Miles Davis angry at Herbie Hancock
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- Don't mess with Miles while he is improvising!
This excerpt is extracted from minute 40:44 of the "Miles Davis Quintet Live at Teatro dell'Arte in Milan, Italy on October 11, 1964".
Original link: • Miles Davis Quintet Li...
(jazz music stops)
Beautiful comment
a comment for your soul.
this comment is pure glory
thank you
I laughed so fucking hard at this comment thank you!
I think Miles was mad because Herbie completed his sentence so perfectly. It's like Miles is telling a joke and then Herbie blurts out the punchline in perfect timing.
spot on
Just imagine how pissed off Miles would’ve been at John Coltrane after taking one of his riffs
Perfect analogy
I'm definitely guilty of doing that 😓
True. They were running on different speeds
Bassist like, "I'm gonna avoid eye contact with Miles & start admiring the beautiful wood grain lines on my double bass instead..."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 stop nigga!!!! My ribs hurt from that comment!!!!
Hilarious 😂
The drummer’s eyes was also like , he’s gonna gossip behind the bands back
Ron Carter
The drummer had a look of what just happened and the bassist looked at the drummer before looking at the bass , like I don't know man
“Now ur prolly wonderin, how’d I do that?”
Hahahahahahahah, welcome to my frist masterclass on how to mess with other musicians
LOL
Amazing
Bro you're funny as hell for this
SweaterSwagg bro I’m fuckin peak comedy bro😳
There's so much fan fiction in this thread.
the jazz lore is deep
Now I’m half-expecting whoever I ask “ya like jazz?” to go on some long ramble for about 10 minutes when they say yes.
It's not fan fiction. It's speculation based on lived experiences of playing in jazz ensembles. However, yes, I would agree that there are some bullshitters in the comments section who've obviously never played jazz.
You say like it's a bad thing
Herbie Trolling since 1964
Tony Williams in the background be like "My name's Paul and this is between ya'll"
I love how the drummer was like "oh no guys, not on stage..."
probably wanted him to comp instead of respond.
Exactly. You get it.
Getting annoyed at someone for playing the wrong note in a jazz band is like getting annoyed at someone for playing the wrong note in a jazz band
how can it be a wrong note when it is jazz?
this comment is fucking stupid
Some say… it’s not a wrong note if you play it again.
@@PalKrammer it’s as if… the nature of the note being repeated somehow influences its legitimacy.
Truee
The lick at 0:09
i fuckin lost it this should have more likes
is it in the bass or keys? I can’t hear it very well
@@sammyidobelieveiammy wooosh
Thebad Eagle thank you
@@sammyidobelieveiammy lmao, was your comment ironic or did you really not get it?
how about Wilt Chamberlain on the bass tho
As a jazz and NBA fan, thank you
😂😂😂😂😂
More like Bill Russell but you tried
Nah that’s Reg E. Cathey if anything
Thats spencer dinwiddie
Is it me or do old videos like this look like they sometimes have better definition than some of today’s videos lol
everything was of more quality....things may have been toxic to our existence, but the focus on quality was something else..
go see an old hi fi sound system...or old furniture from people in Brooklyn...MAHOGANY
Miles was just plain ANGRY !!!! at everything
Yeah, the drummer in the background quickly glanced at Miles when Herbie played that phrasing. He was like "Ah shit, he did it" while Ron Carter was like "Yeah don't look at me I'm just playing my part"
Miles Davis starring in the role of Michael Jordan in the new Broadway musical, "That Was When It Became Personal To Me"
If you watch the full video, Hancock stops playing for the entire next verse.
He's not mad, just kind of blue
He gave him the 20 miles stare.
Herbie Hancock is like that one guy that always cuts other people off in the cypher cause he cant wait to spit
He be like "wtf where's that piano at why you not comping"
say again!
GMooreFan115 You have zero sauce.
