she needed space and he was throwing a fit about things he needed so it kinda makes sense.
It doesn't matter because the point isn't even if it is risky, the point is that you don't KNOW for SURE. So you shouldn't make strong claims about it. That's his whole point. You can't say crowder is being an asshole because he's trying to get his wife to touch toxic dog medicine because you do not know if that medicine is toxic. You can GUESS. But you don't KNOW. That's the issue. Even if there was 1000 types of dog medication and 999 of them were toxic, you can't say that crowder is making her touch toxic medicine if you simply don't know that he could have the 1/1000. Bring it down to the realistic case where theres a lot of non-toxic medication, and it seems a lot more like people trying to layer on extra things as a dunk independent of proof.
As someone who's been pregnant twice, Destiny's take on pregnancy is dumb as hell. Women work up until birth because they HAVE to and not because they like to. It's FINE but not optimal. "Your feet swell a little bit and they might be more agitated" etc etc. Sir.
When did he say that women who worked while pregnant liked to? How would that negate anything he said regarding whether or not women can work while pregnant? Are you suggesting that all women who worked while pregnant didn't want to but had to?
That's a fair point. He even said he might be a little crazy on that one, so I took it with a grain of salt. It doesn't really negate his larger argument or anything, but it's still good hearing from someone who's been through this. I hope you stick around in this community, because we need more parent perspectives.
Disagree. Just the other week I saw two or 3 pregnant women working out at the gym I work at. You can't tell me those 3 women felt "forced" to go to the gym. Different women deal with pregnancy differently.
@@atetraxx yeah near the end of last nights stream a fan came on who did an analysis of the video and also did some reading on ring forums. Turns out after seeing movement the camera starts recording for 60 seconds. Then no matter what happens in that time it cut the video. Then it waits for more movement before it does another recording. Theres also a thing where it try to go back 3 seconds into the last recording and if it sees movement then it will make another video that is slight cut early. When aba was talking in this aba said he has a ring camera and has had this issue himself, but destiny kinda blew him off here because destiny was frustrated.
He was so fucking certain about that too. After constantly arguing the most unlikely of scenarios with "we just don't know for sure", he was like "it's clearly edited, they're moving the whole time, thinking it went out is a major cope". He gave absolutely no quarter to anyone claiming the camera COULD have just cut out by itself, as if these Amazon smart home products never have any bugs or glitches .
How Candace Owens has stayed partially relevant I will never understand. She started out as a far left idiot trying to collect data for big corporations. Now she pretends to be a far right idiot. Jfc I hate everything she represents. She is a semi-sapient embodiment of grift
15:03 He's being so disingenuous for the sake of Crowder, WHY? Dave Landau was extremely clear that being late didn't matter most of the time because Crowder and his staff would go over things in another room without him before going on air. Plus they would give him assignments that needed to be ready the next day, which would effect his sleep. Like I get it, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, but Dave's main point was it wasn't about making good content, it was more about control. It's the total lack of empathy that was obviously the problem, not Dave being late or falling asleep on rare occasion due to actual reasons. On top of everything, Dave's past experience with being on a talk show gives you some hint that Crowders show didn't have to be so cut throat to function well. Dave gave a lot more examples of Crowders narcissistic behavior in the interview. I think Destiny is playing the content game, cause admittedly it would be boring to just acknowledge Crowder is most likely (not for sure) a narcissist.
As someone who breeds dogo Argentino dogs, I can say that 2 of these dogs are very hard to handle and almost impossible for an 8 month pregnant woman to handle without risk. These dogs are twice as large as a pitbull and magnitudes more aggressive with a high hunt drive when it comes to other animals.
Thank you for your input. Do you know what dog they have? Is it a difficult dog? I know their dog was sick and on its last legs. So I highly doubt your anecdote is relevant.
@Gio Valladares they are dogo Argentino and often suffer from dysplasia in the joints of the back legs. It is usually treated with anti inflammatory drugs in the form of pills.
Or maybe they just have to put the stuff in some treats. But hey, I guess that isn't an acceptable scenario when you want to make everything the worst.
@usucdik I don't know what to think about this situation. Crowder looks bad but who knows. I just commented on the type of dogs and the ability of a pregnant woman to walk them. As for the dog medicine, I know some are toxic to pregnant woman but we still don't know what the medication is. Personally I wouldn't risk it if my wife was pregnant.
I agree with the orbiters. Destiny goes all "I don't know if any of you have ever interacted with a pregnant woman" while it's clearly him that has no clue. At 8 months with twins her wishes are everyone else's commands, come the fuck on. You don't debate bro that shit asking for studies proving that some dog medication might be bad for the pregnancy, what cringe is this!? (Then again, I'm also from a country where pregnant women working until hours before delivery is seen as barbarism, so maybe it's just US things.)
Definitely US things. Work culture here is all about work work work. If you are using your sick days you better be dying or have Covid, or else you're lazy. Vacation is for people who 'earn' it. Breaks at work are circumvented whenever possible.
Her wishes aren’t anyone else’s shit, but regardless if handling medication is apparently off the table despite us having no information whether the issue was the toxicity of the medication then how is driving any better?
@@yorhahoudini4531 I'm not going to debate bro that stupid point. You're right, we do not have evidence either way, super deep point. Now, if you ever grow up, leave your basement and try to procreate, please do yourself a favor and take care of your pregnant wife.
The only reason I don’t agree with a lot of what destiny says is because I have Never heard him once say “ oh yeah I was wrong about that mb “ or tell someone he is debating “ oh you are right actually” he is more focused on being a contrarian and right rather than having an actual conversation where he also can admit his flaws in argument or opinion.
no he does this often he just usually states he doesnt knowor if hes what hes talking about unlike 99% of people. He actually did just this in the recent video with sundae and whick about whatevre the fuck it was.
Stardust and Lycan are both brazenly fabricating information to support their arguments here and you want Destiny to admit to being wrong or to concede that they were right? I hope whatever you're smoking is illegal. His stated position is "I don't know" and they are attacking that position. Every attack against his position is defended with "Is there actual relevant information to base an opinion on?" and they either have nothing or make something up. Why would he cede anything here? He very frequently in this conversation says "It could be the case" which IS ceding to them, but with the caveat of "I don't know" still being the ACTUALLY CORRECT underlying position to have. They continue to fight against that position because you can't virtue signal as easily if you're not siding with the white woman with no pushback. EVERY attack against his position is either misrepresenting his position or includes speculation / fabricating facts. "I don't know" is the ONLY reasonable position to have here.
Yeah at best he'll admit it in like 2 weeks when he doesn't care anymore, but he gets 100% emotionally involved in the moment and can't just realise when he's digging dumbass holes for himself because he's triggered
Basically every argument destiny usually makes could easily be refuted with “but you dont even know.” This really feels like destiny working out his feelings from past relationships in real time.
@@IAmAllEyes Nah he is right. This video was leaked to make Crowder look as bad as possible. Why not leak even more Videos when they got Ring cams? What happend after the Video? Before? He looks like a piece of shit in this video, sure. But we have 0 info about anything but these few minutes.
No, that is HIS argument.. he's humble and says when he's speculating and try to motivate his statements, whilst other people claim a certain truth without sufficient evidence
@@Thismaybetheyearidissappear sure, but regardless if it is edited or not, parts of the video is "missing" and I argue that not the whole context is available at this time
Agreed. On his show, Crowder uses metaphors a lot. He’ll go on his politically driven monologue about something, state a premise up front, and then use that premise as an analogy at the end. “Put on the gloves” could be referring to handling toxic medication. “Put on the gloves” could be about metaphorical boxing gloves, and he’s saying “fight for your conservative principles”. Destiny missed a lot of obvious points like this because of how triggered the others were making him.
I feel like Destiny is missing, either intentionally or unintentionally, what Crowder said. He didn’t just say to put on gloves if she’s committed. He ALSO said, “….and walk the dogs”. As someone who was married and had 3 children in 3 separate pregnancies, certain things a can be more manageable than others for pregnant women. Walking dogs, even if in disagreement (and I endured a few turmoil ridden pregnancies), if you’re not a total dick, walking the dogs when your wife is pregnant with twins is not asking too much. I’ve worked 12+ hour shifts and came home and cleaned my house and did other things with the children while my pregnant wife went grocery shopping. It happens. And there’s nothing wrong Crowder being asked to do things he didn’t want to do while they were having issues when she’s THAT far along. From experience. When your child is involved, all that other stuff goes out the window. Destiny isn’t being reasonable or charitable when he says “well why would she go grocery shopping then?”. He’s being as irrational as he claims others are being. When you here “grocery shopping” he’s thinking of getting a bunch of stuff. She could just be getting a few items for the home, things that won’t be too strenuous or that she knows she can handle. Every pregnant woman is aware of what they can and cannot do. So for her, walking the dogs is too much (and any self respecting man wouldn’t make his pregnant partner do that when they’re possible of being in labor at any moment). Going grocery shopping is not. Especially when, as Destiny keeps saying “we don’t know” what she was getting. She clearly was trying to get away from him which is why she stated “I will be back when I’m back”. She was making it clear that she would not rush to return. She tried to reset and disarm the tension by stating “I love you, I’m committed to you”. It’s not gaslighting. She’s trying to stop the argument so she can go. Feels like none of these people have ever been in a functioning relationship before. This is all simple to understand if you e ever been in a relationship or had issues.
You have no clue about their personal lives and are just making assumptions. What if 'I'll be back when I'm back' means she's going to a friends place, and she'll be back sometime tomorrow? Or in a couple days? He specifically mentions being frustrated with his life being on a minute to minute schedule and her not being able to give him an estimate. Also saying 'I love you' can mean more than you're implying, especially in an argument. She could be trying to de-escelate, or she could have a pattern of saying 'I love you' to end arguments and not hear out his side. Or she could have a pattern of saying/doing abusive things then trying to make it better by telling him how much she loves him. Steven Crowder is a piece of shit, but that doesn't mean we should just take this one video as the entirety of their marriage. Especially when there could be some serious baggage coded into this argument that we just have no idea about.
Yeah disagree with destiny here, if your pregnant wife is anxious about giving the dog medicine just fucking give the dog the medicine, it’s not that hard and it’s unreasonable not to given the ease and her anxiety.
From my understanding the Dog medicine thing isnt that its a strenuous activity like Destiny is implying, but that its an uneccessary risk for someone who's pregnant. Even if theres barely any risk, why risk it? Like which is more believeable, she doesnt want to because its too physically strenuous for her, or she doesnt want to because its an unecessary risk?
Okay, so she shouldn't be doing anything at all, all day long then? Oh i'm pregnant i'm gonna just stay in bed for the next 3 months. You don't have ANY context as to their relation that's the whole point destiny is making. ALL of these claims and speculations are just that, random guesses! Stop!
@@HeyArlo No she just shouldnt be taking uneccesary risks. Its a high risk pregnancy (twins), and shes very far along. Stop being dense. She was willing to go to the store so its clear she can do some things.
My daughter works at a veterinary clinic, and she were prevented from handling any medications from the moment they knew she were pregnant. She were prevented and covered by her coworkers from any medication for the pets they treated. And yes some of the medication is given through syringes, and the worst thing that could happen is that the pet gets cranky and the needle pokes her. Because of the safety for both the baby and her, they don’t take any chances, big or small.
Destiny gets obnoxious by the day, this shouldn’t even be a debate. Could there be more to the video than what we are being led to believe? yea of course. As an adult can I look at a 3 minute video and recognize someone is being abusive towards their significant other ? Yes. This is not a murder trial I don’t need for more evidence to be revealed or to come out.
Definitely more below the surface here. Destiny throwing logic and getting so triggered. There's something personal here or else he plans to defend Crowder publicly for personal gain later on when this blows over
They were married for 10 years. You watched a 3 minute recording. A heavily edited recording with no context (the beginning and end of the argument are not included). A recording selectively leaked by one party to a journalist clearly bent on making Crowder look as bad as possible. This was filmed 1 month before the texts where they formally talk about separation. Ie this is at the very, very end of their marriage when by definition everything is falling apart. It is premature to judge based on this. Maybe crowder is as bad as this 3 min clip makes him look. Maybe not. The leaked 2 min video from Amber Heard had half the planet calling Jonny Depp a textbook abuser/narcissist/psychopath etc. Then more info came iut that dramatically altered this calculation. Maybe they are BOTH horrible. Maybe neither of them are.
@@bluecoffee8414 " a heavily edited recording" "... selectively leaked by one party to a journalist clearly bent on making Crowder look as bad a possible" Source?
