I do find it interesting that people automatically jumped to all these conspiracy theories first rather than saying wow she might need to get checked out by a mental hospital.
I think she was suffering from drug induced psychosis. She took a lot of party drugs apparently and it sent her off the rails, but she seems a lot better now.
many people did think and say exactly that. this video addresses the large number of people who went in the conspiracy theory direction, but there was a much larger number of people there raising more rational concerns and challenging those people daily.
It’s so weird how no one can really describe what crazy eyes are but as soon as you see them, you know what they are and as soon as you see this girl, you know that’s what they are
@@spiritwardiariesYeah but like Alex Jones and that stupid voice,, people can PURPOSELY look psycho if they want,, usually with a concentrated glare centering around the eyes, have you ever seen that one weirdo who claims he's the most intelligent guy on Earth and claims that all women want him to smack them around? He's a real psycho,, I guess he did some AMA fighting and he looks kind of built but anyway he's just a real psycho and I'll put a link to him right here......
Without the entire internet as a feedback cycle she'd just be that weird pretty girl people remember from school, and "Oh wow, did you hear what happened to her? She moved to Cleveland and thinks rum is God's life blood from the 7th dimension. Lucky she has that divorce money, I suppose..." Instead she has multitudes of followers watching her like The Truman Show.
If anyone has ever seen the movie Luck of the Irish, the boyo realizes in the end that he didn't need the lucky coin to play well. But he thought he did because he trained his subconcious to believe that it made him better
AND they get paid a sh*t ton of money cause of all the rubber necks not being able to turn away. They can’t get enough of it. Ahhh the human condition. Makes my head hurt😵💫
I have Multiple Sclerosis. I was diagnosed in 2013. I was diagnosed bipolar 2 after my dx of MS. This disease causes lesions on the brain, which can lead to mental changes. She sounds like i do when I’m manic. It’s been a long time since I’ve had a manic episode…I wish her healing. The disease is something else, believe me.
Look closely into parasites. One study used hookworms to combat the roundworms that effected all ms patients. It’s applying a bandaid instead of a cure. Anti parasite options are out there. It’s a shame more ppl do not know the full effect of parasites and the problem on the body.
@@toothygrin9562I'm curious about this,, so in a manic episode,, you feel really powerful or really important or something,, more than usual fanciful or fantastical imagination and the usually transitory feelings of humor or other emotions? Like with the Messianic kind of thing a lot of manics seem to get,, does it just seem more logical for some reason, more than at other times, that during these manic phases one that feels like they're John the Baptist or some other important historical personality or something?
I have several friends who were diagnosed with MS but after visiting Dr Spindelilus, a doctor who specializes in treating serious diseases like MS and Cancer, it turned out all but one actually had Lyme disease which has nearly all of the same symptoms as Lyme. Thankfully, those who had Lyme have been successfully treated and although it took time, they are healthy and disease free. I just spoke to one of them two days ago and he we talked about how he would be dead by now had he continued to believe he had MS. Unfortunately, most doctors don't test for this nor do they know which test to use. My region has a very high rate of people who have Lyme due to a high concentration of ticks and unfortunately, most are being falsely diagnosed with having MS and dying needlessly as a result. I just ask that those who have MS to look at least see about getting the proper Lyme disease test. There are 3 versions of this but only one is truly accurate as the other two mostly just show false negatives. Dr Spindelilus can have you tested regardless of where you are in the country. Good luck 🙏
Your channel Dr Grande, is one of the few places on TH-cam for people to gather a rational evaluation of evidence. When this type of analysis meets unusual events, the results can be entertaining but also informative. Thank you.
@@Ana-iy8hqBe careful because people are lacing anything now, sometimes without even realizing it. Put it in a bowl or bong. Don't smoke other people's blunts or joints unless you watched them roll it
@@danyelleorr-mcneil4711 I have bipolar and I had taken hashish before but this time I was severely depressed and they recommended it to me. I was crawling across the floor. Couldnt even stand up or move my limbs. Luckily I got to the bathroom and puked my guts out. Extreme paranoia and thoughts racing so fast I believed the Earth was gonna suck me in. Would never recommend weed to anybody no matter if its supposedly just physical pain; usually its coupled with depression. I thought I was going to die.
Thank you for including good information about conspiracy theorists and the predictable path that conspiracies take. Very informative in these times when so many people seem susceptible.
You should educate yourself more about how many "conspiracy theories" have proven true over the last 50yrs. It will open your eyes. Some people are just susceptible to critical thinking.
Yes! The problem is definitely exacerbated by the fact that there are some young, so-called “social influencers” such as Marina, who are willing to lie and even make exaggerated claims about themselves and others just to grow and maintain subscribers and viewers. Beyond the herd mentality, there are certain followers who, for various reasons - from immaturity to paranoia - are far more vulnerable to Marina’s and other influences’/bloggers’ strange manipulations. In Marina’s case, and likely others, they could also be could be caused by her own immaturity and mental instability. I fear Marina may not fully understand her personal instability and how it might be truly adversely affecting those who feel as if they can trust her credibility.
