Why Dumbledore Is ALIVE and How Snape FAKED His Death - Harry Potter Theory
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- Hey everyone,
Welcome to another installment of Harry Potter Theory, in today’s video we’re going to be discussing Albus Dumbledore, Severus Snape, and the Half-Blood Prince. More specifically, I’m going to be discussing what I expect to be quite a CONTROVERSIAL theory- as it surrounds the iconic-albeit equally tragic- death of Hogwarts Headmaster Albus Dumbledore. Let’s set the scene with a passage from Chapter 27 - The Lightning Struck Tower:
“Snape said nothing, but walked forwards and pushed Malfoy roughly out of the way. The three Death Eaters fell back without a word. Even the werewolf seemed cowed.
Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face.
'Severus ... please ..."
Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore.
'Avada Kedavra!'
A jet of green light shot from the end of Snape's wand and hit Dumbledore squarely in the chest. Harry's scream of horror never left him; silent and unmoving, he was forced to watch as Dumbledore was blasted into the air: for a split second he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he fell slowly backwards, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight.”
The above passage of course refers to Dumbledore’s death at the hands of Severus Snape- a moment that shocked the wizarding world to its core. Dumbledore, in some ways, was a beacon of hope for the good guys- a powerful and wise old wizard that even Voldemort feared. But when he was struck with Snape’s avada kedavra, that all changed- and in that moment, Harry felt more helpless than ever.
Dumbledore’s death was a BIG DEAL- he was 115 years old, and had made a profound impact on the wizarding world over the course of his life. His death also raised a lot of questions- how could the WISE and POWERFUL Dumbledore be defeated in such an paltry manner? Surely if he had wanted to survive- he could have, right?
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I wonder how dumbledore manages to be alive and be in his portrait in the headmaster's office at once...
Honestly i read soo much fanfiction on that topic 😭🤚🏼
Hi you make really good detailed content thank you . I just have one quick question about your theory how Did dumbdore meet harry in book 7
o well he ded
It wasnt a green bolt but a blue bolt for Snape's Curse
I don't think you have to "loathe" someone to use an unforgivable curse, only to MEAN it.
Yeah it seems that was expressed a few times in that you must mean it.
Thats why I think the movie adaptation has a blue light as it was the killing curse but no hatred behind it
I don't think you have to dislike someone for the killing curse to go into effect. All you need is a desire to kill, whether that is with malice or not.
same thing i was thinking, and if he didnt meant it, he could've said avada kedavra without meaning it, and casted a nonverbal spell (to which he was an expert) to flare a green beam onto Dumbledore. All that said, even though I dont think Dumbledore would have left everything to chance if he was alive.
and u r right there!! absolutely right!
Good theory. Maybe Hagrid was in on the plan as well cause when Harry told him Snape killed Dumbledore, Hagrid was the only Order member to guess correctly, that Snape was trying maintain his cover with with the Death eaters as a spy, following Dumbledore's orders. Basically he was the only Order member who didn't assume Dumbledore was wrong to mistrust Snape, as if he knew what was really going on but couldn't say. We know that Hagrid being half giant can't get attacked by spells like the stunning charm for instance as we read in Order of the Phoenix so maybe someone using legilimens didn't work on Hagrid, either, meaning if he knew the truth about Snape, his memories wouldn't be at risk of someone like Voldemort finding out the truth.
Agreed. I also, believe that Hagrid was not as dim as he made out. If Dumbledore trusted Hagrid, he wouldn't have trusted someone who wasn't intelligent. Hagrid is my favourite character in the series.
Very interesting idea that. As for my favorite adult character EVEN before The Deathly Hallows was Snape. Many disliked/hated him before the 7th book and to this day some people still do. But I always liked and respected Snape.
Really Great theory 👍
Dumbledore does say he would trust Hagrid with his life 🤔
@@morrigankasa570 I can't honestly say ALWAYS (see what I did there) liked him. Because at times I felt he was a bit unnecessarily hostile. Otherwise, I genuinely do feel the same way.
One problem. In the book, Harry is under a full body lock spell which Dumbledore himself casts, his last spell. After his death, Harry is free to move and chase the death eaters. In that moment of knowing that he was free to move, Harry knew Dumbledore was dead as all of Dumbledores spells ended on his death. Nice theory though.
This is the most far fetched theory I've ever heard. But respect for making it a tiny bit plausible
Heh yup. Its a fun one but impossible.
Just having fun
@@HarryPotterTheory heh yes Im sure most of us enjoyed it. Well done
If Dumbledore had survived, he would have played a more active role in the war against Voldemort. He wouldn't let so many more people suffer. And if Snape and Dumbledore were able to make a remedy for the curse (hand), they would have, and Dumbledore would have had more time.
Besides, Dumbledore talks to Harry in Limbo and, if I recall correctly, admits being dead.
very important observation there.
However, what if he did? Maybe a lot more people would have suffered and died if Dumbledore "had actually been dead".
One more point: when Dumbledore died, Fidelius Charm for HQ of the Order of the Phoenix passed to the next level of keepers making everyone who had received the secret from Dumbledore secret keepers to replace him.
That was only Harry's subconscious talking to himself not actually Dumbledore.
