Doubt this will be heard, but Destiny is not equipped to handle the type of psychological manipulation that Mr. Girl plays in. He needs to be very careful with that dude
Aba is a man’s name Dan is a friend’s name Stardust is a space name Chaeiry is a fruit’s name Lav is a cringe name MrGirl is a trans name Darius is a league champ name Brittany is a level 5 name Pxie is a fairy’s name 4Thot is a janitor's name And finally Destiny is indeed a woman’s name
Max would feel attacked, and then tell you about how you shouldn't make him feel that way because of the power differential of you owning the house he is staying rent free in.
@@funicon3689 Yeah if it weren't for the Drama loops he'd be trying to convince us that the DNC still hasn't failed us as an institution. I applaud Destiny for trying to bridge the gap between the left and the right, but telling all of us that we still gotta vote blue no matter who is not the solution.
MrGirl and Lav, it's not the subreddit's fault that you guys look bad, it's what you both say on the internet. You two dont need any help to look bad, you guys need therapy and stay away from debates online.
100% agree, instead of asking destiny why he cant stop the hate from his community, They could ask themselves why they are hated by the community. They'll never do this, because both of them are unable to take responsibility for the things they say, its either "I'm misunderstood" or "I didn't think about it enough" Always, conviently placed ready to defend their ego. I really wish destiny would just drop them both.
Let's not forget that Girl's entire internet following started with him making a Cuties review where he said he got sexually aroused by seeing little girls dance. He is pathologically allergic to saying things that are normal.
Mr. Girl's opinions of Destiny's community are extremely insulting during this conversation. Then he's upset that they don't like him, and claims it's Destiny's responsibility to make them be nice. Brittany nailed it with the entitlement point.
The big thing Aba is getting at is it seems that Lav wants it both ways. She wants to have her statements hold weight and to be taken seriously in a conversation, but then also acknowledges that many of her takes aren’t especially fleshed out. The question Aba would pose is, what credibility can we give to any of your statements if she quickly acknowledges their flaws?
Still, that one I found a bit weird as it's so nuanced. Ofc you don't want someone like Sneako who just sticks to his point no matter how stupid it is, but I can also she how Lav overdoes it in the other direction. So easy to make superlative statements & then get stuck on them :x I think her other topics later were much worse & easier to formulate the flaws for
Because teehee I'm just a dumb girl look how cute I am, why doesn't anyone take me seriously? I hate this term but the girl has internalized mysoginy-ed herself r*tarded.
*Speaks for 3 minutes to convey something that can be easily condensed into 2 or 3 sentences* "Wait ar-" "SHUT THE FUCK UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP LET ME TALK, YOU AREN'T LETTING ME TALK, SHUT UP, SHUT UP LET ME TALK" *Continues rambling* Repeat until you have 3 hours of content.
He is so manipulative. I am really starting to hate him - and I have never really hated anyone in life. I really don't like seeing how Destiny is allowing him to bully him that much. Lav and MrGirl both wont a special treatment.
@@scapedebate3730 I mean if u listen to this convo Mr girl wants lav to have special treatment lav legit said I just want thing that are just hate for being hate being taken down which tbf even destiny bans people for racist and masoginistic comments so that's fair
Mrgirl and lav are so fucking annoying. Id rather the sneako debates tbh, than listening to mrgirl and lav say the same shit, with different words 150 times a stream
His world view lets him write off any criticism as the other person not being honest with him. But anything he says is him saying how he feels and that’s valid
@@TheGokuend it seems weird because he will bring up a point, shoot down everyone elses remarks about it, engages in cherrypicked little points that make him feel better but orbit the actual point, in the end vehemently defends a point that proved him wrong and when someone points it out starts passing the bag of bullets he got to chew through to other people so he doesnt have to get his teeth dirty. he throws in nukes then blames other people for pressing the nuke button hes still holding the keys to. but if anybody points it out theyre traumatized gaslighting manipulative dishonest bipolar detached whatever psych terms
"You shouldn't have called her a bitch, but Lav shouldn't call people bitches either" but the problem is that she already did, she already swung, and he swung back. Imagine a house guest of yours getting attacked and you attack the attacker and Max comes out like "ummm hitting people in your home is an abuse of power, you shouldn't be doing that"
No, it’s more like Arrax hitting Vhagar in the face with a fireball and Vhagar responding with killing Arrax. Vhagar being the bigger dragon needs to show much more restraint and caution when dealing with the weaker dragon because Vhagar if reckless or stupid or malicious can do far more damage than Arrax can. This equally applies to Steven and Lav. Steven can do far more much damage to her than she can do to him so he needs to be so much more careful. Now sure, Lav and Arrax shouldn’t start any conflict in the first place and there should be consequences of sort but the more powerful individual/animal must remain tender and calm and act in a lesser manner to prevent much more harm and danger. There is a massive power differential that you and Steven are completely ignoring
@@tripledigit4835 seems more about the simple fact that you give what you get. Just because someone is “weaker” doesn’t mean you should treat them any differently. Even tho Steven is a much bigger streamer, they’re both people. When you’re online, at times it doesn’t matter who you are, if you’re disrespectful at some point someone will match you’re energy. Your example isn’t really that good tbh. If Lav called Destiny a bitch and he retaliated with the same insult then it’s equal footing. In your example it usually depends
@@tripledigit4835 You're basically asking of Destiny to put aside himself such that other (smaller streamers) can freely insult him without him being able to do EXACTLY the same. Why should he have fewer rights? Can you give any example where two adults are given equal rights and it's unfair?
@@ON-ry8iw you should absolutely treat weaker people differently. Treating them the same will mean they will face a greater harm than you will. The fact you can’t see the power differential is flabbergasting
@@jonasc1221 -the right to make political donations, billionaires can donate way more than working class people making billionaires more influential on politics -any other right that involves money -any race neutral, gender neutral, neuro neutral policy when you reside in a nation with systemic racism, sexism and ableism
Just like with Lav throwing the r and b word at everyone but is acting butthurt when the b word is directed at her. They make up one set of rules for them and another for everyone else after the fact.
@@davidkay1948I just made it to the point where that dude essentially said "I've latched on to the resource that is Destiny, and due to that fact I am entitled to certain protections from that resource." This so cringe (from a right winger) since he is making THE SAME argument that leftists make about "emotion labor"... I actually can't believe anyone is entertaining this idea ABA was 100 on this one
I think the problem with Lav isn't that she changes her mind, but it's that she has opinions on things that she hasn't thought through enough and aggressively pushes those opinions on other people. Then, when someone challenges her, she can concede points, but it feels weird as to why she would be acting so confidently in the first place about things that she couldn't sufficiently defend. Which explains why people call her dumb.
And as Aba was trying to say, she does this constantly and always uses the same excuse of being young. It shows a complete lack of growth and there's no point in talking with her on anything. I don't understand what destiny sees in her for the life of me, other than her husband apparently lmao.
her arguments dont follow any logic, they are all emotion based, and thats not how debates work. so when she finds out she's wrong, she doesnt absorb the logic of why, she emotionally obfuscates the argument, and we all feel like she didnt actually learn anything, because she is purely emotional and illogical. thats why everyone feels gipped when she apologizes, because we know she doesnt actually understand or learn. destiny is a facts dont care about your feelings guy, he is a pugilist in a debate and he is debating emotional children. also, i didnt realize we destiny fans were zombified by destiny, and if he calls someone dumb, we all obey unquestionably. like any rational, logical arguing person wouldnt come to the conclusion that she is illogical. her and mr girl are too soft for this. if you cant handle the fight, get out of the ring.
@@ivansmirnoff6987 Yeah this is the main problem. Do it once or twice and you can chalk it up to being young and naive. Do it in nearly every single conversation and now you're just an arrogant moron who doesn't know when to shut up. She doesn't know how to say "I don't know" or "I don't have an opinion" before giving her opinion on something she knows nothing about or hasn't even thought about. She is the embodiment of "fake it til you make it" with people who aren't trying to fake it and she gets called out on it. She might not be dumb, but she hasn't shown otherwise.
It blows my mind how unaware Max is of how much he'll monologue and talk over everyone else. Then when they do get a chance to speak, he'll cut them off, put words in their mouth and then continue monologuing. On top of that, he'll accuse them of cutting him off if they try to finish a single point. I enjoy this mental illness arc and Mr. Girl content immensely. It's like a candy shop of narcissism.
The blantant misogyny of MrG is next-level. When he was talking to the girls Starbuxx or whatever her name is & also Pixie, he kept telling them to shut the f up over & over while interrupting them. Idk what his problem is w/ women bc I haven't watched him, but anyone who listens to his convos can detect a deep-seated animosity. I'm guessing it's mommy issues 🤷🏼♀️
"And you are the Fcking hypocrite! You are the biggest hypocrite that I've seen in my life" By @Stardust to @MrGirl The most true statement in 2 hours+ of me listening to this entitled person, that someone is not fair to them. "Ohhh life is not fair to me, everyone has to do what I say" @MrGirl please grow up, people don't have to play by your rules because you FEEL like you are entitled to be treated a certain way. Especially demand it from someone, and try to make them the one who is at fault for not doing something that only you think that you and everyone are obligated to this type of treatment. What a waste of time listening to this person! Talking to the wall is more productive 😅🤣
This is it. Destiny finally achieved greatness. He finally managed to put together a debate panel where the number of participants is higher than a sum of their combined braincells....all of which belong to Aba. This is peak content.
Yeah. At this point Max needs to realize he is responsible for the way his words are interpreted. Dont like the interpretation? Then become a better communicator. Though I genuinely think its on purpose. If people "dont understand" him, then he is able to exert absolute control over the conversation. If he doesnt like where its heading, he can simply take the reigns by saying "thats not what I said", and steer it in another direction under the guise of nuance
I wudnt bother with people who argue their own poin it's like watching hari kiri lol but I aviold people like that coz they love going in circles so they can b heard
How can Mr Girl say that he has the right to be intentionally confusing and then still get mad when people "misunderstand" him? This guy takes having your cake and eating it too to a whole new level.
Oh, I'm reminded of when I used to watch youtube videos about reddit posts on r/ChoosingBeggars Can't believe I didn't connect Mr Girl to that until I read your comment
the way that people would point out how they were ok with destiny doing something, only for mr girl to interject on their behalf “actually didn’t you mean to say destiny was wrong??”
Looking back this was really the opening salvo of his "investigation" in letting Lav fire off the first shot and then acting like an innocent bystander. When he re-told this story later it was always pitched as he happened to be in a random convo and had to be the voice of empathy.@@realallblue2200
It's feels like getting teeth pulled anytime Max joins a call with his emotionally hurt voice. It's just hard to listen him be so rude to people and then talk at length about how Destiny is hurting his feelings by not treating him special.
@@Stop_Gooning Why say shit like that? There's a billion ways to criticize him without using a slur. Stuff like this gives his arguments actual weight.
@@waynewayne8419 I think a common sense view from a reasonable grown up normal dude is valuable to have, particularly with so many whacky people being kind of silly these days
@@waynewayne8419 How can you say Aba offers nothing when he clearly called out Mrgirl's lack of charisma during the fuentes ark. He called out sneako multiple times with really good insight of why he got banned and what he should have done. Even now he called out Lav for her grandstanding on topics that she will 180 on at the slightest pushback. Aba offers reasonable common sense insight that the people in this space seem to not understand.
@@waynewayne8419 you think Aba is a pseudo genius LMAO nah. From my perception he literally just seems like a regular down to earth dude with a good amount of common sense. Like many people. Dude is based lol
It really is astounding how Mr. Girl can take your argument, reshape it into something slightly different, and then present it back to you as something completely stupid or unhinged and make it sound believable. As a viewer, you can see what he's doing from a mile away, but I'm sure when you're having a personal argument with him it seems totally sound. I'm really sorry for anyone who's ever been in a relationship with him.