Idk why you guys think people are JUST NOW deciding to jump to conclusions on crowder, like no one thought he was a POS before this clip? I’m not even calling him abusive nd y’all act like it’s so unfair for me to call him a POS, knowing what I know about him (I don’t need a SIDE or clip) exactly how destiny is saying at 5:51 about Candace owens, is how I feel about crowder, but I need more context for that?
@@CisternRumblings Did we not see a video of him being a verbally abuse husband? 'Him' being a man that has literally made a living off of being a hateful pos? 'Him' being a man that said women shouldn't be allowed to choose having a divorce? In a video HE MADE to make himself look good? What the fuck type of context is missing?
@@friendlypup5650 he's not, because bro is working off The same information as the others but pretending they are somehow more wrong for believing the opposite side of the situation as firmly as he believes Crowders side
@@yoyyoy6376 he’s not saying they’re wrong. He’s saying nobody should be confident to make assumptions based off a 3 minute video when there are so many other explanations that could change the context
@@friendlypup5650agreed. We've literally all seen this before with heard vs Depp. Whole lot of people ended up looking very dumb when they believed the jilted partner. Just wait for more info, be skeptical at first when it's he said she said. Some people will just continue making this mistake and then acting like it's nothing when it blows up on them. Kudos to destiny.
Obviously Destiny has never tried to hold down a 90lb dog to shove a pill down their throat, or have him drag you around the block. As a medical professional, most medications should not be handled by pregnant women. Unlike you, I have had a high risk pregnancy, and being stuck at home was not healthy. I would do the groceries, but my hubby walked the dog, so that I wasnt alone on a street somewhere and have pregnancy complications.
Weird, I've had dogs and had to give them medication, one of those dogs was an English mastiff, none of them had to be held down, there's ways of giving a dog medicine without shoving it down their throats
@@Originalchili Well, if you've never had to do it that must mean nobody has ever had a dog that was difficult to give medication to or difficult to walk. Since you've had dogs, you've clearly gained knowledge on how all dogs behave and there couldn't possibly be deviation from your experiences anywhere in the world depending on the breed, sex, age, or temperament of the individual dogs. Nope, all the same.
I think everyone over thinking this shit lol she didn’t care about the dogs or grocery shopping he was being a dick and she was trying to get the fuck away from him and he was preventing her from leaving with the car
As a person who was subbed to crowder, that video did make me uncomfortable and made me consider him a POS (still could be), but watching Destiny's take on this situation brought me back to reason... the video is years old with alot of context missing while they were already going thought divorce and people are willing to dog pile because they care about hating him more that being consistent. I always heard about you destiny but i think I'll be subscribed to you as well, you are being consistent even when people in your sphere hate you for it.
As a fan of Crowder did you ever really get the impression that he was a "good person." I was once a fan of him for a little bit, but even then I could tell the guy was a bit of a prick. Even without full context what Crowder said to his wife here is horrible. My Grandfather was very very conservative and probably would agree with a lor of Crowders politics, but he would never ever treat my grandmother that way or treat her as if she is inferior to him. You can think what you want, but I absolutely do think it is fair to judge Crowder for this
@@bigwig252 I’m sure if we clipped all the fights you’ve had in your life, all the hateful and regretful shit you’ve said in your life, we clipped 3 mins from one of those fights, and then spread it to world for judgment. You’d be perfectly fine with that right? Fair, reasonable and rational to judge someone’s mannerism, worth and righteousness based off of a 3 min video during a divorce. I’m sorry but I don’t believe any of you who sit here and claim they have never said hateful shit to someone in their lives at some point in their lives that could be comparable to this. It doesn’t excuse Crowders word, it just humanizes them….
It’s the TH-cam clinical psychologist that are extremely patronizing and annoying. It would be unethical for a psychologist who is qualified to analyze a video like this, to take this 3 min video and make a judgement….. So why is it ok for you, a layman, to think it wouldn’t not only be unethical for you to do so, but also irresponsible since you have no qualifications to make a judgment on someone’s marriage and “abusive tendencies”
Stardust: "I'm just going to talk about that 3 minute video" Stardust 1 minute later: it's a high risk pregnancy, he admitted X, Y and Z, [insert 10 other arguments that weren't in that video]. /facepalm.
These people are ludicrous. We don't even know if he was just making a point attached to a larger argument. I mean there's a million possible narratives here and they convince themselves they have all the info they need. Even though if this exact same video existed with Hasan instead of Crowder they'd ask all these questions.
Somehow, repeatedly in this conversation "she doesn't want to handle what may dog medicine that may be toxic to her unborn children" gets translated into "she's a helpless bedridden baby who can't do anything for herself for the last 3 months of her pregnancy" and I don't know how.
i would go 1 step back how did "she didn't want to wear gloves" get translated into "she doesn't want to handle what may dog medicine that may be toxic to her unborn children"
the take is braindead. it only makes sense if you assume there's no context to their 10 yr marriage, like a pattern of using excuses to systematically avoid taking on responsibilities.
Destiny got baited into defending Crowder here. He should have remained steadfast in his agnostic stance in the altercation. Whatever caveat he made at the beginning was long forgotten by the time they talked about dog medications.
True, he was best just sticking to it only being footage of a fight close to the end of their marriage. I don't know how much we can get just from this but he's stuck arguing every point and making his own assumptions.
@@thrash208 Because having the car gives her the freedom to go whever she wants without worrying about catching other Ubers elsewhere and back home. That'll just cause another argument probably, "Why are you spending x amount of money on Uber?"
@@thrash208 The point is that if she wants to go multiple places to relax after dealing with him, it would be better if she had the car. Have you ever been to a shopping center before? I know you don't walk all the way from one section to the next one if they're somewhat far apart right? And if the next store you want to go to is across the stroad from the one you're at now, you definitely don't want to cross those kinds of streets. It's unsafe, especially when you're pregnant.
For someone who wants to wait for more information before calling out a bigot, and is even willing to go so far as to Stan for the guy, he is completely ok climbing out onto a thin branch to discuss pregnancy related complications. Destiny put his foot in his mouth when he generalized from the women he's known and the branch broke. I agree with his principle, but if it was actually principled then don't even discuss it until the evidence is sufficient for you to opine.
Destiny is losing the plot in this thing. Why defend him at all? It's not a big deal. It's just a rocky relationship. Maybe he is getting butthurt because he knows his fighting with Mel would be way worse. Don't condone or condemn any of it. Just say it's goofy behavior and move on.
Regarding why she couldn't walk the dog, but could grocery shop. One is outside the other is inside. What was the temperature? (It looked warm/hot and sunny) Is the dog jumpy and does it pull the leash? And it's not about being physically able, stress can really screw with a pregnancy. And if this guy preaches about being traditional, he should be doing the bulk of the physical labor. (Also I think she wanted to leave to just get away from him for a few hours, he looks like such a headache to be around, I can't blame her)
Yeah this is actually a great point, you know why tho right? Because there are many factors that we don't know about, so why make ANY claims at all? Wait for more information. Period. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
I just don't understand how a couple this wealthy doesn't have their own hired driver for her, what's the point in being rich if you're going to drive one car?
I actually don’t know if Candace Owens misrepresents things on purpose. I used to think that but I came to the conclusion that she just isn’t that intelligent. She’s so wrong on so many things, I just can’t believe that she does it on purpose.
They’re all smart. She knows what she’s doing. They’re deliberate in doing things to maximize placating to their audience so they earn more money. Simple.
There's no universe where these people AREN'T intelligent. Think whatever else you want about them, but the mere fact that they are in their positions at all is PROOF that they are _extremely_ intelligent.
It’s not a sign of abuse it literally is by definition psychological and emotional abuse. Destiny is just being a dumb contrarian here. It’s true that we can’t make inferences about the entire relationship, but that’s a strawman. No one is saying that except in response to Destiny. People are upset because the video shows abuse, and nothing the wife did could justify that. This dude’s intelligence isn’t impressive I don’t get why his fans worship the ground he walks on.
Exactly bruhh if your partner ask you to do something and you dont if their response is “you dont love me” thats literally emotional manipulation but Destiny likes toxic relationships so he could never admit that bc it would make him sound like a hypocrite as he has had public arguments w chicks he’s been with were he probably said worse
Idk...... Maybe his 1st wife didn't want to screw everyone while he watched..... like his new wife does! 🤷 I don't really know much about his first wife.
Jesus, Destiny’s small rant over praying was wild LMAO especially in this case, what else can they do? Lmaoooo I get his point, but not in this case, when there’s a surgery there’s nothing else you can do lmao
probably do nothing over praying (which is also doing absolutly nothing) and then getting an ego boost from it. Did they really do anything besides going online and boasting how good they are? They just used it for cookie points online without doing anything.
@@vovakorotkikh5161 I know this is crazy, but people actually believe in God. So they’re doing the only thing available to them. Saying “because it does nothing” isn’t a valid reason. And mind reading their intentions isn’t a point in your favor. They could be encouraging others to pray for him as well. Prayer has been studied and shown to have improved results in patients. Placebo affect is real even if you’re an atheist edge lord.
@@vovakorotkikh5161 Are you seriously that distraught people reaching out via their faith through prayer? Only time I hear people getting upset over the action of prayer is the david pakmans and destiny's of the world. Who Unironically call you bad if don't prescribe to their policy X or Activism Y as a cost of praying? Get a grip and stop being so shallow. How many times do you hear the same youtubers jerk themselves raw on their ideological stances but don't follow through on their activism? Destiny is probably better then most however the only reason he is taking umbridge with prayer is cause he is allowing his atheism to grip him entirely. Sure there is a difference between taking issue with people abusing the notion of prayer vs. just praying however I don't think you guys care either way you just hate the notion of prayer and religion.
@Gio Valladares I think that's their point tho, the praying is the least form of help or encouragement compared to what you could do. You could make them some food, buy them some flowers, mow their lawn for them, dude i could make a massive list of nice things you could do. I mean if you wanna call blessing someone with placebo effect doing something lol I'll give that to ya, but let's not pretend it has anywhere near the effect of actual help.
I'm so confused by destiny here. Why is he pretending that he doesn't know anything about emotion or caring about a partner? He keeps screaming "YOU DONT KNOW" but he doesn't know either. Is he the only one that is allowed to speculate on what is going on? I am not saying the wife is a saint. But to dig his heels in so far that he tossed all his logic out of the window about pregnancy and women health risks is insane. I honestly feel like this is projection from him because the arguments he doing here is so unlike him. I have never seen him double down so hard to the point that he seems unaware of layers of emotions, health, biology and reason. There is always a chance of anything being something else, but he usually argues from a point of likelihood and not absurd what ifs. What if she has a dog Crowder hates and he doesn't want to keep it from dying, is absurd argument from destiny. Sure we don't know, but what is the likelihood of that being the case?
Editor's note: the footage is most likely NOT edited, explanation video soon...
Selectively put together then? It seems to have clear cuts from some moments to the next 🧐
August x Destiny debate coming?
@@strawbearrySmoothie let's go, f**k destiny team august
@@swaggitypigfig8413 literally just cut out dead time where nothing is said LOL
I'm not sure why, but I can't shake the feeling that Crowder has rejected her in some way- maybe he's been cold to her public flirtations and she's come off feeling humiliated.
She's a very attractive woman, and can often be playfully seductive, and would be used to men being "cuntstruck".
Crowder, always playing the righteous Christian husband, being a virgin till marriage, only having eyes for his wife- he probably iced her and now she must destroy him bwahahahaha
When my pregnant wife doesn’t walk the dog I usually tell her I don’t love her as well. I stand with Crowder 100 percent.
I mean hes being honest and they filed for devorce a week after the video. He was probably checked out of the relationship long before the video
He said he doesn't love her and they're filing for divorce, I don't see any inconsistency 🧐
@Thrash Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say in his announcement vid about the divorce that he didn't want the divorce in the first place and that he still loved her? Honestly, I'm asking.
Yeah. This actually happened to me. My wife Told me horrible things she did and said I couldn't do anything about it, cause she is pregnant with my children. But she loved me... No, but seriously this situation happened to my dad. so how about people stfu and stop pretending they know what they would do when they don't know the context of their relationship.
@@charlesfinland7788 No he said he doesn't believe in divorce. not that he still loved her. Basically it goes like this. They believe u sign a contract, a bond, that can't be broken unless death, etc. Therefor, it is about working on it etc no matter what and sticking together for family sake and because its your duty to follow through with your agreement.
Despicable behavior from Destiny 😠😠😠
He’s only being charitable to Crowder because he has the same first name as him. Conspiracy!!!
real
Destiny crowder he got a woman’s name too
True!
Destiny probably had fights with Melina where if it were clipped and leaked out, it could look very bad. It's not difficult to look at the situation from that perspective unless you've never been in a long relationship or too bias causing mental block.