What is this term comping in this context? Is it when you kinda follow up and copy what the other musician did, but on your instrument? Honest question. I am a musician and pretty disappointed that I don't know this term :/
Dan M Not like it's an actual term, just a short form for accompaning.
I have to watch this every time the algorithm suggest it.
Listen to Herbie Hancock’s story about the incident. Herbie said the chord didn’t make sense, but then Miles played in such a way that it did make sense. Search “Miles Davis According to Herbie Hancock”.
I'm glad they don't operate to the metric system in America, otherwise, he would have been known as Kilometres Davis.
Ha.
And if he had been born on Jupiter he would be known as Astronomical Unit Davis.
"After that concert....Miles Davis took Herbie Hancock out behind the woodshed."
Can't help but laugh. He wants to be super pissed but there's an audience
I saw the great trash can that sounded just like him! You wouldn't believe it
The Drummer looking around like:
Well, someone’s about to catch a beat down!!!!
Tony Williams' face is priceless.
Queen of brightness
Ron Carter really had the perfect height to be a bass player
00:06 me holding my phone when I tell my wife I'll call her back later because I'm busy but she keeps on talking.
I think that was just his usual expression.
The drummer’s face would be an internet meme, if this happened in present day
Miles: "I'm about to cook." 🔥
*Herbie jumps in*
Miles: "Am I a joke to you?" 😐
miles was pissed because around this time he was trying to move away from call & response - which herbie did explicitly here.
Hahaha look at the drummers eyes.. he looks over at Herbie like oh boy.. you fucked up.. then shyly looks back in Mile's direction
It seems to me that miles was giving him space to say his statement.. herbie played a variation on what miles played and as soon as he finished paraphrasing on piano miles continued. It’s just jazz and they’re having fun
He's doing a door impression
everytime i see vintage videos like this i try to imagine how it looked in reality. like one of those bio-pic movies
Never comp a solo when the soloist is soloing..you’ll get your turn.
What happens when you're not playing the butter notes.
Its like they are drivning cars on a highway and Herbies’ car drives up to close to Miles’
It was improvisation. I guess he was mad that Herbie didn't follow his lead.
Tried to take it elsewhere.
If peeing in your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
Hancock on keys, Ron Carter on bass, Tony Williams on drums, Wayne Shorter on sax. What a band!
Wayne Shorter, cousin to the famous Ian Longer.
@@tomitiustritus6672 broo 💀
This gotta be top 5 best set of musicians together right there.
@@zacharyjohnson9562 it would be miles davis,, charlie parker, charles mingus, herbie hancock , and art blakey(art blakey is arguable
@@furious8191you forgot coltrane, although idk if he would be into this kind of music
"Yo Miles, I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but..."
exactly
Herbie did it for Beyonce
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Haha
BUT BEYONCE HAD THE BEST VIDEO OF ALL TIME
Miles Davis: gets frustrated with Herbie Hancock for cutting his solo off
Herbie Hancock: 'So What'
BAHAHAHA I LIKE THAT
He was like "and I'll do it again"
bladee
LOL that totally makes sense
Hahaa good one!
I love how they're arguing using instruments as their voices like they do in old cartoons
Excellent observation!
😂😂😂😂
just like "don't starve"
we fight with jazz
i love how yt deletes comments so the prc can use english wrong
The drummer face was fantastic😄. He was trying to remember where the emergency exit was located.
looked to me the bass playah was tinkin da same ting massah !
Unbelievable, I was just about to post that, looked down the comments and found you had beaten me to it by 2 years !! 🤣
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Put some respect on Tony Williams name
Ron Carter’s like “I’m just gonna keep walkin’”
He almost hides his face in his ' neck'
More like" I better keep walking
It's the bassist way. Just keep going and watch the drama unfold around you.
🤣🤣🤣
This guy bout to start running, shit
Lmao and Herbie just banged out another three notes like "YEA I did that and I'll do it again"
he really should just have continued to fuck with him for the rest of the solo but that might have got him fired
@@jemimallah2591 this would be my instinct which is why I’m not a great ensemble player
Herbie still alive right?