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 the fact that he can do shit like that and then feign indignancy because "people just don't understand" is the biggest manipulation. Being called a dumb bitch by Destiny isn't nearly as bad as a one minute conversation with this guy
I'm genuinely worried for his current gf. Abusers, when they feel depressed and/or wronged as Max does now, boiling with anger, usually take it all out on their significant other. Sheilan was still defending him last week with the Chaery/Stardust thing, but she's under his spell, probably so used to their dynamic by now not to realize just how much this is dangerous for her, both mentally and physically (Max has hit his ex-wife when angry...with his dad. He made a video about it, of course...)
And on top of all of that, he could legitimately make their whole arguments for both sides, and debate better for both sides then they could ever dream of even being a fraction as good at laying out the argument as he is, all while doing it without resorting to using emotions.
The fact that someone cant listen to Aba and understand him is fucking insane. One of the most well spoken, and one of the best interpersonal communicators I've ever seen, and someone can't fucking listen for 20 seconds and even try to understand. Idk the temp in the room felt cool but I wasn't there. Seems wack man, Aba was straightforward
Sometimes on weekends when I don't want to spend money I buy a bottle of tequila, randomly choose one bingo buzzword, rewatch the end of this arc, and take a shot every time it's said. "Power differentials" was the word I am now dead
I think my take-away from the MrGirl conversations over the last two months or so, are that MrGirl thinks _you_ abiding by _his boundaries_ is the only acceptable way to behave. I hate to bring Her up, but I'm surprised Destiny doesn't push back more on a tactic he really should recognize -- someone who regularly weaponizes the concept of boundaries as a means to compel you to do something, or to make you accept a violation of your own boundaries. You know, like, _"Me getting to criticize you is my boundary, and you have to abide by it. If you want to criticize me, though, you can't, because it crosses my boundary."
Mr.Pedo- “I’m a leech (oops i mean orbiter), and since I’m a leech, and I’m doing so from your community, and you allow it, I want you to also, be very aware and careful of how you say things, so that my entire platform doesn’t go up in smoke since the only “fans” I have are actually just your fans that I’ve leeched” The pedo is absolutely unhinged… he is legit asking destiny to be aware of the fact that he is more powerful then he is, and then wants him to change how he says things based on that, on HIS OWN platform…. He tries to pull the same BS on his subreddit…. Like Pedo, just because destiny is a girls name, and your username has girl in it, doesn’t mean you get to act like you get to decide or control how destiny speaks on HIS OWN platform, or how he moderates his OWN subreddit… If you don’t like that, go make your own platform and subreddit off of your own merits, do so without the need to be a leech, or orbiter… since you like to word things in the nicest way possible for yourself…. The Pedo has the biggest god complex, he truly is trying to sit there and “ask” (he’s telling Steven) how to be on his own channel and subreddit…. Destiny is a much more caring and passionate girl, then I ever could dream of being as a man…. If that was me, the Pedo would have been got the boot, you’re not going to take my kindness allowing you to leech a career off of me and my community, and then while talking to me on my OWN platform act like you have any right to demand how I am/say on MY PLATFORM and MY SUBREDDIT…..
Lav's opinion on the [redacted] situation boggles my mind. The fact she's saying Destiny's responsible for more harm than he's willing to own up to while in the same breath, absolving [redacted] of any proper authority over their months of actions by shoving them all under the umbrella of "triggered behavior" is actually insane. What she seems to understand about the situation doesn't feel like much.
Of course. This is the same same broad that literally shit all over amouranth until she saw a fucking vice video of all things and thought she was a "girl boss" after. She's so fucking painfully surface level with her takes it hurts. I've met smarter chicks going for useless degrees in college.
Destiny is a stoic and abrasive man (you wouldn't guess it from the name) and [redacted] is a woman who likes to get upset and cry. Of course Destiny is responsible for both his and her feelings and actions and [redacted] is responsible for nothing.
I don't think anyone can look at the [redacted] situation and side with [redacted]. Maybe destiny shouldn't have been so quick to pump and dump fans but the way she acted afterwards is completely insane. He's done literally everything he can to try and make her stop and she always re-loops anyway, she unironically scares me. She seems like she might in-minecraft destiny or herself one day
@@Bonkiss There's a lot of people Destiny interacts with that I don't know much about, but I legit didn't know anything about Darius until he showed up in this video. Not his name, face, actions, etc.
Lav and mrgirl just make every conversation so unbelievably complicated when they are the most simple and straight forward concepts. This HAS been peak content, but holy shit these 2 know how to draw out a conversation
I think the major factor contributing to their problems in how they are perceived is how poor their communication style is. Besides drawing out everything endlessly, the first thing they need to learn is how to behave in a conversation: Interrupting others less, listening to them and believing that what they said is actually what they mean would, at least for Lav, reduce the backlash by 50%. Despite the negative feedback, they never learn how unintentionally disrespectful they are. There aren't many things worse in a conversation than being interrupted in the middle of every sentence and after finally making a point, the conversation partner feels the need to reinterpret everything you said in extreme and uncharitable ways or plays word games.
Hate how defensive they can be. Lav is so on the edge that she can barely get past the first sentence before cutting the person off and commenting about either how it's wrong or it's her strength. I'm fine with listening to conversations they have about different concepts because it can be somewhat interesting, but this drama is just absolutely brainrotting.
Idk who Lav is, but if her worst error is changing her mind & being non-committal about her options, I hope everyone knows that those behaviors are common in women due to patriarchal pressures & norms. I get annoyed when other women behave that way, but I now realize there's tremendous social pressure on us to be agreeable. Plus, millions of years of evolution being smaller/ weaker taught us to be more socially sensitive & respond cooperatively when males express aggression. Modern messaging about girl bossing really doesn't change all the underlying pressures & instincts that govern human behavior
Mr Girl and Lav are the pinnacle of non existent self awareness Mr girl saying that the sub reddit makes him look bad, maybe you make yourself look bad.
There are definitely counterarguments to the things they say. The fact that you have to set the bar so low for you to process what is happening says that you're probably stupid.
@@HDWABBIT You're doing the same thing. You cant engage, so you simplify until you can at least understand something - however distorted that simplification is.
Mr Girl losing his mind over finally being confronted with all the ways he is an abusive manipulator in a conversation where he is trying to tell Destiny how abusive he is is definitely my favorite episode of this arc. BRB going to have Mr Girl begging Stardust to not out him as an abusive piece of shit set as my ringtone.
I like both of these guys, as both of them seem to be level headed and fairly "sane" people. But just 2 of them together in a stream would be boring cause they would probably agree on most things. Aba as the voice of reason only filling in before or after the chaos is very nice I feel.
Ah yes, the return of the "Destiny, you're responsible for your platform, and because I suffered an interaction I didn't like at the hands of someone in your community, that means you haven't done your due diligence and I'm demanding you be better" arc. Welcome to 3 hours of two of the most irresponsible content creators explain to someone who's been doing what they've done for longer that it's unfair that Destiny doesn't shield them from the consequences of their actions.
"You need to acknowledge how much power you have over other people." "I do." "But I'm still banned so you've not. >:(" Bro sounds like he'd be sending strongly worded emails to customer support asking for his account to be unbanned after dropping slurs because he thinks the company is abusing disproportionate power.
Right I only recently started watching destiny and fairly lost lol. But it does seem like they are asking for concessions and deferential treatment for themselves. After pointing out he doesn't take responsibility for others post on his stuff unless truly off
@@aSSGoblin1488 it’s like hassan being a communist, who talks down about capitalism, and every single business owner while also, being a business owner with multiple merch lines, and profiting Immensely, off of the very system he vows is killing millions of people…. Rule for the, not for me
This was an absolute shit show, there's so much to unpack here but the one thing that I want to point out is the fact Mr. Girl and Lav tried to weaponize the [redacted] situation without even knowing what happened. They are both actually gaslighting and abusive just freaking gross.
Holy shit, i became a fan post the Mr Girl/Lav drama and didn’t know this was the extent of their insanity. Mr Girl Trynna gaslight Destiny for protection in his self imposed parasitic relationship is actually fucking wild.
It really do be sad how the most sane person in the Destiny orbiting community ends up starting a civil war just by saying something based. Usually, he'd be the one to put an end to the conflicts, but sense everyone else is too mentally ill to take some damn criticism they just get triggered and then more fuel gets added to the fire.
If you say that you're wrong and change your mind it's cool. But if you do that all the time, what's the point of me talking to you, since I would just start to assume that you just don't know what you're talking about 90% of the time, and turns from a debate into a lesson, and that's not the point here. Difference between her and Sneeko is that you can actually "Win" against him, and it doesn't matter if you change HIS mind (cause you won't) but people in his community will see him be wrong and maybe change their mind about him.
@@mattattack75 it's a good skill as a person, but it's not when they have a debate. Debaters don't give a shit if YOU change your mind, more about if your community changes their mind. And she kinda cheats by going "oh I never really intended to stand by that statement"
@@mattattack75 no she's not flippant she's snakey like Dan said. She's starts a argument with so much conviction but when you press her on a point she dances around what she really meant. Everything has different definitions in "her world view". By the end you never truly know where she stands
god aba has to be my fav honestly he makes really good points and is actually pretty respectful when he talks to others in a debate and isn’t poisoned by the internet, he’s like the everyman of the DGG universe
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Throughout the discussion, ESPECIALLY when the boss analogy started falling apart Max will do these emotional outbursts that completely pivot the topic away from the ground he is clearly losing on. I think the reason it's so effective is because we see Max do this same tactic in situations where he's being attacked by a bad faith person like the Jump dude. But whenever there is a reasonable push back in this conversation he uses he "I am pissed off because you're pissing me off" thing to pivot hard
Its a cringe way to guilt trip everyone into caving into his demands. "Everyone STOP. Pay attention to me! My feelings are being hurt rn so screw whatever you want, what I want is most important."
been loving watching destinys content but lav makes my brain work less, shes arguing that its a strength to have strong opinions in serious conversations about things you then end up admitting you haven't really thought through, thats not a strength lol
Man, that would've made a good _Degrassi_ episode. Character is a streamer, he tells his friends about people he talks to on stream, the audience sees VODs like this, and the end-of-Part-1 "reveal" is that he's not really streaming. He can have an intervention in Part 2.
It is proof there is not a powerful Jewish cabal, cause if they were they would have shut him down ages ago just to avoid being labeled slimy by association.
I think the funniest part of this conversation was Max arguing that he doesn’t DARVO anybody as he is actively doing it. Also Darius coming and wilding out on Max and Lav was the embodiment of chat showing up to the conversation.
Mr. Girl: STARDUST YOU TRIED TO RUIN MY LIFE. I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU AGAIN! Mr. Girl 10 seconds later: Steven why would you say that you would cut ties with her if she pressed this issue? That's the most extreme cancel culture I've ever seen!
This is one of those vids where I like to imagine that steven is having an argument with the voices in his head and he's sitting in a room screaming at nobody.
I love how every time Steve tries to peel back the layers of contradiction from Lavs statements MrGirl runs interference and convinces Lav is fine to continue gaslighting herself along with everyone around her. The gaslight duo.
I think it’s because he sees his own tactics in her behaviour. If she starts realizing that Stevie is legitimately trying to help her, then Mr. Girl loses his chess piece of “It’s not only me you do this to!!”
It is even crazier when you realize that everyone else's complaints about Lav were Mr girls exact complaints about Lav only a few fucking weeks ago 😭it is actually insane
Ideally, in his world, you don't talk at all. He's an empath and knows what you really think and feel and therefore he can do the talking for you, too.
