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I'm so tired of seeing Lav just speak. Like she opens her mouth and vomit BS non stops. She is such a shitty person and she pretends tk be a victim. It's BS. And I'm tired of it. It's not even good gor content anymore. It's just a fucking lunatic woman saying dumb shit and setting women back decades.
I keep wanting to take people off social media and hear the conversation they’d have if they were strangers, stuck on an elevator during a natural disaster, and forced to collaborate for two days to escape the building successfully.
Lav: 'makes a public ridiculous claim about Destiny' People: 'Ok what reason or reasons make you publicly say that' Lav: 'omg why are you holding me to this standard for needing evidence for everything I say, publicly??'
It just depends on the claim, if I claim I ate a burrito for lunch, pretty safe to assume that to be true without evidence, if I say someone is sleeping with another person or is a sexual abuser you’re gonna need to back that claim up with evidence.
@@guitardedism Whoa whoa whoa, I can buy the second claim uncritically but I'm gonna need some sources that support that you ate a burrito for lunch. I just don't think it's very likely that you actually did.
Yeah, this streaming debate space is just digging her into a deeper hole with every appearance she makes. I think she should do something else creatively with the following she has to build a healthier platform/audience over time, rather than milking drama for no merit.
Bro I am catching up on Destiny: That's a girl's name: the show and you are so right hahahahaha. I was like. "man they got the one life to live writers on this." Best drama
Sad thing is the dude must of sold his soul to write this season because since then its been pretty bland "outside of the divorce which was more boring than i thought it would be". I was hoping that he would bring in some more crazies after mel left but it seems hes finally learning lol.
Let this be a lesson to all observers, People like Lav are out there and exist. Associating with them in any respect is social suicide, Destiny is merely lucky in that he navigated the situation just right so that there is no real fuel to the fire. Imagine if he hadn't gone above and beyond? Someone that will victimize themselves to escape accountability is barely a person imo
A coworker found his fiance cheating on him. Caught them in the act. He whipped out his phone and streamed the confrontation to Facebook Live. The dude she was with ended up filing charges against him and even in the complaint essentially said he was just doing it to get her to leave him alone. My coworker ended up getting arrested and spent several days in jail, and is now facing prison time if convicted on charges of assault, domestic battery, and aggravated burglary. They were engaged and had a child together and he had just bought a house for them and she is now telling people that he was always abusive, she never loved him, and they were just "cohabitating". They had been together for almost 10 years. Engaged for 2. Bitches be crazy, man.
Just don't be a man whore like Destiny, you won't have women like this in your life. Ezpz. A lot of man whores never spend time fixing themselves before finding the last chick in his line of women that he ends up marrying... its so weird how a lot of those relationships don't work out.
@@nocuh What a perfect analogy. I can just picture someone playing tetris and just spam placing blocks because they are desperate to dig themselves out of a hole which was cause by a single T block they misplaced. The overreaction and constant digging she's doing is 100% someone who isn't good at Tetris trying to bounce back lol.
Lav has a HUGE tell.... everytime she says "Steven", every time she tells people to slow down, everytime she stalls... she's about to lie. 100 percent.
She does that mostly when Destiny says something that she had the ability to disagree with but he gish gallops to another point. Not that she could respond anyways. Frustrating to deal with someone who honestly can't keep up with how fast you're speaking only to lie and deflect once they cat ch up.
Don't forget to get the whole chat to stop, give a nice long pause before she gets control of the conversation again. Possibly even holding a finger up.
Lav wanting to be able to attack Destiny without ever receiving any backlash is maddening to me. She does that thing where she is attacking his character and then when he pushes back she has to go off on "I'm scared right now, I'm overwhelmed, can we just have a nice conversation, I have mental illness".
EXACTLYYYY this is so infuriating to me. Correct me if I’m wrong, Destiny watched her say in the last live that he Needed to be STOPPED and that it was a MATTER OF TIME UNTIL SOMEONE DIES and that she thinks about that OFTEN. But in this video she’s an innocent butterfly she wasn’t making any claims or statements and wasn’t insinuating that he was malicious in his intent. So fake and she deserves so much hate for the way she can’t stay consistent on anything, especially when it’s blatant demonization of a large streamer.
I 100% believe she trashtalked her own fiance to Destiny. Everything she has done, proves she is exactly the kind of person who will shittalk everyone behind their back. Why should her fiance then be off limit. Im so amazed he is still with her.
@@patty40897 Yep, lucky for her, Destiny moved on and gave her an out. But what I definatly did not hear her say is "Yeah let me hear what you're talking about so I can determine whether or not it's a lie".
Lav's lack of accountability is actually disgusting. She has been observably complicit in collaborating with Max on this article and then she gets on camera and says "oh it's not me writing it, it's Max" knowing full well she has provided information for the purpose of smearing Destiny as an abuser.
The most disgusting thing is thatthey are recorded words from her own mouth and she still play her games. Imagine knowing her in real life, without vods to fact check her words, there is no way to make her take any shred of accountability.
@@nguyendi92 was literally thinking this. i feel bad for any person who has any interpersonal relationships with her in real life. All she probably does is gaslight them into believing she didnt say things that she did, play victim and use her baby voice and crying to emotionally manipulate people so they feel pity for her so she can avoid all accountability.
Lav is absolutely ridiculous how many times can she immediately contradict herself after every freaking sentence!? She’s gonna be a dangerous Karen later. I’d be willing to bet money she gets someone in major trouble in less than 5 years
I mean, if Destiny wasn’t as experienced as he is, he would be in huge trouble right now. Not because it’s true, obviously, but because she’s voicing her shitty opinion about these things. Honest to god, I don’t know what people who watch her get out of it other than a few cum stains here and there. She isn’t informed or mature enough for her voice to be meaningful in this space. When I learned that she was in a cult for years, I was everything but surprised.
I feel sorry for that fiance. Even if their relationship is/was good, she's sabotaging it. Legit I think Lav is dishonest out of stupidity, not with some nefarious motive. Max on the other hand, will exploit her to the end. At one point I was a little sympathetic to Lav until she became his daughter, it's just weird. She tied herself to a donkey show.
25:47 and this is the moment that Lav totally lost it. Im so curious what she said and its so clear that it happened. Especially when Destiny asked her if he should quote what she said to see if hes lying and she goes "........YOU'RE BLACKMAILING ME" Imagine being so bad at lying you go from "That never happened" to "You're blackmailing me" in a matter of just a few sentences. If it truly was false and Destiny was lying, why would you ever claim someone is blackmailing you with evidence that you JUST DENIED EXISTED. Mixed with the random performative scream at the beginning, shes so bad at lying. I hope Destiny uses this in the future, because that seemed like it made her heart skip a few beats. Wouldn't even be surprised if its something stupid like "he has a small dicc lul"
Not sure how I didn't catch that before, the fact that she accuses him of threatening/blackmailing her is a self-report, because if Destiny was lying there'd be no reason to fight against it, because he'd have no proof. And Destiny thinks this girl is intelligent.
Lav: Steven used me as his therapist when he was struggling with Melina Also Lav: what?! You absolutely cannot talk about my fiance. I can't believe you'd go that low.
Bro him and Melina are just married by law. That marriage might as well not be a thing with Destiny sleeping around the clock with a bunch of other women and Melina doing the same with other guys
@@GeometryDashKenaz You weirdos saying shit like this constantly just sound dumb. Just because YOU hinge your entire relationship on exclusive sex with that person that doesn't mean that two people that love eachother but prefer to be open sexually somehow might as well not be married. You don't understand it because it isn't your preference or life, but that doesn't mean you have some insight or a place to comment due to that. Also even if what you said were true what the fuck does that have to do with the point in this comment?
@@konrTF He's trying to say Lav is a hypocrite for bringing up Steven's spouse while she doesn't want anyone bringing up her fiancé. That's not hypocritical when 1) She didn't have a fiance at the time when Destiny was f ing around with her and 2)Unlike Steven she's actually treating the guy like she's about to marry him and not like another body for sex which is exactly how Destiny treats Melina. And you can f*ck off with that bs about not understanding open relationships because it's "not my preference". These relationships statistically don't work out as well as closed 1:1 relationships for both parties and children. I don't have to have that preference to know that it's a messy shit storm
Adding the receipts for when she lies is great. Hate that she can lie, deflect when it’s pointed out, then get upset that dest won’t take accountability. Real mid tier energy
@@bliss7470 her attitude is not justifiable. Just because she’s a women has nothing to do with her dark intentions. I know many women who don’t do such things.
@@LIGhostIL115 I honestly thought Bliss was memeing. But I looked at his other comments and I think he was being serious. That was not misogynistic. Her lying, gaslighting and deflecting has nothing to do with her gender. Personally I’m ashamed to share a gender with her.
Shes not a good manipulator. Shes just doing the same thing children regularly do. “Did you draw on the table?” “No…” “Who drew on the table?” “I don’t know, it wasn’t me, I didn’t do anything wrong.” She just doesn’t want any blame whatsoever.
I honestly think from how she is acting and her facial expressions.... she may of not detoxed off those drugs. If she isn't high on something I would be shocked.
I love how Lav is walking back EVERY SINGLE thing she has said in other conversations about Destiny. She's so ready to accuse him but then whem confronted she caveats everything into oblivion.