I get Destiny point to wait for more information on stories but his "maybe his wife is lazy and refuses to clean the house therefore this justifies his behaviour" is a dunb argument
She had a miscairrage prior to this pregnancy and anyone who has gone through a pregnancy loss knows you are hypervigilant and paranoid about anything that could be risky. My guess is that she was avoiding many tasks and being high risk she would have had physical restrictions. Yes this probably put an extra burden on him for chores. I think every couple who has had to deal with risky pregnancy and losses knows you just suck it up. It is temporary. If it was that much of a burden for him he could afford to get her some help.
I mean he had chest surgery and a collapsed lung chances are shes just lazy
@@blazikenowen What does that have to do with anything that was mentioned? He had chest surgery after this I believe, it's not like he was recovering from it actively during the time the video was recorded. Address what was said
Its funny cause Destiny is like “He might be on heart medication because he had heart surgery”. Literally speculating and doing the same shit everyone is doing just from the other side.
@@IAmAllEyes the medicine was for the dogs, that's what the article said at least
@@dreadheadedguardian what is there to address? the fact that we don't see evidence of him claiming "he will fuck her up" and him actively saying he can't see people or talk to them and her acting like hes abusing her? you do realize she had probably been planning to divorce him right? because considering she leaked this theres a chance that she had been acting for the camera and playing him like a fiddle even if he hadn't abused her at all if hes had surgery can't sort the dogs and shes literally just being lazy of course hes going to tell her to sort out the dogs because he can't physically do it and he got sick of her being lazy obviously we have no proof of anything other then a ring video but lets be honest hes not emotionally abusing his wife in the video and him not letting her take there only car isn't abuse or isolating infact her taking a uber or taxi would be safer then her driving especially considering she ended up giving birth early what would happen if she had drove and ended up in labour during driving then crashed? he would get the blame for letting her drive he was in a situation where he lost either way if he doesn't give her the car its "abuse" if he does and she dies in a car crash he shouldn't of let her take the car fact is one video of them arguing does not prove emotional abuse or that he had been emotionally abusive for years and it shouldn't be deemed like its absolute truth anyone can act especially when they have planned a divorce and want to make the other person out as the villian so they get a bigger pay out
1:09:49 L for destiny here. Saying crowder cant take an uber because he has heart surgery next month and could get covid, but somehow she cant get covid from an uber and infect him.
Yeah that's where I was like Destiny is being disingenuous now. Aba is correct with and somehow Having a heart surgery in the future somehow trumps the needs of a pregnant woman at present. Like WTF
@@kevincola3184haha I watch some of both destiny and Crowder, funny you mentioned that. Both have their imperfections but they're also both entertaining and make some decent points.
Destiny gets stuck in sounding like the ultimate skeptic position here, to the point where it sounds like he is assuming as much as anyone else. He needs to calm down and make sure all his points reflect that, instead of getting into shouting matches and sounding unhinged.
No he's overly charitable to Crowder.
@@esinach It only sounds like that because hes getting debate brained at times. His ultimate point is to wait and let more info come out.
@@Worgen33 exactly
@@Worgen33 That would be fine if it was, but the far reaching charitable Crowder takes are what people are annoyed about.
One hundred percent. It seems like if someone was even prefacing a statement with "probably" or "it seems like" that his reflexive response is "You dont KNOW!" which by that logic, I don't know how he can ever say anything about anyone's relationship dynamics ever.
This was such a frustrating listen. Destiny’s thesis is correct (be careful about assumptions from a 3min video) but he dug in his heels so hard against making any assumption/possibility that it made him look unreasonable.
A few of my contentions with this conversation:
I think someone finally said this at the end, but it seems very likely that Crowder’s wife was just trying to leave the situation because she was upset. (I have similar reactions when I’m in a fight-I just need to go drive/walk somewhere and cool down). Going to the store is an excuse. Does a pregnant woman want to be hauling bags of wood pellets? No, but it’s better than being at home.
Is walking dogs more strenuous than the store? It depends. Maybe the dog pulls and she’s afraid of falling. Maybe the dog needs a 2 mi walk to burn off energy. Maybe squatting to pick up dog shit is really hard with a giant belly in front of her. In comparison, strolling around a store with a cart might be way easier.
And undoubtedly, being pregnant in your mid 30s with twins when you’ve miscarried before is a different story than a first-time low-risk single pregnancy in your 20s, and acknowledging that is not treating a woman like a “r******* child”. Yes, a lot of women work until late in pregnancy because they don’t have a choice-it’s still uncomfortable, especially in the final weeks when it’s harder to sleep, babies are consuming more nutrients/oxygen, your organs are crushed, and your ligaments are softening to make way for labor.
That’s not to say that all pregnant women are completely incapacitated and need bed rest for the last 2 months. It’s to say that we rightly should give them some extra grace and kindness for that temporary time because they’re likely exhausted and uncomfortable with little relief.
Giving dogs medication can suck even if the medication ISN’T harmful to pregnant women. I have to get on the floor and hold my dog’s mouth closed so she swallows a pill. But there are a lot of human and animal meds that can cause fetal issues if handled. This is not super uncommon or unthinkable at all. When I worked in a pharmacy there were common prescriptions that I was advised to not count/bag if it was possible I was pregnant (and we didn’t touch the pills by hand).
Thank you. My thoughts exactly. Pregnant women are advised to not handle typical cleaning products without being in full hazmat gear, so Steven is way off here. And I agree she was absolutely trying to get some space and sincs he was complaining she wasn't getting him what he needed, she might as well to help ease things
What? She could literally just go anywhere on an Uber why does she need to take the car groceries. You guys can’t just keep making assumptions and assume that’s why there’s sufficient proof that this video shows crowder is an abuser
Holy shit thank you, Destiny has an L take here. It's not unreasonable to make certain assumptions. If all Destiny said was "maybe you're right, I guess we'll see when more information comes out" instead he's defending crowder to the death over nonsense. Isn't Destiny also a huge proponent to Occam's razor? What's more likely, the wife is trying to get out of a seemingly toxic situation and is probably not comfortable giving medication to a dog and would rather do some light grocery shopping? Or she's a master manipulator?
@@draszi That was already Destiny's take. Stardust came in to argue why Steven was FOR SURE abusive and there was no other way to view the video. He dug in his heels because everyone else was making assumptions to further their points instead of saying "He seems abusive, but let's see if there is other evidence before we make these claims"
@@elfboy676 Maybe I misinterpreted it but that's now how I took it. I think stardust was complaining that destiny was taking no stance and was saying it was equally possible that there was some background where it would make the wife to be some lazy bitch or just as culpable. I think it's fair to assume that the woman is probably more likely to be correct in this SPECIFIC instance
the reason why twins are on average delivered early is not because they just go into pregnancy early, its usually because a combination of factors like the mother's blood pressure or one of the twins not getting enough nutrition. a lot of times twins are delivered early and one of them is like 6 lbs and the other one is like 4 lbs.
U know what they say, a 6 and a 4 are still a ten 😂 shwing!
Not wrong
I was 6 something lbs my twin was 4 something
This is wrong, preterm labor and subsequent delivery IS the most common complication in twin gestations. An ob might induce labor in preterm period for gestational or chronic hypertension but that's not the point you are trying to make
im a twin, youre literally spot on with my mothers experience. twins are now more likely to be delivered via c-section too. i was 5.5 my twin was 4
True . My twin almost died at birth and like couldn't breath on his own for years during the night . Apparently my mom was scared every night that my twin would just not wake up .we were both very small Apparently and delivered very early. My mom worked until the day she gave birth
I think Destiny is always going to have this issue with bridge burning as long as he does this thing where he doubles down on something that he knows people inherently get passionate about, and insults, minimizes, and strawmans his friends and orbiters arguments. When Aba hopped on, and Destiny made the crying white woman crack -- he knows that's not a thing for Aba, but he said it anyway, to dismiss his argument. I can see how people would get tired of someone acting like he's the rational one, while being deliberately obtuse about why people are saying what they're saying.
I believe Destiny is right about the video, regarding not coming to a definite conclusion, but getting mad at people who do, while insulting them, will wear thin on most people. And I think the disconnect comes when people insult him about specific things, they don't think it's a big deal, because most people don't separate their emotional responses when it comes to what is fair game for someone to insult you about. I don't know. Something like that.
The way he talks to his own fans is pretty insulting and often not even warranted.
Dan said it best when he called him Obtuse. Him ranting about what pregnancy is like. There is so much you aren't supposed to when you're pregnant and breastfeeding, it completely changes the way you live. It's a sacrifice, you sound so dumb arguing over chores.
I don’t know if the redpill is just rotting men’s brains or what, but when my wife was 8 months pregnant I was happily doing stuff for her, because I love her and that’s the nice thing to do
Not to mention how pregnancies can differ greatly from woman to woman and pregnancy to pregnancy.
You could cite your own experience to shoot down someone making outrageous claims, sure. But it doesn't really advance the conversation to just say there's a chance this pregnancy might not be that bad.
@@TonyCox1351 are you divorced now?
Eh. Been pregnant and breastfed twice. It's a balance. Yeah, we need to be cut some breaks, but there is also such a thing as being overly coddled and victimized.
@@RachelDee same here pregnant, breastfed twice, I've had high risk pregnancy the second time too. I'm speaking to Destiny's denial or inability to comprehend that there are many things that pregnant women are not supposed to do that we would do regularly when not pregnant or breastfeeding. And bringing up the three women he knows who have been pregnant is giving me pearl calling her siblings, roommate vibes.
What Destiny actually said "I think Crowder is a piece of shit and I think he's probably abusive to his wife but I don't have enough evidence to definitely conclude it right now."
What everyone else hears "I secretly love conservatives and hate women so Crowder is definitely in the right."
Destiny channel member dickriding one of his worst takes, surprise surprise. Dude is out here working OVERTIME because he knows leaks are going to come when Melina leaves him lmao.
Cope. If he said that when he initially saw the clip, nobody would have an issue. Instead he yelled “So what if she’s pregnant? Wtf does that have to do with anything?” like a retard.
@@Observette he did say that when he initially saw the clip , it sounds like you are just quoting the first clip you saw of him commenting on the matter
So true
If thats all he said everybody would agree with him but he goes hard on the defensive for some reason
Destiny is acting like his certainty threshold for coming to a conclusion is the objectively correct one, and anyone else willing to weigh the evidence as-is must be stupid for not choosing to wait for more info -- as though it's some great sin to change your mind at a later date if mitigating information came out in the future.
There will always be "more info" you could hypothetically wait for before deciding what you think is happening. Your threshold for how much info you need vs what someone else needs isn't any more valid just because it's yours, especially since you guys are just internet talking heads and your opinions on this matter mean nothing either way.
Its not a sin to change your mind later, but people make up their minds then decide to talk tons of shit, and plaster their name everywhere. Guy named kwite on youtube was accused of rape people jumped on him for it, turns out there was overwhelming evidence to prove it wasn't true. His name was drug through the mud for it and people changed their minds but the damage was already done.
This is my issue too. He used to be big on Bayesian reasoning in the past and I think this is a perfect place for it.
The video doesn't tell us a single thing with 100% certainty, but to act like anyone adjusting their probabilities based on the video is "jumping to conclusions" and that for every reasonable assumption we just shriek "you dont know!" Seems like it's just unnecessarily being an ultimate skeptic.
@@Venmerr shit, I remember that one. He even had to do a face reveal which actually kinda bummed me out seeing a comedy channel have to get serious through no fault of their own.
These are my thoughts too. But I think as a public figure it makes sense for him to wait for more evidence. Its just hard to tell what he thinks when he runs defence so hard. It can get confusing.
@@dylankempthorne Yeah, it feels like he got baited by moronic chatters in the first video and now every time someone makes even a small assumption he's got to point out that we don't KNOW Crowder is abusive. It's not wrong, it's just kind of needlessly contentious sometimes.
Kinda funny how Destiny is confidently telling the others to wait and that they have no idea but then proceeds to confidently stating how the video is clearly edited while having no idea. And Aba even makes the point.
Lol
There's more evidence that the video is edited (look at timestamp) than the dog medication being toxic (no one says this in the video).
I don't think these two things are contradictory. All you need to know if the video has signs of being edited is the video itself no? To know if the relationship between Crowder and his wife is antagonistic or one sidedly abusive, more info would be needed. Although it's definitely already not looking good for him as it stands.