I subscribed to Destiny because of the political debates about two months ago. Did not expect to get consumed by the reality streamavision of this channel. It's not a boss/employee relationship. It is a mall. Steven is the main attraction. Everyone else is a smaller shop. If they go out of business, it is not on Steven. Max has no right to ask for changes on how he manages his business. Side note: favorite character is Darius. His outbursts are golden
I've never watched Destiny and only know MrGirl like most know him (creepy movie review), but listening to all this is mind numbing. Darius saying "Steven just plays his game and let's people talk" is exactly what this seemed like. It's live reality TV.
Aba is not only one of the sanest Destiny talks to on the regular, he is also in the TH-cam chat gang - He is one of us! If this is Civil War then Aba is TH-cam-man, defender of bad chat interface and voices screaming into a void. You are our saviour Aba! Our Captain America of Canadian origin. Who is watching the watchers? Aba - since he is the only one watching TH-cam chat!
I love how Lav comes in with these really hot takes, then gets called out and makes it all about the fact that she is able to change and not address the issue that she shouldn't come so hard on points she is gonna drop within the next 24-hours.
Listen I'm just good at changing my mind when I'm proven wrong there's no reason to hate me for this fact like you know...hee hee! I'm so random heehehehhe (:
I'm not familiar with this conflict beyond the video... But I hear Lav owning up, and being reasonable and every time the conversation gets to the point where Destiny and her can connect, MrGirl(?) interrupts and says something like "uh... Lav, so just like... Destiny is exercising and flexing his power over you and you shouldn't answer him and also Destiny do you not realize what you are doing when you says.,/kfaoewinfaiuwef hbiuawehbfnjhabwefuhjgvabwejhrfawe" this dude sounds like he shouldn't be on the internet. He doesn't sound sane.
@@MAS7s 2 things. Lav isn't actually opening up, she is acting like she is to deflect from the real criticism. She owns her bad takes, which is good, but she doesn't own the fact that she comes in really HARD but then changes the next day. Also, [point 2] Mr Girl is such a fucking weirdo, you hit the nail on the head. 100%.
Why should Steven be more concerned about Lav's and Mr. Girl's reputations more than THEY are? It's not like Lav was caring about her reputation when she came in screaming and calling people bitches but the minute she gets checked, she runs screaming. What she and Max want is special treatment.
Mr Girl is the most frustrating person I ever have to listen to. Nobody is saying he isn't allowed to have feelings about the stream, and nobody is invalidating them. They are saying it's ok to have those feelings, but it is not ok to have expectations on Destiny to ACT on those feelings.
Tbh all of them talk in this strange way of intentionally Mis characterizing and mis understanding and play this weird mental gymnastics. Maybe I’m just too dumb but it doesn’t seem like anyone is actually trying to understand the other persons point.
I've never once heard Mr.Girl actually listen to someone else. He's an extreme narcissist to the point where he hyped himself up as an "empath" to the point where he thinks he can read other people's minds, and therefore can't possibly be wrong about anything ever. @@tonybankse
this arc is wild when I haven't seen anything and just found it in this vid, I have no idea what's going on, who half these people are or what's happened
Max joins a group call, wants to have a 1-on-1 conversation with one person in that call, talks about the other people on that call in a condscending manner, then gets mad that those people interject because they don't like the way he talked about them. If you want to have that conversation with Steven, do that in a private 1-on-1 chat. But when you choose to join a group call, every other person on that call has every right to interrupt when you talk about them in a way that they don't like. The dude complains about other people rejecting his feelings, but then does exactly that to a whole group of people by saying that they're bootlickers for speaking up for themselves when he mischaracterises them. My god, this man is INSUFFERABLE.
I actually just realized: Mr. Girl is the same as my mentally and physically abusive ex. The one that would hit me and then spin the whole narrative to say that “it wasn’t actually a hit but a love tap and because I flinched in the moment, I’m remembering it as much worse than it was.” Like I could see him giving a person a black eye and then trying to explain why the person is wrong for thinking the reason they have the black eye is him. Absolutely disgusting.
Max has hit his ex wife, when he was angry about his father. And of course, he made a (disgusting) video about it, more than probably without her consent... I'm very worried about Max's current gf. His personal lore is very concerning.
What gets me about Mr.Girl is that WHILE HE'S SPEAKING Destiny's chat is forming opinions and calling him dumb. They're a group of individuals with ideas and thoughts of their own. I don't understand how Mr.Girl doesn't understand that chat isn't some sort of grey goo. I wish he would *actually* think critically instead of just wandering around things and holding people to a standard that he isn't following. Edit: Holy shit I love Dan. Dan understands so much about these people and they all just disregard him because he doesn't give a shit about these weird mental-gymnastics.
The most Infuriating thing about Lav is that she will take accountability then walk it back, then take accountability then walk it back, then take accountability then walk it back. She'll blame herself then blame others. The perception people have of her souly is because of herself. It has nothing to do with her being a woman.
I love the fact that ABA comes in makes a poignant point gets shouted down before he can finish and then is just like fuck this shit I am out of here I don't need to be in the middle of a fucking panel.
Lol It was a very mature decision. Reminded me of an adult letting a child think they won when in reality the adult see’s arguing with an idiot is pointless. She reacted emotionally leading with ego. I am glad aba drops by these debates because it does feel like destiny is too charitable to a lot of insane people. In real life most people just wouldn’t engage with alot of this behavior
The level of dependency that MrGirl has on Destiny is kinda frightening. The fact he thinks he has basically no worth as a person unless he's orbiting Destiny is frankly really sad.
@@Stop_Gooning Honestly you're not wrong, unfortunately. The way he describes his relationship with Destiny is like a leech, and I feel like Destiny needs to remove MrGirl from his circle for both his and MrGirl's sake.
@@HappyMan0203 it's more like a possessive little girl who tried to make you her kitten, then hugs you, "I love you, I love you." but squeezes and squeezes until that kittens eyes pop out and it dies.
honestly pretty sad i think max and his channel were bound to die just based on how max is destiny gave him a crumb of clout and it feels like max just gave all his power to destiny and wants destiny to take responsibility for the power he unjustly thrust onto him
Its fascinating how Lav and Mr.girl can constantly lose the respect of whole communities just by their own actions in how they interact with others. Its actually insufferable seeing them constantly interrupt others while they are literally explaining their positions then get ass mad when someone interrupts them to clarify a misunderstanding in interpretation.
This is even more ironic because of how Mr girl says Destiny is the reason for the way they are getting treated. Him and Lav have done it themselves with the shit talking and bad arguments.
Wait, wait... Aba has a problem with Lav and then ducks out before they get to the bottom of that, but MrGirl steps in to white knight for her, and Destiny never had a moment to breathe. And now MrGirl and Lav think Destiny is abusive and unhinged. I know this wasn't the deciding video for the bridge-burning, but this is literally how all their discussions went back then. Person A has issue with Lav/MrGirl. One of those two step in to defend each other. Convo ends with MrGirl and Lav mad at Destiny by assigning person A's problems onto him. 😅 ridiculous.
Yep, that’s for sure Aba is WAY above this and Destiny is SUS for platforming some of these people despite knowing it’ll increase their sub account and income so they can control and mind fuck all of THOSE people.
Is Max aware during this conversation he does exactly what he doesn't want Steven to do? Literally bullies everyone else out of the conversation while using them to support his argument
2:44:44 the way Lav used Steven’s absence to kinda backhand him by acting like she’s being abused by Steven’s “boss power” so much that she can’t even speak her mind in his presence or else she’s gonna fall in his abusive trap, she couldn’t sneak it through tho, nice catch
Mr.Girl basically calling himself "leach" and somehow trying to make it a Destiny's problem, was the most bizarre moment of this whole circus. Who the fuck call a guy with a women name their Employee, without a contract or consent, then try to make them take responsibility.
@@QuanQC Oh my soul, YOU and people like YOUUUU are the reason why Mr girl feels validated to say this BS. His delusion was so bizarre and how he feels entitled to lay terms and conditions on Stevens platform. He wants to be babied/protected along with Lav and now it's established that Mr girl is leeching off Destiny teet. What else can be said
The projection to call Destiny abusive absolutely anytime he attempts to defend himself is unimaginable. I don't wish this on anyone... But August of course. He's eating good 👍
Watching Lav and Mr Girl literally simp back and forth for each other and run defense for each other is the most manipulative thing I’ve ever seen on a destiny stream. They both have on again off again relationships with the definitions of words when it best suites them. They both will both lie and then when you call them on it try to reframe the conversation. A great example of this is when Mr. Girl said destiny “said I raped someone” when it was clear destiny was making a hypothetical example to demonstrate the way mr girl uses language. AND THEN HE GOT AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE NO ONE CALLED HIM ON IT
The fact that he even framed what he said by using Destiny's phrase verbatim "like" which tells you it's a hypothetical and then he says "deStiNy iS sAyiNg IvE sAiD tHinGs IvE nEvEr sAiD!" And everyone let's him off with it except Steven one time.
Stardust: *Brings something up that Mr. Girl doesn't want to talk about* Max: I don't want to talk to you about this Destiny: Lav: *Bring something up that Destiny Doesn't want to talk about* Destiny: I don't want to talk to you about this Mr. Girl: That's so abusive *50 minute diatribe*
Dude, Stardust was actually being so cringe when Max cut her off there, though. She genuinely can't emotionally handle talking about the power play thing with Max, but refuses to admit it so instead allowed herself to become so triggered that she made false flashing allegations against him. Now she comes onto this stream to hijack a completely unrelated discussion by berating Max in an emotional tone about how awful he is for pointing out that she's too emotional to have this conversation with him. The cringiest part was, Stardust wasn't even talking to Max really, she's just trying in vain to convince chat and herself that she was completely justified in her actions during their past drama. Everyone is on the fuck Mr. Girl train, but honestly fuck Stardust.
@@---uk6uf you are never going to let the FALSE allegation thing go huh. Mr girl did treat her like shit and the example she brought up was an example of him doing the dehumanizing thing. She could have been less cringe about it. People hate mr girl cause he is horrible person and justified his horrible behavior as being emphatic, whereas star dust is an overall good person that did something terrible.
@@molsy1768 Dan is destiny's best friend and long time orbiter lol he doesn't work in the creator space, he makes content by causing creators to fight each other while he laughs in the back.
It’s pretty ironic how MrGirl recently criticized Destiny’s engagement with criticism on his subreddit, yet Destiny continues to speak with MrGirl despite being criticized by him constantly.
I find the way Mr. Girl and Lav answered the "who do you trust the most" question ridiculous. It's obvious Lav has a hard on for Max, but I'm more surprised by Max's answer. I feel like he said it's between Lav or Steven only because Lav defended him during the Stardust/Chairey shit, and that's it. There's no way he can have equal trust for both of them after all this time. I just don't believe it. I think Max is pandering to Lav's loyalty because manipulative people LOVE loyalty. Just my thoughts tho.
Right? Like it’s pretty abusive / manipulative for Max to blame Destiny for not getting any sleep for 2 weeks. Dude you can just log off, It’s a subreddit, not even your own. Take some accountability for your own self. since when did his life revolve around destiny? He’s desperate yet feels entitled. It’s messed up.
Lav really and truly does not think of anything until after words leave her mouth, its a content generator operating on all cylinders. Further edit, MrGirl has an incredibly entertaining flow of mental gymnastics. Actual Olympic levels, going for gold!
Coming back again, the stance of MrGirl is insane. Literally thinks it’s destiny’s responsibility to put protections in place for people who come on his stream? Yeah let’s just control the internet, good luck with that. Homeboy is delusional beyond belief, plus talked 70% of the time and effectively said nothing of substance
In our current times of incredible political turbulence, I come back to simpler times to reminisce on what was, and what couldve been. RIP Lav and Mr. Girl drama, you were fucking GOATed
Imagine having schizo pseudo-friends at your workplace, and 80% of what you do in a typical work day is babysit their emotions. Imagine being a Manager of Emotions as your job title.