Lav: I have issues with what happened Destiny: What did I do wrong to cause those issues? Lav: Well nothing in particular i think I just had bad boundaries Destiny: So I did nothing wrong? Lav: Well no i cant accept that because then it seems like its all MY fault Lav just cant accept that her issues with Destiny are her own fault
how has all this ended? did this mr. girl guy actually publish something? where can I see the fall out from it? if I had to guess, seems like Destiny is an alright guy, but should really put bigger boundaries between work and life. unless these guys are co-habituating, I don't see a reason things should get this intimate.
@@eyallev Mr.girl released the 10,000 word hit piece which was essentially a nothing burger. Nobody anywhere took it seriously. Destiny reacts to Chudlogic reading it, so if you search "Chudlogic, destiny, mr girl article" I'm sure you'll find it. Both Lav and Mr.girl were removed from Destiny's sphere, his orbiters sphere's, and since Destiny hosted Mr.girl on his website, also from streaming. Destiny is kind of a freak, and says he never feels more alive than when someone is trying to destroy his life lmao. Everybody and I mean EVERYBODY was telling him both these people were not good, but oh well. He is certainly a good guy, but just thrives in combative spaces. He wasnt co-habituating with Lav or Mr.girl , but considered them genuine friends before everything went down.
@@eyallev Mr Girl did publish the article, I think it was on his website. It was crazy long and contained almost no information that wasn't already public knowledge. I think 40% of the article was about Lav. The excitement blew over within a week.
You can easily replicate the same dynamic in a real life relationships, doesn't have to be online streamer drama. I'm sure she'll find a way to get attention anywhere she goes.
@@Ventanty as someone diagnosed with BPD (among others) that has been dismissed and been seen as manipulative with zero attempt to clarify why, I have extra hate for people like Lav that just continue to perpetuate BPD as this blanket "let them die alone" disorder.
Destiny was right when he said that Lav is the absolute least accountable person on the internet. Every single clear and demonstrated charge against her, she either twists it to make herself sound like the victim, the good guy, or turns it around somehow. That's some textbook narcissism right there, no two ways about it.
"Steven, I'm not assisting anyone, I just gave him our fucking logs" A line delivered with a straight face, as if it was supposed to exonerate her some how, when it in fact proves she IS helping mr. girl. I think I am experiencing true misogyny for the first time in my life. She has every awful trait a woman could have personality wise rolled into one unfortunate human being.
This is probably worst thing she did. She sent to another person whiteout any consent tons of private messages, and she tells now there was nothing wrong with it? Mr Girl has no fucking authority, he's not a Police, not a private detective, he's just a random creepy guy with agenda. What's even worse, she can't pinpoint at any single thing that Destiny did towards her that was coercive or abusive. She's didn't accused him of anything, she just implies bunch of shit, or was perfectly silent when Mr Girl was making the accusations, because what, she felt hurt? She let him gaslit her into thinking she must've been abused so she sent him everything she has so he can confirm that for her? That's just batshit crazy.
When Lav accused Steven of blatantly lying and was acting all disgusted (maybe she was too) I laughed out loud the whole way through. Holy shit she is brain dead if she cannot see it.
That's when he broke her. She was pretty good at pretending and putting him on defence all the way through but at that moment, especially when he started saying 'do you want me to say them and you can say which isnt true', she knows that she's fucked and is desperately clinging to that act of confusion while at the same time not being able to think of how to escape🤣🤣🤣
@@depressedessendonfan5702 The dead silence when Destiny asks really demonstrates all that you need to know about whether she was talking shit about her fiance or not.
She calls him a liar for bringing up she shit talked her own Fiance to him,, he says "want me to prove I'm not lying?" and then asks her to confirm if what hes about to say she said about her own fiance is true or not, and she calls that "blackmail" LMFAO. You can't make a claim about someone, and when they challenge the claim in a way you don't like, call it blackmail.
Kids, this is a prime example of a human being that you don't want to be. Make sure, when you see behavior like this, to not let it slide. Lav literally goes back on everything she says and then gets mad that people don't understand her and that people are misrepresenting the meaning behind her words and actions, even though the meaning is obvious to anyone.
Do let it slide. Walk away. Get the fuck out. Maybe even run away. You don't have save everyone and you definitely don't want to let them drag you into the abyss with them.
@@williamumbranox7217 Normalize dropping people from your life who behave the way Lav and Max do. This is fun content online, but offline it's my worst nightmare
What Lav does is gaslight so much that she gaslights herself in the process while she desperately tries to find an out or a rationalization for her shitty behavior. She's the type of person who will never take responsibility for anything she says or does cause she always has to be right. This is the type of person that is not worth dealing with 100%.
It feels like Lav has learned verbal akido. Right when you feel like you've got her and she's accepted responsibility, she conjures her remedial powers like she's the fucking last Avatar to deflect any culpability back into the ether, as she readies up to take on her next challengers.
you mean she says your right but you made me feel bad, and if its your right, i made myself feel bad, so im not responsible for my actions i wasnt sane at the moment i caused all this
You can almost hear the gears turning in her brain as it works overtime to try to find an out so she can Yugioh trap card her way out of taking responsibility for anything.
"This was actually an emotional reaction to the nuances of the interpersonal dynamics that is present due to the fact that we both failed to establish proper boundaries". No Lav u threw a fxking vase downhill.
“It’s late Steven so you shouldn’t talk so fast” 5 seconds later she is screaming her lungs out. The fact she was giggling every time she told him to talk slower shows she is getting off on controlling him
"Listen, I'm not painting a narrative about Harvey Weinstein. I had a great relationship with Harvey. He's smart, he's funny, he's confident. Everything we did was completely consensual, he just has a few behaviors that I personally am not comfortable with, so I sent all of our DM's to Max (whom I'm not involved with at all), and that's it. Why is everyone attacking me and accusing me of slandering Harvey Weinstein?" - Lav
"You know Steven, I don't think there was any moment in our friendship where you acted improper, but when I look back at our relationship with Mr. Girl whispering in my ear I feel like I was abused." Ah yes, Destiny has proven himself to be such a good manipulator
Mr. Girl's worst enemy is himself because he can't let go of any of his crusades. Once he believes that he is right, he grabs on and won't let go, even when he is proven wrong. Lav just found an easy person to latch to for attention.
@@kevincola3184 yeah it's as simple as Max allows her to be narcissistic becuase he himself is one. But this will all blow up and Max and Lav will eventually hate each other as happens with these types of relationships
This conversation was actually fucking crazy. Lav continues to be manipulated by max and continues to not take accountability for her statements, and continues to walk back her statements and continues to lie.
im sick of this narrative that shes acting this way cause shes being manipulated. mr girl and lav are just gassing each other up and both being manipulative
@@jett6206 Yup Lav was a manipulative snake from the start, her and MrGirl are two peas in a pod. It's actually super fucking sexist that people immediately assumed she was some poor defenseless woman being manipulated by Max's charm.
This is common mistake. You don't know who is actually manipulating whom. Lav is just extremely sus. "Oh, I am just a little confused girl", while she is constantly talking to different people & accusing Destiny. * Well, she is accusing Max too.
I use to think Lav was an exceptionally good liar. And she usually is, partially because she’s so unhinged she starts to believe her own lies. But the minute Destiny mentioned her shit talking her fiancé I knew she was bluffing. Her fake incredulity was terrible. I really wish we knew what she said but on a basic human decency level I’m glad Destiny didn’t take the opportunity to ruin her life. Not that Lav would ever return the favor if the roles were reversed
100% Max was doing it to be malicious and spiteful. Yet she walks around admitting that. Hell Lav is being malicious and spiteful. No fkn accountability whatsofknever…
She looks like a different person on pictures but on video she's pretty much always the exact same with different quantities of make up. Or maybe the corruption is just shining through.
Every single time Lav is called out on any behaviour of any kind she ALWAYS has an excuse why it would be okay or at least ambigious to do said behaviour. She can never take a hard stance or a hard L without providing 20 excuses
...Holy shit she was in love with him. Women only do crazy shit like this for guys they fall for. The way she wanted to talk to him normally like an ex girlfriend in the beginning is a hilarious red flag. Her fiance needs to leave her. Dude get a sense of self worth and leave.
Lav’s ego and pathology is fascinating. She is the definition of toxic femininity. And yes, there is such a thing. Just because one term has been used in the social sciences, doesn’t mean there aren’t toxic aspects to the feminine side of things. Lav is like a goldfish, where if she can just talk for 3 more seconds, and keep muddying up the waters, she won’t have to contend with what just happened 3 seconds ago. She can leap over reality into a new talking point. She is so slippery. Sure Stephen has his mild toxicity. But nowhere near the degree Lav does. Essentially Lav keeps accidentally admitting that all this adds up to her being naive, her not being responsible enough, her not being able to handle her emotions, and her not being able to handle adversity. That’s what this whole thing adds up to.
@@luxolontamo4440 I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.. if you aren’t, there absolutely is what can colloquially be coined as “toxic femininity” Sure there hasn’t been a codified term in the social sciences for the toxic attributes that arise disproportionately in more feminine people/spaces, (simply because feminist theory is more focused on pointing out where and how the male impact on society and women play out, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing) but just because the term doesn’t exist in pop-sociology doesn’t mean the phenomenon doesn’t exist. And I’m not just talking out of my ass, there are plenty of papers on Machiavellian and antisocial behavioral tendancies in women. Toxic masculinity describes the antisocial tendancies that emerge more commonly in males, but it’s simply the case that a nearly same percentage of women exhibit antisocial personality traits as men. But they are expressed in very different ways. Men tend to have a more explosive, sharp and direct form of antisocial behavior characterized by anger, ego puffing and violence, whereas with women it’s moreso characterized by deep emotional self-deception, Machiavellian social engineering or manipulation, and gossip, among other things.. So again, there unequivocally exists toxic femininity.. just because there’s not a catchy cultural pop-sociology term, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and hasn’t been well researched and described in clinical psychology and psychiatry.