@@SuperAJ1996 aba who has a ring camera made the point that the ring light cuts the video on its own. Destiny immediately dismissed this point even though someone else with the ring in the call backed it up. Now destiny is proven to be wrong despite claiming knowledge
@@jessecorrell996 The explanation they gave for why the cuts happened wasn't complete and it sounded like it wouldn't apply in this situation, but the full explanation showed that it does. I agree that Destiny should have stuck to saying it looks like it might have been edited instead of making a strong statement about that for sure. I agree with the general notion that strong statements should be based on strong evidence
@@SuperAJ1996 yeah because as smart as destiny is he often falls into the trap of needing to be the smartest in the room. Aba was coming from a place of authority and destinys own biases made him dismiss it. This makes his point that they need to wait till the proper info comes out seem disingenuous. Especially because hes being ridiculously charitable to crowder despite the other side only arguing he sort of seems like an asshole
Quality content. 😆 Just don't burn the bridge between you and Aba, Destiny. You two make a decent duo.
As if that has ever mattered 💀
Destiny be so trigger so much
@@mikethepokemaster2012 autism + narcissism = a bad combo
@@mikethepokemaster2012 autism + narcissism = a bad combo
I loved aba, but that bridge is gone.
Not destiny saying crowder can’t take an Uber because of potential heart medication. Yet when the others mention dog medicine, he says “YOU DON’T KNOW” 🙄
I swear you people hear what you want to hear
Destiny gave a POSSIBILITY ( AKA: I DONT KNOW ). When the others mentioned DOG MEDICINE they were NOT using it as a POSSIBILITY( AKA: I KNOW ). That was his problem
Not contradictory. He is saying MAYBE crowder cant travel because of medication (don't know) and MAYBE the medication is okay for pregnant women to handle (dont know). Either way you dont know and cant cast judgement until the facts are presented.
Why wouldn’t Steven be able to take an Uber on heart medication? I must have missed Destiny saying that….I know there’s plenty of medications where it’s _safer_ to take an Uber than to drive, not sure about the reverse
@@TonyCox1351
Idk, and you don't either. Why act like you know? Do you know what beyond reasonable doubt means? This 3 minute video isn't proof of anything, proof comes from investigation into the video itself. Meaning it will support a case, but it ISNT a case itself
@@TecTitan YOU'RE RIGHT, he IS speculating. But the others are NOT, THAT'S the problem. YOU AGREE with Destiny
They are giving their own arguments the "benefit of the doubt" and Destiny is telling them NOT to; While Destiny is GIVING speculation to prove why "benefit of the doubt" may not be what's best given a 3 minute video
Like holy. . . He does this, with every case, and people react the same way every time and he's right every time - to wait for info
I’m really frustrated that no one made these points in response to Destiny, so now i’m writing it.
1. There is nothing bad about being precautious with jumping to conclusions too early, nor is it wrong to be charitable. **BUT** Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations. A lot of the times he will also make qualified guesses and make certain assumptions without the full scope. He only seems to apply this ultra high level of charitability, when he can be edgy & contrarian about it. Like when he tip toed around calling Nick Fuentes a white nationalist/nazi. He would never be this charitable to a leftist. I’ve seen him many times making assumptions about people based on little evidence.
2. There is also nothing wrong with making assumptions & qualified guesses, as long as they’re based in reality & reason. In most cases we don’t posses all the evidence, so we make certain jumps & assumptions based on the evidence we’ve got. If the all the evidence we got points in a certain direction, it is absolutely fair to have an opinion on the subject. As long as you admit that it is not 100% confirmed, and that it is just your personal assesment, it should be fine to have a qualified guess or belief. If we didn’t do this, we most likely couldn’t have any beliefs or have any assesments of the world at all. We have to make some assumptions, because we can know everything all the time.
“Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations.” Are these ‘similar situations’ where significant claims such as abuse and being flown around? Are these ‘similar situations’ where more evidence will probably be made available? It would help if you provided some examples to support your claim.
Your second point is only reasonably if the assumption is in regard to a trivial conclusion, its dangerous if it involves serious accusations. The fact that we never have 100% of the evidence does not excuse instances where there is clearly insufficient evidence. Its why we have concepts like the presumption of innocence. To say that something is a qualified guess suggests that there is a degree of knowledge behind the guess, which on any reading is impossible seeing as this is a 3min clip from an 8 year marriage.
1) Destiny ABSOLUTELY called Nick Fuentes a white nationalist.
2) The words "Nazi" and "Abuser" are both career, potentially life ending words that Destiny doesn't think should be thrown around lightly.
3) Destiny never said there was anything wrong with making guesses. Destiny said there was something wrong with treating a guess, even if a qualified one, as a definitive assertion, ESPECIALLY when the stakes are this high for the people involved.
Literally EVERY SINGLE CASE where the stakes involve abuse or sexual misconduct or career ending allegations, Destiny has ALWAYS approached it the exact way he's approaching it in this video. If you disagree, you are more than welcome to search for the rest of time through his channel for that 10 second clip that proves me and anybody with half a brain wrong.
@@undeadman7676 so since you seem to know EVERY SINGLE CASE, can you give like 3 examples where destiny refuses to call someone a nazi or an abuser? Other than the fuentes example, since you're so big on evidence
@@mcbean1 jumping to conclusions is absolutely fine as long as you acknowledge those conclusions are subject to change
Right on. Thank you. Destiny has been insufferable through this whole Crowder thing
God wouldn't it be amazing if Crowder's wife said, "Steven I cannot give the dog 2022 ALMOST EXPIRED PURINA DEWORMER BOUGHT FROM CHEWY WITH A 10% OFF COUPON WITH BLUE NITRILE GLOVES WE GOT OFF AMAZON LAST SUMMER."
😂 For real, even if the specifics of the interaction were stated it doesn’t make how he treated her or the things he said to his heavily pregnant wife okay. Destiny being obtuse af for no reason
@@DarthBojangles He never said they were ok. Why are you people so "obtuse"
@@DarthBojangles bruh the pussy do be fartin doe.
@@TheRainsRuined They are purposely ignoring Destiny so they can own him in their own minds.
@@croftmanor2k23 What are they ignoring?
Ironically Destiny saying “I’m not taking a hard stance on this topic because we don’t know” wound up being him taking a hard stance on this topic because he doesn’t know
Edit: I think I overestimated the comment section here. So just to be clear for the idiots in the back. I’m not condemning Destiny. I’m just saying the situation he’s in is funny, that’s all.
His hard stance is I am not supporting or not supporting him, hard stance is not about crowder its about the principle of how he conducts himself and news that come out
@@vovakorotkikh5161 I know, thank you for restating that I guess
@@wokinstock it's literally his job.
@@wokinstock yeah give into peer pressure!!! Woo-hoo, you would've definitely been in the Nazi party during 1935 Germany
@@JakeTylenol a hard stance in neutrality is not what anyone thinks when you say hard stance.
Your comment is a useless empty criticism.
5:57 about 6 months before she decided to become a Shapiroist, she was working to develop a website that would dox anyone on the RW who said something problematic anonymously. The point of the venture was to trace peoples anonymous post to their name and address which would be posted online. It didn’t really take off so she did the Rubin pivot. She’s one of the most shameless grifters in the game - which is a monumental accomplishment considering the competition.
Don’t forget what she did to Nicole Arbour
Opposed to the left .. all saints
Pepridge farm remembers
I remember all of that. But I don’t think she’s grifting. People change their views all the time in their early 20s. I definitely did. She’s always been very sensitive and vindictive, and so is Crowder. That’s why they’re both always doing impulsive, dumb things.
@@Jedscorp nice straw man
Destiny's not wrong for wanting to wait for more info, but hes just being so resistant to try and be understanding
I cant tell if hes purposefully trying to be obtuse or just arguing to argue
He is being understanding. To both crowder and the wife. Everyone else is instantly taking the wife's side and not offering a lick of understanding to crowder.
@@alynthequestseeker3017 Not really. Nobody is denying the wife could be doing wrong. Even if the wife is also bad, there's no excuse for Crowder to act the way he did. There's a slim chance there's something to justify his behavior. But given past circumstances it not unreasonable to infer malice on his end.
Also he keeps mentioning the Amber Herd thing... most people recognize BOTH OF THEM WERE ABUSIVE. That's a possibility in this case as well, and nobody is denying that. Being abused doesn't justify abusing back.
@@Conantas How was Jonny Depp abusive? You realize that’s not what the court ruled right? Do you have any understanding of the facts of the case?
Is him being a piss drunk and drugged out sleepy head count as abuse to you?
We can only be understanding of wthings we actually know. The problem here is people are feigning understanding by jumping to conclusions that are not yet supported by evidence.
@@Conantas no one is exuding Crowders actions. We are humanizing them. What if someone clipped up your worst moment ever for a 3 minute video and leaked it to use against you? Would you be fine accepting any labels they could make about you?
Bro so fucking disgusting that Destiny said 'Aba you don't care if he is living up to his values you just wanna defend a pregnant woman'.
Iʼm a fan of both of them but Iʼm beginning to understand why some people dislike him personality-wise.
Yeah that was a massively shitty thing to say, not just because it's rude, but because its just a completely speculative ad hominem that has nothing to do with anything. Trying to tell someone your armchair psychoanalysis of their motivations is some seriously bush league bitchy debate stuff.
Bruh come on. That only became a point WAAAAAY into the conversation. Nobody caref about the conservative nan bit cut the crap. Everyone already assumes these people don't like the life they preach by default.
@@aliyahabrahamsHow? Because he said a true statement? Is Aba the fucking conservative value police? You can't make a point at the end of an argument and then say it was the premise for your argument when everything else you said was about the fact that she is pregnant
@@dxshawn532 he specifically said crying white woman and Aba is known for being sceptical of crying white women. Additionally, Abaʼs points were mostly valid imo.
(Sceptical is the British spelling, no I didnʼt spell it wrong.)
Destiny and Melina be yelling on stream so I think it’s hard for him to see verbal abuse
Very hard to see abuse when you do it yourself. Destiny is just coping.
Yelling and fights happen and a fight between any couple could be taken out of context and would look really bad is a completely valid point
I still think destiny is wrong, because there's a difference between the stuff that can get said in the heat of the moment, but as someone whose been lwith my husband for 10+ years, you never say something like "I don't love you. I've never received love from you". Thats just a line that should never be crossed unless youre ready to end the relationship, because thats the only reasonable outcome. In this case, this is a manipulative and abusive tactic to have control over the relationship. It doesn't matter if she might be the most useless woman on the planet and he had the moral high ground all the way up to this point, there is no context where you weaponize love and use it against your partner in order to achieve a desired result like this. The fact that she's pregnant and excessive stress can cause complications, is just sociopathic and I could be wrong but I dont think this is a one off.
@@srslee5966 nigga what
I think one point that hasn’t been made is it’s a hell of a lot easier for the partner of a pregnant woman to just give the dog medication while she’s pregnant to mitigate any accidental exposure or help her out with an annoying task where she may have to bend over with that big ass belly, as opposed to arguing, telling her to put gloves on and to just do it if she loves him. This argument was about CONTROL. That much is apparent.
If her being pregnant is such big concern, then why Is she trying to drive the car by herself where she can potentially get in a crash or go into labor?
@@AfroDevilBecause one is (most likely despite how adamant destiny is) potentially just a toxic medication, if that’s the case that’s all there is to it. Cars aren’t dangerous because they’re toxic they’re always potentially dangerous but you’re not going to expect someone to never leave their house, an Uber can also get in an accident.
Because the world is unfair and pregnancy can be difficult and the U.S. mortality rate is higher than it should be. We want to reduce any stress we can especially since both parties are responsible for the pregnancy but one partner didn't have to carry the children.
@@11DaltonB or it's just a suppository like lots of pet medications that require you to wear gloves to administer.... I mean that's obviously the more likely scenario but you can ride the toxic medicine train if you want...it's just autistic.
Yeah, every time the argument was made that "it's just a pill, why is it so hard for her to handle?" That was my first question. If it's so easy, why can't the big masculine tradcon provider of the house just do it?
Neither side is good. Crowder could very well be a controlling, mentally abusive spouse, but I really don't like Owens either. She is a grifting opportunist that will turn her back on anything or anyone as soon as it suits her to do so. For example, she was helped out greatly by the NAACP in the past when she was a student being bullied/harassed by white students, one of which was the son of the mayor or something. With the NAACP's help, she was able to sue and get money. Now when she started doing Conservative content, she wants to act like such issues of people being targeted and harassed for their skin color is not really an issue.
Funny how after Crowder goes after Shapiro, all of a sudden its "believe all women"
More so, "plausible inference of video evidence."
Misogyny is cringe. Seek professional help.