@@realScottThomas yeah, harry asked if it was all in his head. so who knows
One thing you missed is that Dumbledore doesn't resurface after the event. Why would he have to stay hidden after Voldemort's death? In the final chapter (19 years later) there is no mention of his, or Snape's survival. He also appears in the afterlife to Harry after Voldemort's killing curse hits Harry! Nice theory though....
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It's a nice idea, but it's just too convoluted to be believable (yes, I said that about a fantasy book with wizards in it ;) ). If Rowling had wanted to have Dumbledore survive, it would have been far easier to write the scenario out to give him his exit. These are fun to come up with though, and amusing to hear.
I think what can add to this theory is that when Harry in the final book was in the forest, walking to his "death" to meet Voldemort, and he saw his parents, Sirus and Remus, he never saw Dumbledore. You can't say that the resurrection stone would only allow you to see relatives, because obviously Sirus and Remus are not blood relatives, and he saw them. For such an important role Dumbledore played in Harry's life, it would be reasonable to expect that he would to also show up I suppose.
I was thinking the same thing, why didn’t dumbledore appear ?
@@pulkit8213 My theroy is Dumbledore is not dead but placed in a timestop. You can see when Voldemort open his grave his body is stll intact even a full year after he died so something tells me he is not truly dead but in some kind of timestop. Snapes killing curse was also blue insteed of green.
It would've been so cool to see Dumbledore fighting in the battle of hogwards
That battle would've been over before it even started if Dumbledore had the opportunity to attend it
@@trysam6952 it was already over before even started, Tom was doomed
Interesting about the blue light from the curse... Fawkes could also have been a horcrux and maybe a piece of him lives on in the phoenix.
Who did Dumbledore kill in which to make a horcrux
I love the theory and the snape quote from the first lesson got my attention hard but I still believe Snape did use the killing curse as book states it but the movie shows a blue light so I think that's down to no hatred behind it more of a kindness like putting your pet down or pulling the plug you don't do it to be cruel
Something about Dumbeldore turning into a phoenix is wholesome
Someone finally saying the Theory I've had for years that Snape would not have been able to use the Killing curse to full extent. The only hole I've found in the Theory is that the Unbreakable Vows magic may have given Snape the ability to cast as he would have died had he not succeeded.
The vow only enforces "To the best of Snape's abilities." Hence if he created the pseudo-Killing Curse would be within those limits.
dumbledore is such a good actor, he waited inside his tomb for a long time to stop voldemort from stealing the elder wand, if only dumbledore wasnt asleep at the moment it happened!
Dumbledore grinning inside while Voldemort opens his grave for the Elder Wand knowing it's useless for him.
Cant believe no one ever figured out that snape was one of the good guys. He literally saved or at least helped harry in almost every movie
Murdering a beloved headmaster in cold blood would get people to turn on you.(Again no one apart from Dumbledore and Snape knew it was pre-mediated and that Dumbledore was dying anyway until harry saw the memories)
I also have a point here
For the forgivable curses to work the caster should have the real intent to hurt right
Snape had no REAL intention to kill .
Does this make sense?
You can want someone to die from mercy as well. Then there was the fall and how his body was there when Voldemort went to the wand. On the other side, the Phoenix never showed up when Dumbledore was in danger. Maybe he never was then.
As much as I'd love for Dumbledore to have been alive, I really don't think so. Throughout Snape memories of the half blood prince he was upset at the plan of killing Dumbledore, he didn't want to do it. I really don't think Snape would alter his memories to paint himself in that light, especially to Harry of all people. He killed Dumbledore not only to save Malfoy, but to also spare Dumbledore his horrible death at the hands of the curse. Though I do think the killing curse didn't actually kill him right away, the filmmakers went out of their way to make his curse a different color than the usual green. My theory on that is, his emotions and resentment toward the act of killing Dumbledore weakened the spell to wear his probably hurt Dumbledore, knocked him back, and either killed him a little slower or didn't kill him and the fall killed him instead
strongest thing to back this theory is that when harry was holding the resurrection stone dumbledore didn’t appear, so maybe he didn’t appear because he wasn’t dead 🤔
Even if by some unknown way Dumbledore did survive the death curse and falling from the tower he is deffinetly dead. The ring poisoned him and he already dying, Snape (if I remember correctly) even mentioned he was suprised he's still alive, the curse would've killed him in matter of days or weeks especialy since he no longer had Snape to brew him potions to keep him alive.
It he was alive, he wouldn't have left everything for Harry to do. Being a 17 year old boy hunting pieces of Voldemort's soul which can literally be anything. Then make him face the Dark Lord on his own. Also give the task of gaining Voldemort's trust to Snape with the big chance of being killed at the end.
I know theories are for debate but I don't think he survived. It was necessary for his plan to save the world from the dark forces. Also, he would die eventually because of the curse from the ring and the potion in the cave.
I just don't think Dumbledore would've left everything in Harry's and Snape's hands and go resting after all those years.
actually dumbledore destroyed one of the horcrux, so he didn't make harry do all the work.
Then Albus and Severus would be called the Loki of Harry Potter Universe !