@@Robisquick I'm not being sarcastic I mean it. In my world view there clearly is both good and bad to any behavioral attribute but to then label the entire attribute itself as "toxic-anything" is ridiculous. I equally disagree with the notion of toxic masculinity because it's based on a fallacy and nothing less that a sexist characterization of men who might be troubled by personal or cultural crisis issues. Most people who use these words can't seem to even be able to define them. Anti-social or toxic behavior is just that and not some new extended catagory of masculinity or femininity. Ofcourse aggression is a human trait and both gender will have to express it somehow probably through different outlets. Yes, it is bad because of it's divisive nature the fact that femininists almost exclusively focus on men as aggressors and women as innocent victims, this in turn feeds into the narrative that men are bad and women are good or if they are bad they are an exception or just victims of their patriarchal environments.
How does she not understand that making abuse allegations without proof is toxic and super abusive. “You can make claims without proof” yes, you can… EXCEPT WHEN IT’S AN ABUSE ALLEGATION! You don’t fuck around with shit like that, you handle it with the upmost care and seriousness.
45:05 destiny couldn’t relented at this point. His point was made. The running up the scoreboard seems mean, and lends one to wonder if lav is right and maybe he’s that way behind closed doors too.
Lav literally said she was coming off a “benzodiazepine addiction” her exact words. She’s saying “I wasn’t abusing them” yet says she has an addiction? I notice people like Lav and Katie do this so much, they’ll be on the backfoot and defensive for so long that they can’t even remember what they said 10 seconds ago because they are trying so hard to come up with excuses for why they are right.
Lav needs permanent headphones that just repeat, "If you aren't sure, then don't attack people!" on loop in her ears. Remember when that was the thing we hated most about her? Good times... not.
If Destiny ever leaked what Lav said about Connor, she may an hero. I wouldn't destroy everything someone has, but then again if Connor is all she has left why would she ever shit talk him? I hope for the best for her fiance
She's with him for the financial stability, she brags about how much money he makes and how when they sell Ridge Wallet he'll be a millionaire. Never once have I heard her praise him as a person. If Connor caught a whiff of Lav talking shit about him she'd lose her meal ticket.
@@tamedprocess4415 do you not think people have dm’d Connor already saying Lav has talked shit about him? Connor is a beta loser who’s still engaged to Lav.
I think she would talk bad about anyone, even Max. I think its really fun for her and she has no self control. It looks like an addiction, Max has to actively mute her when she does it on his stream. I also don’t think she’ll become an hero, I think she just likes to say she will. She probably goes across the street rather than down the river.
@@shakkabo I tagged him in a few times and didn't get a response so I believe it. Could be he's also super busy at Ridge Wallet since Lav says he's barely at home, but that's no excuse to let your fiancé become a laughing stock online and get fucked by every minor e-celeb she wants to. Definitely beta.
Lav talking about how a white nationalist isn’t so bad and how he’s bringing in the younger generation is the funniest part in this whole video. 1:09:00
To be ultra charitable to that story, sounds like she was getting dogpiled and he was nice to her. Probably presented himself as a nice Christian man. With Lav being as stupid as she is, didn’t bother to see who he actually was and just liked the feeling of validation that he gave her.
this is some amber heard level shit. Love when Destiny asks her a simple question like "what did i do to you?" and she responds with "STEVEN😭" like if you really felt like something was wrong or if something was really wrong then you would have a much more valid answer than "you made me uncomfortable" on top of that, she cant even explain WHY she felt uncomfortable. Anyone who has a single brain cell will immediately dismiss Lav.
In the end she couldn't even commit to saying "YOU made me uncomfortable, in THIS particular way". Just some vague bs like "I was generally uncomfortable during that time, but I'm definitely not implying it has anything to do with you, even though I'm specifically saying that I was uncomfortable during that precise period of time - but don't misunderstand me STEVEN, I was just saying I was uncomfortable, not blaming you"
@@Hemlocker Yep, i typed that when i first came across it. You're right she couldn't even commit to the fickle argument she had in the start. Anytime Destiny asked to explain it, it was "I dont want to speak about publicly" or "I already explained it". She constantly plays the victim card as if every single thing revolves around her, she has to be held accountable. its ridiculous
All the people I've ever had issues with if they asked me what they did I'd be able to rattle off a bunch of stuff. The fact she couldn't bring up one thing says a lot about her.
Literally shows how some females nowadays make fake scenarios in their head and when presented with facts that disprove their claims they act all shock. This woman is bashing his relationships publicly and got offended he brought up her fiancé? 😂 like Jesus Christ
An aggressive fake victim at that lol I remember a while back Sneako said he admired her ability to aggressively play the victim. She really has mastered that
@@Xxxxavvs kinda sad that this is what a lot of our generation is turning into doing. Anyone can barely take accountability and they’ll betray people that have real genuine attentions with them and fuck them over with no hesitation. And let’s not forget on how they worship the actual toxic individuals. Treat them like shit and they adore you, actually care about them and you go through the most absurd shit a person can imagine.
All I'm saying is.... if this isn't defamation then idk what is. Bro Destiny needs to sue at this point because they are actively trying to spread false information at not only him but multiple other people.
Fun drinking game: Take a shot everytime Lav says “Steven,” as if Destiny has forgotten his name and needs to be constantly reassured that Lav is in fact talking to him.
26:45 is a masterstroke honestly. When D says “shall I say everything you said about him and you can tell me if I’m lying?” You can see on Lav’s face that she’s panicking, mouth open to appear indignant but it's a subconscious marker of panic (far easier to control your breathing inconspicuously when you can breathe through your mouth rather than your nose) Either she says “Yes” and Destiny likely says things that are so specific/personal/private that there’s literally no way he would know about them unless Lav told him, or she says “No” and confirms that he’s telling the truth and that she doesn’t want it addressed. Annoyed that Destiny let that line of inquiry go because that was a silver bullet. She could not be more obviously petrified edit: don't want people thinking I'm salivating at someone being scared for no reason other than entertainment. imo, Lav is a disgusting human being. A vapid manipulator who will say and do anything to garner sympathy and attention, no matter who's life it may ruin or who's career is in jeopardy
Jesus analytical much? I’m a conservative who loves destiny and supports his very honest platform. It’s a rarity nowadays. What the hell provoked you to write a Novel on some insignificance within this video?! LOL
@@SpellCheckBot A conservative thinking 3 paragraphs is enough to constitute an essay is a pretty sound measuring stick for the intellect of the whole group tbh
everytime someone like lav comes along i think yo myself "surely this person is a one-off and he wont interact w a person like that again", but the way he always ends up getting screwed over despite extending an olive branch is kinda inspirational. goodness in the face of insane twitter/twitch-tards is a value id like to embody as well
I obviously only know Steven from seeing him online, but it’s hard to believe he would mess around with blatantly lying, considering his strategy (even if you’d consider it only self interested) for dealing with drama… which means she DEFINITELY shit talked her fiancé behind closed doors and thought it would never come back to bite her ass. Not that surprising, but it’s really entertaining
25:45 is the time stamp, she also has a consistent way of acting appalled when she gets caught in a lie instead of actually engaging, because that’s the only strategy she has left. If she is telling the truth I would be surprised because she 100% looks like a liar, and a bad one at that.
that look on her face when shes screaming that shes disgusted and acting confused (like she has weaponised the whole conversation through is) is so satisfying because at that moment you can see in her eyes she didn't see that one coming and is just sort of hoping something comes to her to be able to escape🤣🤣
She's scared shitless of this conversation. Stalling in the beginning (small talk deez nuts), performative snark and interrupting constantly. Good stuff.
All the men involved are willfully ignorant about that though, every few months some guy blows up because Melina is bitching about Destiny and how she wants to leave him and everyone laughs it off
@@envl I think that was the most satisfying part of the whole interaction... The way she feigned that he was lying, followed by the immediate pivot to "You're threatening me now?!" Showed just how terrified she was. I'm glad Destiny had the integrity not to leak anyway, but part of me just wanted to see her get a taste of her own medicine.
steps to manipulate lav step 1. act friendly to her and validate her step 2. talk about something normal someone else does step 3. imply said thing is wrong in vague ways using catch all terms (manipulative abusive and/or power dynamic) She will shit talk and ""misremember"" how things went with that person as long as you keep validating her. She was basically begging you to go down this route where she would pin this on max because the validation is comforting to her. Thats why she kept saying "oh no thats just what max says". If you would've taken the bait she would absolutely have shit talked max.
@@notan3144 These are actions you can take to get her to trash talk anyone. Her asking for it to happen is just her mentally ill nature with little intent behind it. I justify that by saying she clearly has little social and emotional intelligence as evident by how optically bad she appears. Its clear what she wants and she clearly has no ability to achieve it. She wants infinite validation from others and manages to get the opposite from the vast majority making the worst possible decisions for herself every chance she gets.