Max: all this started because pixie asked me what I thought. What actually happened is pixie came on to tell Stephen what SHE thought was bad and unhealthy with max. Max then said very aggressively, ask me that don't just talk in front of me. He put emotional and social pressure on pixie to do something she didn't come on to do. That's fine to do that pixie could have ignored him if she wanted and kept speaking to Stephen rudely in front of him. It would have been socially difficult for her to do because of how rude it is. But possible. Max didn't literally force her but he came close. However its fine because its not literal forcing. But later he reframes what happened as pixie came on specifically to speak to max. Which is why its so important to hear what max thinks. But that wasn't it. Pixie should have been allowed to giv eher thoughts but max derailed and made it about him and then rewrote history so what he wants (him talking) was always what pixie wanted. This is such a good example of the light gaslighting max employs. He could understand why pixie would want to interrupt him if they all acknowledge she came to give her thoughts not listen to max
Imagine your (loosely connected online) friend suddenly claiming that you are their boss, then they spend an inordinate amount of time telling you, the 'boss' how you need to behave. Insulting people like Lav (despite any circumstances) will violate the unwritten policy drawn up in his head. Moderating your own spaces need to be in-line with employees you didn't know you had. Talking with controversial associates online needs to be pre-approved with your 'employee'. It's obviously weird to use the word 'boss', but Max is genuinely behaving as if Steven is violating Employee HR policies. It's concerningly manipulative at its best.
Sometimes. I agree with maybe 80-85% of what I’ve heard from him. I do really like how he has a different perspective being from Ethiopia and grew up in Canada.
Its hard to feel charitable for lav to me because im younger than her and still dont make such harsh stances and shit on people about it then use not knowing as an excuse(or hypocritically engage in the same thing i condemn, which i believe most people think is shitty)I think people have a responsibility when having a public platform to state opinions that they really thought about and can ground some how. Of course it doesnt have to be right, we all are still learning but under the SMALLEST of pressure it shows she hasnt really thought about some things. In some instances its like she never met or seen anything around the things shes talking about. Im not charitable to sneako either but i think MOST people online knows hes dumb. My dislike for mr.girl has definitely started to grow with these later videos
I'm gonna admit, I feel an affinity to lav as being emotionally undeveloped and also super arrogant about my views when I was younger. If I hadn't been so vocal about my views I would never have had the opportunities I had to not only learn how to research and engage with others better but also develop emotionally and not be so arrogant and contrarian. Yeah she is cringe to listen to, but also some of us take some time to not be so stupid and cringe. Also I think as Steven said it's so much easier to judge the zoomers when our shit was never really let out to the internet to be documented for ever and in such detail.
@@BAGG8BAGG Don't forget: she's making the choice to put everything out there forever, it's not just some mistake of youth.. And Destiny says he's glad the old LiveJournals aren't out there from when he was 18/19, because he was arrogant then, too, though, in reality, his LJ probably would've been active around 15/16, not 18/19. Regardless, she is a _woman_ in her _mid-twenties._ She's immature, but she is absolutely past the age where that's an excuse. She doesn't even have to change the fact that she's still working on sussing out her positions. Especially now that she's aware she's doing it, she should have had the maturity to say, "I'm changing my mind and growing a lot right now. I shouldn't take such aggressive stances -- especially when my aggressive stances are critical of other people -- until I feel more solid in my opinions."
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 everything with that final statement is true. But the main issue is that she says "she's wrong" but then immediately back tracks on that statement. She also continues to do the SAME exact thing she stated that she was wrong about. Its actually quite astounding to just sit back and watch sometimes tbh.
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 I totally agree with you. She is of the age where you would expect the foresight and emotional maturity to deal with those facts. She is also from a generation that seems to be delaying emotional maturity and understanding nuance. Also sometimes you can play the aggressive stance as a way of dealing with situations with people who are out of their depth, she just doesn't realise it won't work with the orbiters yet. But my point is I understand her position as an individual who didn't really have that maturity till well beyond what was expected of me. I am not excusing it, just empathizing with how retarded she is. Sometimes it's hard for us retards to get off the short bus and get on the long bus. But as Steven states, it really is interesting to watch the transition.
Darius is the hero Dgg deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a loud guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
@@TheDude322 No, no, he's the hero we desperately need right now and more than ever because apparently no one else talks to Mr Girl and Lav the way they deserve and understand it. Certainly it's not Destiny taking them really to account for the stupid shit they pull.
Aba was basically asking Destiny why he even has conversations with Lav. We suspected it was because he slept with her, and now it has been proven true.
Destiny Orbiter Civil War | PRELUDE ►th-cam.com/video/dLn43h5JzNA/w-d-xo.html
Part 1 comes after the prelude.
AUGUST. POST THE FUCKING A&M CHANGE MY MIND DEBATES ALREADY. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE POST THOSE BEFORE ANY MORE OF THIS CRINGE DRAMA
AUGUST this intro is fking FIRE GHAT DAYUM
Don't hate on Britney;(
Doubt this will be heard, but Destiny is not equipped to handle the type of psychological manipulation that Mr. Girl plays in. He needs to be very careful with that dude
Really enjoying the mental illness arc. The writers are on some goddamn coke
Peak entertainment
I’d argue it’s more like a bad Acid, or mushroom trip that they’re on, it’s to emotional to be coke.
I dont believe mr girl is a real person he has to be playin a character
None of the above. These are perc addicts pretending they don't have a problem
@@dantethearab796 maybe, but it still isn’t coke…. Lol.
Aba is a man’s name
Dan is a friend’s name
Stardust is a space name
Chaeiry is a fruit’s name
Lav is a cringe name
MrGirl is a trans name
Darius is a league champ name
Brittany is a level 5 name
Pxie is a fairy’s name
4Thot is a janitor's name
And finally Destiny is indeed a woman’s name
Based
Best comment hands down 🙌
Simply beautiful!
Easily best comment. Thank you
Mashallah
Max is that guy that lives in your apartment rent free and feels attacked when you ask him to wash dishes
And will argue you to death over whose turn really it is to clean up the bathroom.
😂😂😂😂
Max would feel attacked, and then tell you about how you shouldn't make him feel that way because of the power differential of you owning the house he is staying rent free in.
@@Eemazzand he would reject the premise of your argument when you straight up tell him the truth 😂
Imagine a world without Max or Lav. Destiny might even talk about politics again instead of looping the same fucking stupid drama forever.
Seriously, I can't stand this dumbass drama, who tf cares, I miss the politics.
My only defense is god i hope the fucking bridge burns
@@funicon3689 he talks about biden all the time, what are you talking about
Both these people are unbelievably boring.
@@funicon3689 Yeah if it weren't for the Drama loops he'd be trying to convince us that the DNC still hasn't failed us as an institution. I applaud Destiny for trying to bridge the gap between the left and the right, but telling all of us that we still gotta vote blue no matter who is not the solution.
MrGirl and Lav, it's not the subreddit's fault that you guys look bad, it's what you both say on the internet.
You two dont need any help to look bad, you guys need therapy and stay away from debates online.
But muh power differential!
100% agree, instead of asking destiny why he cant stop the hate from his community, They could ask themselves why they are hated by the community. They'll never do this, because both of them are unable to take responsibility for the things they say, its either "I'm misunderstood" or "I didn't think about it enough" Always, conviently placed ready to defend their ego.
I really wish destiny would just drop them both.
Let's not forget that Girl's entire internet following started with him making a Cuties review where he said he got sexually aroused by seeing little girls dance. He is pathologically allergic to saying things that are normal.
They lack so much accountability it's unbearable.
Mr. Girl's opinions of Destiny's community are extremely insulting during this conversation. Then he's upset that they don't like him, and claims it's Destiny's responsibility to make them be nice. Brittany nailed it with the entitlement point.
The big thing Aba is getting at is it seems that Lav wants it both ways. She wants to have her statements hold weight and to be taken seriously in a conversation, but then also acknowledges that many of her takes aren’t especially fleshed out.
The question Aba would pose is, what credibility can we give to any of your statements if she quickly acknowledges their flaws?
Still, that one I found a bit weird as it's so nuanced.
Ofc you don't want someone like Sneako who just sticks to his point no matter how stupid it is, but I can also she how Lav overdoes it in the other direction.
So easy to make superlative statements & then get stuck on them :x
I think her other topics later were much worse & easier to formulate the flaws for
Because teehee I'm just a dumb girl look how cute I am, why doesn't anyone take me seriously? I hate this term but the girl has internalized mysoginy-ed herself r*tarded.
MrGirl has a real talent for talking over a person and then claiming hes not being allowed to speak when they talk over him.
*Speaks for 3 minutes to convey something that can be easily condensed into 2 or 3 sentences*
"Wait ar-"
"SHUT THE FUCK UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP LET ME TALK, YOU AREN'T LETTING ME TALK, SHUT UP, SHUT UP LET ME TALK"
*Continues rambling*
Repeat until you have 3 hours of content.
He is so manipulative. I am really starting to hate him - and I have never really hated anyone in life. I really don't like seeing how Destiny is allowing him to bully him that much. Lav and MrGirl both wont a special treatment.
@@scapedebate3730 I mean if u listen to this convo Mr girl wants lav to have special treatment lav legit said I just want thing that are just hate for being hate being taken down which tbf even destiny bans people for racist and masoginistic comments so that's fair
@@scapedebate3730 they all are. Destiny is just as bad
Mrgirl and lav are so fucking annoying. Id rather the sneako debates tbh, than listening to mrgirl and lav say the same shit, with different words 150 times a stream
It's amazing how max can be in a room full of people saying he's wrong and then pull off some mental gymnastics to ignore any criticism.
His world view lets him write off any criticism as the other person not being honest with him. But anything he says is him saying how he feels and that’s valid
That quality isn't bad, we cheer destiny when he does that but yea the way spins the convos seems weird
@@TheGokuend I feel like Destiny's bar to call someone dishonest or bad-faith is much, much higher, though.
@@TheGokuend it seems weird because he will bring up a point, shoot down everyone elses remarks about it, engages in cherrypicked little points that make him feel better but orbit the actual point, in the end vehemently defends a point that proved him wrong and when someone points it out starts passing the bag of bullets he got to chew through to other people so he doesnt have to get his teeth dirty. he throws in nukes then blames other people for pressing the nuke button hes still holding the keys to. but if anybody points it out theyre traumatized gaslighting manipulative dishonest bipolar detached whatever psych terms
watch for it ive identified the lifecycle of the max convo
"You shouldn't have called her a bitch, but Lav shouldn't call people bitches either" but the problem is that she already did, she already swung, and he swung back. Imagine a house guest of yours getting attacked and you attack the attacker and Max comes out like "ummm hitting people in your home is an abuse of power, you shouldn't be doing that"
No, it’s more like Arrax hitting Vhagar in the face with a fireball and Vhagar responding with killing Arrax.
Vhagar being the bigger dragon needs to show much more restraint and caution when dealing with the weaker dragon because Vhagar if reckless or stupid or malicious can do far more damage than Arrax can.
This equally applies to Steven and Lav.
Steven can do far more much damage to her than she can do to him so he needs to be so much more careful.
Now sure, Lav and Arrax shouldn’t start any conflict in the first place and there should be consequences of sort but the more powerful individual/animal must remain tender and calm and act in a lesser manner to prevent much more harm and danger.