We saw his body, multiple times over when he was "dead" and he even greeted harry in death. Hes dead as a doornail.
all the people on this comment section are so wholesome. when in doubt, turn to stories. (and this channel. so welldone )
Snape made a potion to stop death, which Dumbledore drank prior. Snape killed Dumbledore, but the potion put a stopper on death. Maybe the potion allows him to be dead for a certain amount of time.
In Snape's memory, Snape tells Dumbledore that he can at max postpone his death for one year bcz of the curse Dumbledore has (one of his hands in the movie starts changing color). Even if Dumbledore survived, he would've died soon after.
A portrait of Dumbledore arrived besides all other past headmaster and headmistresses in his office.
I like the theory and would love it to be true, but the fact that dumbledore has a portrait hanging in the headmaster's office says to me he is dead
If anyone's seen the film The Illusionist, Edward Norton's character uses a potion to allow the engaged love of his life to fake her death, He then frames her abusive fiance for the crime and they escape together. If you watch the clue montage at the end as the Inspector figures it out (but let's them get away), I'd believe this theory. :)
I feel like his death is the beginning of one of those cultivating rebirth manga plots. Rebirth of the greatest wizard , if they ever make new hp series it should follow the life if albus experiencing rebirth thru his Phoenix powers
We do know that Dumbledore died as he fell from the sky. Dumbledore would have made a crater in the ground or he would have been a bloody mess. That's what really happens when you fall and land from very high up.
Since that book focused so much on nonverbal spells, could Snape cast one spell but speak another?
Yes
Ok here's my take , Dumbledore is dead otherwise there wouldn't be a portrait of him in the headmaster office now here's the catch to snape. He was a headmaster also but no portrait ever appeared after his death that was ever mentioned. Snape was the bravest of all I think except maybe for dumbledore. So since he worked for good even as headmaster the school would have noticed and created a portrait. So I don't think snape actually died because there's no mention of a funeral or his body being gotten from where he was killed. And after what Harry learned that snape was basically a adopted dad watching over him for so many years. I didn't say a good one lol. But Harry would have set the record straight to the wizarding community before naming his son severus.
This is quite the most interesting theory! Although I felt sad for Snape if this theory is true as he is the one who met his end at the wand
Wait what?
@@carlosmpsenyorcapitacollon6977 Snape was killed with the elder wand, the wand that Dumbledore had and Voldemort later grabbed from his tomb
@@pepijnbroekhoven1149 No he wasn't. He was killed by nagini.
After Palpatine returned in STAR WARS Episode 9 I've learned to 'Never say "never" .' But Hollywood has exercised such puerile and all-too-obvious ways of negating wonderful old storylines via unbelievable/audience distrspecting revisionist storytelling measures-for-a-fast-buck that It's hard to care any more.
Actually thought that you'd bring up the blue Phoenix in the funeral pyre as the way he would survive, return.
Voldemort laters visits Dumledore's grave, open it, sees him inside, and takes the Elder wand. SO how would u explain that scene!!
I would have thought that since you have to MEAN a forgivable curse, the killing curse did not “kill” Dumbledore because Snape did not mean it. Because Snape did not mean it, Dumbledore was in a comatose state for an extended period of time.
I like your theory, but there are some loopholes. Voledmort goes and defikes his grave to get the Elder wand. He sees the corpse of Dumbledore. Don't get me wrong, no one would be more happy to see Dumbledore alive than me, yet, I think Dumbledore would have rather died than fake his own death like Pettigrew. He was brave and as he himself beautifully put, "To a well-organized mind, Death is but the next best adventure".
Can we also keep in mind that Snape took on the unbreakable vow to protect Draco as he and Albus knew that Voldemort had to put order to kill Albus on to Draco as a form of punishment to the Malfoy family. Furthermore, Albus also order Snape to kill him to protect Draco from going down the dark path her would have if he had the gull to pull the trigger himself. Because Albus was already dying due to the curse from the ring horcrux and his insistency to have Snape be the one to kill him to save Draco from a dark future, one might assume that he was ready to die and wanted to die. Would it be cool if some form of Albus lived on like Voldemort's did? Sure! However, Voldemort lived on because of his horcruxes which were created by him killing innocents. (Something Albus would never do). Overall, interesting theory, but no enough information to back it up.
Fawkes is dumbys horcrux.
What about Harry talking to Dumbledore after the part of Voledemort was destroyed inside of him? Not to be rude I just genuinely love thinking about these things
There is a potion to make you look dead, potion of living dead, and it was easy enough that student were tought about it in potion class
Sir the theory is amazing but one thing, how did Dumbledore's potrait appear on headmaster's room if he wasn't dead..?
Hes a wizard.
This theory makes no sense. The memories in the pensieve show that snape was concerned with the state of his soul which he even mentions to dumbledore explicitly in the books. He was worried about what would happen to it when he had to kill dumbledore. They would never have had this dialogue if snape didn’t need to actually kill dumbledore. Im all for fan theories, but this was a poor one. Clutching at too many straws here
I watched yesterday one weird HP theories video, where Ron = Dumbledore. I remembered this video, and thought what if DD used Polyjuice Potion and swapped roles with Ron.
Roonil Wazlib is a music band. Music is eternal. Phoenix lives forever. So, Ron is Dumbledore's alter ego.