Lav or Lea is such a gaslighting PoS. She claims she was quiet the entire time??? She literally made fun of Destiny with a person she knows doesn’t like him 😂😂😂😂
I spent 20 years with someone like her. It never ends well. The good thing is this is public and she can’t weasel out of folks reality. He keeps trying to save her and she won’t accept that grace.
Melina entirely predicted this, said right after Lav left that she'll try and claw her way back in eventually, though it did take longer than expected.
Lav: I didn’t know you needed proof for everything you say about someone so I don’t believe you need to do that Destiny: you talked about me multiple times Also Lav: substantiate! Show me the proof!
40:00 Destiny asked her what he specifically did wrong with her ten minutes before this point and she still can't give a precise answer. That's so freaking weird, I would've lost my mind lol
Holy shit I regret wishing for more lav/Mr girl drama. I had totally forgotten how hard it is to listen to her trying to wiggle her self out of the shit she herself caused.
I find the Lav/Mr. Girl stuff interesting because I can relate their abusive behavior to the behavior of a girl I dated who was incredibly abusive towards me. It's really interesting to be a 3rd party and clearly hearing things that I can remember from my relationship but I didn't realize it was manipulative at the time, and I especially like having Destiny there to notice it and call it out. That being said, those two are just terrible to listen to for any extended amount of time. It drives me insane.
@@winter666madness A good example would be when Destiny brought up her shit talking her fiancé. She has the fear of god in her eyes, attempts to ramp up emotions so she can 1) talk a bunch, 2) make the emotions carry her lies as people tend to believe ppl who are passionate/emotional, and 3) attempt to intimidate Destiny into shutting up and not continuing. Directly after, she JUMPS on the opportunity to say he "threatened her," which is an insane read of what happened.
Literally this, man. Every single nuance in her behaviour takes me back to the girl that flipped my life upside down and squeezed me for all I was worth emotionally, mentally and physically.
“I’m not working with Max, I just handed him the logs of all of our personal conversations and continue to talk to him about you and your relationships, Destiny.”
27:01 to see Lav blatantly lie in front of their entire audience and try to gaslight viewers LIVE "You just THREATENED me!" when he hadn't said anything even similar to a threat
She was trying to stretch the "If you want to release personal details about me, I'll release personal details about you" thing into a threat. Which is the most hilarious kind of threat. She's pointing a gun at him, then he points one back and she's like "Oh my god, you're LITERALLY brandishing a WEAPON at me. LITERALLY. HOW do you think you have the high ground???" while still pointing a gun at him the whole time.
The problem is Lav most likely fallen for Destiny (she stil smiles when she recalls their thing from the past) and it messed her up emotionally. Her entering the streaming backfired and made her even more miserable, because Destiny did what he said and their relationship was not a component to their work on debates. She had disagreements on streams with him, other people were shitting on her, and the worst part for her is that he wasn't particularly defensive or supportive enough which what she expected given their past. Adding to that she couldn't handle his life style, which I imagine is far from perfect and not for anybody, but that's how he rolls and It looks like he's perfectly honest about that and very self aware. She's not self aware at all. It got ugly as it usually happens in these situations, they fought, they split, and then she hate watched him for a while because she's clearly self-destructive. She said too much publicly because she felt hurt, got gaslighted she was abused and now can't admit she made mistake and implied horrible things about him which she doesn't believe are true. Unfortunately she's also not very bright and can't realize she was played all along by very cunning Mr Girl who desperately wants some dirt on Destiny to form his own narrative. She needs to think a little bit and let go.
Lav has completely destroyed her reputation as a streamer, OF content creator, and a musician. Imagine driving around listening to Lav sing? That's suicide fuel.
MrGirl's Going To Stop Destiny Before He Kills Someone ►th-cam.com/video/3rI9e740J7M/w-d-xo.html
LEAVE LAV ALONE! MrGirl's Girlfriend Gets Into A Screaming Match w/ Everyone ►th-cam.com/video/Hc7iy7bVSUk/w-d-xo.html
Wow Destiny really does lays the smack down in this conv...
I hope destiny gets arrested for the sexual assault against the innocent woman.
Destiny dicking down this mid pussy again.....dayum ;)
Love the content but speaking with lav is less productive then speaking to a brick wall
I'm so tired of seeing Lav just speak. Like she opens her mouth and vomit BS non stops. She is such a shitty person and she pretends tk be a victim. It's BS. And I'm tired of it. It's not even good gor content anymore. It's just a fucking lunatic woman saying dumb shit and setting women back decades.
I keep wanting to take people off social media and hear the conversation they’d have if they were strangers, stuck on an elevator during a natural disaster, and forced to collaborate for two days to escape the building successfully.
Wtf chocolate rain dude is here, nice
Wtf chocolate rain dude is here, nice
Would be like an IRL league game
We need the music nerd crossover now
I don’t think she is human, love you
Lav: 'makes a public ridiculous claim about Destiny'
People: 'Ok what reason or reasons make you publicly say that'
Lav: 'omg why are you holding me to this standard for needing evidence for everything I say, publicly??'
That line was wild. What is wrong with asking for evidence???
At least Amber Heard had fake evidence to defend herself with. Amber Heard did more than Lav has ever done.
It just depends on the claim, if I claim I ate a burrito for lunch, pretty safe to assume that to be true without evidence, if I say someone is sleeping with another person or is a sexual abuser you’re gonna need to back that claim up with evidence.
@@guitardedism Whoa whoa whoa, I can buy the second claim uncritically but I'm gonna need some sources that support that you ate a burrito for lunch. I just don't think it's very likely that you actually did.
@@bradlife_ would you believe that I sexually assaulted a burrito?
Lav needs to log off the internet permanently. Its not good for her.
Hotdiggedydemon AND Tay Zonday tuning in to this shit show? At least Lav is bringing the internet together
Yeah, this streaming debate space is just digging her into a deeper hole with every appearance she makes. I think she should do something else creatively with the following she has to build a healthier platform/audience over time, rather than milking drama for no merit.
Don't think she will. Seems like she's addicted, maybe she might get some help some day
Also, nice to see you on other channels
Holy SHIT
Hotdiggeydydemon with the DGG? Or at the very least, a lurker? Wild lol
Loved your stuff ever since I found ya through Mega64 my dude
Isn't she like married ?
The writers deserve a raise for this season
True
Bro I am catching up on Destiny: That's a girl's name: the show and you are so right hahahahaha. I was like. "man they got the one life to live writers on this."
Best drama
Sad thing is the dude must of sold his soul to write this season because since then its been pretty bland "outside of the divorce which was more boring than i thought it would be". I was hoping that he would bring in some more crazies after mel left but it seems hes finally learning lol.
Let this be a lesson to all observers,
People like Lav are out there and exist. Associating with them in any respect is social suicide, Destiny is merely lucky in that he navigated the situation just right so that there is no real fuel to the fire.
Imagine if he hadn't gone above and beyond?
Someone that will victimize themselves to escape accountability is barely a person imo
Amen dude. I've been close with such people and it really is awfull, you're mind goes to shit because of their lies and fakeness and bullshit
A coworker found his fiance cheating on him. Caught them in the act. He whipped out his phone and streamed the confrontation to Facebook Live.
The dude she was with ended up filing charges against him and even in the complaint essentially said he was just doing it to get her to leave him alone. My coworker ended up getting arrested and spent several days in jail, and is now facing prison time if convicted on charges of assault, domestic battery, and aggravated burglary.
They were engaged and had a child together and he had just bought a house for them and she is now telling people that he was always abusive, she never loved him, and they were just "cohabitating". They had been together for almost 10 years. Engaged for 2.
Bitches be crazy, man.
@@kevinwalter4078😮😮
Just don't be a man whore like Destiny, you won't have women like this in your life. Ezpz. A lot of man whores never spend time fixing themselves before finding the last chick in his line of women that he ends up marrying... its so weird how a lot of those relationships don't work out.
I felt similarly but seeing these comments makes me feel like they’ll just make her worse and give her more ammunition to claim she’s abused.
I never seen an adult avoid responsibility this hard. This girl has no shame.
the smartest person on the internet, she destroyed everyone on that 1v5 debate
Unfortunately
She putting together a puzzle of excuses like losing at Tetris
@@Igelmefake news
@@nocuh What a perfect analogy. I can just picture someone playing tetris and just spam placing blocks because they are desperate to dig themselves out of a hole which was cause by a single T block they misplaced. The overreaction and constant digging she's doing is 100% someone who isn't good at Tetris trying to bounce back lol.
Lav has a HUGE tell.... everytime she says "Steven", every time she tells people to slow down, everytime she stalls... she's about to lie. 100 percent.
Anytime she opens her mouth, she's about to lie
Also every other time she speaks, she lies lol
She does that mostly when Destiny says something that she had the ability to disagree with but he gish gallops to another point. Not that she could respond anyways.
Frustrating to deal with someone who honestly can't keep up with how fast you're speaking only to lie and deflect once they cat ch up.
Don't forget to get the whole chat to stop, give a nice long pause before she gets control of the conversation again. Possibly even holding a finger up.
So constantly
It's truly impressive how these 2 can cause so much unintentionally collateral damage while failing to ruin a man's career
Not only failed to ruin his career gave him tons of free content.
I am waiting for the Mr. girl manifesto after this article comes out
that's so well put christ
Yeah you're not wrong
@@TheJinjo75 how’s it taste?
@MFJon777 Destiny has been growing since coming to youtube. What are you talking about?