Great points about conspiracy theory, in which you mentioned that “those beliefs are fueled by paranoia not compassion.” Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤
I think a lot of times these days people get caught up in conspiracies because they’re bored, not necessarily because they’re scared of something happening to them
She’s probably doing some sort of ARG (alternate reality game) where you find clues in videos or notes, they are becoming huge and everywhere. Like cicada 3301 or local 58. They are very interesting. These can go on for years, it keeps people guessing and keeps them coming back. This girl knows what she’s doing. Plus people get very attached to TH-camrs. It’s like their climb to fame is also the person watching them, I find myself doing the same thing with a few channels. I can’t pin her down without having watched them and hell no I never will. Plus attention. And yes people have a lot of time on their hands. This isn’t the 70’s anymore. People are terminally online. We don’t even talk on the phone. Sometimes a TH-cam community is your life sadly.
Nah, it's the ego. "I'm so special, I know about this CRAZY PLOT TO RULE THE WORLD. Everyone else is in the cave, not knowing it, I'm special and I left the cave."
Never heard of her. It's never a good idea to be in the public eye when you are suffering with mental health issues. She probably doesn't know what her mental health issues are but I hope she gets help and gets better.
I never knew about this but this has to be the most self - involved age, ever. Too much attention can do bad things to people and that bull about MS is cruel to those of us with neurological disorders. Essential oils and herbs do not cure them.
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Im surprised Dr. Grande didn't mention bipolar mania or psychosis. Pressured speech, grandiosity, bizzare beliefs, recklessness/impulsivity, racing thoughts... it sounds pretty textbook mania to me. Periods in between of euthymia point away from this being an issue of personality as well. Additionally, substance induced psychosis fits the clinical picture as well and it sounds like she dabbled in a few things that could've triggered a psychotic episode. Of course we don't know because we aren't the ones treating her but this is just some food for thought from a student doctor.
The idea crossed my mind as well. Disappearing for days on end and the grandiose thinking specifically. Of course its all just speculation but its not a wild path to start down as far diagnosing. Best of luck in your studies.
I literally just searched the word bipolar to see if anyone else mentioned this (only yours came up!) because I was thinking the same thing. This sounds a lot like she is struggling with bipolar or some other mental health issue.
Wow, sounds like her parents had a hard time picking out her middle name. 🤔 There are so many people these days that join group think and have a mob mentality. The younder generations, especially, don't think fot themselves the way they should. Which is scary. I'm also continuously shocked at how popular some of these content creators are for just recording things that seem so ridiculous. 🙄 And a lot of them get into public TH-cam fights with eachother over the dumbest things. 😂 Thank you for another educational and interesting analysis, Dr. Grande. I just got home from a 12 hr shift at the hospital and was so happy to see a new video from you!!❤
I remember when everyone was talking about how odd she was and people made videos about her behavior. I don’t watch her stuff, so I’m not able to say for sure how she is these days as I’ve heard she is still making videos as well as people have stopped mentioning her acting odd, but I hope she’s doing well. Thank you for the video Dr. Grande, I hope you’re doing well and keep up the great work. Have a great weekend!
She used to post makeup and hair videos wayyyy back ago, like almost 10 years ago and I used to love them! It was so weird when her name popped back up for this weird stuff.
Disclaimer: I know nothing about her other than this story, but I would say, after listening to it, she's either mentally ill, on drugs, or she's one of the best performers ever. Re: Her fans: It sounds like mass hypnosis to me. lol 🧚♀
I wondered if this had sparked a mass formation amongst her fans too. Matthias Desmets work on this is interesting and he describes 4 elements needed for a mass formation to occur and I can see how all 4 could be present here.
@@honestyisadyingvirtue Yep, or mass hysteria. It's clear from the comments on some stories there are many people, being the commenters, are just looking for drama and then all feed each other and simple stories where very little is actually known just get bigger and bigger as more of them jump on the bandwagon.
Enjoyed this one even more than usual, Dr. Grande. Masterful in combining facts, humour and great alitteration, with a balance, between neither attacking nor defending particularly, the influencer in question. Consideration for another's humanity and the propensity we all share to go through unsettled times in life.
I whole-heartedly believe that she became hooked on psychedelics. She spoke and went about life the way that I did when I was addicted to DXM for two years.
I clicked on this so fast 😆. Took me back to 2016. I had no idea that she still made videos. I had completely forgotten about this girl. Glad she's okay
Girl starts TH-cam channel Girl gets popular and starts making money Girl uses her new found popularity to go to big parties Drug dealers find girl Girl starts acting like she’s using drugs
@@chubbs_tubby3360 when dealers find out someone has money and is using they will ingratiate themselves to the person so they have a monopoly on their cash
@@TheJemstar28meth isn't really a thing in England. We have plenty of hallucinogens, plenty of entactogens, narcotics etc could be any combination of these
We studied mental health in my girls health class for 3-4 weeks in 10th grade back in the 70’s. We girls were very fascinated by the information on mental illnesses! This woman seems to have grandiose type of mental state.