Okay, how then Harry got the Elder Wand's power? Dumbledore swapped wands with Hermione and transformed them to look vice versa. Harry tries to disarm Hermione (testing if it still works after sustaining damage) and thus wins the power, because Hermione has the Elder Wand.
Okay run out of imagination there.
Plot twist: it wasn't Albus Dumbledore who died on the tower, it was "aUreLiUs dUmBlEdOrE" aka Credence Barebone, who simply drank some Polyjuice potion. The real Dumbledore is actually across the globe robbing banks with Newt Scamander using their army of Nifflers.
The title should be. "We want Dumbledore to be alive; Here's how we think Snape could've faked his death"
Why would Dumbledore take in consideration that hundreds, maybe thousands of people die just so that he could sneak away? That doesn't seem to be his nature, even tho that he has a "greater goal", which is killing Voldemort. After the "faked death" only his portrait takes action in helping the golden trio in finding horcruxes in order to kill Voldemort... I have high doubts that Dumbledore would just go poof and leave the British wizarding community like that... there are a few other holes in this theory tho
I always thought it was weird that Dumbledore was lifted into the air when you usually die on the spot with killing curse, I used to think it was levicorpus used in his mind but the words said from his mouth were different and that Dumbledore didn't really die, especially when it seems easy to convince people you're dead like Harry did... very interesting video!
Your interpretation was such a long shot even J.K Rowlings tweets are jealous
I kind of wondering what's the significant of the Portrait especially Dumbledore portrait in the headmasters office. Is that his soul or a carbon copy that has most of Dumbledore's personality because he did give Snape advice when he became the Headmaster
the honest truth is dumbledore as smart and great as he was, was not defeated by snape but by himself! when dumbledore saw the resurrection stone which he wanted more than any other deathly hallow, he cursed himself by completely forgetting the item itself was cursed and putting the ring on, it's a very overlooked but very important detail overlooked by the movies which i have always believed (not that it matters what i think) dumbledore not only knew he had to die but indeed was so miserable due to his decision as a younger man that he wanted to die. just my thoughts!!
It might be , as Harry doesn’t see him with the resurrection stone.
in the half blood prince in the last minutes we see fawkes
I mean, honestly if he survived he would’ve been in the epilogue. There’s no reason why he would’ve survived and then continue to remain hidden after Voldemort’s defeat.
I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility, especially in the wizarding world, but at the same time, I don't think it is possible. Dumbledore had his time to shine, he was cursed by the horecrux, and it was planned for some time.
Except his body is in the casket with his wand and is also in the afterlife when harry dies
If dumbledore was alive he wouldnt have left his wand with his body as he had no idea harry would get ownership later on
Personally, I like this theory and I will likely utilize it when the time comes that I'm actually able to watch these movies someday.
I was thinking of this too, I think Dumbledore used Geminio to clone himself then use his Disillusionment Charm, which is too powerful that hes competely invisible.
Dumbledore is dead bc Dumbledore first wanted to die bc he was old second he wanted Snape to kill him bc he knows Snape will not torcher him and 3 to clear Malfoys sole so he can be free from the death eaters
This is an incredible theory and I say it mainly to the point of the use of the spell Avada Kedavra and not Snape making his own spell. U have to have real intent to use a curse like that especially on someone you love. If Harry didn't have enough evil intent to perform the cruciatus curse on Bellatrix then I can see Avada Kedavra failing Snape trying to kill Dumbledore
What about the conversation between Harry and Dumbledore at kings cross? It was assumed they were in the after life.
Unfortunately not. Harry sees Dumbledore at Kings cross when he goes to Voldemort to die in order to save everyone. Dumbledore couldn’t have been there to talk to him if he were alive. Furthermore, Voldemort looted the elder wand from Dumbledores tomb. You would think he might have noticed that there wasn’t a body.
Hold on a sec… if wand transference can happen by disarming, why did Voldemort kill snape if draco was the one to disarm Dumbledore? I’ve had this conversation before with people but I always thought that the elder wand was the exception, as you had to kill the owner to be able to use it properly.
Don’t know if this ruins the theory but “he who must not be named” got the elder wand from dumbledores cold buried corpse ?
Or, you know. He really died.
I love Dumbledore as much as the most devoted fan, but let's not disrespect the legacy of this amazing character. J.K Rowling always meant for him to die. Every negative event that he had inadvertently caused, he had redeemed himself working through the shadows to make sure that Voldemort would lose.
I normally love all of your theories, but this subject deserves to be left alone. Let the most beloved Wizard of his time rest. We will see other incarnations of his in the Fantastic Beast films, that is good enough for me due to the fact that his life was bookended by such a beautiful ending.
Also, I heard another theory before that I just want to debunk quickly. The theory being that Dumbledore never really died, because he hadn't appeared to Harry in the Forbidden Forest when Harry called forth his loved ones to give his courage to face death when he was in possession of the Resurrection Stone. Even Lupin had appeared, and he had just faced his own peril moments before Harry had called them to him. Furthermore, people believe that Dumbledore had used Legilimency to place the scene of he and Harry in Kings Cross to further advise Harry on what to do from that point forward.