Lav wanting to be able to attack Destiny without ever receiving any backlash is maddening to me. She does that thing where she is attacking his character and then when he pushes back she has to go off on "I'm scared right now, I'm overwhelmed, can we just have a nice conversation, I have mental illness".
EXACTLYYYY this is so infuriating to me. Correct me if I’m wrong, Destiny watched her say in the last live that he Needed to be STOPPED and that it was a MATTER OF TIME UNTIL SOMEONE DIES and that she thinks about that OFTEN. But in this video she’s an innocent butterfly she wasn’t making any claims or statements and wasn’t insinuating that he was malicious in his intent. So fake and she deserves so much hate for the way she can’t stay consistent on anything, especially when it’s blatant demonization of a large streamer.
It seems like a lot of the people in this social media group have mental issues.
Once again Destiny provides ample examples for psychological case studies. Truly a scientific icon.
I 100% believe she trashtalked her own fiance to Destiny. Everything she has done, proves she is exactly the kind of person who will shittalk everyone behind their back. Why should her fiance then be off limit. Im so amazed he is still with her.
Yeah it's REALLY obvious, and her reaction made it even more so.
WHAAAAAAAAAT HOW DARE YOU
@@iz2333 IM SO SORRY I SEE THE ERROR OF MY WAYS. Now imagine if Lav would say that and stick to it.
@@nicematerial Exactly. She seemed kinda scared too maybe that he would reveal something she couldnt defend if confronted by her fiance.
@@patty40897 Yep, lucky for her, Destiny moved on and gave her an out. But what I definatly did not hear her say is "Yeah let me hear what you're talking about so I can determine whether or not it's a lie".
Lav's lack of accountability is actually disgusting. She has been observably complicit in collaborating with Max on this article and then she gets on camera and says "oh it's not me writing it, it's Max" knowing full well she has provided information for the purpose of smearing Destiny as an abuser.
The most disgusting thing is thatthey are recorded words from her own mouth and she still play her games. Imagine knowing her in real life, without vods to fact check her words, there is no way to make her take any shred of accountability.
@@nguyendi92 was literally thinking this. i feel bad for any person who has any interpersonal relationships with her in real life. All she probably does is gaslight them into believing she didnt say things that she did, play victim and use her baby voice and crying to emotionally manipulate people so they feel pity for her so she can avoid all accountability.
@@MunkeyyCANA I hate their supporters more.
Destiny is finding less and less reasons to disagree with Fresh & Fit 😅😂
@@jacklaurentius6130 aba and preach as well 😂
Lav is absolutely ridiculous how many times can she immediately contradict herself after every freaking sentence!? She’s gonna be a dangerous Karen later. I’d be willing to bet money she gets someone in major trouble in less than 5 years
I think that she would be great at making financial instruments in brokerages. The moral collapse rizz.
I mean, if Destiny wasn’t as experienced as he is, he would be in huge trouble right now. Not because it’s true, obviously, but because she’s voicing her shitty opinion about these things. Honest to god, I don’t know what people who watch her get out of it other than a few cum stains here and there. She isn’t informed or mature enough for her voice to be meaningful in this space. When I learned that she was in a cult for years, I was everything but surprised.
@@Theo-ot3ee funny thing is I think her trajectory would be the same regardless of destiny
I feel sorry for that fiance. Even if their relationship is/was good, she's sabotaging it. Legit I think Lav is dishonest out of stupidity, not with some nefarious motive. Max on the other hand, will exploit her to the end.
At one point I was a little sympathetic to Lav until she became his daughter, it's just weird. She tied herself to a donkey show.
@@Track3XcGuy it’s her destiny
25:47 and this is the moment that Lav totally lost it. Im so curious what she said and its so clear that it happened. Especially when Destiny asked her if he should quote what she said to see if hes lying and she goes "........YOU'RE BLACKMAILING ME"
Imagine being so bad at lying you go from "That never happened" to "You're blackmailing me" in a matter of just a few sentences. If it truly was false and Destiny was lying, why would you ever claim someone is blackmailing you with evidence that you JUST DENIED EXISTED.
Mixed with the random performative scream at the beginning, shes so bad at lying. I hope Destiny uses this in the future, because that seemed like it made her heart skip a few beats. Wouldn't even be surprised if its something stupid like "he has a small dicc lul"
Not sure how I didn't catch that before, the fact that she accuses him of threatening/blackmailing her is a self-report, because if Destiny was lying there'd be no reason to fight against it, because he'd have no proof.
And Destiny thinks this girl is intelligent.
She then said "you are blackmailing me with a lie"
Which obviously doesn't make sense.
Now I know why lonely desperate housewives watch TV dramas. I’m a 27 year old man and this is so entertaining that I’m embarrassed to admit it.
Lav: Steven used me as his therapist when he was struggling with Melina
Also Lav: what?! You absolutely cannot talk about my fiance. I can't believe you'd go that low.
I'm actually shaking rn frfr
Bro him and Melina are just married by law. That marriage might as well not be a thing with Destiny sleeping around the clock with a bunch of other women and Melina doing the same with other guys
@@GeometryDashKenaz You weirdos saying shit like this constantly just sound dumb. Just because YOU hinge your entire relationship on exclusive sex with that person that doesn't mean that two people that love eachother but prefer to be open sexually somehow might as well not be married. You don't understand it because it isn't your preference or life, but that doesn't mean you have some insight or a place to comment due to that.
Also even if what you said were true what the fuck does that have to do with the point in this comment?
@@konrTF He's trying to say Lav is a hypocrite for bringing up Steven's spouse while she doesn't want anyone bringing up her fiancé. That's not hypocritical when 1) She didn't have a fiance at the time when Destiny was f ing around with her and 2)Unlike Steven she's actually treating the guy like she's about to marry him and not like another body for sex which is exactly how Destiny treats Melina. And you can f*ck off with that bs about not understanding open relationships because it's "not my preference". These relationships statistically don't work out as well as closed 1:1 relationships for both parties and children. I don't have to have that preference to know that it's a messy shit storm
@@GeometryDashKenaz so to you marriage is just a license to have sex?
Adding the receipts for when she lies is great. Hate that she can lie, deflect when it’s pointed out, then get upset that dest won’t take accountability. Real mid tier energy
Kinda sounds misogynistic bro.
@@bliss7470 her attitude is not justifiable. Just because she’s a women has nothing to do with her dark intentions. I know many women who don’t do such things.
@@LIGhostIL115 I honestly thought Bliss was memeing. But I looked at his other comments and I think he was being serious. That was not misogynistic. Her lying, gaslighting and deflecting has nothing to do with her gender. Personally I’m ashamed to share a gender with her.
@@LIGhostIL115 That honestly just sounds like an incel mask on moment. For sure, bro.
@@queenc2144 that last part is the weirdest thing i've read in a while
i never had anger issues all my life, but listening to lav makes me consider getting anger management. how can someone be so freaking manipulative.
Shes not a good manipulator. Shes just doing the same thing children regularly do.
“Did you draw on the table?”
“No…”
“Who drew on the table?”
“I don’t know, it wasn’t me, I didn’t do anything wrong.”
She just doesn’t want any blame whatsoever.
@@harryb12993 never said she was good at it. but she's trying very hard to do so.
Narcissist. That's the answer.
@@Macheako I think that was their point haha. Pointing out how she’s being childish.
I honestly think from how she is acting and her facial expressions.... she may of not detoxed off those drugs. If she isn't high on something I would be shocked.
It's amazes me how hundreds of words can come out of someone's mouth while they're saying absolutely nothing. What an absolute talent.
it's a leftist thing. they are space cadets
I love how Lav is walking back EVERY SINGLE thing she has said in other conversations about Destiny. She's so ready to accuse him but then whem confronted she caveats everything into oblivion.
Lav: I have issues with what happened
Destiny: What did I do wrong to cause those issues?
Lav: Well nothing in particular i think I just had bad boundaries
Destiny: So I did nothing wrong?
Lav: Well no i cant accept that because then it seems like its all MY fault
Lav just cant accept that her issues with Destiny are her own fault
Deductive logic for the chronically online in 2023 lol.
how has all this ended? did this mr. girl guy actually publish something? where can I see the fall out from it?
if I had to guess, seems like Destiny is an alright guy, but should really put bigger boundaries between work and life.
unless these guys are co-habituating, I don't see a reason things should get this intimate.
@@eyallev Mr.girl released the 10,000 word hit piece which was essentially a nothing burger. Nobody anywhere took it seriously. Destiny reacts to Chudlogic reading it, so if you search "Chudlogic, destiny, mr girl article" I'm sure you'll find it. Both Lav and Mr.girl were removed from Destiny's sphere, his orbiters sphere's, and since Destiny hosted Mr.girl on his website, also from streaming. Destiny is kind of a freak, and says he never feels more alive than when someone is trying to destroy his life lmao. Everybody and I mean EVERYBODY was telling him both these people were not good, but oh well. He is certainly a good guy, but just thrives in combative spaces. He wasnt co-habituating with Lav or Mr.girl , but considered them genuine friends before everything went down.
@@eyallev Mr Girl did publish the article, I think it was on his website. It was crazy long and contained almost no information that wasn't already public knowledge. I think 40% of the article was about Lav. The excitement blew over within a week.
She actually threw Max under the bus 😂 she's loyal to NO ONE..