I vaguely remember this. I suspected mental health issues. She sometimes seemed manic, and possibly like she was experiencing some level of psychosis, and it’s not someone’s obligation to share their mental health. It would make more sense to just not post while having a mental health crisis, but it sounds like she has decided to double down and make it her selling point at the time. I have bipolar disorder and I have believed all sorts of things were a good idea. She was young and may not have even known her mental health issues were issues. People with mood disorders and/or psychotic disorders often won’t recognize when they are sick, and MS can absolutely cause all sorts of mental health issues. THC is super hot and miss with people who experience psychosis or any other mental health issues. It can help some but make symptoms much worse in others, and if a patient has issues recognizing their symptoms, that can be a problem. I’m not sure how any of this would be treated, but I wish she had seen a psychiatrist, for her sake, because this will always be on the internet. One day this will hurt her. But I hate that people jump to such extremes. Occam’s Razor should be taught in high school at some point. It’s far more likely for someone to be mentally I’ll than be some extreme hostage situation where she is still given access to the internet. That just doesn’t happen very often. Brittany Spears is the closest case of some sort of ‘hostage with internet access,’ but even that extreme case doesn’t fit. I see it so often. Someone puts out a video with something legitimately questionable and people jump to a ridiculously unlikely and extreme scenario. That makes people not want to come forward, even if they need to do so in order to heal. Go with the simplest and most statistically likely scenario.
Many People online will ask you to believe whatever will get them the most attention. There are plenty of Gen Zers who display their multiple personalities on tick toc. Thanks for being a rational voice Dr. Grande. Whatever is going on with her, I hope that she finds peace of mind
@11:17 “There is this temptation to join in with the crowd, to hold the same opinion as the majority “. How absolutely TRUE! Not just in this case but in so many every day cases. If you go against a popular opinion, as I did recently on Facebook (this was regarding the current attempt to erode sex differences), people will attack you, not because they believe in what they are saying but because the popular opinion being circulated is considered the fashionable norm, and we should not dare diverge from this! As Dr. Grande so rightly puts it, people should learn to think for themselves , “it doesn’t matter what the crowd is thinking about any particular situation….”, there is this awful pressure put on people “to think a certain way or risk being labeled as antisocial or insensitive”. This mentality is indeed NONSENSICAL, DESTRUCTIVE and HAS NO PLACE IN a world of rational decision making! Well said, Dr. Grande! Brilliant 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽‼️
This incident is the best argument for Occam’s Razor I’ve ever seen firsthand… this girl is acting a little weird in a video? No, it can’t be a mental health issue, it’s gotta be that she’s been kidnapped by her boyfriend and drugged and forced to make videos to lure people into human trafficking. Obviously! (Also I remember watching the kidnapping hoax happen, I didn’t know she went full goddess mode 😭)
Thank you for laying out this story. It's a looking glass into how being in the spotlight, for both right or wrong reasons, can lead to the delusion of self. Unfortunately, she is one of too many that fall victim to this. I'm not sure social media is a good place for people who haven't really explored who they are, and that social media is the best place to do it.
I think the difference is just the availability of contact with many other strange people. Truly, I am 56 and there were always strange people doing strange things, but they just had less access. Sadly, when they find others like them and sprout foolishness, it can hurt others who believe them and follow their advice.
It's a real stretch to blame cancel culture for this conspiracy theory--or for conspiracy theories in general. Nobody is getting cancelled for doubting that a beauty TH-camr is being held hostage.
Where you there watching it in real time? It was considered REALLY unacceptable to voice the opinion this was BS and she was fine. No one was canceled because no one doubted the situation (publicly) or spoke out against the mainstream opinion. Well, except keemstar but he's too hated to be canceled
If everyone is afraid to speak out against something for fear of being canceled, therfore not allowing in dissenting opinions and allowing everyone to become more delusional and feed into conspiracies then yes, I would say an argument can be made that cancel culture, is somewhat to blame for many things like this. Plus you have to think, if these people are so deranged to come up with crazy conspiracies like a finger means a person was directing her what to do, then its safe to assume that at least one of these crazies would probably dox you and send you threats because you gave an adverse opinion. Cancel culture at its finest, doesn't just apply to big things.
What about the video her friend made about her after she went missing, about how she was using mushrooms or some type of psychedelic every single day for months…
We have (predictibley) entered an era when people will do anything just to to get money and attention. What was once nicely collected on the outskirts of traveling carnivals, a place where we could visit all of them in one visit, is now spread out all over the place making everyone work harder.
Love the skepticism and compassion. I always feel sad for what these folks turn to for hope in their lives. It feels good thinking people are happy in the afterlife. But, I'm afraid that sh*t leads to judgment and wars. Make as much love as you can in this life, for the sake of our survival.
Dr. Grande said there's no way to know for sure what happened with Marina Joyce. WHAT?! Marina developed schizophrenia in 2016. That's why she behaved in such an odd manner. She told the internet directly what happened. She finally admitted it 2 years after all the fanfair. Maybe there's no way to know for sure what happened if you don't believe her confession, I guess. However, I remember a creator on the platform who worked in a mental hospital at the time, saying that Marina was schizophrenic back in 2016 long before Marina herself acknowledged it. The creator said she specifically worked with schizophrenic patients on her floor of the hospital, and Marina's behavior was consistent with what she saw on a daily basis.
Not to diagnose her but Marina should have probably been screened for schizophrenia or a similar reality-impairing disorder years ago. It's really sad that her mother didn't think to get her help.
Maybe her mom was waiting to make money off of her...its likely she was raised to become this way and they were just waiting to see their bad work pay off.
It's concerning how obsessed people can become with social media influencers. Thankfully, talking to my life-size Dr grande posters keeps me grounded.
Witty comment.
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I hate how people use these online nonsense events to get views. Thankfully, we have Dr Grande to keep us grounded 😉
Lol
Lol! 🤣😂🤣😂
That woman took all the middle names. Leave some for the rest of us, dang.