The reason Dumbledore hadn't appeared in the Forbidden Forest, was because he was waiting in Limbo for Harry. Dumbledore already set a plan in motion that would cause Harry to die, so instead of moving on to the afterlife immediately, he had decided to wait for Harry so he can fully explain himself for his actions and decisions. At which point, Harry fully realizes the character and type of man Dumbledore is. A man who had died with a lifetime of guilt and regrets, it was the first time that Dumbledore had spoken to Harry as an equal, and no longer a student. Because of the courage and feats that Harry had accomplished to even meet Dumbledore in Limbo, in Dumbledore's mind, Harry was the better man. Which is why Dumbledore was speaking to Harry so vulnerable, almost like a child seeking reassurance from their elders. At that point, Dumbledore had viewed Harry as the greatest wizard who had lived up to that point. Harry had accomplished what even he could not, Harry had the courage to willfully face death if it meant the safety of his friends and family. In that moment, Harry was teacher, while Dumbledore was seeking Harry's confidence.
And I'm sorry, I'm a huge Harry Potter fan. I was a fan since I was 6 years old and read each of the books at least twice a year, while the audiobooks are of the most played audiobooks on my audible account. And seeing theories like this that dont recognize the beauty of Dumbledores story and refuse to let the mans legacy lie, it troubles me.
So I'm sorry, HPT, this is the first dislike I've ever had to do on your channel. Still a fan of your channel, but I just have to do it.
You are wirdo
Why are people trying to make him be alive? I just don't get it.
It’s just a Theory you didn’t have to go that deep lol
Always wanted to believe this, thank you for giving me a reason
Hope my explanation meshes with you!
Would be weird to have him fake his death if he was already dying..
@@cmptrtube the curse only affected him because he wanted to convince Snape to kill him, he put on the ring just so that Snape wouldn't hesitate in killing him because he was already dying. There is no way Dumbledore did not know more things about the dark arts than Snape ( he was best friends with Grindy for crying out loud) plus he had the elder wand. Dumbledore could've cured that curse if he wanted to, 100%
@@kalocaploc124 i know all that, I meant fake fake, like he didnt die in the fall.
What about Harry meeting Dumbledore at Kings Cross? To me that’s the clearest evidence that Dumbledore was dead.
According do JK. He is dead. Unless she starts pulling up her multidverse card and pull Dumbledore from another parallel universe using a form of Time turner.
Didn’t Dumbledore tell Harry that it’s all happening in his mind?
@@ludwigvanbeethoven4093 It doesn't mean that it isn't real. The mind is the one that creates reality. Without the mind, nothing can be experienced.
@@MrWhiteLioness Anything is possible with magic.
@@barbiquearea Absolutely, beloved
Multiple problems here. First, Dumbledore was weak from drinking that poison. He kept getting weaker as the Death Eaters were standing there watching him slump to the floor. Second, Snape couldn't have slipped him anything to keep him alive because he didn't know there was going to be an attack on the castle that night; remember, Hermione and Flickwick and someone else went to wake him up to help them fight. Third, Dumbledore was talking with Snape via the portrait in the headmaster's office multiple times after he was killed; the only way those portraits work is the recipient's have to be deceased. And finally, as someone else previously said, Voldemort unearthed Dumbledore's body to get the elder wand. Only in the movie do we see Dumbledore's body whole, as I don't believe they mentioned what his body was like when Voldemort took the wand. Too many plotholes in the belief of Dumbledore still being alive.
My thoughts exactly. Plus Snape took the unbreakable vow, that he's gonna kill Dumbledore, if Mayfol can't do it. If they would only fake his death, Snape should have died.
I hate Dumbledore is dead, and it was really hurtfull to read that chapter, but it doesn"t change the facts.
@annonymous Well in the unbreakable vow there was never mentioned the death of Dumbledore. He just had to save Draco, which he did by letting Voldemort believe Dumbledore is death. So that's no problem...
The bigger problem is: what would Dumbledore do after his faked death? Of course, while Voldemort is alive he shouldn't show up and could habe helped in other ways, but afterwards? No one has ever seen him since... and this seems very unusual for him.
I think everyone is forgetting something very important. A fall from that height would have liquefied the body. All manner of blood and guts would have been sprayed over a 10 yard area. We are all just bags of water and when we crash into the ground at high speed...we explode. They never give gravity and inertia their total destructive power in movies.
@@ShipPhx99 It is very possible that it the gravity around the towers at Hogwarts could be effected by the enchantments. After all flying was a big part of being a witch or wizard even in the founding. There were enchantments to hide the school from muggles and to prevent teleportation on the grounds from students. It would not be a stretch to assume that there are also enchantments to slow down falls.
@@ShipPhx99 I wouldn't have known that, and I doubt it's something Rowling ever researched... which is interesting since that's what she was best at. Then again, maybe she knew but dismissed it, otherwise it would have thrown off a major plot point in Deathly Hallows. Just thinking about that is why I'm scared of heights. lol
I would say even, even IF Snape was faking Dumbledore's death and Dumbledore eskaped in his animagus form, he would still sooner or later have died by the curse from the horcrux.
Plus someone would have notised a phoenix flying from the tower.