There is a massive power differential that you and Steven are completely ignoring
@@tripledigit4835 seems more about the simple fact that you give what you get. Just because someone is “weaker” doesn’t mean you should treat them any differently. Even tho Steven is a much bigger streamer, they’re both people. When you’re online, at times it doesn’t matter who you are, if you’re disrespectful at some point someone will match you’re energy.
Your example isn’t really that good tbh. If Lav called Destiny a bitch and he retaliated with the same insult then it’s equal footing. In your example it usually depends
@@tripledigit4835 You're basically asking of Destiny to put aside himself such that other (smaller streamers) can freely insult him without him being able to do EXACTLY the same. Why should he have fewer rights? Can you give any example where two adults are given equal rights and it's unfair?
@@ON-ry8iw you should absolutely treat weaker people differently. Treating them the same will mean they will face a greater harm than you will.
The fact you can’t see the power differential is flabbergasting
@@jonasc1221
-the right to make political donations, billionaires can donate way more than working class people making billionaires more influential on politics
-any other right that involves money
-any race neutral, gender neutral, neuro neutral policy when you reside in a nation with systemic racism, sexism and ableism
MrGirl: "Destiny is our boss, when he insults you it's like being insulted by the president"
Also MrGirl: "You guys are bootlickers!"
Jesus I know right lmao
Boss has a very specific definition and destiny does not fit it for any of them
Just like with Lav throwing the r and b word at everyone but is acting butthurt when the b word is directed at her. They make up one set of rules for them and another for everyone else after the fact.
I genuinely cannot fucking stand Mr girl... he acts like a child not getting his way.
Good job, Aba. you were here 30 minutes, and stirred up 3 hours of this. Now these are the ratios I'm talking about.
Aba and preach are gods lol
Waba
@@davidkay1948I just made it to the point where that dude essentially said "I've latched on to the resource that is Destiny, and due to that fact I am entitled to certain protections from that resource."
This so cringe (from a right winger) since he is making THE SAME argument that leftists make about "emotion labor"...
I actually can't believe anyone is entertaining this idea
ABA was 100 on this one
I think the problem with Lav isn't that she changes her mind, but it's that she has opinions on things that she hasn't thought through enough and aggressively pushes those opinions on other people. Then, when someone challenges her, she can concede points, but it feels weird as to why she would be acting so confidently in the first place about things that she couldn't sufficiently defend.
Which explains why people call her dumb.
And as Aba was trying to say, she does this constantly and always uses the same excuse of being young. It shows a complete lack of growth and there's no point in talking with her on anything. I don't understand what destiny sees in her for the life of me, other than her husband apparently lmao.
her arguments dont follow any logic, they are all emotion based, and thats not how debates work. so when she finds out she's wrong, she doesnt absorb the logic of why, she emotionally obfuscates the argument, and we all feel like she didnt actually learn anything, because she is purely emotional and illogical. thats why everyone feels gipped when she apologizes, because we know she doesnt actually understand or learn. destiny is a facts dont care about your feelings guy, he is a pugilist in a debate and he is debating emotional children. also, i didnt realize we destiny fans were zombified by destiny, and if he calls someone dumb, we all obey unquestionably. like any rational, logical arguing person wouldnt come to the conclusion that she is illogical. her and mr girl are too soft for this. if you cant handle the fight, get out of the ring.
Lav could barely even speak for herself. After her long tirade Mr. Girl arguments for her.
@@ivansmirnoff6987 Yeah this is the main problem. Do it once or twice and you can chalk it up to being young and naive. Do it in nearly every single conversation and now you're just an arrogant moron who doesn't know when to shut up. She doesn't know how to say "I don't know" or "I don't have an opinion" before giving her opinion on something she knows nothing about or hasn't even thought about. She is the embodiment of "fake it til you make it" with people who aren't trying to fake it and she gets called out on it. She might not be dumb, but she hasn't shown otherwise.
I think it’s more to she plays victim when people attack her journey through something she’s not well informed on.
It blows my mind how unaware Max is of how much he'll monologue and talk over everyone else. Then when they do get a chance to speak, he'll cut them off, put words in their mouth and then continue monologuing. On top of that, he'll accuse them of cutting him off if they try to finish a single point. I enjoy this mental illness arc and Mr. Girl content immensely. It's like a candy shop of narcissism.
I thought the same thing. I don't know why but it makes me incredibly irritable.
The blantant misogyny of MrG is next-level. When he was talking to the girls Starbuxx or whatever her name is & also Pixie, he kept telling them to shut the f up over & over while interrupting them. Idk what his problem is w/ women bc I haven't watched him, but anyone who listens to his convos can detect a deep-seated animosity. I'm guessing it's mommy issues 🤷🏼♀️
@@scarletsletter4466 even when he talks to or defends lav it sounds like he thinks she is less than
It's so over the top and insane that it's funny, also funny seeing destinys reaction to it
"And you are the Fcking hypocrite! You are the biggest hypocrite that I've seen in my life" By @Stardust to @MrGirl
The most true statement in 2 hours+ of me listening to this entitled person, that someone is not fair to them.
"Ohhh life is not fair to me, everyone has to do what I say"
@MrGirl please grow up, people don't have to play by your rules because you FEEL like you are entitled to be treated a certain way. Especially demand it from someone, and try to make them the one who is at fault for not doing something that only you think that you and everyone are obligated to this type of treatment.
What a waste of time listening to this person! Talking to the wall is more productive 😅🤣
This is it. Destiny finally achieved greatness. He finally managed to put together a debate panel where the number of participants is higher than a sum of their combined braincells....all of which belong to Aba.
This is peak content.
that phrase doesn't work unless you think aba is stupid
@@dpz4341 true, but it would still mean Aba is the smartest one of the bunch
@@dpz4341 indeed, what a pickle ...
@@averageandy7331 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The fact that the women left after being given actual advice is proof she's closed minded.
If I had a dollar for every time Max says 'that's not what I'm saying' I'd have enough money to be his new stream boss.
Yeah. At this point Max needs to realize he is responsible for the way his words are interpreted. Dont like the interpretation? Then become a better communicator. Though I genuinely think its on purpose. If people "dont understand" him, then he is able to exert absolute control over the conversation. If he doesnt like where its heading, he can simply take the reigns by saying "thats not what I said", and steer it in another direction under the guise of nuance
"I am literally explaining your argument for you, and you're interrupting me" - MrGirl 2022. What a beautiful piece of performance art he is.
I wudnt bother with people who argue their own poin it's like watching hari kiri lol but I aviold people like that coz they love going in circles so they can b heard
How can Mr Girl say that he has the right to be intentionally confusing and then still get mad when people "misunderstand" him? This guy takes having your cake and eating it too to a whole new level.
Oh, I'm reminded of when I used to watch youtube videos about reddit posts on r/ChoosingBeggars
Can't believe I didn't connect Mr Girl to that until I read your comment
Unchecked Narcissist Alert!
@@WanderTheNomad What kind of subreddit is this?
He’s so annoying
Sounds like an excuse someone would use for them not making much sense 🤣 what a special human
Full credit to MrGirl for taking a stream about general drama and insisting it be all about him and his own desires, needs, and comforts. Classic.
Literally. He made it into a yapping session
the way that people would point out how they were ok with destiny doing something, only for mr girl to interject on their behalf “actually didn’t you mean to say destiny was wrong??”
Looking back this was really the opening salvo of his "investigation" in letting Lav fire off the first shot and then acting like an innocent bystander. When he re-told this story later it was always pitched as he happened to be in a random convo and had to be the voice of empathy.@@realallblue2200
It's feels like getting teeth pulled anytime Max joins a call with his emotionally hurt voice. It's just hard to listen him be so rude to people and then talk at length about how Destiny is hurting his feelings by not treating him special.
This. The voice comes off as so smug.
Literally true
@@Stop_Gooning Why say shit like that? There's a billion ways to criticize him without using a slur. Stuff like this gives his arguments actual weight.
@@TheBlackSpastic cry cause it’s true
@@chigwom7894 lol a real genius. 14?
glad to see Aba join in regularly now, big ups
@@waynewayne8419 I think a common sense view from a reasonable grown up normal dude is valuable to have, particularly with so many whacky people being kind of silly these days
@@waynewayne8419 Aba is a really sharp guy.
@@waynewayne8419 the fact that you think he's a pseudo genius is hilarious.
@@waynewayne8419 How can you say Aba offers nothing when he clearly called out Mrgirl's lack of charisma during the fuentes ark. He called out sneako multiple times with really good insight of why he got banned and what he should have done. Even now he called out Lav for her grandstanding on topics that she will 180 on at the slightest pushback. Aba offers reasonable common sense insight that the people in this space seem to not understand.
@@waynewayne8419 you think Aba is a pseudo genius LMAO nah. From my perception he literally just seems like a regular down to earth dude with a good amount of common sense. Like many people. Dude is based lol
It really is astounding how Mr. Girl can take your argument, reshape it into something slightly different, and then present it back to you as something completely stupid or unhinged and make it sound believable. As a viewer, you can see what he's doing from a mile away, but I'm sure when you're having a personal argument with him it seems totally sound. I'm really sorry for anyone who's ever been in a relationship with him.
Wow the guy who said he beat the shit out of his girlfriend for attention when he meant Bdsm in the bedroom is a manipulator who coulda guessed
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 the fact that he can do shit like that and then feign indignancy because "people just don't understand" is the biggest manipulation. Being called a dumb bitch by Destiny isn't nearly as bad as a one minute conversation with this guy
I'm genuinely worried for his current gf. Abusers, when they feel depressed and/or wronged as Max does now, boiling with anger, usually take it all out on their significant other.
Sheilan was still defending him last week with the Chaery/Stardust thing, but she's under his spell, probably so used to their dynamic by now not to realize just how much this is dangerous for her, both mentally and physically (Max has hit his ex-wife when angry...with his dad. He made a video about it, of course...)
He is the most manipulative person I have ever met.
yes, Jesus. He's utterly insufferable.
Destiny has an incredible talent for finding the biggest head cases and setting them up to fight eachother for our amusement.
All while he plays games in the background. DOUBLE CONTENT
And on top of all of that, he could legitimately make their whole arguments for both sides, and debate better for both sides then they could ever dream of even being a fraction as good at laying out the argument as he is, all while doing it without resorting to using emotions.
*circus music plays*
@@kobrien2420 the double dip is real 😭
Thank Dan too for always playing the Content angle
The fact that someone cant listen to Aba and understand him is fucking insane. One of the most well spoken, and one of the best interpersonal communicators I've ever seen, and someone can't fucking listen for 20 seconds and even try to understand. Idk the temp in the room felt cool but I wasn't there. Seems wack man, Aba was straightforward
Mr Girl and Aba are on completely different sides on the spectrum of communication skills
@@WanderTheNomad Mr. Pedo*
Fixed that for you…
Aba truly is the sanest person in the dgg universe
It's hard to understand Aba because he bores you to death as soon as he starts talking
@Dank Waifu a big reason so many people love watching Destiny is because of his colorful cast of crazy characters and drama. Aba is literally boring
Sometimes on weekends when I don't want to spend money I buy a bottle of tequila, randomly choose one bingo buzzword, rewatch the end of this arc, and take a shot every time it's said.
"Power differentials" was the word
I am now dead
I died last week using the MrGirl bridge burn video, whisky, and the word dogpile.
Mr Girl: people need to set boundaries
Also Mr Girl: you have to accept any and all criticisms no matter what or how it's expressed
I think my take-away from the MrGirl conversations over the last two months or so, are that MrGirl thinks _you_ abiding by _his boundaries_ is the only acceptable way to behave. I hate to bring Her up, but I'm surprised Destiny doesn't push back more on a tactic he really should recognize -- someone who regularly weaponizes the concept of boundaries as a means to compel you to do something, or to make you accept a violation of your own boundaries. You know, like, _"Me getting to criticize you is my boundary, and you have to abide by it. If you want to criticize me, though, you can't, because it crosses my boundary."