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Today's question is can I analyze cases while looking like a total nerd and seeming slightly Hispanic.
I have 3 middle names too it's a curse trust me
I have 5 what were parents thinking. Take one plz
Honestly... I'm just glad I had no idea any of this was going on, lol. The things you go through for us Dr. Grande!
You and me both. Age has its benefits.
huh? if you didn't know "it" was happening, how did Dr. Grande go through "it" for you ??
I stand with you on that one 😅 whew!
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He went through it by doing research on it and presenting it to us.
@johnmccullough3662 I didn't use the word "it" and you're being intentionally obtuse.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video, only speculating about a self-proclaimed deity like this.
I feel that I'm not the only one who speaks the line out loud simultaneously with Dr. Grande. Lmao
@@KatSpade1018probably 😂😂
its not going to end well, simply b/c the Wall is undefeated even for female deities such as this....
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Alright BIG Z
Hows tricks
I’m concerned about how her hair is parted so far on the side more than anything
She wears her hair like a trump comb over.
Yes!!!!🕷️
That's exactly when I became concerned too
.... otherwise known as s comb-over
Same
I do find it interesting that people automatically jumped to all these conspiracy theories first rather than saying wow she might need to get checked out by a mental hospital.
I think she was suffering from drug induced psychosis. She took a lot of party drugs apparently and it sent her off the rails, but she seems a lot better now.
A lot of people did think she had an episode
many people did think and say exactly that. this video addresses the large number of people who went in the conspiracy theory direction, but there was a much larger number of people there raising more rational concerns and challenging those people daily.
People need something to give them meaning in their dull, gray little lives, and paranoia fufills that need.
Hey ...you are on social media
It’s so weird how no one can really describe what crazy eyes are but as soon as you see them, you know what they are and as soon as you see this girl, you know that’s what they are
Yep
Google Sunpaku Eyes 👀 It's an interesting observation many call superstitious but it sure does seem to happen alot! 😂
@@spiritwardiariesYeah but like Alex Jones and that stupid voice,, people can PURPOSELY look psycho if they want,, usually with a concentrated glare centering around the eyes, have you ever seen that one weirdo who claims he's the most intelligent guy on Earth and claims that all women want him to smack them around? He's a real psycho,, I guess he did some AMA fighting and he looks kind of built but anyway he's just a real psycho and I'll put a link to him right here......
@@spiritwardiariesexactly. It's where you pull back your upper eyelids and show your scleras
AI can now detect schizophrenia by analyzing pictures of people’s eyes
Without the entire internet as a feedback cycle she'd just be that weird pretty girl people remember from school, and "Oh wow, did you hear what happened to her? She moved to Cleveland and thinks rum is God's life blood from the 7th dimension. Lucky she has that divorce money, I suppose..."
Instead she has multitudes of followers watching her like The Truman Show.
so true.
Multitudes of followers just looking for drama.
Yeah, shes so fucking sexy though...
She's a pretty lolcow.
Dr Grande rattling off her video titles has me dying 😂😂😂😂….
Lol, he's so dry...
@@willthebeast8002 indeed !! 😂
Yes, it really hits home how vapid they are when he lists them 😅
@@UnassimilatedRG indeed !
oh god I know. Pretty shallow stuff other than saving the kitty cat. I like kitties.
I love how concerned Grande gets whenever he talks about crystals for "healing"
Crystals can support with certain health or mind issues, like herbs can, or yoga, but they are neither a wonder cure nor dangerous.
Crystals are at best a placebo.
Crystals are at worst...a placebo😂.
@@cindymichel4870 I have seen nonbelievers go to believers REAL quick. I don't expect you to believe for no reason. I didn't.
If anyone has ever seen the movie Luck of the Irish, the boyo realizes in the end that he didn't need the lucky coin to play well. But he thought he did because he trained his subconcious to believe that it made him better
Well she did save a homeless cat.
People don't adopt cats, cats adopt people
@@rogerm3708Been there, done that.
@@rogerm3708nah
That's so unique
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😊It’s a good day. It’s Saturday, I’m eating mashed potatoes and I get to watch Dr.Grande 🥔🌵❤️
Sounds like ultimate comfort.
Back in the day these freaks just did all this in the woods. Now it's all public
😂😂😂😂 so true
AND they get paid a sh*t ton of money cause of all the rubber necks not being able to turn away. They can’t get enough of it. Ahhh the human condition. Makes my head hurt😵💫
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Yes they did! I always found myself in these circles when I was younger. I never thought it would become mainstream.
lol
I can't get over her comb-over.
She reminds me of Gwen Shamblin. Remember her?
Yes. I came here to say this. She is channeling Gwen Shamblin Lara.
what is inside is being shown outside as well usually, see how well balanced person she is
She got that emo comb-over from 2007
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True the comb over should be in her how not to look pretty video...
I have Multiple Sclerosis. I was diagnosed in 2013. I was diagnosed bipolar 2 after my dx of MS. This disease causes lesions on the brain, which can lead to mental changes. She sounds like i do when I’m manic. It’s been a long time since I’ve had a manic episode…I wish her healing. The disease is something else, believe me.
I was thinking bipolar also. I have bipolar 1 and her symptoms sound so much like my own when manic also.
Look closely into parasites. One study used hookworms to combat the roundworms that effected all ms patients. It’s applying a bandaid instead of a cure. Anti parasite options are out there. It’s a shame more ppl do not know the full effect of parasites and the problem on the body.