Not even her fiance who she shit talked to Destiny 😂
@shakkabo Exactly! I want to know sooo badly what she said! 😳
Not even to her own father :(
@@Shayanzass LOL Max 😂!! She threw her own father under the bus 😂
@@shakkabo why would shit talking matter over her spreading her legs for a dude that was never into relationships.
Dear Lav: _All your probs would be solved if you just went offline_
How will she get attention?
You can easily replicate the same dynamic in a real life relationships, doesn't have to be online streamer drama. I'm sure she'll find a way to get attention anywhere she goes.
@@host. yeah... BPD.
Borderline personality disorder.
@@Ventanty as someone diagnosed with BPD (among others) that has been dismissed and been seen as manipulative with zero attempt to clarify why, I have extra hate for people like Lav that just continue to perpetuate BPD as this blanket "let them die alone" disorder.
I don’t know how this was meant to be interpreted but I just interpreted it the worst way. 😮
Destiny was right when he said that Lav is the absolute least accountable person on the internet. Every single clear and demonstrated charge against her, she either twists it to make herself sound like the victim, the good guy, or turns it around somehow. That's some textbook narcissism right there, no two ways about it.
"Steven, I'm not assisting anyone, I just gave him our fucking logs" A line delivered with a straight face, as if it was supposed to exonerate her some how, when it in fact proves she IS helping mr. girl. I think I am experiencing true misogyny for the first time in my life. She has every awful trait a woman could have personality wise rolled into one unfortunate human being.
This is probably worst thing she did. She sent to another person whiteout any consent tons of private messages, and she tells now there was nothing wrong with it? Mr Girl has no fucking authority, he's not a Police, not a private detective, he's just a random creepy guy with agenda. What's even worse, she can't pinpoint at any single thing that Destiny did towards her that was coercive or abusive. She's didn't accused him of anything, she just implies bunch of shit, or was perfectly silent when Mr Girl was making the accusations, because what, she felt hurt? She let him gaslit her into thinking she must've been abused so she sent him everything she has so he can confirm that for her? That's just batshit crazy.
When Lav accused Steven of blatantly lying and was acting all disgusted (maybe she was too) I laughed out loud the whole way through. Holy shit she is brain dead if she cannot see it.
That's when he broke her. She was pretty good at pretending and putting him on defence all the way through but at that moment, especially when he started saying 'do you want me to say them and you can say which isnt true', she knows that she's fucked and is desperately clinging to that act of confusion while at the same time not being able to think of how to escape🤣🤣🤣
She shows just how young and inexperienced she is. She's trying to be a much worse monster, but she hasn't learned to be effectively manipulative yet.
@@depressedessendonfan5702 The dead silence when Destiny asks really demonstrates all that you need to know about whether she was talking shit about her fiance or not.
She calls him a liar for bringing up she shit talked her own Fiance to him,, he says "want me to prove I'm not lying?" and then asks her to confirm if what hes about to say she said about her own fiance is true or not, and she calls that "blackmail" LMFAO. You can't make a claim about someone, and when they challenge the claim in a way you don't like, call it blackmail.
I knew he was sleeping with Pixie sad it wasn’t Erin though
Kids, this is a prime example of a human being that you don't want to be. Make sure, when you see behavior like this, to not let it slide. Lav literally goes back on everything she says and then gets mad that people don't understand her and that people are misrepresenting the meaning behind her words and actions, even though the meaning is obvious to anyone.
Do let it slide. Walk away. Get the fuck out. Maybe even run away. You don't have save everyone and you definitely don't want to let them drag you into the abyss with them.
Keep that same energy people. You reap what you sow😂😂😂😂
@@williamumbranox7217
Normalize dropping people from your life who behave the way Lav and Max do.
This is fun content online, but offline it's my worst nightmare
Lav is the type of person you need to stay far away from. She's a danger to herself and everyone around her.
What Lav does is gaslight so much that she gaslights herself in the process while she desperately tries to find an out or a rationalization for her shitty behavior. She's the type of person who will never take responsibility for anything she says or does cause she always has to be right. This is the type of person that is not worth dealing with 100%.
It feels like Lav has learned verbal akido. Right when you feel like you've got her and she's accepted responsibility, she conjures her remedial powers like she's the fucking last Avatar to deflect any culpability back into the ether, as she readies up to take on her next challengers.
you mean she says your right but you made me feel bad, and if its your right, i made myself feel bad, so im not responsible for my actions i wasnt sane at the moment i caused all this
At least she only used the fake crying voice once in this conversation.
Yeah she pretty smart that way.
@@lampad4549 Probably what big D is getting at when he calls her smart.
You can almost hear the gears turning in her brain as it works overtime to try to find an out so she can Yugioh trap card her way out of taking responsibility for anything.
watched this live on stardust's channel, what a wild ride
This is truly mindboggling. You can't get anywhere when someone is just incapable of conceding any responsibility
Why is she obsessed with another man that’s not her fiancée. I feel bad for that dude
Lav sounds like me being 4, trying to explain why I thought that rolling a vase down a hill was a reasonable idea
"Yeah so I thought it was a bad idea but my brother told me to do it" "But your brother is 3 months old" "Yea..."
My 4 year old contradicts herself less, understands and takes accountability more consistently than Lav.
@@kkirT 😂😂
"This was actually an emotional reaction to the nuances of the interpersonal dynamics that is present due to the fact that we both failed to establish proper boundaries". No Lav u threw a fxking vase downhill.
“It’s late Steven so you shouldn’t talk so fast” 5 seconds later she is screaming her lungs out. The fact she was giggling every time she told him to talk slower shows she is getting off on controlling him
Power tripping when asking for 30 sec of small talk too.
"Listen, I'm not painting a narrative about Harvey Weinstein. I had a great relationship with Harvey. He's smart, he's funny, he's confident. Everything we did was completely consensual, he just has a few behaviors that I personally am not comfortable with, so I sent all of our DM's to Max (whom I'm not involved with at all), and that's it. Why is everyone attacking me and accusing me of slandering Harvey Weinstein?" - Lav
"You know Steven, I don't think there was any moment in our friendship where you acted improper, but when I look back at our relationship with Mr. Girl whispering in my ear I feel like I was abused."
Ah yes, Destiny has proven himself to be such a good manipulator
Sounds like the one doing all the manipulation was Mrgirl lol
Lol Mrgirl's worst enemy is Lav and his biggest mistake in his life was to ally with her. Hilarious
Don’t speak about HIS DAUGHTER like this.
MrGirls worst enemy is Mrgirl guys a fucking creep
Mr. Girl's worst enemy is himself because he can't let go of any of his crusades. Once he believes that he is right, he grabs on and won't let go, even when he is proven wrong. Lav just found an easy person to latch to for attention.
@@elfboy676 He does this with everything. He knows everyone else better than they know themselves. Actual psychopath
@@kevincola3184 yeah it's as simple as Max allows her to be narcissistic becuase he himself is one. But this will all blow up and Max and Lav will eventually hate each other as happens with these types of relationships
August just uploaded an hour long video of the loudest Truck backing up sound on the internet. Thank you good sir.
This woman deserves a spot on the US olympic gymnastics team for how hard she's flipping any sort of responsibility. You can't make this up lol.
26:53 Its so PAINFULLY obvious how caught she was in this moment
This conversation was actually fucking crazy. Lav continues to be manipulated by max and continues to not take accountability for her statements, and continues to walk back her statements and continues to lie.
im sick of this narrative that shes acting this way cause shes being manipulated. mr girl and lav are just gassing each other up and both being manipulative
@@jett6206 Yup Lav was a manipulative snake from the start, her and MrGirl are two peas in a pod. It's actually super fucking sexist that people immediately assumed she was some poor defenseless woman being manipulated by Max's charm.
@@jett6206 honestly fair point
Lol she's not being manulative.
This is common mistake.
You don't know who is actually manipulating whom.
Lav is just extremely sus.
"Oh, I am just a little confused girl", while she is constantly talking to different people & accusing Destiny.
* Well, she is accusing Max too.
Honestly wish Destiny just spill what LAV shit talk on her fiancee about, save that guy from this toxic waste of a human being.
Do you want me to repeat what you said about him, and then you tell me if it's a lie?... lav was quiet for a solid 18 seconds...
"Confronting me is abuse. Making me uncomfortable is not nurturing. I have a mental illness and you're giving me a panic attack. That's assault." 🤮🤮
Live. Lav. Lie.
Gotta love how Destiny heard "don't stick it in crazy" and was like "Challenge Accepted."
Wild accusations? Backpedaling when confronted? Backpedaling AGAIN the second people’s backs are turned?
Yep, it’s Lav time.
I use to think Lav was an exceptionally good liar. And she usually is, partially because she’s so unhinged she starts to believe her own lies. But the minute Destiny mentioned her shit talking her fiancé I knew she was bluffing. Her fake incredulity was terrible. I really wish we knew what she said but on a basic human decency level I’m glad Destiny didn’t take the opportunity to ruin her life. Not that Lav would ever return the favor if the roles were reversed
Very interesting moment as a viewer, the psychology on display 😭😭
100% Max was doing it to be malicious and spiteful. Yet she walks around admitting that. Hell Lav is being malicious and spiteful. No fkn accountability whatsofknever…
Lav literally looks like a completely different human being every single time she is on camera. wtf
You can see how her mind works now lmao
she's starting to wear less makeup now
Is she a biological woman? Or man?