Which makes me wonder if he could have died in his phoenix form, burst into flames and be reborn like Fawkes. I don't know what the limitations for animagus are but if that's possible, then Dumbledore can effectively be immortal so long as he dies every time in his phoenix form. For all we know he may still be alive, just no longer an old man.
Well there was no cure for the curse. But Dumbledore cutting off his hand might have stopped it
Dumbledore was literally the smartest Wizard of all Time.
He could be invisible too I think.
Remember Mirror of Eriseld in first part.
We can't say anything only JK Rowling could
But I believe that Dumbledore and Snape are both alive.
@@Inquisitor-Beals always wonderd why he didn't
Technically "faulkes" did fly from the tower at the funeral... the "body" left behind could have been a simulacarum. Though I agree, there was no reason to fake his death and not show up for the battle of hogwarts. As for Dumbledore showing up in Harry's mind occulemancy would explain that.
I would like to have professor Snape still alive. Being around The large snake, I would think Snape would have had an antidote for her bite.
He would have bled out.
@@mEmory______ yeah but being snape he would probably have thougt of some kind of spell or perhaps another potion to stop the bleeding
Yeah but the actors dead
It's only a flesh wound
I remember something like that being on an animation channel. Might’ve been HISHE actually.
What about the body in the tomb? Then there is his picture in the office with the other headmasters. Plus the message in the pensive where Dumbledore tells Snape to kill him so that Draco does not have to live with the guilt. Just some thoughts.
We know that Dumbledore's patronis is a phoenix. I presume his anamagus form is the same. This makes me wonder if it was possible for him to remain as a phoenix until the Gaunt ring curse kills him and he is reborn immediately? For all we know Dumbledore could still be alive, only now he is no longer an old man.
I really like this theory, it could well have been that be stayed in his Phoenix form too long and he was reborn as a young man
What a great theory
Because that's not how it works. Yes if his Animagus was a Phoenix he could take the form. But he wouldn't have the magical tears and everything else Faux has. Why? Because he's actually human
@@andrewjay7962 I never read the books, only watched the movies, so please correct me if I’m wrong in this counter-point:
In the movies, Peter Petigrew, when revealed, has rat-like physical qualities, correct? So, wouldn’t it make sense that if you stayed in your Animagus form long enough, you begin to slowly but magically adopt the qualities of the animal you take form of?
@@JGirDesu Peter was a rat animagus which isn't a magical creature, but if Dumbledore is a phoenix animagus, it is impossible for him to be immortal because he is still a human.
Voldemort opened his grave like a year after to get the wand and there lay his body. Though this theory is a fun Theory sadly Dumbledore is dead
A perfectly preserved body 🧐
@@HarryPotterTheory Yes. Muggles embalm their corpses and that works pretty well. We can only imagine that the same process with magic is way more effective.
Voldemort made an unboxing video out of his grave lmao
How can we say it's Dumbledore.
We Muggles can make wax statues.
Those Magic folks can do better.
Dumbledore knows that Tom isn't that careful with details.. Certainly he could have created a convincing replica of his own body.. Tom was too busy being hideously gleeful at stealing the ring to take note whether Dumbledore's body was real or not.
Nah. Dumbledore is dead. He hadn't planned to die when he did and was caught off guard. Decent theory, but far too contrived. Dumbledore died and Snape killed him.
I thought this was going in a different direction. Picture this: Snape was such a master of Legilimency, that he was able to essentially trick everybody into thinking they heard Avada Kedavra, or conversely, he was thinking a different spell in his head entirely, and that focus was more powerful than the words he was uttering. He mind-stoned them.
I thought the same thing after I read Half Blood Prince when it was first released. As the DADA teacher that year, Snape taught the students how to cast spells non-verbally. I swore at the time that JK used this ploy as a hint that Snape faked Dumbledore’s murder by saying one thing and meaning another. This was further supported by the fact that Dumbledore was “blown off” the tower, because the killing curse is supposed to make the target just drop dead on the spot. It would have been a build up to the perfect plot twist.
Snape didn’t really WANT to kill dumbledore so the spell probably didn’t work as usual
So Cedric wasn't hit by a killing curse either? He was thrown into the air and flipped a few times.
@@karlrovey in the movie he was thrown in the air, but in the book, it just says “he [Harry] heard something heavy fall to the ground beside him….Cedric was lying spread-eagled on the ground beside him. He was dead.” (GOF page 638 scholastic version). In the book version for Cedric and Dumbledore’s death, Dumbledore was blown away but Cedric wasn’t. So Cedric definitely died. But with Dumbledore, it’s possible he didn’t according to this theory.
@@laserbeam1787 the spider just dropped as well.
But if this is the case then the truth should have came out from Snape's tears
I see a lot of people commenting on the fact that Voldemort took the Elder Wand from Dumbledore’s grave. Dumbledore was an amazing wizard when it comes to Transfiguration. Who’s to say he didn’t transfigure something into a likeness of his (decomposing) body for the funeral and whenever Voldemort went for the wand. At least, that’s the first thing that came to mind when listening to this theory. But I personally just like to believe that Dumbledore is gone. It makes everything more impactful. Because what was he doing during the entirety of DH? Just twiddling his thumbs hoping Harry followed his master plan exactly as he knew it would happen? It just diminishes Dumbledore’s character if he faked his own death and is just sitting in the shadows watching everything and everyone crumble around him.
this doesn't explain how Harry was able to meet Dumbledore in "limbo" when he got "killed" by Voldemort in the Forbidden Forest.