@@toothygrin9562I'm curious about this,, so in a manic episode,, you feel really powerful or really important or something,, more than usual fanciful or fantastical imagination and the usually transitory feelings of humor or other emotions? Like with the Messianic kind of thing a lot of manics seem to get,, does it just seem more logical for some reason, more than at other times, that during these manic phases one that feels like they're John the Baptist or some other important historical personality or something?
Goddamn best wishes and healing to you and the girl in the video
I have several friends who were diagnosed with MS but after visiting Dr Spindelilus, a doctor who specializes in treating serious diseases like MS and Cancer, it turned out all but one actually had Lyme disease which has nearly all of the same symptoms as Lyme. Thankfully, those who had Lyme have been successfully treated and although it took time, they are healthy and disease free. I just spoke to one of them two days ago and he we talked about how he would be dead by now had he continued to believe he had MS.
Unfortunately, most doctors don't test for this nor do they know which test to use. My region has a very high rate of people who have Lyme due to a high concentration of ticks and unfortunately, most are being falsely diagnosed with having MS and dying needlessly as a result.
I just ask that those who have MS to look at least see about getting the proper Lyme disease test. There are 3 versions of this but only one is truly accurate as the other two mostly just show false negatives. Dr Spindelilus can have you tested regardless of where you are in the country.
Good luck 🙏
"Words, without saying anything." The realm of New Age believers & Politicians.
Your channel Dr Grande, is one of the few places on TH-cam for people to gather a rational evaluation of evidence. When this type of analysis meets unusual events, the results can be entertaining but also informative. Thank you.
That hair would have been my first clue
As someone who suffers severe multiple sclerosis, I can say that weed isn't a cure, but it sure does help!
Sidenote: look into Lion's Mane if you haven't already.
If i were to smoke a blunt, Id fall dead. Worst recent experience of my life.
@@Ana-iy8hqI'm curious, what happened?
@@Ana-iy8hqBe careful because people are lacing anything now, sometimes without even realizing it. Put it in a bowl or bong. Don't smoke other people's blunts or joints unless you watched them roll it
@@danyelleorr-mcneil4711 I have bipolar and I had taken hashish before but this time I was severely depressed and they recommended it to me. I was crawling across the floor. Couldnt even stand up or move my limbs. Luckily I got to the bathroom and puked my guts out. Extreme paranoia and thoughts racing so fast I believed the Earth was gonna suck me in. Would never recommend weed to anybody no matter if its supposedly just physical pain; usually its coupled with depression. I thought I was going to die.
Thank you for including good information about conspiracy theorists and the predictable path that conspiracies take. Very informative in these times when so many people seem susceptible.
Absolutely, right! I almost fell for that conspiracy theory that the vaccine was NEITHER SAFE NOR EFFECTIVE. Close one 😬
You should educate yourself more about how many "conspiracy theories" have proven true over the last 50yrs. It will open your eyes. Some people are just susceptible to critical thinking.
Yes! The problem is definitely exacerbated by the fact that there are some young, so-called “social influencers” such as Marina, who are willing to lie and even make exaggerated claims about themselves and others just to grow and maintain subscribers and viewers. Beyond the herd mentality, there are certain followers who, for various reasons - from immaturity to paranoia - are far more vulnerable to Marina’s and other influences’/bloggers’ strange manipulations. In Marina’s case, and likely others, they could also be could be caused by her own immaturity and mental instability. I fear Marina may not fully understand her personal instability and how it might be truly adversely affecting those who feel as if they can trust her credibility.
Great points about conspiracy theory, in which you mentioned that “those beliefs are fueled by paranoia not compassion.”
Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤
I love this channel. You are so articulate, respectful, and professional
and funny
I think a lot of times these days people get caught up in conspiracies because they’re bored, not necessarily because they’re scared of something happening to them
Exactly. I’ll bet the percentage is very large. And all of those fans seem to have WAY too much time on their hands.
Excess free time can cause an individual's mind to wander aimlessly or find a deeper meaning
She’s probably doing some sort of ARG (alternate reality game) where you find clues in videos or notes, they are becoming huge and everywhere. Like cicada 3301 or local 58. They are very interesting. These can go on for years, it keeps people guessing and keeps them coming back. This girl knows what she’s doing.
Plus people get very attached to TH-camrs. It’s like their climb to fame is also the person watching them, I find myself doing the same thing with a few channels. I can’t pin her down without having watched them and hell no I never will. Plus attention.
And yes people have a lot of time on their hands. This isn’t the 70’s anymore. People are terminally online. We don’t even talk on the phone. Sometimes a TH-cam community is your life sadly.
Nah, it's the ego. "I'm so special, I know about this CRAZY PLOT TO RULE THE WORLD. Everyone else is in the cave, not knowing it, I'm special and I left the cave."
What exactly does she believe in? Some sort of fringe Hinduism?
I love your cacti collection! While I listen, I rearrange them in my mind!
Me too
The yellow one with the glasses used to be on the other table!
Never heard of her. It's never a good idea to be in the public eye when you are suffering with mental health issues. She probably doesn't know what her mental health issues are but I hope she gets help and gets better.
I never knew about this but this has to be the most self - involved age, ever. Too much attention can do bad things to people and that bull about MS is cruel to those of us with neurological disorders. Essential oils and herbs do not cure them.