She looks like a different person on pictures but on video she's pretty much always the exact same with different quantities of make up. Or maybe the corruption is just shining through.
@@Ithaca-vv5dy what are you even asking
Every single time Lav is called out on any behaviour of any kind she ALWAYS has an excuse why it would be okay or at least ambigious to do said behaviour. She can never take a hard stance or a hard L without providing 20 excuses
Well you see it’s complicated 😂
And the worst excuse of all "But you do it too!".
Okay... that doesn't make you good, just makes you both bad. Great self-own there.
What a girlboss
...Holy shit she was in love with him. Women only do crazy shit like this for guys they fall for. The way she wanted to talk to him normally like an ex girlfriend in the beginning is a hilarious red flag. Her fiance needs to leave her. Dude get a sense of self worth and leave.
Lav’s ego and pathology is fascinating. She is the definition of toxic femininity. And yes, there is such a thing. Just because one term has been used in the social sciences, doesn’t mean there aren’t toxic aspects to the feminine side of things. Lav is like a goldfish, where if she can just talk for 3 more seconds, and keep muddying up the waters, she won’t have to contend with what just happened 3 seconds ago. She can leap over reality into a new talking point. She is so slippery. Sure Stephen has his mild toxicity. But nowhere near the degree Lav does. Essentially Lav keeps accidentally admitting that all this adds up to her being naive, her not being responsible enough, her not being able to handle her emotions, and her not being able to handle adversity. That’s what this whole thing adds up to.
No such thing as toxic femininity dude.
Before I respond, were you being sarcastic or serious?
@@luxolontamo4440 I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.. if you aren’t, there absolutely is what can colloquially be coined as “toxic femininity”
Sure there hasn’t been a codified term in the social sciences for the toxic attributes that arise disproportionately in more feminine people/spaces, (simply because feminist theory is more focused on pointing out where and how the male impact on society and women play out, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing) but just because the term doesn’t exist in pop-sociology doesn’t mean the phenomenon doesn’t exist.
And I’m not just talking out of my ass, there are plenty of papers on Machiavellian and antisocial behavioral tendancies in women. Toxic masculinity describes the antisocial tendancies that emerge more commonly in males, but it’s simply the case that a nearly same percentage of women exhibit antisocial personality traits as men. But they are expressed in very different ways.
Men tend to have a more explosive, sharp and direct form of antisocial behavior characterized by anger, ego puffing and violence, whereas with women it’s moreso characterized by deep emotional self-deception, Machiavellian social engineering or manipulation, and gossip, among other things..
So again, there unequivocally exists toxic femininity.. just because there’s not a catchy cultural pop-sociology term, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and hasn’t been well researched and described in clinical psychology and psychiatry.
@@luxolontamo4440 So unless you want to graduate from culture war talking points into actual academic research, I suggest you stfu
@@Robisquick I'm not being sarcastic I mean it. In my world view there clearly is both good and bad to any behavioral attribute but to then label the entire attribute itself as "toxic-anything" is ridiculous. I equally disagree with the notion of toxic masculinity because it's based on a fallacy and nothing less that a sexist characterization of men who might be troubled by personal or cultural crisis issues. Most people who use these words can't seem to even be able to define them. Anti-social or toxic behavior is just that and not some new extended catagory of masculinity or femininity. Ofcourse aggression is a human trait and both gender will have to express it somehow probably through different outlets. Yes, it is bad because of it's divisive nature the fact that femininists almost exclusively focus on men as aggressors and women as innocent victims, this in turn feeds into the narrative that men are bad and women are good or if they are bad they are an exception or just victims of their patriarchal environments.
How does she not understand that making abuse allegations without proof is toxic and super abusive. “You can make claims without proof” yes, you can… EXCEPT WHEN IT’S AN ABUSE ALLEGATION! You don’t fuck around with shit like that, you handle it with the upmost care and seriousness.
This woman is absolutely unbelievable!
She refuses to take accountability for anything!
I mean it sounds like it’s both of em lol
You are wrong but I respect your opinion
@@oogabooga8739 Huh?
Believe All Women!
That's why I am conflicted between believing Lav and Destiny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
45:05 destiny couldn’t relented at this point. His point was made. The running up the scoreboard seems mean, and lends one to wonder if lav is right and maybe he’s that way behind closed doors too.
Did you watch a bunch of videos on this??
Cause there’s a ton of videos of Lav talking a astronomical amount of shit unprovoked
Lav literally said she was coming off a “benzodiazepine addiction” her exact words. She’s saying “I wasn’t abusing them” yet says she has an addiction? I notice people like Lav and Katie do this so much, they’ll be on the backfoot and defensive for so long that they can’t even remember what they said 10 seconds ago because they are trying so hard to come up with excuses for why they are right.
I love how every time someone tries making a point she jumps in loud and defensive immediately
then says they cut her off later LOOOOOL
@@FlashSosa RIGHT?!
Lav needs permanent headphones that just repeat, "If you aren't sure, then don't attack people!" on loop in her ears.
Remember when that was the thing we hated most about her? Good times... not.
Didn't she gave a fiancee through all of this or did I misunderstand?
If Destiny ever leaked what Lav said about Connor, she may an hero. I wouldn't destroy everything someone has, but then again if Connor is all she has left why would she ever shit talk him? I hope for the best for her fiance
She's with him for the financial stability, she brags about how much money he makes and how when they sell Ridge Wallet he'll be a millionaire. Never once have I heard her praise him as a person. If Connor caught a whiff of Lav talking shit about him she'd lose her meal ticket.
anheroi, havent heard that one in a while lol
@@tamedprocess4415 do you not think people have dm’d Connor already saying Lav has talked shit about him? Connor is a beta loser who’s still engaged to Lav.
I think she would talk bad about anyone, even Max. I think its really fun for her and she has no self control. It looks like an addiction, Max has to actively mute her when she does it on his stream.
I also don’t think she’ll become an hero, I think she just likes to say she will. She probably goes across the street rather than down the river.
@@shakkabo I tagged him in a few times and didn't get a response so I believe it. Could be he's also super busy at Ridge Wallet since Lav says he's barely at home, but that's no excuse to let your fiancé become a laughing stock online and get fucked by every minor e-celeb she wants to. Definitely beta.
"I never said you had sex together, i said you had a sexual relationship" sums up the issue with Lav explaining things quite nicely...
Call me crazy but the MrGirl/Lav era is a top 3 era, maybe even better than the Vaush/Hasan era/fallout.
Lav is one of the only people I wish left the internet. Not ideological, not moral just god she’s a pain
Lav talking about how a white nationalist isn’t so bad and how he’s bringing in the younger generation is the funniest part in this whole video. 1:09:00
there are so many sound bytes in this that would just be so funny on tiktok with no context
He was nice to her, that's all that matters to her. That's the only reason why Mr Girl, who hated Lav, can weaponize her for his crusade.
To be ultra charitable to that story, sounds like she was getting dogpiled and he was nice to her. Probably presented himself as a nice Christian man. With Lav being as stupid as she is, didn’t bother to see who he actually was and just liked the feeling of validation that he gave her.
How does one become so warped in their own reality? Lav is literally insane. She contradicts herself almost every other sentence.
Lav whipping out every tactic to save herself in this convo, we all know every word she says is a blatant lie right?
>whipping out every tactic
She didn't ult tho
this is some amber heard level shit. Love when Destiny asks her a simple question like "what did i do to you?" and she responds with "STEVEN😭" like if you really felt like something was wrong or if something was really wrong then you would have a much more valid answer than "you made me uncomfortable" on top of that, she cant even explain WHY she felt uncomfortable. Anyone who has a single brain cell will immediately dismiss Lav.
“Idk why I feel the way I do and maybe its my fault but its hard you know?” - Actual Lav quote.
In the end she couldn't even commit to saying "YOU made me uncomfortable, in THIS particular way". Just some vague bs like "I was generally uncomfortable during that time, but I'm definitely not implying it has anything to do with you, even though I'm specifically saying that I was uncomfortable during that precise period of time - but don't misunderstand me STEVEN, I was just saying I was uncomfortable, not blaming you"
@@Hemlocker Yep, i typed that when i first came across it. You're right she couldn't even commit to the fickle argument she had in the start. Anytime Destiny asked to explain it, it was "I dont want to speak about publicly" or "I already explained it". She constantly plays the victim card as if every single thing revolves around her, she has to be held accountable. its ridiculous
All the people I've ever had issues with if they asked me what they did I'd be able to rattle off a bunch of stuff. The fact she couldn't bring up one thing says a lot about her.
Johnny Depp is still a wife beater. If you want to talk about accountability.
25:50 the “WHAATTTT?!?!?!” had me cracking up lmao
I'm so glad someone called Lav out on the "I'm not helping Max, I just gave him the logs" bs I thought I was losing my mind there
This woman should literally be jailed for lying this much lmao. She’s literally the definition of being a fake victim.
Literally shows how some females nowadays make fake scenarios in their head and when presented with facts that disprove their claims they act all shock. This woman is bashing his relationships publicly and got offended he brought up her fiancé? 😂 like Jesus Christ
An aggressive fake victim at that lol I remember a while back Sneako said he admired her ability to aggressively play the victim. She really has mastered that
@@Xxxxavvs kinda sad that this is what a lot of our generation is turning into doing. Anyone can barely take accountability and they’ll betray people that have real genuine attentions with them and fuck them over with no hesitation. And let’s not forget on how they worship the actual toxic individuals. Treat them like shit and they adore you, actually care about them and you go through the most absurd shit a person can imagine.