I have the solution. Never talk to Mr girl again. Boom no more insufferable streams
Yes
Mr.Pedo- “I’m a leech (oops i mean orbiter), and since I’m a leech, and I’m doing so from your community, and you allow it, I want you to also, be very aware and careful of how you say things, so that my entire platform doesn’t go up in smoke since the only “fans” I have are actually just your fans that I’ve leeched”
The pedo is absolutely unhinged… he is legit asking destiny to be aware of the fact that he is more powerful then he is, and then wants him to change how he says things based on that, on HIS OWN platform…. He tries to pull the same BS on his subreddit….
Like Pedo, just because destiny is a girls name, and your username has girl in it, doesn’t mean you get to act like you get to decide or control how destiny speaks on HIS OWN platform, or how he moderates his OWN subreddit…
If you don’t like that, go make your own platform and subreddit off of your own merits, do so without the need to be a leech, or orbiter… since you like to word things in the nicest way possible for yourself….
The Pedo has the biggest god complex, he truly is trying to sit there and “ask” (he’s telling Steven) how to be on his own channel and subreddit….
Destiny is a much more caring and passionate girl, then I ever could dream of being as a man…. If that was me, the Pedo would have been got the boot, you’re not going to take my kindness allowing you to leech a career off of me and my community, and then while talking to me on my OWN platform act like you have any right to demand how I am/say on MY PLATFORM and MY SUBREDDIT…..
Mr girl: let me finish my point
Also Mr girl: *interrupts everyone else*
Lav's opinion on the [redacted] situation boggles my mind. The fact she's saying Destiny's responsible for more harm than he's willing to own up to while in the same breath, absolving [redacted] of any proper authority over their months of actions by shoving them all under the umbrella of "triggered behavior" is actually insane. What she seems to understand about the situation doesn't feel like much.
Near the end she said she "didn't think it was that deep" which really goes to show the issue. She doesn't think, she just says anything on impulse.
Of course. This is the same same broad that literally shit all over amouranth until she saw a fucking vice video of all things and thought she was a "girl boss" after. She's so fucking painfully surface level with her takes it hurts. I've met smarter chicks going for useless degrees in college.
It's because everyone except for Steven is allowed to have boundaries and emotions
Destiny is a stoic and abrasive man (you wouldn't guess it from the name) and [redacted] is a woman who likes to get upset and cry. Of course Destiny is responsible for both his and her feelings and actions and [redacted] is responsible for nothing.
I don't think anyone can look at the [redacted] situation and side with [redacted]. Maybe destiny shouldn't have been so quick to pump and dump fans but the way she acted afterwards is completely insane. He's done literally everything he can to try and make her stop and she always re-loops anyway, she unironically scares me. She seems like she might in-minecraft destiny or herself one day
Darius coming out of nowhere to scream at everyone never fails to make me laugh my ass off
I'm tryna figure out who this Darius character is because goddamn he cracks me up
Such a blessing
Timestamp?
@@Bonkiss some dude that bent Destiny's wife over
@@Bonkiss There's a lot of people Destiny interacts with that I don't know much about, but I legit didn't know anything about Darius until he showed up in this video. Not his name, face, actions, etc.
Lav and mrgirl just make every conversation so unbelievably complicated when they are the most simple and straight forward concepts. This HAS been peak content, but holy shit these 2 know how to draw out a conversation
elaborate so much that it makes it too complex to reasonably understand and then get annoyed when people don't understand
I think the major factor contributing to their problems in how they are perceived is how poor their communication style is. Besides drawing out everything endlessly, the first thing they need to learn is how to behave in a conversation: Interrupting others less, listening to them and believing that what they said is actually what they mean would, at least for Lav, reduce the backlash by 50%. Despite the negative feedback, they never learn how unintentionally disrespectful they are.
There aren't many things worse in a conversation than being interrupted in the middle of every sentence and after finally making a point, the conversation partner feels the need to reinterpret everything you said in extreme and uncharitable ways or plays word games.
Hate how defensive they can be. Lav is so on the edge that she can barely get past the first sentence before cutting the person off and commenting about either how it's wrong or it's her strength.
I'm fine with listening to conversations they have about different concepts because it can be somewhat interesting, but this drama is just absolutely brainrotting.
just agree with them and everything becomes simple and straight forward again!
Idk who Lav is, but if her worst error is changing her mind & being non-committal about her options, I hope everyone knows that those behaviors are common in women due to patriarchal pressures & norms. I get annoyed when other women behave that way, but I now realize there's tremendous social pressure on us to be agreeable. Plus, millions of years of evolution being smaller/ weaker taught us to be more socially sensitive & respond cooperatively when males express aggression. Modern messaging about girl bossing really doesn't change all the underlying pressures & instincts that govern human behavior
Mr Girl and Lav are the pinnacle of non existent self awareness
Mr girl saying that the sub reddit makes him look bad, maybe you make yourself look bad.
True
There are definitely counterarguments to the things they say. The fact that you have to set the bar so low for you to process what is happening says that you're probably stupid.
@@he.5865 why counter argue immovable rocks?
@@HDWABBIT if the mountain won't counter-argue Mohammed, Mohammed counter-argues the mountain. I think this somehow implies a girl-prophet... Meh.
@@HDWABBIT You're doing the same thing. You cant engage, so you simplify until you can at least understand something - however distorted that simplification is.
Mr Girl losing his mind over finally being confronted with all the ways he is an abusive manipulator in a conversation where he is trying to tell Destiny how abusive he is is definitely my favorite episode of this arc. BRB going to have Mr Girl begging Stardust to not out him as an abusive piece of shit set as my ringtone.
He is socially begging to be accepted. The cringe is palpable.
_Aba & Destiny is the best new duo around._
We have to go with Daba or Abstiny.
I don't think preach will give up his man so easily
I like both of these guys, as both of them seem to be level headed and fairly "sane" people. But just 2 of them together in a stream would be boring cause they would probably agree on most things. Aba as the voice of reason only filling in before or after the chaos is very nice I feel.
Honestly, I really hope Destiny goes on one of their videos and their video goes crazy. It would be the most entertaining video of all time.
Dabstiny .. DAB!
Aba isn't the hero Gotham deserves, he's the hero Gotham needs.
Ah yes, the return of the "Destiny, you're responsible for your platform, and because I suffered an interaction I didn't like at the hands of someone in your community, that means you haven't done your due diligence and I'm demanding you be better" arc. Welcome to 3 hours of two of the most irresponsible content creators explain to someone who's been doing what they've done for longer that it's unfair that Destiny doesn't shield them from the consequences of their actions.
"You need to acknowledge how much power you have over other people."
"I do."
"But I'm still banned so you've not. >:("
Bro sounds like he'd be sending strongly worded emails to customer support asking for his account to be unbanned after dropping slurs because he thinks the company is abusing disproportionate power.
Right I only recently started watching destiny and fairly lost lol. But it does seem like they are asking for concessions and deferential treatment for themselves. After pointing out he doesn't take responsibility for others post on his stuff unless truly off
Not only has he been doing it for longer, he paved the road that they are driving on before twitch even existed.
Lav really just says shit and hopes for the best and then tries to blame anyone else other than herself when things go wrong
@@dubbykash Mr.Pedo* fixed that for you….
she selling sex pics and against sex work.??? MIND BLOWN
Bro she was emotional about her anxious attachment style leading her tendency to self abandon towards a trauma reaction while new to this space.
@@dubbykash More like a flash grenade he made for her. Loud, flashy and distracting but can't really do much on its own.
@@aSSGoblin1488 it’s like hassan being a communist, who talks down about capitalism, and every single business owner while also, being a business owner with multiple merch lines, and profiting Immensely, off of the very system he vows is killing millions of people….
Rule for the, not for me
This was an absolute shit show, there's so much to unpack here but the one thing that I want to point out is the fact Mr. Girl and Lav tried to weaponize the [redacted] situation without even knowing what happened. They are both actually gaslighting and abusive just freaking gross.
actually super annoying, these are people not worth speaking honestly.
I thought you’re gonna make an destiny girls name joke lol
@@atriiio4244 but what if the redacted situation is exactly that situation...
I still dont get why Steven wants to hang out with them, they are lost cases.
@@atriiio4244 bro I thought about it lmao
Holy shit, i became a fan post the Mr Girl/Lav drama and didn’t know this was the extent of their insanity. Mr Girl Trynna gaslight Destiny for protection in his self imposed parasitic relationship is actually fucking wild.
Aba is so right she never admits she's wrong directly. Say deflecting that your undstoid wrong or make a strong statement but still thinking.
It really do be sad how the most sane person in the Destiny orbiting community ends up starting a civil war just by saying something based. Usually, he'd be the one to put an end to the conflicts, but sense everyone else is too mentally ill to take some damn criticism they just get triggered and then more fuel gets added to the fire.
If you say that you're wrong and change your mind it's cool. But if you do that all the time, what's the point of me talking to you, since I would just start to assume that you just don't know what you're talking about 90% of the time, and turns from a debate into a lesson, and that's not the point here.
Difference between her and Sneeko is that you can actually "Win" against him, and it doesn't matter if you change HIS mind (cause you won't) but people in his community will see him be wrong and maybe change their mind about him.
Aba is not right, lav seems flippant to a fault. Sneako is dogmatic to a fault. Honestly the ability to change your mind is a better skill
@@mattattack75 it's a good skill as a person, but it's not when they have a debate. Debaters don't give a shit if YOU change your mind, more about if your community changes their mind. And she kinda cheats by going "oh I never really intended to stand by that statement"
@@mattattack75 no she's not flippant she's snakey like Dan said. She's starts a argument with so much conviction but when you press her on a point she dances around what she really meant. Everything has different definitions in "her world view". By the end you never truly know where she stands
god aba has to be my fav honestly he makes really good points and is actually pretty respectful when he talks to others in a debate and isn’t poisoned by the internet, he’s like the everyman of the DGG universe
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Throughout the discussion, ESPECIALLY when the boss analogy started falling apart Max will do these emotional outbursts that completely pivot the topic away from the ground he is clearly losing on. I think the reason it's so effective is because we see Max do this same tactic in situations where he's being attacked by a bad faith person like the Jump dude. But whenever there is a reasonable push back in this conversation he uses he "I am pissed off because you're pissing me off" thing to pivot hard
Its a cringe way to guilt trip everyone into caving into his demands. "Everyone STOP. Pay attention to me! My feelings are being hurt rn so screw whatever you want, what I want is most important."
been loving watching destinys content but lav makes my brain work less, shes arguing that its a strength to have strong opinions in serious conversations about things you then end up admitting you haven't really thought through, thats not a strength lol
Max is such an unbelievably slimy person in every conversation I have no idea how you have the patience to talk with him for so long
Man, that would've made a good _Degrassi_ episode. Character is a streamer, he tells his friends about people he talks to on stream, the audience sees VODs like this, and the end-of-Part-1 "reveal" is that he's not really streaming. He can have an intervention in Part 2.
because destiny has no integrity and if he can make a buck he's there. He's gotta pay for his wife's boyfriends herpes medication somehow yaknow?
Yeah I actively hate him at this point.
he's greasier than a deep fried burrito
It is proof there is not a powerful Jewish cabal, cause if they were they would have shut him down ages ago just to avoid being labeled slimy by association.
I think the funniest part of this conversation was Max arguing that he doesn’t DARVO anybody as he is actively doing it. Also Darius coming and wilding out on Max and Lav was the embodiment of chat showing up to the conversation.
Mr. Girl: STARDUST YOU TRIED TO RUIN MY LIFE. I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU AGAIN!