Banged is right! 😂😂😂 Herbie really gave 0 fucks 😭😭
@@ernestkovach3305 yeah
So what?
Clever😂
Ha!
Haaa ha
😂😂
What I say
Let’s be honest.
When did Miles not look angry?
The legend just had a naturally sad outlook😅
True.
I'd easily imagine, only when he had a needle in his vein.
@@erichall8866 Wasn't sadness. Dude was a straight out rage filled psychopath.
@@britishrocklovingyank3491 People don’t understand that he was talented af but literally dangerously crazy. Could have been his upbringing but sheesh he was missing some bolts
Top ten anime betrayals of 1964.
Comrade Cthulhu 😂
Operation Snake Eater is at #1.
bruh I'm done LOL
@@Silverlml your comment deserves way more likes
@@Silverlml never thought I'd see such a fine reference in the comments of a quite especific video, thanks
Sounds like Herbie played some butter notes
Jackson Betz I appreciate this reference.
is this like a thing? or is it just from that video with harmony?
Hehehehe
Miles actually used the term "butter notes" to refer to 'fat' chords, which use notes that are not critical to indicating the 'quality' of a chord...for one example, the root and fifth... You are entitled to your opinion, and if you still maintain that opinion after reading ALL the comments on this page, I doubt if even Herbie could change your mind...
Herbie- "butter notes?"
Miles, " damn bottom notes"
Honestly Tony Williams is the funniest part of this whole video. That man looks like he's contemplating his last words while Herbie is playing
Notice that Miles doesn't take the trumpet off his lips until Herbie cuts him off. He wasn't finished with his line and that's why he was so pissed.
That’s what I thought as well!
thats the most reasonable thing in this thread ive seen good explanation
Yep. Herbie stole the rest of his line in Miles' mind.
He was never finished, that's the big trouble. In fact he had issues with Thelonious Monk over similar stuff
Yeah dude at the back looked over like "Herbie you done messed up now."
The musical equivalent of “hello, how are you?” “Yes, thank you”
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LOL!
perfect
Lmao the drummers face says it all
then he responds with, "yeah no problem"
lmao tony is just sitting in the back like "shit, the dressing room is gonna be a nightmare after this...."
I’ve never seen so many people go into such detail and come up with essays about the purpose of Miles Davis staring off to the side for 2 seconds
It's because Miles was a chronic prick; it's not like this was the one time he gave somebody a dirty look.
@HNTR KLLR jeez, were you having a bad day or something?
@HNTR KLLR Ouch you hurt my feelings with that original joke 😢😢😔😤
@HNTR KLLR ABRA KADABRA
@HNTR KLLR ALLAH AKBAR !
Love how Tony Williams was so attentive even though he wasn't playing he caught Miles Davis's look and immediately knew what's up.
Ron Carter looks away too lol (“don’t make eye contact with miles right now…don’t make eye contact with miles…”)
Tony had a little bit of fear in that look.
Imagine a band with Miles Davis and Buddy Rich "We're sorry to announce tonight's performance has been postponed, as Buddy and Miles have stabbed each other..."
The stage couldn't bear the weight of their pissed off stares
@@_anne.marie_lisse , assuming you could get those two egos to collaborate with each other in the first place. Lol.
Clams!...all I hear is clams!
'Let's step outside and I'll show you how it is.'
@@funstuff2006 George Costanza! . Buddy.."What's with all these beards? This isn't the house of David baseball team!!"
Miles: ta-bap-ta-da
Herbie: ta-bap-ta-da
Miles: You fuckin with me, bro?
I love Ron Carter's reaction: "Not my problem" hahahhahaha
when you whisper a joke to a friend and he shouts it to the whole class
More like Miles shouted it out to the whole class and Herbie whispered it again under his breath lol
Accurate
Lol
That actually happened to me at least twice in my school career feels bad man
Herbie Hancock: I wish I was high on potenuse!