All I'm saying is.... if this isn't defamation then idk what is.
Bro Destiny needs to sue at this point because they are actively trying to spread false information at not only him but multiple other people.
whoever predicted that lav was gonna walk back everything she said and claimed is giving prometheus a run for his money 😮💨
Fun drinking game: Take a shot everytime Lav says “Steven,” as if Destiny has forgotten his name and needs to be constantly reassured that Lav is in fact talking to him.
26:45 is a masterstroke honestly. When D says “shall I say everything you said about him and you can tell me if I’m lying?” You can see on Lav’s face that she’s panicking, mouth open to appear indignant but it's a subconscious marker of panic (far easier to control your breathing inconspicuously when you can breathe through your mouth rather than your nose)
Either she says “Yes” and Destiny likely says things that are so specific/personal/private that there’s literally no way he would know about them unless Lav told him, or she says “No” and confirms that he’s telling the truth and that she doesn’t want it addressed. Annoyed that Destiny let that line of inquiry go because that was a silver bullet.
She could not be more obviously petrified
edit: don't want people thinking I'm salivating at someone being scared for no reason other than entertainment. imo, Lav is a disgusting human being. A vapid manipulator who will say and do anything to garner sympathy and attention, no matter who's life it may ruin or who's career is in jeopardy
I think he's keeping it in his back pocket for when she wants to really fuck around. Cause he drops that and her life and relationship is OVER
Jesus analytical much? I’m a conservative who loves destiny and supports his very honest platform. It’s a rarity nowadays. What the hell provoked you to write a Novel on some insignificance within this video?! LOL
I just want him to drop the fucking bomb, its bullshit already, she peddles so much bullshit
@Spell-Check Bot man, it's a couple of paragraphs. Literacy need not be partisan
@@SpellCheckBot A conservative thinking 3 paragraphs is enough to constitute an essay is a pretty sound measuring stick for the intellect of the whole group tbh
everytime someone like lav comes along i think yo myself "surely this person is a one-off and he wont interact w a person like that again", but the way he always ends up getting screwed over despite extending an olive branch is kinda inspirational. goodness in the face of insane twitter/twitch-tards is a value id like to embody as well
I obviously only know Steven from seeing him online, but it’s hard to believe he would mess around with blatantly lying, considering his strategy (even if you’d consider it only self interested) for dealing with drama… which means she DEFINITELY shit talked her fiancé behind closed doors and thought it would never come back to bite her ass. Not that surprising, but it’s really entertaining
25:45 is the time stamp, she also has a consistent way of acting appalled when she gets caught in a lie instead of actually engaging, because that’s the only strategy she has left. If she is telling the truth I would be surprised because she 100% looks like a liar, and a bad one at that.
Are you meaning she as in Destiny or she as in Lav when you say they were shit talking their fiancé?
that look on her face when shes screaming that shes disgusted and acting confused (like she has weaponised the whole conversation through is) is so satisfying because at that moment you can see in her eyes she didn't see that one coming and is just sort of hoping something comes to her to be able to escape🤣🤣
@@griffiththechad9483 lol
She's scared shitless of this conversation. Stalling in the beginning (small talk deez nuts), performative snark and interrupting constantly. Good stuff.
Steven.....steven....Steven....
This girl is so good at bad faith convos. It’s uncanny.
“Welcome to the orbiters club” is pretty damning.
I wonder if lavs husband knows she talks sh*t about him to other men
Apparently not with the way she reacted to it.
All the men involved are willfully ignorant about that though, every few months some guy blows up because Melina is bitching about Destiny and how she wants to leave him and everyone laughs it off
@@envl I think that was the most satisfying part of the whole interaction... The way she feigned that he was lying, followed by the immediate pivot to "You're threatening me now?!" Showed just how terrified she was.
I'm glad Destiny had the integrity not to leak anyway, but part of me just wanted to see her get a taste of her own medicine.
steps to manipulate lav
step 1. act friendly to her and validate her
step 2. talk about something normal someone else does
step 3. imply said thing is wrong in vague ways using catch all terms (manipulative abusive and/or power dynamic)
She will shit talk and ""misremember"" how things went with that person as long as you keep validating her. She was basically begging you to go down this route where she would pin this on max because the validation is comforting to her. Thats why she kept saying "oh no thats just what max says". If you would've taken the bait she would absolutely have shit talked max.
That would've been getting manipulated by Lav so that she can shirk more responsibility, not the other way around.
@@notan3144 These are actions you can take to get her to trash talk anyone. Her asking for it to happen is just her mentally ill nature with little intent behind it. I justify that by saying she clearly has little social and emotional intelligence as evident by how optically bad she appears. Its clear what she wants and she clearly has no ability to achieve it. She wants infinite validation from others and manages to get the opposite from the vast majority making the worst possible decisions for herself every chance she gets.
Lav or Lea is such a gaslighting PoS. She claims she was quiet the entire time??? She literally made fun of Destiny with a person she knows doesn’t like him 😂😂😂😂
That's his DAUGHTER
I spent 20 years with someone like her. It never ends well. The good thing is this is public and she can’t weasel out of folks reality. He keeps trying to save her and she won’t accept that grace.
Keep in mind its been proven that Lav has been proven to make blatantly false and malicious sexual assault claims against men she disagrees with
Melina entirely predicted this, said right after Lav left that she'll try and claw her way back in eventually, though it did take longer than expected.
common Mel W
The person I feel worst for is Lav's husband. She doesn't love him and will never build a healthy home.
Lav: I didn’t know you needed proof for everything you say about someone so I don’t believe you need to do that
Destiny: you talked about me multiple times
Also Lav: substantiate! Show me the proof!
40:00 Destiny asked her what he specifically did wrong with her ten minutes before this point and she still can't give a precise answer. That's so freaking weird, I would've lost my mind lol
People like Lav give me very little hope for the future generations of this country.
Holy shit I regret wishing for more lav/Mr girl drama. I had totally forgotten how hard it is to listen to her trying to wiggle her self out of the shit she herself caused.
I find the Lav/Mr. Girl stuff interesting because I can relate their abusive behavior to the behavior of a girl I dated who was incredibly abusive towards me. It's really interesting to be a 3rd party and clearly hearing things that I can remember from my relationship but I didn't realize it was manipulative at the time, and I especially like having Destiny there to notice it and call it out.
That being said, those two are just terrible to listen to for any extended amount of time. It drives me insane.
Like what? I just saw lav maneuvering and jumping to other topics when called out
@@winter666madness A good example would be when Destiny brought up her shit talking her fiancé. She has the fear of god in her eyes, attempts to ramp up emotions so she can 1) talk a bunch, 2) make the emotions carry her lies as people tend to believe ppl who are passionate/emotional, and 3) attempt to intimidate Destiny into shutting up and not continuing. Directly after, she JUMPS on the opportunity to say he "threatened her," which is an insane read of what happened.
Literally this, man. Every single nuance in her behaviour takes me back to the girl that flipped my life upside down and squeezed me for all I was worth emotionally, mentally and physically.
“I’m not working with Max, I just handed him the logs of all of our personal conversations and continue to talk to him about you and your relationships, Destiny.”
35:53 lol "it's kinda your responsibility to do that"
Then she tries to backpedal on that statement when Destiny presses her on it.
She couldn’t handle the open relationship and when she couldn’t control him she got burned and now she’s just straight up lying.
Dude I hate how she calls him Steven and is constantly saying his name. It feels so condescending.
“Steven. Steven. Steven, I’m just going to need you to talk a little bit slower, okay?”
Nah, I think she's trying to appeal to the side of him that was once close to her
27:01 to see Lav blatantly lie in front of their entire audience and try to gaslight viewers LIVE
"You just THREATENED me!" when he hadn't said anything even similar to a threat
She was trying to stretch the "If you want to release personal details about me, I'll release personal details about you" thing into a threat. Which is the most hilarious kind of threat. She's pointing a gun at him, then he points one back and she's like "Oh my god, you're LITERALLY brandishing a WEAPON at me. LITERALLY. HOW do you think you have the high ground???" while still pointing a gun at him the whole time.
She says she doesn’t talk shit but that’s all she does.
The problem is Lav most likely fallen for Destiny (she stil smiles when she recalls their thing from the past) and it messed her up emotionally. Her entering the streaming backfired and made her even more miserable, because Destiny did what he said and their relationship was not a component to their work on debates. She had disagreements on streams with him, other people were shitting on her, and the worst part for her is that he wasn't particularly defensive or supportive enough which what she expected given their past. Adding to that she couldn't handle his life style, which I imagine is far from perfect and not for anybody, but that's how he rolls and It looks like he's perfectly honest about that and very self aware. She's not self aware at all. It got ugly as it usually happens in these situations, they fought, they split, and then she hate watched him for a while because she's clearly self-destructive. She said too much publicly because she felt hurt, got gaslighted she was abused and now can't admit she made mistake and implied horrible things about him which she doesn't believe are true. Unfortunately she's also not very bright and can't realize she was played all along by very cunning Mr Girl who desperately wants some dirt on Destiny to form his own narrative. She needs to think a little bit and let go.
Lav has completely destroyed her reputation as a streamer, OF content creator, and a musician. Imagine driving around listening to Lav sing? That's suicide fuel.