Mr. Girl 10 seconds later: Steven why would you say that you would cut ties with her if she pressed this issue? That's the most extreme cancel culture I've ever seen!
This guy is a joke of a human being.
This is one of those vids where I like to imagine that steven is having an argument with the voices in his head and he's sitting in a room screaming at nobody.
You made the content actually enjoyable, now I don't have to wait for Dan to interview and give me a breather, thank you.
this debate does have schizophrenic break energy tbh
The worst thing Destiny ever did was platform Lav and Mr. Girl.
The fact that Max said his trust was split betwen destiny or Lav shows he truly is insane
Insane is an understatement, he is not human
i imagine he would have said destiny if not for the subreddit ban thing
He said that because he was intending to use her as a frontline soldier in his war with destiny.
Ok I understand but max always struck me as somewhat stoic so this is surprising behavior
I love how every time Steve tries to peel back the layers of contradiction from Lavs statements MrGirl runs interference and convinces Lav is fine to continue gaslighting herself along with everyone around her. The gaslight duo.
I think it’s because he sees his own tactics in her behaviour. If she starts realizing that Stevie is legitimately trying to help her, then Mr. Girl loses his chess piece of “It’s not only me you do this to!!”
It is even crazier when you realize that everyone else's complaints about Lav were Mr girls exact complaints about Lav only a few fucking weeks ago 😭it is actually insane
Lav bringing up ~redacted~ made my jaw drop. she absolutely did it on purpose to be shitty towards him
So essentially, according to Mr. Girl, a conversation is only a real conversation when you let him talk more than you and agree with him in the end.
Ideally, in his world, you don't talk at all. He's an empath and knows what you really think and feel and therefore he can do the talking for you, too.
Always has been
I subscribed to Destiny because of the political debates about two months ago. Did not expect to get consumed by the reality streamavision of this channel.
It's not a boss/employee relationship. It is a mall. Steven is the main attraction. Everyone else is a smaller shop. If they go out of business, it is not on Steven. Max has no right to ask for changes on how he manages his business.
Side note: favorite character is Darius. His outbursts are golden
Same
Succinctly put. This mall is a riot.
I've never watched Destiny and only know MrGirl like most know him (creepy movie review), but listening to all this is mind numbing. Darius saying "Steven just plays his game and let's people talk" is exactly what this seemed like. It's live reality TV.
would you say Destiny is the Auntie Annie's Pretzels of this 'mall'?
@@joevile240 two years from now I'll look at myself in disgust for being invested in this nonsense. Much like I do for having enjoyed Jersey Shore
Aba is not only one of the sanest Destiny talks to on the regular, he is also in the TH-cam chat gang - He is one of us! If this is Civil War then Aba is TH-cam-man, defender of bad chat interface and voices screaming into a void. You are our saviour Aba! Our Captain America of Canadian origin. Who is watching the watchers? Aba - since he is the only one watching TH-cam chat!
I thought he was Ethiopian?
@@TheTGOAC born in Ethiopia, Canadian citizen (I think)
I love how Lav comes in with these really hot takes, then gets called out and makes it all about the fact that she is able to change and not address the issue that she shouldn't come so hard on points she is gonna drop within the next 24-hours.
Teehee
Listen I'm just good at changing my mind when I'm proven wrong there's no reason to hate me for this fact like you know...hee hee! I'm so random heehehehhe (:
I'm not familiar with this conflict beyond the video... But I hear Lav owning up, and being reasonable and every time the conversation gets to the point where Destiny and her can connect, MrGirl(?) interrupts and says something like "uh... Lav, so just like... Destiny is exercising and flexing his power over you and you shouldn't answer him and also Destiny do you not realize what you are doing when you says.,/kfaoewinfaiuwef hbiuawehbfnjhabwefuhjgvabwejhrfawe"
this dude sounds like he shouldn't be on the internet.
He doesn't sound sane.
@@MAS7s 2 things. Lav isn't actually opening up, she is acting like she is to deflect from the real criticism. She owns her bad takes, which is good, but she doesn't own the fact that she comes in really HARD but then changes the next day. Also, [point 2] Mr Girl is such a fucking weirdo, you hit the nail on the head. 100%.
Why should Steven be more concerned about Lav's and Mr. Girl's reputations more than THEY are? It's not like Lav was caring about her reputation when she came in screaming and calling people bitches but the minute she gets checked, she runs screaming. What she and Max want is special treatment.
If they cannot handle the heat why are they even in the kitchen? Oh I forgot Destiny invited them. Smdh.
@@beewest5704 I think he thinks they’ll be decent company once they’re rehabilitated of T H E M E S S A G E
Mr Girl is the most frustrating person I ever have to listen to. Nobody is saying he isn't allowed to have feelings about the stream, and nobody is invalidating them. They are saying it's ok to have those feelings, but it is not ok to have expectations on Destiny to ACT on those feelings.
Tbh all of them talk in this strange way of intentionally Mis characterizing and mis understanding and play this weird mental gymnastics. Maybe I’m just too dumb but it doesn’t seem like anyone is actually trying to understand the other persons point.
I've never once heard Mr.Girl actually listen to someone else. He's an extreme narcissist to the point where he hyped himself up as an "empath" to the point where he thinks he can read other people's minds, and therefore can't possibly be wrong about anything ever. @@tonybankse
@@tonybankseThis!
All of this arc is completely absurd, I love it.
TRUE
I cannot deny that I am entertained by it
The price of enjoying this entertainment is several dozen of my brain cells, and a decent percentage of my faith in humanity.
this arc is wild when I haven't seen anything and just found it in this vid, I have no idea what's going on, who half these people are or what's happened
Max joins a group call, wants to have a 1-on-1 conversation with one person in that call, talks about the other people on that call in a condscending manner, then gets mad that those people interject because they don't like the way he talked about them. If you want to have that conversation with Steven, do that in a private 1-on-1 chat. But when you choose to join a group call, every other person on that call has every right to interrupt when you talk about them in a way that they don't like. The dude complains about other people rejecting his feelings, but then does exactly that to a whole group of people by saying that they're bootlickers for speaking up for themselves when he mischaracterises them.
My god, this man is INSUFFERABLE.
I actually just realized: Mr. Girl is the same as my mentally and physically abusive ex. The one that would hit me and then spin the whole narrative to say that “it wasn’t actually a hit but a love tap and because I flinched in the moment, I’m remembering it as much worse than it was.” Like I could see him giving a person a black eye and then trying to explain why the person is wrong for thinking the reason they have the black eye is him. Absolutely disgusting.
Max has hit his ex wife, when he was angry about his father. And of course, he made a (disgusting) video about it, more than probably without her consent...
I'm very worried about Max's current gf.
His personal lore is very concerning.
Aba is a national treasure.
I've loved their channel for a long time. Helped me get through covid.
@@cz75fanatic the truest comment ive ever heard
true
International treasure.
Common Aba W
I can't wait for Jordan Peterson to become a Destiny orbiter
LOOOOL
@@dudestolemyname69 its not real?
What gets me about Mr.Girl is that WHILE HE'S SPEAKING Destiny's chat is forming opinions and calling him dumb. They're a group of individuals with ideas and thoughts of their own. I don't understand how Mr.Girl doesn't understand that chat isn't some sort of grey goo. I wish he would *actually* think critically instead of just wandering around things and holding people to a standard that he isn't following.
Edit: Holy shit I love Dan. Dan understands so much about these people and they all just disregard him because he doesn't give a shit about these weird mental-gymnastics.
The most Infuriating thing about Lav is that she will take accountability then walk it back, then take accountability then walk it back, then take accountability then walk it back. She'll blame herself then blame others. The perception people have of her souly is because of herself. It has nothing to do with her being a woman.
It's always about her, but it will never be her fault.
@@ProphetMagus typical leftist ideology. No accountability
She wants affirmation and none of the criticism. Refuses to grow, fuck this girl
*solely
I love the fact that ABA comes in makes a poignant point gets shouted down before he can finish and then is just like fuck this shit I am out of here I don't need to be in the middle of a fucking panel.
He's a smart man.
Lol It was a very mature decision. Reminded me of an adult letting a child think they won when in reality the adult see’s arguing with an idiot is pointless. She reacted emotionally leading with ego. I am glad aba drops by these debates because it does feel like destiny is too charitable to a lot of insane people. In real life most people just wouldn’t engage with alot of this behavior
Yeah then gets the popcorn and reclines his chair for the rest of the stream
wish he stayed though
Legit the smartest thing done the whole panel.
I have a theory- if MrGirl isn’t constantly interrupting someone while simultaneously bitching about being interrupted- he ceases to exist altogether.
The level of dependency that MrGirl has on Destiny is kinda frightening. The fact he thinks he has basically no worth as a person unless he's orbiting Destiny is frankly really sad.
Yeah disturbing…
His career doesn’t really, with no TH-cam or twitch it’s most likely gonna fade out
@@Stop_Gooning Honestly you're not wrong, unfortunately. The way he describes his relationship with Destiny is like a leech, and I feel like Destiny needs to remove MrGirl from his circle for both his and MrGirl's sake.
@@HappyMan0203 it's more like a possessive little girl who tried to make you her kitten, then hugs you, "I love you, I love you." but squeezes and squeezes until that kittens eyes pop out and it dies.
honestly pretty sad i think max and his channel were bound to die just based on how max is destiny gave him a crumb of clout and it feels like max just gave all his power to destiny and wants destiny to take responsibility for the power he unjustly thrust onto him
Its fascinating how Lav and Mr.girl can constantly lose the respect of whole communities just by their own actions in how they interact with others. Its actually insufferable seeing them constantly interrupt others while they are literally explaining their positions then get ass mad when someone interrupts them to clarify a misunderstanding in interpretation.
This is even more ironic because of how Mr girl says Destiny is the reason for the way they are getting treated.
Him and Lav have done it themselves with the shit talking and bad arguments.
Wait, wait... Aba has a problem with Lav and then ducks out before they get to the bottom of that, but MrGirl steps in to white knight for her, and Destiny never had a moment to breathe. And now MrGirl and Lav think Destiny is abusive and unhinged.
I know this wasn't the deciding video for the bridge-burning, but this is literally how all their discussions went back then.
Person A has issue with Lav/MrGirl. One of those two step in to defend each other. Convo ends with MrGirl and Lav mad at Destiny by assigning person A's problems onto him. 😅 ridiculous.
Aba is the only reason I clicked on this
Yo this Aba arc has been god tier 🔥 🔥 🔥
Mr Girl really want that LavP
Facts
God I feel bad for Aba. As much as I hope Aba and Destiny stay friends he should not be around some of these people.
tf are you talking abt lmaoo
@@emotionalrangeofofateaspoo4092 lmaooooooo XDDDDD
@@harryb12993 Way to not answer the question
@@MAS7s of course I’m not gonna answer such a dumb ass question? Watch the video and its clear anyway
Yep, that’s for sure
Aba is WAY above this and Destiny is SUS for platforming some of these people despite knowing it’ll increase their sub account and income so they can control and mind fuck all of THOSE people.
Max can't stop telling people what their positions are, and Lav can't stay with a position for more than 48 hours. Neat.
Is Max aware during this conversation he does exactly what he doesn't want Steven to do? Literally bullies everyone else out of the conversation while using them to support his argument
I don’t think he is aware. A total unaware narcissist.
Doubt it, it's just classic projection. Just like when a cheating spouse accuses their partner of cheating.