@@JuanMataCFC Dumbledore was one of the most powerful wizards to ever live. There is no saying that he couldn't find a way to enter in and out of limbo.
If this theory is correct, I believe that Dumbledore was actually well engrained in all of the actions in the story, just disguised as someone else. Perhaps he was using polyjuice potion or remained out of site of anyone that didn't know he was still alive. We see in the 5th book that Dumbledore is capable of keeping things hidden from Harry and still remain effective in the movement. I do think it is possible that only Snape and perhaps someone like Hagrid were aware that he was still living so he could do brunt work with no eyes on him. I also think he would have stayed hidden (at least from Harry) in order to keep Harry on the path that he had set him on from his 1st year of school. If Dumbledore had come back, everyone would have despised him for allowing Harry to die. Dumbledore would have been capable of defeating Voldemort in a duel, but Harry needed to be "killed" by Voldemort in order for Voldemort to truly die. Dumbledore also would have been blamed for all the death that occurred because he had not helped, not to mention that Dumbledore did not appear to Harry when he was holding the resurrection stone. I think that Dumbledore would have appeared over Remus in this situation if he was really dead.
@@bradynzula607 firstly, even if Dumbledore was somehow still alive, Snape wouldn't be one of the people who knew about it. in the Prince's Tale, we see Snape talking to Dumbledore's portrait (about telling Voldemort the correct date the Order would move Harry out, and about taking the sword to the Forest of Dean). why wouldn't he just be talking to the real Dumbledore instead of a measly portrait?
secondly, the reason Dumbledore didn't appear to Harry when he used the Resurrection Stone is because after Harry saw Snape's memories (specifically, the part about Harry needing to die in order for Voldemort to be defeated), he kinda felt "used" by Dumbledore. he thought he was just another one of Dumbledore's pawns in the quest for "the greater good". not to mention that throughout that year (especially when he read about his friendship with Grindelwald in Rita Skeeter's book) he kept thinking that Dumbledore was hiding a lot more from him than he thought (which was true, but tbf it was in Harry's best interest to not know those things).
@@bradynzula607 not only that but he had the stone
I believe Snape killed Dumbledore. In that moment before casting the Killing Curse, he hated Dumbledore for making him do it. He hated Dumbledore did not worry about the effects on Snape’s soul, only Draco’s soul. He hated how Lily’s son was being raised & protected, simply to “die at the right moment”.
Rowling describes the look on Snape’s face. I think a lot of people could hate if they were put in Snape’s position. It doesn’t mean he has always hated Dumbledore. Snape would also be very hurt by what Dumbledore wants him to do.
I can hate someone and still want them alive. The books are from Harry's POV, maybe he's just misjudging Snape's facial expression, it's said that all the time he looks at a Slytherin, especially Snape, he sees them as ugly and angry. The curse worked because he knew that it would be worth it in the long run, and because Dumbledore himself wanted to be put out of his misery. He may have felt betrayed, but definitely not enough to have the curse work by pure hate
HPT: Dumbledore is alive.
Me: I'm listeninggggg
or, and follow me on this, snape made a version that seeks out and destroys any horcruxes connected to the target (for example: if Voldemort was struck by this version, Nagini and all other horcruxes would be instantly (killed/destroyed.) and it is clearly within a theoretical margin that in his early pursuit of power, Dumbledore (guilty for the death of his sister) creates a horcrux in the form of his pet phoenix, hence their symbiotic relationship. Under this theory, the part of Dumbledore that Harry met when he was killed was actually the part of Dumbledore that was within the phoenix. The actual Dumbledore created a fake body and left to ensure his missions final variables during Deathly Hallows
*One thing you forgot that was glaringly obvious lol:*
*Dumbledore met Harry in limbo. He had to have died*
But Harry meets Dumbledore in limbo. Maybe he survived that night everyone thought he died, but the curse on his hand eventually got him at some point during the Deathly Hallows.
Dumbledore knew legitimacy,sooo
Legilimency could even explain Dumbledore's conversation with Harry on "the other side". He entered Harry's mind while Harry was unconscious. Would Harry have known what was going on or how to proceed next without Dumbledore's guidance? Plus, if Harry were truly able to interact with deceased loved ones in that moment, you'd think his parents would've jumped at the chance to be there with him.
Maybe Dumbledore somehow absorbed the soul fragment contained within Voldemort's cursed ring? Just as Voldemort had to be the one to "kill" Harry because Harry was an unintended horcrux, Snape, for whatever reason, had to be the one to "kill" Dumbledore after he, himself, became an unintended horcrux? What if Dumbledore had survived the killing curse the exact same way Harry did? 🤔 Suddenly, the possibilities are endless! This theory alone could pave the way for an entire new book series!
Impressive as I think ur theory is!! I still think it has loopholes!! but since thought of dumbledore's return comforts me I have to agree with u
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Thanks for the first part of your comment! I was wondering about that scene in particular
Apart from all these theories, Dumbledore at the time of his death technically was in the possession of the resurrection stone still.