@@KingKahluaaMaking fun of the movements believe all women and me too isnt the same as being misogynistic. Ill concede that a lot of people who make fun of the movements are misogynists but they arent all the same. Those movements suck.
@@sakispdsw What is misogynistic is when 1% of women behave with a fraction of the same ferocity of 99% of men, it is suddenly an indictment of all women. And that isn't even what is being represented here.
@@KingKahluaa The joke is pointing out that people are biased, the right wingers being against believe all women aren't above this either, the second that it's someone they don't like we're back to the same biases showing. it has nothing to do with the poster being misogynistic.
TLDR: seek professional help
Destiny immediately linked this with his own personal life and experience living with a pregnant girlfriend. He's defending himself not his girlfriend.
A projection of a projection.
Buddy is a bit special. 😂
I’m a dog walker and one of the dogs I walk was on chemotherapy. The dogs vet said to use gloves when collecting her poop. Some medications are toxic for pregnant women or any human
I wear gloves when collecting any kind of poop
So what you're saying is there is nothing wrong with asking her to give the dogs medication as long as she wears gloves?
What the hell does radioactive poop have to do with giving a dog medication?
@@underpant No, that's not what they're saying. Gloves reduce risk, they don't eliminate it entirely at all, and if you're already a person with a high risk factor, it makes sense to not want to even take the reduced risk.
@@krombopulos_michael I see. What was the medicine Crowder was asking his wife to give?
I'm at 44:45. Waiting for more information is a reasonable position by Destiny. Regardless of other factors, if pregnant partner has a resonable worried risk, you are capable and available with less risk. You are by most societal standards an asshole to refuse to help. Arguing equity seems ridiculous when she's demonstrating willingness to contribute in other ways.
The only thing is that during fights people get petty and we really don't know what the whole fight was about. It's clearly not about the dog.
@@suesanszu "I don't love you, that's the big problem. I've never received love from you, and the fact is, when I go 'Look, I need you to do A, B, C, and D. You just need to be disciplined about it.' You go, 'No! [mockingly] I love you more than life.' Okay, 'put on some gloves.' '[snidely] No. But I love you more than life itself.' That's not fair. That's not fair, and it's disingenuous."
Steven Crowder frames the whole conversation in that quote. Steven basically forces his wife to do A, B, C, and D, and then gets pissy when she is, in his logic, not disciplined in his eyes. It really could be that she DOES have reasons to not do all of the above, and it seems like Steven Crowder was willing to an exchange where he did the groceries while she did the medicine. He doesn't do the opposite, not because he's petty, but that he's forcing his wife to never have another alternative: only he does.
@@Bluedragon2513 Nice! You definitely know everything about their multi year marriage based off of an edited 3 minute video preceding a multimillion dollar court case! incredible work detective Holmes.
@@Bluedragon2513 Yes, it very well could be the case that he uses this as a manipulation tactic. But it could just as well be the case that she never does what he asks her but claims to love him and that's why he's being petty about it in the fight. We just can't know that...
@@colbyrob4814 I do know everything. You can't be serious in claiming that I don't🙄
Here’s us praying:
Candace SILENT when everyone else shares positive stories and kind words, absolutely cackling when they’re joking about him dying in a friend way
she knew he was a snake.
Destiny's autism is off the charts in this discussion
Autism recognizes autism.
Only one who ever been with pregnant woman is autistic to you and others don't. Truly sane take
Normally my wife did the litter box but during the pregnancy I did it instead because it can be dangerous for the woman, no big deal. Also she works in a pharmacy, she had to be remove super early because some medication can indeed cause birth defect to the baby, no matter how you manipulate it (normal people don't know the proper way to put on and dispose of contaminated gloves)
Normal people can't be logical and conscientious enough to pinch the cuff of a glove and use the exposed side to remove both?
That blue hair fairy thinks just cause what he went thru was 1 way, means that every situation closely related to that has to go that way or the person is retarded. Meanwhile he's a 30 something adult arguing with teens and early 20s who haven't seen anything in life
@@Thesaurus-Rex yes
@@Thesaurus-Rex what planet do you live on
@@MrMctastics Earth maybe
Walking a dog and grocery shopping is so different lol as someone who was just pregnant, I rather go to the grocery store than walk my hyper dog that pulls. I just hate how confident destiny is about his knowledge on pregnancy. Until u experience it you’ll never know how exhausting and mobility restricting it can be.
If we didn't know any better one would probably think he's been pregnant before, he's so fucking confident it's so easy and that pregnant women should just suck it up. It's borderline incel behavior.
Yea but we don’t know if they have a hyper dog or if it’s well trained. What destiny is saying is why don’t we wait till more facts come out instead of speculating on what things could be.
Also I don’t like Crowder at all but we should still wait on info
@@finalcombat9036 the torches are lit and the pitchforks are sharpened
@@finalcombat9036 I've been pregnant twice and I agree.
Holy fuck it’s insane how you guys don’t get why Destiny is getting so triggered over this. We have zero evidence that it would be easier to go to the grocery store instead of walking their dog.
Their dog could be old as fuck on its last leg you don’t know so stop crucifying people for wanting to wait for more information and stop pulling assumptions out of thin air.
I wanna claw my eyes out whenever streamers start talking about medicine
Or politics.
@@aodigital9421 Or relationships.
Or economics
Or breathe
Same. His vaccine takes are so bad.
Never would I thought ever seeing Aba and Destiny get a bit spicy. 😂
I was waiting for this for so lonnggg. I was enjoyed it soooo much 😂
@@faikerdogan2802 Same, I was recently thinking what would get both of them to shout and call eachother names and I guess this was it. 😂
Bc destiny acting stupid
I laughed when Destiny calls Aba a Retard and then minutes later he says “So how’s everything going Aba? 😃” That shit had me lmao 🤣😂
Destiny insinuates that Aba is a grapist and immediately walks it back by saying “Like me hehe”
We are very biased against crowder, so it’s extremely easy to side against him whenever anything negative gets released, regardless of if it’s true. Literally anything could have been released about crowder, and as long as it was negative, everyone woulda ate it up just the same.
And I’m not sure why people keep saying destiny is “defending” crowder. Technically, he isn’t defending anyone, because he dosent have enough evidence to say one way or another. But because everyone on the left (and the right) are frothing at the mouth to shit down crowders throat, destiny looks like a huge simp. It’s pretty silly.
And it’s extremely silly to think that if your jump to conclusion ends up being correct, that you were right to jump to conclusions. This is like saying you are smart because you guessed correctly on a multiple choice question.
100 percent.
I really do not care about the Crowder situation at all. Destiny is right, wait for more context. I just can’t wrap my head around why Destiny is so confused that pregnant women are cautious sometimes, or that some men are really protective of their pregnant wives, so much so that they expect Crowder to be more protective as well (even if they hate each other, that’s still his child in the womb). As I said, this is not about the crowder situation, just Destiny’s general disposition toward pregnancies, it’s like the most autistic I’ve ever seen Destiny be.
Nobody is listening to what he is saying or his caveats. It's a literal derangement syndrome thing
Its silly to call out Destiny a crowder-defender, but its also hard to be wrong by not giving Crowder the benefit of the doubt in this case. Not that I'd do it quite this publically.
But hey, your comment seem a bit too excited to righteously defend the rational middle ground, so lets not pretend youre not putting on a show either.
Okay, but Destiny has already jumped to a conclusion while ironically telling people not to jump to a conclusion. Are you serious? Yes, he’s absolutely defending Crowder.
coming back to this video to see destiny go hard on the point that the video was edited only to be proven wrong while judging and criticizing everyone else for jumping to conclusions.
This is categorically Destiny's single WORST hill he could have ever chosen to die on.
There is no scenario where he comes out as a decent human :D
It's a safe bet for destiny. All of these people are inventing facts instead of waiting for more info.
Lol that’s what people said about the Rittenhouse situation too but then went suspiciously silent after the verdict.
You guys need to understand that not judging a relationship based entirely off a single sketchy video and some he said she said isn’t the most insane position to have.
He’s projecting his perceived relationship problems on to Steven and his wife.
@@Dovahkiif Except he behaves completly the same as ppl he has dunked on. Also the goalpost are so shifted by the end of this vid compared to the start when there is no explicit ground, he just shits on his orbiters. I love hos takes but this is one of the L takes.
It’s wild to me that this whole issue seems like it could have been solved if the millionaire had more than one car.
Or the millionaire hired help.
@@aussiemenace1924 what are you saying?
@@runeyugi ok, why not 3 or more? I know people with less money have more than 3 cars
You have no fucking idea bro
@@6alcantara yeah but no one asked you.
BIIIIG Lestiny on the "pregnant woman" topic.
But he can't handle this L and needs to climb to the most absured hyperbolic positions like "do pregnant women need to be bedwritten" etc.
He's being kinda weird about this. It's like he's just trying to argue for arguings sake, and is defending Crowder to the death with a bunch of weird anecdotes and guesses while condemning anybody that says anything even remotely defending the wife. It's weird.
@@ryohio4706 I swear you leftists only hear what you want to hear. It's weird af.
@@croftmanor2k23 no man. Destiny is being wierd here. He somehow made the argument that Crowder who will have a future surgery might get covid and that's why crowder didn't want to take Uber. But its perfectly reasonable for Crowder to force his wife to take Uber who is 8 months pregnant. I mean what kind of world is he living in. In his world Pregnant women dont get covid.??? When did he became a covid denier.
"Why did she wanted to go do the groceries" she wanted to get OUT and she said she's go get him what he would want from the groceries
So why didn't she take a uber?
@Jeremy Dussault because as a 8 months preggo woman woth twins it's much more safer to have a way to get around versus having to rely on a stranger
@@chris_tine1430 is it safer for her to drive or a stranger? Also I think many people are framing this uber driver/stranger thing a little too seriously, are we all now afraid to ride in ubers because the drivers might be grapers or killers?
@Jeremy Dussault remember this is June 2021, covid is much more of a thing. And yes going to the grocery in this context is still better because she wants to get away to get alone
@Chris_ Tine But with that isn't it safer for a pregnant woman to be home during covid instead of a grocery store....
Destiny is extra sensitive about this topic because he was recently falsely accused of being abusive
I don't think he's helping his case with this shit.
@@bongokevinson2161 lmao okay that’s not how I meant this comment. He was falsely accused of abuse by actual psycho Mr girl for being mean in debates to smaller streamers (which isn’t abuse) it was never in a sexual or romantic context. Mr girl tried to find allegations of abuse from destiny’s exes and he admitted he couldn’t find anything
I think by dying on this steven crowder hill hes making himself look more like an abuser to a huge audience than 10 mr girl manifestos could. Nobody outside of this bubble gave a shit about that. Now people are calling him an abuser fucking everywhere and he did this to himself for absolutely no reason.
Lmao yeah I find it pretty hilarious how Candace posts up her own little exoneration while not showing us any other messages from any other conversation.
She didn’t talk about the Nicole Arbour situation either. She has no issue recording friends LMAO
@@beanybabyrabie she used to have a doxxing website and be insane lefty.
Look up Charisse Lane. Shes a whistle-blower for Blexit (Candaces "non profit").
I love how destiny said the ring thing is a huge cope and the video is obviously edited, then literally a couple hours later the ring thing was shown to be true and the video wasn’t edited, lmao
Yup I enjoyed that too. Thats why you don't go scorched earth indignant. Guy just screamed and looked like a moron. One of the big tells was his strawman that babies would die instantly if she did it haha.
This just shows that destiny is open to changing his mind provided new info, how is that a bad thing?
@@mrwaltermathewswhen did he say that?
@@lampad4549 when they were arguing about who should administer the toxic dog medication.
The argument over handling meds is basically Destiny explaining why he'd be a shitty husband in this situation.
Yeah, such a difficult thing to believe, lmao.
He's an asshole and seems like a pretty trash human in all regards.
This whole thing is telling to say the least.
Honestly, yes some women labor up until birth. Others are indeed bed-ridden. Some develop diabetes or preeclampsia and need to take it slow due to blood pressure problems. Like Steven, chill with the commentary on pregnancy dude. I usually agree with you and I’m inclined to say you have a point on this but the claims about pregnancy are wild!
i think it's because america traditionally treats pregnant people like garbage. having to work up till when the baby pops out i think is a uniquely american thing because they don't believe in mat leave.
No they're not. How are his claims wild?
She CLEARLY wasn’t bed bound… “I’ll be back when I’m back”
I’m sure she was hanging with her friends constantly too leaving the house a wreck and neglecting her husband post surgery
@BeanyBabyRabie you can't be bedbound as a pregnant woman, because women are at risk for DVTs, so ambulating as tolerated is tolerated for pregnant women.