Autoimmune disorder caused by EBV. So you may want to rethink the say you view it and treatment.
If you are right, and I am not sure, it is due to social media.
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I and my pet tortoise Tortimer thank you for this notification.
I will choose the cheesecake, thank you.
Counting all my buttons, as I speak!
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@@jenniferwintz2514 Awesome!
I can imagine Dr Grande losing it to "how to be a cat" 😂
I don't know how he's got the patience to study these people!
Im surprised Dr. Grande didn't mention bipolar mania or psychosis. Pressured speech, grandiosity, bizzare beliefs, recklessness/impulsivity, racing thoughts... it sounds pretty textbook mania to me. Periods in between of euthymia point away from this being an issue of personality as well. Additionally, substance induced psychosis fits the clinical picture as well and it sounds like she dabbled in a few things that could've triggered a psychotic episode. Of course we don't know because we aren't the ones treating her but this is just some food for thought from a student doctor.
Abso-frickin-lutely. Late teen onset of schizophrenia
The idea crossed my mind as well. Disappearing for days on end and the grandiose thinking specifically. Of course its all just speculation but its not a wild path to start down as far diagnosing. Best of luck in your studies.
I was thinking schizoaffective disorder tbh
I literally just searched the word bipolar to see if anyone else mentioned this (only yours came up!) because I was thinking the same thing. This sounds a lot like she is struggling with bipolar or some other mental health issue.
Marijuana, drinking and other substances may exacerbate such conditions. New age practices lean heavily on self diagnosis and medications.
Wow, sounds like her parents had a hard time picking out her middle name. 🤔 There are so many people these days that join group think and have a mob mentality. The younder generations, especially, don't think fot themselves the way they should. Which is scary. I'm also continuously shocked at how popular some of these content creators are for just recording things that seem so ridiculous. 🙄 And a lot of them get into public TH-cam fights with eachother over the dumbest things. 😂 Thank you for another educational and interesting analysis, Dr. Grande. I just got home from a 12 hr shift at the hospital and was so happy to see a new video from you!!❤
Oh yes, now there are big wars going on between content creaters. It would be funny if it weren't so ridiculous.
I frankly think the bottom line is how much money they can bring in.
@@cynthiamurphy3669 I completely agree.
Sad commentary again that society watches & cares about this drivel & narcissism. Great points again. Thanks Dr G😊💘💘
Flippinn zeena. I thought we had conquered you ages ago!
@@TranceMasterJack Say what? You smoking the wacky tobacco there friend?
This is just a bunch of people with nothing better to do.
Dr. Grande, I would love to see your take on how to be a cat.
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There's an episode of 'Mork & Mindy' where Robin Williams does just that, it's great lol.
@@ParchedGoddess Nanoo, Nanoo
I'm the 12th star princess of planet Kurt. I wear a ballerina tutu with butterflies and fairies and I rule. 🤣😂😁Everybody gets cotton candy for lunch.
I remember when everyone was talking about how odd she was and people made videos about her behavior. I don’t watch her stuff, so I’m not able to say for sure how she is these days as I’ve heard she is still making videos as well as people have stopped mentioning her acting odd, but I hope she’s doing well. Thank you for the video Dr. Grande, I hope you’re doing well and keep up the great work. Have a great weekend!
She used to post makeup and hair videos wayyyy back ago, like almost 10 years ago and I used to love them! It was so weird when her name popped back up for this weird stuff.
it is sad that you remember her
Thanks Dr. Grande! I'll take "How to be a cat" for $100?
I have no idea who this person is; but I have to say, Dr Grande, you nailed it!
Disclaimer: I know nothing about her other than this story, but I would say, after listening to it, she's either mentally ill, on drugs, or she's one of the best performers ever. Re: Her fans: It sounds like mass hypnosis to me. lol 🧚♀
I wondered if this had sparked a mass formation amongst her fans too. Matthias Desmets work on this is interesting and he describes 4 elements needed for a mass formation to occur and I can see how all 4 could be present here.
@@TheMinimalistTherapistWhat are the four?
Mass psychosis is more like it.
@@honestyisadyingvirtue Yep, or mass hysteria. It's clear from the comments on some stories there are many people, being the commenters, are just looking for drama and then all feed each other and simple stories where very little is actually known just get bigger and bigger as more of them jump on the bandwagon.
It sounds to me like a lot of people need to get a life.
Calling herself a goddes one day, and rambling incoherently the other, and finally disappearing. Isn't this textbook bipolarity?
Strange - but that was not an air gun but an antique (and legal in the UK if not used; the ammunition is long since obsolete) Martini Henry Rifle.
Your deadpan delivery is kind of hilarious. Also, of course, informative.
I too am relieved that I had never heard about this. What the actual heck.
“conduct a rational evaluation of evidence.”
Bravo Dr Grande!
But that would be boring. Not only do these people have way too much time on their hands, they need constant stimulation too.
I remember when this happened, people were treating it like a spooky ARG rather than real concern about a real person.
I love your summary of her channel ❤️
Enjoyed this one even more than usual, Dr. Grande. Masterful in combining facts, humour and great alitteration, with a balance, between neither attacking nor defending particularly, the influencer in question. Consideration for another's humanity and the propensity we all share to go through unsettled times in life.
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I really would love an analysis of the German case "Drachenlord - Rainer Winkler".
His story is worth it , I promise.