My dad was miles davis’ sound guy for ten years. Still sad I never met him. I heard some crazy stories tho. He called my dad “big mark” and he was mean as hell but pure genius! Still have a members only jacket and a signed photo he gifted my mom and dad while he was working for him. The definition of ‘cool’
That is super fascinating:o
Mhmmm
@@Brookzplayzmuzic mhm
@William 989 miles. I wasnt old enough...
The first time anyone’s ever used “Members Only jacket” & “The definition of ‘cool’” in the same paragraph.
Speaking from a jazz piano perspective, I absolutely adore Herbie's comping (jazz lingo for "accompanying")- even in this short excerpt- however Miles Davis was infamous for having very strict artistic goals with each of his ensembles. In this period of his career (1964-1968) his approach to improvisation became much freer harmonically which in turn demanded that Herbie Hancock (the only musician playing chords in this ensemble) play much less since whatever chord he plays on the piano will likely clash with what Miles plays. Another much more simple explanation of Miles' glare is that he wanted Herbie to just comp along with him without mirroring the contours or rhythms of his ideas. Miles' former pianists approached their comping more as a rhythmic device, for example Red Garland frequently just plays on the 'and' of 2 and 4 with simple block chords leaving lots of room for Miles and Coltrane to explore without having to worry about what colours Red will bring out in the harmony. Obviously we'll never know for sure what Miles was thinking when he glared at Herbie at this concert but I think these are the most plausible explanations.
Thank you for your detailed explanation!
I've been playing jazz for five years and just learned that comping is short for accompanying. Am I stupid or just dumb
I think its also cuz the chords are all over
Thank you
Beautifully put!
Everyone asks: “what’s the drummer doing.”
Never have they said: “how’s the drummer doing.” 😔
Anyone who has played music professionally (and not a drummer) just cracked up.
Uhhh, we ask how the drummer is doing all the time. They just never hear it because it's when they're puking their guts out 🙄
"just bangin'"
He's about to witness a murder
Tony Williams rip :(
I was there for this gig and Herbie wasn't wearing a mask..putting the whole band at risk.
Thank you. I'm jealous.
Masks in the 60’s? It never entered my mind
Rockstump Bike I HATE Vegetables sir!
idgi was there a pandemic happening at the time
Actually, there's a big chance that 'John Smith' was at the gig, statistically speaking.
Miles didn't like that Herbie responded to his riff with a similar phrasing.
I think your right. I think he thought Herbie was mocking him. Which I believe he was.
He wasn't mocking. Jesus. Herbie was just feeling the vibe and doubling it.
Why would he mock Miles? What a ridiculous statement.
Well, young guys mock each other. It's normal. But I don't believe that's the case here...
That phrasing was not even close to what miles played
The drummer's dodgy expressions give it away
He straight up looked at the camera for a second
MapleMilk Right then and there, Tony Williams invented Jim from the office’s look at the camera
"The drummer"...hahaha
@FlappableBean Is Tony Williams not a drummer?
@@DulvluSpa Google it
Tony: "wtf ! I wonder if Miles heard that ?..yeah he heard it ....uh oh"...
Ron: Yeah he heard it, just keep playin what your playin junior or it's gonna be all our asses tonight !
anofi berry Haha...
anofi berry best response EVER!!! Thats how it went down!!!!
There's no drums tho
!!! truly what happened
LMAO, and Tony is like 19 in this so he probably still new to this level of "artist"
I saw Miles Davis several times and he was very moody. Sometimes, he played an entire concert with his back turned to the audience. He was the bomb, a genius par excellence. He was always on the edge of innovation. RIP 🕊️☮️
My music teacher also saw miles davis life when he turned his back to the audience! He told us it was meant as protest against racism
Me too. Amazing and grateful I did.