2:44:44 the way Lav used Steven’s absence to kinda backhand him by acting like she’s being abused by Steven’s “boss power” so much that she can’t even speak her mind in his presence or else she’s gonna fall in his abusive trap, she couldn’t sneak it through tho, nice catch
Mr.Girl basically calling himself "leach" and somehow trying to make it a Destiny's problem, was the most bizarre moment of this whole circus. Who the fuck call a guy with a women name their Employee, without a contract or consent, then try to make them take responsibility.
it isnt really a leech considering the relationship benefit both ways. Mr girl got new audiences while Destiny got alot of contents out of it.
Leach pretty accurate , though I'd go with tapeworm, as I can't actually see any medicinal benefit having Mr girl attached to you
@@QuanQC Oh my soul, YOU and people like YOUUUU are the reason why Mr girl feels validated to say this BS. His delusion was so bizarre and how he feels entitled to lay terms and conditions on Stevens platform. He wants to be babied/protected along with Lav and now it's established that Mr girl is leeching off Destiny teet. What else can be said
The projection to call Destiny abusive absolutely anytime he attempts to defend himself is unimaginable. I don't wish this on anyone... But August of course. He's eating good 👍
Watching Lav and Mr Girl literally simp back and forth for each other and run defense for each other is the most manipulative thing I’ve ever seen on a destiny stream. They both have on again off again relationships with the definitions of words when it best suites them. They both will both lie and then when you call them on it try to reframe the conversation.
A great example of this is when Mr. Girl said destiny “said I raped someone” when it was clear destiny was making a hypothetical example to demonstrate the way mr girl uses language. AND THEN HE GOT AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE NO ONE CALLED HIM ON IT
The fact that he even framed what he said by using Destiny's phrase verbatim "like" which tells you it's a hypothetical and then he says "deStiNy iS sAyiNg IvE sAiD tHinGs IvE nEvEr sAiD!" And everyone let's him off with it except Steven one time.
Stardust: *Brings something up that Mr. Girl doesn't want to talk about*
Max: I don't want to talk to you about this
Destiny:
Lav: *Bring something up that Destiny Doesn't want to talk about*
Destiny: I don't want to talk to you about this
Mr. Girl: That's so abusive *50 minute diatribe*
That Destiny doesn't want to talk about*
You talking about Anna thing or whatever, right?
@@erodey3133 My bad, I fixed the issue. But yeah, they way Lav brought that up was disgusting
it's because you're not considering the power differentiation ;-)
Dude, Stardust was actually being so cringe when Max cut her off there, though. She genuinely can't emotionally handle talking about the power play thing with Max, but refuses to admit it so instead allowed herself to become so triggered that she made false flashing allegations against him.
Now she comes onto this stream to hijack a completely unrelated discussion by berating Max in an emotional tone about how awful he is for pointing out that she's too emotional to have this conversation with him.
The cringiest part was, Stardust wasn't even talking to Max really, she's just trying in vain to convince chat and herself that she was completely justified in her actions during their past drama.
Everyone is on the fuck Mr. Girl train, but honestly fuck Stardust.
@@---uk6uf you are never going to let the FALSE allegation thing go huh.
Mr girl did treat her like shit and the example she brought up was an example of him doing the dehumanizing thing. She could have been less cringe about it.
People hate mr girl cause he is horrible person and justified his horrible behavior as being emphatic, whereas star dust is an overall good person that did something terrible.
intro was nicely edited, love JP tuning in
Song in the beginning?
@@NoName-qd5vp in the description
I can't believe I just listened to one guy repeating the same 5 sentences in a 1000 different ways for 3 hours
It's so great seeing Lav and Mr Girl getting the pushback they deserve.
1000 fucking percent
You lav to see it
looking back on this now, they both come off as autistic
Dan is a content machine. We need a Dan laughing evil villain emote.
@@molsy1768 no but he is a meme machine
@@molsy1768 Dan is destiny's best friend and long time orbiter lol he doesn't work in the creator space, he makes content by causing creators to fight each other while he laughs in the back.
Jesus, Max is actually psychotic. He was doing some fucking olympic level mental gymnastics throughout this entire conversation.
“He is standing - that’s how tall he is.”
That took me out lmaooo
That was so fucking good
It’s pretty ironic how MrGirl recently criticized Destiny’s engagement with criticism on his subreddit, yet Destiny continues to speak with MrGirl despite being criticized by him constantly.
No man, its power dynamics bro.
It’s unbelievable how well you’re able to contain yourself when MrGirl is rambling on about absurd shit
its because he doesn't care about any of this and is basically dr phil
Anyone knows who was the 13th person in the conversation? I could count only 12 but title says 13.
That's what the game is for. XD
I find the way Mr. Girl and Lav answered the "who do you trust the most" question ridiculous. It's obvious Lav has a hard on for Max, but I'm more surprised by Max's answer. I feel like he said it's between Lav or Steven only because Lav defended him during the Stardust/Chairey shit, and that's it. There's no way he can have equal trust for both of them after all this time. I just don't believe it. I think Max is pandering to Lav's loyalty because manipulative people LOVE loyalty. Just my thoughts tho.
Kinda scary how responsible Max makes Destiny for his well being
He's manipulative, narcissistic, and possessive.
Right? Like it’s pretty abusive / manipulative for Max to blame Destiny for not getting any sleep for 2 weeks. Dude you can just log off, It’s a subreddit, not even your own. Take some accountability for your own self. since when did his life revolve around destiny? He’s desperate yet feels entitled. It’s messed up.
It's truly unhinged, almost concerning.
Max accused his own mother of "abuse"...
I truly wonder what she really ever did, if anything at all, to warrant that... 🤦🏼♀️
I think they fucked once and he feels entitled to have any opinion about destiny without pushback
Lav really and truly does not think of anything until after words leave her mouth, its a content generator operating on all cylinders.
Further edit, MrGirl has an incredibly entertaining flow of mental gymnastics. Actual Olympic levels, going for gold!
Coming back again, the stance of MrGirl is insane. Literally thinks it’s destiny’s responsibility to put protections in place for people who come on his stream? Yeah let’s just control the internet, good luck with that. Homeboy is delusional beyond belief, plus talked 70% of the time and effectively said nothing of substance
@@TheSurgePhoenix He really just should have disappeared from the internet after his creepy movie review.
In our current times of incredible political turbulence, I come back to simpler times to reminisce on what was, and what couldve been. RIP Lav and Mr. Girl drama, you were fucking GOATed
Aba and Max in the room is like a bad Thanksgiving dinner between "family" that aren't really related, and have beef to thaw
Lol that’s a great simile
Imagine having schizo pseudo-friends at your workplace, and 80% of what you do in a typical work day is babysit their emotions. Imagine being a Manager of Emotions as your job title.
I'd be dead the 1st day bury me already!
This!!!!!
Max: all this started because pixie asked me what I thought.
What actually happened is pixie came on to tell Stephen what SHE thought was bad and unhealthy with max. Max then said very aggressively, ask me that don't just talk in front of me.
He put emotional and social pressure on pixie to do something she didn't come on to do. That's fine to do that pixie could have ignored him if she wanted and kept speaking to Stephen rudely in front of him. It would have been socially difficult for her to do because of how rude it is. But possible. Max didn't literally force her but he came close. However its fine because its not literal forcing.
But later he reframes what happened as pixie came on specifically to speak to max. Which is why its so important to hear what max thinks. But that wasn't it. Pixie should have been allowed to giv eher thoughts but max derailed and made it about him and then rewrote history so what he wants (him talking) was always what pixie wanted.
This is such a good example of the light gaslighting max employs.
He could understand why pixie would want to interrupt him if they all acknowledge she came to give her thoughts not listen to max
I hope the editor/s see this cause these previews and openings have been fantastic.
Imagine your (loosely connected online) friend suddenly claiming that you are their boss, then they spend an inordinate amount of time telling you, the 'boss' how you need to behave. Insulting people like Lav (despite any circumstances) will violate the unwritten policy drawn up in his head. Moderating your own spaces need to be in-line with employees you didn't know you had. Talking with controversial associates online needs to be pre-approved with your 'employee'.
It's obviously weird to use the word 'boss', but Max is genuinely behaving as if Steven is violating Employee HR policies. It's concerningly manipulative at its best.
I’m glad Aba joins these debates because he literally speaks for the sane and intelligent people 💯
Sometimes. I agree with maybe 80-85% of what I’ve heard from him. I do really like how he has a different perspective being from Ethiopia and grew up in Canada.
Its hard to feel charitable for lav to me because im younger than her and still dont make such harsh stances and shit on people about it then use not knowing as an excuse(or hypocritically engage in the same thing i condemn, which i believe most people think is shitty)I think people have a responsibility when having a public platform to state opinions that they really thought about and can ground some how. Of course it doesnt have to be right, we all are still learning but under the SMALLEST of pressure it shows she hasnt really thought about some things. In some instances its like she never met or seen anything around the things shes talking about. Im not charitable to sneako either but i think MOST people online knows hes dumb. My dislike for mr.girl has definitely started to grow with these later videos
I'm gonna admit, I feel an affinity to lav as being emotionally undeveloped and also super arrogant about my views when I was younger.
If I hadn't been so vocal about my views I would never have had the opportunities I had to not only learn how to research and engage with others better but also develop emotionally and not be so arrogant and contrarian.
Yeah she is cringe to listen to, but also some of us take some time to not be so stupid and cringe.
Also I think as Steven said it's so much easier to judge the zoomers when our shit was never really let out to the internet to be documented for ever and in such detail.
@@BAGG8BAGG Don't forget: she's making the choice to put everything out there forever, it's not just some mistake of youth.. And Destiny says he's glad the old LiveJournals aren't out there from when he was 18/19, because he was arrogant then, too, though, in reality, his LJ probably would've been active around 15/16, not 18/19. Regardless, she is a _woman_ in her _mid-twenties._ She's immature, but she is absolutely past the age where that's an excuse.
She doesn't even have to change the fact that she's still working on sussing out her positions. Especially now that she's aware she's doing it, she should have had the maturity to say, "I'm changing my mind and growing a lot right now. I shouldn't take such aggressive stances -- especially when my aggressive stances are critical of other people -- until I feel more solid in my opinions."
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 everything with that final statement is true. But the main issue is that she says "she's wrong" but then immediately back tracks on that statement. She also continues to do the SAME exact thing she stated that she was wrong about. Its actually quite astounding to just sit back and watch sometimes tbh.
@@BAGG8BAGG bs I'm younger than Lav and don't act like her. There's no excuse
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 I totally agree with you.
She is of the age where you would expect the foresight and emotional maturity to deal with those facts.
She is also from a generation that seems to be delaying emotional maturity and understanding nuance.
Also sometimes you can play the aggressive stance as a way of dealing with situations with people who are out of their depth, she just doesn't realise it won't work with the orbiters yet.
But my point is I understand her position as an individual who didn't really have that maturity till well beyond what was expected of me. I am not excusing it, just empathizing with how retarded she is.
Sometimes it's hard for us retards to get off the short bus and get on the long bus.
But as Steven states, it really is interesting to watch the transition.
Darius rolling into the chat was one of the greatest things I've ever heard.
Shut your mothers watermelon 🍉 out the fridge and get in the bushes 😊with Jim 😅
True catharsis
When destiny left I started reading the comments got to this one goes “oh I guess Darius comes in” 30 seconds later… Darius screaming😂
Darius is the hero Dgg deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a loud guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
@@TheDude322 No, no, he's the hero we desperately need right now and more than ever because apparently no one else talks to Mr Girl and Lav the way they deserve and understand it. Certainly it's not Destiny taking them really to account for the stupid shit they pull.
Aba was basically asking Destiny why he even has conversations with Lav. We suspected it was because he slept with her, and now it has been proven true.
Lav saying she wants Destiny to stop her and MrGirl from becoming lolcows was so funny and perfectly sums up the debate.
Aba, my guy, is like the only semi-normal person is this cesspool of drama holy shit