Count dankula did a three part series on him hes almost like Germany's version of Chris chan
I whole-heartedly believe that she became hooked on psychedelics. She spoke and went about life the way that I did when I was addicted to DXM for two years.
that's what happened, her friends said she got psychosis from all the psychedelics from raves etc
I clicked on this so fast 😆. Took me back to 2016. I had no idea that she still made videos. I had completely forgotten about this girl. Glad she's okay
Playing with deities and those stones will torment you😢
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Girl starts TH-cam channel
Girl gets popular and starts making money
Girl uses her new found popularity to go to big parties
Drug dealers find girl
Girl starts acting like she’s using drugs
Drug dealers don't have to go looking for customers....drug users go looking for dealers
@@chubbs_tubby3360she found them at the big parties, evidently
@@chubbs_tubby3360 when dealers find out someone has money and is using they will ingratiate themselves to the person so they have a monopoly on their cash
"girl"
this
We appreciate your dedication and hard work as always. Keep working hard.
Your English teachers would be so proud of you Dr Grande, your mind is fascinating and clever.👍
I watched her videos before she got really weird. I liked her makeup. I was really concerned when she started acting erratically.
Pretty sure its meth.
@@TheJemstar28meth isn't really a thing in England. We have plenty of hallucinogens, plenty of entactogens, narcotics etc could be any combination of these
the point is that you know what is important in life
I’ve been waiting for this one, I love analysis. Thank you dr. Grande for fulfilling my curiosity.
Thank you for another informative video Dr Todd Bill Jim James Paul Tryon Samuel Bob Sylis Emanuel Grande.
Hi Dr. Grande, excellent analysis. As always I learn something new from your videos.
Have a wonderful evening.
She wasn't repeating herself. Marina was just talking to Rose, Iris, Alice, Louise and Joyce.
Can't believe people watch and become fans of people like her!
We studied mental health in my girls health class for 3-4 weeks in 10th grade back in the 70’s. We girls were very fascinated by the information on mental illnesses! This woman seems to have grandiose type of mental state.
"Conspiracy theories are fueled by paranoia." Some of them are fueled by awareness of the facts.
I've heard the term "Manic Pixie Dream Girl" and she seems like the archetype
Likely because she was manic, these sound exactly like manic episodes
I don't usually comment on videos, but you were so respectful of her, it's nice to see.
Her hair is distracting. Thanks, Dr. Grande! I had no idea she existed.
I vaguely remember this. I suspected mental health issues. She sometimes seemed manic, and possibly like she was experiencing some level of psychosis, and it’s not someone’s obligation to share their mental health. It would make more sense to just not post while having a mental health crisis, but it sounds like she has decided to double down and make it her selling point at the time. I have bipolar disorder and I have believed all sorts of things were a good idea. She was young and may not have even known her mental health issues were issues. People with mood disorders and/or psychotic disorders often won’t recognize when they are sick, and MS can absolutely cause all sorts of mental health issues. THC is super hot and miss with people who experience psychosis or any other mental health issues. It can help some but make symptoms much worse in others, and if a patient has issues recognizing their symptoms, that can be a problem. I’m not sure how any of this would be treated, but I wish she had seen a psychiatrist, for her sake, because this will always be on the internet. One day this will hurt her. But I hate that people jump to such extremes. Occam’s Razor should be taught in high school at some point. It’s far more likely for someone to be mentally I’ll than be some extreme hostage situation where she is still given access to the internet. That just doesn’t happen very often. Brittany Spears is the closest case of some sort of ‘hostage with internet access,’ but even that extreme case doesn’t fit. I see it so often. Someone puts out a video with something legitimately questionable and people jump to a ridiculously unlikely and extreme scenario. That makes people not want to come forward, even if they need to do so in order to heal. Go with the simplest and most statistically likely scenario.
MS alone explains everything. People don't understand what that disease actually does to the brain.
She's in for a long wait if she's looking to see a psychiatrist in England outside of an inpatient setting...
Many People online will ask you to believe whatever will get them the most attention. There are plenty of Gen Zers who display their multiple personalities on tick toc. Thanks for being a rational voice Dr. Grande. Whatever is going on with her, I hope that she finds peace of mind
@11:17 “There is this temptation to join in with the crowd, to hold the same opinion as the majority “. How absolutely TRUE! Not just in this case but in so many every day cases.
If you go against a popular opinion, as I did recently on Facebook (this was regarding the current attempt to erode sex differences), people will attack you, not because they believe in what they are saying but because the popular opinion being circulated is considered the fashionable norm, and we should not dare diverge from this!
As Dr. Grande so rightly puts it, people should learn to think for themselves , “it doesn’t matter what the crowd is thinking about any particular situation….”, there is this awful pressure put on people “to think a certain way or risk being labeled as antisocial or insensitive”.
This mentality is indeed NONSENSICAL, DESTRUCTIVE and HAS NO PLACE IN a world of rational decision making!
Well said, Dr. Grande! Brilliant 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽‼️
Thank you Dr Grande. I feel bad for Marina, but if her parents aren’t concerned I don’t know what we can do.
stop feeling bad for trans looneys
Beautiful analysis; I liked how you preserved her dignity as is so often lacking on social media.
Or is he being nice to a pretty, young, white blonde girl?