That sounds like a trashy performance
@@dominikweber4305 _'protest against racism'_
M. Davis said he would never marry a woman with skin color blacker than his.
@@dominikweber4305 thats absolute BS.. He turned his back because the audience annoyed and distracted him sometimes.
Pause the video at 0:09:
Miles: I'm gonna kill you
Drummer: What did you just do, Herbie?
Ron Carter: "If my son became a priest one day, should I call him son or father?"
The "Drummer" is just the monster of Tony Williams, maybe one of the most important drummers of all times
🤣🤣🤣🤣
this is the only good comment on this vid
Tony willians man!!!!! The drummer its you and your friends
That's Wilt Chamberlain
Miles suddenly wonders who cleaned his mute with lemon Pledge.
😂
LOL
I had to watch the clip again after reading your comment. I think you are right 😁
this 😂
"no...no...nooo...."
He’s supposed to be playing pad chords and he’s riffing over Miles 😂
That’s not necessarily riffing.. more like melodic comping
What really happened: Miles forgot that he had left the stove on at home.
Lmao
"Fuck, I forgot to turn off the rice"
LMAOOO
That's from when he and his quintet were cookin'...
@@misterschubert3242 oh now this is good
I love that you jazz buffs know exactly what went on here. Kudos to all of you.
Later that night...
Miles: "Herbie, come 'ere, man."
Herbie: 😣.
That dressing room is gonna be hectic lmao. Miles probably chewed him out like nobody's business
"Open your mouth Herbie..."
😂
LMAOOOOO
You read this in Miles voice admit it
tony williams' faces are priceless
Tony AND Ron look like their both about to shit a brick... Classic..
Giovanni ---Hahahahaha!!!! I didn't notice that until you said it. You're right: hilarious!
Wilt and Mos Def
Looked like a lifetime emergency
Lol, good one vic
Herbie: riffs on miles
Miles: and I took that personally
Worlds are colliding with this comment
Miles was told that he should bring milk when he comes home. Thats the moment when he realizes that there was no grocery store open after 10pm.
Or because they didn’t accept black people back then.
:confused:
Drummer: I’m just staring at you Herbie to remember how you look. That’s all I’m doing.
Miles looks kind of blue about whatever herbie was playing...
Hahahahahshshahshshs
I think the drummer realized that Herbie stole the rest of Miles's line
EXACTLY! And I think that's why Miles was mad, Herbie complete his sentence perfectly.
@@jwallah346 which tells you Miles plays it too much. It's predictable.
Wondering if Miles had somewhere in mind to go when he played that phrase, and then Herbie's response closed the door to that for Miles and caused him to have to pause and redirect.
Exactly.
More likely he was just mad about not being able to show off more. He had a gigantic ego and didnt like being upstaged
@@Nantosuelta While it's true he had a massive ego, that wasn't why he glared at Herbie. He wanted a completely different approach to the piano in this quintet as opposed to his classic quintet with the Red Garland rhythm section at its core. Herbie got the message by this group's second recording "Miles Smiles" on which he comps noticeably less and most of his soloing is limited to right hand monophonic lines.
@@UkuleleAversionThats interesting. Thanks for sharing
@@Nantosuelta Nah. A guy who's worried about being upstaged doesn't consistently hire the best of the best. Coltrane, Evans, Adderley, Philly Joe, Herbie, Tony, Carter, Chick, Jarrett, McLaughlin, Holland, deJohnette, etc., etc.... the list of Miles' sidemen is an encyclopedia of legends and innovators.
So nobody’s mentioning how the drummer gives off a little smile while Miles is glaring at Herbie? 😂
They need to find this man if he's still alive. We need to know what's up.
Tony Williams on drums. He looked apprehensive.
It's because finishing off another jazz musician's riff is how jazz musicians ridicule one another and keep each other on their toes. You can't rest on your laurels, because other musicians will reveal your unimaginativeness if you repeat yourself. And the drummer will laugh at you.