Like I said. I’m inclined to agree with Steven here. We should generally be critical in our analysis, but his take on what pregnant women can or cannot do lacks nuance.
I feel like this is one of those few times where Destiny is being contrarian for the sake of it. Maybe because there are those just waiting for something to attack Crowder with, but still
Most of Destiny's good takes are when they incidentally align with his belief system. When that disconnect is present, the moral and intellectually integrity of his arguments start to unravel. This is such a piss-poor take that is rooted mostly in emotional appeal with a few deceptive semantic arguments thrown in the mix so he can pretend to stay "on brand" and most plausibly a massive self-report due to his own past experiences.
@@SB-se7vb
Destiny's take is literally the single most ethical and legal take a person could have in this scenario. Outting yourself in real as being a Crowder hate-fucker. Embarrassing for you
He’s being a contrarian for not wanting to jump to conclusions based off disliking crowder as a person. What a fun bandwagon to be apart of
@@friendlypup5650 But at the same time he’s jumping to conclusions in order to remain “neutral” on the clip. Crowder does not look good in this clip no matter how you spin it
@@jamesonpipes wrong
Destiny is being difficult for no reason. It doesn't have to be the case that as soon as the pregnant lady touches a medicine her fetuses are automatically ejected from her uterus for her to be concerned. Even if the medicine said "handle with care", it's perfectly fine for her to ask someone else to give the dog the medicine. It's irrelevant whether the drug is actually dangerous to pregnant people. Maybe she's being paranoid, who gives a fuck. It's your wife, her pregnancy is high risk, she's worried about it and all you have to do is finish smoking your fucking cigar and spend two minutes of your life to give the dog the medicine for your wife to be at ease. Especially since she's perfectly happy to do other chores in the meantime, like go grocery shopping. This should be a complete non-issue.
Also, comparing grocery shopping and handling the medicine is fucking stupid. It's like Destiny doesn't understand people's fears and concernes aren't coming from a rational place and information backed up by statistics. He's so busy being a contrarian he's forgetting to be a human being again.
Yeah he comes off as insanely unempathetic here. Tbh I feel that Destiny is only taking this position to own the leftoids.
So she gets to be irrational because she’s pregnant? It is extremely likely this entire argument isn’t solely about the dog meds. That’s only the surface. It seems to be the case she has issues doing anything around the house even before she was pregnant. So his frustrations with her culminated into this one big moment.
He looks bad in the video but that doesn’t mean he’s an abusive husband. Do you think if anyone released a video of you at your worst moment, that it would be fair to draw conclusions about you just based on a 3 minute video?
@@giovalladares1022 how did you possibly come up with that conclusion when she literally offered to do a chore in place of giving the dog medicine
i agree it’s hard to judge a relationship based on a 5 minute clip, but all these “what ifs” lead to nothing, so this clip coupled with the fact his wife is literally the one divorcing him leaves me to be believe that crowder was the problem in the relationship. and even if his wife was being lazy, that doesn’t excuse the smoking a cigar right in front of her face, telling her she needs to be disciplined, and shouting “I will fuck you up” when she’s trying to leave the house. oh, AND she’s 8 months pregnant. crowder complaining that that she needs to do her wifely duties proposes 0 evidence that she doesn’t do chores, especially since he’s a man with high traditional values so I really doubt he would marry and stay with a woman like that in the first place.
@@fionazhelezko5738 Didn't she file for divorec AFTER she found out that he was seeing a divorce attorney?
@@Throwaway-xr6zd “And no, this was not my choice,' he added. 'My then-wife decided that she didn't want to be married anymore and in the state of Texas, that is completely permitted.”
he literally said this in his own video
Regarding the Crowder video (pinned comment by August): I was the one who came on Destiny explaining this (8:12:10 Kick VOD 4/29/2023) The camera records for 60 seconds guaranteed (unless you set it to something diff like 30 or 90, etc. seconds guaranteed), + roughly 2 second combined buffer before/after to show what happened just before motion begun. After the 60 seconds are up the camera needs to detect motion again. So if after 60 seconds there is no real motion, for X number of seconds, then does X number of seconds will not get captured until new motion begins, even if there was significant motion at 57 seconds (I found Ring forum posts complaining about this). This is why during each cut it does not appear like anyone really moved. Also why the time where the cut begins is right before she starts moving again. That is the new motion being detected. There are 2 time cuts, 41 seconds being cut 0:25, and 8 seconds at 2:34. The cut at 1:31 is not an actual cut, here the timestamp goes back 4 seconds actually, that is because this is what it looks like when the 60 seconds are up but there was motion immediately during the end of the 60 seconds, so the timestamp discrepancy is likely processing and saving, and grabbing a new true timestamp. In conclusion, we can see that there is 1:02 (62s) seconds between each cut which lines up with what the camera does, and we can see that the two actual cuts (0:25 and 2:34) happen when there is no motion and motion starts again. We lost ~48 seconds due to lack of motion, not due to deliberate editing.
Good work Mann!
Maybe it’s just me but if my wife is pregnant and a medication can be toxic to my unborn children I’d say “you know what, let me handle that”
"Your client doesn't have the money to keep Candace Owen's from speaking out"
I'm sorry Candace are you implying that there is actually a price for your silence?
Edit: Also my dog used to have eye drops, and the instructions said not to get on your hands.
Everybody has a price.
@@MuscleboundKage yeah OP made a dumb point, a price could also be a belief or a person
@@MuscleboundKage Does everybody really have a price? I've met so many crazy motherfuckers, that I really can't believe that.
@@jenispizz2556not having a price implies you can’t be bought, not that anyone can afford your price
Everyone’s has a price
Destiny treating grocery shopping like you have to cross the Mojave Desert past some Deathclaws 😂. They probably live in a wealthy upperclass area. The grocery stores are likely very stress free, clean, safe, and easy to navigate.
I live in one of the most violent drug-addicted and poor cities in my state, I have literally never encountered a grocery store that deviates from your description.
I just want to know how he shops to make it a strenuous activity.
Well usually you don't want pregnant women lifting anything
@@oakwood06 Pregnant women also got those electric scooters. Checkout/Stockers can help them with grabbing things from shelves. They’re usually treated the same as elderly in-store.
@@PumpkinJuice69 I'll take your word for it, cause I've never seen an employee constantly help someone pregnant or disabled.
Destiny doesn’t understand emotion unless it benefits him
I mean this is a man who all of a sudden was into open relationships when he met uhhh his new wife.
@@Lonzology He was already promiscuous with other women. Nothing to do with Melina.
@@Lonzology all of a sudden? Oh, so that's why he treated all his other relationships like they were open...
Understanding emotion doesn't make their assertions more or less valid. You guys are actually hypnotized by white women tears lmao
@@Lonzology I'm pretty sure he was in an open relationship with his first wife
Why is it so hard to wait for more information on it...?
Because Destiny will always be ‘waiting for more information’ as a way to handwave abuse. Not to say that ‘waiting for more information’ is bad on its own, but it only ever goes one way with Destiny, which is whatever is the most contrarian position is at the time. My guy is still ‘waiting for more information’ on Amouranth when it’s been god knows how long since then, and for some insane reason he thinks that ‘She does hot tub streams of her own volition’ is some kind of proof that her BF wasn’t ever controlling or abusive and that he was ‘right’ on the situation lmao. Destiny doesn’t care about the truth, he cares about whatever counter-narrative at the moment will cause the most controversy and clip posts on LSF. It’s like watching a TERF say ‘Just wait for the studies showing how miserable people who transition are! No! Not those studies! Not those studies either! Annnnnny minute now the ones proving me right will come out! I’m just waiting for more information is all. I’m so open minded and don’t jump to conclusions you see! Annnnnny minute now!’
@@Vin_Venture896 hardest reach I've ever seen. He's just patient and has common sense
Because people will forget about it in 3 days. News cycle is hyper fast these days. We should wait for info tho.
It's like a primal human instinct to jump to conclusions.
@@Adam-zh4hm 5:51 he can jump to conclusions on owens but we can’t with crowder
Im sorry, but pregnant women arent even allowed to eat fish, you are literally not "allowed" to even touch certain things. Steven is out of line here. Grocery shopping during a pandemic seems risky too, but she said she needed space and he was throwing a fit about things he needed so it kinda makes sense.
It doesn't matter because the point isn't even if it is risky, the point is that you don't KNOW for SURE. So you shouldn't make strong claims about it. That's his whole point. You can't say crowder is being an asshole because he's trying to get his wife to touch toxic dog medicine because you do not know if that medicine is toxic. You can GUESS. But you don't KNOW. That's the issue.
Even if there was 1000 types of dog medication and 999 of them were toxic, you can't say that crowder is making her touch toxic medicine if you simply don't know that he could have the 1/1000. Bring it down to the realistic case where theres a lot of non-toxic medication, and it seems a lot more like people trying to layer on extra things as a dunk independent of proof.
Pregnant women can eat fish and go to the grocery store.
Where the fuck did you get that shit about not eating fish from?
@@tsu9788I think they meant pregnant women cannot eat sushi.
i don't understand why destiny calls aba retarded if he is the one who can't see the emotional coloring, tone of the video...
As someone who's been pregnant twice, Destiny's take on pregnancy is dumb as hell. Women work up until birth because they HAVE to and not because they like to. It's FINE but not optimal. "Your feet swell a little bit and they might be more agitated" etc etc. Sir.
When did he say that women who worked while pregnant liked to? How would that negate anything he said regarding whether or not women can work while pregnant?
Are you suggesting that all women who worked while pregnant didn't want to but had to?
That's a fair point. He even said he might be a little crazy on that one, so I took it with a grain of salt. It doesn't really negate his larger argument or anything, but it's still good hearing from someone who's been through this.
I hope you stick around in this community, because we need more parent perspectives.
Absolutely correct.
Disagree. Just the other week I saw two or 3 pregnant women working out at the gym I work at. You can't tell me those 3 women felt "forced" to go to the gym. Different women deal with pregnancy differently.
He was discussing what was feasible; not what was optimal.
Later destiny would go on to be convened by a viewer that the video is not edited and abanwas right about the ring camera
Really?
@@atetraxx yeah near the end of last nights stream a fan came on who did an analysis of the video and also did some reading on ring forums.
Turns out after seeing movement the camera starts recording for 60 seconds. Then no matter what happens in that time it cut the video. Then it waits for more movement before it does another recording.
Theres also a thing where it try to go back 3 seconds into the last recording and if it sees movement then it will make another video that is slight cut early.
When aba was talking in this aba said he has a ring camera and has had this issue himself, but destiny kinda blew him off here because destiny was frustrated.
He was so fucking certain about that too. After constantly arguing the most unlikely of scenarios with "we just don't know for sure", he was like "it's clearly edited, they're moving the whole time, thinking it went out is a major cope". He gave absolutely no quarter to anyone claiming the camera COULD have just cut out by itself, as if these Amazon smart home products never have any bugs or glitches .
she was 8 months pregnant.... what do you mean going into labor early? she could pop at any moment
Especially with twins
I'm excited to see Crowder grow from this humbling experience to be more tolerant of others and how they live their lives.
If there’s one thing we’ve learnt from crowder by now: you can’t change his mind
LOL. This is one of the best jokes I've heard in a while.
Guys like crowder don’t get humbled or change
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😂😂😂
Yea the pray shit is weird when she tries to use it as a point against them… but she didn’t even pray in that clip 😭
August cut it out and destiny's edgy atheist arc rant too
Not to mention her not saying ANYTHING positive about him in the clip she showed while LAUGHNG at all the jokes about him dying…..
How Candace Owens has stayed partially relevant I will never understand. She started out as a far left idiot trying to collect data for big corporations. Now she pretends to be a far right idiot. Jfc I hate everything she represents. She is a semi-sapient embodiment of grift
@@Super3face how's it edgy with what he said tho
Its like she knows her religion is just a social label and feels like she has to artificially use it as a shield whenever possible
15:03 He's being so disingenuous for the sake of Crowder, WHY? Dave Landau was extremely clear that being late didn't matter most of the time because Crowder and his staff would go over things in another room without him before going on air. Plus they would give him assignments that needed to be ready the next day, which would effect his sleep. Like I get it, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, but Dave's main point was it wasn't about making good content, it was more about control. It's the total lack of empathy that was obviously the problem, not Dave being late or falling asleep on rare occasion due to actual reasons. On top of everything, Dave's past experience with being on a talk show gives you some hint that Crowders show didn't have to be so cut throat to function well. Dave gave a lot more examples of Crowders narcissistic behavior in the interview.
I think Destiny is playing the content game, cause admittedly it would be boring to just acknowledge Crowder is most likely (not for sure) a narcissist.