This incident is the best argument for Occam’s Razor I’ve ever seen firsthand… this girl is acting a little weird in a video? No, it can’t be a mental health issue, it’s gotta be that she’s been kidnapped by her boyfriend and drugged and forced to make videos to lure people into human trafficking. Obviously!
(Also I remember watching the kidnapping hoax happen, I didn’t know she went full goddess mode 😭)
6.5 minutes in to the video and all of the lovely memories of mania have come flooding back for me. Aaah, nostalgia....
So, she was high.
so, she was a boy
Thank you for laying out this story. It's a looking glass into how being in the spotlight, for both right or wrong reasons, can lead to the delusion of self. Unfortunately, she is one of too many that fall victim to this. I'm not sure social media is a good place for people who haven't really explored who they are, and that social media is the best place to do it.
Social media influencers simply explained: I'm a dumbass but i have to show it you all.
Dr. Grounded. Always an informative watch. Thank you for your work.
Generally speaking I tend to distrust people who have such severe comb-overs
💀💀💀💀lmaooooo
He has such a calm voice, very good ASMR.
Here’s another clue for you all. The walrus was Marina. Try playing her videos backwards for more clues.
she was a boy
"...Sacred moon snowflake, princess of love" in your deadpan delivery was so funny.
So glad my generation didn’t have to endure such garbage
Just thinking the same thing. The Internet makes retards out of people
Lol people were just unable to record it and put it online. Every generation had it's own garbage.
I think the difference is just the availability of contact with many other strange people. Truly, I am 56 and there were always strange people doing strange things, but they just had less access. Sadly, when they find others like them and sprout foolishness, it can hurt others who believe them and follow their advice.
that doesn't mean we were any better, just look at 3 billions of you thinking you were deities living above the law as criminals with impunity
Wow you hit the nail on the head on just about everything wrong with people today with this one.
Great video 👍👍👍
It's a real stretch to blame cancel culture for this conspiracy theory--or for conspiracy theories in general. Nobody is getting cancelled for doubting that a beauty TH-camr is being held hostage.
Where you there watching it in real time? It was considered REALLY unacceptable to voice the opinion this was BS and she was fine. No one was canceled because no one doubted the situation (publicly) or spoke out against the mainstream opinion. Well, except keemstar but he's too hated to be canceled
If everyone is afraid to speak out against something for fear of being canceled, therfore not allowing in dissenting opinions and allowing everyone to become more delusional and feed into conspiracies then yes, I would say an argument can be made that cancel culture, is somewhat to blame for many things like this. Plus you have to think, if these people are so deranged to come up with crazy conspiracies like a finger means a person was directing her what to do, then its safe to assume that at least one of these crazies would probably dox you and send you threats because you gave an adverse opinion. Cancel culture at its finest, doesn't just apply to big things.
Yep. Agreed.
Yeah the cancel culture bit sounded a tad biased to me too.
The extreme level of SELF love now is quiet revolting.
good analysis per usual
Bravo! Another brilliant commentary!
Isn't Marina a place where you keep your boats and all the wasted money you spent on them to keep them there?
I take it you're unfamiliar with The Thunderbirds then.
Excellent video! Also Too many middle names is a legal nightmare.
What about the video her friend made about her after she went missing, about how she was using mushrooms or some type of psychedelic every single day for months…
If you told me she was on prescription crack I would believe it
6:26
Great delivery of that pause. You could definitely be a comedian with that dry humor.
We have (predictibley) entered an era when people will do anything just to to get money and attention. What was once nicely collected on the outskirts of traveling carnivals, a place where we could visit all of them in one visit, is now spread out all over the place making everyone work harder.
Love the skepticism and compassion. I always feel sad for what these folks turn to for hope in their lives. It feels good thinking people are happy in the afterlife. But, I'm afraid that sh*t leads to judgment and wars. Make as much love as you can in this life, for the sake of our survival.
Dr. Grande said there's no way to know for sure what happened with Marina Joyce. WHAT?! Marina developed schizophrenia in 2016. That's why she behaved in such an odd manner. She told the internet directly what happened. She finally admitted it 2 years after all the fanfair. Maybe there's no way to know for sure what happened if you don't believe her confession, I guess. However, I remember a creator on the platform who worked in a mental hospital at the time, saying that Marina was schizophrenic back in 2016 long before Marina herself acknowledged it. The creator said she specifically worked with schizophrenic patients on her floor of the hospital, and Marina's behavior was consistent with what she saw on a daily basis.
He’s gonna make bank somehow too I guess 🥲
Thanks again Dr.Ĝrande for a fascinating video as usual.
Poor cat she "saved". I hope someone saves the cat from her.
I mean...she didn't start having issues until she saved the cat. Maybe the cat is holding her hostage.
"shaved"
Yay for being one of the first to comment!!! Love your videos. Could u do a video on Jeffrey Marsh?
I saw "self-proclaimed deity" in the title and I thought you were doing a follow-up on Chris Chan
or another 3 billion females possibly
it's weird, but it actually sounded like one of the most sensitive and respectful analysis I've heard there for a while..
Not to diagnose her but Marina should have probably been screened for schizophrenia or a similar reality-impairing disorder years ago. It's really sad that her mother didn't think to get her help.
Being a TH-camr is in itself a bit of a reality-impairing disorder...
Maybe her mom was waiting to make money off of her...its likely she was raised to become this way and they were just waiting to see their bad work pay off.
@@raph3156 how awful I really hope not,
I had no idea who this person is but I love your analysis.