"Now you know what I have to put up with." That's my guess.
@@PDXVoiceTeacher Tony Williams sadly he's not around us anymore 🥲
Listen to Herbie talk about Miles. This was a perfect example of their relationship - mentor teaching the student. Ever have a great coach give the stick eye to their best athlete? Was Herbie better for it, damn straight. Balance it with the story about Herbie playing So What with Miles and how Miles built off a mistake and made it something more. One moment in history taken out of context…
Indeed, but now everything has to be overblown into something to gossip about. And of course EVERYONE knows what everyone on stage was thinking and feeling because, you know we are all mind readers.
The bass at 00:11 is like...."I got nuttin to do wit dis"...
Dwight lol yesss
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Lol
THAT WAS THE BEST PART OF THIS WHOLE THING. BEST COMMENT.
😂😂😁😁😆😆 hahahahah OMG !!!
I love Tony Williams expression: "Uh, guys, I'm just the drummer, here"
I think it's because Herbie "ghosted" Miles's riff. Like a call and response, that he wasn't supposed to do. Example: If you're playing a single note funk line, you don't want the other guitarist to mimic your line or play something similar. That's what it seems like.
Nasher188 exactly!
More like when you say somthing to a kid and he responses by repeating the same sentence with annoying voice
Nasher188 nope. Bullshit
Nasher188 Exactly the vibe I’m getting… at 3 seconds into this Clip, Miles seems to be Expecting _Comp,..._ and he’s getting: _Call & Response_ ... Tony’s expression also gives off the Vibe that something Ain’t right..
eh but Herbie missed all the other notes though so I wouldn't say that he ghosted anything except for the last 2 notes
Herbie starts playing Chameleon. *miles glances while grooving
Those Tony Williams eyes 👀
I understand the whole thing from his eyes and smirk
omg. Tony Williams' eye shifts at 0:07-11 are A MOOD.
Thank you for saying 'Tony Williams' and not 'the drummer's, Tony's a legend!
On beat as well
Hes like oh shit, dont kill him miles lol
@Dr Synapsis I get it. Just as in "John, Paul, George and the drummer", I guess.
@@belin-teamdjokovic1628 As if most people who know those 3 names don't know Ringo... The illogical snobbery is laughable lol
Miles was definitely pissed. He didn't expect Herbie to come in there.
Julian Davis with a last name like this you just gotta be a jazz freak! :D
i definitely think he was expecting everyone to come in. Usually Herbie does that loud streaking chord to start it off. Then ron starts to walk and tony starts swingin. When herbie missed it Miles had to back off and keep the solo calm. If you watch on the full concert : th-cam.com/video/OytaPsHWIT0/w-d-xo.html right before waynes solo miles does the same thing at like 2:25. Notice what herbie does.. he plays that loud streaking chord to start everyone off. When waynes solo starts ron is walking, herbie comping actively and tony is swingin
Herbie’s autobiography is a good read that talks about lots of what happened on stage. I recommend it!
0:04 is the personification of "Now I know *DAMN* well...."
😂😂😂
Then again, Miles was pretty much mad at everybody as a rule...
I read his autobiography, and that pretty much covers it. All he could talk about was hating white men and how many woman he'd slept with. He was not a happy person.
@@chrispile3878 In all interviews when you could decipher what he croaked after his throat surgery went wrong, he came over as a veery bitter man, resentful of everyone and everything - a chip on his shoulder the size of a plank which made him seem like he had a persecution complex. Maybe he didn't but that is how it seemed. I reckon even Bill Evans found him scary. If he smiled it would have cracked his face!
@@chrispile3878 Yeah he wasn't a good dude
@@el34glo59 He wasn't a BAD dude, he was just deeply flawed. He WAS human, afterall.
@@chrispile3878
I can't imagine what it was like being a black men then or even now, for that matter. Can you?
Dude was wondering if he could hide behind his bass neck!