It’s been a while since I read it but I do remember reading the half blood prince when it came out and thinking dumbledore faked his death just from the funeral end, I clearly remember a phoenix flying out from dumbledores grave and immediately thought that dumbledore was an animagus
When was this?
@@Nikstar112
At Dumbledore's funeral near the end of the Half-blood Prince, as the poster just said. 😆
At the end of the movie you can also see a phoenix flying away but i think everyone assumes its foxe
What you missed, is the fact that snake didn’t want to kill Dumbledore he simply carried out the plan that he, and the headmaster had set up ahead of time. The death eaters of course didn’t know that. There were two purposes to the plan that they had set up. One was to spare Draco‘s soul, the other was two make it so that the dark Lord would completely trust Snape.
I think the biggest issue with this theory is that Snape and Dumbledore don’t plan the attack to happen there and that night. Dumbledore is surprised that Draco got death eaters into the castle. So Snape would have had to think of the fake spell very quickly and on the fly.
Dumbledore acts surprised... Snape knew what was going on the whole time. Just because in the book and movie we didn't see or read about Draco telling Snape the plan, doesn't mean Snape wasn't part of the plan... yes, Snape killing Dumbledore made voldemort trust him a hell of a lot more, but he was already trusted with the unbreakable vow between him and Draco in the beginning. Snape told Dumbledore the plan for sure. Thats why Dumbledore and Harry went to get the horcrux that same night. Snape appeared in the tower after all the death eaters came into the tower and shushes Harry down below. The plan was already set in stone. They even show in DH from Snape memory Dumbledore telling Snape how the plan is to go down and that voldemort is sending Draco to kill him.
he could have figured this out before you know with all that killing planing
Well, since you mentioned “something glaringly obvious” that you missed… Dumbledore’s body was in his tomb when Voldemort recovered the Elder Wand and when Harry returned it at the end of Deathly Hallows (book, not movie).
Also, Dumbledore talks to Harry in the afterlife, but that could simply be dismissed as an hallucination.
Dumbledore tells him it's all in his head and not the afterlife... little voldemort we saw and read was the dead horcrux/life of voldemort dying inside of Harry. Voldemort took out his own horcrux without knowing. The resurrection stone actually wasn't needed either. It was a "just in case" the spell actually took out Harry and the horcrux and not just the horcrux.
Dumbledore being alive is a VERY far stretch especially due to the curse he got from the ring which he confirmed would have killed him within a year and the fact he was still dead in his tomb when Voldemort came for the elder wand
Unless he had planned that Voldemort to take his wand
Voldemort breaks into Dumbledore's tumb to take his wand. Wouldn't he notice if there was no body in there?
Well, if he really survived the spell, he definitely would've died from the curse. Because he met Harry in the Afterlife.
Or as another theory goes, Dumbledore is Death incarnate and therefore is immortal unless killed by his own weapon. But then Snape wouldn't have needed to fake Dumbledore's supposed death.
I guess we'll never know. Unless JK Rowling makes a comment about that
Remember Voldemort's line "You have to mean it, Harry.”
WHAT IF SNAPE DIDN'T MEAN IT WHEN HE SAID IT and THAT'S why it fails...
6:00 HEY!!!
The main problem with this theory is the following (Deathly Hallows Chapter 24):
„And he walked on, around the edge of the lake, taking in the outlines of the beloved castle, his first kingdom, his birthright....
And here it was, beside the lake, reflected in the dark waters. The white marble tomb, an unnecessary blot on the familiar landscape. He felt again that rush of controlled euphoria, that heady sense of purpose in destruction. He raised the old yew wand: How fitting that this would be its last great act.
The tomb split open from head to foot. The shrouded figure was as long as thin as it had been in life. He raised the wand again.
The wrappings fell open. The face was translucent, pale, sunken, yet almost perfectly preserved. They had left his spectacles on the crooked nose: He felt amused derision. Dumbledore's hands were folded upon his chest, and there it lay, clutched beneath them, buried with him.
Had the old fool imagined that marble or death would protect the wand? Had he thought that the Dark Lord would be scared to violate his tomb? The spiderlike hand swooped and pulled the wand from Dumbledore's grasp, and as he took it, a shower of sparks flew from its tip, sparkling over the corpse of its last owner, ready to serve a new master at last.“
So either they transfigured something into Dumbledores corpse and put it into the grave or there is Dumbledore actually lying in his grave when Voldemort steals the Elder Wand.
Could you IMAGINE:
In fantastic beasts we discover that albus really is an animagus. And then they somehow confirm this theory????
Dumbledore's pleading is most logically read to urge Snape to carry on with the brutal act. He certainly thought that Snape would kill him. There were reasons for Dumbledore to keep secrets from Snape as Voldemort could read him. There were no reasons for Snape to keep surprises from Dumbledore.
If dumbledore would have survived and gone by the theory that he was an animagas and his animagas form was the Phoenix. All he would have had to do was transform into a Phoenix just out
Of view of the people ln the castle tower and then fly off. And Dumbledore laying motionless in his grave he he could have used sleeping drought. Same potion that's used in sleeping beauty and snow white. It is an interesting theory. Because the only limitations to the imagination are the restrictions that you put on it yourself.