As someone who breeds dogo Argentino dogs, I can say that 2 of these dogs are very hard to handle and almost impossible for an 8 month pregnant woman to handle without risk. These dogs are twice as large as a pitbull and magnitudes more aggressive with a high hunt drive when it comes to other animals.
Thank you for your input. Do you know what dog they have? Is it a difficult dog?
I know their dog was sick and on its last legs. So I highly doubt your anecdote is relevant.
@Gio Valladares they are dogo Argentino and often suffer from dysplasia in the joints of the back legs. It is usually treated with anti inflammatory drugs in the form of pills.
@@EllinasEthnikistisXAsick own
Or maybe they just have to put the stuff in some treats. But hey, I guess that isn't an acceptable scenario when you want to make everything the worst.
@usucdik I don't know what to think about this situation. Crowder looks bad but who knows. I just commented on the type of dogs and the ability of a pregnant woman to walk them. As for the dog medicine, I know some are toxic to pregnant woman but we still don't know what the medication is. Personally I wouldn't risk it if my wife was pregnant.
I agree with the orbiters. Destiny goes all "I don't know if any of you have ever interacted with a pregnant woman" while it's clearly him that has no clue. At 8 months with twins her wishes are everyone else's commands, come the fuck on. You don't debate bro that shit asking for studies proving that some dog medication might be bad for the pregnancy, what cringe is this!?
(Then again, I'm also from a country where pregnant women working until hours before delivery is seen as barbarism, so maybe it's just US things.)
Definitely US things. Work culture here is all about work work work. If you are using your sick days you better be dying or have Covid, or else you're lazy. Vacation is for people who 'earn' it. Breaks at work are circumvented whenever possible.
Her wishes aren’t anyone else’s shit, but regardless if handling medication is apparently off the table despite us having no information whether the issue was the toxicity of the medication then how is driving any better?
@@yorhahoudini4531 I'm not going to debate bro that stupid point. You're right, we do not have evidence either way, super deep point. Now, if you ever grow up, leave your basement and try to procreate, please do yourself a favor and take care of your pregnant wife.
It doesn't matter if the medicine is dangerous. What matters is her fear and discomfort. Crowders is an ass even if the medication is harmless.
The only reason I don’t agree with a lot of what destiny says is because I have Never heard him once say “ oh yeah I was wrong about that mb “ or tell someone he is debating “ oh you are right actually” he is more focused on being a contrarian and right rather than having an actual conversation where he also can admit his flaws in argument or opinion.
no he does this often he just usually states he doesnt knowor if hes what hes talking about unlike 99% of people. He actually did just this in the recent video with sundae and whick about whatevre the fuck it was.
Because he’s not wrong on anything
Well, he said he was wrong in the pokimane/fed situation. That's why he's careful of making assumptions.
Stardust and Lycan are both brazenly fabricating information to support their arguments here and you want Destiny to admit to being wrong or to concede that they were right? I hope whatever you're smoking is illegal.
His stated position is "I don't know" and they are attacking that position. Every attack against his position is defended with "Is there actual relevant information to base an opinion on?" and they either have nothing or make something up. Why would he cede anything here? He very frequently in this conversation says "It could be the case" which IS ceding to them, but with the caveat of "I don't know" still being the ACTUALLY CORRECT underlying position to have. They continue to fight against that position because you can't virtue signal as easily if you're not siding with the white woman with no pushback.
EVERY attack against his position is either misrepresenting his position or includes speculation / fabricating facts. "I don't know" is the ONLY reasonable position to have here.
Yeah at best he'll admit it in like 2 weeks when he doesn't care anymore, but he gets 100% emotionally involved in the moment and can't just realise when he's digging dumbass holes for himself because he's triggered
Basically every argument destiny usually makes could easily be refuted with “but you dont even know.” This really feels like destiny working out his feelings from past relationships in real time.
Destiny is taking a fat L
@@IAmAllEyes Nah he is right. This video was leaked to make Crowder look as bad as possible. Why not leak even more Videos when they got Ring cams? What happend after the Video? Before?
He looks like a piece of shit in this video, sure. But we have 0 info about anything but these few minutes.
No, that is HIS argument.. he's humble and says when he's speculating and try to motivate his statements, whilst other people claim a certain truth without sufficient evidence
@@Grimsheed he sure seemed certain the video was edited. I wish someone had said but you dont even know
@@Thismaybetheyearidissappear sure, but regardless if it is edited or not, parts of the video is "missing" and I argue that not the whole context is available at this time
I can’t lie, the back half of his argument was where he started to lose me.
Agreed.
On his show, Crowder uses metaphors a lot. He’ll go on his politically driven monologue about something, state a premise up front, and then use that premise as an analogy at the end.
“Put on the gloves” could be referring to handling toxic medication.
“Put on the gloves” could be about metaphorical boxing gloves, and he’s saying “fight for your conservative principles”.
Destiny missed a lot of obvious points like this because of how triggered the others were making him.
Bro do you not understand that it’s possible Crowders wife is being unreasonable in the clip??? You literally have zero context.
@@Benbones99 zero context besides the clip, the family's statement, and crowder's past behavior.
@@Benbones99 The amount of brain holes to not see the context already is amazing to read from people like you lol.
@@craigash189 being an insufferable asshole doesn't necessarily make him an abuser.
I feel like Destiny is missing, either intentionally or unintentionally, what Crowder said. He didn’t just say to put on gloves if she’s committed. He ALSO said, “….and walk the dogs”. As someone who was married and had 3 children in 3 separate pregnancies, certain things a can be more manageable than others for pregnant women. Walking dogs, even if in disagreement (and I endured a few turmoil ridden pregnancies), if you’re not a total dick, walking the dogs when your wife is pregnant with twins is not asking too much. I’ve worked 12+ hour shifts and came home and cleaned my house and did other things with the children while my pregnant wife went grocery shopping. It happens. And there’s nothing wrong Crowder being asked to do things he didn’t want to do while they were having issues when she’s THAT far along. From experience. When your child is involved, all that other stuff goes out the window. Destiny isn’t being reasonable or charitable when he says “well why would she go grocery shopping then?”. He’s being as irrational as he claims others are being. When you here “grocery shopping” he’s thinking of getting a bunch of stuff. She could just be getting a few items for the home, things that won’t be too strenuous or that she knows she can handle. Every pregnant woman is aware of what they can and cannot do. So for her, walking the dogs is too much (and any self respecting man wouldn’t make his pregnant partner do that when they’re possible of being in labor at any moment). Going grocery shopping is not. Especially when, as Destiny keeps saying “we don’t know” what she was getting. She clearly was trying to get away from him which is why she stated “I will be back when I’m back”. She was making it clear that she would not rush to return. She tried to reset and disarm the tension by stating “I love you, I’m committed to you”. It’s not gaslighting. She’s trying to stop the argument so she can go.
Feels like none of these people have ever been in a functioning relationship before. This is all simple to understand if you e ever been in a relationship or had issues.
This message didn't do what you think it did😂😂🤡🤡
Finding the meaning in everything the woman said is not easy but it is easy to see that Crowder was obviously being cruel to his wife.
@@avivastudios2311 pretty much
@@izzy32324 for a simpleton and inexperienced person such as yourself, wouldn’t expect it to.
You have no clue about their personal lives and are just making assumptions. What if 'I'll be back when I'm back' means she's going to a friends place, and she'll be back sometime tomorrow? Or in a couple days? He specifically mentions being frustrated with his life being on a minute to minute schedule and her not being able to give him an estimate. Also saying 'I love you' can mean more than you're implying, especially in an argument. She could be trying to de-escelate, or she could have a pattern of saying 'I love you' to end arguments and not hear out his side. Or she could have a pattern of saying/doing abusive things then trying to make it better by telling him how much she loves him. Steven Crowder is a piece of shit, but that doesn't mean we should just take this one video as the entirety of their marriage. Especially when there could be some serious baggage coded into this argument that we just have no idea about.
No joke Destiny kinda blew up after he got the blue hair. He should keep it
Yeah its kind of grown on me too
It's always hilarious seeing people in the comments use his hair to dismiss him outright, like they're being profound.
Kinda filters out the idiots when the first comment they say about the video is about the "SJW Hair."
The joke is dead homie move on its not 2016 anymore
I just see it as a ninja wannabe could care less about the sjw part, he’s hardly a sjw
Yeah disagree with destiny here, if your pregnant wife is anxious about giving the dog medicine just fucking give the dog the medicine, it’s not that hard and it’s unreasonable not to given the ease and her anxiety.
From my understanding the Dog medicine thing isnt that its a strenuous activity like Destiny is implying, but that its an uneccessary risk for someone who's pregnant. Even if theres barely any risk, why risk it? Like which is more believeable, she doesnt want to because its too physically strenuous for her, or she doesnt want to because its an unecessary risk?
We watched the same video yet here you are retaining none of it
@@yopizzawolf Explain what I said that was wrong then.
@@dylankempthorne (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE)
Okay, so she shouldn't be doing anything at all, all day long then? Oh i'm pregnant i'm gonna just stay in bed for the next 3 months. You don't have ANY context as to their relation that's the whole point destiny is making. ALL of these claims and speculations are just that, random guesses! Stop!
@@HeyArlo No she just shouldnt be taking uneccesary risks. Its a high risk pregnancy (twins), and shes very far along. Stop being dense. She was willing to go to the store so its clear she can do some things.
Im not even on destiny's side fully but it genuinely feels like stardust and lycan weren't actually taking in a word that destiny was saying
Yeah, was frustrating to listen too.
I mean, I'm listening to Destiny right now and my brain is rotting, this is probably one of the worst takes I have ever heard from him ever
Lycan hadn't actually watched the 3 minute video lmao
to be fair its hard to listen to retarded takes.
My daughter works at a veterinary clinic, and she were prevented from handling any medications from the moment they knew she were pregnant. She were prevented and covered by her coworkers from any medication for the pets they treated. And yes some of the medication is given through syringes, and the worst thing that could happen is that the pet gets cranky and the needle pokes her. Because of the safety for both the baby and her, they don’t take any chances, big or small.
Destiny gets obnoxious by the day, this shouldn’t even be a debate. Could there be more to the video than what we are being led to believe? yea of course. As an adult can I look at a 3 minute video and recognize someone is being abusive towards their significant other ? Yes. This is not a murder trial I don’t need for more evidence to be revealed or to come out.
Definitely more below the surface here. Destiny throwing logic and getting so triggered. There's something personal here or else he plans to defend Crowder publicly for personal gain later on when this blows over
They were married for 10 years. You watched a 3 minute recording. A heavily edited recording with no context (the beginning and end of the argument are not included). A recording selectively leaked by one party to a journalist clearly bent on making Crowder look as bad as possible.
This was filmed 1 month before the texts where they formally talk about separation. Ie this is at the very, very end of their marriage when by definition everything is falling apart.
It is premature to judge based on this.
Maybe crowder is as bad as this 3 min clip makes him look. Maybe not. The leaked 2 min video from Amber Heard had half the planet calling Jonny Depp a textbook abuser/narcissist/psychopath etc. Then more info came iut that dramatically altered this calculation.
Maybe they are BOTH horrible. Maybe neither of them are.
@@bluecoffee8414 facts
@@bluecoffee8414 " a heavily edited recording"
"... selectively leaked by one party to a journalist clearly bent on making Crowder look as bad a possible"
Source?
Idk why you guys think people are JUST NOW deciding to jump to conclusions on crowder, like no one thought he was a POS before this clip? I’m not even calling him abusive nd y’all act like it’s so unfair for me to call him a POS, knowing what I know about him (I don’t need a SIDE or clip) exactly how destiny is saying at 5:51 about Candace owens, is how I feel about crowder, but I need more context for that?
You need more context to call him an abusive pos husband, yes.
@@CisternRumblings Did we not see a video of him being a verbally abuse husband? 'Him' being a man that has literally made a living off of being a hateful pos? 'Him' being a man that said women shouldn't be allowed to choose having a divorce? In a video HE MADE to make himself look good? What the fuck type of context is missing?
@@CisternRumblingslmfaoooo this guy just said why cant I just tarnish somebody's name and slander them with no context ??
@@izzy32324 lol they have no shame
@@CisternRumblingsdid y'all not even read the comment?
Destiny doesn’t need to die on this hill so hard LOL
Yes he does. He’s 1000% correct
@@friendlypup5650 he's not, because bro is working off The same information as the others but pretending they are somehow more wrong for believing the opposite side of the situation as firmly as he believes Crowders side
@@yoyyoy6376 he’s not saying they’re wrong. He’s saying nobody should be confident to make assumptions based off a 3 minute video when there are so many other explanations that could change the context
@@friendlypup5650agreed. We've literally all seen this before with heard vs Depp. Whole lot of people ended up looking very dumb when they believed the jilted partner. Just wait for more info, be skeptical at first when it's he said she said. Some people will just continue making this mistake and then acting like it's nothing when it blows up on them. Kudos to destiny.
Neither does anyone he's arguing with.
The crazy thing is the person releasing the video decides which video to release and how much of it.
Am I the only one who thinks “Chowder” every time I see “Crowder”? I would unironically watch a show named “Louder with Chowder”
I'd watch that
CHOWDAH, PASS ME THE MG-42!
i think coward
Rada rada?
@@TCVB491 That show was fun haha.
Obviously Destiny has never tried to hold down a 90lb dog to shove a pill down their throat, or have him drag you around the block. As a medical professional, most medications should not be handled by pregnant women. Unlike you, I have had a high risk pregnancy, and being stuck at home was not healthy. I would do the groceries, but my hubby walked the dog, so that I wasnt alone on a street somewhere and have pregnancy complications.
Weird, I've had dogs and had to give them medication, one of those dogs was an English mastiff, none of them had to be held down, there's ways of giving a dog medicine without shoving it down their throats
What type of medical professional are you?
@@Originalchili are you a pregnant woman, Jeremy?
@@Originalchili Well, if you've never had to do it that must mean nobody has ever had a dog that was difficult to give medication to or difficult to walk. Since you've had dogs, you've clearly gained knowledge on how all dogs behave and there couldn't possibly be deviation from your experiences anywhere in the world depending on the breed, sex, age, or temperament of the individual dogs. Nope, all the same.
I think everyone over thinking this shit lol she didn’t care about the dogs or grocery shopping he was being a dick and she was trying to get the fuck away from him and he was preventing her from leaving with the car
As a person who was subbed to crowder, that video did make me uncomfortable and made me consider him a POS (still could be), but watching Destiny's take on this situation brought me back to reason... the video is years old with alot of context missing while they were already going thought divorce and people are willing to dog pile because they care about hating him more that being consistent.
I always heard about you destiny but i think I'll be subscribed to you as well, you are being consistent even when people in your sphere hate you for it.
Knowledge
Very true. He's one of the few voices on the left who put up good arguments for what they believe in and stands his ground on his principles.
As a fan of Crowder did you ever really get the impression that he was a "good person." I was once a fan of him for a little bit, but even then I could tell the guy was a bit of a prick. Even without full context what Crowder said to his wife here is horrible. My Grandfather was very very conservative and probably would agree with a lor of Crowders politics, but he would never ever treat my grandmother that way or treat her as if she is inferior to him. You can think what you want, but I absolutely do think it is fair to judge Crowder for this
@@bigwig252 I’m sure if we clipped all the fights you’ve had in your life, all the hateful and regretful shit you’ve said in your life, we clipped 3 mins from one of those fights, and then spread it to world for judgment. You’d be perfectly fine with that right?
Fair, reasonable and rational to judge someone’s mannerism, worth and righteousness based off of a 3 min video during a divorce.
I’m sorry but I don’t believe any of you who sit here and claim they have never said hateful shit to someone in their lives at some point in their lives that could be comparable to this.
It doesn’t excuse Crowders word, it just humanizes them….
It’s the TH-cam clinical psychologist that are extremely patronizing and annoying.
It would be unethical for a psychologist who is qualified to analyze a video like this, to take this 3 min video and make a judgement…..
So why is it ok for you, a layman, to think it wouldn’t not only be unethical for you to do so, but also irresponsible since you have no qualifications to make a judgment on someone’s marriage and “abusive tendencies”
okay destiny saying the covid thing was sooooo dumb LMAO
Stardust: "I'm just going to talk about that 3 minute video"
Stardust 1 minute later: it's a high risk pregnancy, he admitted X, Y and Z, [insert 10 other arguments that weren't in that video].
/facepalm.
😂😂😂
These people are ludicrous. We don't even know if he was just making a point attached to a larger argument. I mean there's a million possible narratives here and they convince themselves they have all the info they need. Even though if this exact same video existed with Hasan instead of Crowder they'd ask all these questions.
Um ahhhh b-b-but….Jesus Christ it’s bad enough she has dog shit takes but the delivery takes it to the level of screwdriver in my ears.
well stardust's claim to fame has never been her brains
Which is exactly what destiny is doing being overly charitable to crowder.
Somehow, repeatedly in this conversation "she doesn't want to handle what may dog medicine that may be toxic to her unborn children" gets translated into "she's a helpless bedridden baby who can't do anything for herself for the last 3 months of her pregnancy" and I don't know how.
i would go 1 step back how did "she didn't want to wear gloves" get translated into "she doesn't want to handle what may dog medicine that may be toxic to her unborn children"
Based Lycan dropping in with the "what if you're just nice to your wife?"
the take is braindead. it only makes sense if you assume there's no context to their 10 yr marriage, like a pattern of using excuses to systematically avoid taking on responsibilities.
@@TCSyndicate ah the old Christian value where it's ok to be shitty to your wife as long as there is history and context for it
Destiny got baited into defending Crowder here.
He should have remained steadfast in his agnostic stance in the altercation.
Whatever caveat he made at the beginning was long forgotten by the time they talked about dog medications.
True, he was best just sticking to it only being footage of a fight close to the end of their marriage.
I don't know how much we can get just from this but he's stuck arguing every point and making his own assumptions.
She probably wants to go grocery shopping to get away from Steven lol I know I would
Then why not take an uber?
@@thrash208 she’d probably fit better in an Uber compared to the drivers seat anyhow
@@thrash208 Because having the car gives her the freedom to go whever she wants without worrying about catching other Ubers elsewhere and back home. That'll just cause another argument probably, "Why are you spending x amount of money on Uber?"
@@junk1308 i mean he literally told her to grab an Uber.
@@thrash208 The point is that if she wants to go multiple places to relax after dealing with him, it would be better if she had the car. Have you ever been to a shopping center before? I know you don't walk all the way from one section to the next one if they're somewhat far apart right? And if the next store you want to go to is across the stroad from the one you're at now, you definitely don't want to cross those kinds of streets. It's unsafe, especially when you're pregnant.
For someone who wants to wait for more information before calling out a bigot, and is even willing to go so far as to Stan for the guy, he is completely ok climbing out onto a thin branch to discuss pregnancy related complications. Destiny put his foot in his mouth when he generalized from the women he's known and the branch broke. I agree with his principle, but if it was actually principled then don't even discuss it until the evidence is sufficient for you to opine.
Holy shit this has been entertaining. I really know nothing about Crowder but whatever leads to high energy shouting match right
Destiny is losing the plot in this thing. Why defend him at all? It's not a big deal. It's just a rocky relationship. Maybe he is getting butthurt because he knows his fighting with Mel would be way worse. Don't condone or condemn any of it. Just say it's goofy behavior and move on.
EXACTLY.
Goofy? 😋
@@avivastudios2311 getting upset over something minute like that is goofy as fuck.
Your plot sucks. Please dont write books lol
Regarding why she couldn't walk the dog, but could grocery shop. One is outside the other is inside. What was the temperature? (It looked warm/hot and sunny) Is the dog jumpy and does it pull the leash? And it's not about being physically able, stress can really screw with a pregnancy. And if this guy preaches about being traditional, he should be doing the bulk of the physical labor. (Also I think she wanted to leave to just get away from him for a few hours, he looks like such a headache to be around, I can't blame her)
Yeah this is actually a great point, you know why tho right? Because there are many factors that we don't know about, so why make ANY claims at all? Wait for more information. Period. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
Or it could just be that she's a lazy entitled pos like 99% of women
I don't think stressing a pregnant woman like that can be good. Not that I really gaf about crowder, his kids and the woman who decided to marry him.
Y’all’s hatred for a guy who gives his opinions on the internet is insane lmao
@YuRMoMiNHD what hatred. A bit hyperbolic, don't you think.
I just don't understand how a couple this wealthy doesn't have their own hired driver for her, what's the point in being rich if you're going to drive one car?
@joshecker6907 i suspect it's a control thing, he probably doesn't want her to have that freedom.
@@joshecker6907 how rich is he?
I actually don’t know if Candace Owens misrepresents things on purpose. I used to think that but I came to the conclusion that she just isn’t that intelligent. She’s so wrong on so many things, I just can’t believe that she does it on purpose.
This makes her a perfect fit for the Daily Wire.
They’re all smart. She knows what she’s doing. They’re deliberate in doing things to maximize placating to their audience so they earn more money. Simple.
@@swaggitypigfig8413 bro you literally DONT KNOW THAT you can’t say that without CONTEXT
I can
She already has a track record
Question is how she managed to swindle the entire Daily Wire crew
There's no universe where these people AREN'T intelligent. Think whatever else you want about them, but the mere fact that they are in their positions at all is PROOF that they are _extremely_ intelligent.
33:09 " i only want to go by what's in the recording". But nobody mentioned pet meds in the ring video 😂
The chat had me rolling when that dude walked by "whatsup".
"Keep your voice down around Mels Bull" lololol
Lmao
It’s not a sign of abuse it literally is by definition psychological and emotional abuse. Destiny is just being a dumb contrarian here. It’s true that we can’t make inferences about the entire relationship, but that’s a strawman. No one is saying that except in response to Destiny. People are upset because the video shows abuse, and nothing the wife did could justify that. This dude’s intelligence isn’t impressive I don’t get why his fans worship the ground he walks on.
Exactly bruhh if your partner ask you to do something and you dont if their response is “you dont love me” thats literally emotional manipulation but Destiny likes toxic relationships so he could never admit that bc it would make him sound like a hypocrite as he has had public arguments w chicks he’s been with were he probably said worse
Gee with takes like this I truly wonder why Destiny's first marriage didnt work out!
I also keep wondering instead of knowing things.
Idk...... Maybe his 1st wife didn't want to screw everyone while he watched..... like his new wife does! 🤷 I don't really know much about his first wife.
>They didn't watch the video
It's like Rittenhouse all over again lol.
Jesus, Destiny’s small rant over praying was wild LMAO especially in this case, what else can they do? Lmaoooo I get his point, but not in this case, when there’s a surgery there’s nothing else you can do lmao
probably do nothing over praying (which is also doing absolutly nothing) and then getting an ego boost from it. Did they really do anything besides going online and boasting how good they are? They just used it for cookie points online without doing anything.
@@vovakorotkikh5161 I know this is crazy, but people actually believe in God. So they’re doing the only thing available to them. Saying “because it does nothing” isn’t a valid reason. And mind reading their intentions isn’t a point in your favor. They could be encouraging others to pray for him as well.
Prayer has been studied and shown to have improved results in patients. Placebo affect is real even if you’re an atheist edge lord.
@@giovalladares1022 Source check?
@@vovakorotkikh5161 Are you seriously that distraught people reaching out via their faith through prayer? Only time I hear people getting upset over the action of prayer is the david pakmans and destiny's of the world. Who Unironically call you bad if don't prescribe to their policy X or Activism Y as a cost of praying? Get a grip and stop being so shallow. How many times do you hear the same youtubers jerk themselves raw on their ideological stances but don't follow through on their activism? Destiny is probably better then most however the only reason he is taking umbridge with prayer is cause he is allowing his atheism to grip him entirely. Sure there is a difference between taking issue with people abusing the notion of prayer vs. just praying however I don't think you guys care either way you just hate the notion of prayer and religion.
@Gio Valladares I think that's their point tho, the praying is the least form of help or encouragement compared to what you could do. You could make them some food, buy them some flowers, mow their lawn for them, dude i could make a massive list of nice things you could do. I mean if you wanna call blessing someone with placebo effect doing something lol I'll give that to ya, but let's not pretend it has anywhere near the effect of actual help.
I'm so confused by destiny here. Why is he pretending that he doesn't know anything about emotion or caring about a partner? He keeps screaming "YOU DONT KNOW" but he doesn't know either. Is he the only one that is allowed to speculate on what is going on?
I am not saying the wife is a saint. But to dig his heels in so far that he tossed all his logic out of the window about pregnancy and women health risks is insane. I honestly feel like this is projection from him because the arguments he doing here is so unlike him.
I have never seen him double down so hard to the point that he seems unaware of layers of emotions, health, biology and reason. There is always a chance of anything being something else, but he usually argues from a point of likelihood and not absurd what ifs. What if she has a dog Crowder hates and he doesn't want to keep it from dying, is absurd argument from destiny. Sure we don't know, but what is the likelihood of that being the case?
That dog comment is so stupid, I didnʼt even realise/see when he said it.